On this episode of the BobbyCast, Cristian artist Chris Tomlin returns! Chris talks about the release of his new song "The First Hymn" which is actually 1,800 years old. Plus, Bobby gets his thoughts on Judas, asks him how he reacts when people curse around him, how he recently wrote his favorite lyric ever, and much more!
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You know, sometimes we think heaven looks like America or
something like that.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Maybe it's like.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
It looks nothing like that. This was a Tuesday in
the world. Is every kind of person's lined up just
to stand there and just to kiss the stone where Jesus.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
Late episode five oh seven, Chris Tomlin returns one of
my favorite people in Nashville. Is just the best of
a genuine affinity for Chris, and hopefully you can tell
during this interview at Chris Tomlin is his Instagram if
you want to follow him, and we do talk about everything,
including the music he's putting out or now has put out,
(00:43):
and even the oldest song ever written.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Yeah. I think that's the wildest part.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
Yeah, it's like eighteen hundred years old.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Yeah. Yeah. Did you feel like my Bob Dylan reference.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Minimized it because he's talking about it, so you'll hear
a song that was written basically on a tablet. Yeah,
I think it's a good co and the Christian War
and I'm like, well, Bob Dylan wagon Will says.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Like, no, this song is eighteen hundred years old. Yeah,
so uh yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
I love Chris and his good Friday Nashville shows are
the best we went last year. He's got worship under
the Stars, which we talk about here. He is, which,
by the way, Chris Tomlin is tied with Taylor Swift
as the number two ranking of artists headlining Bridgestone. I
think McGraw has the number one spot. But also Chris
Tomlin's like one of the biggest touring artists in the world.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Isn't that crazy?
Speaker 3 (01:32):
It is wild because a lot of artists big in America,
not that big everywhere else. Chris Tomlin big in America,
big other places too, because the music, just Christian music
is for Christians everywhere. National man, Chris Tomlin. Here he returned.
I'm not going to read the should read the princes, No,
I should read Okay, okay. Chris Tomlin returns, episode five
(01:54):
o seven. Chris, good to see you again, man, great
to see you. Last time I saw you, I was
you know, you're one of the few people that I
wouldn't feel awkward this happening, and I did, And I
want to say this to begin with, I didn't feel award,
but my wife and I were sitting and I always
feel we're approaching a sitting table that's eating and luckily
(02:16):
we know you and you came up and we were
sitting at Urban Market. Yeah, and I was like, you
know what, one of the maybe three people that wouldn't
be awkward as we're sitting and they came and dominated
us because you're standing, You're dominating, You're over the top.
You're like, hey, how's it going, And we're looking up
at you and I'm so dominant.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
We're like, oh my goodness, this is so dominating. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
That's the last I saw you there. And we went
to your Easter show last year.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
Thank you for coming. That's I think that's our two
run ends in the past few months.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
But social media is so weird though, because I feel like,
even though I'm not, I kind of feel like I'm
still keeping up, you know, I see I'm like, yeah,
I know, chriss up to me. Of course, I was
thinking about yesterday because my in laws we're talking about
Easter and they are either going to come here to
do the show or we're going to go there to
(03:06):
Oklahoma and do something there. But the selling point was,
I know, Chris Amlin.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Was I'm just letting you know. The selling point was,
let's go the show's all And I know Chris.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
So Chris, and we'll we'll hang it. So if we win,
that's why. But if we lose, that's why it wasn't
quite strong enough.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
I like it, bro. I can't wait to see which
way goes. How you been I did good man great?
Speaker 3 (03:32):
I was looking through and I rarely will just address
the notes that I have just right off the bat,
but I just need help a little bit, okay, because sorry, no,
You're just you're killing it and it's so much I
just need I'm gonna ask questions in ways that I
don't understand about things because you're so involved in so
many really cool projects that I just need to know
(03:55):
the capacities are involved. Yeah, okay, So first House of David, Yes, okay,
so we're just talking about.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
That before you come in. Yeah yeah, okay.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
So, uh one of your songs I know it is
in the soundtrack, yeah, which is After your Heart, After
Your Heart.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
Yeah, that's all I'm involved. Okay, well, not all that
is involved. That's how I'm involved.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Okay. Yes, As approached to that in the last fall and.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
Said, hey, they're coming out with this, and I was
so excited anything about David. I mean, I could go
on and on, but I was like, are you kidding me?
This is going to be I hope they do this
well because it's going to be what insane, what an
incredible story. So yeah, man, that was I was involved,
and I was as I as I normally am in
the middle of the night. It's one of the when
(04:37):
when the ideas came, and I just I had this idea,
and I think it's one of my favorite lyrics I've
ever written. And it was the first line of the song,
and I went, I got up in the mill of
night and sing it into my phone, and it just
and it said this.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
It says, h I.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
Got a sling in one hand, I gotta I gotta
harp harp in one hand, and a sling and a
sling in the other for the battles I fight, I
fight with these. And I thought, that's that's David. And
and so I wrote this song after you. It's called
after your Heart. The Bible says David was a man
after God's own heart. And so I wrote this little
idea of of all his ups and downs, his triumphs
(05:16):
and his failures and and so that was my favorite,
one of my favorite things I've.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Gotten to wright.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
Did they approach you about doing a song for it first?
And then that came as you had it on your mind?
Or is it the Yeah, it was we're making this
House of David? Do you do you have a song
about David?
Speaker 1 (05:33):
And I was like, I don't, but I've never a
song about him, But I would like the challenge.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
I guess to me, it would go in my mind,
I would go, well, which version, like which part of
the David story? Right as like the King the powerful
or David as you talk about the slang like there's
difference like Michael Jordan, do you talk about his early
years with the Bulls? Do you do when he won
three and three? Do the Wizards?
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Yes? So that to me, that would be what I
would think about. How, yeah, if I were going to
do a song about David, it's a big story. Did
they give you a parted like we want?
Speaker 1 (06:08):
And they gave zero because at that point they didn't
have a lot of guides. They're like, oh, we don't
have a lot of guides. Just kind of write something.
And you know they said, Psalm forty's taken, Psalm twenty
three is taken, and uh, which is I figured? But
like write something from just anything you think about. So
that idea of of David being, you know, the the
(06:33):
worship leader of the Bible, right, he wrote the songs,
he wrote the songs of the time of of praise
to God, write the psalms. Always kid that one day
I'm going to meet David in heaven and he's gonna
have words of me, because I get a lot of
credit for things he wrote, because it's I take all
this my songs from the psalms. And so when I
when that line came, you know, that opening line, I've
(06:55):
got a slinging. I've got a harp in one hand
and a sling and the other for the battles I fight.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
I fight at these. I thought, that's David.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
He was such a He was a he had a
heart for God, and he was a warrior. And that
that idea of that harp and that sling those two
things two two completely different weapons, you know, but both
one is kind of the spiritual world, you know, and
one is the physical world. And he was a he
(07:22):
was a fighter in both.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
So before I move to the next thing, sorry, no,
no hearing you talk about things, I have like one
hundred questions based on what you just said. But Uh,
when I am doing comps Bible comps to myself and
people that I either want to emulate or or things
I want to avoid, I think about Saul, how pride,
how prideful Saul was, and which led which you know,
(07:46):
the diminishing king. Uh, and pride is really what cost him.
And that's that's a comp that I make that I
try not to be. Yeah, and that because again David
ends up following Saul. Yeah, you know the story. I
don't have to tell you this story.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
Well, but like it's amazing because but all would say
play the harp right because it eased him.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
And I try to I try to not be Saul. Right.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
I just read The Alchemist I have I can't remember it.
I read it so long ago. I loved it. I
loved it, and it was one of those books that
everybody's always read and or read a long time ago,
and I just never have. And I'm in a place
now my life where I kind of don't know I'm
in many ways, I am exactly where I want to be,
(08:32):
but I've never been more lost. At the same time, Yeah,
it's like this odd juxtaposition, like I know exactly who
I am, but I also have no clue more than ever.
And I was flipping through books cause I like to read.
I just finished the fiction book and I'm usually not
even a fiction reader, and I flipped like seven or eight,
and for no reason, the Alchemist came up and I
(08:53):
clicked it and read it and I read it like
a day and a half. And not that I'm a
pretty fast reader, but I was just so in. And
it's about finding your personal legend, yes, yes, yes, and
not really attached to any religion, right, because there are
references to Christ all and all, but but they make
sure to go this is not specifically related to religion, right,
(09:14):
And in that, you know, there's a pride theme.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
And I thought about just.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
This story specifically, and you talking about that just kind
of retriggered.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
Retriggered.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
That is, I try to not be Saw, like That's
what I truly, you know, I try to not and
not be Saw. David's David's an odd, remarkable, amazing story.
It's all of those, It's all of it. It's the
it's the triumph and the failure me. He failed as
big as you can fail.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
And I mean, I don't think too many people have
done worse than he's done, and yet somehow he had
this heart after God too. And so it's very relatable,
I think to anybody. I think that's why I'm so
excited they were doing something like that. It's like that
is so relatable to anyone. A lot of people's maybe
people like, well, I'm never gonna be the king of anything,
(10:06):
but that's just the power of his story and just like.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
You don't, he didn't have it altogether, you know.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
I think we look at these the especially a Bible characters,
like there's these mythical creatures like they're these saints and wow, man,
these just had so many flaws and yet to did
incredible things as well.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
I'm gonna run into something by it.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
We just talked about on a podcast last week, and
I was talking about misunderstood finger quote villains.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Yeah, and I bring up Judas.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
Oh man, Okay, we can get going on this and
so and and I was talking to one of my
friends who reads the Bible every day. Yeah, and to
most people just to name Judas because of how it's
referenced for the most part obviously is one who betrays
He betrayed Christ, and how I has suggested on a
(11:02):
microphone to my friend on second look, if Jesus is
all knowing, which he is, that had to be put
into place, Yeah, for all of it to happen, the crucifixion, So.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Judas would not have been there to begin with.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
If it weren't for Jesus. Judas betrayed Jesus just as
was predicted. Judas is seen as the betrayal.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Very much so.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
But my presentation, I wouldn't even say argument, because we
were just looking at characters fictional or nonfiction that we
have a signed attack too. We did ben Atic Arnold
and it was, but we spent a lot of time
on Judas and I really feel like, oh, Judas kind
of gets the raw end sometimes because I feel like
(11:54):
he was selected to do just that, and without him
doing just that, the Crucifixion, all of it, it would
have happened.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Right.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
And so in conclusion of my mini ted talk, I said,
I feel like we should give Judas a second look
and maybe understand that Christ understood what needed to happen
for what needed to happen to happen.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
What are your thoughts on that theory.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
Let's go, let's.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
Just go deep in. This was literally on the last
podcast we did.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
Okay, so I just got to be a part of
this movie called The Last Supper. And the reason I
was interested in being a part of the movie and
helping get the word out about this movie is because
it took the different look the Last Supper. Obviously Jesus
the central character, but really it's Peter and Judas. It's
(12:44):
through the lens of Peter and Judas, both of whom
you know, don't have a great part in this story
of the Last Supper. Well with Judas. What I was
so moved by is that I was is that moment
in at the scene Okay, let me, let me just
(13:05):
set the scene there in Jesus like, okay, let's have
this passover meal. It's this it's it's passed over time,
and let's have this meal and get get it all together,
and just like they would normally do year after year
after year, but this time it was different. And he
began to wash their feet, and that's the famous where
he starts washing Peter's feet. He's like, what are you doing?
(13:26):
Peter's like, what are you doing? He's like, yeah, I'm
so you're I don't even I'm not even worthy to
tell your sandals.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
What are you doing?
Speaker 1 (13:31):
And she's like, this is I'm showing you, I'm serving you,
and this is what I want you to do others
and he washes Judas and he's and you're like and
then there's and I was really struck by the movie.
I was like, I was like, I've been I've been
a follower of Jesus. I've been a Christian most of
my life since i was a kid, and I've studied
and I've read the Bible and I've heard all the stories,
(13:53):
and yeah, I saw it a brand new again because
I saw this moment where Jesus changes the whole thing
and he takes the bread as he normally would pass around,
but this time he breaks it and he's like, this
is my body.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
Actually I'm about to be broken for you in it.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
And you see the guys, you see these disciples, you
see these brothers, these friends, they're just friends, right. We
know him as the Saint Thomas and Saint Matthew and
sat these were just these were normal guys and they're
trying to figure it out. And which is crazy is
most of them I learned through this Most of them
were teenagers or early twenties. So think about that, they're
(14:30):
eighteen nineteen years old and this they're about to change
the entire world. And Jesus like, he changes the whole thing.
He's like, I'm breaking this, and he starts handing the
bread because this is actually my body. And they're just
they're looking a each other like, whoa, this is different.
This is not how this normal goes. And he takes
the cup and he's like, and this is my blood.
This was about to happen.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
And when you once you remember me when you do this.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
And yet he and he but he gives the bread
and he's he gives it, and Judas and Peter are there,
and I'm thinking I just saw it brand new because
I'm thinking, Wow, this is the picture the forgiveness of
God that all for me, for you, for everybodyho's listening
to this. How powerful that even though Jesus knew what
(15:15):
was coming, he knew that he was about to go
to the cross, they did not understand. They were still
trying to figure it out, like what was he talking about.
He's like, it's all coming down to it's all about
to happen. I'm about to be killed for the sins
of the world. And yet he knew that one of them.
He's looking at one of them, and you're going to
deny me. You're about to I know you're going to
go and say, even though you say you're gonna be
(15:37):
with me till the end, you're about to say you don't.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
Even know who I am.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
When a little girl asks you, aren't you with him?
And you're gonna say, no, I don't even know who
that is. And then Judas, you're about to go for
some money, turn me in, And that kind of what
you're kind of getting at, that to me shows the
side of the Gospel, of the good News, of this message.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
It puts it.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
In a in a powerful way of like, man, Jesus
knew this, like you said, and yet he's he's like,
I'm doing this for you.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
You know I know what you're about to do. This
is still for you.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
And that's man that And then when I saw I
saw myself, I just saw myself in that in those guys.
How much in me is is a man. Sometimes I'm
Peter and I'm the bodyguard Jesus. I will no one's
gonna take you. I will go with you to the end.
And then I found myself through my actions, through my
words denying him. I found myself betraying. I find myself
(16:31):
in the same place. And so I think that's why
that that picture is there, is to help people, to
help me and to help us remember that this was this,
This was for This is for those who were going
to betray into into wrong Jesus, and yet it was
for them and for the for the world, for all
of us because we're all in that basket, none of us.
(16:52):
It may look a little bit different, but we're all
in that in that basket with those guys. And so
that that's been such a a beautiful picture reminder to
me this this kind of this Easter season, because of
being a part of that movie and helping get that
made and showing that picture to people again of just
how that moment.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
So would you support my theory of since Jesus is
all knowing and he knew that he was going to
do it and that needed to happen, that he I
don't think he should just be universally be the bad guy.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3 (17:26):
You don't have to agree, by the way, you can
you can totally no, no, no, A year a moron, because
I hear that.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
All day, all day, every day. That's all I hear
all day, not I think, I mean, there's not.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
No, there's not a lot of people been named Judas
since then, and.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
Exactly a couple of names that have died Judas ate off.
There have been a few of these that we just
don't do anymore. Yes, Judas bonesy No, none, none of that.
Judas Bones is not happening. But yeah, there is. There's
a reason for that. But yes, I mean it was.
That was part of the plan and Judas was Yeah,
Jesus part the plant. And so I will say this,
(17:59):
and this is not to be over spiritual, but if
we throw Judas away, we must well throw everybody else away.
Exactly my point. That's what over spiritual. That's just talking
about the topic we're talking about. Yeah, it's you know,
because who any of us? Who?
Speaker 2 (18:13):
Who? Who has it?
Speaker 3 (18:14):
Toget who wouldn't Well, I see a bit again. I say,
I try to be sold about. I want to be
more David. But there's definitely Sall on me. There's definitely
David in me. There's definitely Judas. We all it's it's this,
we're all that For me, I'm just trying to push
down the ones that the characteristics I don't like, and
really trying to accentuate the ones that I do. Yes,
(18:34):
you did no Greater Love for the Last Supper? Yes,
And that you're in credits is a different song and
you know it's no Gary Love is and in credits,
so that is that's when it airs.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
Yes, how much of it? Do they run the whole song?
And are you mad people walk out during your song? Exactly?
Speaker 3 (18:50):
I'm like, this is the only I just want to say, hey, guys,
wait because as soon as starts trolling on, everybody's getting up.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
I'm like, wait, wait, wait, let's please listen to this song.
Did they they run the wholesome? They run the all song? Yeah?
And did they tell you write a song for it?
Or did you have it?
Speaker 1 (19:04):
That's how I got involved with the movie. Obviously it
started with music. They didn't come to me, Hey, we
know you make.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
Great movies, because that's never happened. And the first started
with music. And these guys, the producers and people putting
this movie together, said you have any music for this,
any song for this that could work. And I said, well,
let me see the can I see this screening of it?
That showed me kind of this the idea of what
they had so far, and I was like, I really
like this, Like would you like to be involved in
(19:28):
a greater way? And I was like, I was like yeah,
And I was like, I think I have a song.
And so the crazy thing is I had just gone
out to some valley, Idaho.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
Tyler Hubbard had asked me and a couple of songwriters
he wanted to put together a little songwriting camp together
out out there at Ernest Hemingway's house. Mattgic it's a
part of that, right, yes, yeah, one of our buddies here, Yeah,
Matt and Corey Crowder and Magic.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
It's Tyler Hubbard.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
Hey, would you get wet to come out and we're
gonna write at Ernest Hemingway's place.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
I was like, oh my gosh, that'd be so cool.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
And it's this obviously it's historical landmark and you can
use the basement and a lot of poets come and
write poetry there, something and things. So we were writing
and I thought, oh, this is my chance to you know,
write some country music, and that's be fun. I don't
ever get in that lane hardly ever. And as soon
as I get there, they're like, hey, we want to
write a song with you. I write like in your World.
I'm like okay. I was like okay, and they're like
(20:23):
and Matt Jenkins said, you know, I've just been thinking
about this.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
Line.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
I've been thinking about this verse no greater Love and
John fifteen he just said, he said, no greater love
than this, that a man laid down his life for
his friends.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
This is in January. Okay.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
He's like, I'm thinking, I just keep thinking about that verse,
there's no greater love than a man laid down his
life for his friends. And have you read Have you
never a song like that? It's like, I don't.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
He said, what about that? So let's do it?
Speaker 1 (20:51):
And so we wrote this song, no Greater Love, and
had this made this demo and it's really beautiful. I
think it's a powerful, powerful lyric and the idea of
trading the crown of Jesus, trading the kind of the
crown of glory for crown of thorns and just this
the sacrifice right. And a couple of weeks later, I
get approached with this movie do you guys, have you
(21:11):
have a song that could work with this? And I
was like Wow, I think this I've played on this song.
I was like, I got this demo. I haven't played
for anybody. I just wrote this song with some friends.
Let me play this demo, and.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
They're like, this is the song, this is perfect for this.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
So it was one of those moments where I feel
like things were lined up and I was like, let's
do it. So I got involved in not just a
song for the movie, but just just helping shape a.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
Little bit more. That's pretty cool.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
Yeah, it's like your world's are you're expanding? Yes, oh
so so fun. But the expansion is cool because it's
you're getting involved in things by doing what you already do.
Yeah right, yeah, but it's yes, other things. Yeah, it's
just really cool to see the growth of like what
you do and how it's incorporated into other projects.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
And it was natural for me.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
You know, it's not like a movie or a subject
I don't know anything about. So it was really good,
Like this worked for me because it's like, yeah, I do.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
I would love to share more about this and help
people see.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
The Good Friday Show was so good last year. The
first time i'd been was it was awesome and uh,
but you know, frankly speaking, I was like, I want
to go. I think it's going to be good. I
like Chris, so I hope it's good because if not,
it's gonna be kind of awkward. If I'm like, I'm not going.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
To tell you it's not, I wouldn't be like, man,
lackluster show. Huh.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
But it's always weird to watch your because I don't
know you in that way, meaning I know what you do,
I know your music.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
I've never been to a concert.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
I don't go to anybody's concerts anymore because either I'm
on the road or I'm asleep.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
That's it. And so we go. We were very excited
about it, and it was it was it was awesome.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
Thank you, yeah, and thank you You've done what I've found.
If I'm remembering this correct, I think you said that
night you were like, we're doing it again next year?
Speaker 2 (22:50):
And then I don't do you put tickets on sale?
Speaker 3 (22:52):
Right? Then this thing's sold out? So that back to
the Gills. Is it sold out again? This year?
Speaker 2 (22:57):
Sold out? By I dinna bring my in laws though?
Do you have do you have a couple of extra
in case we decided to come?
Speaker 3 (23:02):
I know some people so we can get you, we
can get you in.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
Where's the fun thing?
Speaker 3 (23:05):
Man?
Speaker 1 (23:05):
Is that we sold This is the earliest it's ever
sold out this year and it's our ninth year. And
what I love about it is I didn't market there's
no marketing of anything. It just says good Friday in Nashville.
There's no names on the poster. No one even knows
who's going to play because I have it's surprises or
but in the past I have said, hey, it's me
and here's a few people, and then I have surprises.
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This year, I didn't even put anybody on there, and
so that is really special to me that people just
want to come. They know it's going to be a
special night and they just want to be there. And
it's filled up and it's going to be I can
tell you it's going to be incredible.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
It's all.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
It's gonna be the night of nights. If you're if
you can, it's gonna be streamed. If you can't, if
you're can't get to Nashville or not there. But it's
it's a really beautiful night.
Speaker 4 (23:48):
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Speaker 3 (24:03):
I want to ask you a question about your job. Yes,
we both love our jobs. Our jobs are a massive
part of who we are. Hopefully they're not all of
who we are, right But being so immersed in your work,
how do you keep it fresh, especially something that is
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thousands of years old? How are you able to constantly
keep it fresh? In the music side of things, Sure,
anything creative, anything, because.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
You can go hymns.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
I mean we can walk through even Yeah, you know
the eighties and nineties and when I started to from Carmen,
I'd go to Carmen Show's or you do Jars.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
Of Klay Newsboys, all of that.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
Like, there has been Yeah Christian music and always yeah sonically,
but the message is the same. So how do you
make it different when it's kind of the message should
remain somewhat the same.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
Yeah, that's a great question. I mean I think it's
just been something that I didn't first of all. And
I mean this, I never chose this. I feel like
it chose me. This is something that I feel called
to since I was a kid, and it's a it's
like a burning passion in me. I never thought it
would be music. I thought it would be something to
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help people connect with God. I didn't know it would
be music, but so that this, this, this whatever, this
pool inside of me as is something that I didn't
I don't have to keep trying to keep going.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
It's just it's always there, like angles on songs.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
Because even in country music, which is always evolving and
changing and you have so much more to work with,
it feels like than the message. Even these guys here,
my friends are like, we keep writing the same song
over and over again. We just got to find a
slightly different way.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
Yeah, you're doing it on something that's been running over
for thousands of years, thousands of years, and I just
got which we can get into. I just got to
be a part of a song that's literally eighteen hundred
years old. It will be the earliest song ever ever
found in our faith that we're just we're about to
put out. It's a whole another, it's a documentary everything.
It's insane. We can get to that.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
But this is.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
Yeah, it's always trying to help people. Here's what I
try to do for me. It's help.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
I've always said I want to help people see. If
I can help people see and then they'll sing the
more you see the more you sing. And what I
mean by that is, if for me and my songs,
if I can help give people a picture in their heart,
in their mind of God's goodness, his grace, his mercy,
his forgiveness, his glory, and write that in a way
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that helps people see, then.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
You can't help but praise. If I can help people.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
See it, and then then they'll they'll praise God. And
for me, it's always been about I think the beautiful
thing is is it's always been about the song for me,
helping people connect with the song. It's not been about, Hey,
I've got to build my brain, and to me, I've
never tried to do that.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
I've just tried to help. I've tried to hopefully just
the song is.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
The song is what this is the star, The song
is what is connects with people and so it's it's
it's just pushing for the best songs possible. And you know,
just lately with this song Holy Forever, it's been another
moment like I've had these moments along with this.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
It's almost almost.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
Thirty years now, man, thirty years of touring and traveling,
and I've had these moments, these like these little marking
moments of like these songs that I can just look
and goues that was the kind of temple in that
in that moment and this and to be this far
along and have it and God give me a song
like Holy Forever that's really connected around the world again.
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And it's been so it's been so special. And I
can tell you when when we were when it was
writing it, I was thinking, Okay, this feels like I
always I never feel this, but when I felt, I
sent a text to a friend of mine said, I
feel like this song is going to be really really
special in some way and I and it's been.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
It's been, It's been incredible.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
If I wrote songs like you, I would send every
song to a different friend so I could always say
I texted this song to a friend and knew it
was going to be special, so I wouldn't be lying.
I would just text different friends all one song. I'd
be like, this song, you have it down, it's on record.
I have said this song is a very special. Yeah, yeah, whenever,
because I want to hear the story about this song
that yeah. But to me, there wagon will which was
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I could Bob Dylan semi finished demo that existed randomly
was never put out in the catch from old Crow
finishes writing it, yes, and then wagon will becomes massive.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
They do it, then Darius does it.
Speaker 3 (28:41):
So that's a version of of a story that I
think of when it's like an old song that isn't
totally done is then finished and then is I want.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
Saya but just but relevant? Yes?
Speaker 3 (28:54):
Right, brought back to life? Yes, So give me your
version of this that you're talking about. This song is
six hundred years.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
Old, teen hundred years old. So I got to approach
this this year.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
I mean this last fall with this guy from his
name is Ben Fielding and he's he's a songwriting friend.
He said, hey, I want to connect you with this
with this friend of mine. He's this he's a brainiac.
His name is John Dickinson and he's he's from Australia.
And he said, I've got this song. I've got I
want somebody to bring this song back. He goes, there
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was this piece of scrap paper that was found in Egypt,
in this a town called oxy Reinos in Egypt, and
he said, it's in a vault in Oxford. Now it's
and it's just a little piece of scrap paper and
it's the earliest known him. I just known song with
musical notation, has musical notation on the notation makes no
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sense to us. I don't even understand what it is.
But it's in that time and it's dated to the
third century, so the two hundreds, and this is and
it's a piece of a hymn and it's missing about
they said, missing about ten to twelve words, but it's
got like twenty five thirty words on it and they're
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beautiful and they're powerful. He said, we've translated, and it's translated,
and here is the old melody. And I can't really
it's it's really interesting melody. But the like, would you
and Ben this other songwriter friend, would y'all be interested
in maybe bringing this to life again and bringing this
back and bringing this hymn? And he said, we're making
a document documentary because there's so many things about this
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hymn they're special, and so we did, and so it
releases in a week from now and it's called the
First Hymn And the lyrics are beautiful.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
I think this week, Mike, right, because it's daring this Yeah,
So it's out this Friday.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
Yeah, or is it right now. I think it'll be
out now.
Speaker 3 (30:46):
Hey, it's out now, it's out now, it's out now. Okay,
it's out now.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
So the first hymn, and when you hear this, here's
here's here's some I wish I could tell the backstory
for everybody who listens this, but's here's a song. But
here's why this is such a big deal is to
think about these words that are being sung are not
only I mean almost almost two thousand years old. This
would have been the grandkids of the disciples, right, This
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had been that generation, and this is what they were singing.
This was a time when those who that were spreading
this message of Christianity would have been killed. They were
trying to wipe Christianity out. This is under incredible persecution.
So obviously it's anonymous. Did these guys who wrote this
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or make it or were singing this, did they even
make it?
Speaker 2 (31:36):
Who knows? But would they ever.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
Dream that wherever they were in their little cave singing
this song together or their little house together, that eighteen
hundred years from now, that this would be on a
thing called Spotify or Apple Music and people be starting
to sing this in the church, be starting to sing
this again. That's powerful to me. There's a couple of things.
There's the last line of the hymn, says and to
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the you wrote or there's on there, that's on there,
he says, to the only Giver of all good gifts,
I'm in, I'm in. And the guy the this historian
who said why this was so important is in that
day and time, pagan worship mostly to Zeus and other
gods would to to worship them. To go into any
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kind of worship service, quote unquote, you would start with
to the Giver of all good gifts. And that's how
all the worship would start to the Giver of all
good gifts, he says. And for this, for this little
ragtag remnant of people to end their song with to
the only Giver of all good gifts was quite a
it was just such a pushback to society and culture.
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And it's it's powerful and I think that it's a
it's just a powerful thing. And I and it's just
so to be a part of that. And like you said,
to what kind of music, what kind of songs have
that kind of history? You know, I was thinking about this,
just this long line of of of songs and music
that we just try to keep carrying on throughout the ages.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
Is so special.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
One are the music notes look like because yeah, they
look like they look a little bit like they almost
look like Chinese characters or something like that.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
Not like the stick with the fat little moment, not
like that, not like that.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
In the melody we have a you hear a girl
singing this week, we brought in this Egyptian girl just
to the hook. Is the is the ancient melody? And
ah I mean, I mean the word I'm in. But
they would sing it all together. Ah I mean, I mean, ah,
I mean, and so we have this guitar line and
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she's singing that over and so again. Most people hear
that will not have any context for it. But that
is that literally, that melody was eighteen hundred years ago.
When you finished that, did I don't know?
Speaker 2 (34:00):
What does that feel like? Because you're just kind of
redid it? I mean I was.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
It's a little bit of trembling because I was like,
I just want to carry I want to carry this
well out. I mean, I want to get it right.
I want to do the very best I can. And
with such a gift, such a song that you know,
was meant a lot to those people and means a
lot today.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
And so yeah, I was. You just never know. I
never know. Songs are look, this is going to be.
Speaker 3 (34:28):
This is it?
Speaker 1 (34:29):
You know, but especially something like this. She's like, this
is the best I can do, and I hope, I
hope it does a justice.
Speaker 3 (34:36):
So the first him you can listen to it, but
also the it's on Wonder the platform, Wonder if you
want to watch the documentary. What if we're going to
throw this at you? What if they find an older song?
And now this is now the second hymn?
Speaker 2 (34:48):
Have you thought about that?
Speaker 3 (34:49):
I definitely have, because all of a sudden I have,
And so I went back ten times. It's like, should
we really call this that person? Because obviously there's the psalms.
The songs are older than that, sure, and.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
But this is the first ever, it is the first
song ever found with musical notation, and it's to find
they said, the chances of finding something would be who knows,
hundreds of years from now, and so then I I
won't have to deal with it something else, but they'll.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
Just be my luck.
Speaker 3 (35:18):
Though they find another one like a week after we're
done it, and it's a week earlier. Yeah, and it's
like the real first him and I'm like, oh man,
this is from the fifties, yes, the year fifty. I
feel like there would be an immense pressure on you
to love Christmas, to love Christmas, not even for the
Jesus element, just you just need to like embrace Christmas.
And if you're not Chris Christmas, I mean your name
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is Chris and Christmas. Tomlin, Yeah, I feel like there's
a pressure that you got to be mister Christmas just
around the house. No, not definitely, not around the house,
but like the biggest light displayed, like you gotta be.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
Do you feel that pressure? Hilarious? Love?
Speaker 3 (35:58):
I love how this goes. Where do we went from
here to Christmas?
Speaker 2 (36:02):
Like that that quick?
Speaker 3 (36:03):
Well, I just think when you're talking about things, I'm like,
you know, in my mind, I've got eight things one
at once, Like and We've had the discussion where I
think everybody X like like they have to be on
their p's and q's around you because.
Speaker 2 (36:13):
You'll just literally call God and be like and tell
on them.
Speaker 3 (36:16):
Like I told you that last time that people they
probably act in a way towards you where they can't
be themselves and I found myself the victim of that
because we're having a party and I told Caitlin, I
was like, hey, let's invite Chris.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
But we were doing like Casino night. I was like,
I wish gonnavite.
Speaker 3 (36:27):
Chrismas you know, and then she goes, you're doing exactly
what you would. You said, I loved thank you for
your so yes, and so I'm okay. So yeah, Christmas.
I love Christmas.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
I love it anyway, but yes I do. I'm not
mister Christmas, but yeah, I've I love it. I love
the music Christmas, I love I love everything about it,
Like you have.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
To be the best present giver of all the nephew.
Speaker 3 (36:49):
I would just think that that would be the pressure
I would put on myself because that's what you're out
constantly singing the word. Yeah, and what's more the word
than Christmas? And I'm on tour every Christmas. I do
a Christmas tour every Christmas. Yeah. Yeah, the gifts would
have to be a plus if I were known for Christmas.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (37:08):
Now I'm known for my vision, so that's a pretty
easy one. Yeah, because I can just be like I'm blind,
you know, so I don't really have anything that I
have to do. But when do you When do you
put up the Christmas tree at your house?
Speaker 2 (37:19):
The Christmas tree is right after Thanksgiving? Okay, so that's normal. Yeah,
that's boring.
Speaker 3 (37:26):
We should change that you should do like when you
text all your friends, this one is that you should do.
Speaker 2 (37:30):
July fifth, and you're like, you're like it, you know,
follow me July fifth. So I feel like, guys, Christmas
every day.
Speaker 5 (37:39):
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Speaker 3 (37:54):
I feel like there's a really common thread between country
music and Christian music. I used the word, I'll use
the term very wide open Christian music. I feel it's
a very common threat. I think country music is very
much based and it's belief in God, and I think
that's why so many artists, yeah, are drawn to you.
And I think the project that you did with a
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lot of the country artists, I would imagine those were
all pretty quick yess.
Speaker 1 (38:20):
Yeah, it was really fun man, it was Yeah. It
was something that I wasn't even trying to do. I
think we talked about that, but I wasn't even trying
to do it. It just it was just happened through
just natural relationship and just a relationships started happening and
started we should we should smash up our genres.
Speaker 2 (38:33):
It's all because it's come from this.
Speaker 1 (38:34):
Obviously, country music came from the church, and you got
the rhymen, which is a church. You got the whole
thing comes out of the church. Rock and roll camp,
everything comes out of the church. You want to talk,
if you want to get really going as far as
art and everything like that, obviously that's where it all
came from. It goes its other way, but yeah, I mean, yeah,
it's so so close.
Speaker 2 (38:53):
We went to Austria. My wife and I did never
been to Austria before, so we went to Austria and it.
Speaker 3 (38:57):
Is amazing, right, growing up, didn't go anywhere, right, so
now it's like I'm just trying to go see stuff.
Speaker 2 (39:03):
And we go into a church that was two thousand
years old whatever it was, I mean, it was almost there.
Speaker 3 (39:13):
That's when I feel history, That's when I feel like
the gravity of existence. And I've been into a couple
of churches like that, but we went into one in
Austria that was like you like to fill your guts.
Moved around a little bit because of everything that has
happened underneath that roof. You ever go when you're traveling internationally,
do you ever go look at some of these really
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old worship I'll just call them places a worship.
Speaker 1 (39:36):
Yeah, yeah, let me kind of tell you about one, please,
and it'll be you're like, well, duh, but no, I
was in Israel and I got to go to the
site of the cross. And now in Israel, if you've been,
you know what I'm talking about. If you haven't, I haven't,
so I'm not gonna know. They build churches over everything.
So it's not what you think in your mind, because
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they've made the the church came, the Catholic Church came
and built just to memorialize it or church enshrine the place.
Speaker 2 (40:04):
Built these churches over these places.
Speaker 1 (40:06):
So you're going inside a church to see like where
the cross was or the tomb into tomb, and you're
one of these huge, huge.
Speaker 2 (40:12):
Churches and they're ancient, ancient, ancient.
Speaker 1 (40:15):
But at the side of the cross there was a
place they have the stone where they where they say
and that Jesus was laid when they took him off
the cross. This is the stone where Joseph would have
taken him off of arimathea, and they laid him down
to dress the body. And you're talking about this is
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something I'll never forget because here's what I saw is
I saw this was a normal day in the line
of people that were lined up, I mean hundreds of
people for hours. And I looked at our tour guide
and I was like, is this suck this every day?
And he said, obviously not now for the wars things
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like that. He goes, this was a few years ago.
He said, it's every day. And when it was every
kind of person, Bobby, it was like people, it was
like beautiful African dress, it was Asian, it was it,
it was poor, it was rich. It was like every
kind of person you can think of and look and
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looks like lined up. And I watched and as everyone
approached that stone, and I watched these ladies just kneel
at that stone and just I mean, and and kiss
that stone. And I thought, wow, it just it was
a little picture of heaven for me. I was like, wow,
this is you know, sometimes we think heaven looks like
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America or something like that. Maybe it's like it looks
nothing like that. This is this was the whole world.
This was a Tuesday in the world, every kind of
person's lined up, and He's like every day they line
people in this line just to stand there and just
to just to kiss the stone where Jesus was laid.
And it was one of the you're talking about everything
inside you moving. I just stood over to the side
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and just watched and just watched and just watch people
in their active worship really just come and kneel there
and just thank God and just you could tell people
and they would just some people would pray. Some people
would just have a moment and just stop and think
and just pray. And you can tell their their their
gratitude and their heart. And I was like, man, what
a picture of what a beautiful picture of heaven. So
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when I when I get to travel, I try to
go to these places and just so moved.
Speaker 3 (42:31):
Worship has gone through. We talked about this a bit,
like stylistic changes over the past twenty years from when
you started, which isn't because again it's not like you
were seven doing this, No, you know, your origin is
not that like it was a bit later. Yeah, Stylistically,
what have you seen change in concert?
Speaker 2 (42:50):
Like live live?
Speaker 3 (42:52):
I don't just wanna say music because it's more of
an experience. But with Christian music, what have you seen
stylistically change in the past twenty years?
Speaker 1 (42:59):
Oh my goodness, so much. What's so much more popular
I think across our country and it's so much. It
continues to grow, which is awesome as far as the
live experience and concert But I would say from when
I started, it was a little simple songs of a
chorus and that's what was like shaking the church. It's like, oh, mysh,
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these guys are these guys are radical. They're singing a
with a guitar and don't bring the drums. It was
it was it was still literally that still like don't
don't bring the drums and uh, okay, we'll let the guitar.
Speaker 2 (43:34):
But that's that's pushing it.
Speaker 1 (43:36):
And now you know churches are filled with uh, just
modern music and it's and that's that's how it's changed.
But in a way, but I still feel people, I
still I still see still, even even the younger generations,
you still see people longing for the simplicity, longing for
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not all the lights and the sound and the everything,
but but more of just what's real. I think, more
than anything, more than anything now people are just learning
what is what is real? Don't don't just put on
a show, but what is what is really real? People
are longing for what's real, and that's what That's what
I try to hopefully get people in my concerts and
and my other friends as well as show people what's real.
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And but yeah, I mean it's it's definitely progressed a lot, especially.
Speaker 2 (44:24):
In the church.
Speaker 4 (44:25):
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Speaker 3 (44:39):
When you say what's real, what I think about is
and I think you're referring to like authenticity, meaning you're
not up. And I think in part of what I
do as well, like if I'm up and I'm perfect
and shiny, that's not real. And I can act like
a better version of what I am, but that is
not going to resonate. It may feel better to me
to be like, look at me, life's great, got it
all figured out, follow along and again for my ego,
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that might feel pretty good, but I also know that
people are not going to connect with that. They're actually
going to connect with me when it's like, yeah, I
stuck at this, I struggle with this.
Speaker 2 (45:11):
Yes, I'm good at this I and I when.
Speaker 3 (45:14):
You say that, that's what I hear, like, if you're
able to share not just the glossy part of life
or worship.
Speaker 1 (45:21):
Exactly, because no one that doesn't help anybody. And that's
what I think when I say, people are looking longing
for the truth, long for real. Don't just put on
just don't don't gloss everything over and like, oh everything
is good. You give your life to God and everything's roses.
It's man, it's life is hard, life is unfair. Life
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is comes at everybody in such hard ways. And but
what do you have in those moments? I heard somebody
recently say, you know, when the storms come, it separates
the players from the pretenders.
Speaker 2 (45:54):
And that's the truth in life.
Speaker 1 (45:56):
When the storms come, that separates everybody from those who
are pretending and those who are really there, who are
really like and and that is that hit me, you
know that's then that's that's that's his oldest Jesus teachings.
Speaker 3 (46:10):
Right.
Speaker 1 (46:10):
You can build your house on the rock, you build
your house in the sand, and the storms come, one's
gonna stay, one's gonna crumble. And that's I think that's
what people are looking for. And when I say real,
that's what I mean.
Speaker 2 (46:21):
How long you been married? Fourteen years? What's what's what's
what's the key? Yeah, the key is I'm sorry, well
you forgive me. That is the key. I mean, that
is the key.
Speaker 1 (46:38):
The key is just pretty is pride pushing pride down,
pushing Saul, Yeah, pushing Saul away of like I you know,
I deserve this or I rule this or whatever it's.
It's that's the key I think is and I there's
good days, and there's and there's days. I'm so blessed
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by Lauren because she's just so honest and so on me.
Speaker 2 (47:05):
It makes me better.
Speaker 3 (47:07):
And it's funny you lead with honest because my wife's
and I'm ten years behind you. Is why I asked that,
like in marriage, what we've married four four plus years?
And yeah, my wife's honest. But sometimes that doesn't feel good,
but it's greater, like it's it's needed. But she's like
the first person that I trust to be honest with me.
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But sometimes it doesn't feel good. And the key for
me so far has been when you said that, it
resonated like crazy has been not to be so defensive.
Speaker 2 (47:41):
So quick, Yeah, so easy. I get so defensive me too,
and to understand that do you know all that I'm doing?
Do you know?
Speaker 3 (47:49):
Do you know?
Speaker 2 (47:50):
Do you know what's coming at me? Do you know
all the things? I mean? Instantly? And then it's like
that that does not work. That does not work, and.
Speaker 3 (47:58):
You have to.
Speaker 1 (48:00):
And can you catch yourself? And sometimes it takes me,
you know, twenty minutes. Sometimes it might take me a
couple of days, like, Okay, what am I doing? I'm
really in a bad place here in my pride and
in my defensiveness. And yeah, my wife is smarter than
I am, which sucks, It does sucks.
Speaker 3 (48:18):
I mean, it's awesome, but it's the same, right, It's
like your strength is your greatest weakness, your way. But
it's like she she's smarter than I am. She's funnier
than I am. She's funnier than I am in a
world where I'm celebrated for being funny. And what drives
me insane is that she has no need or desire
to monetize it none.
Speaker 2 (48:39):
She does not want to be published. I'm like, you're
wasting this talent. Look at this god given talent you
have and it's just sitting here. Yeah, No, and now
you know that.
Speaker 3 (48:48):
But for her, I also can accept her honesty most
of the time and what I'm creating, and I think
that's been so valuable, but very hard, especially at first. Yes,
so she would tell me a joke wasn't funny, I
be like, will you write it? And the first time
she did and we wrote it, I was humbled. I
couldn't have been more humbled. Wow, oh yeah, it's a
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terrible it's a terrible day, but a great day. But
I was like, okay, if you think it's I did
the Opry and so I'm doing the opera. I played
Operty fifteen times or so. But like one of the
times I did the Opry, I'm up and I'm telling
a joke and I came off, and I'm just ready
to be celebrated. Wait, a great job, great job. Just
the natural you walk off stage. Part of it is, hey,
everybody tell me how got I did? Even if I
don't consciously say that, that's just of course you come off. Yeah,
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that's the expectation, because that's what happens a lot of times.
Speaker 2 (49:36):
They're just like, oh, you did great. And we walk
off and we get in the car, and she was like,
I said, hey, how do you think I went? And
she goes. I thought it was fine. She goes, but
and she.
Speaker 3 (49:44):
Alluded to one part of the set. She was like,
that was too low hanging fruit for you, And I said, oh, oh,
I was shocked. I was like, ohh, I was like what.
Speaker 2 (49:56):
Yes, she was like, there was too low. You're better
than that. You can do better than that.
Speaker 3 (50:01):
I'm telling you this is like seven minutes after I'm
off stage. I'm in the car ready to be my wife,
who I love more than he'd be, like, oh, the
best year. I let what everything you do is delightful.
And so she's like, yeah, it's that fruits tool you get.
Speaker 2 (50:14):
You got to do better.
Speaker 3 (50:16):
And I'm like, well, then you do it. And she's like, well,
I'm not the one that's whatever. We get home and
like twenty minutes later she'd rewritten and it was better
and I use and I used it.
Speaker 2 (50:25):
Am I special? And that hurt and it hurt.
Speaker 3 (50:30):
But again that that was a very minor storm, like
you're talking about the storms right, yes, like that was
a that was a single cell organism storm, yes, but
was much stronger after And it's.
Speaker 2 (50:43):
Made me better at realizing Ah I need that honesty. Yeah,
in many ways.
Speaker 3 (50:49):
And it's not just that like that's the funny version
of it, but even in like I never grew up
with a family, like I don't have I don't have family.
You never have a family to have Christmas Eve with,
Like her family bizarre foreign, not because they do anything weird.
They're not naked or anything, but it's like I never
did family together. Yeah, it's everybody being together. You're like
watching a movie having waking all of it.
Speaker 2 (51:11):
And that was really difficult for me. And it's still
foreign to me.
Speaker 3 (51:14):
But my wife, And the reason I ask about the
wife is because I know and I just wonder how
because we're similar, you're creating, you have to be constant.
Speaker 2 (51:26):
Yes, how your wife affects you in that situation?
Speaker 1 (51:30):
Yeah, she makes me. What she has done is made
me such a better present to people. I don't know
if she's really affected the music as much, but it's
just the way I am with people, the way I
connect with people, the way I talk with people, the
way I understand things.
Speaker 2 (51:47):
She's helped me so much that I did not before.
Speaker 1 (51:50):
And most of my friends who have been with me,
you know, I mean, I've got bandmates, right, that have
been with me long way longer I've been married. They've
known me longer than and all of them would say,
you're such a better person, saying you're such a better person.
And so that's that's that's amazing, you know, And that's
and and that's marriage. Marriage is it's, it's it's it's
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no one, no one says marriage is easy, but it
is a refining refine. It's such a refining thing. And
you know, I'm so grateful for her and for my
girls and three daughters, and they're amazing.
Speaker 2 (52:27):
Worship under the Stars.
Speaker 3 (52:28):
You're doing you're doing the series, so a couple of
days in July and then in October.
Speaker 2 (52:34):
And by the way, it's in New York Baltimore doing
Red Rocks. That's cool.
Speaker 3 (52:38):
Yes, not that they're not all cool, but that's that's cool.
That's in Central Park. It's my first time there too.
Oh yeah, that's cool too.
Speaker 2 (52:44):
And they're all cool. That's my point. They're all cool.
Red Rocks, the Red Rocks. That's difficol. So what what's
what's happening here?
Speaker 1 (52:52):
Which, you know, I just sometimes the settings are just
so beautiful when it comes especially when it comes to
music everybod settings are make music so great. But when
it comes to especially when worship music, when you have
beautiful settings, like when you're playing I played Red Rocks
several times and always say, if you cannot, if you
cannot help people connect with God at Red Rocks, you've
(53:13):
got serious. You don't need to be you need to
go sell houses or something, because you don't need to
be in music, right because you just it's already the
setting is so incredible.
Speaker 2 (53:22):
And so yeah, we want to put.
Speaker 1 (53:23):
Together some nights of just beautiful settings, beautiful evenings, good
beautiful places, and have these beautiful nights so call worship
under the Stars.
Speaker 2 (53:30):
And maybe maybe it grows from here.
Speaker 3 (53:32):
But this is our first three and the Pier six
and Baltimore was this beautiful thing out in the Harbor
Central Park and then Red Rocks and it's gonna be
it's gonna be awesome. I want to end with this,
and I want to indulge myself with a story from me. First,
like five or six years ago I decided, may may
be longer than that now, maybe ten years ago, I
(53:54):
don't know. I decid I'm not gonna curse anymore. You
used to love cursing used to be mused to be
really great at it Olympic sports. For the Olympic sport,
that's something I was gonna meddle. Yeah, I was gonna
meddal challenged.
Speaker 2 (54:04):
Yeah, I was good at it. And I thought I'm
done cursing.
Speaker 3 (54:08):
And not for any sort of moral reason, but because
I didn't want to have it as a crutch when creating.
So if I'm writing jokes, radio show, I was writing books, yes,
I didn't want to be because it can be funny,
it can also be a crutch that you use whenever
you're not funny.
Speaker 2 (54:26):
And I wanted to challenge myself.
Speaker 3 (54:27):
So I really haven't sad a curse word in ten
years or so, and so not as a celebration of myself.
But then when people say a bad word around me,
they'll be like, oh, I'm sorry. I start story because
they know I don't curse, and I'm like, no, good
Like I used to if people curse.
Speaker 2 (54:42):
Around you, I feel like they'd be like, oh my goodness,
I'm so sorry.
Speaker 1 (54:45):
Chris really bothers me. It bothers me, It bothers the
heck out of it. Yeah, when people say that, Yeah,
when they're like so apologetic. It doesn't bother me, and
people curse.
Speaker 2 (54:52):
Let me say that.
Speaker 1 (54:53):
It bothers me when people think that for some reason
because I do what I do again, that they that
that feels weird. I'm just like, come on, man, we're
that's normal. I feel the same way. May not say
it the same way, right, feel the same way. And yeah,
it's always It's always bugged me so much, and I
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always all, you like, come on.
Speaker 2 (55:14):
I always like, come on, bro, don't say that. Same
like I am. I'm good. I've heard it before.
Speaker 3 (55:18):
Same, but I wonder up to have it. And I knew,
Like you're playing golf and someone's like, ah, bleep, they're
probably oh sorry, sorry, sorry sorry, Yeah, like you.
Speaker 2 (55:28):
Still play, you're playing, yes, and you're coming. I know
I haven't played. I heard my shoulder bad last year,
so I stopped playing. And then here's the problem, Chris,
I'm being honest.
Speaker 3 (55:35):
I started playing pick a ball, and that you're just
did you if you totally don't like fully on pickaball?
You're one of those guys. Yeah, pretty much. I have
a court right, just see it when you walked in
and did Yeah. And here's the thing, Chris, I'm glad
you asked. Thank you for asking.
Speaker 2 (55:50):
We need to talk about this.
Speaker 3 (55:51):
I'm really into pickleball, and I'm gonna tell you, but
I love golf. But here's the problem with golf.
Speaker 1 (55:55):
No, let's I want to talk to the difference between
tennis and pickleball.
Speaker 2 (55:58):
I'd be happy to. But here's the problem with golf.
It takes too long. And I play golf. I used
play golf all the time to him, but I don't
have three.
Speaker 3 (56:05):
Or four hours because I'm so insecure that I feel
like I have to work all the time just to
prove to myself I'm worthy that I don't block out
the hours to go play golf.
Speaker 1 (56:13):
But I can go pickleball in an hour and you
get a workout and you feel better all the things.
Speaker 2 (56:19):
And I love but I love golf. And yes, and
you've been so I'm I'm playing your golf tournam probably
the only time money.
Speaker 3 (56:24):
I'm gonna kill somebody with the ball. You know what
I'm in though, for the Lord. I'm in, Chris, I
will hit someone with the ball for the Lord. So
have you played pickleball at all? Yes?
Speaker 1 (56:32):
I do like pickle ball, but it's like it's all
my tennis friends are like, it's so much better than tennis,
and I'm like, it's not.
Speaker 2 (56:39):
Oh yeah, I think it.
Speaker 1 (56:40):
Well, okay, here's one one of my best Everybody can
play pickleball and everybody complaints this.
Speaker 2 (56:46):
I agree.
Speaker 3 (56:46):
One of my best friends in the whole world, groomsman
Andy Roddick, former number one, just playing in the world.
Speaker 2 (56:50):
Pretty good.
Speaker 3 (56:50):
That's my guy, right, And so he makes fun of
pickleballer's like crazy, like just really gives it to him,
like that's yeah, you guys are laying and so he
calls and he goes, hey, this is like a year
and a half agod, maybe two years ago. He goes, hey,
you're playing pickleball, right? So yeah, he said a little
bit because Brett Eldridge, one of my best friends, had
had the first court, like of our group, and so
we'd all go to Brett's house and play all the time.
(57:12):
And so I was like, yeah, I play, you know,
maybe once a week, twice a week. And he says, uh,
it's probably pretty easy, right. I'm like, well, you were
number one in the world, like you won US Open.
I feel like for you, it's gonna be pretty easy.
He goes, okay, cool, I said, why you hate pickball?
Because yeah, still hated. He goes, but I'm playing in
a tournament like a week and a half for a
million dollars. And I said, and you haven't played and
you're playing wow, And he was like yeah, he guess
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it's on ESPN.
Speaker 2 (57:34):
And I was like, you know, hit, get around. He
hit a little bit. First. He goes, why am I'm
gonna work out a few days before? And he won?
He won? He won? Yeah, No, he won.
Speaker 5 (57:44):
He won.
Speaker 3 (57:45):
So does that tell you how good he is or
how lame pickleball is that you don't have to play it.
Speaker 2 (57:48):
Can be BA win A Yeah. I think it's both.
Speaker 3 (57:50):
I think one how good he is because he started
playing when we were running together hard because he'd be
gone for eight months at a time because tennis is international,
he's all around the world, hardly ever home, but he'd
be home four months a year and we would hang
out all the time. And so we play golf and
we started playing around the same time, and I watched
him go from shooting one oh six to like seventy
(58:11):
seven and about three months because his hand eye coordination. Yes,
and so pickleball he started playing it and got real good, which,
by the way, he tores meniscus like the day before
the tournament still won, still one, which is crazy. So
there's a lameness to it when it comes to tennis.
But I like pickleball because the floor is higher, meaning
you don't me Moss can play, yes, but if you
(58:34):
to be good, like I could probably wax you pretty
good right now back there, But yeah.
Speaker 1 (58:38):
You could, yeah, because I understand because I get out
and hit my friends who play and they kill me.
And I understand there's a skill too, there's strategy, all
the things.
Speaker 2 (58:44):
But it's better than tennis. No, it's not.
Speaker 1 (58:46):
And what about pickleball on TV? That's what I really
can't get in.
Speaker 3 (58:51):
Okay, do you watch? It's difficult for me too, and
I will be full disclosure. I own part of a
major league pickleball team.
Speaker 2 (58:56):
Okay, this is This is so good?
Speaker 3 (59:01):
Is another podcast and it's difficult at times. I don't
think they have mastered. It reminds me of like the
sixties when they started shooting football from the top of
the bleachers and they really didn't have the angles or
know how to. It feels like that right now that
they've tried to make it tennis, and it's not. It's
a different game, different games, So I don't feel like
they've captured the content in a way that reflects how
(59:22):
fun the game is.
Speaker 2 (59:23):
Probably so I think that needs needs to progress.
Speaker 3 (59:27):
But I do think that pickleballs is is like I'm
watching Wimbledon. Not everybody can play tennis. Honestly, they can't
not air bake up by tennis, right. And also, tennis,
to me was a rich person's game. We didn't the equipment.
You could buy a paddle now for like thirty bucks,
the little plastic ball, a smaller court.
Speaker 2 (59:47):
Yes it's lame, but it's my lame, so I will
defend it. It's it's not lame.
Speaker 3 (59:54):
I like it. It's a great game. Yeah, it's a
great game. But I'm just saying it's that.
Speaker 1 (59:58):
When when I saw them trying to do it on TV,
I was like, oh, yeah it does this is this
is hard.
Speaker 2 (01:00:05):
Yeah, it's like whiffle ball to baseball.
Speaker 3 (01:00:08):
It's kind of goofy. Yeah, but that doesn't mean it
can't be fine competitive and you a little work out in,
but it's better. I didn't like tennis. I never liked tennis.
Speaker 2 (01:00:19):
I loved it. Gosh, I loved it.
Speaker 3 (01:00:20):
I was never like an Andy Roddick. I always wanted
to be. But you have a tennis Did you have
tennis your high school?
Speaker 2 (01:00:26):
Yeah, so we did.
Speaker 3 (01:00:27):
I never was exposed to us. I probably would have
been pro. If I'm being honest, right, how would I not?
Speaker 2 (01:00:33):
Of no doubt? Look at you? Look at me now?
Speaker 3 (01:00:35):
Yeah, it couldn't be any more pro. Okay, look you
guys follow Chris on Instagram at Chris Tomlin.
Speaker 2 (01:00:41):
Oh you're too kind. So after your Heart is in
House of David Yep.
Speaker 3 (01:00:47):
Okay, song The Last Supper, which you are an executive
producer of, Yes and No Greater Love is in the
credits that don't don't stop watching until the song finishes.
Speaker 2 (01:00:56):
Yes, yes, doesn't.
Speaker 3 (01:00:57):
Yeah, once the movie ends, yes, so watch it, but
then don't stop until the credits roll. That's right, okay,
And then as of now you can watch the first time.
The documentary is on the Wonder platform, and then the
song as of now, because it is beyond April eleventh
when this airs, it is on anywhere stream music.
Speaker 2 (01:01:15):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (01:01:16):
And the Good Friday. But you don't need to tell
Good Friday to take it you're good. No, we're good,
We're good. You don't have enough seats?
Speaker 2 (01:01:22):
Good Friday. Okay, that's good, and you're coming.
Speaker 1 (01:01:25):
We'll see which if your parent, if your bofe's parents come,
we'll see.
Speaker 3 (01:01:28):
If they come, it's because they wanted to come to
the show for you. If they don't come, it's because
you didn't convince them. It wasn't enough of a flat
strong and convinced them.
Speaker 2 (01:01:35):
Yeah, yeah, yeah da.
Speaker 3 (01:01:37):
But either way, I will say I was genuinely moved,
and I am jaded as all get out, and I
was genuinely moved by the show.
Speaker 2 (01:01:45):
Well I appreciate that.
Speaker 3 (01:01:46):
Yeah, And I mean, I know we get around it
in all seriousness, full sincerity, genuinely. Well, I hope I
appreciate you saying it, and I hope you can come
this year because be really special. The part I didn't like, though,
if I can, Yeah, the honest part is partly didn't like.
This is your wife speaking right now?
Speaker 5 (01:01:59):
Yeah yah yah.
Speaker 3 (01:01:59):
It's when we pulled down because you were so nice
to give us a good parking I saw who all
the special guests would surprises were by the parking spots
with the names on it.
Speaker 2 (01:02:06):
Mmm. So yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:02:09):
I mean that's it's you know, rich rich person problems. Yeah,
but I saw like, oh Landy, and I was like, oh,
there's no surprises now. I just saw everybody who's parking
down there, and the parking Chris gave us. That's the
part I didn't like, but you did. But the show
was excellent. But next time, maybe I just blindfold myself
and sit passenger and let my wife.
Speaker 2 (01:02:26):
Walk me in a bit. Idea, we're gonna put you out.
No no, no, no, let's not do that. I like
exactly where we were. We had the best parking spot.
I got parking where you will not know.
Speaker 3 (01:02:35):
No, no, no no. I don't want to take this
the wrong way. I want the same parking at Chris Tomlin.
You guys, go see Chris. It's an excellent show. And
Chris could to see you. Man.
Speaker 2 (01:02:43):
That was awes Thank you man, it's good to be here.
Speaker 5 (01:02:46):
Thanks for listening to a Bobby Cast production.
You know, sometimes we think heaven looks like America or
something like that.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Maybe it's like.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
It looks nothing like that. This was a Tuesday in
the world. Is every kind of person's lined up just
to stand there and just to kiss the stone where Jesus.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
Late episode five oh seven, Chris Tomlin returns one of
my favorite people in Nashville. Is just the best of
a genuine affinity for Chris, and hopefully you can tell
during this interview at Chris Tomlin is his Instagram if
you want to follow him, and we do talk about everything,
including the music he's putting out or now has put out,
(00:43):
and even the oldest song ever written.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Yeah. I think that's the wildest part.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
Yeah, it's like eighteen hundred years old.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Yeah. Yeah. Did you feel like my Bob Dylan reference.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Minimized it because he's talking about it, so you'll hear
a song that was written basically on a tablet. Yeah,
I think it's a good co and the Christian War
and I'm like, well, Bob Dylan wagon Will says.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Like, no, this song is eighteen hundred years old. Yeah,
so uh yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
I love Chris and his good Friday Nashville shows are
the best we went last year. He's got worship under
the Stars, which we talk about here. He is, which,
by the way, Chris Tomlin is tied with Taylor Swift
as the number two ranking of artists headlining Bridgestone. I
think McGraw has the number one spot. But also Chris
Tomlin's like one of the biggest touring artists in the world.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Isn't that crazy?
Speaker 3 (01:32):
It is wild because a lot of artists big in America,
not that big everywhere else. Chris Tomlin big in America,
big other places too, because the music, just Christian music
is for Christians everywhere. National man, Chris Tomlin. Here he returned.
I'm not going to read the should read the princes, No,
I should read Okay, okay. Chris Tomlin returns, episode five
(01:54):
o seven. Chris, good to see you again, man, great
to see you. Last time I saw you, I was
you know, you're one of the few people that I
wouldn't feel awkward this happening, and I did, And I
want to say this to begin with, I didn't feel award,
but my wife and I were sitting and I always
feel we're approaching a sitting table that's eating and luckily
(02:16):
we know you and you came up and we were
sitting at Urban Market. Yeah, and I was like, you
know what, one of the maybe three people that wouldn't
be awkward as we're sitting and they came and dominated
us because you're standing, You're dominating, You're over the top.
You're like, hey, how's it going, And we're looking up
at you and I'm so dominant.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
We're like, oh my goodness, this is so dominating. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
That's the last I saw you there. And we went
to your Easter show last year.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
Thank you for coming. That's I think that's our two
run ends in the past few months.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
But social media is so weird though, because I feel like,
even though I'm not, I kind of feel like I'm
still keeping up, you know, I see I'm like, yeah,
I know, chriss up to me. Of course, I was
thinking about yesterday because my in laws we're talking about
Easter and they are either going to come here to
do the show or we're going to go there to
(03:06):
Oklahoma and do something there. But the selling point was,
I know, Chris Amlin.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Was I'm just letting you know. The selling point was,
let's go the show's all And I know Chris.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
So Chris, and we'll we'll hang it. So if we win,
that's why. But if we lose, that's why it wasn't
quite strong enough.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
I like it, bro. I can't wait to see which
way goes. How you been I did good man great?
Speaker 3 (03:32):
I was looking through and I rarely will just address
the notes that I have just right off the bat,
but I just need help a little bit, okay, because sorry, no,
You're just you're killing it and it's so much I
just need I'm gonna ask questions in ways that I
don't understand about things because you're so involved in so
many really cool projects that I just need to know
(03:55):
the capacities are involved. Yeah, okay, So first House of David, Yes, okay,
so we're just talking about.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
That before you come in. Yeah yeah, okay.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
So, uh one of your songs I know it is
in the soundtrack, yeah, which is After your Heart, After
Your Heart.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
Yeah, that's all I'm involved. Okay, well, not all that
is involved. That's how I'm involved.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Okay. Yes, As approached to that in the last fall and.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
Said, hey, they're coming out with this, and I was
so excited anything about David. I mean, I could go
on and on, but I was like, are you kidding me?
This is going to be I hope they do this
well because it's going to be what insane, what an
incredible story. So yeah, man, that was I was involved,
and I was as I as I normally am in
the middle of the night. It's one of the when
(04:37):
when the ideas came, and I just I had this idea,
and I think it's one of my favorite lyrics I've
ever written. And it was the first line of the song,
and I went, I got up in the mill of
night and sing it into my phone, and it just
and it said this.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
It says, h I.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
Got a sling in one hand, I gotta I gotta
harp harp in one hand, and a sling and a
sling in the other for the battles I fight, I
fight with these. And I thought, that's that's David. And
and so I wrote this song after you. It's called
after your Heart. The Bible says David was a man
after God's own heart. And so I wrote this little
idea of of all his ups and downs, his triumphs
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and his failures and and so that was my favorite,
one of my favorite things I've.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Gotten to wright.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
Did they approach you about doing a song for it first?
And then that came as you had it on your mind?
Or is it the Yeah, it was we're making this
House of David? Do you do you have a song
about David?
Speaker 1 (05:33):
And I was like, I don't, but I've never a
song about him, But I would like the challenge.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
I guess to me, it would go in my mind,
I would go, well, which version, like which part of
the David story? Right as like the King the powerful
or David as you talk about the slang like there's
difference like Michael Jordan, do you talk about his early
years with the Bulls? Do you do when he won
three and three? Do the Wizards?
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Yes? So that to me, that would be what I
would think about. How, yeah, if I were going to
do a song about David, it's a big story. Did
they give you a parted like we want?
Speaker 1 (06:08):
And they gave zero because at that point they didn't
have a lot of guides. They're like, oh, we don't
have a lot of guides. Just kind of write something.
And you know they said, Psalm forty's taken, Psalm twenty
three is taken, and uh, which is I figured? But
like write something from just anything you think about. So
that idea of of David being, you know, the the
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worship leader of the Bible, right, he wrote the songs,
he wrote the songs of the time of of praise
to God, write the psalms. Always kid that one day
I'm going to meet David in heaven and he's gonna
have words of me, because I get a lot of
credit for things he wrote, because it's I take all
this my songs from the psalms. And so when I
when that line came, you know, that opening line, I've
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got a slinging. I've got a harp in one hand
and a sling and the other for the battles I fight.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
I fight at these. I thought, that's David.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
He was such a He was a he had a
heart for God, and he was a warrior. And that
that idea of that harp and that sling those two
things two two completely different weapons, you know, but both
one is kind of the spiritual world, you know, and
one is the physical world. And he was a he
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was a fighter in both.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
So before I move to the next thing, sorry, no,
no hearing you talk about things, I have like one
hundred questions based on what you just said. But Uh,
when I am doing comps Bible comps to myself and
people that I either want to emulate or or things
I want to avoid, I think about Saul, how pride,
how prideful Saul was, and which led which you know,
(07:46):
the diminishing king. Uh, and pride is really what cost him.
And that's that's a comp that I make that I
try not to be. Yeah, and that because again David
ends up following Saul. Yeah, you know the story. I
don't have to tell you this story.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
Well, but like it's amazing because but all would say
play the harp right because it eased him.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
And I try to I try to not be Saul. Right.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
I just read The Alchemist I have I can't remember it.
I read it so long ago. I loved it. I
loved it, and it was one of those books that
everybody's always read and or read a long time ago,
and I just never have. And I'm in a place
now my life where I kind of don't know I'm
in many ways, I am exactly where I want to be,
(08:32):
but I've never been more lost. At the same time, Yeah,
it's like this odd juxtaposition, like I know exactly who
I am, but I also have no clue more than ever.
And I was flipping through books cause I like to read.
I just finished the fiction book and I'm usually not
even a fiction reader, and I flipped like seven or eight,
and for no reason, the Alchemist came up and I
(08:53):
clicked it and read it and I read it like
a day and a half. And not that I'm a
pretty fast reader, but I was just so in. And
it's about finding your personal legend, yes, yes, yes, and
not really attached to any religion, right, because there are
references to Christ all and all, but but they make
sure to go this is not specifically related to religion, right,
(09:14):
And in that, you know, there's a pride theme.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
And I thought about just.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
This story specifically, and you talking about that just kind
of retriggered.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
Retriggered.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
That is, I try to not be Saw, like That's
what I truly, you know, I try to not and
not be Saw. David's David's an odd, remarkable, amazing story.
It's all of those, It's all of it. It's the
it's the triumph and the failure me. He failed as
big as you can fail.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
And I mean, I don't think too many people have
done worse than he's done, and yet somehow he had
this heart after God too. And so it's very relatable,
I think to anybody. I think that's why I'm so
excited they were doing something like that. It's like that
is so relatable to anyone. A lot of people's maybe
people like, well, I'm never gonna be the king of anything,
(10:06):
but that's just the power of his story and just like.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
You don't, he didn't have it altogether, you know.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
I think we look at these the especially a Bible characters,
like there's these mythical creatures like they're these saints and wow, man,
these just had so many flaws and yet to did
incredible things as well.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
I'm gonna run into something by it.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
We just talked about on a podcast last week, and
I was talking about misunderstood finger quote villains.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Yeah, and I bring up Judas.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
Oh man, Okay, we can get going on this and
so and and I was talking to one of my
friends who reads the Bible every day. Yeah, and to
most people just to name Judas because of how it's
referenced for the most part obviously is one who betrays
He betrayed Christ, and how I has suggested on a
(11:02):
microphone to my friend on second look, if Jesus is
all knowing, which he is, that had to be put
into place, Yeah, for all of it to happen, the crucifixion, So.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Judas would not have been there to begin with.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
If it weren't for Jesus. Judas betrayed Jesus just as
was predicted. Judas is seen as the betrayal.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Very much so.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
But my presentation, I wouldn't even say argument, because we
were just looking at characters fictional or nonfiction that we
have a signed attack too. We did ben Atic Arnold
and it was, but we spent a lot of time
on Judas and I really feel like, oh, Judas kind
of gets the raw end sometimes because I feel like
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he was selected to do just that, and without him
doing just that, the Crucifixion, all of it, it would
have happened.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Right.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
And so in conclusion of my mini ted talk, I said,
I feel like we should give Judas a second look
and maybe understand that Christ understood what needed to happen
for what needed to happen to happen.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
What are your thoughts on that theory.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
Let's go, let's.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
Just go deep in. This was literally on the last
podcast we did.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
Okay, so I just got to be a part of
this movie called The Last Supper. And the reason I
was interested in being a part of the movie and
helping get the word out about this movie is because
it took the different look the Last Supper. Obviously Jesus
the central character, but really it's Peter and Judas. It's
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through the lens of Peter and Judas, both of whom
you know, don't have a great part in this story
of the Last Supper. Well with Judas. What I was
so moved by is that I was is that moment
in at the scene Okay, let me, let me just
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set the scene there in Jesus like, okay, let's have
this passover meal. It's this it's it's passed over time,
and let's have this meal and get get it all together,
and just like they would normally do year after year
after year, but this time it was different. And he
began to wash their feet, and that's the famous where
he starts washing Peter's feet. He's like, what are you doing?
(13:26):
Peter's like, what are you doing? He's like, yeah, I'm
so you're I don't even I'm not even worthy to
tell your sandals.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
What are you doing?
Speaker 1 (13:31):
And she's like, this is I'm showing you, I'm serving you,
and this is what I want you to do others
and he washes Judas and he's and you're like and
then there's and I was really struck by the movie.
I was like, I was like, I've been I've been
a follower of Jesus. I've been a Christian most of
my life since i was a kid, and I've studied
and I've read the Bible and I've heard all the stories,
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and yeah, I saw it a brand new again because
I saw this moment where Jesus changes the whole thing
and he takes the bread as he normally would pass around,
but this time he breaks it and he's like, this
is my body.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
Actually I'm about to be broken for you in it.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
And you see the guys, you see these disciples, you
see these brothers, these friends, they're just friends, right. We
know him as the Saint Thomas and Saint Matthew and
sat these were just these were normal guys and they're
trying to figure it out. And which is crazy is
most of them I learned through this Most of them
were teenagers or early twenties. So think about that, they're
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eighteen nineteen years old and this they're about to change
the entire world. And Jesus like, he changes the whole thing.
He's like, I'm breaking this, and he starts handing the
bread because this is actually my body. And they're just
they're looking a each other like, whoa, this is different.
This is not how this normal goes. And he takes
the cup and he's like, and this is my blood.
This was about to happen.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
And when you once you remember me when you do this.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
And yet he and he but he gives the bread
and he's he gives it, and Judas and Peter are there,
and I'm thinking I just saw it brand new because
I'm thinking, Wow, this is the picture the forgiveness of
God that all for me, for you, for everybodyho's listening
to this. How powerful that even though Jesus knew what
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was coming, he knew that he was about to go
to the cross, they did not understand. They were still
trying to figure it out, like what was he talking about.
He's like, it's all coming down to it's all about
to happen. I'm about to be killed for the sins
of the world. And yet he knew that one of them.
He's looking at one of them, and you're going to
deny me. You're about to I know you're going to
go and say, even though you say you're gonna be
(15:37):
with me till the end, you're about to say you don't.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
Even know who I am.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
When a little girl asks you, aren't you with him?
And you're gonna say, no, I don't even know who
that is. And then Judas, you're about to go for
some money, turn me in, And that kind of what
you're kind of getting at, that to me shows the
side of the Gospel, of the good News, of this message.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
It puts it.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
In a in a powerful way of like, man, Jesus
knew this, like you said, and yet he's he's like,
I'm doing this for you.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
You know I know what you're about to do. This
is still for you.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
And that's man that And then when I saw I
saw myself, I just saw myself in that in those guys.
How much in me is is a man. Sometimes I'm
Peter and I'm the bodyguard Jesus. I will no one's
gonna take you. I will go with you to the end.
And then I found myself through my actions, through my
words denying him. I found myself betraying. I find myself
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in the same place. And so I think that's why
that that picture is there, is to help people, to
help me and to help us remember that this was this,
This was for This is for those who were going
to betray into into wrong Jesus, and yet it was
for them and for the for the world, for all
of us because we're all in that basket, none of us.
(16:52):
It may look a little bit different, but we're all
in that in that basket with those guys. And so
that that's been such a a beautiful picture reminder to
me this this kind of this Easter season, because of
being a part of that movie and helping get that
made and showing that picture to people again of just
how that moment.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
So would you support my theory of since Jesus is
all knowing and he knew that he was going to
do it and that needed to happen, that he I
don't think he should just be universally be the bad guy.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3 (17:26):
You don't have to agree, by the way, you can
you can totally no, no, no, A year a moron, because
I hear that.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
All day, all day, every day. That's all I hear
all day, not I think, I mean, there's not.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
No, there's not a lot of people been named Judas
since then, and.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
Exactly a couple of names that have died Judas ate off.
There have been a few of these that we just
don't do anymore. Yes, Judas bonesy No, none, none of that.
Judas Bones is not happening. But yeah, there is. There's
a reason for that. But yes, I mean it was.
That was part of the plan and Judas was Yeah,
Jesus part the plant. And so I will say this,
(17:59):
and this is not to be over spiritual, but if
we throw Judas away, we must well throw everybody else away.
Exactly my point. That's what over spiritual. That's just talking
about the topic we're talking about. Yeah, it's you know,
because who any of us? Who?
Speaker 2 (18:13):
Who? Who has it?
Speaker 3 (18:14):
Toget who wouldn't Well, I see a bit again. I say,
I try to be sold about. I want to be
more David. But there's definitely Sall on me. There's definitely
David in me. There's definitely Judas. We all it's it's this,
we're all that For me, I'm just trying to push
down the ones that the characteristics I don't like, and
really trying to accentuate the ones that I do. Yes,
(18:34):
you did no Greater Love for the Last Supper? Yes,
And that you're in credits is a different song and
you know it's no Gary Love is and in credits,
so that is that's when it airs.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
Yes, how much of it? Do they run the whole song?
And are you mad people walk out during your song? Exactly?
Speaker 3 (18:50):
I'm like, this is the only I just want to say, hey, guys,
wait because as soon as starts trolling on, everybody's getting up.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
I'm like, wait, wait, wait, let's please listen to this song.
Did they they run the wholesome? They run the all song? Yeah?
And did they tell you write a song for it?
Or did you have it?
Speaker 1 (19:04):
That's how I got involved with the movie. Obviously it
started with music. They didn't come to me, Hey, we
know you make.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
Great movies, because that's never happened. And the first started
with music. And these guys, the producers and people putting
this movie together, said you have any music for this,
any song for this that could work. And I said, well,
let me see the can I see this screening of it?
That showed me kind of this the idea of what
they had so far, and I was like, I really
like this, Like would you like to be involved in
(19:28):
a greater way? And I was like, I was like yeah,
And I was like, I think I have a song.
And so the crazy thing is I had just gone
out to some valley, Idaho.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
Tyler Hubbard had asked me and a couple of songwriters
he wanted to put together a little songwriting camp together
out out there at Ernest Hemingway's house. Mattgic it's a
part of that, right, yes, yeah, one of our buddies here, Yeah,
Matt and Corey Crowder and Magic.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
It's Tyler Hubbard.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
Hey, would you get wet to come out and we're
gonna write at Ernest Hemingway's place.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
I was like, oh my gosh, that'd be so cool.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
And it's this obviously it's historical landmark and you can
use the basement and a lot of poets come and
write poetry there, something and things. So we were writing
and I thought, oh, this is my chance to you know,
write some country music, and that's be fun. I don't
ever get in that lane hardly ever. And as soon
as I get there, they're like, hey, we want to
write a song with you. I write like in your World.
I'm like okay. I was like okay, and they're like
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and Matt Jenkins said, you know, I've just been thinking
about this.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
Line.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
I've been thinking about this verse no greater Love and
John fifteen he just said, he said, no greater love
than this, that a man laid down his life for
his friends.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
This is in January. Okay.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
He's like, I'm thinking, I just keep thinking about that verse,
there's no greater love than a man laid down his
life for his friends. And have you read Have you
never a song like that? It's like, I don't.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
He said, what about that? So let's do it?
Speaker 1 (20:51):
And so we wrote this song, no Greater Love, and
had this made this demo and it's really beautiful. I
think it's a powerful, powerful lyric and the idea of
trading the crown of Jesus, trading the kind of the
crown of glory for crown of thorns and just this
the sacrifice right. And a couple of weeks later, I
get approached with this movie do you guys, have you
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have a song that could work with this? And I
was like Wow, I think this I've played on this song.
I was like, I got this demo. I haven't played
for anybody. I just wrote this song with some friends.
Let me play this demo, and.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
They're like, this is the song, this is perfect for this.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
So it was one of those moments where I feel
like things were lined up and I was like, let's
do it. So I got involved in not just a
song for the movie, but just just helping shape a.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
Little bit more. That's pretty cool.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
Yeah, it's like your world's are you're expanding? Yes, oh
so so fun. But the expansion is cool because it's
you're getting involved in things by doing what you already do.
Yeah right, yeah, but it's yes, other things. Yeah, it's
just really cool to see the growth of like what
you do and how it's incorporated into other projects.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
And it was natural for me.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
You know, it's not like a movie or a subject
I don't know anything about. So it was really good,
Like this worked for me because it's like, yeah, I do.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
I would love to share more about this and help
people see.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
The Good Friday Show was so good last year. The
first time i'd been was it was awesome and uh,
but you know, frankly speaking, I was like, I want
to go. I think it's going to be good. I
like Chris, so I hope it's good because if not,
it's gonna be kind of awkward. If I'm like, I'm not going.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
To tell you it's not, I wouldn't be like, man,
lackluster show. Huh.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
But it's always weird to watch your because I don't
know you in that way, meaning I know what you do,
I know your music.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
I've never been to a concert.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
I don't go to anybody's concerts anymore because either I'm
on the road or I'm asleep.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
That's it. And so we go. We were very excited
about it, and it was it was it was awesome.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
Thank you, yeah, and thank you You've done what I've found.
If I'm remembering this correct, I think you said that
night you were like, we're doing it again next year?
Speaker 2 (22:50):
And then I don't do you put tickets on sale?
Speaker 3 (22:52):
Right? Then this thing's sold out? So that back to
the Gills. Is it sold out again? This year?
Speaker 2 (22:57):
Sold out? By I dinna bring my in laws though?
Do you have do you have a couple of extra
in case we decided to come?
Speaker 3 (23:02):
I know some people so we can get you, we
can get you in.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
Where's the fun thing?
Speaker 3 (23:05):
Man?
Speaker 1 (23:05):
Is that we sold This is the earliest it's ever
sold out this year and it's our ninth year. And
what I love about it is I didn't market there's
no marketing of anything. It just says good Friday in Nashville.
There's no names on the poster. No one even knows
who's going to play because I have it's surprises or
but in the past I have said, hey, it's me
and here's a few people, and then I have surprises.
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This year, I didn't even put anybody on there, and
so that is really special to me that people just
want to come. They know it's going to be a
special night and they just want to be there. And
it's filled up and it's going to be I can
tell you it's going to be incredible.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
It's all.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
It's gonna be the night of nights. If you're if
you can, it's gonna be streamed. If you can't, if
you're can't get to Nashville or not there. But it's
it's a really beautiful night.
Speaker 4 (23:48):
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and we're back on the Bobby cast.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
I want to ask you a question about your job. Yes,
we both love our jobs. Our jobs are a massive
part of who we are. Hopefully they're not all of
who we are, right But being so immersed in your work,
how do you keep it fresh, especially something that is
(24:25):
thousands of years old? How are you able to constantly
keep it fresh? In the music side of things, Sure,
anything creative, anything, because.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
You can go hymns.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
I mean we can walk through even Yeah, you know
the eighties and nineties and when I started to from Carmen,
I'd go to Carmen Show's or you do Jars.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
Of Klay Newsboys, all of that.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
Like, there has been Yeah Christian music and always yeah sonically,
but the message is the same. So how do you
make it different when it's kind of the message should
remain somewhat the same.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
Yeah, that's a great question. I mean I think it's
just been something that I didn't first of all. And
I mean this, I never chose this. I feel like
it chose me. This is something that I feel called
to since I was a kid, and it's a it's
like a burning passion in me. I never thought it
would be music. I thought it would be something to
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help people connect with God. I didn't know it would
be music, but so that this, this, this whatever, this
pool inside of me as is something that I didn't
I don't have to keep trying to keep going.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
It's just it's always there, like angles on songs.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
Because even in country music, which is always evolving and
changing and you have so much more to work with,
it feels like than the message. Even these guys here,
my friends are like, we keep writing the same song
over and over again. We just got to find a
slightly different way.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
Yeah, you're doing it on something that's been running over
for thousands of years, thousands of years, and I just
got which we can get into. I just got to
be a part of a song that's literally eighteen hundred
years old. It will be the earliest song ever ever
found in our faith that we're just we're about to
put out. It's a whole another, it's a documentary everything.
It's insane. We can get to that.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
But this is.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
Yeah, it's always trying to help people. Here's what I
try to do for me. It's help.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
I've always said I want to help people see. If
I can help people see and then they'll sing the
more you see the more you sing. And what I
mean by that is, if for me and my songs,
if I can help give people a picture in their heart,
in their mind of God's goodness, his grace, his mercy,
his forgiveness, his glory, and write that in a way
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that helps people see, then.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
You can't help but praise. If I can help people.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
See it, and then then they'll they'll praise God. And
for me, it's always been about I think the beautiful
thing is is it's always been about the song for me,
helping people connect with the song. It's not been about, Hey,
I've got to build my brain, and to me, I've
never tried to do that.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
I've just tried to help. I've tried to hopefully just
the song is.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
The song is what this is the star, The song
is what is connects with people and so it's it's
it's just pushing for the best songs possible. And you know,
just lately with this song Holy Forever, it's been another
moment like I've had these moments along with this.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
It's almost almost.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
Thirty years now, man, thirty years of touring and traveling,
and I've had these moments, these like these little marking
moments of like these songs that I can just look
and goues that was the kind of temple in that
in that moment and this and to be this far
along and have it and God give me a song
like Holy Forever that's really connected around the world again.
(27:43):
And it's been so it's been so special. And I
can tell you when when we were when it was
writing it, I was thinking, Okay, this feels like I
always I never feel this, but when I felt, I
sent a text to a friend of mine said, I
feel like this song is going to be really really
special in some way and I and it's been.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
It's been, It's been incredible.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
If I wrote songs like you, I would send every
song to a different friend so I could always say
I texted this song to a friend and knew it
was going to be special, so I wouldn't be lying.
I would just text different friends all one song. I'd
be like, this song, you have it down, it's on record.
I have said this song is a very special. Yeah, yeah, whenever,
because I want to hear the story about this song
that yeah. But to me, there wagon will which was
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I could Bob Dylan semi finished demo that existed randomly
was never put out in the catch from old Crow
finishes writing it, yes, and then wagon will becomes massive.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
They do it, then Darius does it.
Speaker 3 (28:41):
So that's a version of of a story that I
think of when it's like an old song that isn't
totally done is then finished and then is I want.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
Saya but just but relevant? Yes?
Speaker 3 (28:54):
Right, brought back to life? Yes, So give me your
version of this that you're talking about. This song is
six hundred years.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
Old, teen hundred years old. So I got to approach
this this year.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
I mean this last fall with this guy from his
name is Ben Fielding and he's he's a songwriting friend.
He said, hey, I want to connect you with this
with this friend of mine. He's this he's a brainiac.
His name is John Dickinson and he's he's from Australia.
And he said, I've got this song. I've got I
want somebody to bring this song back. He goes, there
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was this piece of scrap paper that was found in Egypt,
in this a town called oxy Reinos in Egypt, and
he said, it's in a vault in Oxford. Now it's
and it's just a little piece of scrap paper and
it's the earliest known him. I just known song with
musical notation, has musical notation on the notation makes no
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sense to us. I don't even understand what it is.
But it's in that time and it's dated to the
third century, so the two hundreds, and this is and
it's a piece of a hymn and it's missing about
they said, missing about ten to twelve words, but it's
got like twenty five thirty words on it and they're
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beautiful and they're powerful. He said, we've translated, and it's translated,
and here is the old melody. And I can't really
it's it's really interesting melody. But the like, would you
and Ben this other songwriter friend, would y'all be interested
in maybe bringing this to life again and bringing this
back and bringing this hymn? And he said, we're making
a document documentary because there's so many things about this
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hymn they're special, and so we did, and so it
releases in a week from now and it's called the
First Hymn And the lyrics are beautiful.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
I think this week, Mike, right, because it's daring this Yeah,
So it's out this Friday.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
Yeah, or is it right now. I think it'll be
out now.
Speaker 3 (30:46):
Hey, it's out now, it's out now, it's out now. Okay,
it's out now.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
So the first hymn, and when you hear this, here's
here's here's some I wish I could tell the backstory
for everybody who listens this, but's here's a song. But
here's why this is such a big deal is to
think about these words that are being sung are not
only I mean almost almost two thousand years old. This
would have been the grandkids of the disciples, right, This
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had been that generation, and this is what they were singing.
This was a time when those who that were spreading
this message of Christianity would have been killed. They were
trying to wipe Christianity out. This is under incredible persecution.
So obviously it's anonymous. Did these guys who wrote this
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or make it or were singing this, did they even
make it?
Speaker 2 (31:36):
Who knows? But would they ever.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
Dream that wherever they were in their little cave singing
this song together or their little house together, that eighteen
hundred years from now, that this would be on a
thing called Spotify or Apple Music and people be starting
to sing this in the church, be starting to sing
this again. That's powerful to me. There's a couple of things.
There's the last line of the hymn, says and to
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the you wrote or there's on there, that's on there,
he says, to the only Giver of all good gifts,
I'm in, I'm in. And the guy the this historian
who said why this was so important is in that
day and time, pagan worship mostly to Zeus and other
gods would to to worship them. To go into any
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kind of worship service, quote unquote, you would start with
to the Giver of all good gifts. And that's how
all the worship would start to the Giver of all
good gifts, he says. And for this, for this little
ragtag remnant of people to end their song with to
the only Giver of all good gifts was quite a
it was just such a pushback to society and culture.
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And it's it's powerful and I think that it's a
it's just a powerful thing. And I and it's just
so to be a part of that. And like you said,
to what kind of music, what kind of songs have
that kind of history? You know, I was thinking about this,
just this long line of of of songs and music
that we just try to keep carrying on throughout the ages.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
Is so special.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
One are the music notes look like because yeah, they
look like they look a little bit like they almost
look like Chinese characters or something like that.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
Not like the stick with the fat little moment, not
like that, not like that.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
In the melody we have a you hear a girl
singing this week, we brought in this Egyptian girl just
to the hook. Is the is the ancient melody? And
ah I mean, I mean the word I'm in. But
they would sing it all together. Ah I mean, I mean, ah,
I mean, and so we have this guitar line and
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she's singing that over and so again. Most people hear
that will not have any context for it. But that
is that literally, that melody was eighteen hundred years ago.
When you finished that, did I don't know?
Speaker 2 (34:00):
What does that feel like? Because you're just kind of
redid it? I mean I was.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
It's a little bit of trembling because I was like,
I just want to carry I want to carry this
well out. I mean, I want to get it right.
I want to do the very best I can. And
with such a gift, such a song that you know,
was meant a lot to those people and means a
lot today.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
And so yeah, I was. You just never know. I
never know. Songs are look, this is going to be.
Speaker 3 (34:28):
This is it?
Speaker 1 (34:29):
You know, but especially something like this. She's like, this
is the best I can do, and I hope, I
hope it does a justice.
Speaker 3 (34:36):
So the first him you can listen to it, but
also the it's on Wonder the platform, Wonder if you
want to watch the documentary. What if we're going to
throw this at you? What if they find an older song?
And now this is now the second hymn?
Speaker 2 (34:48):
Have you thought about that?
Speaker 3 (34:49):
I definitely have, because all of a sudden I have,
And so I went back ten times. It's like, should
we really call this that person? Because obviously there's the psalms.
The songs are older than that, sure, and.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
But this is the first ever, it is the first
song ever found with musical notation, and it's to find
they said, the chances of finding something would be who knows,
hundreds of years from now, and so then I I
won't have to deal with it something else, but they'll.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
Just be my luck.
Speaker 3 (35:18):
Though they find another one like a week after we're
done it, and it's a week earlier. Yeah, and it's
like the real first him and I'm like, oh man,
this is from the fifties, yes, the year fifty. I
feel like there would be an immense pressure on you
to love Christmas, to love Christmas, not even for the
Jesus element, just you just need to like embrace Christmas.
And if you're not Chris Christmas, I mean your name
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is Chris and Christmas. Tomlin, Yeah, I feel like there's
a pressure that you got to be mister Christmas just
around the house. No, not definitely, not around the house,
but like the biggest light displayed, like you gotta be.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
Do you feel that pressure? Hilarious? Love?
Speaker 3 (35:58):
I love how this goes. Where do we went from
here to Christmas?
Speaker 2 (36:02):
Like that that quick?
Speaker 3 (36:03):
Well, I just think when you're talking about things, I'm like,
you know, in my mind, I've got eight things one
at once, Like and We've had the discussion where I
think everybody X like like they have to be on
their p's and q's around you because.
Speaker 2 (36:13):
You'll just literally call God and be like and tell
on them.
Speaker 3 (36:16):
Like I told you that last time that people they
probably act in a way towards you where they can't
be themselves and I found myself the victim of that
because we're having a party and I told Caitlin, I
was like, hey, let's invite Chris.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
But we were doing like Casino night. I was like,
I wish gonnavite.
Speaker 3 (36:27):
Chrismas you know, and then she goes, you're doing exactly
what you would. You said, I loved thank you for
your so yes, and so I'm okay. So yeah, Christmas.
I love Christmas.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
I love it anyway, but yes I do. I'm not
mister Christmas, but yeah, I've I love it. I love
the music Christmas, I love I love everything about it,
Like you have.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
To be the best present giver of all the nephew.
Speaker 3 (36:49):
I would just think that that would be the pressure
I would put on myself because that's what you're out
constantly singing the word. Yeah, and what's more the word
than Christmas? And I'm on tour every Christmas. I do
a Christmas tour every Christmas. Yeah. Yeah, the gifts would
have to be a plus if I were known for Christmas.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (37:08):
Now I'm known for my vision, so that's a pretty
easy one. Yeah, because I can just be like I'm blind,
you know, so I don't really have anything that I
have to do. But when do you When do you
put up the Christmas tree at your house?
Speaker 2 (37:19):
The Christmas tree is right after Thanksgiving? Okay, so that's normal. Yeah,
that's boring.
Speaker 3 (37:26):
We should change that you should do like when you
text all your friends, this one is that you should do.
Speaker 2 (37:30):
July fifth, and you're like, you're like it, you know,
follow me July fifth. So I feel like, guys, Christmas
every day.
Speaker 5 (37:39):
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Bobby Cast.
Speaker 3 (37:54):
I feel like there's a really common thread between country
music and Christian music. I used the word, I'll use
the term very wide open Christian music. I feel it's
a very common threat. I think country music is very
much based and it's belief in God, and I think
that's why so many artists, yeah, are drawn to you.
And I think the project that you did with a
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lot of the country artists, I would imagine those were
all pretty quick yess.
Speaker 1 (38:20):
Yeah, it was really fun man, it was Yeah. It
was something that I wasn't even trying to do. I
think we talked about that, but I wasn't even trying
to do it. It just it was just happened through
just natural relationship and just a relationships started happening and
started we should we should smash up our genres.
Speaker 2 (38:33):
It's all because it's come from this.
Speaker 1 (38:34):
Obviously, country music came from the church, and you got
the rhymen, which is a church. You got the whole
thing comes out of the church. Rock and roll camp,
everything comes out of the church. You want to talk,
if you want to get really going as far as
art and everything like that, obviously that's where it all
came from. It goes its other way, but yeah, I mean, yeah,
it's so so close.
Speaker 2 (38:53):
We went to Austria. My wife and I did never
been to Austria before, so we went to Austria and it.
Speaker 3 (38:57):
Is amazing, right, growing up, didn't go anywhere, right, so
now it's like I'm just trying to go see stuff.
Speaker 2 (39:03):
And we go into a church that was two thousand
years old whatever it was, I mean, it was almost there.
Speaker 3 (39:13):
That's when I feel history, That's when I feel like
the gravity of existence. And I've been into a couple
of churches like that, but we went into one in
Austria that was like you like to fill your guts.
Moved around a little bit because of everything that has
happened underneath that roof. You ever go when you're traveling internationally,
do you ever go look at some of these really
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old worship I'll just call them places a worship.
Speaker 1 (39:36):
Yeah, yeah, let me kind of tell you about one, please,
and it'll be you're like, well, duh, but no, I
was in Israel and I got to go to the
site of the cross. And now in Israel, if you've been,
you know what I'm talking about. If you haven't, I haven't,
so I'm not gonna know. They build churches over everything.
So it's not what you think in your mind, because
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they've made the the church came, the Catholic Church came
and built just to memorialize it or church enshrine the place.
Speaker 2 (40:04):
Built these churches over these places.
Speaker 1 (40:06):
So you're going inside a church to see like where
the cross was or the tomb into tomb, and you're
one of these huge, huge.
Speaker 2 (40:12):
Churches and they're ancient, ancient, ancient.
Speaker 1 (40:15):
But at the side of the cross there was a
place they have the stone where they where they say
and that Jesus was laid when they took him off
the cross. This is the stone where Joseph would have
taken him off of arimathea, and they laid him down
to dress the body. And you're talking about this is
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something I'll never forget because here's what I saw is
I saw this was a normal day in the line
of people that were lined up, I mean hundreds of
people for hours. And I looked at our tour guide
and I was like, is this suck this every day?
And he said, obviously not now for the wars things
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like that. He goes, this was a few years ago.
He said, it's every day. And when it was every
kind of person, Bobby, it was like people, it was
like beautiful African dress, it was Asian, it was it,
it was poor, it was rich. It was like every
kind of person you can think of and look and
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looks like lined up. And I watched and as everyone
approached that stone, and I watched these ladies just kneel
at that stone and just I mean, and and kiss
that stone. And I thought, wow, it just it was
a little picture of heaven for me. I was like, wow,
this is you know, sometimes we think heaven looks like
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America or something like that. Maybe it's like it looks
nothing like that. This is this was the whole world.
This was a Tuesday in the world, every kind of
person's lined up, and He's like every day they line
people in this line just to stand there and just
to just to kiss the stone where Jesus was laid.
And it was one of the you're talking about everything
inside you moving. I just stood over to the side
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and just watched and just watched and just watch people
in their active worship really just come and kneel there
and just thank God and just you could tell people
and they would just some people would pray. Some people
would just have a moment and just stop and think
and just pray. And you can tell their their their
gratitude and their heart. And I was like, man, what
a picture of what a beautiful picture of heaven. So
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when I when I get to travel, I try to
go to these places and just so moved.
Speaker 3 (42:31):
Worship has gone through. We talked about this a bit,
like stylistic changes over the past twenty years from when
you started, which isn't because again it's not like you
were seven doing this, No, you know, your origin is
not that like it was a bit later. Yeah, Stylistically,
what have you seen change in concert?
Speaker 2 (42:50):
Like live live?
Speaker 3 (42:52):
I don't just wanna say music because it's more of
an experience. But with Christian music, what have you seen
stylistically change in the past twenty years?
Speaker 1 (42:59):
Oh my goodness, so much. What's so much more popular
I think across our country and it's so much. It
continues to grow, which is awesome as far as the
live experience and concert But I would say from when
I started, it was a little simple songs of a
chorus and that's what was like shaking the church. It's like, oh, mysh,
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these guys are these guys are radical. They're singing a
with a guitar and don't bring the drums. It was
it was it was still literally that still like don't
don't bring the drums and uh, okay, we'll let the guitar.
Speaker 2 (43:34):
But that's that's pushing it.
Speaker 1 (43:36):
And now you know churches are filled with uh, just
modern music and it's and that's that's how it's changed.
But in a way, but I still feel people, I
still I still see still, even even the younger generations,
you still see people longing for the simplicity, longing for
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not all the lights and the sound and the everything,
but but more of just what's real. I think, more
than anything, more than anything now people are just learning
what is what is real? Don't don't just put on
a show, but what is what is really real? People
are longing for what's real, and that's what That's what
I try to hopefully get people in my concerts and
and my other friends as well as show people what's real.
(44:19):
And but yeah, I mean it's it's definitely progressed a lot, especially.
Speaker 2 (44:24):
In the church.
Speaker 4 (44:25):
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Speaker 3 (44:39):
When you say what's real, what I think about is
and I think you're referring to like authenticity, meaning you're
not up. And I think in part of what I
do as well, like if I'm up and I'm perfect
and shiny, that's not real. And I can act like
a better version of what I am, but that is
not going to resonate. It may feel better to me
to be like, look at me, life's great, got it
all figured out, follow along and again for my ego,
(45:03):
that might feel pretty good, but I also know that
people are not going to connect with that. They're actually
going to connect with me when it's like, yeah, I
stuck at this, I struggle with this.
Speaker 2 (45:11):
Yes, I'm good at this I and I when.
Speaker 3 (45:14):
You say that, that's what I hear, like, if you're
able to share not just the glossy part of life
or worship.
Speaker 1 (45:21):
Exactly, because no one that doesn't help anybody. And that's
what I think when I say, people are looking longing
for the truth, long for real. Don't just put on
just don't don't gloss everything over and like, oh everything
is good. You give your life to God and everything's roses.
It's man, it's life is hard, life is unfair. Life
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is comes at everybody in such hard ways. And but
what do you have in those moments? I heard somebody
recently say, you know, when the storms come, it separates
the players from the pretenders.
Speaker 2 (45:54):
And that's the truth in life.
Speaker 1 (45:56):
When the storms come, that separates everybody from those who
are pretending and those who are really there, who are
really like and and that is that hit me, you
know that's then that's that's that's his oldest Jesus teachings.
Speaker 3 (46:10):
Right.
Speaker 1 (46:10):
You can build your house on the rock, you build
your house in the sand, and the storms come, one's
gonna stay, one's gonna crumble. And that's I think that's
what people are looking for. And when I say real,
that's what I mean.
Speaker 2 (46:21):
How long you been married? Fourteen years? What's what's what's
what's the key? Yeah, the key is I'm sorry, well
you forgive me. That is the key. I mean, that
is the key.
Speaker 1 (46:38):
The key is just pretty is pride pushing pride down,
pushing Saul, Yeah, pushing Saul away of like I you know,
I deserve this or I rule this or whatever it's.
It's that's the key I think is and I there's
good days, and there's and there's days. I'm so blessed
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by Lauren because she's just so honest and so on me.
Speaker 2 (47:05):
It makes me better.
Speaker 3 (47:07):
And it's funny you lead with honest because my wife's
and I'm ten years behind you. Is why I asked that,
like in marriage, what we've married four four plus years?
And yeah, my wife's honest. But sometimes that doesn't feel good,
but it's greater, like it's it's needed. But she's like
the first person that I trust to be honest with me.
(47:30):
But sometimes it doesn't feel good. And the key for
me so far has been when you said that, it
resonated like crazy has been not to be so defensive.
Speaker 2 (47:41):
So quick, Yeah, so easy. I get so defensive me too,
and to understand that do you know all that I'm doing?
Do you know?
Speaker 3 (47:49):
Do you know?
Speaker 2 (47:50):
Do you know what's coming at me? Do you know
all the things? I mean? Instantly? And then it's like
that that does not work. That does not work, and.
Speaker 3 (47:58):
You have to.
Speaker 1 (48:00):
And can you catch yourself? And sometimes it takes me,
you know, twenty minutes. Sometimes it might take me a
couple of days, like, Okay, what am I doing? I'm
really in a bad place here in my pride and
in my defensiveness. And yeah, my wife is smarter than
I am, which sucks, It does sucks.
Speaker 3 (48:18):
I mean, it's awesome, but it's the same, right, It's
like your strength is your greatest weakness, your way. But
it's like she she's smarter than I am. She's funnier
than I am. She's funnier than I am in a
world where I'm celebrated for being funny. And what drives
me insane is that she has no need or desire
to monetize it none.
Speaker 2 (48:39):
She does not want to be published. I'm like, you're
wasting this talent. Look at this god given talent you
have and it's just sitting here. Yeah, No, and now
you know that.
Speaker 3 (48:48):
But for her, I also can accept her honesty most
of the time and what I'm creating, and I think
that's been so valuable, but very hard, especially at first. Yes,
so she would tell me a joke wasn't funny, I
be like, will you write it? And the first time
she did and we wrote it, I was humbled. I
couldn't have been more humbled. Wow, oh yeah, it's a
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terrible it's a terrible day, but a great day. But
I was like, okay, if you think it's I did
the Opry and so I'm doing the opera. I played
Operty fifteen times or so. But like one of the
times I did the Opry, I'm up and I'm telling
a joke and I came off, and I'm just ready
to be celebrated. Wait, a great job, great job. Just
the natural you walk off stage. Part of it is, hey,
everybody tell me how got I did? Even if I
don't consciously say that, that's just of course you come off. Yeah,
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that's the expectation, because that's what happens a lot of times.
Speaker 2 (49:36):
They're just like, oh, you did great. And we walk
off and we get in the car, and she was like,
I said, hey, how do you think I went? And
she goes. I thought it was fine. She goes, but
and she.
Speaker 3 (49:44):
Alluded to one part of the set. She was like,
that was too low hanging fruit for you, And I said, oh, oh,
I was shocked. I was like, ohh, I was like what.
Speaker 2 (49:56):
Yes, she was like, there was too low. You're better
than that. You can do better than that.
Speaker 3 (50:01):
I'm telling you this is like seven minutes after I'm
off stage. I'm in the car ready to be my wife,
who I love more than he'd be, like, oh, the
best year. I let what everything you do is delightful.
And so she's like, yeah, it's that fruits tool you get.
Speaker 2 (50:14):
You got to do better.
Speaker 3 (50:16):
And I'm like, well, then you do it. And she's like, well,
I'm not the one that's whatever. We get home and
like twenty minutes later she'd rewritten and it was better
and I use and I used it.
Speaker 2 (50:25):
Am I special? And that hurt and it hurt.
Speaker 3 (50:30):
But again that that was a very minor storm, like
you're talking about the storms right, yes, like that was
a that was a single cell organism storm, yes, but
was much stronger after And it's.
Speaker 2 (50:43):
Made me better at realizing Ah I need that honesty. Yeah,
in many ways.
Speaker 3 (50:49):
And it's not just that like that's the funny version
of it, but even in like I never grew up
with a family, like I don't have I don't have family.
You never have a family to have Christmas Eve with,
Like her family bizarre foreign, not because they do anything weird.
They're not naked or anything, but it's like I never
did family together. Yeah, it's everybody being together. You're like
watching a movie having waking all of it.
Speaker 2 (51:11):
And that was really difficult for me. And it's still
foreign to me.
Speaker 3 (51:14):
But my wife, And the reason I ask about the
wife is because I know and I just wonder how
because we're similar, you're creating, you have to be constant.
Speaker 2 (51:26):
Yes, how your wife affects you in that situation?
Speaker 1 (51:30):
Yeah, she makes me. What she has done is made
me such a better present to people. I don't know
if she's really affected the music as much, but it's
just the way I am with people, the way I
connect with people, the way I talk with people, the
way I understand things.
Speaker 2 (51:47):
She's helped me so much that I did not before.
Speaker 1 (51:50):
And most of my friends who have been with me,
you know, I mean, I've got bandmates, right, that have
been with me long way longer I've been married. They've
known me longer than and all of them would say,
you're such a better person, saying you're such a better person.
And so that's that's that's amazing, you know, And that's
and and that's marriage. Marriage is it's, it's it's it's
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no one, no one says marriage is easy, but it
is a refining refine. It's such a refining thing. And
you know, I'm so grateful for her and for my
girls and three daughters, and they're amazing.
Speaker 2 (52:27):
Worship under the Stars.
Speaker 3 (52:28):
You're doing you're doing the series, so a couple of
days in July and then in October.
Speaker 2 (52:34):
And by the way, it's in New York Baltimore doing
Red Rocks. That's cool.
Speaker 3 (52:38):
Yes, not that they're not all cool, but that's that's cool.
That's in Central Park. It's my first time there too.
Oh yeah, that's cool too.
Speaker 2 (52:44):
And they're all cool. That's my point. They're all cool.
Red Rocks, the Red Rocks. That's difficol. So what what's
what's happening here?
Speaker 1 (52:52):
Which, you know, I just sometimes the settings are just
so beautiful when it comes especially when it comes to
music everybod settings are make music so great. But when
it comes to especially when worship music, when you have
beautiful settings, like when you're playing I played Red Rocks
several times and always say, if you cannot, if you
cannot help people connect with God at Red Rocks, you've
(53:13):
got serious. You don't need to be you need to
go sell houses or something, because you don't need to
be in music, right because you just it's already the
setting is so incredible.
Speaker 2 (53:22):
And so yeah, we want to put.
Speaker 1 (53:23):
Together some nights of just beautiful settings, beautiful evenings, good
beautiful places, and have these beautiful nights so call worship
under the Stars.
Speaker 2 (53:30):
And maybe maybe it grows from here.
Speaker 3 (53:32):
But this is our first three and the Pier six
and Baltimore was this beautiful thing out in the Harbor
Central Park and then Red Rocks and it's gonna be
it's gonna be awesome. I want to end with this,
and I want to indulge myself with a story from me. First,
like five or six years ago I decided, may may
be longer than that now, maybe ten years ago, I
(53:54):
don't know. I decid I'm not gonna curse anymore. You
used to love cursing used to be mused to be
really great at it Olympic sports. For the Olympic sport,
that's something I was gonna meddle. Yeah, I was gonna
meddal challenged.
Speaker 2 (54:04):
Yeah, I was good at it. And I thought I'm
done cursing.
Speaker 3 (54:08):
And not for any sort of moral reason, but because
I didn't want to have it as a crutch when creating.
So if I'm writing jokes, radio show, I was writing books, yes,
I didn't want to be because it can be funny,
it can also be a crutch that you use whenever
you're not funny.
Speaker 2 (54:26):
And I wanted to challenge myself.
Speaker 3 (54:27):
So I really haven't sad a curse word in ten
years or so, and so not as a celebration of myself.
But then when people say a bad word around me,
they'll be like, oh, I'm sorry. I start story because
they know I don't curse, and I'm like, no, good
Like I used to if people curse.
Speaker 2 (54:42):
Around you, I feel like they'd be like, oh my goodness,
I'm so sorry.
Speaker 1 (54:45):
Chris really bothers me. It bothers me, It bothers the
heck out of it. Yeah, when people say that, Yeah,
when they're like so apologetic. It doesn't bother me, and
people curse.
Speaker 2 (54:52):
Let me say that.
Speaker 1 (54:53):
It bothers me when people think that for some reason
because I do what I do again, that they that
that feels weird. I'm just like, come on, man, we're
that's normal. I feel the same way. May not say
it the same way, right, feel the same way. And yeah,
it's always It's always bugged me so much, and I
(55:13):
always all, you like, come on.
Speaker 2 (55:14):
I always like, come on, bro, don't say that. Same
like I am. I'm good. I've heard it before.
Speaker 3 (55:18):
Same, but I wonder up to have it. And I knew,
Like you're playing golf and someone's like, ah, bleep, they're
probably oh sorry, sorry, sorry sorry, Yeah, like you.
Speaker 2 (55:28):
Still play, you're playing, yes, and you're coming. I know
I haven't played. I heard my shoulder bad last year,
so I stopped playing. And then here's the problem, Chris,
I'm being honest.
Speaker 3 (55:35):
I started playing pick a ball, and that you're just
did you if you totally don't like fully on pickaball?
You're one of those guys. Yeah, pretty much. I have
a court right, just see it when you walked in
and did Yeah. And here's the thing, Chris, I'm glad
you asked. Thank you for asking.
Speaker 2 (55:50):
We need to talk about this.
Speaker 3 (55:51):
I'm really into pickleball, and I'm gonna tell you, but
I love golf. But here's the problem with golf.
Speaker 1 (55:55):
No, let's I want to talk to the difference between
tennis and pickleball.
Speaker 2 (55:58):
I'd be happy to. But here's the problem with golf.
It takes too long. And I play golf. I used
play golf all the time to him, but I don't
have three.
Speaker 3 (56:05):
Or four hours because I'm so insecure that I feel
like I have to work all the time just to
prove to myself I'm worthy that I don't block out
the hours to go play golf.
Speaker 1 (56:13):
But I can go pickleball in an hour and you
get a workout and you feel better all the things.
Speaker 2 (56:19):
And I love but I love golf. And yes, and
you've been so I'm I'm playing your golf tournam probably
the only time money.
Speaker 3 (56:24):
I'm gonna kill somebody with the ball. You know what
I'm in though, for the Lord. I'm in, Chris, I
will hit someone with the ball for the Lord. So
have you played pickleball at all? Yes?
Speaker 1 (56:32):
I do like pickle ball, but it's like it's all
my tennis friends are like, it's so much better than tennis,
and I'm like, it's not.
Speaker 2 (56:39):
Oh yeah, I think it.
Speaker 1 (56:40):
Well, okay, here's one one of my best Everybody can
play pickleball and everybody complaints this.
Speaker 2 (56:46):
I agree.
Speaker 3 (56:46):
One of my best friends in the whole world, groomsman
Andy Roddick, former number one, just playing in the world.
Speaker 2 (56:50):
Pretty good.
Speaker 3 (56:50):
That's my guy, right, And so he makes fun of
pickleballer's like crazy, like just really gives it to him,
like that's yeah, you guys are laying and so he
calls and he goes, hey, this is like a year
and a half agod, maybe two years ago. He goes, hey,
you're playing pickleball, right? So yeah, he said a little
bit because Brett Eldridge, one of my best friends, had
had the first court, like of our group, and so
we'd all go to Brett's house and play all the time.
(57:12):
And so I was like, yeah, I play, you know,
maybe once a week, twice a week. And he says, uh,
it's probably pretty easy, right. I'm like, well, you were
number one in the world, like you won US Open.
I feel like for you, it's gonna be pretty easy.
He goes, okay, cool, I said, why you hate pickball?
Because yeah, still hated. He goes, but I'm playing in
a tournament like a week and a half for a
million dollars. And I said, and you haven't played and
you're playing wow, And he was like yeah, he guess
(57:33):
it's on ESPN.
Speaker 2 (57:34):
And I was like, you know, hit, get around. He
hit a little bit. First. He goes, why am I'm
gonna work out a few days before? And he won?
He won? He won? Yeah, No, he won.
Speaker 5 (57:44):
He won.
Speaker 3 (57:45):
So does that tell you how good he is or
how lame pickleball is that you don't have to play it.
Speaker 2 (57:48):
Can be BA win A Yeah. I think it's both.
Speaker 3 (57:50):
I think one how good he is because he started
playing when we were running together hard because he'd be
gone for eight months at a time because tennis is international,
he's all around the world, hardly ever home, but he'd
be home four months a year and we would hang
out all the time. And so we play golf and
we started playing around the same time, and I watched
him go from shooting one oh six to like seventy
(58:11):
seven and about three months because his hand eye coordination. Yes,
and so pickleball he started playing it and got real good, which,
by the way, he tores meniscus like the day before
the tournament still won, still one, which is crazy. So
there's a lameness to it when it comes to tennis.
But I like pickleball because the floor is higher, meaning
you don't me Moss can play, yes, but if you
(58:34):
to be good, like I could probably wax you pretty
good right now back there, But yeah.
Speaker 1 (58:38):
You could, yeah, because I understand because I get out
and hit my friends who play and they kill me.
And I understand there's a skill too, there's strategy, all
the things.
Speaker 2 (58:44):
But it's better than tennis. No, it's not.
Speaker 1 (58:46):
And what about pickleball on TV? That's what I really
can't get in.
Speaker 3 (58:51):
Okay, do you watch? It's difficult for me too, and
I will be full disclosure. I own part of a
major league pickleball team.
Speaker 2 (58:56):
Okay, this is This is so good?
Speaker 3 (59:01):
Is another podcast and it's difficult at times. I don't
think they have mastered. It reminds me of like the
sixties when they started shooting football from the top of
the bleachers and they really didn't have the angles or
know how to. It feels like that right now that
they've tried to make it tennis, and it's not. It's
a different game, different games, So I don't feel like
they've captured the content in a way that reflects how
(59:22):
fun the game is.
Speaker 2 (59:23):
Probably so I think that needs needs to progress.
Speaker 3 (59:27):
But I do think that pickleballs is is like I'm
watching Wimbledon. Not everybody can play tennis. Honestly, they can't
not air bake up by tennis, right. And also, tennis,
to me was a rich person's game. We didn't the equipment.
You could buy a paddle now for like thirty bucks,
the little plastic ball, a smaller court.
Speaker 2 (59:47):
Yes it's lame, but it's my lame, so I will
defend it. It's it's not lame.
Speaker 3 (59:54):
I like it. It's a great game. Yeah, it's a
great game. But I'm just saying it's that.
Speaker 1 (59:58):
When when I saw them trying to do it on TV,
I was like, oh, yeah it does this is this
is hard.
Speaker 2 (01:00:05):
Yeah, it's like whiffle ball to baseball.
Speaker 3 (01:00:08):
It's kind of goofy. Yeah, but that doesn't mean it
can't be fine competitive and you a little work out in,
but it's better. I didn't like tennis. I never liked tennis.
Speaker 2 (01:00:19):
I loved it. Gosh, I loved it.
Speaker 3 (01:00:20):
I was never like an Andy Roddick. I always wanted
to be. But you have a tennis Did you have
tennis your high school?
Speaker 2 (01:00:26):
Yeah, so we did.
Speaker 3 (01:00:27):
I never was exposed to us. I probably would have
been pro. If I'm being honest, right, how would I not?
Speaker 2 (01:00:33):
Of no doubt? Look at you? Look at me now?
Speaker 3 (01:00:35):
Yeah, it couldn't be any more pro. Okay, look you
guys follow Chris on Instagram at Chris Tomlin.
Speaker 2 (01:00:41):
Oh you're too kind. So after your Heart is in
House of David Yep.
Speaker 3 (01:00:47):
Okay, song The Last Supper, which you are an executive
producer of, Yes and No Greater Love is in the
credits that don't don't stop watching until the song finishes.
Speaker 2 (01:00:56):
Yes, yes, doesn't.
Speaker 3 (01:00:57):
Yeah, once the movie ends, yes, so watch it, but
then don't stop until the credits roll. That's right, okay,
And then as of now you can watch the first time.
The documentary is on the Wonder platform, and then the
song as of now, because it is beyond April eleventh
when this airs, it is on anywhere stream music.
Speaker 2 (01:01:15):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (01:01:16):
And the Good Friday. But you don't need to tell
Good Friday to take it you're good. No, we're good,
We're good. You don't have enough seats?
Speaker 2 (01:01:22):
Good Friday. Okay, that's good, and you're coming.
Speaker 1 (01:01:25):
We'll see which if your parent, if your bofe's parents come,
we'll see.
Speaker 3 (01:01:28):
If they come, it's because they wanted to come to
the show for you. If they don't come, it's because
you didn't convince them. It wasn't enough of a flat
strong and convinced them.
Speaker 2 (01:01:35):
Yeah, yeah, yeah da.
Speaker 3 (01:01:37):
But either way, I will say I was genuinely moved,
and I am jaded as all get out, and I
was genuinely moved by the show.
Speaker 2 (01:01:45):
Well I appreciate that.
Speaker 3 (01:01:46):
Yeah, And I mean, I know we get around it
in all seriousness, full sincerity, genuinely. Well, I hope I
appreciate you saying it, and I hope you can come
this year because be really special. The part I didn't like, though,
if I can, Yeah, the honest part is partly didn't like.
This is your wife speaking right now?
Speaker 5 (01:01:59):
Yeah yah yah.
Speaker 3 (01:01:59):
It's when we pulled down because you were so nice
to give us a good parking I saw who all
the special guests would surprises were by the parking spots
with the names on it.
Speaker 2 (01:02:06):
Mmm. So yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:02:09):
I mean that's it's you know, rich rich person problems. Yeah,
but I saw like, oh Landy, and I was like, oh,
there's no surprises now. I just saw everybody who's parking
down there, and the parking Chris gave us. That's the
part I didn't like, but you did. But the show
was excellent. But next time, maybe I just blindfold myself
and sit passenger and let my wife.
Speaker 2 (01:02:26):
Walk me in a bit. Idea, we're gonna put you out.
No no, no, no, let's not do that. I like
exactly where we were. We had the best parking spot.
I got parking where you will not know.
Speaker 3 (01:02:35):
No, no, no no. I don't want to take this
the wrong way. I want the same parking at Chris Tomlin.
You guys, go see Chris. It's an excellent show. And
Chris could to see you. Man.
Speaker 2 (01:02:43):
That was awes Thank you man, it's good to be here.
Speaker 5 (01:02:46):
Thanks for listening to a Bobby Cast production.
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