Lots to Say: 3x Super Bowl Champion Matt Light and Mock NFL Draft!

Bobby Bones and Matt Cassel look back at the 2005 Draft where Matt was in the same class with Aaron Rodgers, who fell to 24th that night.  Matt talks about his workouts with teams and how most weren't about drafting him! Bobby reveals a new sports hobby he'll be trying in the near future!

3x SB Champion Matt Light recalls his Draft experience along with joining the Patriots and winning Super Bowls.  What was Matt's favorite prank on Bill Belichick?  Matt is excited for the future of the Patriots and has spoken with new Head Coach Mike Vrabel, who was a former teammate.  See how Matt is helping youths with The Light Foundation !

Bobby and Matt quiz each other on where former players went to college.  Plus, Bobby lists which fast food items he sees players as.  We wrap with the Lots to Say Mock Draft, which includes a surprise team for Shedeur Sanders!

Lots to Say with Bobby Bones and Matt Cassel is part of the NFL Podcast Network 

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:05):
Lots to say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle is
a production of the NFL and iHeart podcasts.

Speaker 2 (00:12):
We got lost, Just say we got lost? To say
what is better here? And we hope you say because
we got lost, just say, yeah, we got lost, just
say let everybody.

Speaker 1 (00:34):
Tomorrow night's a draft, so we're definitely gonna do some
draft talk. But I want to go back to two
thousand and five. And why should we go back to
the two thousand and five NFL draft. Well, that's when
you were drafting my friend. That's right, against all odds,
Against all odds, they were gonna make Miracle two, and
it was gonna be your draft story.

Speaker 3 (00:52):
It is. It is miracle too. They're actually gonna make
a story right now, we're gonna do a movie.

Speaker 1 (00:58):
So twenty years later, the year Matt Castle was drafted
and the year that Rogers sat in the green room forever,
that's mostly what I remember, one hundred percent. I guess
that's all what I remember, because I don't.

Speaker 3 (01:09):
Remember you really you were watching. I really wasn't.

Speaker 1 (01:12):
Now, yeah I wasn't.

Speaker 3 (01:13):
I say that all the time. The commentators came on
when my name came up, and they drafted me, and
they're like, Okay, we don't have really anything on this guy.
He threw thirty two passes, he backed up Carson Palmer
and Matt Leinert never had a start. So I, uh, yeah,
congratulations New England.

Speaker 1 (01:28):
High ceiling guy, though high ceiling the hard worker. Two
thousand and five was the yar. Aaron Rodgers slipt down
to twenty fourth overall, And that is the comparison when
anybody doesn't get drafted, it's the comparison to Aaron Rodgers
that day. It was also again the same year you
were drafted. So question number one, what do you remember
most about that whole week like leading up to that draft?

(01:49):
What comes to mind?

Speaker 3 (01:50):
Right, there wasn't a lot of the expectations for me
in terms of where I was going to fall. There
wasn't the anxiety of am I going to fall in
the LTE first round or early second because I was
just hoping that I'd get on a team. To be
quite honest with you, as a free agent.

Speaker 1 (02:04):
Did you think I think if Okay, let's say it's
the day before the draft and I came up to
you and I say, what are the odds you get
drafted at all?

Speaker 3 (02:11):
Yeah, I'd say five percent. Really, I mean I had
workouts with teams, but every one of those teams was
already communicating that they would like to bring me in
as a free agent, so that was kind of understood
that I would have an opportunity to get into a camp. Now,
I will say this, the last day of the draft,
which was a Sunday, the first phone call I woke
up to was a five Toho eight area code. I

(02:32):
pick it up. It's Scott Pioli. Scott expresses their interest
in me coming in as a free agent, which was
exciting to say the least, but he also said, if
we do draft a quarterback, we're going to take you late.
The reality of that actually happening, I thought was more
just him saying it than actually going to do it.

(02:53):
So I did have that in the back of my mind,
but then went down to my agent's offices later that
day because he said it's all going to move really fast.
So I got down there in like the late part
of the sixth round, started watching so are taking phone
calls from the Titans and the Cincinnati Bengals and the
San Diego Chargers, all from a free agent standpoint, and
then he came in and said, somebody's on the line

(03:14):
for you. I thought it was probably another coach or
something like that, and it was Coach Belichick welcoming me
to the New England Patriots and said we're going to
take you next in the NFL Draft. Congratulations, And I
was like, I totally thought he was kidding. I didn't
even know it was truly Bill Belichick calling me. They
just got off their third super Bowl. It's pretty dope,
and you know, it was one of those surreal moments

(03:34):
where it just all kind of came full circle. And
that's why I went against all odds and all the naysayers,
even with the coaches, had said Matt, you should look
for another profession. And I was like, this is awesome.

Speaker 1 (03:44):
He's like, miracle two. Miracle two, we're doing here. When
Rogers was slipping in Round one, were you watching the
draft then at all? Or were you just in your
own bubble waiting to see what happened later on.

Speaker 3 (03:55):
I was definitely watching the draft at that point, and
it was that uncomfortable setting, right. The cameras just kept
showing him the frustration, and I think Alex Smith went
number one overall of the forty nine ers, and there
was that discussion between the two of them, and then
it just started the snowball effect for him. But he
went to the Dream Bay Packers, and I just remember

(04:17):
also him going there was still Brett far there, Like
they drafted a quarterback in the first round, and all
everybody's like, what are they doing? Why did they just take?
Little did we know a few years later he's gonna
step on the field and be a Hall of Fame quarterback.

Speaker 1 (04:31):
Well, little do we know too? The Jordan Love situation
would present itself to what the Aaron Rodgers situation was,
right when they're like, why are they drafting another quarterback
when they have Aaron Rodgers by drafting Jordan Love? And
funny how I mean all that, if Rogers just would
have ended up with the Vikings, it had been the greatest,
most perfect far vary and oh a cycle, Like it's

(04:54):
just history repeating itself. Fully. So when you go to
the Patriots and they draft you, do you leave the
next day? Like how quick do you get on a
flight to actually go to work?

Speaker 3 (05:03):
It was within a one or two days. I think
that maybe it was the next day. To be honest
with you, I went home. We had a barbecue, which
was such a cool moment for me because I went
back to my house and my family was there, my
close family, friends, my high school coaches, everybody was there
and we celebrated all together because they all had a
piece in me getting to where I finally was, and

(05:26):
just to celebrate the moment. And then the next day,
I jump on a flight and we go out to
a rookie mini camp, so we literally hit the ground running,
and there was different rules back then, not as restrictive
in terms of the schedule, in terms of phase one
phase two. So we hit the ground running, full pads,
Rookie Mini camp, rock and roll for three days, roll
right into the vets, showing up later on the next week.

Speaker 1 (05:49):
I guess it's a little less intimidating to go to
a rookie camp when it's all of your own instead
of walking into a camp where it's also the adults.

Speaker 3 (05:56):
Right one hundred percent. It was kind of like you're
in high school and you go there and it's all
the guys that were drafted. Maybe some guys that were
on practice squad last year come to help create bodies,
but I remember even coaches out there with a bag
acting like their defensive line. So you feel pretty good
about it. Then all of a sudden reality strikes and
the rest of the team comes out, and you say, oh,

(06:17):
this is a little different. Speed of the games, a
little different.

Speaker 1 (06:20):
Can you name the quarterback drafted one pick before you
to the Kansas City Chiefs.

Speaker 3 (06:25):
One pick before me to the Kansas City Chiefs. Who
would that be? He went to the Kansas City Chiefs quarterback? Oh,
not Tyler thing Man.

Speaker 1 (06:37):
He's from Tulsa, Tulsa. He went to Tulsa.

Speaker 3 (06:41):
Couldn't tell you.

Speaker 1 (06:41):
James Killian from Tulsa. James Killian went one pick before
you to the Chiefs.

Speaker 3 (06:47):
Man, they could have got me earlier.

Speaker 1 (06:49):
What little do they know? They would have got you later. Yeah,
they could have got you later, and they did two
thousand and five. The number one song at this point
Mariah Carey we Belonged Together.

Speaker 3 (06:58):
Mm love that song?

Speaker 1 (07:00):
Do you know it?

Speaker 3 (07:00):
Probably if you played it for me.

Speaker 1 (07:02):
We Belonged Together? Does that do anything that you know?

Speaker 3 (07:05):
I just love listening to use? Yeah, yeah, yea yeah.

Speaker 1 (07:07):
The first YouTube video was published on the same day
as the NFL Draft. First YouTube video ever April twenty third,
two thousand and five, the highest paid quarterback at the
time was Peyton manning fourteen million per year. Dam He
had signed a seventy or ninety eight million dollar contract
extension with the Colts, which included a thirty four point
five million dollar signing bonus and the number one hell

(07:28):
times have changed Yeah, and the number one movie with
Star Wars episode three, Revenge of the Sixth Woh you
a Star Wars guy?

Speaker 3 (07:33):
No?

Speaker 1 (07:35):
I wish I were?

Speaker 4 (07:36):
Now?

Speaker 1 (07:36):
I wish I were because there's this limitless content.

Speaker 3 (07:39):
Limitless content. And also I could totally see you at
like one of those Star Wars deals where they come
together and they dress up as wookies in their favorite characters.

Speaker 1 (07:47):
How would you say you could see me doing that?

Speaker 3 (07:49):
Because I mean, once you're committed, you're fully committed.

Speaker 1 (07:51):
And that I'll take as a compliment, but it is
no complimentary At first you.

Speaker 3 (07:54):
Said that compliment. I would like to go there one time.
Just people watch.

Speaker 1 (07:58):
I think it's would be I get watching on TikTok.

Speaker 3 (08:03):
There is there's some good people watch.

Speaker 1 (08:05):
Have you seen the kool aid Man trend on TikTok?

Speaker 3 (08:07):
By a chance?

Speaker 1 (08:08):
So the kool aid Man the commercial on the cartoon
that we know. His thing was he would bust to
a wall and go oh yeah, and so bricks would
go everywhere. Now there's a trend where kids will find
wooden like picket fences and run through them, and then
when they get to the other side, there's someone there
with the phone recording they.

Speaker 3 (08:29):
Run through them.

Speaker 5 (08:30):
It's so funny.

Speaker 1 (08:31):
They run as hard as they can and lower they
had to run through the wooden fence, and then they go,
oh yeah, it's so stupid, but it is my favorite
TikTok trend, and agents I love it.

Speaker 3 (08:43):
I mean because I'm a big physical comedy guy too,
so anytime you kind of push the envelope, maybe not.
I don't want to see anybody really get hurt, but
I do like to watch people run through stuff and
just do stupid, stupid things.

Speaker 1 (08:56):
My wife and I were in bed, she was mostly asleep,
and I'm watching the kool aid Man trend and I'm
laughing so hard. The bed is shaking. What are you
Why are you laughing so hard? And I tried to
explain it to her. She's like, that's the stupidest thing
I've ever seen. Like she did not feel my humor really. Yeah,
I've been feeling it at all.

Speaker 3 (09:13):
See, I'm a big physical comedy. Anytime they show the
clips where people slip on ice outside there.

Speaker 1 (09:18):
Oh I can't do that anymore, though, Oh no, I
can so good. It's so I'm not judging you. I've
just fallen so many times now that it hurts me
to watch other people fall. And when you get older,
the falls hurt worse, yes, and longer.

Speaker 3 (09:31):
True.

Speaker 1 (09:31):
I mean that's the end. That's the injury part of
getting older. It's not so much that it hurts worse,
it's it doesn't heal as fast.

Speaker 3 (09:38):
No, you're on the shelf for a while.

Speaker 1 (09:40):
So if I fall on ice, if a fourteen year
old does it not that bad. If I do it,
it's it's two months.

Speaker 3 (09:46):
Yes, but you do. You do feel for the old
people that just completely lose it and then go down
the stairs and stuff like that. But it is still
somewhat funny.

Speaker 1 (09:54):
Did you watch wrestle Manni at all?

Speaker 3 (09:55):
No?

Speaker 1 (09:56):
I know you're not a big wrestling guy.

Speaker 4 (09:58):
Now.

Speaker 1 (09:58):
I didn't know if maybe.

Speaker 3 (09:59):
I've been to what was the one in Nashville that
they had SummerSlam?

Speaker 1 (10:02):
No, SummerSlam.

Speaker 3 (10:03):
I took the kids of that. That was epic. Rock
Lessner Roman Reigns. That was a match. He came in
on a tractor who did brock Lessener? Oh cool, drove
a tractor up, was putting him on the what's it
called the lift? There? Full fight? I mean it was awesome.

Speaker 1 (10:20):
And that was in Titan Stadium, right, Titan Stadium. They
did two nights WrestleMania and it was in Vegas and
it was where the Raiders play. But two nights they
sold one hundred and thirty thousand tickets. Oh my gosh,
sold out both nights. It was crazy.

Speaker 3 (10:32):
That's bad.

Speaker 1 (10:32):
I've signed up for a pickleball tournament.

Speaker 3 (10:35):
Yes, breaking news, breaking news, everybody hot off the press.

Speaker 1 (10:38):
I've signed up for a pickleball tournament. I've never played
a pick a ball tournament before. So I'm going to
be baptized by fire as then I will be playing
a lot of people at once. I'm gonna learn real
quick how good I am.

Speaker 3 (10:50):
Now do you rotate through in the tournament or you
just actually sign yourself up or you sign up with
a partner.

Speaker 1 (10:55):
So I'm playing singles, Okay, That's what I'm really excited about.
I'm also playing doubles, but a friend of mine who
were playing together, we was like, let's just play doubles
and see what happens. But mostly like, I'm focused on
the singles game because I can control that, So I
don't know how it works. I'm just going to show up.
It's like eight o'clock, you show up. I don't know
if it's round robin. I don't know if it's like
double elimination.

Speaker 3 (11:14):
When is this.

Speaker 1 (11:16):
Two weeks?

Speaker 3 (11:17):
Two weeks. If I'm free, I'm coming.

Speaker 5 (11:19):
You're not.

Speaker 1 (11:21):
You don't need Why would you not just.

Speaker 3 (11:22):
Cheery heckle the person that you're playing against.

Speaker 1 (11:25):
Yeah, that we can do. You can. How often do
you play pickleball at all?

Speaker 3 (11:30):
I do play a little bit. Let's go. Well, you
didn't say you wanted a partner. I want to play doubles.
I don't want to play singles and you know, really
exert myself. I want to try to get up near
the box and just like slam it or something.

Speaker 1 (11:43):
With the draft coming up, you still get pumped up
about watching.

Speaker 3 (11:46):
It to a certain degree. I think it's always fascinating
because you have all these different characters every single year.
They all the pronostigators and everybody You're like guessing, oh, well,
this is my mock dress. But you do you really
know other than maybe cam word at the top. So
I get excited, particularly in this year when there's so
much uncertainty in terms of the quarterback position, wide receiver position.

(12:09):
I mean, it is a very heavy class in terms
of the defensive front, particularly edge and interior. But where
do those where do they value those guys and where
are they going to go in the first round versus
say ah shudor Sanders, which is going to be a
fascinating story all the way up to the first round
to see where he potentially goes or if he goes
in the first round.

Speaker 1 (12:44):
We're about to talk with Matt Light, three times Super
Bowl champion with the Patriots, First Team, All Pro, three
time Pro Bowler, Patriots, All two thousand Steam Patriots All
Dynasty Team, Patriots Hall of Famer, forty eighth overall pick
in the two thousand and one NFL Draft. Your teammate,
this is your buddy, which is super Bowl? You got
them one. Give me a Matt Light story.

Speaker 3 (13:01):
Matt Light's story. I mean, there's so many to choose from.
I do remember one where we were out as the
offensive line, and they invited the backup quarterback to go
with him because Brady was too big time to go
with us to like sushi or whatever. But they got
they got this little bus right, So we get on
the bus. So we go to dinner, get back on
and we're headed back to wherever we were going to

(13:23):
the bar, and all of a sudden, cops pull the
bus over and they go on the bus and they're
looking for Russ Hawkstein, who is our backup, backup guard
and was kind of our swing guy. They come in fully,
arrest him, take him off. Nobody knows what's going on.
Light set the entire thing up. So we're sitting on
this bus while Russ is getting interrogated. They're making him

(13:43):
walk around. He's like, I'm not even driving. What is
going on? Like the full on DUI test, follow my
finger light in the face, just harassing the hell out
of him. And finally they're like, well, like we know light,
you know, he's just busting balls. Dante Scarnekian had a
pointer that he'd always use and he changed that out
and it was the zapper, so it zapped out of
him in the meeting room while he's any damn it, light, this, that,

(14:06):
and the other he did to Belichick. Two, he changed
out Belichick's mouse, but that backfired because Belichick knocked over
his coffees working on this document went blank slate. Belichick
was pissed, like piss pissed. He was in the doghouse
for weeks. They had to come in meet with him
all the different things. He might have even been fined.
It's the funniest stuff.

Speaker 1 (14:25):
Ever, how dominant was he as a tackle.

Speaker 3 (14:28):
Incredibly dominant. You always felt great with him over there
because he was so athletic, and that was the thing
about left tackles. You have to be athletic to deal
with guys like you said, the Dwight Freenies of the
world and Jason Taylor's. And so he was also one
of those really smart players that wanted to know are
we three by one? Are we two by two? Because
when they would make their sets, he'd look for somebody

(14:51):
firing off the edge. And he was just one of
those players that would think about the game at a
different level, which I think as well helped him be
as dominant as he was here. He is Matt Light, Hea,
Maddie Light. This guy is a three time Super Bowl
champion perenni All Pro. He is a ex teammate of mine,

(15:16):
one of my favorite people I've ever played with. He's
in the Patriot Hall of Fame. Welcome the show, Matt, Yes, sir,
clause cast Dog.

Speaker 6 (15:25):
You're a beautiful man, and I just got to tell
you it's been too long since we've been able to
make some great memories.

Speaker 5 (15:33):
I hope you are well, my friend. And you had
a great easter.

Speaker 3 (15:36):
Oh you know what, we had a fantastic easter, just
say easter egg hunting and doing all that. I know
you were out shooting turkeys, weren't you all weekend?

Speaker 5 (15:42):
Uh?

Speaker 6 (15:42):
Yeah, we had our youth hunt in Rhode Island and
we had ten incredible kids, and man, it was awesome.
Got to be in the outdoors, beautiful weather for the
first time.

Speaker 5 (15:53):
All year here in New England. So yeah, it was
a great weekend.

Speaker 3 (15:57):
Love that.

Speaker 1 (15:58):
Hey, Matt, Bobby here, first time that got to meet you.
So nice to meet you. But I've heard a lot
about you whenever Castle and I first started doing this
to others, like Hey, I'm going out, I'm gonna go
Matt Lives, We're gonna shoot a bunch of stuff with
some big guns. That's all he said. Like that's my
that was my introduction to you as him going We're
going to going to Lins. We're gonna shoot a bunch
of stuff with big guns. Like what are you guys
doing up there?

Speaker 6 (16:17):
You know, So as you can probably guess, you have
to be very careful when you when you go into
the woods with with Castle. I mean, Matthew is is
very you know, he's good with all the safety stuff,
but you know he gets a little sidetracked from time
to time. And you know, it's always an adventure when

(16:38):
I'm with cast dog and we're in the outdoors and
we're having fun. But you know, I grew up in
the outdoors and hunting, fishing, you know, taking kids into
the woods doing things.

Speaker 5 (16:49):
That's just kind of always been my thing.

Speaker 3 (16:51):
Yeah, that is your thing. I remember the first time
I was out in New England. You were the one
that took me hunting to what we do geese and
I almost hit you with a Canadian geese that was
flying overhead. I shot it overhead I probably shouldn't have
and it almost hit you. Going thirty miles an hour
headed Joan toward you be special.

Speaker 6 (17:09):
And actually what actually happened is is that you you
shot a volley when they were about three times higher.

Speaker 5 (17:16):
Than when you could have killed them.

Speaker 6 (17:18):
So then when the next group came around, you waited
until the very end and you did hit one, which
is kind of a miracle. And I remember you running
out of the blind to avoid getting hit, but didn't
say a word to me, which luckily I did not
take that goose on the noggin, so I I survived.

Speaker 1 (17:39):
Hey, Matt, a question. So we've talked with Castle here
many times about what it was like going in when
Brady goes down, but a different perspective would be yours.
What do you remember about that?

Speaker 2 (17:51):
Uh?

Speaker 5 (17:51):
Well, I mean a lot.

Speaker 6 (17:53):
I mean you're you're talking about a guy who you know,
not only commands, you know, the offense, but obviously that
just the comfort and the confidence that you have. You know,
when you have a guy like Tom Brady in the huddle,
when that disappears, you know, there's a lot of question marks.
And you know, I'll tell you as a teammate, I'm

(18:14):
not just going to say this to make him feel better,
but that was a tough position for Castle to be in,
and Matt obviously had a heck of a season and
stepped in and did an incredible job. And you know,
I mean that's I think if you look at it
from the perspective of a backup quarterback, you know, that's
a really difficult thing to try to articulate what it's

(18:38):
like to be in his shoes.

Speaker 5 (18:39):
And for me as an.

Speaker 6 (18:41):
Offensive lineman, I can tell you that everything changes right
like how the you know, how the players are being
called at the line of scrimmage, the.

Speaker 5 (18:50):
Checks, all that kind of stuff.

Speaker 6 (18:52):
But man, it was it was an odd time, but
the transition actually went a lot better than I think
a lot of us expected, and you know, we ended
up having a hell of a season.

Speaker 5 (19:01):
You know, even with that rotation.

Speaker 3 (19:04):
You never said anything negative to me about it. You
were just like, hey, Castle, you got this. You are lying? Huh?
Is that the truth?

Speaker 5 (19:12):
No? I mean I was. I was scared as hell
for you.

Speaker 3 (19:14):
I figured that it was going to get I was
really ugly.

Speaker 5 (19:17):
Really quick, to be honest with you.

Speaker 3 (19:20):
So you won three super Bowls, you participated in five
Super Bowls. What's the most memorable of all those massive
wins or losses from that Super Bowl runs?

Speaker 6 (19:30):
You know, I think the first one was such a whirlwind.
It was my rookie season, and you know, they had
no idea who any of us were. I mean not
just because we didn't have our names on our backs,
but because like literally no one knew who we were and.

Speaker 5 (19:44):
We weren't supposed to be there. It was nine to eleven.

Speaker 6 (19:47):
You know, all the things that happened, I mean, our
quarterback coach passed away during training camp, I mean, the
the adversities coming in as a as a rookie, and
then on top of that, all the things that we
experienced throughout that season. You know, obviously drew bledsoe going down.
I mean that one sticks out in my the most.

(20:07):
And the impact that I had on my family. Right
my wife was pregnant. You know, we're pregnant with our
first kid. We're just fresh out of college, and you know,
I just remember gearing up for that run. You know,
we had the snow game against Oakland with the tuck rule,
and I mean there were just so many moments in

(20:28):
that season where I thought, man, I can't believe this
is actually happening. And then later in my career, I
think I think one of the moments that really stands
out for me is looking back on just after the
first Super Bowl loss against the Giants, and I guess
that was whatever, that was, eighth nine, whatever, No, yeah,

(20:51):
somewhere in there, yeah, two thousand and seven, And I
remember looking at Junior Seau in the locker room, and
obviously we were all really upset about how that game ended,
and just thinking, man, here's a guy who's meant so
much to the NFL and he's had such an incredible career,

(21:15):
and to not have that moment for him, I felt
worse for him than I did for myself. So, you know,
there are so many highs and lows when it comes
to playing the game of football. And when you win
a Super Bowl, obviously it's a wild time. But when
you don't, when you don't actually make it happen in

(21:35):
the biggest moment of your career, you know, I think
there's things that you take away from that. And for me,
it was just looking at some of these guys that
I played with and just wishing for them that they
had that moment.

Speaker 1 (22:01):
The draft coming up this week, you were a second
round pick. Where did you think you would fall and
what was the draft night like for you?

Speaker 5 (22:10):
Well, the draft for me was interesting.

Speaker 6 (22:13):
I was at the Neon Cactus, which is a country
bar in Westlafayette, Indiana, at Purdue, and uh, from what
I remember, it was a pretty good moment. But I
will say this, Bobby, it was the first time that
I'd never seen a draft in my life. So I
had never, you know, never even thought about playing in

(22:34):
the NFL growing up. And you know, for me, I
thought I was going to be a forest ranger, you know,
I thought i'd be you know, riding a horse through
the woods. And I got this opportunity, and you know,
watching the draft for me was wild.

Speaker 5 (22:49):
It was an amazing experience.

Speaker 6 (22:50):
But I remember a buddy of mine came up to
me right after I got picked, and and and the
way I got picked, you know, it was kind of interesting.

Speaker 3 (22:57):
You know.

Speaker 6 (22:58):
I get a call from Scott Pioli, the head of
player personnel, and he's like, who are you talking to?
And I didn't know that there was like, you know,
a little bit of gamesmanship. And when I told him
who I was talking to, He's like, all right, don't
don't go back over and talk to them. We're gonna
go ahead and draft you. And I'm like, great, awesome.
And then when I see my name come across the screen,
I was like, oh, man, this is actually happening. A

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buddy of mine comes running up to me and he's like, hey, man,
you know how much money the guy made for a
signing bonus in the forty eighth overall pick.

Speaker 5 (23:27):
And I'm like, I have no idea. He's like, dude,
that guy got like over a million dollars. You're a millionaire.
And I'm like, wow, that's amazing.

Speaker 6 (23:36):
I never thought about it, man, Like, it never entered
my mind. And I guess in some ways I'm thankful
for that, you know. I mean, I guess when you're ignorant,
you know, it can be an advantage at times.

Speaker 5 (23:48):
But man, it was a great experience.

Speaker 6 (23:51):
It was great experience for my family, for me, and
you know, from then on, I learned a lot about
the NFL in a very short period of time.

Speaker 3 (23:58):
You know, as a young guy coming into that locker room,
it can be intimidating. But you're one of the best
leaders I've ever been around, and you have this amazing
ability to bring people together, and you always took pride
in that. But in addition to that, you made it
fun in an environment, as you well know with Coach
Belichick in New England, that can get a little bit stale.

(24:20):
You feel the pressures consistently, but you always found ways
to have fun. And some of these things are legendary,
like Bill Belichick with the mouse and the exchange. You
got to talk about some of the things that you
did and how in the world did you come up
with these things conceptually?

Speaker 5 (24:36):
Well, I mean I do get it, honest. You know.

Speaker 6 (24:38):
My great grandfather started a club in my hometown and
it's the longest running club in existence. It's over one
hundred years old now and it's called the Liars Club.
And so I grew up watching my dad and my
uncles prepare and my cousins prepare for these meetings once
a year where they would prank someone.

Speaker 5 (24:58):
Now this is way.

Speaker 6 (24:59):
Before you know all the stuff now that you see
online or you know, the punk or any of that
kind of stuff. The jerky boys like you know, this
this goes way back and it was a whole bunch
of outdoors and they got together and they would pull
pranks like they would have you know, a shriff arrest
somebody as a peeping tom and then they bring him
to the meeting and he'd have to, you know, answer
to his crime and then they'd induct him into the

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Liar's Club through some crazy ritual.

Speaker 5 (25:25):
And so I guess for me, it's just always been something.

Speaker 6 (25:29):
That, you know, you don't prank people you don't like, right, So, like,
whenever you're messing with somebody, it's because you actually appreciate them.
Most people are like, dude, these people hate you that
you've messed with, and I'm like, no, I'm like, I'll
key someone's car. And that sounds a little terrible these
days with this whole you know, elon thing, But like,
I'm not going to prank someone I don't appreciate or

(25:51):
I don't love, and I always, I always took that
to heart. And I guess some of these moments, you know,
just came out of the fact that, as you know,
we sit there in meetings all day long and you're
losing your mind and you just watch in film and
getting dog cuss by your coaches, and in the back
of my mind, I'm trying to stay awake, and I'm like,

(26:11):
all right, how can I have fun with this? And
as you'll remember, Matt, one of my favorites was in
training camp, having the guys hold the signs as the
camera guys zooming in on the shot clock and we're
going through a two minute operation. And what's great is

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there was a day and well at practice after practice,
we're watching film and I'm like nine years into the league,
and I'm like, wait a minute.

Speaker 5 (26:40):
During training camp.

Speaker 6 (26:41):
It's the only time that they allow civilians to be
in our world. And they zoom in on the shot clock,
and a whole bunch of the spectators that come watch
us like killing ourselves and getting dog cussed by the
coaches and sweating in a one hundred degree heat. They're
all hanging out underneath this shot clock and we can

(27:01):
see them, so we'd always be looking for somebody weird.
And I'm like, I could have I have any one
of my friends do whatever I want, and we have
to watch it.

Speaker 5 (27:10):
This is gonna be the greatest day of my life.

Speaker 6 (27:12):
This will be the only time that I actually stay
awake in meetings. So I had a guy come and
he had giant signs that said, like when Drowd.

Speaker 5 (27:21):
Mayo was playing, right like I love Mayo on.

Speaker 6 (27:23):
My buns, or Tommy gives me in the spot, I'm
open you know, like just crazy ridiculous stuff.

Speaker 5 (27:30):
And he's wearing Daisy Dukes. Like I said, get your
worst pair of.

Speaker 6 (27:34):
Jeans, cut him off, you know about nut height, and
start doing high kicks and tie your shirt and a knot.

Speaker 5 (27:40):
And he did it to perfection.

Speaker 6 (27:42):
And I'll never forget Matt Patricia calling me and he's dying,
and he's like, you're an idiot. He's like Coach Belichick
is not even acknowledging it. And we're all dying watching
this film.

Speaker 5 (27:55):
I love you click.

Speaker 3 (27:58):
That's awesome.

Speaker 1 (27:59):
When you were in high school, did you play tackle
or did you play all over offense and defense?

Speaker 5 (28:05):
You know, I.

Speaker 6 (28:07):
Was always I was always a bigger kid, right Like
I had to go to the high school to get.

Speaker 5 (28:12):
My helmet, you know.

Speaker 6 (28:13):
When I was in like pee wee football, I was
always on the line. But I think I think for me,
I mean, we didn't win many games in high school.
I came from a very small school and.

Speaker 5 (28:24):
We weren't that great.

Speaker 6 (28:25):
But I was always like an outside linebacker, and I
guess I was more recognized on the defensive side of
the ball than the offensive side.

Speaker 5 (28:33):
Of the ball.

Speaker 6 (28:33):
But I was always on the line, and for whatever reason,
Perdue drafted or drafted me.

Speaker 5 (28:37):
They Perdue brought me in.

Speaker 6 (28:38):
They wanted me to play tight end until they figured
out that I'm not a great athlete, so they they
moved me to the UH to left tackle.

Speaker 3 (28:47):
Matt, you had some great battles with people over the years.
Who's some of the guys that you went up against?
Because when you play left tackle, you always saw the best.
Who were I know that there are stories out there,
and you've expressed this to me that you used to
have nightmares against certain people. But who's the guy that
you across and go, I better bring my a game
or this is not going to go well.

Speaker 6 (29:09):
You know, I think, I mean, ultimately, and I don't know,
I think this guy should pay me at some point
for saying all these nice things, because I.

Speaker 5 (29:17):
Feel like.

Speaker 6 (29:19):
I feel like I I could probably describe him as
a player as good as anyone, given the number of
times that I had to face him and the number
of times that I had to sit there in the
week leading up to that matchup and tell myself, like,
just survive one more, Just survive one more.

Speaker 5 (29:37):
This guy is so freaking good.

Speaker 6 (29:39):
But you know, Dwight Freeney and what he was able
to do in Indianapolis for a very long time, and
he had a good counterpart in mathis you know, those
two were a heck of a one to two combination
coming off the edge. But Dwight Freeny, I think played
the game at such a unique level, and I would

(29:59):
I would go as far as to say this, if
you're a defensive end in the National Football League and
if you have one move that you can consistently win with,
and consistently is a relative term, right. It doesn't mean like,
you know, two out of every five you beat the guy,
But I mean like when you watch film and you

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see him pull that move and he wins a time
or two with it, that's consistently winning, right, Because if
they're gonna set you up for it, and good defensive ends,
it's a chess match, right, I mean, because they're both
getting paid, both guys, the left tackle and the defensive end.
And so when you look at Dwight Freeney and you

(30:40):
go with that mindset and you say, Okay, look at
the perennial Pro Bowlers, look at the Hall of Fame
defensive ends or edge rushers, and what do they have
in common? Well, they have one move that they consistently
win with and that can get you into the Hall
of Fame. What I would say about Dwight Freenye is
is he had three of those moves, and that's really unique.

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He had a spin move that was second to none.
He had a dip in and he could skin the
edge as good as it gets right. And a speed
the power sorry, so speed the power, dip and rip
and his spin move. Any one of those could make
you look really bad at any given moment. But I
would also say this, you know, especially early in my

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career in the AFC East, I had Aaron shobl twice
a year. There's a perennial pro bowler, you know. For Buffalo,
I had John Abraham with the Jets, you know, who
was a phenomenal player. You know, had a little bit
of a finesse game to him, but you know, could
bring it when he wanted to. And then of course
Jason Taylor, who was an absolute terror down in Miami

(31:43):
for many many years. So you know, I got I
got an education every time I went up.

Speaker 5 (31:50):
Against those guys.

Speaker 1 (31:51):
If someone did get by you, was there something you
yelled watch out? Yeah, like what do you yell whenever
it's like, uh.

Speaker 6 (31:57):
Oh, Bobby, you don't I don't have to yell anything.
But I promise you Tommy was yelling something, either audibly
or in his mind at some point. Because as we
all know, or maybe the world doesn't, I mean, Tommy's
not going to run out of site in a week.
I mean he's not the most fleet of foot. You know,
we're not talking about Tommy Vick. We're talking about Tom Brady.

(32:21):
And even saying that, right, the guy made us look
really good. I don't know how he did it. I
don't know how he knew the pressure was coming. He
had eyes in the back of his head, as my
offensive line coach said, But yeah, I mean when you
make a mistake at any of those positions up front,
I mean, your quarterback's gonna let you know about it
at some point.

Speaker 1 (32:42):
But do you yell if he doesn't see and he
did slip by you? Is do you is there any
like incoming? There was nothing right, it was just it
was so quick it wouldn't matter.

Speaker 6 (32:51):
No listen, I mean when I'm running around, it's like
a flabblanche. Right, I'm having a hard time just breathing. Okay,
So like, I'm not yelling anything. That's why I didn't
talk trash. I would have liked to have talked a
little trash, but I was breathing to I was sucking wind.

Speaker 5 (33:04):
Though entire day.

Speaker 3 (33:05):
That's fair, that's fair. Now, you played for one of
the best offensive line coaches, Dante scarnek In. But he

(33:27):
was a badass. I remember him getting after you in
the entire unit. Like, what was that relationship like? And
was he always like that in your meeting rooms too?

Speaker 5 (33:37):
Yeah? Yeah, I mean I don't know that. I don't
know how many times.

Speaker 6 (33:42):
There have been stories where you go too deep into
the assistant coaches and what that world's like.

Speaker 5 (33:49):
Right.

Speaker 6 (33:49):
We talk a lot about head coaches, we talk about
player personnel people, but you know, there's such a unique
mixture of humans who occupied the entire staff and their
personalities and what they bring to the table and really
how they coach, how they lead. Right, you think about
the people who have impacted your life and how they

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did it and how they were able to motivate you.
And here's Dante Scarnekia. He's like five foot four, you know,
he weighs I don't know, one hundred pounds, soaking wet.
I mean, you know, he was always working out. He'd
be in a swim ax. He had more fur on
his body. You know, that probably weighed him down than
anything else. Harry Harry Man. But you know what he

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did was he demanded that every single time that you
stepped in the meeting room, every single time that you
went out in the field, that you gave it everything
that you had. I mean, he demanded that out of you.
And what I really appreciated is that no one, no
one got to pass. It didn't matter if you were
the first round draft pick or the guy they brought

(34:55):
in off the street. He's gonna coach you up hard
from start to finish. And because of that, we were
a tight unit. But I'm gonna tell you it wasn't easy.
I mean, he would dog custs you, I remember. I
mean I made up an entire booklet of his sayings
like ass eyes.

Speaker 5 (35:10):
I don't even know what that means. I've heard I've
heard people called that many times.

Speaker 6 (35:14):
You're not worth hammrhage, you know, like he had some
of the greatest danteisms. A matter of fact, I made
up the Dante Scarnekia mother efin instructional video and we
played it during training camp as a like one of
those infomercials where you could learn how to you know,
dog cuss anyone you know to the best of your abilities.

Speaker 1 (35:37):
A lot's being made now about arm length. You're seeing
it now with the draft. Uh do you know your
arm length? And was that a factor or did they
even measure you when you were going into the draft?

Speaker 6 (35:49):
I remember this, This was the measurement like from your
your thumb to your your pinky, and for whatever reason,
back then that was a big deal. And now we've
we've we've elevated it to how long your arms are, right,
And I don't know, I find it. I find it interesting.
It's I guess maybe it's kind of like moneyball or

(36:10):
you know, all these different metrics and how they're trying
to evaluate people and come up with some other way
to sound fancy.

Speaker 5 (36:17):
At the end of the day, I'd.

Speaker 6 (36:19):
Rather know how you use your arms versus how long
they are, right. I think I think it'll probably die
out within this this calendar year and we won't hear
much about it anymore. But I think we should keep
an eye on the guys that have the longest arms.

Speaker 5 (36:36):
And see how well they.

Speaker 1 (36:37):
Do in the NFL.

Speaker 3 (36:39):
That's exactly right, all right. What's the vibe like back
there in New England? I know you're there in New England.
You got a new sheriff in town, our old teammate,
Pop of Rabes. Have you had any interaction with him
since he's been there? And what what's the vibe like?

Speaker 5 (36:53):
Man?

Speaker 6 (36:53):
I can tell you that it's I think everybody's on
pins and needles, right.

Speaker 5 (36:57):
I mean, we come off of what's what?

Speaker 6 (36:59):
What was a crazy season, you know there for a
lot of reasons, and and now we have a guy
that people they know who he is as a player,
They they understand that, you know, you know he did
he did some amazing things down to Tennessee and there.
I think everybody's really optimistic about the impact that he's
going to have on this organization.

Speaker 5 (37:21):
And I have I've been able to go back and
forth with Mike a bit man. What a job he
has ahead of him.

Speaker 6 (37:28):
And you know, I think if there's anyone, if if
if somebody were to say to me, you know, right
right when the last season ended, who's the one person
you would bring in here? I would have said, Mike
Brabel and the reason, as you know Matt, he's uniquely
qualified to deal with pressure. And I've said this about

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Mike forever. I said, Mike Grabel is the last person
in the world that you would ever want to get
into a war of words with because he'll eat you alive.
Like there's that he lives for the moment to prove
you wrong. I mean, think about what that guy did
as a player, right, goes to Pittsburgh, gets sat on
a bench they're not utilizing him, works his tail off,

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you know, does everything he can do. Belichick brings him
in and he becomes an instant, you know, just leader
in the locker room, a voice of reason, you know,
a guy that we all leaned on and had this
amazing career.

Speaker 5 (38:29):
So he's fought his way everywhere he's been.

Speaker 6 (38:32):
And I mean I played against him at Ohio State
in college, right, and I didn't like playing against him then,
and I wouldn't want to coach against him now. And
I say this, I'll leave you with on this Rabel topic.
One of my favorite Mike Brabel moments. We're doing a
fundraiser for my foundation in my hometown in about two
thousand and four, Mike Rabel comes and it's a stag night.

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It's a whole bunch of guys. We're getting together, we're
having a good time raising money for the foundation. The
mayor of my hometown gets up to read a proclamation,
and if I would have known him going to do this,
I would have said, no way, you can't do this.
And so he gets up and he's reading, basically saying,
we're going to declare such and such day matt Light Day, right,

(39:15):
and he gets to the word matriculate and he stumbles
over it horribly and obviously he didn't write this proclamation.
Fast forward an hour and a half later, we're trying
to raise money through an auction and it's kind of
stalling on one of our big items. Rabes grabs the
mic and he goes, hey, listen, we're here to raise money.

(39:36):
He goes, I'll give anybody one thousand dollars right now.
They can get the mayor of Greenville to spell matriculate.
It was unbelievable. That's Mike Brabel.

Speaker 3 (39:49):
He is unique in that sense that he's an intimidating figure.
But like you said, if you get into war words
with him, he's going to go right for your jugular
and make you uncomfortable and hurt your feelings. That's just
who he is, so he'll handle the pressure of New
England without a doubt.

Speaker 1 (40:04):
Two final questions for you, Matt, and I want you
about the light Foundation in just a second, because that's
what Castle was talking about when he was talking about shooting.
He really was talking about like the good that you do.
But before I get to that, how did you know
when it was time to hang it up?

Speaker 5 (40:16):
Man?

Speaker 6 (40:18):
It's interesting. I think I think we all come about it,
you know, former players. I've talked to some of these
guys that I played with and guys that I've met
in retirement and we've kind of mulled this over, and
it's interesting.

Speaker 5 (40:31):
I mean, there's guys that are lifers right that it's.

Speaker 6 (40:35):
Really difficult to step away from the game, and it
doesn't matter if they're injured or they're feeling great, they
just they always want to play the game. And then
there's guys like myself. You know, I had a lot
of interest outside of it. I think again a part
of it was the way I grew up and just
being naive I guess to what the world, the NFL

(40:56):
world was really like. And so I can tell you
that after my tenth season, I said, Okay, I'm going
to do one more and.

Speaker 5 (41:08):
I'm going to have as much fun.

Speaker 6 (41:10):
As I can possibly have from start to finish.

Speaker 5 (41:13):
And I did, and we went to the Super Bowl.
We didn't win it.

Speaker 6 (41:18):
It was the fifth trip there in eleven years, and
I just remember feeling, I mean, like, how blessed am I?
How grateful you know, should I be for all the
people that you know work their butt off to put
me in a position to do the things that I've
been able to do, and how great? And I was
honestly the healthiest season I had in my entire career
I had. You know, I had thirteen major surgeries throughout

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my playing career, and you know, that was the healthiest
I was. I was able to walk away from the game.
And for me, it really came down to, man, I
got kids that are closer to being out of my
home than in my home, and that was kind of
the final thing that made it easy for me to say, Okay,
last season, let's have some fun and go out on top.

Speaker 1 (42:02):
I guess the Light Foundation talk about that, because I
know that's something that you've made a priority on something
even Castle's bragged about. But tell me why you started
it and what exactly you guys are doing.

Speaker 6 (42:13):
Yeah, so we officially formed the Life Foundation of two
thousand and two. Two thousand and one was my rookie season,
as Dante Scarnekia and my line coach would say, light,
you don't know if the ball's pumped or stuffed, and
I didn't, and then we go on to.

Speaker 5 (42:28):
Win a Super Bowl.

Speaker 6 (42:29):
And my grandmother was someone who you know, when everybody
else kind of wanted to get rid of me and
my family, she was like, I may be the only
one loves you, but I love you. And you know,
remember to who much is given, much is required. And
those words were ringing in my head, and I just
said to my family, I said, hey, look and I
come from a family of educators. My mom taught music

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in a local school system for thirty five years. My
dad is just an amazing human and can teach anything
and everything.

Speaker 5 (43:00):
And I said, if you guys will join alongside of me,
I want to.

Speaker 6 (43:03):
I want to create a nonprofit we can work with
kids and teach them and the things that made me
a better person, even though I tried screwing that up
as much as possible and introduced them to the people
who just blew my mind growing up and inspired me.
And so we started that journey in two thousand and two,
and we do it all through the Light Foundations Leadership Academy,

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where we host, you know, kids from all over the country.
We serve about seventy five hundred kids annually. It's outdoor
based programming, but it all falls under the idea that
we need strong leaders and strong people that can make
great decisions and inspire the people around them. And we've
been doing that for a long time, Bobby, And I'll
tell you, man, the people I've met through that world,

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you know, and the people we continue to meet, and
the relationships that we form, whether it's a timber framing
camp for kids, or a football camp or a leadership camp. Man,
it's the best memories I've got.

Speaker 1 (44:00):
Matt Light seventy two dot com will also put it
in the notes here for the Light Foundation if you
guys want more information.

Speaker 3 (44:05):
Yeah, Mattie, you're the best man, and you're not only
best teammate I've ever been around, but the impact that
you're making outside is probably more rewarding than anything else.

Speaker 6 (44:14):
Hey, brother, I love you and what you're doing, and
obviously we had some of the best memories. I think
I think it was an era in the NFL that
I'm not sure we'll ever get back to. Right with
social media and everybody want to do their own thing.
I would just encourage people to remember this. If you're
a football player, remember to take the time to do

(44:37):
things with the people to the right and the left
of you. When you're sitting in that locker room, you know,
put the cell phone down and make memories. But those
guys off the field the same way you do on
the field, and man, you'll never regret it because, as
you know, man, we experienced a lot of those moments
and they were special, no doubt about it.

Speaker 1 (44:56):
Matt. We appreciate you, buddy. Thank you for your time.

Speaker 3 (44:59):
Matt. Thank you brother.

Speaker 5 (45:00):
Yeah, buddy, love you you.

Speaker 1 (45:17):
All right. Kevin's got our game this week.

Speaker 4 (45:19):
Kevin, what do you have going back to the two
thousand and five draft? Here, I want you to name
where this player, notable player went to college.

Speaker 1 (45:26):
Boom, I'm not good at these. Okay, so notable players
go Castle first.

Speaker 4 (45:31):
Okay, Matt, are you ready? We're gonna do five again
like we did last week.

Speaker 3 (45:35):
Okay, let's rock and roll.

Speaker 4 (45:36):
Okay, so we'll go through all five with Matt first.
Here running back Frank Gore.

Speaker 3 (45:42):
Oh, Frank Gore? Where did Frank Gore go?

Speaker 1 (45:44):
Can we steal?

Speaker 4 (45:45):
Like?

Speaker 1 (45:45):
If I don't know it and he knows it, can
he steal my point?

Speaker 3 (45:47):
Miami? Oh?

Speaker 4 (45:48):
We got it all right for one there, Matt.

Speaker 1 (45:51):
Yeah, I'm an idiot.

Speaker 3 (45:54):
Can I steal?

Speaker 1 (45:54):
Please?

Speaker 5 (45:54):
Please? Okay?

Speaker 4 (45:56):
Linebacker the Marcus?

Speaker 3 (45:58):
Where the Marcus? Where he wasn't? I kind of want
to say cam State, but.

Speaker 1 (46:06):
I hope you say Kansas State. I think I'm completely
I'm begging you to say Kansas State.

Speaker 3 (46:10):
I think that you're thinking these Arkansas because you get
a glow to you.

Speaker 1 (46:13):
No, I don't have a glow to me. I just
know it because I know him.

Speaker 3 (46:16):
Okay, you can steal this one. Then?

Speaker 1 (46:18):
I know him because we did Dancing with the Stars together,
and my final dance he left me above his head
like I was sack of potatoes. And he went to
Troy and he grew like six inches while in college
ding ding ding, No crazy story.

Speaker 3 (46:30):
Six inches. Yeah, he was a monster.

Speaker 1 (46:32):
But it was like Scotty Pippen at U C a
when he before he went to the bowls, Scottie Pippen
grew an ignordinate amount like six seven inches in college. Yeah,
I didn't, but anyway, that's a big grocer.

Speaker 4 (46:44):
All right, Matt, here we go, number three, tight end
Heath Miller.

Speaker 3 (46:49):
A s U here's no state final answer?

Speaker 1 (46:55):
Yes, wrong, Arizona Virginia. I don't know. I didn't know
who it was. I was just going that you barely
missed it, but you way missed it.

Speaker 3 (47:01):
Like way missed.

Speaker 1 (47:02):
Let me know.

Speaker 3 (47:02):
I'm on the side that was a little.

Speaker 4 (47:05):
Tough one, tougher one. All right, Here we go linebacker
Sean Merriman, twelfth over all of the Chargers.

Speaker 3 (47:12):
I know who he is, football player. I mean, I
don't know where he went to college. I mean, my gosh,
can I get a conference? Phoning in front? Can I
get a conference?

Speaker 4 (47:22):
Yeah, it's on a it's on it's on a coast
or a CC, I should say, I think, now, actually realignment?

Speaker 1 (47:30):
Yeah a CC, lorda Atlantic, Uh, Stanford, no, Maryland. All
you said, now, I was thinking it was gonna be
one of the big shifters.

Speaker 4 (47:43):
Well, yeah, I should probably should have said that, because
I got.

Speaker 1 (47:46):
I didn't know the answer man.

Speaker 3 (47:48):
This game's kicking me too.

Speaker 1 (47:49):
I second, give me, give it.

Speaker 4 (47:52):
I think you'll get this one. Matt quarterback Jason Campbell.

Speaker 3 (47:55):
Oh he went to Auburn. There you go. I actually
played him. We played him in college. So yeah, that's cool.
So I knew that.

Speaker 1 (48:01):
All right, what's score now?

Speaker 4 (48:03):
Okay, he's got to You got one, Bobby, Okay, ready
to hit me? Okay, first one up? Running back Ronnie Brown, Uh, same,
which is Auburn?

Speaker 3 (48:12):
Yeah that was I knew that one too. Okay.

Speaker 4 (48:17):
What about cornerback Adam Pacman Jones Cincinnati. No, it's not
a West Virginia.

Speaker 3 (48:24):
Oh West Virginia.

Speaker 1 (48:25):
Yeah, you didn't let him steal?

Speaker 3 (48:27):
Oh no, it's okay. I wouldn't have got that anyway.

Speaker 1 (48:30):
Sound very confident.

Speaker 3 (48:31):
I didn't sound very confident.

Speaker 4 (48:33):
Let me steal met West Virginia.

Speaker 5 (48:37):
Okay, all right.

Speaker 4 (48:38):
Wide receiver Brayln Edwards.

Speaker 1 (48:43):
My only recollection of Brelan Edwards is with the Browns steal.
Well not well, that's not my pick for college. I'm
gonna throw something out there, Braylan Edwards. I'm just gonna
go to one of the factories. If I don't know
Florida wrong Michigan.

Speaker 3 (49:00):
Yes, sir, yes, sir.

Speaker 4 (49:02):
No clue, good job, all right, Matt with three, Bobby
with two, two more players to go here. Linebacker Thomas
Davis Junior.

Speaker 1 (49:14):
I have no idea, Thomas Davis Junior.

Speaker 3 (49:18):
I'm not confident on this one either. Florida, No, Matt,
don't even have a pick for you.

Speaker 4 (49:25):
Georgia, George. That tough one, but I figured as sec maybe.

Speaker 1 (49:29):
Okay, I gotta hit this to tie go ahead.

Speaker 4 (49:32):
Running back Darren Sprolls Kansas ate boom, I got some
bonus tie break break well, buzz in with our name, okay,
first one to get a point, okay, number one safety
and Trell roll.

Speaker 1 (49:52):
Bobby go Ohio State. Wrong, I'm just picking factories when
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (49:57):
I don't know, no idea.

Speaker 4 (50:02):
Miami the heyday of their two thousand, all right, d
end Justin Tuck.

Speaker 1 (50:13):
Matt's got his hand like an he just buzzed on
a seat.

Speaker 3 (50:16):
Yes, I got it, buzz.

Speaker 1 (50:20):
Boom, he got it. Yeah, you have to say your
name like Castle.

Speaker 3 (50:23):
Castle.

Speaker 1 (50:24):
He's sitting the buzzer.

Speaker 3 (50:27):
But I'm like, not confident enough. Wait, I'm just gonna
keep tapping it.

Speaker 1 (50:34):
You deserve that before we go. I do want to
hit you with my new list this week. My boy
band list will such a hit you crushed? Thank you.

Speaker 3 (50:42):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (50:42):
My my new list this week is I've made a
list of seven NFL players if they were fast food
menu items.

Speaker 3 (50:48):
Fast food menu items. I like this and.

Speaker 1 (50:51):
Number seven Derrick Henry. He is the double quarter pounder
with extra everything, no frills, just meet strength and violence.

Speaker 3 (50:58):
Well said yes.

Speaker 1 (50:59):
And number six Tyreek Hill hot wings from Popeyes fast, dangerous.
One wrong move and you're sweating from all the holes.

Speaker 3 (51:09):
That works for me.

Speaker 1 (51:11):
Number five brock Purty, he is the Wendy's one dollar
chicken sandwich. Now you didn't expect much, but holy crap,
did it meet all your expectations. In more, Oh, look
at that playing to expectations and cheap is one dollar cheap?

Speaker 3 (51:23):
One dollar? It's not gonna be cheap soon, that's correct.
That's going off the one dollar menu.

Speaker 1 (51:28):
Next up, Josh Allen, the five Guys Bacon cheeseburger, Big aggressive,
probably gonna leave a mess everywhere, but still worth.

Speaker 3 (51:36):
It, solid solid. I would eat that.

Speaker 1 (51:39):
At number three Aaron Rodgers the in and out secret
menu item. They need to ask the guy behind the counter.
You like whisper, I need a chant something, maybe burn
some sage to get it. But it's either amazing or
it gives you food poisoning and you die. It's one
of the two options animal style.

Speaker 3 (51:52):
Yes. Yes.

Speaker 1 (51:53):
Number two Kirk Cousins. Kirk is the Plaine McDonald's cheeseburger, safe, familiar.
You know it's not gonna win any awards, but somehow
it's on the menu every.

Speaker 3 (52:02):
Year, every year, and they're just gonna keep coming back
for it more.

Speaker 1 (52:06):
And Number one Patrick mahomes He is the Chick fil
A Spicy Deluxe with waffle fries, Flashy, elite, consistent. You
don't even need to look at the menu. You just
already know what the best thing is on there. Thank you,
well done, Thank you very much.

Speaker 3 (52:24):
Yes, fast food menu items for the NFL players had
some really bad ones video Yeah I got when I do?

Speaker 1 (52:30):
Those have like nine that are terrible and one that
I just hope HiT's.

Speaker 3 (52:32):
No Taco Bell on that menu.

Speaker 1 (52:34):
No, what would Who would be a player that make
you take it down?

Speaker 3 (52:37):
I won't say that.

Speaker 1 (52:38):
All right, that's it, Thank you, guys. Thanks to Matt
Life for coming on you guys. Check them out. Light
Foundation on Instagram and Twitter. Thanks to Matt Castle. Thanks
to read who's got this episode on? One more left?
Is that it read?

Speaker 3 (52:49):
I think it is?

Speaker 1 (52:50):
Yeah, then you're out of here. Off to Saint Louis.
Off to Saint Louis. Man with the wife who's going
to be a doctor.

Speaker 3 (52:55):
That's right, we're going to miss you. I'm gonna miss you, guys.
I'll be back.

Speaker 1 (52:59):
Maybe we'll miss you.

Speaker 3 (53:00):
Ray.

Speaker 1 (53:01):
We forget his name. We're already yeah, yeah, yeah, missy
Off Kevin, nice job, and thank you everybody for listening.
And if you're watching this on YouTube on on the
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next week.

Speaker 3 (53:15):
Everybody.

Speaker 1 (53:15):
We've had lots to say.

Speaker 5 (53:16):
Bye, guys.

Speaker 1 (53:21):
Why don't we do a top ten mock draft?

Speaker 3 (53:23):
Oh gosh, and.

Speaker 1 (53:26):
We're just going to draft spots.

Speaker 3 (53:29):
Now.

Speaker 1 (53:29):
You can put the team beside him, but we'll see
who does best and we'll check you back in next week.
So let's say you draft Sugar. I'll just say three. Yeah,
And let's say Shuldar is not drafted by the Giants
at three, but he is taking it three by somebody
that trades up. You still get the point because you
put him at three. Fair Okay, so you want to
go first.

Speaker 3 (53:47):
I think it's the easiest one in the Tennessee Titans.

Speaker 1 (53:49):
You can do your whole top ten and I'll have
to number one.

Speaker 3 (53:53):
Number one for the Tennessee Titans, I've got cam Ward.
I believe that they're committed to this kid, and that's
going to happen Cleveland. I believe Cleveland goes with Travis Hunter.
They brought in care Any Pickett, Joe Flacco. They don't
know what's going on with Watson. But at the same time,
I think this guy is a special talent and he'll
add a lot of value to that wide receiver room.

(54:15):
Even though I do believe that he might be a
better corner. I think he's gonna come in Giants. I
think the Giants are going with Abdull Carter. I don't
know how you pass up on him, because they brought
in Russell Wilson Jamis Winston. They have two veteran quarterbacks.
Do they view Shador Sanders' skill set so much better
than those two guys.

Speaker 1 (54:34):
I don't know, But Abdall Carter maybe you know, broken foot, low, undersized.

Speaker 3 (54:39):
Still good, dude, I'm still good. Don't try to talk
me out of that.

Speaker 1 (54:42):
I'm not trying to talk about ams asking.

Speaker 3 (54:44):
I mean, I think I watched that kid play last year.
He is special and he's also so versatile. Where he
started out at linebacker at Penn State, he didn't move
into the defensive end position till this year. That just
shows what type of special talent he is. Do you
remember in the bowl game?

Speaker 1 (54:59):
Yeah, I played with the with one one arm completely yeah.

Speaker 3 (55:02):
Right, yes, is unbelievable. New England Patriot. I'm going with
Will Campbell, even with his short arms. I like this kid.
He's a five year star, four year starter at LSU
since the day he stepped on campus. He is a
really solid left tackle and they need help at the
left tackle. Jacksonville. Jacksonville is a tricky one for me,
but I'm gonna go with Mason Graham. I saw him

(55:23):
play for Michigan last year. This guy is a beast
in the interior part of the defense and he'll add
a lot of depth there. Raiders, I'm gonna go. I'm
gonna take a running back first one off the board.
Ashton Genty I think that that with Gino Smith already there,
they've got some pieces, but they need a running running game.
And you know Pete Carroll and what he likes to

(55:47):
do is he likes the control, the time of possession
with the run game. Mary that New York Jets. I'm
gonna go with is it Membo? Yeah, he's a stud.
I think that they need some help there for the
New York Jets. Their right tackle left I think this
last offseason got picked up by New England, so they're
gonna want to fill that spot. Carolina Panthers. I'm going

(56:09):
with Jalen Walker from Georgia Edge and then New Orleans.
M this is where I go, like, do do they
take Shador? I'm gonna go to Shad Door Sanders to
New Orleans at ten? How about that New Orleans?

Speaker 1 (56:25):
Wait at nine? You're at nine?

Speaker 3 (56:26):
Am? I at nine? Yeah? Yeahs?

Speaker 1 (56:29):
Who do you have a ten?

Speaker 3 (56:30):
Ten? I got Chicago? Yeah, and that will be is it?
Michael Williams's it's up to Georgia.

Speaker 1 (56:38):
Okay, uh huh, we only have We're only one off
of each other, the whole, the whole. Yeah, yes, it's
we're like we don't know where they're going to go,
and we were pretty much right on. I have cam
Moore at Tennessee. I can't see unless somebody offers a
ton of everything to Tennessee. I can't see them trading
out of cam Ward Travis Hunter at two with the Browns.
I'd be curious to know if the Browns are going

(56:59):
to end up grabbing a Kirk Cousins type player or
if they're gonna let pick it run it to kind
of tank, because if pick at your quarterback, you're kind
of tanking the season.

Speaker 3 (57:11):
And this guy was a first round pick.

Speaker 1 (57:14):
Just can't pick it. Yeah, for Pittsburgh, I.

Speaker 3 (57:18):
Surely worked his way out of that role, started some games,
got hurt.

Speaker 1 (57:22):
And Mason Randolphin of coming in starting that back part
of that year. Uh So, I do have Travis Hunter
going to the Browns, but I'm wondering what they're gonna
do a quarterback because if they do nothing else other
than pick it and Flacco, they're purposefully losing, yes, because
they can't get a free agent quarterback, and Deshaun Watson
will never play again. He'll never play again.

Speaker 3 (57:41):
Not after a second Achilles and.

Speaker 1 (57:43):
The and with that, what the owner saying, we messed
up by by that contract, I would say, so you
can't really let him play again. And once you had
Abdul Carter, Sam Giants, he's awesome. I have Will Campbell.
But here's the thing about Will Campbell going to the
Patriots at four and I think Kevin probably likes that
Will Campbell goes to the Patriots. I think you definitely
need some protection for your quarterback. But at his pro day,

(58:04):
as arms measured longer, Yeah, I don't care, I'm stretching out.

Speaker 3 (58:09):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 4 (58:09):
And then the combine you're saying, I'm not looking in
the arms as much. I'm all about the film, watch film,
watching game's lsu.

Speaker 3 (58:15):
He's a stud.

Speaker 1 (58:16):
He was a stud. But the narrative has been little
arms Trannosaurus Rex. But I would just like to say,
as much as I have also participated in that narrative,
that I did see that at his pro day they
remeasured him and his arms were a low longer.

Speaker 4 (58:29):
Sounds like a little home field advantage.

Speaker 3 (58:31):
Probably, yes, Probably, So that's why you go to your
pro day.

Speaker 1 (58:35):
Mason Graham was on it was the most dominant defensive
tackle I saw anywhere last year. Jacksonville Worth saying there
Gentu the Raiders, and I have Gentu the Raiders as
well running back the only change. And I'm not picking
anybody about Genty, but I could see them drafting Shador
as their pick. If one, let's say, if the Pats
end up taking Genty, I could see them jumping to Shadoor.

(58:58):
But I could also see if that happens New Orleans
trading up because they're both It's a race to Shador
once Genty goes, It's a race to Shador for sure.

Speaker 3 (59:06):
That's where the magic might happen right there, with the
trade outs, you know, draft capital, this, that and the other.
Who's going to come up to get your door?

Speaker 1 (59:13):
Membo's awesome. I watched him play Yes. When we talked
to Missouri's head coach, Coach Drink, he was just raving
about Membo and that also is going to be a
real program leader for them. For him to get drafted
so high Carolina, anybody from Georgia is just awesome. They
translate big time to the pros because they're basically basically
playing the pros.

Speaker 3 (59:34):
Already.

Speaker 1 (59:35):
Shit her at nine, and then I have Tyler Warren
for the Bears at ten. Tyler Warren I like that
because Tyler Warren did everything in high school. First of all,
he was a quarterback. Once he went to college with
Penn State, he was a tight end. They built offense
full offensive packages around him. But he also played a
little quarterback. Tyler Warren can do it all.

Speaker 3 (59:51):
But he can do it.

Speaker 1 (59:51):
He can run the ball, he can catch the ball,
he can he can split out wide. He can also
play tight in a block. So I have him going
ten to the Bears.

Speaker 3 (59:57):
Love that.

Speaker 1 (59:57):
So we're the same except for number ten. And we
bet ten thousand dollars on this. Yeah, so I'm feeling
pretty good about it. Thatsh money.

Speaker 3 (01:00:03):
Yes, sir gets your bag.

Speaker 1 (01:00:05):
Yeah, we got lots to save, lots to say with
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