April 23, 2025 • 63 mins
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Hour 1 of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show dives into a range of pressing topics, starting with discussions on Trump's economy and his evolving stance on trade deals with China. The hosts speculate whether Trump's approach is genuine or a strategic head fake. They also highlight Border Czar Tom Homan's significant contributions to the Trump administration, particularly in deportation efforts and combating the Kilmar Abrego Garcia Martyrdom industrial complex.
The conversation shifts to Elon Musk and the challenges Tesla faces with its profits, suggesting Musk might refocus on his core businesses. Market updates are provided, noting the stability and performance of the Clayfolio. The hosts then address the Democratic Party's internal struggles, including the Biden dementia cover-up and the ongoing push for the trans agenda, emphasizing the impact of the Supreme Court's composition on these issues.
Covid-19 remains a hot topic, with discussions on school shutdowns and the detrimental effects on disadvantaged children, which was outlined by guest David Zweig on Tuesday's show and his book "An Abundance of Caution: American Schools, the Virus, and a Story of Bad Decisions." The hosts criticize Randi Weingarten's role in the prolonged closures and her attempts to rewrite history.
We Are Pro-Book, But...
They also touch on the Supreme Court's recent arguments regarding controversial books in schools, uniting parents across religious lines in opposition to certain content. The show features a segment on parental involvement in education, stressing its importance over financial resources. The hosts argue that teachers' unions are a malignant force in children's education and advocate for the elimination of public sector unions for teachers. They also discuss the need for more children and family formation, highlighting the role of parents in educational success.
The hour concludes with a critique of the gender ideology being taught to young children, questioning the necessity and appropriateness of such content. The hosts argue that this indoctrination is part of a broader agenda to reshape societal norms and emphasize the importance of parental vigilance in educational matters.
Interior Secretary Doug Burgum
Clay and Buck interview Secretary of the Interior Doug Burgum. Burgum shares his unique experience at Michael Jordan's basketball camp, providing a personal touch to the conversation. The focus then shifts to Burgum's role and priorities as Interior Secretary, emphasizing energy dominance and the importance of domestic energy production. Burgum highlights the vast resources managed by the Interior Department, including 500 million acres of surface land and 700 million acres of subsurface land rich in minerals and energy sources.
The conversation delves into the climate change debate, criticizing the Biden administration's policies that restrict domestic energy production, leading to increased reliance on foreign oil and gas. Burgum argues that U.S. energy production is cleaner and more efficient and reducing domestic output harms both the environment and national security. The discussion also covers the significance of rare earth minerals, essential for technology and defense, and the need to boost domestic mining to reduce dependence on China.
The hour concludes with a poignant segment on the renaming of a U.S. Fish and Wildlife refuge in honor of Jocelyn Nungaray, a young girl tragically killed by illegal immigrants. The renaming underscores the Trump administration's commitment to secure borders and public safety.
The Trump Track Record
Trump's trade policies, particularly his stance on China and the European Union. Trump asserts that the days of the U.S. being taken advantage of in trade deals are over, and he aims to make substantial economic gains for the country. The hosts discuss the com
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome everybody to the Wednesday edition of The Clay Travis
and Buck Sexton Show. We got a lot to dive
into with all of you. Thank you so much for
rolling with us. We've got let me see here, Trump's
economy more coming out on the trade deals. Trump attach
said it's gonna be very He's gonna be very nice
to China. We'll see how long that lasts. Is he
(00:22):
gonna be nice to China's It's a head fake? What's
going on here? Trump is being Trump Tom Holman laying
down the law here. You know, I have borderline Homan
Man crush. This is a guy who is essential to
the future of the Republic, who knows his portfolio as
well as anybody, and who is just doing a fantastic
(00:45):
job for the Trump administration. And he is not going
to abide any nonsense when it comes to the efforts
to sabotage a deportation efforts and the whole abra Goo
Garcia Martyrdom industrial complex that is going on right now.
(01:06):
We're not going to allow that to just go or
he's not going to allow that to just be a
thing where they turn this guy into a symbol. Elon
Musk weighing it again. Rough rough period here for a
Tesla profits Elon's going to be heading back. I think
pretty soon he's going to be going back to focusing
on what it is that he needs to be doing,
(01:28):
which is other than doge, which is running some of
the most important and innovative companies in the world. Markets,
just making sure nothing's changed since our last check. Market's
looking pretty good. Do you ever look at I can
you know how I can tell guys Clay's Clay's pretty
cool as a cute cover right now. You know, if
I come in here, the market's down twelve hundred points.
Clay has this look on his face. He's not a
(01:50):
happy camper about it, because you know, he's got to
manage the Clay, the Clay folio, the portfolio of all
things Clay, and he does not like it when that
market is getting crushed. But let's have some fun with
something else for a moment here, because you know, we
had on yesterday David's wig and I know, you know,
look talking COVID, some of you are like, oh, we
(02:10):
have to move on. You see what's going on right
now is the Democrats are having to exercise the demons
from within a bit here. They're having to at least
go through a process of the whole Biden dementia cover up.
What was that all about? Are they really going to
(02:30):
keep pushing on this trans stuff? I think the answer
is yes, by the way, but they're at least looking
around saying how do we win on an eighty twenty
maybe ninety ten issue nationally? And then you also have,
by the way, Clay, I just one thing I would
throw out there. If we had a different Supreme Court.
I know this is I'm weaving here, everybody, but weave
with me. If we had a different Supreme Court, you
(02:53):
would have the trans agenda would have been mandated the
same way Roe v. Wade was. I truly believe that.
So if loses and we have a different Supreme Court makeup,
you have a dic tot from the court years ago
saying that you know you have to I actually think
that could have happened, as crazy as that may sound
(03:13):
now because we have a more sane court. But on
the COVID thing, we had Zwagon yesterday and we were
talking to him about the school shutdowns, which is I know, Clay,
this is tough, so many of it. What is the
thing that gets you the angriest. And we're gonna Randy
Winegarden's out there. I'm gonna tie this into the news
(03:34):
cycle here today in just a moment, everyone, What is
the COVID thing that at this point takes you off
the most? I still think the lab leak for our people,
for our side, the lie about the lab leak is
the one that gets them the most aggravated. What is
it for you?
Speaker 2 (03:50):
It's still that kids weren't able to go to school
for almost two years, And honestly, I thought David's wig
yesterday really kind of brought at home. But I've tried
to hammer this as well. The kids that were the
most disadvantaged during COVID were the ones that had the
least privilege and the least opportunity in.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
The first place.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
Because if you're Gavin Newsom's kids, he puts you in
a private school even while all the public schools are
shut down, and his kids are getting an elite education,
if you are wealthy enough to have private tutors, if
you are fortunate enough to have had parents who could
be involved in your education because they weren't having to
go to work. To try to make sure that you
(04:33):
had a roof over your head. Then COVID was not ideal,
but you were able to make through it, potentially even thrive.
I've said this before, but he was I guess ten
at the time when COVID happened. My ten year old.
When twenty twenty ended, remember how everybody was celebrating ball
drops and they're like, boy, I'm so glad twenty twenty's over.
(04:54):
He was like, no, Dad, twenty twenty was the best
year ever. And I said, well, what do you mean
And he said, Dad, we got out of school and
didn't have to go back in March. You know, if
you're a kid, one snow days a big deal. They
basically got two months of snow days. And he said,
and this was I thought, really kind of touching. He
was like, you and mom were home all the time,
(05:15):
Like you weren't. I wasn't traveling very much for work.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
Right.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
So, for a lot of young kids, if you were
fortunate enough to have parents who were able to be
around the household, they came through it fine. They might
have even thrived. But on the other hand, if your
mom or your dad or you're a single parent household
and they're having to bust their ass to try to
make sure that you're taken care of, and they don't
have quote, non essential jobs, or they get to eat
(05:39):
cheetos and watch Netflix from home and order door Dash.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
If you don't have all.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Those opportunities, then you might not have had Wi Fi
at home. You didn't have any real educational environment surrounding you,
you had.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
No support structure.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
We threw the least disadvantaged, the kids who needed school
in person the most to the wolves, and unfortunately we're reaping.
I think the consequences of that awful decision, and a
big part of it was Randy Winegarden, who is still
trying to claim and I think it's important to hold
these people accountable that she had nothing to do with
(06:15):
why schools didn't reopen. And it's a lie, and it's
a really nasty lie. Yeah, it's a Soviet style rewriting
of history by the Chief Teachers Union Commissar. And I
really believe that the chief villain of Covid, there were
many the chief villain of COVID is Fauci, but Randy
Winegarden was right there.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
You know. If she wasn't Mao, she was chew and lay,
she was the next up on the podium, or she
was somebody who was particularly destructive and dishonest. But here
she is. She was on first. Well. First of all,
she goes on Martha McCallum show and does something. I
can tell you. Martha's a nice lady, but she's very
(07:00):
very serious about what she does, very professional in what
she does. She did not appreciate this is cut eight.
Listen to this.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
We know that money does not equate a better outcome
because in Newark, New Jersey, you have a per student,
per capita expenditure that is one of the highest in
the country, and you have.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Actually very very different Martha.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
Martha, sweetheart, sweetheart, listened to me, she does I'm sorry, my.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
Bad, Clay. First of all, I love Martha. I love
Martha the first Amendment, and Sweetheart, I was just waiting
for her to say it. I do.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
I do that show with Martha every Friday. She's super smart.
I love her. What is Randy Winegarden thinking calling? I
don't know, sweetheart, that is just super First of all,
Randy Winegarden isn't a ninety year old man, right, So
in order for Martha McCollum to be like a sweetheart
to somebody. It's like a grandfatherly older figure, right. Randy
(07:57):
Winegarden is in rough contemporary universe age with Martha. Super
weird answer there, and Martha is also really good like
on the fly A lot of people worry about what
the response is gonna be. She just like comes back immediately,
so good for her. But what Martha's pointing out there
that Randy's trying to cut off is if we just
(08:18):
looked at pure per pupil expenditure, many Democrat cities should
have the greatest students of all time because the amount
of money that's being spent on public education is legitimately
off the charts if you compared. As Martha was just
doing Newark, New Jersey with I bet per pupil spending
(08:39):
in North Dakota. And I was just with the former
governor of North Dakota, Doug Bergham, So I'm usually gonna
be on with this a little bit after one.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
I had breakfast with him this morning in Franklin.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
I bet that North Dakota spends a fraction of the
dollar per pupil that Newark, New Jersey does, and I
bet they get ten x the results. Right, So the
idea of hey, it's all money is what Martha is
calling into question. But then, Buck, have you looked at
the Supreme Court argument that happened yesterday, the books that
(09:10):
they are trying to defend reading to kindergarteners and first
raders in Montgomery County, Maryland, We need to read some
of what these titles were. They managed to unite Christians, Jews,
and muslim parents, all of whom were like, what in
the world is going on here that you're trying to teach?
But this is one of the other parts of this
was Randy Winingarten getting asked about this cut seven class.
(09:35):
Who's gay?
Speaker 3 (09:36):
Right, you have to figure out a way to create
a welcoming and safe environment. But if you also have
we also if you looked at that same conference, we
had tons of time on artificial intelligence, on career tech ed.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
So what teachers have to.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
Do is we have to embrace everything, everything that society
throws at us.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
We have to deal.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
With Buck, it's look, it's crazy, it's always. First of all,
they've tried this book banning thing for a long time,
which is just a lie. Right, if you say you
don't want copies of Playboy circulated among grammar school kids.
You're not banning Playboy, You're just saying don't give it
to kids, right, I mean, this is pretty straightforward, and
(10:23):
that's really what they're talking about, is the content appropriate
for children. No one is gathering, by the way, these
gross and often idiotic books, aside from who they're being
given to, and burning them in big piles or something.
But that's the propaganda that they try to push with
all of this stuff. But what we're seeing here, I
think is that the teachers' unions in general are a
(10:45):
malignant force when it comes to children's education their futures.
There should be no such thing as public sector unions
for teachers period. Every state should get rid of them.
I know the courts would try to slow this down
in places because it's such a source of power and
let's be honest, jobs money for adults who don't want
to have to deal with the accountability that comes along
with this. And I could tell a longer version of
(11:06):
this story, Clay. But you know one thing that's getting
attention right now is how we need more kids in
this country. Elon's talking about it. We'll talk about it
today on the show. We need more kids. And another
thing is we need more family formation. We need families
to take more responsibility and put less responsibility on the state.
(11:28):
I know people that went in. Did you have anyone
from who did teach for America in your class coming
out of GW.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
Not my class, but Katie who is my personal assistant
now but initially was helping with the kids. She did
teach for America when she graduated from Florida State, which
is how she ended up in Nashville in the first place. Yeah, so,
I mean my college girlfriend went in to teach for
America right out of you know, a sort of my
college sweetheart feel whatever, went into teach for America, And
(11:57):
I remember catching up with her years later. And a
very short version of some much more in depth conversation
is it doesn't really matter what the resources are in
the classroom. It doesn't matter how new the computers are,
how many administrative staff or hovering around outside the classroom.
It's which kids have parents who show up on Parent
(12:20):
teacher Day. That was the met And I've been told
this by numerous people in the system.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
It is. And you could say, look, obviously, if someone's
mom gets the flu, she can't come doesn't mean she's
a bad mom. But the point is the indicators that
you can look at. Are their parents at home? Do
the parents care? Are they involved? Yes? Matters more than anything.
These teachers' unions are going to squeeze out of the
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taxpayer by orders of magnitude. But Randy Wingard will never
talk about that. Notice how she's just there to get
more money out of all of you. She's there to
talk about how it's for the children, just like it
wasn't for the children to COVID lockdowns. That was so
adults could sit at home and get paid their full
salary and do nothing. It's not about the children now
so much so that you'll have them reading this.
Speaker 4 (13:08):
Look.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
Remember when Ron DeSantis showed what they were trying to
put in Florida schools, which he banned, Thank you, Governor DeSantis,
or you know, got kicked out of the schools. They
couldn't show it on the Newsclay. If you can't show
it on a news channel without blurring it, why are
you showing it to third graders in school? No, it
is and I pulled it up.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
We need to go into some of the things that
are being taught, even the left wing judges on the
Supreme Court yesterday seemed taken aback by the idea or
remember this is something that has been building for some time.
Florida passed a law that said kindergartener, first second third
graders k K to three should not be taught any
kind of sex or gender ideology. I can't imagine a
(13:53):
sane parent listening to us right now that thinks that
their kindergarten to kindergarten to third grader needs to be
taught sex and gender related stories in public school. Frankly
any school, but certainly not public school. And again, the
thing that's wild about this is Muslim, Christian, Jewish parents
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Speaker 1 (16:21):
All right, welcome back into Clay and Buck. Clay is
sending me some of the actual examples here at issue
with the Supreme Court on the books that are are
are in schools. I just want to say I am.
I am generally militantly pro book. I think Clay is
as well. That's fair half, and I'm very pleased. I
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don't think I mentioned this in the show. I actually
went to the Miami Beach Library and went to donate
a whole bunch. I had boxes of books that I
just don't have space for anymore. I try not to
keep soft covers. I know, I know, but you know
I don't have space and they fall apart, so I
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(17:03):
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and it was great to see her. I what I
came in, Clay, I thought she was gonna fall over
for a second, so it was really nice. She's like,
you're here. I was like, yes, I am so. I
love books and I think what they're doing there. I
think libraries are are fabulous and super important, and I'm
(17:27):
all about if you can get your if you can
get your kids to start doing one thing early in
life as a habit. I don't know if there's a
better or more fundamental one, at least in the realm
of you know, activity, than reading. I agree, whatever that is,
just get them reading, Just get them reading. Okay. I'm
I am an absolute evangelist on this. It's the most
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important thing that my parents encourage me to do when
I was young. And it's just right, Clay. I mean
I think that that's you know, whether your kid is
good or not at g I mature, I can speak
from experience, does not matter in his life. Okay, it
doesn't matter whether your kid reads or not matters. It matters.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
My rule as a parent has been, if you will
read it, I will buy it for you. Now, my
kids have never tried to get me to buy I
don't know the you know, tontric sex, you know for
you know, they've never actually but any book that a
kid would want to read, that is a normal book
that a kid would read, I would buy for.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
Them, was my rule. But to see, I just want
to establish that because you have two guys here who
love truly like love. But he writes books. My book,
by the way, coming out this fall, all ready to go.
Publishers got it all lined up, so it actually is happening.
CIA finally cleared it. Some cool stuff in there. We're
gonna throw some book parties out there. It's gonna be fun.
Got to do one in Nashville, so you know, Clay
(18:53):
can hang out. But there's gonna be book parties and
all that good stuff. But I just wanted to say,
you have two guys here who are I would say,
are almost maniacal about pushing books for it for everybody, adults, kids, everyone.
You gotta be reading. Gotta be reading. Most important thing
as a daily kid. Get more sleep, read more, probably
drink a little less alcohol. Like this is the most
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important advice that I think most people could hear. Okay
with that, all said, Clay, you like movies. I like movies.
We talk about movies on the show. You like watching
movies with your kids. There are clearly movies that would
be inappropriate for and what your youngest boys?
Speaker 4 (19:30):
What?
Speaker 1 (19:30):
Ten? Am I right?
Speaker 4 (19:31):
Ten?
Speaker 1 (19:32):
Yeah? Ten?
Speaker 4 (19:32):
Ten?
Speaker 1 (19:32):
Yeah? Fourth grade? There are clearly movies that you would
never dream of sitting down with. And I'm not even
just talking about like adult movies. Obviously, that's a whole
other thing I'm talking about. There are clearly movies you
wouldn't watch with one of your young boys. And it's
not even conversation.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
NTV shows, And you all know it as parents. That's
why we have PGPG thirteen R rated movies. It's the
entire basis of helping parents to decide what's appropriate for
kids at different ages. And by the way, every kids different.
Some kids may be ready for advanced material I'd read
earlier than others. Some people might do better with violence
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than not scary movies. All these things, parents all understand this.
Buck listen to these two books.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
I was gonna put this, Yes, you can dive into
There's so many of these. My point is merely, we
do this all the time with everything else. We should
do it with grammar school kids reading list. Go pick
out some of the craziest ones that are before the
Supreme Court. They just look.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
This is Montgomery County, Maryland. They just had a Supreme
Court case over this. This is a lot of Christian,
Jewish and Muslim parents said, we object to the story
time books that you are reading to our kindergarteners in
public schools. This is from the Wall Street Journal. Here
are two of them. My Rainbow is about an autistic
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child named Trinity who says I need long hair because
I'm a transgender girl. It ends with a surprise gift
from Trinity's mother, a teal, pink and purple wig. It
teaches my Rainbow does that sometimes doctors get biology gender
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sex wrong?
Speaker 1 (21:18):
Kindergarteners?
Speaker 2 (21:20):
Is this a book little like if you were buck in,
if you remember being in school, or maybe some of
you have gone and volunteered and read some of.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
These books to kids.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
This is like you used to read, you know, the
Little Engine that could you know something like that. We
have something called the Dolly Parton Imagination Library here. Well,
they will send you all these books that are perfect
for three four five year old kids. They are not
particularly ideological in any way. It's just green eggs and
(21:49):
ham right, It's it's Doctor Seuss, It's the Cat and
the Hat, it's the Little Engine that could. All of
these books Good Night Moon that you may have shown
up and read to kids of all different groups at
some point in time. I just wanted to note that
with COVID it was how dare you question doctors or
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think that doctors could get anything wrong? But it is
baked into the gender ideology stuff now that a doctor
can get it wrong when he looks at a baby's
genitals and determines gender at birth. Yes, think about how
insane that is.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
They're saying that doctors get They're not saying that there's
not oh you know, it's impossible for doctors to know.
They're saying that doctor gets it wrong, which they.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
Would interrupted to teach buck Here is directly from what
teachers in Montgomery County were instructed to teach kindergartener's first graders.
If a child suggests it's weird to say a girl
can become a boy. I'm reading from the Wall Street Journal.
The proposed response is to say that comment is hurtful
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and that when each of us is born quote, people
make a guess about our gender. Kindergarten, first grade, second grade.
Here's another one, Buck, born Ready, is about Penelope, who
tells her mother, I don't feel like a boy. I
am a boy. After this single discussion, the mother answers
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with unquestioning affirmation, Yes, we will make a plan to
tell everyone we love. This is crazy town, Buck, I mean,
legit insane. When I read this, even as a parent,
I couldn't believe that any kid would be exposed to
this in a school.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
And I think this is so important because you see
this time and again when you're dealing with the left
on especially anything having to do with indoctrination in the schools,
and specifically of young people, people whose minds are being
molded by the adults in there, in their world, the
environment around them. Uh, Clay, they're being they're being First
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of all, they're being told us what happens if Penelope
wakes up the next day and says, no, I'm actually
a girl right back? I don't know. Yeah, you have
told anybody that you're now a girl again. The notion
that the affirmation cannot be switched is simply insane. Uh.
And here's the other part of this. They want this
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to be taught. It's not like we have shown this.
We have exposed this, and the Democrats, the left, the
gender ideologues out there have said, oh wow, I didn't
realize it was like this. You're right, let's make some
adjustments to this, Clay. This is a hill that they
will die on over and over again. So ask yourself,
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why is it so important to them? They try to
put the burden on us. Why are you banning books
and schools? Which is a lie. No one's banning books.
We're limiting the reading list or the library list for
young children the same way Clay. You limit movies for
your kids, the same way I will limit for my son.
What move you know when he's eight years old, we're
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not going to be sitting there watching Terminator one together.
Like that's not going to happen. Okay, they are the one.
Why is it so important to them? And I don't
ask that question, Clay, just rhetorically. They clearly think that
this is a means of locking in this belief into
the broader population so that it's not a ninety ten
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issue in ten years, in twenty years, so that they
can get closer to having the apparatus of the state
mandate this insanity. And it's also a function of you're
setting these kids up for a great deal of difficulty
in the years ahead. The same people who are screaming
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that sciences under attack are simultaneously telling you that doctors
get baby genders wrong. And you know how impressionable young
kids are. If you raise young kids. The reason, to
your point buck that they want five, six and seven
(26:16):
year olds being exposed to these kind of stories is
because they're desperately trying to make sense of the world
around them, and their minds are so incredibly impressionable. And
I just I think Republicans have done a really poor
job responding on this issue because you hit on the attack.
It's oh, they're trying to ban books.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
And we could have arguments about reasonable I mean, parent
arguments about at what age is it appropriate to read
certain aggressively sexual works. Right, is it sixteen, is it fourteen?
Is it eighteen? Is like in the same way that
we can talk about what age movies are appropriate.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
I just what you see, though, Clay, is that these
are suggested reading lists. It's even more to you see
what I mean, these a pernicious book.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
This is beyond that they're actually reading them to the
kids in story time.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
This is exactly what I mean. It's not it's not
even we have to stop kids as they get older
from stumbling upon this. It is this must be read
to children as a function of school policy at the
youngest possible age. Why does this matter to them so much?
It's a little bit like why do we have to
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have men dressed as women doing drag queen story hour
for kids that they don't do this for adults. Why
are they always doing Why is it always for the
little And by the way, they don't do it for
high school or college kids. Because I'll tell you, when
I was in high school, if some guy showed up
and was like, I'm really a woman, I'd be like, no,
you're not. So why are they doing this to little kids?
There's something there, very dark and very wrong that's going
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on here. And I will just say it and you
know it. First of all, Randy Winegarden, who's supposed to
be the old grandma who cares about the kids so much.
She totally defends this. She's all on board for this.
Think about that this is a mainstream education apparatus pushing
this nonsense.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
And this is something where even if you're not like
I'm not a parent who's ever objected to anything that
my kids have read in school, and I feel very fortunate.
I love the public schools that my kids have gone to.
I've got one in public school right now, and I've
never objected to anything that my older kids have been
asked to read. I appreciate the schools that they are
in now. I've got no issues with with my kids
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schools at all. But if I had a kindergartener, first grade,
or second grade or third grader, he I mean, this
is crazy town. I would object to them being forced
to sit and watch a teacher read books like this
to them. And I don't know buck that. Again, we
have Dolly Parton Imagination Library here. I have read a
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ton of kids books to my kids over the years,
and they unfortunately read at least two of them of
the three are willing to read. But I can't imagine
that there are thousands of books that would be great
for a kindergarten teacher to read to kids. That has
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nothing to do with any particular political slant, That has
nothing to do with anything anything other than encouraging them
to like stories and like reading and maybe also build
up their toughness a little bit like the little engine
that could. Hey, if I think I can do something,
I can, right, this is wild.
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So we cover a lot of ground, no doubt, absolute
wide range. And I covered a lot of ground this
morning for breakfast in downtown Franklin, Tennessee, which is a
hallmark town if there's ever been a town. And I
was with Secretary of the Interior Doug Bergham, formerly the
governor of North Dakota. And you've got governor Secretary. You
(32:21):
got so many different titles now, but we talked about
a wide range of issues. But I want to start
with this because I remember the first time we had
you on was right after you injured yourself playing basketball
during the twenty twenty four presidential election cycle. You've now
recovered from that, but you told me that back in
(32:43):
nineteen ninety eight, you got to participate in Michael Jordan's
basketball camp that had to be an unbelievable opportunity.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
I want our audience to hear what that might have
been like.
Speaker 4 (32:56):
Well, first of all, Clay, a great tale, breakfast with you,
buckets in your hometown, fantastic revival, any of the great
breakfast places in North Dakota. But yeah, what in a
life experience to go to the Michael Jordan basketball camp.
People think, oh, you're going to meet Michael Jordan. Part
of the way he ran that it was eighty people
over age thirty five. And you come and they have
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eight teams of ten, sixteen of the top college coaches.
My coaches were John Thompson and Dean Smith, my buddy
from North Dkota that came to the camp with me.
He had Roy Williams and Loud Olsen. So we're playing
for national championship coaches. I mean, there was one instance,
We're in a close game and I got Dean Smith
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and John Thompson chatting on the sidelines with each other,
not even paying attention to us guys out there on
the floor. We're playing Coach k and I was point guard.
I called the time out and the coach was a
little upset. He's like, what do you think you're coach now,
and I said, He said, do you like getting yelled at?
I said, well, I think it could help. We're down
three in a close game, and it is the only
chance I'm ever going to say I was able to
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play in a team that beat coach k But what
an experience.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
Well, Doug, it's buck. I didn't get to have breakfast
with you, but maybe you'll come down to mind be
beached some time. We can go get some savice or something.
And I want to ask you about your portfolio as
Interior Secretary, which doesn't get as much I think attention
to the news as some of the other major agencies
at the federal government. But it is a vast, a
(34:28):
vast entity, vast organization with a lot of really important responsibilities.
A lot of people think of national parks, but you've
also got mining rights. I mean, you've got a whole
range of things, and we don't have time to go
over all of it, obviously. I want you to tell
me what are your top priorities right now? I mean,
I know you're working with Tyler Hassen. Funny story, Tyler
and I went to school together in New York when
(34:49):
we were little kids. A long time ago, so I
haven't seen him in a while. But he's a doge guy.
So there's a cleaning up an efficiency part of this,
there's a mining part of this. What are the top
priorities for the Interior Secretary right now?
Speaker 4 (35:01):
Well, it's it's as simple as this. I mean, we're
supporting President Trump's agenda to bring peace abroad, which is,
you know, end the wars against us and around the
world that are be funding. They're all being funded, whether
it's twenty four terrorist groups being funded by Iran or
the conflicts in Eastern Europe being funded by Russia's oil sales.
(35:22):
You know, we need to be in a position with
energy dominance where we're selling energy to our friends and
allies so they're not to buy it from ra adversaries,
so that we can fund both sides of a war.
But when we do that, we also are bringing prosperity
at home because energy is not just an industry. Energy
is the industry that supports every other. There's a component
in the food you eat, the car you drive, the
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food on your table, there's an energy component. We bring
energy prices down, we bring the price of everything down,
We bring prosperity at home. And then you say, well,
what does Interior have to do with this, Well, you know,
with the vision of early leadership and then certainly expanded
by by Theodore Roosevelt, the United the States of America.
The balance sheet of the United States of America a
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lot of that in interior. Five hundred million acres of
surface land, seven hundred million acres of subservice filled with
rich minerals and energy sources, and then two point five
billion offshore. If Interior was a standalone company, it would
have the largest balance sheet of anyone in the world,
any company in the world. And we all hear about
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every election cycle, Oh this United States, woe is us.
We got thirty six and a half trillion dollars in debt,
and yeah, we've got to stop spending more each fiscal
year than we bring in, start paying down the debt.
But the asset side of the balance sheet could be
tripled what we have there.
Speaker 1 (36:40):
We could have one.
Speaker 4 (36:41):
Hundred trillion dollars of assets. So one of the things
that we're working on is trying to actually, for the
first time, build out the balance sheet of America so
we can see just how wealthy we are. And then
of course, using these resources for the benefit and the
use of the American people. That's what they were put
away for these public lands. And under Obama and Biden,
they were going to make sure that we didn't We
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didn't cut a tree, They killed the timber industry. We
weren't going to do mining. We weren't going to develop
our energy resources, whether it's oil or gas or coal.
Now we find ourselves in this battle with China where
they're controlling eighty five percent of the processing of rare
earths and critical minerals which we need for defense and electronics.
And so this is literally when I say piece of
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broad prosperity at home interiors right in the mix of
the fight on all the core principles of President Trump's agenda.
Speaker 2 (37:30):
We're talking to Secretary of the Interior Doug Bergham. One
thing that I think is so incredibly important and some
people get it but others do not, and we were
talking about it some at breakfast is a lot of
these climate change zelots have bought into a process by
which they restrict our ability to create clean oil and
(37:52):
gas here I say clean relative to international standards, and
instead of allowing us to produce it here, they then
buy it, oftentimes from our enemies that use the money
they make from our oil and gas purchases to work
against American interest. And it's also produced much less refined,
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It's dirtier in other words, and worse for the environment.
So they think they are being morally superior, but they're
actually creating a dynamic of oil and gas purchase that
makes the world worse, less clean, and also gives more
power to authoritarians who bear us ill will. Can you
(38:36):
break that down a little bit more, because I think
it's so important for people to understand, and as Secretary
of the Interior, it's a huge part of what you do.
Speaker 4 (38:45):
Well. It was a fantastic summary and again this yeah,
like most recently the Biden climate extremism. You know, they
claimed they were saving the planet, but they weren't doing
anything to diminish demand. They were just shifting supply. And
when you shift supply away from the US to our
adversaries who do not approach it with the same care,
because if you cared about the environment, you would insist
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that every electron of electricity, that every ounce of a
liquid fuel, of any form of energy was produced here
in the United States. Because we do a cleaner, smarter, safer,
healthier than anyone else on the planet. And so again
you get these bizarre things where, hey, I'm going to
block a pipeline going through New York of clean natural
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gas from Pennsylvania going into New England. We're going to
vote that down because the state of New York and
we believe for saving the planet. Meanwhile, because they do
that now in the state of Maine, eighty percent of
the homes are heated by heating oil. Forty one percent
of the homes in New Hampshire. At the time of
the Russian invasion of New Hampshire, we were off loading
in our country four hundred thousand barrels a day equivalent
(39:51):
of dirty Russian heating oil to heat homes in New
England because we couldn't get clean Pennsylvania US natural gas
to them, because we're going to block a pipeline. I mean,
the absurdities, and essentially the lie around somehow stopping energy
production or transportation in America was good for the global
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environment or good for our environment. None of that's true.
It's all false. And then it raises the price, I mean,
the price of natural gas in New England. In some
places is triple what it is in Pennsylvania, and that's
so unfair to Americans because we low priced energy is
what's going to bring manufacturing back on shore. It's what's
going to help us win the AI arms race against China.
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It's what's going to help you know, people pay their bills,
and it's going to bring down even the price of
groceries when we have lower energy prices. So again, we're
we're in a battle of common sense here and we're
fighting for every American because every American deserves to have
access to clean, low cost, affordable, reliable energy.
Speaker 1 (40:51):
We're speaking to Interior Secretary Doug Bergham and Mister Secretary.
Rare earth minerals getting a lot of attention these days,
particularly because of the back and forth with China and
the trade negotiations, and where we get our rare earth
minerals from. First, how does that play into I mean,
maybe you give us a few things, why do we
need them? How does China play into this? And how
(41:13):
do we get more rare earth minerals here domestic sources
in America?
Speaker 4 (41:19):
Well, because, as I said earlier, the massive amounts of
federal or public lands that we have seven hundred million acres,
a lot of it in the Western United States. That
are these public lands that are rich with all kinds
of minerals, and whether they're minerals, critical minerals, rare earth minerals, anything, copper, silver, gold,
(41:41):
but all the things we need, antimony, we need for ammunition,
there's other things that we need just to be able
to manage electronic and defense sectors. China has been well
here at home with Obama Biden declaring a war on
mining in our country, just like they had a war
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on oil and oil and gas production. We are, you know,
turning that around one hundred and eighty degrees. So in
addition to drill baby drill with President Trump, we've got
to mine baby mine. And to do that, we've got
to be able to permit, and we've got to be
able to actually be able to get capital from the
private sector going to work. We have literally killed the
(42:23):
mining industry in this in this country. And and of
course China has exploited that they now control, as I
said earlier, eighty five percent of the processed rare earth
minerals that we need. It's a lever that they can
use in the battles that we're in with them right now,
and so we've got to get ourselves back in this
game and we've got to make sure that we're sporting that.
(42:45):
But under President Trump is starting to happen and whether
that is you know, again coal, We need coal for
two reasons. We need for producing electricity. We also needed
there's metallurgical coal. In that metallurgical coal, there are rare
earth minerals that we need, and there's base material like coke,
which we need for steelmaking in this country. I was,
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you know, we had a thing called fast forty one
that we discovered. It was a way to speed up projects.
There have only been two mining projects ever put on there.
President Trump put ten on there last week. There's dozens
more that are coming soon. Resolution Copper mind thirty year
saga of trying to get a permit to start. We
tackled this right after President Trump. He put out in
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you know, the the executive orders, we have an energy emergency.
We need to expedite this stuff. In three months now
we've got approvals for starting of the Resolution copper mine
in Arizona and then again at a rare earth mining operation.
There's a gold mine in California. They can also pull
rare earth minerals out of that same operation. We're fast
(43:49):
tracking all of that, so we're we're working around the
clock to get back in the mining game because if
we don't, this is a situation where again, we could
end up losing. You know, our technology is better, our
resources is better. Everything we've got is better. But because
of bureaucracy and ideology around climate, we end up losing
this AI arms race to China. That would be a
(44:11):
sad thing.
Speaker 2 (44:12):
Last question for you, you are going to be I
believe you're going to be bringing a new park into
the country, and it's one that President Trump announced earlier
this year down in Texas with Joscelyn Nungary and her family.
What can you tell us about what you're doing there.
Speaker 4 (44:33):
Well, we're heading we'll be there tomorrow. And this is
a existing US Fish and Wildlife refuge that as being
renamed in honor of Joscelyn Nungerre and of course, unfortunately
America knows her story, twelve year old, beautiful young woman
who was tragically and horribly murdered and killed by illegal immigrants.
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President Trump acknowledged her mother and her sister. They were
present in the House Chambers when he was giving us
joint address to the two chambers this year. Touching moment
for sure, any of us that are parents hard to
think about what it would be like to lose your
twelve year old daughter, and for any reason, but for
those reasons in particular, and that but she loved love
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wildlife and loved the outdoors. And President Trump wants to
make sure that she's remembered forever. And so we're renaming
this US Fish and Wildlife Refuge. We changed the name
on the electronic maps the day after he gave that
beautiful speech that he delivered to the whole country. But
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it will be there tomorrow with the family many extended
family members. Could be more than twenty people from the
Nungary family there, including Jocelyn's mother and sister and others.
And we'll be there in person, and we're going through
the physical renaming of the all the signage around the park,
and we'll be there, and I'm sure that's going to
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be a touching moment for all involved. But again, it's
just something that's so genuine out President Trump, who who
genuinely cares about the people in our country. And that's
why he's fighting so hard every day to make sure
that we've got safe and secure borders and that we've
you know, bringing peace to the world.
Speaker 1 (46:23):
Secretary the Interior Doug Berger, appreciate you being with us
or thank you so much.
Speaker 4 (46:28):
Well, great to be with both of you and look
forward to be back on and thank you both for
all you do and helping helping inspire America to be
reach our fullest potential, whether it's the parents or of
the country. So thanks for all you d gentlemen. Thank you.
Speaker 1 (46:44):
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Speaker 2 (47:51):
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Speaker 3 (47:59):
I spoke to the President this morning. He is not
going to give up on ensuring that there are fair
trade practices around the world. He is not giving up
on the fact that China has been ripping off the
United States of America for far too long. And President
Trump has brought hundreds of countries now from around the
world to the negotiating table. We have eighteen proposals on
paper from nations around the world who recognize that they
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have in fact been ripping off the United States, and
there's a president in the Oval Office right now who
is no longer going to tolerate it. So this is
the art of the deal. President Trump is using the
leverage of the United States to bring nations to the
negotiating table that includes China, who he remains very optimistic
there will be a fair trade deal with China that
finally puts American workers and American industry.
Speaker 1 (48:43):
First, YEP. Art of the deal, Trump's doing his thing
as we knew that he would all along. No one's
going to tell him not to. He is the Trumpster,
and he will be judged by his results on this one,
and he knows that, and he also I think deserve
you know, the a lot of things Clay were what
I've said. Look, he's been right on so many things
(49:03):
where even a lot of Republicans were saying, oh, no,
you can't do that. His whole political story is being
right when everyone says you can't do that, or pushing
through whatever Ande says it's impossible. But on China specifically,
he's the only one who's doing anything, or rather he's
the only one who's been in a position to do anything,
who's been willing to look at this issue. You speak
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to anybody, and I mean I saw mister wonderful Kevin
O'Leary was on TV recently talking about how and I've
heard this from other people. And I was in China
for a business conference in twenty nineteen, and it's very
very interesting, very eerie thing. I don't know how many
of you have been to China. Some of you have
probably been missionaries there or something. I have been there
for twenty years and speak Mandarin. But and I say
(49:48):
that not kidding. I'm sure there are a few of
you who that's the case. But when you go there,
it is like you're on another planet in a lot
of ways, just because things that you cannot take certain
things for granted at all. And you're very mindful of
who you're speaking to and what you're saying, and what
you're googling, or rather not googling because you can't google,
but you know what you're doing on the Internet. And
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the theft of intellectual property. I mean, think about this, Clay,
you want to do business in China. You run a
company that you know makes widgets, you know the Crockett
Widget Company, we decide we're going to set up shop. Oh,
we want access to China's market. Okay, cool. So we
do a joint venture with a Chinese company because the
Chinese government mandates it. And then we do this joint
venture with them, and then they set up shop down
(50:34):
the road with government backing, taking all the stuff that
we've brought with us, replicating it, starting a new company,
shutting down our joint venture, and we can't sue, We
can't do anything. It's see you later. That is standard
operating procedure in the People's Republic of China. That is
what goes on their clay. It's why companies don't want
(50:56):
to do business with them, and they get away with
this stuff all the time.
Speaker 2 (51:01):
I would point out that if you questioned Trump's wisdom
on tariffs in the way that he responded to China,
do you know that the only thing Joe Biden didn't
change when he took office John Trump's tariffs on China.
And it sort of has slipped under the radar that
that occurred. But think about all the executive orders that
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Joe Biden put in place the minute that he got
to the Oval office. One of the most controversial things
that Trump did, we were told, was China trade policy
and the tariffs that he implemented to try to make
Chinese trade policy fairer with the United States. So many
people squawked in opposition. Biden got in office, never changed him,
(51:45):
kept him a Biden. Here you go a little fun
throwback here. January twenty twenty two. President Biden's administration has
left tariffs in place on three hundred and fifty bills
dollars of Chinese goods imposed by his predecessor, Donald Trump. Hmm,
(52:07):
it mightn't that interesting thing they agreed on buck, It
might I mean legitimately, and initially they all said this
was unacceptable, it was going to destroy the economy. Biden
comes into office, he left them all in place. So
I just think that speaks volumes about this.
Speaker 1 (52:23):
And also you notice how people that were saying, oh,
why is he tearing up NAFTA with the US Mexico
Canada agreement because the Mexico Canada agreements better. He was
right all the people that were saying, why is he
messing with NAFTA. NAFTA was old. NAFTA needed to be updated.
There were problems with NAFTA, and he did. So do
you hear anyone saying we need to get rid of
us Mexico Canada? Now, No, of course not. Did Biden
(52:45):
try to do that? No, of course not. Right. So
there's a track record here, Clay that I don't think
anybody should ignore if they want to have any sense
as to what's possible here and what the likely outcomes
could be.
Speaker 2 (52:59):
You know, in retch respect, a guy who probably deserves
a lot more credit that doesn't get it Ross Perrot,
because one of his top for those of you who
remember one of these, say you can and there's a
lot of people we could thrown in the mix, but
go ahead. But I mean, I think Ross Perot one
of his top issues was he said that NAFTA was
(53:20):
going to be a net negative for American middle class jobs.
And I think that much of the argument that he
made has in many ways been proved to be prescient.
In other words, he's been proven to be right. And
people forget how many voters he got. Back in nineteen
(53:41):
ninety two, as all of this NAFTA free trade discussion
was beginning, there were a lot of people kind of
tiptoeing into it, not really understanding what we were headed for.
And there is an element. I know it's whatever forty
years later, basically, but there is a strong element of
Trump trade policy that is evoking and echoing the arguments
(54:05):
that Ross Perout was making as long ago as ninety two.
And to your point, Buck, there are many people who
made them, but I just remember Ross Perout in particular
getting savaged over these arguments that he was making, and
I bet Trump agreed with a lot of them back
in the day. Because Trump's on record talking about this
back in the eighties with Oprah Winfrey. I mean that
(54:26):
some of that footage has come out of him. The
one thing he's been consistent on is the fact that
I was getting our once.
Speaker 1 (54:33):
I don't think you can find other than liking pretty ladies.
I don't think you can find anything that Donald Trump
has been more consistent on in public life period than
tariffs and China. I don't know what else. You know,
maybe deal making is important, you know, but there's nothing
on a policy level that you can point to where
he's been as consistent as long as he has on
(54:57):
this issue. And I think that it for all the
reason we've laid out, we should see where where he's
able to take this. Here we go. Vip Robert wrote,
this didn't play on Trump China pull line from the
movie Roadhouse, be nice until it's time not to be nice.
I think that first of all, great great reference Roadhouse
(55:18):
one of the most watchable absurd movies ever made, being
remade it and now they're making the Roadhouse to write
you watched. I never saw the remake. No, I bet
I don't even have to. It had like the little
Irish m m A guy in it. What's his name?
Not the new one Patty, Yeah, Connor McGregor, No, no, no, I.
Speaker 2 (55:38):
Don't know if I want to be on record with
Buck Is saying that Connor McGregor is a little Irish guy.
Speaker 1 (55:43):
I'm not that's fair. I'm not saying he can't can't
an actor.
Speaker 2 (55:50):
I'm gonna be having to get us somewhere and there's
gonna be a tap on my shoulder and that little
Irish guy is gonna be there kicking my ass and
I'm gonna be like, no, it was Buck who said it.
I didn't have anything to do with it. And Jay
gillanall Is is playing the lead role, right, Yeah, it's
said in the It.
Speaker 1 (56:05):
Is a It is a Patrick Swayze classic. For those
of you who have not seen it, it is absolutely absurd.
Like the whole movie. He lives across the lake from
the main bad guy. He's like somehow knows karate. He
went to n Yu, Like none of it adds. The
movie makes absolutely He he goes, he gets stabbed in
(56:28):
a knife fight, and the nurse who's tending to him
is like a sports illustrated swimsuit model who lives in
this gorgeous who lives in this small town and then
wants to go roll around with this guy and like
the actual barn that he lives in. I'm just look,
not all heroes wear capes. Was pretty amazing that he
was able to pull this off in the movie. But yes,
(56:48):
it is very very Sam Elliott, by the way, some
great Sam Elliot stuff. What does he keep? Does he
call him Kimosabe or what's his uh? Me? Me Miho?
He calls him miho the movie? Is there a bet?
This is a fun debate.
Speaker 2 (57:03):
Is there a better nineteen eighties era range of actor
range than Patrick Swayzee for wildly successful movies that had
nothing in common? Because if you think about just off
the top of my head, Ghost, Dirty Dancing, and Roadhouse,
(57:23):
Like the difference between Roadhouse and Ghost is or Roadhouse,
and I guess Point Break is nineties. But Point Break
would be another great one to add. And then some
of you are gonna remember this and this is the
history nerd in me. He also played a Civil War
soldier or this is I don't know how many of
you ever gonna remember this Civil War Civil War Camp
(57:45):
Clay movie. Yeah, this, we just sat around to watch
this movie. And he played a Confederate general or E.
Maine from South Carolina. The range of Patrick Swayze excellence
to your if you was Point Break nineteen ninety, it
might have been just the very around him. But I mean,
if you think about Ghost, if you think of the
(58:07):
Dirty Dancing, Roadhouse, North and South and Love and War,
which was like this television mini series epic based on
the John Jake's novels of the Civil War, and man,
I may well have super nerded myself out there. I
don't know how many of you read these in the eighties,
but I did. And the because of the mini series
(58:28):
was so popular. Patrick Swayze might have had the best
acting career of anyone range super successful movies in the
nineteen eighties. I mean, like Arnold Schwarzenegger basically played Arnold Schwarzenegger, Right,
Sylvester Stallone basically played Sylvester Stallone. I know there's some exceptions,
like Arnold Schwarzenegger was in Twins with Danny DeVito where
(58:50):
he was funny kindergarten cop.
Speaker 1 (58:52):
It's not a Tuma, it's one of his.
Speaker 2 (58:53):
There are a few exp Oh, Michael Barry, our buddy
down in Houston, just texted me Read Dawn. I mean,
remember how good he was Red Dawn in the nineteen eighties,
and as part of it.
Speaker 1 (59:06):
I mean, I just want to say, well played, mister Berry,
well played.
Speaker 2 (59:09):
He's got a great show in Houston for those of
you that are listening to us right now.
Speaker 1 (59:12):
But I mean, think about it.
Speaker 2 (59:14):
Is he this is this maybe the most aggressive crazy
argument I've made. Is Patrick Swayzee the most underrated nineteen
eighties movie actor of all time.
Speaker 1 (59:24):
I don't know if he could. I don't think he's
underrated enough. I don't think he's underrated. I think that
he well, he passed away of cancer sadly some years ago.
But I just think that he didn't. He didn't stay
as big for like long, but I think that he was.
I think in the eighties he was a true leading
man and was getting his dude, look at the movie.
(59:45):
Was he the best nineteen eighties actor? If you can
sell now, you're getting now, you're getting created, now you're
calling range on range.
Speaker 2 (59:54):
I think there's a sway there's an under under disrespected,
under the radar argument for Patrick Swayze's excellent A generation
you you gen X people like Paccino and de Niro
way too much.
Speaker 1 (01:00:08):
So that's always, uh, that always comes up with this.
Speaker 2 (01:00:11):
I've never been Robert de Niro plays the same character
in every.
Speaker 1 (01:00:14):
Same thing and everything the same, you know, Italian Mafia, Like, yes,
the whole the whole thing. I've never I think that
I would put them in the really overrated category actually
of actors. Yeah, that's that's a hot take for you.
Some of the people in the Northeast. We got a
lot of New Jersey, New York listeners, they're not gonna
like that one. But I'm just telling you, Okay, yeah,
(01:00:35):
Goodfellas is very watchable, but like, let's calm down, it's
not as great as everybody protects.
Speaker 2 (01:00:39):
Michael Berry still firing by the way, the Outsiders all
nineteen eighties. I'm I'm gonna maybe have to die on
this hill.
Speaker 1 (01:00:45):
But I think Harris Harrison Ford was big, was huge
in the eighties Indiana Jones, right, so you'd you're you're
saying best actorating range range like he's Indiana. Basically, Harrison
Ford is Indiana Jones or Han Solo in those movies
across the board, right, the range of Dirty Dancing to
Roadhouse to Red Dawn. Is there better nineteen eighties performance
(01:01:10):
than Patrick Swayzee. I'm not sure. I'm not sure we
can beat him, and I actually don't. I don't I would.
I would love to disagree with you, but I actually
can't come up with anything on the fly here to
refute your argument, which makes me think that it's not
as crazy as my initial I mean, like, Michael Jay
Fox was great, and I'm going to talk about testosterone
here in a minute, but Michael J. Fox also wasn't
taking over you know, like a country right in a
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in a in a or a bar or what. It
wasn't like an action hero.
Speaker 2 (01:01:39):
And you know, Patrick Swayze in the eighties, you know
what I bet he had buck unbelievable levels of testosterone.
I bet his testosterone levels were through the roof. You
can't make pottery like that in Ghost and then also
simultaneously simultaneously beat everybody's ass in Roadhouse without incredible levels
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Welcome everybody to the Wednesday edition of The Clay Travis
and Buck Sexton Show. We got a lot to dive
into with all of you. Thank you so much for
rolling with us. We've got let me see here, Trump's
economy more coming out on the trade deals. Trump attach
said it's gonna be very He's gonna be very nice
to China. We'll see how long that lasts. Is he
(00:22):
gonna be nice to China's It's a head fake? What's
going on here? Trump is being Trump Tom Holman laying
down the law here. You know, I have borderline Homan
Man crush. This is a guy who is essential to
the future of the Republic, who knows his portfolio as
well as anybody, and who is just doing a fantastic
(00:45):
job for the Trump administration. And he is not going
to abide any nonsense when it comes to the efforts
to sabotage a deportation efforts and the whole abra Goo
Garcia Martyrdom industrial complex that is going on right now.
(01:06):
We're not going to allow that to just go or
he's not going to allow that to just be a
thing where they turn this guy into a symbol. Elon
Musk weighing it again. Rough rough period here for a
Tesla profits Elon's going to be heading back. I think
pretty soon he's going to be going back to focusing
on what it is that he needs to be doing,
(01:28):
which is other than doge, which is running some of
the most important and innovative companies in the world. Markets,
just making sure nothing's changed since our last check. Market's
looking pretty good. Do you ever look at I can
you know how I can tell guys Clay's Clay's pretty
cool as a cute cover right now. You know, if
I come in here, the market's down twelve hundred points.
Clay has this look on his face. He's not a
(01:50):
happy camper about it, because you know, he's got to
manage the Clay, the Clay folio, the portfolio of all
things Clay, and he does not like it when that
market is getting crushed. But let's have some fun with
something else for a moment here, because you know, we
had on yesterday David's wig and I know, you know,
look talking COVID, some of you are like, oh, we
(02:10):
have to move on. You see what's going on right
now is the Democrats are having to exercise the demons
from within a bit here. They're having to at least
go through a process of the whole Biden dementia cover up.
What was that all about? Are they really going to
(02:30):
keep pushing on this trans stuff? I think the answer
is yes, by the way, but they're at least looking
around saying how do we win on an eighty twenty
maybe ninety ten issue nationally? And then you also have,
by the way, Clay, I just one thing I would
throw out there. If we had a different Supreme Court.
I know this is I'm weaving here, everybody, but weave
with me. If we had a different Supreme Court, you
(02:53):
would have the trans agenda would have been mandated the
same way Roe v. Wade was. I truly believe that.
So if loses and we have a different Supreme Court makeup,
you have a dic tot from the court years ago
saying that you know you have to I actually think
that could have happened, as crazy as that may sound
(03:13):
now because we have a more sane court. But on
the COVID thing, we had Zwagon yesterday and we were
talking to him about the school shutdowns, which is I know, Clay,
this is tough, so many of it. What is the
thing that gets you the angriest. And we're gonna Randy
Winegarden's out there. I'm gonna tie this into the news
(03:34):
cycle here today in just a moment, everyone, What is
the COVID thing that at this point takes you off
the most? I still think the lab leak for our people,
for our side, the lie about the lab leak is
the one that gets them the most aggravated. What is
it for you?
Speaker 2 (03:50):
It's still that kids weren't able to go to school
for almost two years, And honestly, I thought David's wig
yesterday really kind of brought at home. But I've tried
to hammer this as well. The kids that were the
most disadvantaged during COVID were the ones that had the
least privilege and the least opportunity in.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
The first place.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
Because if you're Gavin Newsom's kids, he puts you in
a private school even while all the public schools are
shut down, and his kids are getting an elite education,
if you are wealthy enough to have private tutors, if
you are fortunate enough to have had parents who could
be involved in your education because they weren't having to
go to work. To try to make sure that you
(04:33):
had a roof over your head. Then COVID was not ideal,
but you were able to make through it, potentially even thrive.
I've said this before, but he was I guess ten
at the time when COVID happened. My ten year old.
When twenty twenty ended, remember how everybody was celebrating ball
drops and they're like, boy, I'm so glad twenty twenty's over.
(04:54):
He was like, no, Dad, twenty twenty was the best
year ever. And I said, well, what do you mean
And he said, Dad, we got out of school and
didn't have to go back in March. You know, if
you're a kid, one snow days a big deal. They
basically got two months of snow days. And he said,
and this was I thought, really kind of touching. He
was like, you and mom were home all the time,
(05:15):
Like you weren't. I wasn't traveling very much for work.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
Right.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
So, for a lot of young kids, if you were
fortunate enough to have parents who were able to be
around the household, they came through it fine. They might
have even thrived. But on the other hand, if your
mom or your dad or you're a single parent household
and they're having to bust their ass to try to
make sure that you're taken care of, and they don't
have quote, non essential jobs, or they get to eat
(05:39):
cheetos and watch Netflix from home and order door Dash.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
If you don't have all.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Those opportunities, then you might not have had Wi Fi
at home. You didn't have any real educational environment surrounding you,
you had.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
No support structure.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
We threw the least disadvantaged, the kids who needed school
in person the most to the wolves, and unfortunately we're reaping.
I think the consequences of that awful decision, and a
big part of it was Randy Winegarden, who is still
trying to claim and I think it's important to hold
these people accountable that she had nothing to do with
(06:15):
why schools didn't reopen. And it's a lie, and it's
a really nasty lie. Yeah, it's a Soviet style rewriting
of history by the Chief Teachers Union Commissar. And I
really believe that the chief villain of Covid, there were
many the chief villain of COVID is Fauci, but Randy
Winegarden was right there.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
You know. If she wasn't Mao, she was chew and lay,
she was the next up on the podium, or she
was somebody who was particularly destructive and dishonest. But here
she is. She was on first. Well. First of all,
she goes on Martha McCallum show and does something. I
can tell you. Martha's a nice lady, but she's very
(07:00):
very serious about what she does, very professional in what
she does. She did not appreciate this is cut eight.
Listen to this.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
We know that money does not equate a better outcome
because in Newark, New Jersey, you have a per student,
per capita expenditure that is one of the highest in
the country, and you have.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Actually very very different Martha.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
Martha, sweetheart, sweetheart, listened to me, she does I'm sorry, my.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
Bad, Clay. First of all, I love Martha. I love
Martha the first Amendment, and Sweetheart, I was just waiting
for her to say it. I do.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
I do that show with Martha every Friday. She's super smart.
I love her. What is Randy Winegarden thinking calling? I
don't know, sweetheart, that is just super First of all,
Randy Winegarden isn't a ninety year old man, right, So
in order for Martha McCollum to be like a sweetheart
to somebody. It's like a grandfatherly older figure, right. Randy
(07:57):
Winegarden is in rough contemporary universe age with Martha. Super
weird answer there, and Martha is also really good like
on the fly A lot of people worry about what
the response is gonna be. She just like comes back immediately,
so good for her. But what Martha's pointing out there
that Randy's trying to cut off is if we just
(08:18):
looked at pure per pupil expenditure, many Democrat cities should
have the greatest students of all time because the amount
of money that's being spent on public education is legitimately
off the charts if you compared. As Martha was just
doing Newark, New Jersey with I bet per pupil spending
(08:39):
in North Dakota. And I was just with the former
governor of North Dakota, Doug Bergham, So I'm usually gonna
be on with this a little bit after one.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
I had breakfast with him this morning in Franklin.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
I bet that North Dakota spends a fraction of the
dollar per pupil that Newark, New Jersey does, and I
bet they get ten x the results. Right, So the
idea of hey, it's all money is what Martha is
calling into question. But then, Buck, have you looked at
the Supreme Court argument that happened yesterday, the books that
(09:10):
they are trying to defend reading to kindergarteners and first
raders in Montgomery County, Maryland, We need to read some
of what these titles were. They managed to unite Christians, Jews,
and muslim parents, all of whom were like, what in
the world is going on here that you're trying to teach?
But this is one of the other parts of this
was Randy Winingarten getting asked about this cut seven class.
(09:35):
Who's gay?
Speaker 3 (09:36):
Right, you have to figure out a way to create
a welcoming and safe environment. But if you also have
we also if you looked at that same conference, we
had tons of time on artificial intelligence, on career tech ed.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
So what teachers have to.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
Do is we have to embrace everything, everything that society
throws at us.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
We have to deal.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
With Buck, it's look, it's crazy, it's always. First of all,
they've tried this book banning thing for a long time,
which is just a lie. Right, if you say you
don't want copies of Playboy circulated among grammar school kids.
You're not banning Playboy, You're just saying don't give it
to kids, right, I mean, this is pretty straightforward, and
(10:23):
that's really what they're talking about, is the content appropriate
for children. No one is gathering, by the way, these
gross and often idiotic books, aside from who they're being
given to, and burning them in big piles or something.
But that's the propaganda that they try to push with
all of this stuff. But what we're seeing here, I
think is that the teachers' unions in general are a
(10:45):
malignant force when it comes to children's education their futures.
There should be no such thing as public sector unions
for teachers period. Every state should get rid of them.
I know the courts would try to slow this down
in places because it's such a source of power and
let's be honest, jobs money for adults who don't want
to have to deal with the accountability that comes along
with this. And I could tell a longer version of
(11:06):
this story, Clay. But you know one thing that's getting
attention right now is how we need more kids in
this country. Elon's talking about it. We'll talk about it
today on the show. We need more kids. And another
thing is we need more family formation. We need families
to take more responsibility and put less responsibility on the state.
(11:28):
I know people that went in. Did you have anyone
from who did teach for America in your class coming
out of GW.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
Not my class, but Katie who is my personal assistant
now but initially was helping with the kids. She did
teach for America when she graduated from Florida State, which
is how she ended up in Nashville in the first place. Yeah, so,
I mean my college girlfriend went in to teach for
America right out of you know, a sort of my
college sweetheart feel whatever, went into teach for America, And
(11:57):
I remember catching up with her years later. And a
very short version of some much more in depth conversation
is it doesn't really matter what the resources are in
the classroom. It doesn't matter how new the computers are,
how many administrative staff or hovering around outside the classroom.
It's which kids have parents who show up on Parent
(12:20):
teacher Day. That was the met And I've been told
this by numerous people in the system.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
It is. And you could say, look, obviously, if someone's
mom gets the flu, she can't come doesn't mean she's
a bad mom. But the point is the indicators that
you can look at. Are their parents at home? Do
the parents care? Are they involved? Yes? Matters more than anything.
These teachers' unions are going to squeeze out of the
(12:47):
taxpayer by orders of magnitude. But Randy Wingard will never
talk about that. Notice how she's just there to get
more money out of all of you. She's there to
talk about how it's for the children, just like it
wasn't for the children to COVID lockdowns. That was so
adults could sit at home and get paid their full
salary and do nothing. It's not about the children now
so much so that you'll have them reading this.
Speaker 4 (13:08):
Look.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
Remember when Ron DeSantis showed what they were trying to
put in Florida schools, which he banned, Thank you, Governor DeSantis,
or you know, got kicked out of the schools. They
couldn't show it on the Newsclay. If you can't show
it on a news channel without blurring it, why are
you showing it to third graders in school? No, it
is and I pulled it up.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
We need to go into some of the things that
are being taught, even the left wing judges on the
Supreme Court yesterday seemed taken aback by the idea or
remember this is something that has been building for some time.
Florida passed a law that said kindergartener, first second third
graders k K to three should not be taught any
kind of sex or gender ideology. I can't imagine a
(13:53):
sane parent listening to us right now that thinks that
their kindergarten to kindergarten to third grader needs to be
taught sex and gender related stories in public school. Frankly
any school, but certainly not public school. And again, the
thing that's wild about this is Muslim, Christian, Jewish parents
(14:14):
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Why in the world is this happening. We managed to
do the unbelievable and unite every religious group in common
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All right, welcome back into Clay and Buck. Clay is
sending me some of the actual examples here at issue
with the Supreme Court on the books that are are
are in schools. I just want to say I am.
I am generally militantly pro book. I think Clay is
as well. That's fair half, and I'm very pleased. I
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don't think I mentioned this in the show. I actually
went to the Miami Beach Library and went to donate
a whole bunch. I had boxes of books that I
just don't have space for anymore. I try not to
keep soft covers. I know, I know, but you know
I don't have space and they fall apart, so I
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and it was great to see her. I what I
came in, Clay, I thought she was gonna fall over
for a second, so it was really nice. She's like,
you're here. I was like, yes, I am so. I
love books and I think what they're doing there. I
think libraries are are fabulous and super important, and I'm
(17:27):
all about if you can get your if you can
get your kids to start doing one thing early in
life as a habit. I don't know if there's a
better or more fundamental one, at least in the realm
of you know, activity, than reading. I agree, whatever that is,
just get them reading, Just get them reading. Okay. I'm
I am an absolute evangelist on this. It's the most
(17:49):
important thing that my parents encourage me to do when
I was young. And it's just right, Clay. I mean
I think that that's you know, whether your kid is
good or not at g I mature, I can speak
from experience, does not matter in his life. Okay, it
doesn't matter whether your kid reads or not matters. It matters.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
My rule as a parent has been, if you will
read it, I will buy it for you. Now, my
kids have never tried to get me to buy I
don't know the you know, tontric sex, you know for
you know, they've never actually but any book that a
kid would want to read, that is a normal book
that a kid would read, I would buy for.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
Them, was my rule. But to see, I just want
to establish that because you have two guys here who
love truly like love. But he writes books. My book,
by the way, coming out this fall, all ready to go.
Publishers got it all lined up, so it actually is happening.
CIA finally cleared it. Some cool stuff in there. We're
gonna throw some book parties out there. It's gonna be fun.
Got to do one in Nashville, so you know, Clay
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can hang out. But there's gonna be book parties and
all that good stuff. But I just wanted to say,
you have two guys here who are I would say,
are almost maniacal about pushing books for it for everybody, adults, kids, everyone.
You gotta be reading. Gotta be reading. Most important thing
as a daily kid. Get more sleep, read more, probably
drink a little less alcohol. Like this is the most
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important advice that I think most people could hear. Okay
with that, all said, Clay, you like movies. I like movies.
We talk about movies on the show. You like watching
movies with your kids. There are clearly movies that would
be inappropriate for and what your youngest boys?
Speaker 4 (19:30):
What?
Speaker 1 (19:30):
Ten? Am I right?
Speaker 4 (19:31):
Ten?
Speaker 1 (19:32):
Yeah? Ten?
Speaker 4 (19:32):
Ten?
Speaker 1 (19:32):
Yeah? Fourth grade? There are clearly movies that you would
never dream of sitting down with. And I'm not even
just talking about like adult movies. Obviously, that's a whole
other thing I'm talking about. There are clearly movies you
wouldn't watch with one of your young boys. And it's
not even conversation.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
NTV shows, And you all know it as parents. That's
why we have PGPG thirteen R rated movies. It's the
entire basis of helping parents to decide what's appropriate for
kids at different ages. And by the way, every kids different.
Some kids may be ready for advanced material I'd read
earlier than others. Some people might do better with violence
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than not scary movies. All these things, parents all understand this.
Buck listen to these two books.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
I was gonna put this, Yes, you can dive into
There's so many of these. My point is merely, we
do this all the time with everything else. We should
do it with grammar school kids reading list. Go pick
out some of the craziest ones that are before the
Supreme Court. They just look.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
This is Montgomery County, Maryland. They just had a Supreme
Court case over this. This is a lot of Christian,
Jewish and Muslim parents said, we object to the story
time books that you are reading to our kindergarteners in
public schools. This is from the Wall Street Journal. Here
are two of them. My Rainbow is about an autistic
(20:52):
child named Trinity who says I need long hair because
I'm a transgender girl. It ends with a surprise gift
from Trinity's mother, a teal, pink and purple wig. It
teaches my Rainbow does that sometimes doctors get biology gender
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sex wrong?
Speaker 1 (21:18):
Kindergarteners?
Speaker 2 (21:20):
Is this a book little like if you were buck in,
if you remember being in school, or maybe some of
you have gone and volunteered and read some of.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
These books to kids.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
This is like you used to read, you know, the
Little Engine that could you know something like that. We
have something called the Dolly Parton Imagination Library here. Well,
they will send you all these books that are perfect
for three four five year old kids. They are not
particularly ideological in any way. It's just green eggs and
(21:49):
ham right, It's it's Doctor Seuss, It's the Cat and
the Hat, it's the Little Engine that could. All of
these books Good Night Moon that you may have shown
up and read to kids of all different groups at
some point in time. I just wanted to note that
with COVID it was how dare you question doctors or
(22:12):
think that doctors could get anything wrong? But it is
baked into the gender ideology stuff now that a doctor
can get it wrong when he looks at a baby's
genitals and determines gender at birth. Yes, think about how
insane that is.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
They're saying that doctors get They're not saying that there's
not oh you know, it's impossible for doctors to know.
They're saying that doctor gets it wrong, which they.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
Would interrupted to teach buck Here is directly from what
teachers in Montgomery County were instructed to teach kindergartener's first graders.
If a child suggests it's weird to say a girl
can become a boy. I'm reading from the Wall Street Journal.
The proposed response is to say that comment is hurtful
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and that when each of us is born quote, people
make a guess about our gender. Kindergarten, first grade, second grade.
Here's another one, Buck, born Ready, is about Penelope, who
tells her mother, I don't feel like a boy. I
am a boy. After this single discussion, the mother answers
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with unquestioning affirmation, Yes, we will make a plan to
tell everyone we love. This is crazy town, Buck, I mean,
legit insane. When I read this, even as a parent,
I couldn't believe that any kid would be exposed to
this in a school.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
And I think this is so important because you see
this time and again when you're dealing with the left
on especially anything having to do with indoctrination in the schools,
and specifically of young people, people whose minds are being
molded by the adults in there, in their world, the
environment around them. Uh, Clay, they're being they're being First
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of all, they're being told us what happens if Penelope
wakes up the next day and says, no, I'm actually
a girl right back? I don't know. Yeah, you have
told anybody that you're now a girl again. The notion
that the affirmation cannot be switched is simply insane. Uh.
And here's the other part of this. They want this
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to be taught. It's not like we have shown this.
We have exposed this, and the Democrats, the left, the
gender ideologues out there have said, oh wow, I didn't
realize it was like this. You're right, let's make some
adjustments to this, Clay. This is a hill that they
will die on over and over again. So ask yourself,
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why is it so important to them? They try to
put the burden on us. Why are you banning books
and schools? Which is a lie. No one's banning books.
We're limiting the reading list or the library list for
young children the same way Clay. You limit movies for
your kids, the same way I will limit for my son.
What move you know when he's eight years old, we're
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not going to be sitting there watching Terminator one together.
Like that's not going to happen. Okay, they are the one.
Why is it so important to them? And I don't
ask that question, Clay, just rhetorically. They clearly think that
this is a means of locking in this belief into
the broader population so that it's not a ninety ten
(25:31):
issue in ten years, in twenty years, so that they
can get closer to having the apparatus of the state
mandate this insanity. And it's also a function of you're
setting these kids up for a great deal of difficulty
in the years ahead. The same people who are screaming
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that sciences under attack are simultaneously telling you that doctors
get baby genders wrong. And you know how impressionable young
kids are. If you raise young kids. The reason, to
your point buck that they want five, six and seven
(26:16):
year olds being exposed to these kind of stories is
because they're desperately trying to make sense of the world
around them, and their minds are so incredibly impressionable. And
I just I think Republicans have done a really poor
job responding on this issue because you hit on the attack.
It's oh, they're trying to ban books.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
And we could have arguments about reasonable I mean, parent
arguments about at what age is it appropriate to read
certain aggressively sexual works. Right, is it sixteen, is it fourteen?
Is it eighteen? Is like in the same way that
we can talk about what age movies are appropriate.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
I just what you see, though, Clay, is that these
are suggested reading lists. It's even more to you see
what I mean, these a pernicious book.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
This is beyond that they're actually reading them to the
kids in story time.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
This is exactly what I mean. It's not it's not
even we have to stop kids as they get older
from stumbling upon this. It is this must be read
to children as a function of school policy at the
youngest possible age. Why does this matter to them so much?
It's a little bit like why do we have to
(27:39):
have men dressed as women doing drag queen story hour
for kids that they don't do this for adults. Why
are they always doing Why is it always for the
little And by the way, they don't do it for
high school or college kids. Because I'll tell you, when
I was in high school, if some guy showed up
and was like, I'm really a woman, I'd be like, no,
you're not. So why are they doing this to little kids?
There's something there, very dark and very wrong that's going
(28:03):
on here. And I will just say it and you
know it. First of all, Randy Winegarden, who's supposed to
be the old grandma who cares about the kids so much.
She totally defends this. She's all on board for this.
Think about that this is a mainstream education apparatus pushing
this nonsense.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
And this is something where even if you're not like
I'm not a parent who's ever objected to anything that
my kids have read in school, and I feel very fortunate.
I love the public schools that my kids have gone to.
I've got one in public school right now, and I've
never objected to anything that my older kids have been
asked to read. I appreciate the schools that they are
in now. I've got no issues with with my kids
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schools at all. But if I had a kindergartener, first grade,
or second grade or third grader, he I mean, this
is crazy town. I would object to them being forced
to sit and watch a teacher read books like this
to them. And I don't know buck that. Again, we
have Dolly Parton Imagination Library here. I have read a
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ton of kids books to my kids over the years,
and they unfortunately read at least two of them of
the three are willing to read. But I can't imagine
that there are thousands of books that would be great
for a kindergarten teacher to read to kids. That has
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nothing to do with any particular political slant, That has
nothing to do with anything anything other than encouraging them
to like stories and like reading and maybe also build
up their toughness a little bit like the little engine
that could. Hey, if I think I can do something,
I can, right, this is wild.
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So we cover a lot of ground, no doubt, absolute
wide range. And I covered a lot of ground this
morning for breakfast in downtown Franklin, Tennessee, which is a
hallmark town if there's ever been a town. And I
was with Secretary of the Interior Doug Bergham, formerly the
governor of North Dakota. And you've got governor Secretary. You
(32:21):
got so many different titles now, but we talked about
a wide range of issues. But I want to start
with this because I remember the first time we had
you on was right after you injured yourself playing basketball
during the twenty twenty four presidential election cycle. You've now
recovered from that, but you told me that back in
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nineteen ninety eight, you got to participate in Michael Jordan's
basketball camp that had to be an unbelievable opportunity.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
I want our audience to hear what that might have
been like.
Speaker 4 (32:56):
Well, first of all, Clay, a great tale, breakfast with you,
buckets in your hometown, fantastic revival, any of the great
breakfast places in North Dakota. But yeah, what in a
life experience to go to the Michael Jordan basketball camp.
People think, oh, you're going to meet Michael Jordan. Part
of the way he ran that it was eighty people
over age thirty five. And you come and they have
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eight teams of ten, sixteen of the top college coaches.
My coaches were John Thompson and Dean Smith, my buddy
from North Dkota that came to the camp with me.
He had Roy Williams and Loud Olsen. So we're playing
for national championship coaches. I mean, there was one instance,
We're in a close game and I got Dean Smith
(33:41):
and John Thompson chatting on the sidelines with each other,
not even paying attention to us guys out there on
the floor. We're playing Coach k and I was point guard.
I called the time out and the coach was a
little upset. He's like, what do you think you're coach now,
and I said, He said, do you like getting yelled at?
I said, well, I think it could help. We're down
three in a close game, and it is the only
chance I'm ever going to say I was able to
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play in a team that beat coach k But what
an experience.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
Well, Doug, it's buck. I didn't get to have breakfast
with you, but maybe you'll come down to mind be
beached some time. We can go get some savice or something.
And I want to ask you about your portfolio as
Interior Secretary, which doesn't get as much I think attention
to the news as some of the other major agencies
at the federal government. But it is a vast, a
(34:28):
vast entity, vast organization with a lot of really important responsibilities.
A lot of people think of national parks, but you've
also got mining rights. I mean, you've got a whole
range of things, and we don't have time to go
over all of it, obviously. I want you to tell
me what are your top priorities right now? I mean,
I know you're working with Tyler Hassen. Funny story, Tyler
and I went to school together in New York when
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we were little kids. A long time ago, so I
haven't seen him in a while. But he's a doge guy.
So there's a cleaning up an efficiency part of this,
there's a mining part of this. What are the top
priorities for the Interior Secretary right now?
Speaker 4 (35:01):
Well, it's it's as simple as this. I mean, we're
supporting President Trump's agenda to bring peace abroad, which is,
you know, end the wars against us and around the
world that are be funding. They're all being funded, whether
it's twenty four terrorist groups being funded by Iran or
the conflicts in Eastern Europe being funded by Russia's oil sales.
(35:22):
You know, we need to be in a position with
energy dominance where we're selling energy to our friends and
allies so they're not to buy it from ra adversaries,
so that we can fund both sides of a war.
But when we do that, we also are bringing prosperity
at home because energy is not just an industry. Energy
is the industry that supports every other. There's a component
in the food you eat, the car you drive, the
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food on your table, there's an energy component. We bring
energy prices down, we bring the price of everything down,
We bring prosperity at home. And then you say, well,
what does Interior have to do with this, Well, you know,
with the vision of early leadership and then certainly expanded
by by Theodore Roosevelt, the United the States of America.
The balance sheet of the United States of America a
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lot of that in interior. Five hundred million acres of
surface land, seven hundred million acres of subservice filled with
rich minerals and energy sources, and then two point five
billion offshore. If Interior was a standalone company, it would
have the largest balance sheet of anyone in the world,
any company in the world. And we all hear about
(36:23):
every election cycle, Oh this United States, woe is us.
We got thirty six and a half trillion dollars in debt,
and yeah, we've got to stop spending more each fiscal
year than we bring in, start paying down the debt.
But the asset side of the balance sheet could be
tripled what we have there.
Speaker 1 (36:40):
We could have one.
Speaker 4 (36:41):
Hundred trillion dollars of assets. So one of the things
that we're working on is trying to actually, for the
first time, build out the balance sheet of America so
we can see just how wealthy we are. And then
of course, using these resources for the benefit and the
use of the American people. That's what they were put
away for these public lands. And under Obama and Biden,
they were going to make sure that we didn't We
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didn't cut a tree, They killed the timber industry. We
weren't going to do mining. We weren't going to develop
our energy resources, whether it's oil or gas or coal.
Now we find ourselves in this battle with China where
they're controlling eighty five percent of the processing of rare
earths and critical minerals which we need for defense and electronics.
And so this is literally when I say piece of
(37:23):
broad prosperity at home interiors right in the mix of
the fight on all the core principles of President Trump's agenda.
Speaker 2 (37:30):
We're talking to Secretary of the Interior Doug Bergham. One
thing that I think is so incredibly important and some
people get it but others do not, and we were
talking about it some at breakfast is a lot of
these climate change zelots have bought into a process by
which they restrict our ability to create clean oil and
(37:52):
gas here I say clean relative to international standards, and
instead of allowing us to produce it here, they then
buy it, oftentimes from our enemies that use the money
they make from our oil and gas purchases to work
against American interest. And it's also produced much less refined,
(38:14):
It's dirtier in other words, and worse for the environment.
So they think they are being morally superior, but they're
actually creating a dynamic of oil and gas purchase that
makes the world worse, less clean, and also gives more
power to authoritarians who bear us ill will. Can you
(38:36):
break that down a little bit more, because I think
it's so important for people to understand, and as Secretary
of the Interior, it's a huge part of what you do.
Speaker 4 (38:45):
Well. It was a fantastic summary and again this yeah,
like most recently the Biden climate extremism. You know, they
claimed they were saving the planet, but they weren't doing
anything to diminish demand. They were just shifting supply. And
when you shift supply away from the US to our
adversaries who do not approach it with the same care,
because if you cared about the environment, you would insist
(39:08):
that every electron of electricity, that every ounce of a
liquid fuel, of any form of energy was produced here
in the United States. Because we do a cleaner, smarter, safer,
healthier than anyone else on the planet. And so again
you get these bizarre things where, hey, I'm going to
block a pipeline going through New York of clean natural
(39:29):
gas from Pennsylvania going into New England. We're going to
vote that down because the state of New York and
we believe for saving the planet. Meanwhile, because they do
that now in the state of Maine, eighty percent of
the homes are heated by heating oil. Forty one percent
of the homes in New Hampshire. At the time of
the Russian invasion of New Hampshire, we were off loading
in our country four hundred thousand barrels a day equivalent
(39:51):
of dirty Russian heating oil to heat homes in New
England because we couldn't get clean Pennsylvania US natural gas
to them, because we're going to block a pipeline. I mean,
the absurdities, and essentially the lie around somehow stopping energy
production or transportation in America was good for the global
(40:12):
environment or good for our environment. None of that's true.
It's all false. And then it raises the price, I mean,
the price of natural gas in New England. In some
places is triple what it is in Pennsylvania, and that's
so unfair to Americans because we low priced energy is
what's going to bring manufacturing back on shore. It's what's
going to help us win the AI arms race against China.
(40:33):
It's what's going to help you know, people pay their bills,
and it's going to bring down even the price of
groceries when we have lower energy prices. So again, we're
we're in a battle of common sense here and we're
fighting for every American because every American deserves to have
access to clean, low cost, affordable, reliable energy.
Speaker 1 (40:51):
We're speaking to Interior Secretary Doug Bergham and Mister Secretary.
Rare earth minerals getting a lot of attention these days,
particularly because of the back and forth with China and
the trade negotiations, and where we get our rare earth
minerals from. First, how does that play into I mean,
maybe you give us a few things, why do we
need them? How does China play into this? And how
(41:13):
do we get more rare earth minerals here domestic sources
in America?
Speaker 4 (41:19):
Well, because, as I said earlier, the massive amounts of
federal or public lands that we have seven hundred million acres,
a lot of it in the Western United States. That
are these public lands that are rich with all kinds
of minerals, and whether they're minerals, critical minerals, rare earth minerals, anything, copper, silver, gold,
(41:41):
but all the things we need, antimony, we need for ammunition,
there's other things that we need just to be able
to manage electronic and defense sectors. China has been well
here at home with Obama Biden declaring a war on
mining in our country, just like they had a war
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on oil and oil and gas production. We are, you know,
turning that around one hundred and eighty degrees. So in
addition to drill baby drill with President Trump, we've got
to mine baby mine. And to do that, we've got
to be able to permit, and we've got to be
able to actually be able to get capital from the
private sector going to work. We have literally killed the
(42:23):
mining industry in this in this country. And and of
course China has exploited that they now control, as I
said earlier, eighty five percent of the processed rare earth
minerals that we need. It's a lever that they can
use in the battles that we're in with them right now,
and so we've got to get ourselves back in this
game and we've got to make sure that we're sporting that.
(42:45):
But under President Trump is starting to happen and whether
that is you know, again coal, We need coal for
two reasons. We need for producing electricity. We also needed
there's metallurgical coal. In that metallurgical coal, there are rare
earth minerals that we need, and there's base material like coke,
which we need for steelmaking in this country. I was,
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you know, we had a thing called fast forty one
that we discovered. It was a way to speed up projects.
There have only been two mining projects ever put on there.
President Trump put ten on there last week. There's dozens
more that are coming soon. Resolution Copper mind thirty year
saga of trying to get a permit to start. We
tackled this right after President Trump. He put out in
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you know, the the executive orders, we have an energy emergency.
We need to expedite this stuff. In three months now
we've got approvals for starting of the Resolution copper mine
in Arizona and then again at a rare earth mining operation.
There's a gold mine in California. They can also pull
rare earth minerals out of that same operation. We're fast
(43:49):
tracking all of that, so we're we're working around the
clock to get back in the mining game because if
we don't, this is a situation where again, we could
end up losing. You know, our technology is better, our
resources is better. Everything we've got is better. But because
of bureaucracy and ideology around climate, we end up losing
this AI arms race to China. That would be a
(44:11):
sad thing.
Speaker 2 (44:12):
Last question for you, you are going to be I
believe you're going to be bringing a new park into
the country, and it's one that President Trump announced earlier
this year down in Texas with Joscelyn Nungary and her family.
What can you tell us about what you're doing there.
Speaker 4 (44:33):
Well, we're heading we'll be there tomorrow. And this is
a existing US Fish and Wildlife refuge that as being
renamed in honor of Joscelyn Nungerre and of course, unfortunately
America knows her story, twelve year old, beautiful young woman
who was tragically and horribly murdered and killed by illegal immigrants.
(44:59):
President Trump acknowledged her mother and her sister. They were
present in the House Chambers when he was giving us
joint address to the two chambers this year. Touching moment
for sure, any of us that are parents hard to
think about what it would be like to lose your
twelve year old daughter, and for any reason, but for
those reasons in particular, and that but she loved love
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wildlife and loved the outdoors. And President Trump wants to
make sure that she's remembered forever. And so we're renaming
this US Fish and Wildlife Refuge. We changed the name
on the electronic maps the day after he gave that
beautiful speech that he delivered to the whole country. But
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it will be there tomorrow with the family many extended
family members. Could be more than twenty people from the
Nungary family there, including Jocelyn's mother and sister and others.
And we'll be there in person, and we're going through
the physical renaming of the all the signage around the park,
and we'll be there, and I'm sure that's going to
(46:05):
be a touching moment for all involved. But again, it's
just something that's so genuine out President Trump, who who
genuinely cares about the people in our country. And that's
why he's fighting so hard every day to make sure
that we've got safe and secure borders and that we've
you know, bringing peace to the world.
Speaker 1 (46:23):
Secretary the Interior Doug Berger, appreciate you being with us
or thank you so much.
Speaker 4 (46:28):
Well, great to be with both of you and look
forward to be back on and thank you both for
all you do and helping helping inspire America to be
reach our fullest potential, whether it's the parents or of
the country. So thanks for all you d gentlemen. Thank you.
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Speaker 2 (47:51):
You don't know what's you don't know right, but you
should on the Sunday Hang with Clay and Buck podcast.
Speaker 3 (47:59):
I spoke to the President this morning. He is not
going to give up on ensuring that there are fair
trade practices around the world. He is not giving up
on the fact that China has been ripping off the
United States of America for far too long. And President
Trump has brought hundreds of countries now from around the
world to the negotiating table. We have eighteen proposals on
paper from nations around the world who recognize that they
(48:22):
have in fact been ripping off the United States, and
there's a president in the Oval Office right now who
is no longer going to tolerate it. So this is
the art of the deal. President Trump is using the
leverage of the United States to bring nations to the
negotiating table that includes China, who he remains very optimistic
there will be a fair trade deal with China that
finally puts American workers and American industry.
Speaker 1 (48:43):
First, YEP. Art of the deal, Trump's doing his thing
as we knew that he would all along. No one's
going to tell him not to. He is the Trumpster,
and he will be judged by his results on this one,
and he knows that, and he also I think deserve
you know, the a lot of things Clay were what
I've said. Look, he's been right on so many things
(49:03):
where even a lot of Republicans were saying, oh, no,
you can't do that. His whole political story is being
right when everyone says you can't do that, or pushing
through whatever Ande says it's impossible. But on China specifically,
he's the only one who's doing anything, or rather he's
the only one who's been in a position to do anything,
who's been willing to look at this issue. You speak
(49:26):
to anybody, and I mean I saw mister wonderful Kevin
O'Leary was on TV recently talking about how and I've
heard this from other people. And I was in China
for a business conference in twenty nineteen, and it's very
very interesting, very eerie thing. I don't know how many
of you have been to China. Some of you have
probably been missionaries there or something. I have been there
for twenty years and speak Mandarin. But and I say
(49:48):
that not kidding. I'm sure there are a few of
you who that's the case. But when you go there,
it is like you're on another planet in a lot
of ways, just because things that you cannot take certain
things for granted at all. And you're very mindful of
who you're speaking to and what you're saying, and what
you're googling, or rather not googling because you can't google,
but you know what you're doing on the Internet. And
(50:11):
the theft of intellectual property. I mean, think about this, Clay,
you want to do business in China. You run a
company that you know makes widgets, you know the Crockett
Widget Company, we decide we're going to set up shop. Oh,
we want access to China's market. Okay, cool. So we
do a joint venture with a Chinese company because the
Chinese government mandates it. And then we do this joint
venture with them, and then they set up shop down
(50:34):
the road with government backing, taking all the stuff that
we've brought with us, replicating it, starting a new company,
shutting down our joint venture, and we can't sue, We
can't do anything. It's see you later. That is standard
operating procedure in the People's Republic of China. That is
what goes on their clay. It's why companies don't want
(50:56):
to do business with them, and they get away with
this stuff all the time.
Speaker 2 (51:01):
I would point out that if you questioned Trump's wisdom
on tariffs in the way that he responded to China,
do you know that the only thing Joe Biden didn't
change when he took office John Trump's tariffs on China.
And it sort of has slipped under the radar that
that occurred. But think about all the executive orders that
(51:22):
Joe Biden put in place the minute that he got
to the Oval office. One of the most controversial things
that Trump did, we were told, was China trade policy
and the tariffs that he implemented to try to make
Chinese trade policy fairer with the United States. So many
people squawked in opposition. Biden got in office, never changed him,
(51:45):
kept him a Biden. Here you go a little fun
throwback here. January twenty twenty two. President Biden's administration has
left tariffs in place on three hundred and fifty bills
dollars of Chinese goods imposed by his predecessor, Donald Trump. Hmm,
(52:07):
it mightn't that interesting thing they agreed on buck, It
might I mean legitimately, and initially they all said this
was unacceptable, it was going to destroy the economy. Biden
comes into office, he left them all in place. So
I just think that speaks volumes about this.
Speaker 1 (52:23):
And also you notice how people that were saying, oh,
why is he tearing up NAFTA with the US Mexico
Canada agreement because the Mexico Canada agreements better. He was
right all the people that were saying, why is he
messing with NAFTA. NAFTA was old. NAFTA needed to be updated.
There were problems with NAFTA, and he did. So do
you hear anyone saying we need to get rid of
us Mexico Canada? Now, No, of course not. Did Biden
(52:45):
try to do that? No, of course not. Right. So
there's a track record here, Clay that I don't think
anybody should ignore if they want to have any sense
as to what's possible here and what the likely outcomes
could be.
Speaker 2 (52:59):
You know, in retch respect, a guy who probably deserves
a lot more credit that doesn't get it Ross Perrot,
because one of his top for those of you who
remember one of these, say you can and there's a
lot of people we could thrown in the mix, but
go ahead. But I mean, I think Ross Perot one
of his top issues was he said that NAFTA was
(53:20):
going to be a net negative for American middle class jobs.
And I think that much of the argument that he
made has in many ways been proved to be prescient.
In other words, he's been proven to be right. And
people forget how many voters he got. Back in nineteen
(53:41):
ninety two, as all of this NAFTA free trade discussion
was beginning, there were a lot of people kind of
tiptoeing into it, not really understanding what we were headed for.
And there is an element. I know it's whatever forty
years later, basically, but there is a strong element of
Trump trade policy that is evoking and echoing the arguments
(54:05):
that Ross Perout was making as long ago as ninety two.
And to your point, Buck, there are many people who
made them, but I just remember Ross Perout in particular
getting savaged over these arguments that he was making, and
I bet Trump agreed with a lot of them back
in the day. Because Trump's on record talking about this
back in the eighties with Oprah Winfrey. I mean that
(54:26):
some of that footage has come out of him. The
one thing he's been consistent on is the fact that
I was getting our once.
Speaker 1 (54:33):
I don't think you can find other than liking pretty ladies.
I don't think you can find anything that Donald Trump
has been more consistent on in public life period than
tariffs and China. I don't know what else. You know,
maybe deal making is important, you know, but there's nothing
on a policy level that you can point to where
he's been as consistent as long as he has on
(54:57):
this issue. And I think that it for all the
reason we've laid out, we should see where where he's
able to take this. Here we go. Vip Robert wrote,
this didn't play on Trump China pull line from the
movie Roadhouse, be nice until it's time not to be nice.
I think that first of all, great great reference Roadhouse
(55:18):
one of the most watchable absurd movies ever made, being
remade it and now they're making the Roadhouse to write
you watched. I never saw the remake. No, I bet
I don't even have to. It had like the little
Irish m m A guy in it. What's his name?
Not the new one Patty, Yeah, Connor McGregor, No, no, no, I.
Speaker 2 (55:38):
Don't know if I want to be on record with
Buck Is saying that Connor McGregor is a little Irish guy.
Speaker 1 (55:43):
I'm not that's fair. I'm not saying he can't can't
an actor.
Speaker 2 (55:50):
I'm gonna be having to get us somewhere and there's
gonna be a tap on my shoulder and that little
Irish guy is gonna be there kicking my ass and
I'm gonna be like, no, it was Buck who said it.
I didn't have anything to do with it. And Jay
gillanall Is is playing the lead role, right, Yeah, it's
said in the It.
Speaker 1 (56:05):
Is a It is a Patrick Swayze classic. For those
of you who have not seen it, it is absolutely absurd.
Like the whole movie. He lives across the lake from
the main bad guy. He's like somehow knows karate. He
went to n Yu, Like none of it adds. The
movie makes absolutely He he goes, he gets stabbed in
(56:28):
a knife fight, and the nurse who's tending to him
is like a sports illustrated swimsuit model who lives in
this gorgeous who lives in this small town and then
wants to go roll around with this guy and like
the actual barn that he lives in. I'm just look,
not all heroes wear capes. Was pretty amazing that he
was able to pull this off in the movie. But yes,
(56:48):
it is very very Sam Elliott, by the way, some
great Sam Elliot stuff. What does he keep? Does he
call him Kimosabe or what's his uh? Me? Me Miho?
He calls him miho the movie? Is there a bet?
This is a fun debate.
Speaker 2 (57:03):
Is there a better nineteen eighties era range of actor
range than Patrick Swayzee for wildly successful movies that had
nothing in common? Because if you think about just off
the top of my head, Ghost, Dirty Dancing, and Roadhouse,
(57:23):
Like the difference between Roadhouse and Ghost is or Roadhouse,
and I guess Point Break is nineties. But Point Break
would be another great one to add. And then some
of you are gonna remember this and this is the
history nerd in me. He also played a Civil War
soldier or this is I don't know how many of
you ever gonna remember this Civil War Civil War Camp
(57:45):
Clay movie. Yeah, this, we just sat around to watch
this movie. And he played a Confederate general or E.
Maine from South Carolina. The range of Patrick Swayze excellence
to your if you was Point Break nineteen ninety, it
might have been just the very around him. But I mean,
if you think about Ghost, if you think of the
(58:07):
Dirty Dancing, Roadhouse, North and South and Love and War,
which was like this television mini series epic based on
the John Jake's novels of the Civil War, and man,
I may well have super nerded myself out there. I
don't know how many of you read these in the eighties,
but I did. And the because of the mini series
(58:28):
was so popular. Patrick Swayze might have had the best
acting career of anyone range super successful movies in the
nineteen eighties. I mean, like Arnold Schwarzenegger basically played Arnold Schwarzenegger, Right,
Sylvester Stallone basically played Sylvester Stallone. I know there's some exceptions,
like Arnold Schwarzenegger was in Twins with Danny DeVito where
(58:50):
he was funny kindergarten cop.
Speaker 1 (58:52):
It's not a Tuma, it's one of his.
Speaker 2 (58:53):
There are a few exp Oh, Michael Barry, our buddy
down in Houston, just texted me Read Dawn. I mean,
remember how good he was Red Dawn in the nineteen eighties,
and as part of it.
Speaker 1 (59:06):
I mean, I just want to say, well played, mister Berry,
well played.
Speaker 2 (59:09):
He's got a great show in Houston for those of
you that are listening to us right now.
Speaker 1 (59:12):
But I mean, think about it.
Speaker 2 (59:14):
Is he this is this maybe the most aggressive crazy
argument I've made. Is Patrick Swayzee the most underrated nineteen
eighties movie actor of all time.
Speaker 1 (59:24):
I don't know if he could. I don't think he's
underrated enough. I don't think he's underrated. I think that
he well, he passed away of cancer sadly some years ago.
But I just think that he didn't. He didn't stay
as big for like long, but I think that he was.
I think in the eighties he was a true leading
man and was getting his dude, look at the movie.
(59:45):
Was he the best nineteen eighties actor? If you can
sell now, you're getting now, you're getting created, now you're
calling range on range.
Speaker 2 (59:54):
I think there's a sway there's an under under disrespected,
under the radar argument for Patrick Swayze's excellent A generation
you you gen X people like Paccino and de Niro
way too much.
Speaker 1 (01:00:08):
So that's always, uh, that always comes up with this.
Speaker 2 (01:00:11):
I've never been Robert de Niro plays the same character
in every.
Speaker 1 (01:00:14):
Same thing and everything the same, you know, Italian Mafia, Like, yes,
the whole the whole thing. I've never I think that
I would put them in the really overrated category actually
of actors. Yeah, that's that's a hot take for you.
Some of the people in the Northeast. We got a
lot of New Jersey, New York listeners, they're not gonna
like that one. But I'm just telling you, Okay, yeah,
(01:00:35):
Goodfellas is very watchable, but like, let's calm down, it's
not as great as everybody protects.
Speaker 2 (01:00:39):
Michael Berry still firing by the way, the Outsiders all
nineteen eighties. I'm I'm gonna maybe have to die on
this hill.
Speaker 1 (01:00:45):
But I think Harris Harrison Ford was big, was huge
in the eighties Indiana Jones, right, so you'd you're you're
saying best actorating range range like he's Indiana. Basically, Harrison
Ford is Indiana Jones or Han Solo in those movies
across the board, right, the range of Dirty Dancing to
Roadhouse to Red Dawn. Is there better nineteen eighties performance
(01:01:10):
than Patrick Swayzee. I'm not sure. I'm not sure we
can beat him, and I actually don't. I don't I would.
I would love to disagree with you, but I actually
can't come up with anything on the fly here to
refute your argument, which makes me think that it's not
as crazy as my initial I mean, like, Michael Jay
Fox was great, and I'm going to talk about testosterone
here in a minute, but Michael J. Fox also wasn't
taking over you know, like a country right in a
(01:01:35):
in a in a or a bar or what. It
wasn't like an action hero.
Speaker 2 (01:01:39):
And you know, Patrick Swayze in the eighties, you know
what I bet he had buck unbelievable levels of testosterone.
I bet his testosterone levels were through the roof. You
can't make pottery like that in Ghost and then also
simultaneously simultaneously beat everybody's ass in Roadhouse without incredible levels
of testosterone. He's a lover and he was a fighter, Buck,
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fighter someday, and if so, you might need more testosterone
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