April 25, 2025 • 12 mins
Buck Sexton is joined by GOP strategist and former Trump 2020 comms director Erin Maguire to unpack the chaos and headlines from Trump World. From Putin’s aggression in Ukraine to the media’s obsession with painting Trump as soft on Russia. Plus: Inside the West Wing—how the Trump administration’s media strategy is flipping the script on legacy outlets, and what the press is really saying behind closed doors.
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
You're listening to the Buck Sexton Show podcast, make sure
you subscribe to the podcast on the iHeartRadio app or
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Speaker 2 (00:20):
What's going on in Trump World a lot? Aaron Maguire
joins to make sense of it all. She was Trump
twenty twenty communications director, and she is a GOP strategist,
the lady who knows what's going on in DC inside
the Beltway. Let's start with this. Is Trump going to
have to drop the hammer, so to speak on Vladimir Putin?
He's saying today he's very upset with what vlad has
(00:42):
been doing, both in the negotiation stalling and the recent
strike in Kiev. Are we going to see a different
tone from him?
Speaker 1 (00:50):
I would hope so, because we're now seeing escalation from
Vladimir Putin when it comes to Ukraine. And Donald Trump
is completely correct when he says this war would have
never happened if he was president. Joe Biden capitulated to
Russia on the nord Stream two natural gas pipeline circum
Ukraine and sending that gas straight to Germany.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
When Russia didn't.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
Need Ukraine anymore, they went in and invaded, and that
was because Joe Biden, and so Donald Trump now has
to clean up another mess created by the Biden geopolitical disaster.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
So now they are going to have to shift that.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
I believe they're messaging techniques not only nationally, but their
negotiation techniques with Putin because he's not backing.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Down at this point.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
An escalation to bombing apartments in Kiev at this point
means that he has to get tougher and stronger on
Russia so that Ukraine can maintain its sovereignty and this
war can end, because ultimately, the American people do not
want to be footing an endless war.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
I remember that Trump had mentioned taking far more aggressive
sanctions even than we have seen so far against Russia.
If Putin decides to mess around and find out looks
like we may be getting closer to that, now, how
do you think how would the messaging go on that
from the people. Let's assume for a second that Trump
does take a much harder line and take some very
(02:12):
stern action against Russia on this one. We've been told
for a decade now that Trump is Russia's best friend.
I know that's not true. You know that's not true,
But what do they say at you know, CBS, even News.
How does the New York Times process Trump being tough
on Russia? And we've been told for so long, oh,
he would never do such a thing.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
They will do what the legacy media always does and
give it a what aboutism.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
They're going to try and find a way that even
if Donald.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Trump ratchets up sanctions to cripple Russia's economy, to cripple
their energy industry, to cripple their ability to finance this war,
the media will go and say, oh, but he didn't
put this sanction on. Oh, he didn't go far enough here.
Oh he missed this one spot, instead of acknowledging the
reality that any ratcheting up of sanctions against Russia is
(03:01):
a strong move by the president, But they will dismiss
it before he does it and when he does.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
It as well.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
You've worked in communications for the Trump campaign and have
been around those folks for a long time. I wanted
you to tell me what you think about this. Donald
Trump put this out on truth Social earlier today. He said,
later today, I'll be I'm quoting here everyone. Later today
I will be meeting with of all people, Jeffrey Goldberg,
(03:27):
the editor of the Atlantic and the person responsible for
many fictional stories about me, including the made up hoax
on Suckers and Losers and Signal Gate, something he was
somewhat more quote successful with. Jeffrey is bringing with him
Michael Scherer and Ashley Parker not exactly pro Trump writers either.
To put it mildly, the story they are writing, they
(03:48):
have told my representatives will be entitled the most consequential
President of this century. I'm doing this interview out of
curiosity and as a competition with myself, just to see
if it is possible for the Atlantic to be truthful.
Are they capable of writing a fair story on Trump?
Go ahead, Yeah, I.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
Mean I haven't seen one to date, but this is
going to be very interesting, and what a different position
you're seeing from this White House to really any previous administration.
The Atlantic has written a number of very aggressive negative
articles about the President that have been refuted by direct
sources who were there with knowledge at the time, but
they've continued to run these stories.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
But Trump's not afraid of when people lie about him.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
So He's going straight into the belly of the beast,
or really the beast is coming straight.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
To the president right now.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
And he is going to have a conversation with them,
person to person about his presidency, about what he's been doing, and.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
About how they've gotten it wrong.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
There are few leaders in the world who are willing
to confront challenges head on or fake narratives or the
people who lie about them, but Donald Trump is. And
that comes from a position of power. It comes from
that position where when you don't have to talk off
the record to reporters, when you don't have to pretend
that you have to hide something, and you just get
to speak the truth.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
Most politicians don't do that.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
It gives you the biggest leverage against reporters because when
you go off the record, that's when they have something
against you. So he's bringing them in and he's growing
right at them.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
Yes, it's interesting that he has somebody on who's so
clearly wants to in my mind, at least with all
this signal gait reporting, really wants to see the Secretary
of Defense Pete Hegseeth resign or get fired, forced to
resign whatever from his role. What do you think the
(05:38):
why is heg seth the target of the anti Trump
media so much. I mean, you've got a lot of
people who could be right RFK Junior Telsey Gabbard. There
are a number of folks that have been something of
a lightning rods for criticism from the Democrats in the left.
I think in park Is there are people that crossed
over from the Democrat Party, but there are others as well.
Why so much anger at Hegseth from these journals? Why
(06:01):
do they want his scout more than any other? It
still a tends time for those living in Israel. Eighteen
months after the Hamas terrorist attack, the threat of another
missile attack by one of three enemy of Israel is
still very real. For every effort there to lead a
normal life, there are reminders that a missile attack may
occur at any given moment, on any given day. That's
why I'm partnering with the International Fellowship of Christians and
(06:22):
Jews to stand with the people of Israel. IFCJ helps
provide life saving aid and security essentials, your urgently needed
gift today will help provide security essentials like bomb shelters,
flack jackets, and bulletproof vests. These will help first responders,
armored security vehicles, ambulances and more. Join me in standing
with the people of Israel. Call to make your gift
(06:42):
at eight eight eight four eight eight IFCJ. That's eight
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Speaker 1 (06:56):
It just seems to be that he came from the
right side of the news media and that for them alone,
was the ultimate scene for Pete Hegseth. But there's something
different that the Trump administration is doing now. They have
rapid response Twitter accounts across all of their agencies. So
when a fake news story like this comes out about
Pete haig Seth wanting to add a bunch of makeup
(07:18):
lighting to a studio at the DoD, they can tweet
the photo and they immediately put out the correct information
saying none of this is true and here are the facts.
They are fighting step by step every way to get
the truth out there as the media continues to lie,
and so they have their target on Hegseth. And I
really think it because he comes from the Fox News
(07:39):
wing the party, he comes from the Republican side. He's
very much a conservative warrior, and because he comes from
the right side media they.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
Do not like that.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
What do you think of the administration's changes that have
happened in the West wing. You know, you've got now
people getting access to the press briefing that we haven't
seen there before. You Is there a lot of grumbling
from the Associated Press and some of these others or
are they just taking it because they have no choice?
Speaker 3 (08:10):
Well, it's twofold one.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
They hate that their blessed briefing room has been disrupted,
how dare you and the sanctity of where everybody sits
in their assigned seats like this is the school bus
in nineteen ninety eight. But besides that, they get mad
about that publicly, but privately they actually really like what
this White House is doing. Reporters are telling me, I
can go back into the lower Press office, I can
(08:34):
go into the Press Secretary's office, the communications Director's office.
I have constant access to folks who are willing to
give me interviews, willing to answer my questions, willing to
explain what's going on at any point. So while the
legacy media is mad, big mad out publicly about the
upending of the traditions that they so held dear as
(08:55):
they held on to the narratives in this country, but
behind the scenes, they really like the access they are
getting and their ability to find the people they need to.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
Get the stories right.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
It is an amazing relationship that the anti Trump political
press corps political media has with Trump, because while I
know that they are dead set against him ideologically in
so many ways, they still realize I think they kind
of need him if they want anyone to read or
pay attention to what they're doing. Right, there's this I
(09:28):
don't know if it's a love hate relationship. I don't
think they love him, but it's a relationship of need
even though they have disdain, right because Donald Trump is
the greatest political show on earth and there's no way
around that for them. So to your point, access is
deeply meaningful to them, even if they don't like what
said when they have that access.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
That's one of their hardest things is that they want
to disagree so much and argue with the administration, But
the fact that they even get their questions asked and
answered is so different for them. With the Biden administration,
they went months without being able to ask the President
of the United States a single question to his face,
but Donald Trump does every day, and that love hay relationship.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
Again, it's because I really believe it. It's because there
is so much.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
Entrenched in the left wing media against right ideology, against
conservatives and Republicans that if Donald Trump had come down
the gold escalator and said he was a Democrat, he
would be their hero. But he came down that escalator
and he talked about America first and being a Republican
and the right to life and conservatism, and that ticked
(10:36):
them off. He makes great news, he's great headlines because
he's unafraid, but they hate the fact that he's conservative.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
What do you say to anybody who's concerned about the
economy and the impact of the tariffs at this point, Yeah,
this is.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
A long term game by the White House that is
going to cause short term pain, and they're saying that
openly again, not lying to the American people that in
order to change the economy, to up end and put
America on stronger footing, you got to blow up the
base first to rebuild the foundation.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
And that's what he's doing. It's clear the.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
American people are growing more concerned about the trade and
the tariff policy. Specifically, the American people like it more
when they know that tariffs are a step and a
tool to the final outcomes that will make the country better.
But this White House does a great job communicating that message,
is getting pushed down by the left leaning media to
(11:27):
to be able to say and talk to the American
people about what's happening right now. So I would encourage
this White House to lean in more on their own
independence as a source of information themselves, to talk to
the American people about the strategy and about where we're going.
Because the more that the legacy media drives that narrative
that this is so chaotic and so hard and so awful,
(11:50):
the harder it will be for the White House to.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
Gain that ground back.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
Aaron Maguire, great to see you. Thank you so much.
We'll talk to you again soon.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
Thanks.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
When I first came across this story, I had to
read it twice. You'll hear why in a moment. For
over one hundred and sixty years, an asset worth one
hundred and fifty trillion dollars has been buried on American soil.
This endowment, so to speak, is so large it could
pay off our national debt four times over. Why has
it been kept secret for so long? Well, thanks to
a Supreme Court decision, President Trump could soon release it
(12:19):
to the public. Jim Rickards, former advisor to the White
House and Federal Reserve, says, if you're over fifty, this
could be your best chance to build lasting wealth from
a once in a century event. This story may be
published as soon as May third. To watch Jim's interview,
go online to birthright twenty twenty five dot com. If
he's right, it could make President Trump the most popular
president in history and help millions of investors retire wealthy.
(12:42):
Go to birthright twenty twenty five dot com to get
the details free of charge. Paid for by Paradigm Press.
You're listening to the Buck Sexton Show podcast, make sure
you subscribe to the podcast on the iHeartRadio app or
wherever you get your podcasts.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
What's going on in Trump World a lot? Aaron Maguire
joins to make sense of it all. She was Trump
twenty twenty communications director, and she is a GOP strategist,
the lady who knows what's going on in DC inside
the Beltway. Let's start with this. Is Trump going to
have to drop the hammer, so to speak on Vladimir Putin?
He's saying today he's very upset with what vlad has
(00:42):
been doing, both in the negotiation stalling and the recent
strike in Kiev. Are we going to see a different
tone from him?
Speaker 1 (00:50):
I would hope so, because we're now seeing escalation from
Vladimir Putin when it comes to Ukraine. And Donald Trump
is completely correct when he says this war would have
never happened if he was president. Joe Biden capitulated to
Russia on the nord Stream two natural gas pipeline circum
Ukraine and sending that gas straight to Germany.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
When Russia didn't.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
Need Ukraine anymore, they went in and invaded, and that
was because Joe Biden, and so Donald Trump now has
to clean up another mess created by the Biden geopolitical disaster.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
So now they are going to have to shift that.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
I believe they're messaging techniques not only nationally, but their
negotiation techniques with Putin because he's not backing.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Down at this point.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
An escalation to bombing apartments in Kiev at this point
means that he has to get tougher and stronger on
Russia so that Ukraine can maintain its sovereignty and this
war can end, because ultimately, the American people do not
want to be footing an endless war.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
I remember that Trump had mentioned taking far more aggressive
sanctions even than we have seen so far against Russia.
If Putin decides to mess around and find out looks
like we may be getting closer to that, now, how
do you think how would the messaging go on that
from the people. Let's assume for a second that Trump
does take a much harder line and take some very
(02:12):
stern action against Russia on this one. We've been told
for a decade now that Trump is Russia's best friend.
I know that's not true. You know that's not true,
But what do they say at you know, CBS, even News.
How does the New York Times process Trump being tough
on Russia? And we've been told for so long, oh,
he would never do such a thing.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
They will do what the legacy media always does and
give it a what aboutism.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
They're going to try and find a way that even
if Donald.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Trump ratchets up sanctions to cripple Russia's economy, to cripple
their energy industry, to cripple their ability to finance this war,
the media will go and say, oh, but he didn't
put this sanction on. Oh, he didn't go far enough here.
Oh he missed this one spot, instead of acknowledging the
reality that any ratcheting up of sanctions against Russia is
(03:01):
a strong move by the president, But they will dismiss
it before he does it and when he does.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
It as well.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
You've worked in communications for the Trump campaign and have
been around those folks for a long time. I wanted
you to tell me what you think about this. Donald
Trump put this out on truth Social earlier today. He said,
later today, I'll be I'm quoting here everyone. Later today
I will be meeting with of all people, Jeffrey Goldberg,
(03:27):
the editor of the Atlantic and the person responsible for
many fictional stories about me, including the made up hoax
on Suckers and Losers and Signal Gate, something he was
somewhat more quote successful with. Jeffrey is bringing with him
Michael Scherer and Ashley Parker not exactly pro Trump writers either.
To put it mildly, the story they are writing, they
(03:48):
have told my representatives will be entitled the most consequential
President of this century. I'm doing this interview out of
curiosity and as a competition with myself, just to see
if it is possible for the Atlantic to be truthful.
Are they capable of writing a fair story on Trump?
Go ahead, Yeah, I.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
Mean I haven't seen one to date, but this is
going to be very interesting, and what a different position
you're seeing from this White House to really any previous administration.
The Atlantic has written a number of very aggressive negative
articles about the President that have been refuted by direct
sources who were there with knowledge at the time, but
they've continued to run these stories.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
But Trump's not afraid of when people lie about him.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
So He's going straight into the belly of the beast,
or really the beast is coming straight.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
To the president right now.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
And he is going to have a conversation with them,
person to person about his presidency, about what he's been doing, and.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
About how they've gotten it wrong.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
There are few leaders in the world who are willing
to confront challenges head on or fake narratives or the
people who lie about them, but Donald Trump is. And
that comes from a position of power. It comes from
that position where when you don't have to talk off
the record to reporters, when you don't have to pretend
that you have to hide something, and you just get
to speak the truth.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
Most politicians don't do that.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
It gives you the biggest leverage against reporters because when
you go off the record, that's when they have something
against you. So he's bringing them in and he's growing
right at them.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
Yes, it's interesting that he has somebody on who's so
clearly wants to in my mind, at least with all
this signal gait reporting, really wants to see the Secretary
of Defense Pete Hegseeth resign or get fired, forced to
resign whatever from his role. What do you think the
(05:38):
why is heg seth the target of the anti Trump
media so much. I mean, you've got a lot of
people who could be right RFK Junior Telsey Gabbard. There
are a number of folks that have been something of
a lightning rods for criticism from the Democrats in the left.
I think in park Is there are people that crossed
over from the Democrat Party, but there are others as well.
Why so much anger at Hegseth from these journals? Why
(06:01):
do they want his scout more than any other? It
still a tends time for those living in Israel. Eighteen
months after the Hamas terrorist attack, the threat of another
missile attack by one of three enemy of Israel is
still very real. For every effort there to lead a
normal life, there are reminders that a missile attack may
occur at any given moment, on any given day. That's
why I'm partnering with the International Fellowship of Christians and
(06:22):
Jews to stand with the people of Israel. IFCJ helps
provide life saving aid and security essentials, your urgently needed
gift today will help provide security essentials like bomb shelters,
flack jackets, and bulletproof vests. These will help first responders,
armored security vehicles, ambulances and more. Join me in standing
with the people of Israel. Call to make your gift
(06:42):
at eight eight eight four eight eight IFCJ. That's eight
eight eight four eight eight four three two five, or
online at SUPPORTIFCJ dot org. That support IFCJ dot org.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
It just seems to be that he came from the
right side of the news media and that for them alone,
was the ultimate scene for Pete Hegseth. But there's something
different that the Trump administration is doing now. They have
rapid response Twitter accounts across all of their agencies. So
when a fake news story like this comes out about
Pete haig Seth wanting to add a bunch of makeup
(07:18):
lighting to a studio at the DoD, they can tweet
the photo and they immediately put out the correct information
saying none of this is true and here are the facts.
They are fighting step by step every way to get
the truth out there as the media continues to lie,
and so they have their target on Hegseth. And I
really think it because he comes from the Fox News
(07:39):
wing the party, he comes from the Republican side. He's
very much a conservative warrior, and because he comes from
the right side media they.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
Do not like that.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
What do you think of the administration's changes that have
happened in the West wing. You know, you've got now
people getting access to the press briefing that we haven't
seen there before. You Is there a lot of grumbling
from the Associated Press and some of these others or
are they just taking it because they have no choice?
Speaker 3 (08:10):
Well, it's twofold one.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
They hate that their blessed briefing room has been disrupted,
how dare you and the sanctity of where everybody sits
in their assigned seats like this is the school bus
in nineteen ninety eight. But besides that, they get mad
about that publicly, but privately they actually really like what
this White House is doing. Reporters are telling me, I
can go back into the lower Press office, I can
(08:34):
go into the Press Secretary's office, the communications Director's office.
I have constant access to folks who are willing to
give me interviews, willing to answer my questions, willing to
explain what's going on at any point. So while the
legacy media is mad, big mad out publicly about the
upending of the traditions that they so held dear as
(08:55):
they held on to the narratives in this country, but
behind the scenes, they really like the access they are
getting and their ability to find the people they need to.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
Get the stories right.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
It is an amazing relationship that the anti Trump political
press corps political media has with Trump, because while I
know that they are dead set against him ideologically in
so many ways, they still realize I think they kind
of need him if they want anyone to read or
pay attention to what they're doing. Right, there's this I
(09:28):
don't know if it's a love hate relationship. I don't
think they love him, but it's a relationship of need
even though they have disdain, right because Donald Trump is
the greatest political show on earth and there's no way
around that for them. So to your point, access is
deeply meaningful to them, even if they don't like what
said when they have that access.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
That's one of their hardest things is that they want
to disagree so much and argue with the administration, But
the fact that they even get their questions asked and
answered is so different for them. With the Biden administration,
they went months without being able to ask the President
of the United States a single question to his face,
but Donald Trump does every day, and that love hay relationship.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
Again, it's because I really believe it. It's because there
is so much.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
Entrenched in the left wing media against right ideology, against
conservatives and Republicans that if Donald Trump had come down
the gold escalator and said he was a Democrat, he
would be their hero. But he came down that escalator
and he talked about America first and being a Republican
and the right to life and conservatism, and that ticked
(10:36):
them off. He makes great news, he's great headlines because
he's unafraid, but they hate the fact that he's conservative.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
What do you say to anybody who's concerned about the
economy and the impact of the tariffs at this point, Yeah,
this is.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
A long term game by the White House that is
going to cause short term pain, and they're saying that
openly again, not lying to the American people that in
order to change the economy, to up end and put
America on stronger footing, you got to blow up the
base first to rebuild the foundation.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
And that's what he's doing. It's clear the.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
American people are growing more concerned about the trade and
the tariff policy. Specifically, the American people like it more
when they know that tariffs are a step and a
tool to the final outcomes that will make the country better.
But this White House does a great job communicating that message,
is getting pushed down by the left leaning media to
(11:27):
to be able to say and talk to the American
people about what's happening right now. So I would encourage
this White House to lean in more on their own
independence as a source of information themselves, to talk to
the American people about the strategy and about where we're going.
Because the more that the legacy media drives that narrative
that this is so chaotic and so hard and so awful,
(11:50):
the harder it will be for the White House to.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
Gain that ground back.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
Aaron Maguire, great to see you. Thank you so much.
We'll talk to you again soon.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
Thanks.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
When I first came across this story, I had to
read it twice. You'll hear why in a moment. For
over one hundred and sixty years, an asset worth one
hundred and fifty trillion dollars has been buried on American soil.
This endowment, so to speak, is so large it could
pay off our national debt four times over. Why has
it been kept secret for so long? Well, thanks to
a Supreme Court decision, President Trump could soon release it
(12:19):
to the public. Jim Rickards, former advisor to the White
House and Federal Reserve, says, if you're over fifty, this
could be your best chance to build lasting wealth from
a once in a century event. This story may be
published as soon as May third. To watch Jim's interview,
go online to birthright twenty twenty five dot com. If
he's right, it could make President Trump the most popular
president in history and help millions of investors retire wealthy.
(12:42):
Go to birthright twenty twenty five dot com to get
the details free of charge. Paid for by Paradigm Press.
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