June 9, 2025 • 37 mins
Hour 1 of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show kicks off with Clay broadcasting solo from Washington, D.C., as Buck Sexton is delayed due to travel disruptions. Clay outlines a dynamic two-week schedule from the nation’s capital, including exclusive interviews with lawmakers and a highly anticipated Oval Office sit-down with President Donald Trump. This hour sets the tone for a politically charged and news-driven week. The primary focus of Hour 1 is the escalating unrest in Los Angeles, which Clay compares to the violent protests of summer 2020. He describes scenes of chaos, including burning police vehicles, attacks on law enforcement, and vandalism of autonomous Waymo cars. Clay emphasizes the presence of foreign flags and anti-ICE sentiment among rioters, suggesting the protests are “astro-turfed” and not organic grassroots movements. Clay praises President Trump’s swift response to the violence, highlighting the deployment of the National Guard and a renewed commitment to law and order. He contrasts this with what he sees as weak leadership from California Governor Gavin Newsom and Los Angeles Mayor Karen Bass. Trump’s proactive stance, Clay argues, is a direct lesson learned from his first term—namely, that violent protests must be stopped immediately to prevent national destabilization. The show also spotlights a significant drop in crime rates across major U.S. cities under President Trump’s leadership. Clay cites dramatic year-over-year declines in murder rates in cities like New York (-27%), Chicago (-24%), and Denver (-63%), attributing this trend to Trump’s law-and-order policies and support for police departments nationwide. In a cultural flashpoint, Clay previews an upcoming interview with Riley Gaines, a former NCAA swimmer and OutKick contributor, who responds to criticism from Olympic gymnast Simone Biles. Biles had publicly attacked Gaines for her outspoken stance on protecting women’s sports from male participation. Clay and Gaines dissect the backlash, with Gaines defending her advocacy and calling out the hypocrisy of elite female athletes who support trans inclusion only after retiring from competition. Throughout Hour 1, Clay critiques mainstream media coverage of the LA riots, calling out ABC and CNN for downplaying the violence. He mocks their portrayal of the events as “people having fun watching cars burn,” arguing that such narratives ignore the real threats to public safety and law enforcement. This hour is packed with breaking news, cultural commentary, and political analysis, all centered around the themes of public safety, media bias, and the ongoing debate over gender in sports. It sets the stage for a high-energy week of exclusive content from Washington, D.C., with President Trump’s leadership and law-and-order agenda at the forefront.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Welcome in Monday edition Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. Appreciate
all of you hanging out with us. We're gonna have
some fun, as we always do on the show, but
a little bit of a unique fun for the next
two weeks. I'm gonna be in our iHeart studios by
and large here in Washington, d C. We're gonna be
bringing in a lot of congressman, a lot of Senators.
(00:26):
We are going to be with President Trump, Buck and
I in the Oval Office. We're gonna head out to
the Pentagon. We're gonna be at Secretary of State. We're
gonna be all over the place in DC for the
next couple of weeks. So you may have no idea
who's gonna be on from one moment to the next,
but it should be really cool. We're obviously on here
in d C in Freedom one oh four point seven,
(00:46):
but we have awesome studios here. If you've been to
d C, just down from Ford's Theater, just down from
the Arena, right in the center of Northwest Washington, d C.
Just a couple of blocks away from the Capitol, just
a couple of blocks away from the White House. In fact,
this morning I went up to Capitol Hill because I
have got my oldest son doing an internship, which is
(01:08):
the primary reason why I said, hey.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
Let's go to DC for a couple of weeks.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
So he is up on Capitol Hill learning how the
government works, and Dad is in charge of him. Buck
is stuck somewhere on a tarmac, as many of you
are aware, at thunderstorm season, the worst time to be
trying to travel anywhere.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
He will be back with.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Me tomorrow here in our DC studios, and let me
give you a little bit of roadmap of where we're
headed before I dive into this chaos in Los Angeles
and why I think it's so significant. Marsha Blackburn and
Tommy Tuberville, two senators, are going to be with us
in studio here in the third hour, so you can
put that on the horizon. We will also be joined
by Riley Gaines here at the bottom of the hour.
(01:50):
She works at OutKick alongside of me. She is fabulous
and out of nowhere. Olympic gymnast Simone Biles ripped her
for being too outspoken on keeping men out of women's sports,
and so Riley is going to respond here on the
show to that, So that will be at the bottom
(02:11):
of the hour. You guys can be prepared for that.
But I wanted to say, first of all, hope you
guys had fabulous weekends and we are going to have
like you can tell as I just laid out a
super pac show here on the Monday edition of the program.
But many of you, alongside of certainly me, we're watching
last night as Unfortunately, we had what felt like an
(02:34):
echo of the summer of twenty twenty emerging in Los Angeles.
We had police cruisers on fire. We had rocks and
other projectiles being hurled at police officers. We had five
different Waymo vehicles. You may remember I came on talking
about how much I loved riding in these autonomous vehicles
(02:56):
waymos that have taken over much of the travel in
San Francisco, in La Phoenix. I think a lot of
you out there would be riding in them as well.
They're spreading across the country very quickly. I had my
oldest son with me in San Francisco. He was super
excited to ride in one. I loved it. They were
on fire, in Los Angeles and the cars were being graffited.
(03:18):
People were waving the flags of Mexico and other countries
as they rioted against ICE. And here's what I think
is going on. I think if you went back and
maybe we'll talk about this with President Trump Thursday in
the Oval Office, I think one of the things that
Trump would say that he learned in his first term
in office was when violent protests begin, you have to nip.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
Them in the bud immediately.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
You cannot allow them to grow and spread and then
fester across the entire nation. And if you remember, in
the summer of twenty twenty, Tim Walls was the governor
of Minnesota responding to George Floyd. There is one hundred
percent should be one hundred percent openness for protest in
the United States. We should not ever allow violent protest.
(04:05):
And if you violently protest, whether you're a Democrat, Republican, independent,
whether you're a citizen or a non citizen, you should
be arrested and prosecuted, I think to the full extent
of law. And we've been pretty consistent about that.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
Now.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
That doesn't mean that you, as we saw in January sixth,
should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law,
and everybody else who was involved in the BLM protest
when they were trying to basically knock the fences down
at the White House, if you remember that well, when
they were attacking police like crazy. You should have no
charges brought based on the politics there, and every charge
(04:40):
brought based on the politics of January sixth. But if
you are going to charge everyone, regardless of political backgrounds,
to the utmost stability for violence, I'm in favor of it.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
I've been in favor of.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
It my entire life, while also being one hundred percent
a First Amendment guy. I'm banned from CNN for as
many if you remember, for saying the only two things
that have never let me down are the First Amendment
and boobs in a eight year old viral clip that
continues to be one of the most popular clips. Every
few months it's circulating again, and every new generation is
(05:13):
becoming aware of it in a positive way.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
By the way.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
They like it even more the younger kids do, and
I think that's because younger men in particular are over
the BS. So I think what Trump learned from the
first administration is you have to stop these protests and
not allow them to spiral and grow, particularly because this
is not a real protest, it's astro turfed. They bring
(05:39):
in professional protesters who want to riot, who want to frankly,
take away from whatever honest, peaceful protest is trying to
be made, and they turn many parts of American cities
into violent cesspools. They burn down buildings, they attack cars,
they attack police. And so this is what we started
(06:01):
to see happen in Los Angeles last night. And before
I start playing some of the clips from what happened
last night, one bit of positivity. I have not heard
it talked about very much, but murder rates in this
country are collapsing all over the country because Trump has
committed to giving police the ability to execute from a
(06:26):
law and order perspective. And I'm not hearing a lot
of people talk about it. And yes, murder rates do
go up in the summer, Frankly, I think it's because
kids are out of school, people have more time. But
all over the country we are seeing twenty twenty five
crime collapse. In fact, we could have potentially the lowest
(06:48):
murder rate in the US ever recorded based on how
much murder rates are collapsing in this country again. Trump
took office, law order has been on the upswing, and
we are seeing massive declines in murder rates all over
the country. And it's not getting a lot of attention.
(07:10):
But let me just hit you with this. Through May
of twenty twenty five from last year, just from last year,
murder rates in New York City down twenty seven percent.
In murder rates in Chicago down twenty four percent. Murder
rates in Saint Louis down thirty five percent, Denver sixty
(07:31):
three percent decline, Baltimore thirty two percent decline, Cleveland thirty
seven percent decline, New Orleans thirty one percent decline. It
doesn't matter what the blue city is. A little bit
of red state law and order being applied makes everybody safer.
It's not getting a lot of attention, but this is
(07:53):
an incredible success story. And so what Trump and his
team saw is they said, we're not going to allow
the chaos that happened in twenty twenty to take over
the country again. And sadly, the people who ended up
losing the most were the people who had to deal
with the rates of violence overwhelmingly black and brown in
(08:14):
this country. As the BLM protest led to a decline
in law and order. So Trump says, hey, I'm going
to bring in the National Guard. We're going to provide
even more protection than we did in twenty twenty.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
We're not going to.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
Allow history to repeat itself. Now, this is LA's police chief,
Jim McDonell. This is cut six last night, saying it's
out of control what we are seeing, the violence.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
This is cut six.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
The National Guard was federalized, so they're working for the
US Army, not for the California State National Guard.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
Do we need them? Do we need them?
Speaker 3 (08:54):
Well, looking at it tonight, you know this thing has
gotten out of control.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
What they're think?
Speaker 3 (09:00):
Before I could answer that, I'd have to know more
about what their capabilities are, what their role is intended
to be to be able to make that determination.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
Okay, when the police chief says it's out of control,
that's a sign that probably he wants the National Guard
in that he doesn't feel like he has enough resources.
But I bet that this guy doesn't want to step
on Gavin Newsom, governor of California, and Karen Bass, the
mayor of LA, who are doing awful jobs. And here
(09:31):
is Tom Homan saying, protest all you want, but if
you touch law enforcement, it's a crime.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
Cut eight.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
For those protests that cross the line. I've said many
times you can protest, you get your first point of rights,
but when you cross that line, you put hands on
my soft shirt or you destroy property, I say that
you're a peed law enforcement or you're normally heart reconsuming
igal Halian, that's a crime, and that the compministration is
not what tolerant you cross that line. We want to
see prose excute through partner justice.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Police chief says violence out of control. He also says
that you just heard Tom Holman saying we're not going
to allow this to happen. Here is Tom Holman saying
the violence is escalating, getting worse, more violent.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
Cut seven to the people who are not happy with
the fact that ICE is in the in the community
doing what.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
ICE does you know?
Speaker 3 (10:20):
It's I respect ICE for being a fellow law enforcement agency.
They have their mission, they have their what they have
to do. We don't engage in that activity, but again
we can't preclude them from doing that.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
They have every right to do that. This violence that.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
I've seen is disgusting, it's escalated. Now since the beginning
of this incident. What we saw the first night was bad.
What we've seen subsequent to that is getting increasingly worse
and more violent. Tonight we had individuals out there shooting
commercial grade fireworks at our officers.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
That can kill you.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
Okay, Trump says, look, they spit, we hit this cut one.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
Listen, I have a little statement. They say, they spin,
we hit. I told them nobody's gonna spit on our
police officers. Nobody's gonna spit on our military. Okay.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
So that is the background. Now you watch the images yourself.
There are cars burning, police cars burning. They are being
attacked police officers. Listen to what you heard if you
were on ABC News in La.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
This is Mark Brown. He wants you to know.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
Look, this is just a lot of people who want
to have fun watching cars burn. It's not a riot.
This is what this dude really said on ABC News.
Listen to cut four.
Speaker 5 (11:46):
Large group of people. It could turn very volatile if
you move law enforcement in there and the wrong way
and turn what is just a bunch of people having
fun watching cars burn into a massive confrontation and altercation
between officers and demonstrators.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Excuse me a bunch of people having fun watching cars burn.
They're not pulling out skewers and making smores in the
backyard with the family. That's having fun watching a fire burn.
This is attacking people all over the city. Do you
think those cops were, like, man, they're just having fun
watching the cars burn while molotov cocktails are raining down
(12:26):
on them from the overpass, which is what I saw
happening last night. Imagine you're watching ABC News. How does
that dude have a job. They're just having There's a
bunch of people having fun watching cars burn. Yeah, that's
kind of yeah, that's kind of what a riot is.
And also on CNN, Brian Stelter humpting himself, he wanted
(12:46):
you to know.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
Most of La is fine. This is cut three of it.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
Let me just say this too, By the way, when
la was burning, it wasn't the entire city. Do you
think people would have been happy if you come on
and you say, hey, yeah, there's lots of people losing
their homes, they're burning down. Most of the city's not
getting hit. I live in Tornado Alley and a large
extent in Nashville. Tornadoes come through, they wipe out people's homes.
Do you think if I came on the day after
(13:13):
a tornado and I was like, Hey, just so, y'all know,
most of the city didn't get hit by the tornado,
so we don't really need to consider it a major issue.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
Of course not. But this was.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
Stelter on CNN saying, hey, it's really pretty isolated.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
The riots cut three.
Speaker 6 (13:32):
On one level, protests are always about images, about spectacle.
You might even say it's about theater, and we are
seeing that play out in La and I think it's
valuable to have that perspective as we see some of
these pictures, especially as we zoom out, and we recognize
that the unrest is isolated, is not overtaking the entire
city of La La is home to millions of people.
(13:52):
Most of them are having a normal day here on Sunday.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
Oh yeah, the tornado.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
It just killed some people. Most people are still that hurricane. Boy,
you know, it didn't hit.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
Most of Florida. It just hit part of Florida.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
I mean, this is crazy, but that is what they
are trying to do to minimize Again, I think the
big story here is Trump one point zero and everybody
surrounding him saw what happened in the summer of riots
that led to I believe thousands of additional murders because
suddenly police couldn't do their job, and they are saying,
we're not gonna let the nation's second largest city, Los Angeles,
(14:25):
spiral out of control. By the way, a lot of
you in La listening to us. Now we have a
huge audience. You can weigh in and let us know
what you're seeing and what you think of the response
so far. And isn't it always interesting? Isn't always interesting
how the rioters, the looters and the protesters they never
do this when it's cold, Like they're never willing to
(14:45):
be out in the streets when it's twenty five degrees. Now,
I know LA's warm all the time, but it isn't
it amazing that they wait till the weather's perfect. It
has to be the summer. It has to be. When
it's not, you're not gonna be out in the streets shivering.
And and it's amazing they never really seem to hit
the bookstores, and they never really seem to do it
early in the morning. It's kind of interesting how it
(15:07):
all happens late at night, isn't it? And how it's
only like the best buy and the foot locker that
gets hit Barnes and Noble. I was at Barnes and
Noble last night. Barnes and Noble never looted or rioted
in the history of mankind. Nobody's like, hey, we can
get a really great deal. In the Harry Potter books
right now, they don't seem to be big readers the
looters and the rioters, despite the fact that they say
(15:29):
that they are trying to make a larger statement. So
we'll take some of your calls. We'll dive in again
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of the hour. Kristen nurse in LA. What have you
(17:37):
been thinking as you watched the images from your city?
Speaker 7 (17:41):
I'll tell you I was disgusted.
Speaker 6 (17:44):
I stayed up last night.
Speaker 7 (17:45):
I live in Calabasis, but I work all over in
the valley in Malibu, and tomorrow I have to go
to UCLA and do rounds. It is pathetic. You see
these people at all the news stations out here. They
call it prote and protesting and peaceful.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
They even say Christ, thank you for the work you're
doing in the hospitals. They even call it peaceful protesting,
which is not what I saw. Riley Gaines coming back,
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Riley Gain's gonna join us. President Trump for has weighed
in on LA and the riots as we opened the show,
talking about we made a great decision sending in the
National Guard to deal with the violent instigated riots in California.
If we had not done so, Los Angeles would have
been completely obliterated. The very incompetent governor quotation marks Gavin
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Newsom and mayor quotation marks Karen Bass should be saying
thank you, President Trump, you are so wonderful. We would
be nothing without you, sir. Instead, they choose to lie
to the people of California and America by saying we
weren't needed and that these were just quote, peaceful protests.
Just one luck at the pictures and videos of the
violence and destruction tells you all you have to know.
(19:38):
We will always do what is needed to keep our
citizens safe so we can together make America great again.
A woman who was trying to simply make women's sports
great again by doing something crazy and saying only women
should be able to play in women's sports. My friend
Riley Gaines joins us now and we're texting quite a
(20:00):
bit over the weekend. But full disclosure, I was out
to dinner with my family. I had my mother in law,
my brother in law, and you sent me the link
and I thought.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
This can't be real.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
There's no way that Olympic gymnast Simone Biles out of
nowhere just decided to rip you for simply saying, hey,
there shouldn't be a male pitcher winning a Minnesota softball
women's championship state title. And I still have in disbelief
that this happened. What was your reaction when you first
(20:32):
saw this when it popped up on your social media feeds.
Speaker 7 (20:35):
Well, Clay, you were the very first person I sent
it to. I saw it pretty immediately, which is pretty rare.
I have my notifications off on X right, like things
don't typically pop up. But I think it bypasses.
Speaker 8 (20:47):
If someone mentions you.
Speaker 7 (20:48):
Or retweets or quotes you and they have a certain
number of followers, and so I got this notification that
said Simone Biles has tagged you in a tweet. I was.
I was honestly like stars in that moment.
Speaker 8 (21:01):
I couldn't believe it.
Speaker 7 (21:02):
This is a woman I publicly called on prior to this,
maybe a year or two ago, to stand with women,
not me personally, but to stand with the movement of
protecting women and girls in sports. So I click on
it and Clay was. It took me a minute. I
had to go back and forth to the profile several
times and make sure this was not a fake account.
But no, lo and behold, this was the real Simone
(21:25):
Biles calling me a bully for defending women and girls
in sports. Even still, just like you said, I'm in
total disbelief that in the year twenty twenty five, this
is the stance that Simone Biles has chosen to take.
I think the response would have been a lot different
if this was in twenty twenty, twenty twenty one, maybe
(21:48):
even twenty twenty two. But to say this now, I
just can't, for the life of me, understand why she
would do this.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
So the attack was crazy on that, But then she
also came after you over your body, which is like,
first of all, every all athletes have, particularly as you
become Olympic champions, sometimes bodies that are different, right, Like
Michael Phelps does not look like a normal human. It's
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one reason why he's such an incredible swimmer. Simone Biles
is not a quote normal sized human. It's one reason
why she can throw her body all over the place
in a women's gymnastics And so she's actually done body
positivity ads to try to make women and I think
boys too, more comfortable with their bodies. And so the
(22:38):
first thought when she attacked you that I had was
Riley's like the most average and I don't mean this
in a negative way, but you're actually the most average
sized girl out there, right, So my first thought was,
I mean, there's anything wrong with like a six foot
four woman or whatever you're And then I love you
made a video because my first thought was like, Riley's
not even abnormally sized, but she was trying to ridicule you,
(23:02):
and she did it claiming.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
That you are male size. So that is even maybe
crazier than the first week she said.
Speaker 7 (23:09):
It is by far crazier for a couple of reasons.
Number one, because when she said this, right like, fully
someone your own size, which would ironically be a man.
The first thing I thought of was this is this
is so hilarious because she's understanding and recognizing that men
and women are physically, biologically categorically different, right Like, she
just admitted that in this sease that I think was
(23:31):
meant to be an insult. But then, of course number two, yeah,
to come from my body. First of all, I'm five
foot five, I mean relatively standard. I think anyone would
be a giant next to someone who's like four foot eight.
Right What I think Simone Biles is, yeah, I'm so
standard sized. I'm like one hundred and thirty one hundred
and thirty five pounds. So it took me a while
(23:52):
to even make sense of this. I'm like, is she
calling me tall? Is she saying I'm muscular? Is she
saying I'm like? I didn't even plate in my brain
for a little bit. But I will tell you the
response that she has received from this. I mean it's
it's been the number one trending thing on Twitter prior
to the LA riots, of course, which is just horrific
(24:12):
and an utter shame that this is happening in our country.
It was a number one trending thing on Twitter for
for I mean two days straight, even on TikTok. Every
TikTok video that pops up on my for you page
is someone coming for Simone Biles for coming for me
and for my body. Again, a woman who has has
historically made a platform a larger platform for herself outside
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of her athletic success for I mean, praising women and
their muscular bodies and the purpose that they can serve.
But nonetheless she has shown her true colors here.
Speaker 8 (24:44):
I believe.
Speaker 7 (24:45):
Well.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
I love that you posted a video with your husband Louis,
who is also awesome and was a swimmer at the
University of Kentucky where he actually measured you and your
slock feet. I'm presuming that was in your in the
front room of your home, which is where really really funny.
But it also, just to me epitomizes the crazy hypocrisy
(25:06):
of her to your point, yes, acknowledging bully someone on
your own size. Hey, there is a difference between men
and women, because that's oftentimes said, and so she's acknowledging
that even while she's trying.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
To do it. So what is the motivation here?
Speaker 2 (25:21):
I'm sure in some measure you set back and you're like, yes,
she has been thankfully obliterated by people from across the
athletic spectrum for what she did, Why did she do it?
Speaker 1 (25:35):
Where did this come from?
Speaker 7 (25:37):
This is what I've been trying to figure out. I've
seen a couple of different series, and I've actually had
several Team USA gymnasts, both men and women, actually tons
of Olympians across the board, all kinds of different sports.
So every shout I will disclose any names, but several
have told me privately that this was an attempt to
(25:58):
put her name in the spotlight prior to a Netflix
docu series that is to come out called Simone. I
think it's called Simone Rising or something of that nature,
which what a what a hilarious thing. Simone Bile's allegedly
feeling like she needs to get back into the spotlight,
and she does it by by criticizing me insane, So
(26:21):
that number one could potentially be a possibility. Some people
are saying they don't think this was really her. This
was a management company or someone who runs her her
social media who posted this. Some people are.
Speaker 8 (26:32):
Saying she's been paid to post this.
Speaker 7 (26:34):
That now posted receipts of her linked with a certain
like activist based organization that's in the forty fifty million
dollars and she's been tied to them.
Speaker 8 (26:44):
So I have no idea.
Speaker 7 (26:46):
I cannot again, I just can't, and with a sound mind,
think she did this because she actually believes it being
an elite gymnast.
Speaker 8 (26:57):
I mean, you look at men's and women's gymnastics.
Speaker 7 (26:59):
They're not even the same sport essentially, Like you have
palm of horse and rings on the men's.
Speaker 8 (27:04):
You don't have that with the women.
Speaker 7 (27:06):
You don't have beam. Men don't compete on beam, right,
Like they're totally different sports essentially. I cannot believe that
she actually thinks this, So I guess the motive. The
motive is still in the up in the air.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
And by the way, let me say this because my
wife was a very good gymnast, and I think she
came in fifth in the state of Michigan as a senior.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
That's pretty good. And she has argued for years.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
If men did the women's contest, men would be way
better at them than the women are. And to your point, Riley,
most women can't even do a lot of the things
that the men do right, like the rings, for instance,
most women wouldn't have the upper body strength to be
able to do the things that men do.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
There.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
That's not an attack on women's gymnastics. It's just that
for people who don't do those things, men would be
able to do, for instance, the floor teen or the
vault or all these things the uneven bars better than
women do them because they're bigger, stronger, and faster. That
would translate even to gymnastics. I didn't know that. Again,
(28:11):
this is my wife analyzing it. Who does this stuff
at a high level or used to anyway, So she's
gotten attacked. I also think this is important. She waited
until her career was over. And you have talked about this.
Meghan Rapino did the same thing, the US women's soccer player.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
You have seen women retire.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
And then say, oh, I'm fine with men going into
women's sports. It's like they're yanking the ladder up. I
give credit. It's amazing. Jk Rowling. Have you ever met
jk Rowling? By the way, the Harry Potter author, I have.
Speaker 7 (28:46):
Never met jk Rowling. Of course, she lives overseas, but
we've been able to communicate back and forth on X
maybe some other platforms. She's incredible the way that she
had a racing to lose. Yes, most people think she
has nothing to lose because she's already.
Speaker 8 (29:02):
Made her career.
Speaker 7 (29:03):
She had everything to lose, yet she it didn't matter
to her. It still doesn't matter to her. Even she
came out with a pretty fiery tweet.
Speaker 8 (29:11):
Yes, I directed towards some own Biles.
Speaker 7 (29:14):
So she's to me a modern day civil rights heroin.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
I love her. And to your point, I read the
Harry Potter books back in the day. She's a billionaire.
She had no reason to need to. She's not an
athlete to speak out against the trans agenda. She just
saw it as fundamentally a lie and wasn't willing to
continue to tell a lie. And so when you see
Simone Biles, Megan Rapino, your athletic career is now over
(29:41):
and you are fighting for your sister or other girls
who might come after you, for instance, to be able
to compete only against women, isn't it uniquely awful and
indefensible for highly successful female athletes who made tens of
millions of dollars off of their athletic talents to suddenly
come out out in favor of men and women's sports
(30:01):
when they never are going to have to compete against
them themselves.
Speaker 7 (30:06):
It's the definition of pulling up the ladder behind you.
That's exactly what Megan Arpino has done. That's exactly what
Simone Biles has now done. It's why look, like I said,
I publicly called on It was like this little campaign
thing I did maybe a year a year and a
half two years ago at this point, where I publicly
called on current elite female athletes in various different sports,
(30:28):
Caitlin Clark being one of them too, to stand with
women and just simply say that.
Speaker 8 (30:35):
Men should not be in women's sports.
Speaker 7 (30:36):
I called on Serena Williams and if you can remember
she said on David Letterman in twenty thirteen. I mean
basically she already said it, but that was before I
guess it was bigot, inner transphobic to say it. But
not a single woman, not at least the ones that
I've called on, have chosen to respond in any manner.
I mean, it's been total silence. Crickets tried the same
(30:58):
thing with men on the other hand, but a totally
different response. I have male athletes, people like Bronk right,
who come out and say, yeah, men shouldn't be one
of sport's easy to say that, right. Not really in
my fight we had several who said, you know, this
is kind of up to the women's handle, but yeah,
this is crazy. I think it speaks to, of course,
the physical differences that are very obvious that people can.
Speaker 8 (31:20):
See and observe between men and women. But even just
this little campaign proved that men and women are.
Speaker 7 (31:26):
Inherently different in our characteristics and how we approach things,
and how women are more emotionally driven and apologetic and
empathetic and men are typically more assertive, and that was
made very clear in this campaign we did. But yeah,
Megan Raupino also important to mention she's not interested in men.
(31:48):
Therefore it is unlikely. I know, she can still adopt
or whatever options are out there for her and her wife,
Sue Bird, But Megan Repina's not gonna have kids, so
for her, she has nothing on the line right, Like,
she's done with her career.
Speaker 8 (31:59):
She's not gonna have a daughter of her own. She
doesn't care.
Speaker 7 (32:01):
It's totally an attempt to virtue signal to be seen
as this this inclusive figure for all, but in reality,
what you're doing is being exclusive to women.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
You have been so outspokenect to Riley Gaines, how much
do you let me mention this because I think people
might have missed it. But you had a man win
two different women's track titles in California. You had a
man win in Washington. The impetus for Simone Bile's reaction
here was a man was the star pitcher on a
(32:34):
Minnesota softball state champion team, and I think the initial
comment that she was responding to was you sharing the
fact that in Minnesota they had turned the comments off
on the team photo which showed the boy way taller
than everybody else on the on the team. How much
do you think the conversation has changed as oh, this
(32:57):
never happens when you got California, watch Washington, and Minnesota
all in the space of basically a week with state
championships being won by men pretending to be women.
Speaker 7 (33:08):
Yeah, well, important to mention just last week, as you said,
this happened in five states Minnesota, California, Washington, Oregon, and
Maine where boys soul state qualifying spots State championships or
podium spots from I mean deserving hard working girls, so
five blue states that you, I mean, the whole it
(33:31):
doesn't really happen argument. It can't stand at all when
it continues to happen. But that's the classic progression of
these issues is well, it doesn't happen, so we don't
have to worry about it. You know, you're looking for
a solution in search of a problem. That that's step one, right,
I think that.
Speaker 8 (33:46):
Was when I was competing. That was twenty twenty two.
Speaker 7 (33:48):
It never really happens. Then it slowly shifts to you, Okay,
well it is happening, but it's not happening a lot,
therefore we shouldn't be concerned about this. Then it progresses too, Okay,
well it's happening, and here's why. It's a good thing
that it's happening. And then I think the final stage
of it is it's happening. It's a good thing, and
you're going to accept it or else. Again, That's that's
(34:10):
the classic progression, not just with this issue, but a
lot of these fringe cultural issues. That's why now you're
seeing what's happening in La happen.
Speaker 8 (34:18):
It's it's the same.
Speaker 7 (34:18):
Progression, but now the whole it's not really happening thing.
It just doesn't stand. And to acknowledge how the public
has has shifted to this again, look at.
Speaker 8 (34:29):
Simon Bile's comments section.
Speaker 7 (34:31):
Go on Instagram, go on Twitter, go on on any
article that's being posted, go on TikTok, and she is
getting absolutely demolished, to the point where I almost feel
bad for her, like I really do have real these
comments and like, oh my gosh, Like I was prepared
when I got that notification Clay on my phone for that.
Speaker 8 (34:48):
Onslought of hatred to come towards.
Speaker 7 (34:50):
Me, Like I was like, oh gosh, like she's going
to send all of her little little you know, minion
people who follow her over to my page. That is
not at all what has happened. I hadn't read a
sing negative comment about myself following this this interaction. But
you compare that to twenty twenty two totally different response
from the public.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
Riley, keep up the fight.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
I appreciate you making time for us today and boy,
who knows what's next, but every day is a wild card,
and some own Biles stepped in it in a big way.
Love your response and thanks for coming on with us.
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Welcome in Monday edition Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. Appreciate
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a little bit of a unique fun for the next
two weeks. I'm gonna be in our iHeart studios by
and large here in Washington, d C. We're gonna be
bringing in a lot of congressman, a lot of Senators.
(00:26):
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I in the Oval Office. We're gonna head out to
the Pentagon. We're gonna be at Secretary of State. We're
gonna be all over the place in DC for the
next couple of weeks. So you may have no idea
who's gonna be on from one moment to the next,
but it should be really cool. We're obviously on here
in d C in Freedom one oh four point seven,
(00:46):
but we have awesome studios here. If you've been to
d C, just down from Ford's Theater, just down from
the Arena, right in the center of Northwest Washington, d C.
Just a couple of blocks away from the Capitol, just
a couple of blocks away from the White House. In fact,
this morning I went up to Capitol Hill because I
have got my oldest son doing an internship, which is
(01:08):
the primary reason why I said, hey.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
Let's go to DC for a couple of weeks.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
So he is up on Capitol Hill learning how the
government works, and Dad is in charge of him. Buck
is stuck somewhere on a tarmac, as many of you
are aware, at thunderstorm season, the worst time to be
trying to travel anywhere.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
He will be back with.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Me tomorrow here in our DC studios, and let me
give you a little bit of roadmap of where we're
headed before I dive into this chaos in Los Angeles
and why I think it's so significant. Marsha Blackburn and
Tommy Tuberville, two senators, are going to be with us
in studio here in the third hour, so you can
put that on the horizon. We will also be joined
by Riley Gaines here at the bottom of the hour.
(01:50):
She works at OutKick alongside of me. She is fabulous
and out of nowhere. Olympic gymnast Simone Biles ripped her
for being too outspoken on keeping men out of women's sports,
and so Riley is going to respond here on the
show to that, So that will be at the bottom
(02:11):
of the hour. You guys can be prepared for that.
But I wanted to say, first of all, hope you
guys had fabulous weekends and we are going to have
like you can tell as I just laid out a
super pac show here on the Monday edition of the program.
But many of you, alongside of certainly me, we're watching
last night as Unfortunately, we had what felt like an
(02:34):
echo of the summer of twenty twenty emerging in Los Angeles.
We had police cruisers on fire. We had rocks and
other projectiles being hurled at police officers. We had five
different Waymo vehicles. You may remember I came on talking
about how much I loved riding in these autonomous vehicles
(02:56):
waymos that have taken over much of the travel in
San Francisco, in La Phoenix. I think a lot of
you out there would be riding in them as well.
They're spreading across the country very quickly. I had my
oldest son with me in San Francisco. He was super
excited to ride in one. I loved it. They were
on fire, in Los Angeles and the cars were being graffited.
(03:18):
People were waving the flags of Mexico and other countries
as they rioted against ICE. And here's what I think
is going on. I think if you went back and
maybe we'll talk about this with President Trump Thursday in
the Oval Office, I think one of the things that
Trump would say that he learned in his first term
in office was when violent protests begin, you have to nip.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
Them in the bud immediately.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
You cannot allow them to grow and spread and then
fester across the entire nation. And if you remember, in
the summer of twenty twenty, Tim Walls was the governor
of Minnesota responding to George Floyd. There is one hundred
percent should be one hundred percent openness for protest in
the United States. We should not ever allow violent protest.
(04:05):
And if you violently protest, whether you're a Democrat, Republican, independent,
whether you're a citizen or a non citizen, you should
be arrested and prosecuted, I think to the full extent
of law. And we've been pretty consistent about that.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
Now.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
That doesn't mean that you, as we saw in January sixth,
should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law,
and everybody else who was involved in the BLM protest
when they were trying to basically knock the fences down
at the White House, if you remember that well, when
they were attacking police like crazy. You should have no
charges brought based on the politics there, and every charge
(04:40):
brought based on the politics of January sixth. But if
you are going to charge everyone, regardless of political backgrounds,
to the utmost stability for violence, I'm in favor of it.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
I've been in favor of.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
It my entire life, while also being one hundred percent
a First Amendment guy. I'm banned from CNN for as
many if you remember, for saying the only two things
that have never let me down are the First Amendment
and boobs in a eight year old viral clip that
continues to be one of the most popular clips. Every
few months it's circulating again, and every new generation is
(05:13):
becoming aware of it in a positive way.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
By the way.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
They like it even more the younger kids do, and
I think that's because younger men in particular are over
the BS. So I think what Trump learned from the
first administration is you have to stop these protests and
not allow them to spiral and grow, particularly because this
is not a real protest, it's astro turfed. They bring
(05:39):
in professional protesters who want to riot, who want to frankly,
take away from whatever honest, peaceful protest is trying to
be made, and they turn many parts of American cities
into violent cesspools. They burn down buildings, they attack cars,
they attack police. And so this is what we started
(06:01):
to see happen in Los Angeles last night. And before
I start playing some of the clips from what happened
last night, one bit of positivity. I have not heard
it talked about very much, but murder rates in this
country are collapsing all over the country because Trump has
committed to giving police the ability to execute from a
(06:26):
law and order perspective. And I'm not hearing a lot
of people talk about it. And yes, murder rates do
go up in the summer, Frankly, I think it's because
kids are out of school, people have more time. But
all over the country we are seeing twenty twenty five
crime collapse. In fact, we could have potentially the lowest
(06:48):
murder rate in the US ever recorded based on how
much murder rates are collapsing in this country again. Trump
took office, law order has been on the upswing, and
we are seeing massive declines in murder rates all over
the country. And it's not getting a lot of attention.
(07:10):
But let me just hit you with this. Through May
of twenty twenty five from last year, just from last year,
murder rates in New York City down twenty seven percent.
In murder rates in Chicago down twenty four percent. Murder
rates in Saint Louis down thirty five percent, Denver sixty
(07:31):
three percent decline, Baltimore thirty two percent decline, Cleveland thirty
seven percent decline, New Orleans thirty one percent decline. It
doesn't matter what the blue city is. A little bit
of red state law and order being applied makes everybody safer.
It's not getting a lot of attention, but this is
(07:53):
an incredible success story. And so what Trump and his
team saw is they said, we're not going to allow
the chaos that happened in twenty twenty to take over
the country again. And sadly, the people who ended up
losing the most were the people who had to deal
with the rates of violence overwhelmingly black and brown in
(08:14):
this country. As the BLM protest led to a decline
in law and order. So Trump says, hey, I'm going
to bring in the National Guard. We're going to provide
even more protection than we did in twenty twenty.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
We're not going to.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
Allow history to repeat itself. Now, this is LA's police chief,
Jim McDonell. This is cut six last night, saying it's
out of control what we are seeing, the violence.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
This is cut six.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
The National Guard was federalized, so they're working for the
US Army, not for the California State National Guard.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
Do we need them? Do we need them?
Speaker 3 (08:54):
Well, looking at it tonight, you know this thing has
gotten out of control.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
What they're think?
Speaker 3 (09:00):
Before I could answer that, I'd have to know more
about what their capabilities are, what their role is intended
to be to be able to make that determination.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
Okay, when the police chief says it's out of control,
that's a sign that probably he wants the National Guard
in that he doesn't feel like he has enough resources.
But I bet that this guy doesn't want to step
on Gavin Newsom, governor of California, and Karen Bass, the
mayor of LA, who are doing awful jobs. And here
(09:31):
is Tom Homan saying, protest all you want, but if
you touch law enforcement, it's a crime.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
Cut eight.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
For those protests that cross the line. I've said many
times you can protest, you get your first point of rights,
but when you cross that line, you put hands on
my soft shirt or you destroy property, I say that
you're a peed law enforcement or you're normally heart reconsuming
igal Halian, that's a crime, and that the compministration is
not what tolerant you cross that line. We want to
see prose excute through partner justice.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Police chief says violence out of control. He also says
that you just heard Tom Holman saying we're not going
to allow this to happen. Here is Tom Holman saying
the violence is escalating, getting worse, more violent.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
Cut seven to the people who are not happy with
the fact that ICE is in the in the community
doing what.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
ICE does you know?
Speaker 3 (10:20):
It's I respect ICE for being a fellow law enforcement agency.
They have their mission, they have their what they have
to do. We don't engage in that activity, but again
we can't preclude them from doing that.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
They have every right to do that. This violence that.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
I've seen is disgusting, it's escalated. Now since the beginning
of this incident. What we saw the first night was bad.
What we've seen subsequent to that is getting increasingly worse
and more violent. Tonight we had individuals out there shooting
commercial grade fireworks at our officers.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
That can kill you.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
Okay, Trump says, look, they spit, we hit this cut one.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
Listen, I have a little statement. They say, they spin,
we hit. I told them nobody's gonna spit on our
police officers. Nobody's gonna spit on our military. Okay.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
So that is the background. Now you watch the images yourself.
There are cars burning, police cars burning. They are being
attacked police officers. Listen to what you heard if you
were on ABC News in La.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
This is Mark Brown. He wants you to know.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
Look, this is just a lot of people who want
to have fun watching cars burn. It's not a riot.
This is what this dude really said on ABC News.
Listen to cut four.
Speaker 5 (11:46):
Large group of people. It could turn very volatile if
you move law enforcement in there and the wrong way
and turn what is just a bunch of people having
fun watching cars burn into a massive confrontation and altercation
between officers and demonstrators.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Excuse me a bunch of people having fun watching cars burn.
They're not pulling out skewers and making smores in the
backyard with the family. That's having fun watching a fire burn.
This is attacking people all over the city. Do you
think those cops were, like, man, they're just having fun
watching the cars burn while molotov cocktails are raining down
(12:26):
on them from the overpass, which is what I saw
happening last night. Imagine you're watching ABC News. How does
that dude have a job. They're just having There's a
bunch of people having fun watching cars burn. Yeah, that's
kind of yeah, that's kind of what a riot is.
And also on CNN, Brian Stelter humpting himself, he wanted
(12:46):
you to know.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
Most of La is fine. This is cut three of it.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
Let me just say this too, By the way, when
la was burning, it wasn't the entire city. Do you
think people would have been happy if you come on
and you say, hey, yeah, there's lots of people losing
their homes, they're burning down. Most of the city's not
getting hit. I live in Tornado Alley and a large
extent in Nashville. Tornadoes come through, they wipe out people's homes.
Do you think if I came on the day after
(13:13):
a tornado and I was like, Hey, just so, y'all know,
most of the city didn't get hit by the tornado,
so we don't really need to consider it a major issue.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
Of course not. But this was.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
Stelter on CNN saying, hey, it's really pretty isolated.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
The riots cut three.
Speaker 6 (13:32):
On one level, protests are always about images, about spectacle.
You might even say it's about theater, and we are
seeing that play out in La and I think it's
valuable to have that perspective as we see some of
these pictures, especially as we zoom out, and we recognize
that the unrest is isolated, is not overtaking the entire
city of La La is home to millions of people.
(13:52):
Most of them are having a normal day here on Sunday.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
Oh yeah, the tornado.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
It just killed some people. Most people are still that hurricane. Boy,
you know, it didn't hit.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
Most of Florida. It just hit part of Florida.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
I mean, this is crazy, but that is what they
are trying to do to minimize Again, I think the
big story here is Trump one point zero and everybody
surrounding him saw what happened in the summer of riots
that led to I believe thousands of additional murders because
suddenly police couldn't do their job, and they are saying,
we're not gonna let the nation's second largest city, Los Angeles,
(14:25):
spiral out of control. By the way, a lot of
you in La listening to us. Now we have a
huge audience. You can weigh in and let us know
what you're seeing and what you think of the response
so far. And isn't it always interesting? Isn't always interesting
how the rioters, the looters and the protesters they never
do this when it's cold, Like they're never willing to
(14:45):
be out in the streets when it's twenty five degrees. Now,
I know LA's warm all the time, but it isn't
it amazing that they wait till the weather's perfect. It
has to be the summer. It has to be. When
it's not, you're not gonna be out in the streets shivering.
And and it's amazing they never really seem to hit
the bookstores, and they never really seem to do it
early in the morning. It's kind of interesting how it
(15:07):
all happens late at night, isn't it? And how it's
only like the best buy and the foot locker that
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Speaker 7 (17:41):
I'll tell you I was disgusted.
Speaker 6 (17:44):
I stayed up last night.
Speaker 7 (17:45):
I live in Calabasis, but I work all over in
the valley in Malibu, and tomorrow I have to go
to UCLA and do rounds. It is pathetic. You see
these people at all the news stations out here. They
call it prote and protesting and peaceful.
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Riley Gain's gonna join us. President Trump for has weighed
in on LA and the riots as we opened the show,
talking about we made a great decision sending in the
National Guard to deal with the violent instigated riots in California.
If we had not done so, Los Angeles would have
been completely obliterated. The very incompetent governor quotation marks Gavin
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Newsom and mayor quotation marks Karen Bass should be saying
thank you, President Trump, you are so wonderful. We would
be nothing without you, sir. Instead, they choose to lie
to the people of California and America by saying we
weren't needed and that these were just quote, peaceful protests.
Just one luck at the pictures and videos of the
violence and destruction tells you all you have to know.
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We will always do what is needed to keep our
citizens safe so we can together make America great again.
A woman who was trying to simply make women's sports
great again by doing something crazy and saying only women
should be able to play in women's sports. My friend
Riley Gaines joins us now and we're texting quite a
(20:00):
bit over the weekend. But full disclosure, I was out
to dinner with my family. I had my mother in law,
my brother in law, and you sent me the link
and I thought.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
This can't be real.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
There's no way that Olympic gymnast Simone Biles out of
nowhere just decided to rip you for simply saying, hey,
there shouldn't be a male pitcher winning a Minnesota softball
women's championship state title. And I still have in disbelief
that this happened. What was your reaction when you first
(20:32):
saw this when it popped up on your social media feeds.
Speaker 7 (20:35):
Well, Clay, you were the very first person I sent
it to. I saw it pretty immediately, which is pretty rare.
I have my notifications off on X right, like things
don't typically pop up. But I think it bypasses.
Speaker 8 (20:47):
If someone mentions you.
Speaker 7 (20:48):
Or retweets or quotes you and they have a certain
number of followers, and so I got this notification that
said Simone Biles has tagged you in a tweet. I was.
I was honestly like stars in that moment.
Speaker 8 (21:01):
I couldn't believe it.
Speaker 7 (21:02):
This is a woman I publicly called on prior to this,
maybe a year or two ago, to stand with women,
not me personally, but to stand with the movement of
protecting women and girls in sports. So I click on
it and Clay was. It took me a minute. I
had to go back and forth to the profile several
times and make sure this was not a fake account.
But no, lo and behold, this was the real Simone
(21:25):
Biles calling me a bully for defending women and girls
in sports. Even still, just like you said, I'm in
total disbelief that in the year twenty twenty five, this
is the stance that Simone Biles has chosen to take.
I think the response would have been a lot different
if this was in twenty twenty, twenty twenty one, maybe
(21:48):
even twenty twenty two. But to say this now, I
just can't, for the life of me, understand why she
would do this.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
So the attack was crazy on that, But then she
also came after you over your body, which is like,
first of all, every all athletes have, particularly as you
become Olympic champions, sometimes bodies that are different, right, Like
Michael Phelps does not look like a normal human. It's
(22:16):
one reason why he's such an incredible swimmer. Simone Biles
is not a quote normal sized human. It's one reason
why she can throw her body all over the place
in a women's gymnastics And so she's actually done body
positivity ads to try to make women and I think
boys too, more comfortable with their bodies. And so the
(22:38):
first thought when she attacked you that I had was
Riley's like the most average and I don't mean this
in a negative way, but you're actually the most average
sized girl out there, right, So my first thought was,
I mean, there's anything wrong with like a six foot
four woman or whatever you're And then I love you
made a video because my first thought was like, Riley's
not even abnormally sized, but she was trying to ridicule you,
(23:02):
and she did it claiming.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
That you are male size. So that is even maybe
crazier than the first week she said.
Speaker 7 (23:09):
It is by far crazier for a couple of reasons.
Number one, because when she said this, right like, fully
someone your own size, which would ironically be a man.
The first thing I thought of was this is this
is so hilarious because she's understanding and recognizing that men
and women are physically, biologically categorically different, right Like, she
just admitted that in this sease that I think was
(23:31):
meant to be an insult. But then, of course number two, yeah,
to come from my body. First of all, I'm five
foot five, I mean relatively standard. I think anyone would
be a giant next to someone who's like four foot eight.
Right What I think Simone Biles is, yeah, I'm so
standard sized. I'm like one hundred and thirty one hundred
and thirty five pounds. So it took me a while
(23:52):
to even make sense of this. I'm like, is she
calling me tall? Is she saying I'm muscular? Is she
saying I'm like? I didn't even plate in my brain
for a little bit. But I will tell you the
response that she has received from this. I mean it's
it's been the number one trending thing on Twitter prior
to the LA riots, of course, which is just horrific
(24:12):
and an utter shame that this is happening in our country.
It was a number one trending thing on Twitter for
for I mean two days straight, even on TikTok. Every
TikTok video that pops up on my for you page
is someone coming for Simone Biles for coming for me
and for my body. Again, a woman who has has
historically made a platform a larger platform for herself outside
(24:34):
of her athletic success for I mean, praising women and
their muscular bodies and the purpose that they can serve.
But nonetheless she has shown her true colors here.
Speaker 8 (24:44):
I believe.
Speaker 7 (24:45):
Well.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
I love that you posted a video with your husband Louis,
who is also awesome and was a swimmer at the
University of Kentucky where he actually measured you and your
slock feet. I'm presuming that was in your in the
front room of your home, which is where really really funny.
But it also, just to me epitomizes the crazy hypocrisy
(25:06):
of her to your point, yes, acknowledging bully someone on
your own size. Hey, there is a difference between men
and women, because that's oftentimes said, and so she's acknowledging
that even while she's trying.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
To do it. So what is the motivation here?
Speaker 2 (25:21):
I'm sure in some measure you set back and you're like, yes,
she has been thankfully obliterated by people from across the
athletic spectrum for what she did, Why did she do it?
Speaker 1 (25:35):
Where did this come from?
Speaker 7 (25:37):
This is what I've been trying to figure out. I've
seen a couple of different series, and I've actually had
several Team USA gymnasts, both men and women, actually tons
of Olympians across the board, all kinds of different sports.
So every shout I will disclose any names, but several
have told me privately that this was an attempt to
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put her name in the spotlight prior to a Netflix
docu series that is to come out called Simone. I
think it's called Simone Rising or something of that nature,
which what a what a hilarious thing. Simone Bile's allegedly
feeling like she needs to get back into the spotlight,
and she does it by by criticizing me insane, So
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that number one could potentially be a possibility. Some people
are saying they don't think this was really her. This
was a management company or someone who runs her her
social media who posted this. Some people are.
Speaker 8 (26:32):
Saying she's been paid to post this.
Speaker 7 (26:34):
That now posted receipts of her linked with a certain
like activist based organization that's in the forty fifty million
dollars and she's been tied to them.
Speaker 8 (26:44):
So I have no idea.
Speaker 7 (26:46):
I cannot again, I just can't, and with a sound mind,
think she did this because she actually believes it being
an elite gymnast.
Speaker 8 (26:57):
I mean, you look at men's and women's gymnastics.
Speaker 7 (26:59):
They're not even the same sport essentially, Like you have
palm of horse and rings on the men's.
Speaker 8 (27:04):
You don't have that with the women.
Speaker 7 (27:06):
You don't have beam. Men don't compete on beam, right,
Like they're totally different sports essentially. I cannot believe that
she actually thinks this, So I guess the motive. The
motive is still in the up in the air.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
And by the way, let me say this because my
wife was a very good gymnast, and I think she
came in fifth in the state of Michigan as a senior.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
That's pretty good. And she has argued for years.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
If men did the women's contest, men would be way
better at them than the women are. And to your point, Riley,
most women can't even do a lot of the things
that the men do right, like the rings, for instance,
most women wouldn't have the upper body strength to be
able to do the things that men do.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
There.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
That's not an attack on women's gymnastics. It's just that
for people who don't do those things, men would be
able to do, for instance, the floor teen or the
vault or all these things the uneven bars better than
women do them because they're bigger, stronger, and faster. That
would translate even to gymnastics. I didn't know that. Again,
(28:11):
this is my wife analyzing it. Who does this stuff
at a high level or used to anyway, So she's
gotten attacked. I also think this is important. She waited
until her career was over. And you have talked about this.
Meghan Rapino did the same thing, the US women's soccer player.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
You have seen women retire.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
And then say, oh, I'm fine with men going into
women's sports. It's like they're yanking the ladder up. I
give credit. It's amazing. Jk Rowling. Have you ever met
jk Rowling? By the way, the Harry Potter author, I have.
Speaker 7 (28:46):
Never met jk Rowling. Of course, she lives overseas, but
we've been able to communicate back and forth on X
maybe some other platforms. She's incredible the way that she
had a racing to lose. Yes, most people think she
has nothing to lose because she's already.
Speaker 8 (29:02):
Made her career.
Speaker 7 (29:03):
She had everything to lose, yet she it didn't matter
to her. It still doesn't matter to her. Even she
came out with a pretty fiery tweet.
Speaker 8 (29:11):
Yes, I directed towards some own Biles.
Speaker 7 (29:14):
So she's to me a modern day civil rights heroin.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
I love her. And to your point, I read the
Harry Potter books back in the day. She's a billionaire.
She had no reason to need to. She's not an
athlete to speak out against the trans agenda. She just
saw it as fundamentally a lie and wasn't willing to
continue to tell a lie. And so when you see
Simone Biles, Megan Rapino, your athletic career is now over
(29:41):
and you are fighting for your sister or other girls
who might come after you, for instance, to be able
to compete only against women, isn't it uniquely awful and
indefensible for highly successful female athletes who made tens of
millions of dollars off of their athletic talents to suddenly
come out out in favor of men and women's sports
(30:01):
when they never are going to have to compete against
them themselves.
Speaker 7 (30:06):
It's the definition of pulling up the ladder behind you.
That's exactly what Megan Arpino has done. That's exactly what
Simone Biles has now done. It's why look, like I said,
I publicly called on It was like this little campaign
thing I did maybe a year a year and a
half two years ago at this point, where I publicly
called on current elite female athletes in various different sports,
(30:28):
Caitlin Clark being one of them too, to stand with
women and just simply say that.
Speaker 8 (30:35):
Men should not be in women's sports.
Speaker 7 (30:36):
I called on Serena Williams and if you can remember
she said on David Letterman in twenty thirteen. I mean
basically she already said it, but that was before I
guess it was bigot, inner transphobic to say it. But
not a single woman, not at least the ones that
I've called on, have chosen to respond in any manner.
I mean, it's been total silence. Crickets tried the same
(30:58):
thing with men on the other hand, but a totally
different response. I have male athletes, people like Bronk right,
who come out and say, yeah, men shouldn't be one
of sport's easy to say that, right. Not really in
my fight we had several who said, you know, this
is kind of up to the women's handle, but yeah,
this is crazy. I think it speaks to, of course,
the physical differences that are very obvious that people can.
Speaker 8 (31:20):
See and observe between men and women. But even just
this little campaign proved that men and women are.
Speaker 7 (31:26):
Inherently different in our characteristics and how we approach things,
and how women are more emotionally driven and apologetic and
empathetic and men are typically more assertive, and that was
made very clear in this campaign we did. But yeah,
Megan Raupino also important to mention she's not interested in men.
(31:48):
Therefore it is unlikely. I know, she can still adopt
or whatever options are out there for her and her wife,
Sue Bird, But Megan Repina's not gonna have kids, so
for her, she has nothing on the line right, Like,
she's done with her career.
Speaker 8 (31:59):
She's not gonna have a daughter of her own. She
doesn't care.
Speaker 7 (32:01):
It's totally an attempt to virtue signal to be seen
as this this inclusive figure for all, but in reality,
what you're doing is being exclusive to women.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
You have been so outspokenect to Riley Gaines, how much
do you let me mention this because I think people
might have missed it. But you had a man win
two different women's track titles in California. You had a
man win in Washington. The impetus for Simone Bile's reaction
here was a man was the star pitcher on a
(32:34):
Minnesota softball state champion team, and I think the initial
comment that she was responding to was you sharing the
fact that in Minnesota they had turned the comments off
on the team photo which showed the boy way taller
than everybody else on the on the team. How much
do you think the conversation has changed as oh, this
(32:57):
never happens when you got California, watch Washington, and Minnesota
all in the space of basically a week with state
championships being won by men pretending to be women.
Speaker 7 (33:08):
Yeah, well, important to mention just last week, as you said,
this happened in five states Minnesota, California, Washington, Oregon, and
Maine where boys soul state qualifying spots State championships or
podium spots from I mean deserving hard working girls, so
five blue states that you, I mean, the whole it
(33:31):
doesn't really happen argument. It can't stand at all when
it continues to happen. But that's the classic progression of
these issues is well, it doesn't happen, so we don't
have to worry about it. You know, you're looking for
a solution in search of a problem. That that's step one, right,
I think that.
Speaker 8 (33:46):
Was when I was competing. That was twenty twenty two.
Speaker 7 (33:48):
It never really happens. Then it slowly shifts to you, Okay,
well it is happening, but it's not happening a lot,
therefore we shouldn't be concerned about this. Then it progresses too, Okay,
well it's happening, and here's why. It's a good thing
that it's happening. And then I think the final stage
of it is it's happening. It's a good thing, and
you're going to accept it or else. Again, That's that's
(34:10):
the classic progression, not just with this issue, but a
lot of these fringe cultural issues. That's why now you're
seeing what's happening in La happen.
Speaker 8 (34:18):
It's it's the same.
Speaker 7 (34:18):
Progression, but now the whole it's not really happening thing.
It just doesn't stand. And to acknowledge how the public
has has shifted to this again, look at.
Speaker 8 (34:29):
Simon Bile's comments section.
Speaker 7 (34:31):
Go on Instagram, go on Twitter, go on on any
article that's being posted, go on TikTok, and she is
getting absolutely demolished, to the point where I almost feel
bad for her, like I really do have real these
comments and like, oh my gosh, Like I was prepared
when I got that notification Clay on my phone for that.
Speaker 8 (34:48):
Onslought of hatred to come towards.
Speaker 7 (34:50):
Me, Like I was like, oh gosh, like she's going
to send all of her little little you know, minion
people who follow her over to my page. That is
not at all what has happened. I hadn't read a
sing negative comment about myself following this this interaction. But
you compare that to twenty twenty two totally different response
from the public.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
Riley, keep up the fight.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
I appreciate you making time for us today and boy,
who knows what's next, but every day is a wild card,
and some own Biles stepped in it in a big way.
Love your response and thanks for coming on with us.
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