April 24, 2025 • 36 mins
Hour 1 of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show kicks off with Clay Travis broadcasting live from a minor league baseball stadium in Knoxville, Tennessee, amidst the humorous backdrop of leaf blowers. The hosts dive into the NFL Draft taking place in Green Bay, Wisconsin, highlighting its significance and the large audience it attracts. They discuss the Supreme Court case involving controversial books being read to young children in Montgomery County schools, emphasizing the concerns of parents and the implications of gender ideology in education. The conversation touches on the Trump administration's stance on federal funding and university independence, featuring insights from Dr. Larry Arnn of Hillsdale College.
Clay and Buck also address the feedback from parents regarding the inappropriate content in children's books and the arrogance of Supreme Court Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson's comments on school choice. They explore the broader impact of left-wing indoctrination in schools and the importance of conservative values in education. The hosts praise Dolly Parton's Imagination Library for its positive influence on children's reading habits.
The show includes a lighthearted discussion about the historical role of flute and fife players in the Civil War, adding a humorous touch to the serious topics covered. The hour concludes with Clay's critique of Michelle Obama, labeling her as the most overrated person in America, and a spirited debate on her refusal to attend Jimmy Carter's funeral.
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Episode Transcript
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome. In Thursday edition Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show, I
am live at a minor league baseball stadium in Knoxville, Tennessee. Buck,
there is no minor league baseball game going on. There
would seem to be no reason whatsoever why three different
guys with leaf blowers would need to be on a
field with zero leaves. But as I set down to
(00:23):
begin this broadcast, my eternal nemesis people with leaf blowers
are maybe they're doing this just because they knew I
was gonna be broadcasting here. There are three different guys
with leaf blowers walking around out on the field and
there are no leaves, and they're all blasting their leaf
blowers as loud as they possibly can. So if you
hear that in the background, hopefully at some point there
(00:44):
gasoline will run out in their leaf blowers. But I'm
excited to be here. I'm gonna be doing a speech
right after. It's gonna be fun. Obviously, Knoxville is an
awesome place. We've got a big audience all over the place,
but a lot of people up here are fans, and
so we're having a good time. Buck. Today, huge numbers
of our audience will be watching something that you had
(01:04):
no idea was going on until I'm about to say it.
Right now, the NFL Draft in Green Bay, Wisconsin is underway.
I will be watching this tonight along with probably twenty
million or so other people, many of whom are listening
to us right now. I believe Green Bay is one
of our newest affiliates, if I'm not mistaken. So we
appreciate all of you up there in Cheddarland. We were
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already very popular in the state of Wisconsin, and we've
had a lot of awesome friends that we've made in
that state over the past several years. But that should
be an awesome scene. Now, a bunch of different stories
that are out there. Let me give you a little
bit of a roadmap of where we're headed. Dana Perino,
who for my money, may be the nicest person in
all of media. That is the standard that I think
(01:50):
she might well be able to win. It's a tough standard.
There are a lot of super nice people, but Dana Perino,
who many of you watch at America's newsroom every day
on Fox News with Bill Himmer, will be on with
us at one and then I think this is going
to be incredible. I'm super excited for this. Doctor Larry
arn the president of Hillsdale College. They had a fabulous
interview with him in the Saturday Sunday edition, the weekend
(02:14):
edition of the Wall Street Journal. And there's been so
much discussion about Harvard suing the Trump administration over what
the Trump administration is focused on there, and they actually
have a really good argument that is Hillsdale and Larry
are due. They said, Hey, the reason we don't take
federal dollars is because we want complete independence. When you
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take taxpayer money, you are giving up complete independence. Why
can't Harvard, with a fifty three billion dollar endowment just
say thanks, but no thanks US federal government. We're concerned
about our ability to have complete freedom when it comes
to teaching as we see fit and running the university
as we see fit. Well, the President is quite clear
when you are allowing at federal tax dollars to be used,
(02:59):
you don't get that complete freedom. We'll dive into that
with him. I think you guys are really going to
enjoy it. But Buck, yesterday, I got a lot of
feedback from moms and dads out there who were listening
to us talk about the books that were being read
in Montgomery County schools, and honestly, even I was, I
knew that there were like kind of edgy books that
(03:20):
were being pushed. I went back after we talked yesterday,
book Buck and looked at these books even more. The
fact that this has gone all the way to the
Supreme Court, that parents would be saying, hey, we need
to object to what are being read to our five
year olds and our six year olds at story time
is I think emblematic of the country just losing its way.
(03:43):
And not only that, I went back and read more
and studied on the Supreme Court discussion surrounding this case,
and I couldn't stop focusing Buck on Katanji Brown Jackson
and the arrogance. We may end up with a couple
of cuts from her, the questions that she asked she
her defense of these books being read to five year
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olds that tell you, hey, if you believe you're a
boy and you're a girl, you're right and your parents
should treat you that way. And sometimes we end up
in situations where people get the gender wrong, meaning when
you are born, a doctor in the nursing room, in
the delivery room is unclear of whether you're a boy,
or a girl. This is what's being read to them.
(04:26):
Kataji Brown Jackson said, well, if you don't like it,
you should just switch schools. This was her actual take.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Listen to this, I guess I'm struggling to see how
it burdens a parent's religious exercise. If the school teaches
something that the parent disagrees with, you have a choice.
You don't have to send your kid to that school.
You can put them in another situation.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
This is one of the most arrogant things I have seen, argued.
I would bet ninety five percent of the people that
are listening to us right now don't have great options
when it comes to just pulling your kid out of
your local public school. And so for her defense of
this buck to be well, if you don't like it,
(05:12):
you should just go to a new school. First of all,
they oppose school choice by and large. But second, it's
one of the most arrogant arguments I have heard, that
you should just change your public school.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
Of course, and what you see here is the continuation
of this argument from the left that they aren't doing
indoctrination and in a sense, a secular religious training with
all this transgender delusional nonsense.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
Right.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
They've managed to try to kick God and faith out
of public schools and replace it with this Marxist credo
of insanity. And this is why they push the stuff
that they do as hard as they do. This is
the big question I think, Clay, we kept returning to yesterday.
Why is this so important to them? It's clearly very important,
(06:07):
so much so that they are willing to look at parents, well,
sometimes look at parents in the eyes and say, yes,
your kid needs to learn that doctors get the gender
wrong at birth, like we think your kids need to
be read that in schools. It is completely nuts. But
it also goes to one of the great things I
think about the Trump administration right now and one of
(06:28):
the reasons why the left hates it so much. And
the more they despise either a person or a policy,
the more important I think we all recognize it to be.
And that is, Clay, the forever regime, which is what
the Democrats had set up for really, certainly the last
twenty years or so, the forever regime of the deep state,
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people within the federal bureaucracy who are pushing in left
wing agenda. The universities which have become completely political monocultures
of left wing madness, media. All these things together allow
them to assert control at different levels of society even
if they lose an election. Trump is going after that,
(07:11):
and I think it's critical that we see that for
what it is. He is going into the kitchen of
the enemy and saying you don't get to just cook
whatever you want and call the shots anymore. And that's
really shaking them up. That's beyond just what is Congress
going to do? What executive orders are out there. So
I think that we're seeing, finally after many years of saying,
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when are we going to take on the universities, When
are we going to start to enforce civil rights law
in a way that is advantage, let's just be honest,
advantaging conservative and Republican and right wing points of view.
This has been a long time coming, and I think
it's fantastic. And I think that the fact that they're
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still trying to push this transgender nonsense on the kids
in school just shows you how completely bonkers they are,
unrepentantly nuts. What I said yesterday, Clais, I sorry, I
know I'm ranty, hear, but what I said yesterday, if
they could force your kids to learn this stuff or
else they would do so and we all know it,
meaning that they would mandate this stuff if they could
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get away with it.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
I'm talking nationwide, not just in one school district. Have
you ever been to a elementary school in read books
to kids? New in the dad game? So it would
not surprise me if you haven't.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
I volunteered at an underserved DC public school in a
program a few times too. But I would think they
were like ninth graders.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
I would hopefully you weren't reading books to them, but
which would be very funny.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
But so I have help. I was helping me. It
was like a homework help program. But I was just
trying to think of this.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
Yeah, I have been to multiple schools over the years,
and I bet a lot of you with young kids,
grandparents maybe as well, have been and gotten to sit
in front of the kids and read books. And my
recollection is that when I've done it, the teacher and
the teachers have all been fantastic, have said, hey, we've
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got two or three books that you can choose from.
If I brought a book like that in, if they
had said, hey, Clay, you know you're reading for kindergarteners today.
You can pick any book. I would see that as
a direct attack in some way on the school district
and on the kids. If I walked in with those
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books that we were talking about yesterday and tried to
sit down and read it, not only would it be
inappropriate wildly, but it would actually to me be an
assault on the school itself and on those kids, because
there are ages. And this is why I think it's
a wild book. This case brings together Muslim, Jewish and
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Christian parents who said this is unacceptable. And I think
everybody out there five six, seven year old kids, eight
year old, what are you doing teaching gender ideology? To them?
It's actually sinister and it's nasty, and to me, it's diabolical.
I mean, this is close to evil. And what you see.
(10:12):
What you see is that they, and this has always
been true of.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
A lot of this gender cult stuff, they want as
many people as possible to be subjected to it and
involved in it, because then you've been a part of
the process. This is one of the things that you
saw also with COVID. I might just add they wanted
you to police your neighbors. They wanted you to be
shouting at people the mask up. They wanted you to
be one of the useful idiots in that process, because
(10:35):
then you're invested in the perpetuation of that system. Any adult,
any teacher, anyone who shows up at one of these
meetings in defense of this stuff is going to be
very hard, and especially if it's a parent who has
pushed for this for their children, very hard to get
them to see the light and understand how bad this
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is down the line. So they want to push it
as fast as they can, as aggressively as they can, because.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
It's building the roster, if you will.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
It's like forcing recruits onto their side, which is obviously
at the heart of what they're doing with these kids
as well. But it is essentially a secular I mean,
a secular religion of sorts is what they are pushing.
I mean, here's another experiment. You could go on Clay.
What if you said, okay, fun, we're you know, I'm
okay with my school district greeting this stuff. But also
we're gonna have some conservative children's books in there that
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say that boys are boys and girls are girls, and
people that have, you know, problems in their head should
go see adults and speak to them about it and
not expect everybody to cater to them. Would that be okay?
I don't think so.
Speaker 4 (11:40):
No.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
And look, there are so many amazing kids books that
you can chew. It's not as if there aren't six
hundred one thousand Newberry I think is the award winning
children's books. It's actually I would imagine for a lot
of you who have been elementary school kids, tough, I
mean teacher tough to pick.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
What if I ask you right now, what what are
books that you just have a you have fond memory
of from you. I'm talking your childhood too. I'm talking
third I remember, I remember all the way back to
the very Hungry Caterpillar. Some of you probably remember that
one classic James and the Giant Peach, where the wild
things are, the wind in the willows, the hobbit. I mean,
(12:22):
you go back, you think about that, Clay like, I mean,
you could do the same thing, right. You go back,
you think, oh, well, you're talking about being what an
eight year old? So we're going back almost almost uh
what forty you know, thirty forty years and you remember
those books. That's the kind of influence they had on
your thinking at that time in those formative years. The
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Communists know this. This is their little this is their
little red book of gender madness that they're making teachers
and kids hold up and pledge allegiance to in these schools.
And that's why Catanji Brown Jackson, she'll make any argument
to keep this stuff, any argument.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
I want to say one positive thing. I mentioned this yesterday,
and I'm not sure how many of you are familiar
with it. One of the greatest things that I've ever
seen a celebrity do. Dolly Parton has something called the
Dolly Parton Imagination Library. I'm not sure if it's only
available to kids in Tennessee right now, but they will
send your kids free books, you know, little engine that could.
(13:29):
We were signed up for this for our kids and
they were so excited to do it. Dolly Parton did
it Buck because she grew up in rural East Tennessee
and didn't have access to kids' books. I mean, they're fabulous.
She's given Buck two hundred and seventy seven million books
to kids to be able to experience reading that otherwise
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might not that their parents could read for them.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
As we remember, this is why Dolly Parton is the
Queen Elizabeth of the Smoky Mountains. She is amazing buck
and I want to say something positive associated with this,
So I think it's available all over the United States
imaginationlibrary dot com. If you're a kid, if you've got grandkids,
if you've got kids, or if you want to donate.
(14:15):
I don't know anybody yet Imagination Library. I'm just telling
you that they have done amazing work. And on the
positive side, there are people trying to get uplifting normal
books in the hands of kids to help them have
hopefully a lifelong love of reading, which both you and
I would agree is probably the best gift that a
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Speaker 3 (15:42):
Welcome back into Clay and Buck. A lot of passionate
response from the parents out there. A lot of you
are veteran parents, right, I'm a rookie parent, but veteran
parents about the books that the kids are being read
read to from and I'm trying to get my prefaces
right here. And also just the offerings in their local
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library or even in their school library, like we had
a school library where I went to school.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
Really interesting.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
We want to put up a list first of all,
send us your thoughts on all this, Like we had
a VIP, who just wrote in VIP Matthew Clay was
talking about the Dolly Parton books. We moved to Ohio
used her program. The books were great for our girls.
So you know that's an example Clay likes to shine
a light and not just curse the darkness on this issue. Yeah,
I appreciate, and we want to do more of that
(16:32):
as well. We're gonna have Larry Arne of Hillsdale speaking
of doing the right things in education and and and
being in this fight for truth, education and sanity. But
I think Clay, this this book issue is really the
more people look at this. My own mom who's a
granny now, so she takes care. She says, the stuff
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that's in the local library for kids very curated to
turn them into little gender confused Marxists.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
I think if you're not of a diabolical mindset, you
just have no idea what's going on. I mean, I
wouldn't even have thought Buck that there would ever be
a situation where those kind of books could be read
in a public school to kindergarteners. You remember, they came
after Ron DeSantis in Florida for putting the so called
Don't Say Gay Bill which all it really did was say, hey, kindergarten, first, second,
(17:23):
third grade, we're not going to have any gender identity
discussions in the classroom. Parents. I bet ninety percent of parents,
maybe ninety five percent of parents would support that. But
these ideologues who are looking at our weak points are
taking advantage of this because a lot of parents, I
think are too innately good and grandparents to think that
(17:43):
something like this could happen. I think it's stunning at
how diabolical they are to be reading these books. I mean,
I can't get over it.
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Speaker 1 (18:58):
Welcome back in, Clay, Travis Sexton Show. Appreciate all of
you hanging out with us. Lots of reactions rolling in already.
We'll take some of your calls and play some of
your talkbacks. Eight hundred two two two eight A two
reminder Dana Perino top of the next hour and doctor
Larry arn top of the next hour. After that, Buck,
(19:18):
I wanted to play this because I was one of
the people that probably went after her the most aggressively
on this, and it feels like Michelle Obama is still
trying to act like she wasn't a diva for refusing
to attend Jimmy Carter's funeral. Have you seen this? She's
been addressing it on her podcast that no one is
evidently listening to, and she made herself out to be
(19:41):
the victim for being unwilling to go to Jimmy Carter's
funeral and listen to this gobbly book from Michelle Obama,
who I would argue is probably the most overrated person
in all of America. This is interesting. Yesterday I argue
that Asha the most overrated person in the world by
(20:02):
Clay Travis Get Yes, she is the anti Patrick Swayzee.
Patrick Swayzee the most underrated nineteen eighties actor for those
of you who were listening yesterday in the third hour
of the program, Michelle Obama the most overrated person in
the world. I find her to be very unlikable, and
since she has left office, I find her to be
frankly insufferable. Even have you ever read her Princeton thesis? Oh?
(20:28):
You would? I have? I have?
Speaker 3 (20:31):
It's that bad? Would yeah? Because remember thesis? You could
go find my thesis. I'm not saying it was very good,
but you know it was on like basically the Communists
have taken over and using speech codes.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
I told people mine it was the burning of Chambersburg, Pennsylvania.
Remember the Civil War? Nerd for my History Honors thesis yet,
But so what was turning? I want the video of you.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
First of all, we know that out in the battlefield
doing the reenactments, you're playing the fife because it's the
closest thing to a flute.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
They had fifs in World War Two. Now I could
play the fife in the Revolutionary War, we're having all
the job. They didn't do fife in the Civil War.
I think they had moved on. I think the technology
was such that they had moved on from the fight
on the sixties. Oh man, I don't think people still
play the fife now. I don't think it's we have
some Civil War reenactors. What would wind instrument? Were they
(21:21):
playing out in the field in the Civil War or real?
I think they had real uhlual flutes by then.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
Well, the food has keys and stuff. I don't think
you would take that out. That's gonna be tough to clean.
I think they had them. I think they had the
flute in the in the Civil War.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
By the way, what about the is it insanely brave
or insanely dumb? Sometimes they overlap. Can you imagine being
the guy who was in the military that didn't have
done and just play tell you while people were shooting
and shooting.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
I thought I thought about this before, like to be
the like the drummer boy and the revel lotion or something,
And I'm like, I I want a musket.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
I want like a backup musket.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
I would not be you know, holding the colors, holding
your regimental colors is also you know the flag.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
Bearers, Like I think the flag guy because the flag
guys they needed to know where I know, if you're
the flag guy, you're like walking around with a big
target up in these Oh yeah, well well I'm not
saying I would do it, but I'm saying at least
the flag guy had to be super brave. Like I
can see the use. Why did they have the flute guy?
(22:31):
Like why not just get the flute guy a gun
and play less of instruments? Play you know the answer
to this, because when it comes to a battle, what
gets you as fired up as some groovy flute tunes?
Nothing I I think the flute. I think the flute
was in high power by the time we're talking like
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Battle of Gettysburg. I think it's probably the peak of
flute playing anywhere. Like the flute guy in the flute
guy back in the day in the camp was the
star of the military camp in eighteen six. What else
are you gonna do? Well? Gambling, A lot of gambling,
I bet with cards, probably drinking cards. I've heard rumors
about moonshine being probably probably a little bit of alcohol consumption.
(23:16):
But in terms of sheer entertainment, the preacher and the
flute guy, and the flute guy was way less judgmental
and made you think about dying less. So I bet
he was the most popular. So I can turn us
back from this digression. That is my fault.
Speaker 3 (23:31):
Some of our Civil War super nerds, you and Clay,
the secret society of Civil War super Nerds that you
guys all belonged to, let us know what the instrument
situation was in that era, because we all think of
the breaches and the fife and the drums for the Revolution,
But were they just not playing music out in the
battlefield the same and maybe they just the rifles were
accurate and far enough at that point that you really
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didn't have as much of the music out there.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
I don't know, I don't know. I'm trying to think
back now. According to producer Alley, who's using chat GPT
for what it's were, flutes played an important role in
communication and boosting morale during the Civil War. They were
used to signal daily routines like waking up, marching, or
going to bed, and also, as I just said, provided entertainment.
It's probably the peak of the flute influence in American
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culture was right then and there. And I mean, so
the flute player on that battlefield was a badass who
was responsible for morale of everybody else. So the flute
player was kind of like the Rambo of his era.
Let's be honest. I hope the flute guy didn't have
to be involved in the full charge. I hope they
were like, hey, flute guy, you could stop, you know,
six hundred yards from the from the ramparts, because can
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you imagine the flute guy just walking into cannons, Like,
I mean.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
Things got really rough in the in the you know,
I just finished my Grant Chernow biography, right, and so
I've kind of gone through the grant campaigns, and obviously
when it would get hand to hand, somebody at some
point probably got beaten senseless by a flute.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
That actually happened. They had a tough way to go,
you know, by the way, if you had to pick
somebody to fight hand to hand, and I think I'd
picked the guy with the flute. I don't know. You
watch the if I'm there in the If I'm there
in the ramparts and the drover with a saber, I
got over at I'm going after flute guy.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
Yeah, the drummers got like pretty strong forearms. I don't
think you go for the drummer. I think you go
for flute guy for sure.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
You got to imagine like when they're sitting around after
the battle, they're like, weld. You know what happened to
Timmy if flute guy got him was nasty.
Speaker 6 (25:28):
Head.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
Timmy got taken out by the flute guy. Yeah, the
flute guy was tougher than we thought, like just totally.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
People making fun of his instrument, and he he went
berserker rage out there on the battlefield.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
It's like it would be the remember when Scarlett and
going with the wind, she married the guy and then
he died of the disease before he got out to
actually fight in the battle. Do you remember that she
really liked spoiler alert Ashley uh uh no, sorry, she
liked RHTT Butler, no, Ashley will becas I can't remember.
I'm getting confined now. I love trying. I'm putting something
out there right now. I have never seen Gone with
(26:02):
the Wind, which is really crazy. I know, the most
successful movie of all time, I think so. Yeah, if
you add up like the dollars for inflation and all
that stuff, yes, can we reverse to Ashley Wilkes? And
then Ashley was with Melanie and then she ended up
with a guy, and the guy she married spoiler alert
(26:24):
it's been one hundred years. But spoiler alert, he dies
in camp. He doesn't even make it. It's like the
getting killed by the flute guy. You can't die before
the battle even happens. I gotta take your word on
all that because I haven't seen the movie. I'm going
to reverse this now because we started this conversation somehow
we got to who is the member of the military
band that you want to fight during you know, different
eras the flute guy fluke guy. Clearly but Michelle Obama
(26:47):
unlikable thesis was basically a person a.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
Big whine about how poorly she was treated at Princeton
is sort of the idea.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
Yeah, and this one, she's whining because people were upset
because she didn't do the right thing and go to
Jimmy Carter's funeral. I think, if you're a first lady
or you're a former president, the least you can do,
the absolute least you can do, is just show up
and sit at the funeral to show respect for America.
Michelle Obama would not do it, and she says she's
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the victim because people were too tough on her for
that choice.
Speaker 4 (27:20):
Listen, my decision to skip the inauguration, you know what
people don't realize, or my decision to make choices at
the beginning of this year that suited me were met
with such ridicule and criticism, like people couldn't believe that
I was saying no for any other reason that they
had to assume that my marriage was falling, right. You know,
(27:43):
It's like, while I'm here really trying to own my
life and intentionally practice making the choice that was right
for me, and it took everything in my power to
not do the thing that was right or that was
was that that was perceived as right, but do the
thing that was right for me. That was a hard
(28:06):
thing for me to do. I had to basically trick
myself out of it. And it started with not having
anything to wear. I mean, I had affirmatively, because I'm
always prepared for in a funeral anything I have. I
walk around with the right dress. I travel with clothes
just in case something pops off. So I was like,
if I'm not going to do this thing, I gotta
(28:28):
tell my team I don't even want to have.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
A dress ready.
Speaker 4 (28:31):
Yeah. Right, Because it's so easy to just say, let
me do the right thing.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
I mean, does she think she's the good guy here?
Being an adult? I watched this last night back and
I sent it into producer Greg. Being an adult means
that you often do the right thing even when you
don't want to do it. That is the sign I
would argue more than almost anything else, of maturity and
becoming an adult not doing the thing that you might
(29:00):
prefer to do, because it is better for you to
make the choice that is better. And she said it
took everything in my power not to do the right thing.
Maybe that's a sign that you should do the right
thing if it takes everything in your power to convince
you to do the thing that is not right. Maybe
this is like the whole concept of I'm gonna live
(29:21):
my truth. Well, there is no your truth. There's the truth,
and you either live by it or you don't. You
don't get to define truth. You can make your own opinions.
But this whole universe of it took everything in my
power to not do what was right. Is an actual
quote she said.
Speaker 3 (29:37):
Well, I just think we should remind media matters that
Clay's quote of the day so far as Michelle Obama
most overrated person in the world.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
Most overrated person in the world. She's the and by
the way, I hope they get the full headline right,
most overrated person in the world, and she's the anti
Patrick Swayzee, who is the most underrated person in the
world in my opinion. Make sure you get that headline right.
Clay Travis says Patrick Swayze underrated, Michelle Obama overrated, and
somehow that's gonna be racist. Of course, Clay Travis thinks
the white man is underrated and the black woman is overrated.
(30:10):
This is what happens marga world. It's just she's kind
of Can I say it? I think I can say it.
It's kind of a kind of a bitch and not
a very likable one. Frankly, you can use that word.
You're buck just bucks. Now, he's really nervous. She's to me,
not going to Jimmy Carter's Carter's funeral and then turning
yourself into the victim. She's the bad guy, she's the
(30:32):
bitch here period.
Speaker 3 (30:35):
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in Texas wants to weigh in. Hello, Hey, how are
you Mimy You're on the air.
Speaker 6 (33:14):
Hey Amy, You know I never agree with Clay, but
today I do.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
Look, I appreciate, first of all, I love that Amy
never agrees with anything that I've said, and I didn't
know she was going to say you should definitely pick
the guy with the flute to fight with back in
the Civil War, or she was gonna agree with me
on Michelle Obama. Look, I think that it is the
absolute height of arrogance and disrespect for the nation for
(33:45):
her to not attend Jimmy Carter's funeral or the inauguration
and then have the gall to go on her podcast
and say it took everything in my power to not
do what was right, as if that makes her a hero.
Adults do what is right when they get the opportunity,
(34:06):
even if sometimes it's not something that you want to do.
I think people forget.
Speaker 3 (34:09):
But this came across early on in the Obama era
when he was running for president that a lot of people,
even that were pro Obama, felt like Michelle always gave
off a bit of a lack of gratitude for the nation.
There was the comment about the first time in my
life or my adult life, I'm proud of my country,
when her husband was like, wait, what are you talking about?
(34:33):
There there was so this is there's been a whole
construct of the persona of Michelle Obama post Obama presidency.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
That is, I think one.
Speaker 3 (34:45):
She is overrated, So I think you're completely correct in
that assessment. But beyond that, because he's never said anything
interesting or profound ever, and she's somebody who talks a
lot in public. And beyond that, I think that people
have forgotten some of the questions that were raised early
on about her be honestly her just her sense of America,
her love of the country, her feelings about the direction
(35:09):
of the country. Eric in Colorado wants to weigh and
we got somebody weighing in on the Fife controversy.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
What's up, Eric?
Speaker 6 (35:16):
Hey, hey, guys, I have a bone to pick.
Speaker 7 (35:20):
You know, I have to fight for the honor of
my great great great grandfather, who was a fiphist for
the Union Army.
Speaker 6 (35:31):
During the Civil War.
Speaker 7 (35:32):
All right, So the story goes he was in the
Mexican American War with General Logan, and.
Speaker 3 (35:41):
He was he was.
Speaker 7 (35:45):
A family friend of Logan. And when Southern Illinois they
passed the resolution to go to fight with the Confederacy,
and General Logan, who was Congressman Logan at the time,
ran out up to Southern Illinois and started giving a
case by case basis of why they should fight for
(36:06):
the Union.
Speaker 6 (36:08):
And at a signal they gave my great great grandfather,
who was six foot four in stature and large in proportions,
started playing the flute with his drummer buddy, mister Cox,
and they rallied all the county to go fight.
Speaker 3 (36:28):
All right, So thank you. So the flute was the
hero of the story. Flute player here of the story player.
Speaker 1 (36:34):
I'm just gonna tell you the guy six 'y four,
he's strong. You're wasting his talents putting him on the flute.
Like six' four guy In Civil war was Like shaquille
O'Neal size that.
Speaker 3 (36:43):
Guy let me tell, you by the, way it. Was
it was a fIF in The Civil war they were.
Playing it was not. Fluke so we do have to kindergar.
Actors but
Welcome. In Thursday edition Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show, I
am live at a minor league baseball stadium in Knoxville, Tennessee. Buck,
there is no minor league baseball game going on. There
would seem to be no reason whatsoever why three different
guys with leaf blowers would need to be on a
field with zero leaves. But as I set down to
(00:23):
begin this broadcast, my eternal nemesis people with leaf blowers
are maybe they're doing this just because they knew I
was gonna be broadcasting here. There are three different guys
with leaf blowers walking around out on the field and
there are no leaves, and they're all blasting their leaf
blowers as loud as they possibly can. So if you
hear that in the background, hopefully at some point there
(00:44):
gasoline will run out in their leaf blowers. But I'm
excited to be here. I'm gonna be doing a speech
right after. It's gonna be fun. Obviously, Knoxville is an
awesome place. We've got a big audience all over the place,
but a lot of people up here are fans, and
so we're having a good time. Buck. Today, huge numbers
of our audience will be watching something that you had
(01:04):
no idea was going on until I'm about to say it.
Right now, the NFL Draft in Green Bay, Wisconsin is underway.
I will be watching this tonight along with probably twenty
million or so other people, many of whom are listening
to us right now. I believe Green Bay is one
of our newest affiliates, if I'm not mistaken. So we
appreciate all of you up there in Cheddarland. We were
(01:27):
already very popular in the state of Wisconsin, and we've
had a lot of awesome friends that we've made in
that state over the past several years. But that should
be an awesome scene. Now, a bunch of different stories
that are out there. Let me give you a little
bit of a roadmap of where we're headed. Dana Perino,
who for my money, may be the nicest person in
all of media. That is the standard that I think
(01:50):
she might well be able to win. It's a tough standard.
There are a lot of super nice people, but Dana Perino,
who many of you watch at America's newsroom every day
on Fox News with Bill Himmer, will be on with
us at one and then I think this is going
to be incredible. I'm super excited for this. Doctor Larry
arn the president of Hillsdale College. They had a fabulous
interview with him in the Saturday Sunday edition, the weekend
(02:14):
edition of the Wall Street Journal. And there's been so
much discussion about Harvard suing the Trump administration over what
the Trump administration is focused on there, and they actually
have a really good argument that is Hillsdale and Larry
are due. They said, Hey, the reason we don't take
federal dollars is because we want complete independence. When you
(02:35):
take taxpayer money, you are giving up complete independence. Why
can't Harvard, with a fifty three billion dollar endowment just
say thanks, but no thanks US federal government. We're concerned
about our ability to have complete freedom when it comes
to teaching as we see fit and running the university
as we see fit. Well, the President is quite clear
when you are allowing at federal tax dollars to be used,
(02:59):
you don't get that complete freedom. We'll dive into that
with him. I think you guys are really going to
enjoy it. But Buck, yesterday, I got a lot of
feedback from moms and dads out there who were listening
to us talk about the books that were being read
in Montgomery County schools, and honestly, even I was, I
knew that there were like kind of edgy books that
(03:20):
were being pushed. I went back after we talked yesterday,
book Buck and looked at these books even more. The
fact that this has gone all the way to the
Supreme Court, that parents would be saying, hey, we need
to object to what are being read to our five
year olds and our six year olds at story time
is I think emblematic of the country just losing its way.
(03:43):
And not only that, I went back and read more
and studied on the Supreme Court discussion surrounding this case,
and I couldn't stop focusing Buck on Katanji Brown Jackson
and the arrogance. We may end up with a couple
of cuts from her, the questions that she asked she
her defense of these books being read to five year
(04:04):
olds that tell you, hey, if you believe you're a
boy and you're a girl, you're right and your parents
should treat you that way. And sometimes we end up
in situations where people get the gender wrong, meaning when
you are born, a doctor in the nursing room, in
the delivery room is unclear of whether you're a boy,
or a girl. This is what's being read to them.
(04:26):
Kataji Brown Jackson said, well, if you don't like it,
you should just switch schools. This was her actual take.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Listen to this, I guess I'm struggling to see how
it burdens a parent's religious exercise. If the school teaches
something that the parent disagrees with, you have a choice.
You don't have to send your kid to that school.
You can put them in another situation.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
This is one of the most arrogant things I have seen, argued.
I would bet ninety five percent of the people that
are listening to us right now don't have great options
when it comes to just pulling your kid out of
your local public school. And so for her defense of
this buck to be well, if you don't like it,
(05:12):
you should just go to a new school. First of all,
they oppose school choice by and large. But second, it's
one of the most arrogant arguments I have heard, that
you should just change your public school.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
Of course, and what you see here is the continuation
of this argument from the left that they aren't doing
indoctrination and in a sense, a secular religious training with
all this transgender delusional nonsense.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
Right.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
They've managed to try to kick God and faith out
of public schools and replace it with this Marxist credo
of insanity. And this is why they push the stuff
that they do as hard as they do. This is
the big question I think, Clay, we kept returning to yesterday.
Why is this so important to them? It's clearly very important,
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so much so that they are willing to look at parents, well,
sometimes look at parents in the eyes and say, yes,
your kid needs to learn that doctors get the gender
wrong at birth, like we think your kids need to
be read that in schools. It is completely nuts. But
it also goes to one of the great things I
think about the Trump administration right now and one of
(06:28):
the reasons why the left hates it so much. And
the more they despise either a person or a policy,
the more important I think we all recognize it to be.
And that is, Clay, the forever regime, which is what
the Democrats had set up for really, certainly the last
twenty years or so, the forever regime of the deep state,
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people within the federal bureaucracy who are pushing in left
wing agenda. The universities which have become completely political monocultures
of left wing madness, media. All these things together allow
them to assert control at different levels of society even
if they lose an election. Trump is going after that,
(07:11):
and I think it's critical that we see that for
what it is. He is going into the kitchen of
the enemy and saying you don't get to just cook
whatever you want and call the shots anymore. And that's
really shaking them up. That's beyond just what is Congress
going to do? What executive orders are out there. So
I think that we're seeing, finally after many years of saying,
(07:32):
when are we going to take on the universities, When
are we going to start to enforce civil rights law
in a way that is advantage, let's just be honest,
advantaging conservative and Republican and right wing points of view.
This has been a long time coming, and I think
it's fantastic. And I think that the fact that they're
(07:52):
still trying to push this transgender nonsense on the kids
in school just shows you how completely bonkers they are,
unrepentantly nuts. What I said yesterday, Clais, I sorry, I
know I'm ranty, hear, but what I said yesterday, if
they could force your kids to learn this stuff or
else they would do so and we all know it,
meaning that they would mandate this stuff if they could
(08:13):
get away with it.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
I'm talking nationwide, not just in one school district. Have
you ever been to a elementary school in read books
to kids? New in the dad game? So it would
not surprise me if you haven't.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
I volunteered at an underserved DC public school in a
program a few times too. But I would think they
were like ninth graders.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
I would hopefully you weren't reading books to them, but
which would be very funny.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
But so I have help. I was helping me. It
was like a homework help program. But I was just
trying to think of this.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
Yeah, I have been to multiple schools over the years,
and I bet a lot of you with young kids,
grandparents maybe as well, have been and gotten to sit
in front of the kids and read books. And my
recollection is that when I've done it, the teacher and
the teachers have all been fantastic, have said, hey, we've
(09:10):
got two or three books that you can choose from.
If I brought a book like that in, if they
had said, hey, Clay, you know you're reading for kindergarteners today.
You can pick any book. I would see that as
a direct attack in some way on the school district
and on the kids. If I walked in with those
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books that we were talking about yesterday and tried to
sit down and read it, not only would it be
inappropriate wildly, but it would actually to me be an
assault on the school itself and on those kids, because
there are ages. And this is why I think it's
a wild book. This case brings together Muslim, Jewish and
(09:51):
Christian parents who said this is unacceptable. And I think
everybody out there five six, seven year old kids, eight
year old, what are you doing teaching gender ideology? To them?
It's actually sinister and it's nasty, and to me, it's diabolical.
I mean, this is close to evil. And what you see.
(10:12):
What you see is that they, and this has always
been true of.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
A lot of this gender cult stuff, they want as
many people as possible to be subjected to it and
involved in it, because then you've been a part of
the process. This is one of the things that you
saw also with COVID. I might just add they wanted
you to police your neighbors. They wanted you to be
shouting at people the mask up. They wanted you to
be one of the useful idiots in that process, because
(10:35):
then you're invested in the perpetuation of that system. Any adult,
any teacher, anyone who shows up at one of these
meetings in defense of this stuff is going to be
very hard, and especially if it's a parent who has
pushed for this for their children, very hard to get
them to see the light and understand how bad this
(10:55):
is down the line. So they want to push it
as fast as they can, as aggressively as they can, because.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
It's building the roster, if you will.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
It's like forcing recruits onto their side, which is obviously
at the heart of what they're doing with these kids
as well. But it is essentially a secular I mean,
a secular religion of sorts is what they are pushing.
I mean, here's another experiment. You could go on Clay.
What if you said, okay, fun, we're you know, I'm
okay with my school district greeting this stuff. But also
we're gonna have some conservative children's books in there that
(11:26):
say that boys are boys and girls are girls, and
people that have, you know, problems in their head should
go see adults and speak to them about it and
not expect everybody to cater to them. Would that be okay?
I don't think so.
Speaker 4 (11:40):
No.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
And look, there are so many amazing kids books that
you can chew. It's not as if there aren't six
hundred one thousand Newberry I think is the award winning
children's books. It's actually I would imagine for a lot
of you who have been elementary school kids, tough, I
mean teacher tough to pick.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
What if I ask you right now, what what are
books that you just have a you have fond memory
of from you. I'm talking your childhood too. I'm talking
third I remember, I remember all the way back to
the very Hungry Caterpillar. Some of you probably remember that
one classic James and the Giant Peach, where the wild
things are, the wind in the willows, the hobbit. I mean,
(12:22):
you go back, you think about that, Clay like, I mean,
you could do the same thing, right. You go back,
you think, oh, well, you're talking about being what an
eight year old? So we're going back almost almost uh
what forty you know, thirty forty years and you remember
those books. That's the kind of influence they had on
your thinking at that time in those formative years. The
(12:44):
Communists know this. This is their little this is their
little red book of gender madness that they're making teachers
and kids hold up and pledge allegiance to in these schools.
And that's why Catanji Brown Jackson, she'll make any argument
to keep this stuff, any argument.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
I want to say one positive thing. I mentioned this yesterday,
and I'm not sure how many of you are familiar
with it. One of the greatest things that I've ever
seen a celebrity do. Dolly Parton has something called the
Dolly Parton Imagination Library. I'm not sure if it's only
available to kids in Tennessee right now, but they will
send your kids free books, you know, little engine that could.
(13:29):
We were signed up for this for our kids and
they were so excited to do it. Dolly Parton did
it Buck because she grew up in rural East Tennessee
and didn't have access to kids' books. I mean, they're fabulous.
She's given Buck two hundred and seventy seven million books
to kids to be able to experience reading that otherwise
(13:51):
might not that their parents could read for them.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
As we remember, this is why Dolly Parton is the
Queen Elizabeth of the Smoky Mountains. She is amazing buck
and I want to say something positive associated with this,
So I think it's available all over the United States
imaginationlibrary dot com. If you're a kid, if you've got grandkids,
if you've got kids, or if you want to donate.
(14:15):
I don't know anybody yet Imagination Library. I'm just telling
you that they have done amazing work. And on the
positive side, there are people trying to get uplifting normal
books in the hands of kids to help them have
hopefully a lifelong love of reading, which both you and
I would agree is probably the best gift that a
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Speaker 3 (15:42):
Welcome back into Clay and Buck. A lot of passionate
response from the parents out there. A lot of you
are veteran parents, right, I'm a rookie parent, but veteran
parents about the books that the kids are being read
read to from and I'm trying to get my prefaces
right here. And also just the offerings in their local
(16:04):
library or even in their school library, like we had
a school library where I went to school.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
Really interesting.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
We want to put up a list first of all,
send us your thoughts on all this, Like we had
a VIP, who just wrote in VIP Matthew Clay was
talking about the Dolly Parton books. We moved to Ohio
used her program. The books were great for our girls.
So you know that's an example Clay likes to shine
a light and not just curse the darkness on this issue. Yeah,
I appreciate, and we want to do more of that
(16:32):
as well. We're gonna have Larry Arne of Hillsdale speaking
of doing the right things in education and and and
being in this fight for truth, education and sanity. But
I think Clay, this this book issue is really the
more people look at this. My own mom who's a
granny now, so she takes care. She says, the stuff
(16:52):
that's in the local library for kids very curated to
turn them into little gender confused Marxists.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
I think if you're not of a diabolical mindset, you
just have no idea what's going on. I mean, I
wouldn't even have thought Buck that there would ever be
a situation where those kind of books could be read
in a public school to kindergarteners. You remember, they came
after Ron DeSantis in Florida for putting the so called
Don't Say Gay Bill which all it really did was say, hey, kindergarten, first, second,
(17:23):
third grade, we're not going to have any gender identity
discussions in the classroom. Parents. I bet ninety percent of parents,
maybe ninety five percent of parents would support that. But
these ideologues who are looking at our weak points are
taking advantage of this because a lot of parents, I
think are too innately good and grandparents to think that
(17:43):
something like this could happen. I think it's stunning at
how diabolical they are to be reading these books. I mean,
I can't get over it.
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Speaker 1 (18:58):
Welcome back in, Clay, Travis Sexton Show. Appreciate all of
you hanging out with us. Lots of reactions rolling in already.
We'll take some of your calls and play some of
your talkbacks. Eight hundred two two two eight A two
reminder Dana Perino top of the next hour and doctor
Larry arn top of the next hour. After that, Buck,
(19:18):
I wanted to play this because I was one of
the people that probably went after her the most aggressively
on this, and it feels like Michelle Obama is still
trying to act like she wasn't a diva for refusing
to attend Jimmy Carter's funeral. Have you seen this? She's
been addressing it on her podcast that no one is
evidently listening to, and she made herself out to be
(19:41):
the victim for being unwilling to go to Jimmy Carter's
funeral and listen to this gobbly book from Michelle Obama,
who I would argue is probably the most overrated person
in all of America. This is interesting. Yesterday I argue
that Asha the most overrated person in the world by
(20:02):
Clay Travis Get Yes, she is the anti Patrick Swayzee.
Patrick Swayzee the most underrated nineteen eighties actor for those
of you who were listening yesterday in the third hour
of the program, Michelle Obama the most overrated person in
the world. I find her to be very unlikable, and
since she has left office, I find her to be
frankly insufferable. Even have you ever read her Princeton thesis? Oh?
(20:28):
You would? I have? I have?
Speaker 3 (20:31):
It's that bad? Would yeah? Because remember thesis? You could
go find my thesis. I'm not saying it was very good,
but you know it was on like basically the Communists
have taken over and using speech codes.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
I told people mine it was the burning of Chambersburg, Pennsylvania.
Remember the Civil War? Nerd for my History Honors thesis yet,
But so what was turning? I want the video of you.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
First of all, we know that out in the battlefield
doing the reenactments, you're playing the fife because it's the
closest thing to a flute.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
They had fifs in World War Two. Now I could
play the fife in the Revolutionary War, we're having all
the job. They didn't do fife in the Civil War.
I think they had moved on. I think the technology
was such that they had moved on from the fight
on the sixties. Oh man, I don't think people still
play the fife now. I don't think it's we have
some Civil War reenactors. What would wind instrument? Were they
(21:21):
playing out in the field in the Civil War or real?
I think they had real uhlual flutes by then.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
Well, the food has keys and stuff. I don't think
you would take that out. That's gonna be tough to clean.
I think they had them. I think they had the
flute in the in the Civil War.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
By the way, what about the is it insanely brave
or insanely dumb? Sometimes they overlap. Can you imagine being
the guy who was in the military that didn't have
done and just play tell you while people were shooting
and shooting.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
I thought I thought about this before, like to be
the like the drummer boy and the revel lotion or something,
And I'm like, I I want a musket.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
I want like a backup musket.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
I would not be you know, holding the colors, holding
your regimental colors is also you know the flag.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
Bearers, Like I think the flag guy because the flag
guys they needed to know where I know, if you're
the flag guy, you're like walking around with a big
target up in these Oh yeah, well well I'm not
saying I would do it, but I'm saying at least
the flag guy had to be super brave. Like I
can see the use. Why did they have the flute guy?
(22:31):
Like why not just get the flute guy a gun
and play less of instruments? Play you know the answer
to this, because when it comes to a battle, what
gets you as fired up as some groovy flute tunes?
Nothing I I think the flute. I think the flute
was in high power by the time we're talking like
(22:54):
Battle of Gettysburg. I think it's probably the peak of
flute playing anywhere. Like the flute guy in the flute
guy back in the day in the camp was the
star of the military camp in eighteen six. What else
are you gonna do? Well? Gambling, A lot of gambling,
I bet with cards, probably drinking cards. I've heard rumors
about moonshine being probably probably a little bit of alcohol consumption.
(23:16):
But in terms of sheer entertainment, the preacher and the
flute guy, and the flute guy was way less judgmental
and made you think about dying less. So I bet
he was the most popular. So I can turn us
back from this digression. That is my fault.
Speaker 3 (23:31):
Some of our Civil War super nerds, you and Clay,
the secret society of Civil War super Nerds that you
guys all belonged to, let us know what the instrument
situation was in that era, because we all think of
the breaches and the fife and the drums for the Revolution,
But were they just not playing music out in the
battlefield the same and maybe they just the rifles were
accurate and far enough at that point that you really
(23:52):
didn't have as much of the music out there.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
I don't know, I don't know. I'm trying to think
back now. According to producer Alley, who's using chat GPT
for what it's were, flutes played an important role in
communication and boosting morale during the Civil War. They were
used to signal daily routines like waking up, marching, or
going to bed, and also, as I just said, provided entertainment.
It's probably the peak of the flute influence in American
(24:15):
culture was right then and there. And I mean, so
the flute player on that battlefield was a badass who
was responsible for morale of everybody else. So the flute
player was kind of like the Rambo of his era.
Let's be honest. I hope the flute guy didn't have
to be involved in the full charge. I hope they
were like, hey, flute guy, you could stop, you know,
six hundred yards from the from the ramparts, because can
(24:37):
you imagine the flute guy just walking into cannons, Like,
I mean.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
Things got really rough in the in the you know,
I just finished my Grant Chernow biography, right, and so
I've kind of gone through the grant campaigns, and obviously
when it would get hand to hand, somebody at some
point probably got beaten senseless by a flute.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
That actually happened. They had a tough way to go,
you know, by the way, if you had to pick
somebody to fight hand to hand, and I think I'd
picked the guy with the flute. I don't know. You
watch the if I'm there in the If I'm there
in the ramparts and the drover with a saber, I
got over at I'm going after flute guy.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
Yeah, the drummers got like pretty strong forearms. I don't
think you go for the drummer. I think you go
for flute guy for sure.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
You got to imagine like when they're sitting around after
the battle, they're like, weld. You know what happened to
Timmy if flute guy got him was nasty.
Speaker 6 (25:28):
Head.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
Timmy got taken out by the flute guy. Yeah, the
flute guy was tougher than we thought, like just totally.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
People making fun of his instrument, and he he went
berserker rage out there on the battlefield.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
It's like it would be the remember when Scarlett and
going with the wind, she married the guy and then
he died of the disease before he got out to
actually fight in the battle. Do you remember that she
really liked spoiler alert Ashley uh uh no, sorry, she
liked RHTT Butler, no, Ashley will becas I can't remember.
I'm getting confined now. I love trying. I'm putting something
out there right now. I have never seen Gone with
(26:02):
the Wind, which is really crazy. I know, the most
successful movie of all time, I think so. Yeah, if
you add up like the dollars for inflation and all
that stuff, yes, can we reverse to Ashley Wilkes? And
then Ashley was with Melanie and then she ended up
with a guy, and the guy she married spoiler alert
(26:24):
it's been one hundred years. But spoiler alert, he dies
in camp. He doesn't even make it. It's like the
getting killed by the flute guy. You can't die before
the battle even happens. I gotta take your word on
all that because I haven't seen the movie. I'm going
to reverse this now because we started this conversation somehow
we got to who is the member of the military
band that you want to fight during you know, different
eras the flute guy fluke guy. Clearly but Michelle Obama
(26:47):
unlikable thesis was basically a person a.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
Big whine about how poorly she was treated at Princeton
is sort of the idea.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
Yeah, and this one, she's whining because people were upset
because she didn't do the right thing and go to
Jimmy Carter's funeral. I think, if you're a first lady
or you're a former president, the least you can do,
the absolute least you can do, is just show up
and sit at the funeral to show respect for America.
Michelle Obama would not do it, and she says she's
(27:16):
the victim because people were too tough on her for
that choice.
Speaker 4 (27:20):
Listen, my decision to skip the inauguration, you know what
people don't realize, or my decision to make choices at
the beginning of this year that suited me were met
with such ridicule and criticism, like people couldn't believe that
I was saying no for any other reason that they
had to assume that my marriage was falling, right. You know,
(27:43):
It's like, while I'm here really trying to own my
life and intentionally practice making the choice that was right
for me, and it took everything in my power to
not do the thing that was right or that was
was that that was perceived as right, but do the
thing that was right for me. That was a hard
(28:06):
thing for me to do. I had to basically trick
myself out of it. And it started with not having
anything to wear. I mean, I had affirmatively, because I'm
always prepared for in a funeral anything I have. I
walk around with the right dress. I travel with clothes
just in case something pops off. So I was like,
if I'm not going to do this thing, I gotta
(28:28):
tell my team I don't even want to have.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
A dress ready.
Speaker 4 (28:31):
Yeah. Right, Because it's so easy to just say, let
me do the right thing.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
I mean, does she think she's the good guy here?
Being an adult? I watched this last night back and
I sent it into producer Greg. Being an adult means
that you often do the right thing even when you
don't want to do it. That is the sign I
would argue more than almost anything else, of maturity and
becoming an adult not doing the thing that you might
(29:00):
prefer to do, because it is better for you to
make the choice that is better. And she said it
took everything in my power not to do the right thing.
Maybe that's a sign that you should do the right
thing if it takes everything in your power to convince
you to do the thing that is not right. Maybe
this is like the whole concept of I'm gonna live
(29:21):
my truth. Well, there is no your truth. There's the truth,
and you either live by it or you don't. You
don't get to define truth. You can make your own opinions.
But this whole universe of it took everything in my
power to not do what was right. Is an actual
quote she said.
Speaker 3 (29:37):
Well, I just think we should remind media matters that
Clay's quote of the day so far as Michelle Obama
most overrated person in the world.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
Most overrated person in the world. She's the and by
the way, I hope they get the full headline right,
most overrated person in the world, and she's the anti
Patrick Swayzee, who is the most underrated person in the
world in my opinion. Make sure you get that headline right.
Clay Travis says Patrick Swayze underrated, Michelle Obama overrated, and
somehow that's gonna be racist. Of course, Clay Travis thinks
the white man is underrated and the black woman is overrated.
(30:10):
This is what happens marga world. It's just she's kind
of Can I say it? I think I can say it.
It's kind of a kind of a bitch and not
a very likable one. Frankly, you can use that word.
You're buck just bucks. Now, he's really nervous. She's to me,
not going to Jimmy Carter's Carter's funeral and then turning
yourself into the victim. She's the bad guy, she's the
(30:32):
bitch here period.
Speaker 3 (30:35):
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All right, a lot of lines lit, a lot of
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of Play's analysis than our Civil War Flute Player conversation.
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in Texas wants to weigh in. Hello, Hey, how are
you Mimy You're on the air.
Speaker 6 (33:14):
Hey Amy, You know I never agree with Clay, but
today I do.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
Look, I appreciate, first of all, I love that Amy
never agrees with anything that I've said, and I didn't
know she was going to say you should definitely pick
the guy with the flute to fight with back in
the Civil War, or she was gonna agree with me
on Michelle Obama. Look, I think that it is the
absolute height of arrogance and disrespect for the nation for
(33:45):
her to not attend Jimmy Carter's funeral or the inauguration
and then have the gall to go on her podcast
and say it took everything in my power to not
do what was right, as if that makes her a hero.
Adults do what is right when they get the opportunity,
(34:06):
even if sometimes it's not something that you want to do.
I think people forget.
Speaker 3 (34:09):
But this came across early on in the Obama era
when he was running for president that a lot of people,
even that were pro Obama, felt like Michelle always gave
off a bit of a lack of gratitude for the nation.
There was the comment about the first time in my
life or my adult life, I'm proud of my country,
when her husband was like, wait, what are you talking about?
(34:33):
There there was so this is there's been a whole
construct of the persona of Michelle Obama post Obama presidency.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
That is, I think one.
Speaker 3 (34:45):
She is overrated, So I think you're completely correct in
that assessment. But beyond that, because he's never said anything
interesting or profound ever, and she's somebody who talks a
lot in public. And beyond that, I think that people
have forgotten some of the questions that were raised early
on about her be honestly her just her sense of America,
her love of the country, her feelings about the direction
(35:09):
of the country. Eric in Colorado wants to weigh and
we got somebody weighing in on the Fife controversy.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
What's up, Eric?
Speaker 6 (35:16):
Hey, hey, guys, I have a bone to pick.
Speaker 7 (35:20):
You know, I have to fight for the honor of
my great great great grandfather, who was a fiphist for
the Union Army.
Speaker 6 (35:31):
During the Civil War.
Speaker 7 (35:32):
All right, So the story goes he was in the
Mexican American War with General Logan, and.
Speaker 3 (35:41):
He was he was.
Speaker 7 (35:45):
A family friend of Logan. And when Southern Illinois they
passed the resolution to go to fight with the Confederacy,
and General Logan, who was Congressman Logan at the time,
ran out up to Southern Illinois and started giving a
case by case basis of why they should fight for
(36:06):
the Union.
Speaker 6 (36:08):
And at a signal they gave my great great grandfather,
who was six foot four in stature and large in proportions,
started playing the flute with his drummer buddy, mister Cox,
and they rallied all the county to go fight.
Speaker 3 (36:28):
All right, So thank you. So the flute was the
hero of the story. Flute player here of the story player.
Speaker 1 (36:34):
I'm just gonna tell you the guy six 'y four,
he's strong. You're wasting his talents putting him on the flute.
Like six' four guy In Civil war was Like shaquille
O'Neal size that.
Speaker 3 (36:43):
Guy let me tell, you by the, way it. Was
it was a fIF in The Civil war they were.
Playing it was not. Fluke so we do have to kindergar.
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