April 25, 2025 • 36 mins
Hour 2 of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show features an engaging discussion with Bill O'Reilly, who provides insights into the first 100 days of the Trump administration. The conversation covers various topics, including the economy, foreign affairs, and immigration policies. O'Reilly highlights the unexpected impact of tariff negotiations and the emotional response from the public due to market fluctuations. He also discusses Trump's confidence and strategic approach, particularly in dealing with Vladimir Putin and the challenges posed by Russia.
The hosts and O'Reilly delve into the performance of Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth, evaluating his ability to manage the Pentagon amidst internal resistance. They also touch on the dynamics within the Trump administration, including a reported conflict between Elon Musk and another high-profile figure, which could influence the administration's direction.
Additionally, the hour includes a segment on the importance of reinstating service members who were discharged due to COVID-19 vaccine mandates. The hosts emphasize the need to correct past injustices and acknowledge natural immunity.
The show also features lighter moments, such as personal anecdotes and reflections on family life, adding a relatable touch to the program. The hosts discuss the ongoing cultural and political debates, including the comparison of Trump to historical figures like Hitler, and the impact of such rhetoric on public discourse.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome in our number two Clay Travis buck Sexton Show.
Appreciate all of you hanging out with us as we
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I think, Buck and we have, speaking of variety, a
guy who's talked about every subject under the sun and
written about a lot of them over the years.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Bill O'Reilly, Bill bringing you in.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
It's almost one hundred days and big broad question to
start with you. I think one hundred days will officially
be early next week. How would you grade the first
one hundred days of the Trump administration? Has anything surprised you?
Has anything stood out to you that maybe you were
not anticipating all So, as a part of that grade
(01:01):
that you might.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
Give, well, you'd have to do subjects if you want
to be fair and give grades different subjects, the economy,
foreign affairs, immigration, all to get different grades. I think
the tariff Liberation Day stuff was unanticipated, certainly by me,
and I'm you know, I have a pretty close contact
(01:27):
with the White House. I know what they're doing and
why they're doing, and I wasn't ready for that shock
and awe at all. So Tuesday is one hundred day anniversary.
On Wednesday, we'll be doing a two hour town hall
on News Nation, kicking it off with President Trump. He'll
(01:49):
be on with me, Chris Cuomo, Stephen A. Smith to
go down the list of what has happened. But you know,
a lot of this is emotion, not sacked, and that's
what I'm trying to get away from. But if you
ask me a specific question about a policy that Trump
has done in one hundred days, I can give you
a fairly specific answer.
Speaker 4 (02:11):
Well, let's let's take a look, first, Bill at what
you think on the economy, because that's been I think
the primary policy area where even people who are pro
Trump maybe have gotten a little unnerved by some of
the market moves recently. Right if the left, oh yeah,
Trump is hitler, he sent this MS thirteen guy. We
(02:31):
expect all that stuff. But the economy, the tariff, some
of that I think is where you know, there's a
little bit of a have faith in me, trust me
attitude from Trump on this one. How do you how
do you assess how he's doing and what that's looking
like so far.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
Well, whenever you miss with people's money, they're going to
get emotional. Number One. I don't know if Donald Trump
understands that because he's a child of privilege, he's been
a wealthy person since he's been born. But I don't
don't know if he understands the emotion that Americans have
tied into their cash because it's everything in this country.
(03:08):
There's the capitalistic country, and then if you don't have
enough money, you're gonna have a miserable life period. So
when the stock market began to robble and then collapse
for a few days, people not only started to worry,
they got angry, because when you're surprised in a negative way,
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usually the first emotion is anger, what are you doing?
Joy for me? All right? That's natural, it's all natural.
Same thing that people don't understand tariffs to this day,
they don't know what's going on. You can go out
there with charts and you can go to night school
or on the Internet. Enroll in a macroeconomics course. You'll
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take you three or four weeks to understand what the
tariffs are. This isn't like immigration would is easy to understand.
And so the emotion of the country was what are
you doing to Donald Trump? And that hurt him. Now
I don't know, you know, and I'm going to ask
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him certainly on Wednesday. You know, do you understand why
Americans are disshanted at this point? That on the record,
because it's all what I just told you is one
hundred percent true. The economy itself is pretty good, and
it wasn't that under Biden either. Price is true Biden,
(04:37):
but prices are coming down under Trump. In my area
on Long Island, gas prices are down significantly and food
is down as well. Now I don't think the greedy
insurance company is going to drop their prices, and that
was a big factor to destroying Joe Biden. But you
don't know is increased competition may cause that. But people
have jobs and plenty of jobs around. Consumers are spending money,
(05:01):
so the economy is okay. But this tariff deal, Trump's
gone for the big, big payoffs here and maybe he'll
get it, but maybe doesn't counter panic.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
We're talking to Bill, O'Reilly's gonna be having the president
for one hundred days. You've known the president a long time.
Buck has known the president for a long time. I've
known him the last five or six years. He seems
more comfortable to me, Bill, in this iteration of his
presidency than he ever has before. I'm curious if you
(05:41):
get that vibe from him, whether you would attribute it
partly to surviving in Butler. Maybe it's winning the popular vote,
maybe despite putting on the twenty twenty eight hat, it's
knowing that there is an end to the race in
sight where he's not necessarily a politician anymore.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
Do you get that that sense?
Speaker 1 (06:00):
How would you assess him personally as we come up
on this one hundred day mark.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
Well, certainly he's far more comfortable than he was the
first time around, because the first time around he didn't
know what he was doing.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
So he comes into office, and I can tell you
this with certainty, knowing that the president before him fell
dismally and with a personal grudge against Joe Biden. Donald
Trump hates Joe Biden, and I don't use that word often.
It's not a dislike, it's a hate because Trump believes
(06:38):
that Biden was behind many of the legal problems that
he experienced. Where's Merrick Garland, By the way, he's in
a witness protection program. I never saw a guy get
out of town fast. All right. So Trump comes in
and he goes he's got an agenda where he didn't
have that in the first go around he was It
(07:00):
took him almost six months to believe he was actually there. Okay,
so he gets there and he goes shocking, awe, shocking
all border boom works, shocking, aw dei boom works, shocking awe.
(07:22):
Paris uh oh doesn't work. Now, the first few months
before the tariffs, he was riding high and he was
very super confident. Now, some little more tentative add that
the Prutin basically poking him in the eye because Trump
(07:44):
did not anticipate that what happened. They had a structure
of a deal before Trump was even elected prudent and
Trump that Prutain is so evil, so massively bad, that
he's going to cause as much problem as human possible
before he'll make a deal. And Trump did not anticipate that.
(08:05):
So let's throw him off his game a little bit
Trump with the terrifs and Putin, but certainly he's far
more confident now. And I was in a cabinet meeting
with him and his advisors on Saint Patrick's Day than
he was the first time around.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
Bill, Could I just jump in on that, because I
think that's really interesting. Do you think that Putin may
have underestimated Trump in this exchange? Because it's not looking good?
And I mean that from the optic side of things, right,
I know the deal's not done, nothing's been agreed to formally,
et cetera. But for Putin to do the dramatic escalation
(08:40):
with some of these strikes, maybe dramatic is too strong
a word. Escalation with some of these strikes. While this
is ongoing, I think Trump feels a little slighted personally,
And I just wonder if you think that Putin doesn't
realize slighting Trump personally is not not smart business.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
You know, I am not a psychiatrist, but I have
Vladimir Putin on the cover of my upcoming book, Confronting Evil,
which will be out September ninth. The guy is hardcore.
He enjoys inflicting pain on other people. He's unpredictable, so
(09:18):
it's hard for me to assess his motivation. I can
tell you that Trump was confident because Trump looks at
life in a linear way. If the deal is good,
you take it. Putin doesn't see it that way. Putin
wants to inflict pain on other people. That's what he's
(09:39):
done his whole entire life. I don't know if Trump
understands that. I actually told him that face to face
eight years ago in the first interview he did before
being inaugurated, when I was on Fox News and I said,
(10:00):
this guy, he's a killer, and you know the sound bite.
It's a famous sound bite. He goes, well, we're not
that pure ourselves. That was Trump's answer. Now, I believe
that that Trump knows that he's going to have to
punish Putin in order to get Putin to do anything,
and that strategy is underway.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
How much you said you were in a cabinet meeting
on Saint Patrick's day with Trump.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
How confident are you.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
In Pete Hegseth's stature as the Defense secretary. So far,
Trump has not had to fire anybody in the first
hundred days. I think he wants to set the precedent
that he is not going to listen to the media
at all because they're never happy and they're always demanding
the next head on a platter. How would you assess
(10:49):
heg Seth's status and so far Trump staying behind everybody
that's a part of the cabinet.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
When Hegseth was nominated, I said that was not a
good nomination. You'll remember that. I think we talked about
it on this program. We did, yeah, and the reason
was that most people are working at Pentagon are careerists
their whole life. They work there. They don't want an
agent of change walking in. That's haig Seth. They're going
(11:20):
to try to undermine and destroy him. A stronger person
with more experience could counter that. Hegg Seth can't. Therefore,
he is not going to survive in that job. Now,
your point about Donald Trump not being intimidated by the
hate Trump media is an excellent point and everybody should
(11:40):
understand it. He's not going to look weak. But I
don't believe that mister hegg Seth is going to be
able to run the Pentagon. That will become clear to
the Joint chiefs of Staff, who then tell Donald Trump
if they haven't already you got to get somebody else
(12:02):
in there, and we.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
Ask you Bill also, we're running close up against the breaker,
but I did want to get this in. I'm sure
you saw this. I guess maybe scuttle butt about Vessant
and Elon, two guys with plenty of money and plenty
of ego. I think that's fair to say, really going
at it if you believe the reports. And I haven't
seen anybody. I mean, Caroline Levitt was like, you know,
(12:25):
boys'll be boys, So this wasn't No one has seemed
to suggest this is fake but getting personal, getting nasty
over the irs.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
Director, What do you see here?
Speaker 4 (12:36):
What are the bigger dynamics maybe within the White House
that you think this might allude to? Or is this
just two guys, you know, scoping each other out and
not liking what they see?
Speaker 2 (12:45):
What was this all about?
Speaker 3 (12:47):
I don't know what it was about, but I know
it happened. So you're not going to see much of
Elon Musk this summer, and I think his tenure at
the White House. He still has the President's ear, but
he's not gonna be around very much as it is,
(13:08):
emerging as a very powerful person in the Trump administration.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
What do you think about that?
Speaker 3 (13:18):
I don't know. I'm not early, I don't know. I
do know that he was a moderating force to pull
back on the shock and awe with the tariffs, and
you know that worked. The market stabilized to some extent.
That's a big plus for him.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
What is the one thing you want to see?
Speaker 4 (13:42):
I mean, I'm sure, sorry, I don't want to make
you give up some of what you're going to be
talking to about in a few days, but I think
everyone would expect you'd ask the focus between now and
the fall for Trump. I know there's a lot of
things got to walk into you gum at the same time. Sure,
but if there's one area where he could put real
points on the board in a way that would help
(14:05):
with the momentum to get more of the agenda done,
not losing the midterms, etc. What would you want to
see him? You know, what do you think the most
important area for racking up wins is for this administration?
Speaker 3 (14:18):
Well, if what I am hearing is true, he'll have
deals with India and Japan to announce almost maybe next week,
and if that happens, the EU will follow soon and
Mexico and Canada. Also, if you can get that done
in the month of May, then he'll be riding high again.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (14:41):
And then Bill, where can people go to see the interview?
We're running into break here. We wanted to make sure
everyone knows where can they go? And also Bill Oreilly
dot com for your daily analysis.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
Right, yep, that's the place to go.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
Thanks for having me, guys, All right, thank you so much.
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Speaker 1 (16:20):
Were welcome back in play Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate
all of you hanging out with us as we are
rolling through the Friday edition of the program.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
And Buck, you know, I know we were talking with uh.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
We were talking about Hegseth making the decision the right
one to go back and try to get an update
on the COVID nineteen reinstatements, and how important that was.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
I wanted to play this. I had him pull it.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
This is what Fauci was saying, in July of twenty
twenty about what would need to happen in order for
kids to be back in school. I don't want any
of you to forget the lies that we were told.
Listen to the minimum of what teachers needed to be wearing, Perfouci.
Speaker 6 (17:06):
The minimal things you might want to do is you
could use just a mask and eye goggles and possibly gloves. Now,
what you might want to do, if you can, would
be to put something on that you can dispose of
a wash after a class, you know, and some sort
of a garment that you can at the end of
(17:29):
the day take off and not go.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
Home with it.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
That would be reasonable.
Speaker 7 (17:34):
It's reasonable claim to have you take three or four
garbage bags, wrap them around your face.
Speaker 4 (17:42):
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Speaker 1 (18:54):
Oooh, welcome back in Clay, Travis Buck Sexton Show.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
Appreciate all of you hanging out with us. As we are.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
Rolling through the Friday edition of the program, we got
comedian on comedian crime Bill Maher Buck. You did a
show a couple of months ago, went fantastically well has
managed to thread the needle where he's still doing something
a bit rare, which is trying to make fun of
both sides somewhat evenly, which used to be the province
(19:26):
of the David Lettermans and the Johnny Carsons and the
Jay Leno's in that era before everybody went crazy when
Jimmy Fallon rubbed Donald Trump's hair, and since that point
in time, it has been determined that comedians must be
on the side of the anti Trump, anti Maga agenda
as opposed to just continuing to make fun of everybody.
(19:48):
And Larry David, who I like and is the George
character inspiration on Seinfeld and then did a really funny
show called Curb Your Enthusiasm which aired for a decade
worth the shows or.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
More on HBO.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
I like him. I think he's a talented comedian. We
don't have political agreement. And Larry David recently wrote an
essay for The New York Times making fun of Bill
Maher for going to dinner with Trump and comparing it
to going to dinner with Adolph Hitler in the nineteen thirties.
(20:23):
Bill Maher now has responded to the comedy comedian on
comedian crime by this cut cut for talking about Larry
David's essay.
Speaker 8 (20:34):
The minute you played the Hitler kars, you've lost the argument. Yes,
And also I must say, you know, come on, man,
Hitler Nazis no money has been harder about an on
and more prescient I must say about Donald Trump than me.
I don't need to be lectured on who Donald Trump is.
(20:54):
Just the fact that I met him in person didn't
change that. And the fact that I reported on honestlie
is not a sin either. But you know, to use
the Hitler thing, first of all, I just think it's
kind of insulting to six million dead Jews, you know,
like that should kind of be in its own place
(21:17):
in history.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
I think Bill Maher's completely right, and he sounds eminently reasonable.
I know these guys are supposed to be professionally funny,
but when you make the attack that Larry David did,
I think Bill Maher's one hundred percent the right here.
Speaker 4 (21:31):
Yeah, Hitler murdered eleven million people total in the death gams,
eleven million, six million Jews, and you're going to compare
that to Donald Trump, And I think that you're an intelligent,
reasonable person. He's completely right about the people will refer
to this as like the Ad Hitler argument, where you
just oh, he's Hitler, he's Hitler. I think it's interesting
(21:51):
as well. You could argue Mao and or Stalin are
just as bad, and yet people never go to those
historical figures in this country the same way, which I
think there are deep reasons for that, because of the
fondness for left wing Marxist ideology that a lot of
people still have in this country. But anyway, I think
I think it's interesting how Bill has been at mar
(22:14):
has been able to straddle both sides of the aisle
a little bit on this and be one of the
rare shows. Look when he had me on the show
Clay in October, his audience didn't want to hear that
Trump was gonna win, and he knew that I was
going to come in there and say Trump is winning
this election. Guys, Kamalo's a joke, and here's why. And
(22:35):
he let me make that case. And now that Trump
is won, he's continued to have on some some weeks
you know better than others. Some weeks it's a Trump
is terrible week, but he does allow people to make
the case the other side and exposes his audience to
at least a real explanation or a real, you know,
(22:56):
pro Trump version of events.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
And where else does that really occur?
Speaker 9 (23:01):
In?
Speaker 4 (23:02):
This is what's so amazing, Like we've had a lot
of good things happening in the media overall, where I
think now they don't have anywhere near the same stranglehold
on the public consciousness that they used to and determining
what the news cycle is. Where do you see really
good exchanges? And it's not every week on Bill Maher,
don't send me you know, recently there was an episode
(23:22):
my brother told me, He's like, don't watch it, it's garbage,
you know, But some.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
Weeks it's good.
Speaker 4 (23:27):
Where else do you see it? I think it's peery
Piers Morgan would be one, and it's a little bit
more how would I describe it, It's a little bit
more of that's a rock Em Sockem kind of situation.
I enjoy it, but it's got Clay's like, oh, I
like the Rockham Sockam penal.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
I'm like, I'm not surprised.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
Yeah, But but he does try to bring on divergent
perspectives and then people are just throwing punches in every direction,
and so it can have a political Jerry Springer connotation
to it, for lack of a better way to describe it.
But I do think what is super fascinating to me
Buck about the Larry David piece where he compares Trump
(24:09):
to Hitler, and then al Gore went a little bit
viral this week as well, comparing Trump to Hitler. After
all of this, at the end of one hundred days,
we're right back to Trump as Hitler. They don't have anything.
That was how the campaign ended, you know. Coabbla tried
(24:30):
to kind of knock around and say things, and she
didn't really become the best advocate for her cause to
the extent there was one, and she said, you wouldn't
have done anything different than Joe Biden. And she ran
a thoroughly awful campaign which was partly camouflaged by having
one point five billion dollars to average. Can you imagine, Buck,
(24:50):
if you had one point five billion dollars to spend
and the whole goal was just to make people like you.
That's basically the entire aspect of a political campaign.
Speaker 6 (25:02):
Now.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
I know.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
Also you're telling the saying the other side is bad,
but by and large you get to spend a billion
and a half dollars to convince people to like you,
and it didn't work, and they closed with Trump is
Hitler all over again. And now after one hundred days,
they tried out other messages, but ultimately they just have
cycled right back to Trump is Hitler.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
So what do we got?
Speaker 1 (25:25):
Two hundred and sixty five plus three more years on
top of that, so we got basically a thousand days
of Trump is Hitler. That's going to be their only message.
It's really kind of unbelievable that this is where they are.
Speaker 4 (25:39):
You know, a lot of people are saying, people are
saying some people are saying out.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
There, a lot of people are saying that it's going
to be AOC.
Speaker 4 (25:47):
Have you seen that that AOC is going to be
the great hope of the Democrat Party? Oh yeah, of course,
more articles, more and more analysis about this. I know
you think it won't be It won't be a woman,
which is interesting, interesting take on it.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
They won't say it publicly, but in the same way
Buck that I saw people the other day saying, you know,
it's really a no brainer that may or Pete should
be the nominee. And I'm like black dudes are not
voting for a gay white guy. Next man up. I mean,
and I'm sorry, but that when your base of your
party is black voters, and no black voters who are
(26:24):
male by and large are willing to vote for a
gay white guy, he has no hope of being elected
president of the United I think, though, if you talk
to a Democrat strategist, someone who's a Democrat who works
on these campaigns, you know, people that we come across
in the media, you know, you know the names, they
would put it differently, but agree with your analysis of
(26:46):
Mayor Pete's weakness among certain demographics. In the Democrats, they
just would say the truth bluntly. I'm telling the truth
bluntly on women too. They won't say it publicly, but no, but.
Speaker 4 (26:56):
I think they would just I think they would, even
behind closed door, disagree with you on the woman thing.
I think that they would believe that that the the
problem hasn't been running a woman candidate. The problem has
been the woman candidate. Again, speaking from the Democrat mindset,
I don't think that they would say it's it's that
they ran a woman. Is that the women that they
(27:18):
ran were not up to the we're not up to
the task. And look, Hillary was super close to winning
I mean, I know, I mean.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
Far away from winning either. I just think but.
Speaker 4 (27:28):
Even in the even if you look at this, like
Trump did better against Commall than he did against Hillary. Right, yeah,
Hillary was close, it was a it was a pretty
close election.
Speaker 10 (27:38):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (27:38):
Trump just ran the table exactly where he needed to.
So I don't think anyone's gonna look at that and say, oh,
we couldn't get a stronger female candidate across the finish line.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
I don't think they're gonna pick you. Look at what
they did. Is it Dudes Forever?
Speaker 6 (27:52):
Then?
Speaker 2 (27:53):
Is that? Just look at Clay Travis just Forever?
Speaker 1 (27:55):
That sounds like today on the show, Dudes Forever sounds
like one of the worst nineties boy band, like a
new podcast.
Speaker 4 (28:03):
What it was in the Dudes? There's a Dudes on Dudes,
Dudes on Dudes. Yeah, that's a I think that's Grenkowski
and Edelman. But look, I think I think actually a
Republican woman has a better chance of winning because I
think the problem that Democrats have when they put forward
a woman is it makes almost immediately the entire election
(28:26):
a referendum on abortion and I think that even for
motivating women, I think Kamala learned in twenty twenty four.
You watch her closing arguments, what was Trump is hitler?
And not only is he hitler. If you get pregnant,
he's going to drag you out of your home by
your hair and make you have a baby.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
And what is interesting is Trump did better with women
in twenty twenty four than he did in twenty sixteen
or in twenty twenty. I think abortion is fading as
an issue because it's now a state issue, and I
think that women candidates almost feel compelled Democrats to make
abortion their signature issue, and I don't think it's a
(29:09):
signature enough issue for the nation anymore.
Speaker 4 (29:11):
I always thought that the pro abortion, pro Roe side
of the argument was wildly overstating how much of an
impact it would have on elections. And I think we
actually just saw that beyond any doubt in this election
in the midterms, because of when the decision came down, right,
wasn't it June and then the midterms were that fall.
(29:34):
People didn't know, that's right, that what they were being
told was a lie. So the Democrats got away with
exactly what you said. They're going to pull your you know,
your fifteen year old daughter, you know, out of your
house and make her have the baby that she wasn't
planning on.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
You know, all these things, right, all the.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
Stories that you were fear bongering, the things that would
motivate middle of the.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
Road female voters.
Speaker 4 (29:55):
There were some people who might have said, Oh my gosh,
I'm concerned, what is this going to mean? All of
that stuff was a lie, And if you just live
in reality, you know that that's a lie. And so
that's why I think if it had happened a year sooner,
the decision, I think you would have had even less
impact in the midterms. But because of the timeline, they
were able to lie about it and get away with it.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
But that's over.
Speaker 4 (30:17):
And the truth is, how do you motivate people in
states where you know, if you live in a state
and you know you're somebody who the law hasn't actually
changed in that state, it's very hard in a meaningful way.
It's very hard to convince people that something terrible has happened. Right,
I mean not only that, buck, just look at where
people are moving. All of the states with the most
(30:37):
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the least liberal abortion laws. Now, if people truly felt
like that was a signature, oh my goodness issue, you
wouldn't be moving from Chicago to Florida, or New York
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Speaker 4 (33:23):
All right, welcome back into Clay and Buck. Clay's got
his interview with Tom Holman coming up here to get
really deep into the efforts to enforce immigration law and
to continue to secure our border. So you're gonna want
to dive in with him in just a few moments.
I've got to go tend to some family matters because
I've got my whole family here and I got to
go help out and you know, change diapers and do
(33:44):
all those good things I got now with the little man,
which a lot of fun and with that actually a
good time for the talkback here. D D Tom from
New York City who listens on w o R.
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Play it.
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Oh fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck you just did it?
Just you wait you're gonna see that when that baby
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and you're gonna be used to him going to sleep,
and you're gonna be tired.
Speaker 6 (34:18):
Buck.
Speaker 9 (34:20):
Congratulations, it's wonderful.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
Thank you, Tom.
Speaker 4 (34:24):
Tom's People who don't know you may have jinks things
by saying the first couple of weeks your son had
been sleeping pretty well. Yeah, oh, I'm aware that I
might have jinxed it, but I'm all I can do
is report back. Honestly. People can ask me like, are
you okay, I'm like, I'm fine. Like, first of all,
as I said, Carrie's doing ninety five percent of baby,
(34:45):
you know, baby things that need to be done, she's
doing ninety I mean, I help out as I can,
but she's she's amazing on that front. And so yeah,
I think, so far, so good. Cindy in Mount Vernon, Ohio,
the different Mount Verdon. What's going on, Cindy Buck good? Yes,
it's Buckuck.
Speaker 10 (35:05):
I am so thrilled. I love Crockett coffee. My favorite
gift was a bag of Crockett coffee and a Daddy's
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Can you Can you take a photo of you with
your Donald Trump mug drinking Crockett and put it out
on social media.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
We can share it around so everybody can see the
good I.
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Don't even have it. I'm so our cake. I can
take an old kind and if you if I didn't
even know your address, I can get that through somebody.
I'm not a stalker. I'm not a creepy.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
It's okay.
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You can send it into the studio in New York.
They'll give you the address and then we'll we can
upload it. Uh, and we can get that go. But
that's where we love it. You love Crockett, coffee and
Donald Trump a fantastic combination. And Cindy, thank you so
much for calling it. Thank you for listening. We'll take
one more here. Dave in Pennsylvania. What's going on?
Speaker 2 (35:52):
Dave? Oh, he's gone. Well I should have stayed. I
should have stayed with Cindy. Who is who? Tom and
New York? Don in New York, Don in New York.
Go for it. Yeah, I don't think I have enough time.
Can you can you get back to me after the hour.
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (36:11):
Man Clay's taking over Clay your call, buddy, what do
you want to do?
Speaker 1 (36:14):
Well, we got Tom Holman coming on. I guess we
can have you wait on. I mean I've never we've
never had anybody request.
Speaker 4 (36:23):
To come on later. How how time do you need
don give us? Like as a ballpark here? What are
we talking about? Two minutes?
Speaker 7 (36:29):
Did you say people well work for?
Speaker 9 (36:34):
Sut you up?
Speaker 2 (36:35):
Yeah? I did?
Speaker 3 (36:37):
All right?
Speaker 4 (36:37):
Yeah, I want to talk to you about that. Yeah,
I got a theory on that.
Speaker 3 (36:40):
I'll wait. That's all right, I'll talk to you after
home's over.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
Clay h enjoying the conversation. Have a good weekend, Buck,
Tom Homan Next
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written about a lot of them over the years.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Bill O'Reilly, Bill bringing you in.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
It's almost one hundred days and big broad question to
start with you. I think one hundred days will officially
be early next week. How would you grade the first
one hundred days of the Trump administration? Has anything surprised you?
Has anything stood out to you that maybe you were
not anticipating all So, as a part of that grade
(01:01):
that you might.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
Give, well, you'd have to do subjects if you want
to be fair and give grades different subjects, the economy,
foreign affairs, immigration, all to get different grades. I think
the tariff Liberation Day stuff was unanticipated, certainly by me,
and I'm you know, I have a pretty close contact
(01:27):
with the White House. I know what they're doing and
why they're doing, and I wasn't ready for that shock
and awe at all. So Tuesday is one hundred day anniversary.
On Wednesday, we'll be doing a two hour town hall
on News Nation, kicking it off with President Trump. He'll
(01:49):
be on with me, Chris Cuomo, Stephen A. Smith to
go down the list of what has happened. But you know,
a lot of this is emotion, not sacked, and that's
what I'm trying to get away from. But if you
ask me a specific question about a policy that Trump
has done in one hundred days, I can give you
a fairly specific answer.
Speaker 4 (02:11):
Well, let's let's take a look, first, Bill at what
you think on the economy, because that's been I think
the primary policy area where even people who are pro
Trump maybe have gotten a little unnerved by some of
the market moves recently. Right if the left, oh yeah,
Trump is hitler, he sent this MS thirteen guy. We
(02:31):
expect all that stuff. But the economy, the tariff, some
of that I think is where you know, there's a
little bit of a have faith in me, trust me
attitude from Trump on this one. How do you how
do you assess how he's doing and what that's looking
like so far.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
Well, whenever you miss with people's money, they're going to
get emotional. Number One. I don't know if Donald Trump
understands that because he's a child of privilege, he's been
a wealthy person since he's been born. But I don't
don't know if he understands the emotion that Americans have
tied into their cash because it's everything in this country.
(03:08):
There's the capitalistic country, and then if you don't have
enough money, you're gonna have a miserable life period. So
when the stock market began to robble and then collapse
for a few days, people not only started to worry,
they got angry, because when you're surprised in a negative way,
(03:32):
usually the first emotion is anger, what are you doing?
Joy for me? All right? That's natural, it's all natural.
Same thing that people don't understand tariffs to this day,
they don't know what's going on. You can go out
there with charts and you can go to night school
or on the Internet. Enroll in a macroeconomics course. You'll
(03:54):
take you three or four weeks to understand what the
tariffs are. This isn't like immigration would is easy to understand.
And so the emotion of the country was what are
you doing to Donald Trump? And that hurt him. Now
I don't know, you know, and I'm going to ask
(04:14):
him certainly on Wednesday. You know, do you understand why
Americans are disshanted at this point? That on the record,
because it's all what I just told you is one
hundred percent true. The economy itself is pretty good, and
it wasn't that under Biden either. Price is true Biden,
(04:37):
but prices are coming down under Trump. In my area
on Long Island, gas prices are down significantly and food
is down as well. Now I don't think the greedy
insurance company is going to drop their prices, and that
was a big factor to destroying Joe Biden. But you
don't know is increased competition may cause that. But people
have jobs and plenty of jobs around. Consumers are spending money,
(05:01):
so the economy is okay. But this tariff deal, Trump's
gone for the big, big payoffs here and maybe he'll
get it, but maybe doesn't counter panic.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
We're talking to Bill, O'Reilly's gonna be having the president
for one hundred days. You've known the president a long time.
Buck has known the president for a long time. I've
known him the last five or six years. He seems
more comfortable to me, Bill, in this iteration of his
presidency than he ever has before. I'm curious if you
(05:41):
get that vibe from him, whether you would attribute it
partly to surviving in Butler. Maybe it's winning the popular vote,
maybe despite putting on the twenty twenty eight hat, it's
knowing that there is an end to the race in
sight where he's not necessarily a politician anymore.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
Do you get that that sense?
Speaker 1 (06:00):
How would you assess him personally as we come up
on this one hundred day mark.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
Well, certainly he's far more comfortable than he was the
first time around, because the first time around he didn't
know what he was doing.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
So he comes into office, and I can tell you
this with certainty, knowing that the president before him fell
dismally and with a personal grudge against Joe Biden. Donald
Trump hates Joe Biden, and I don't use that word often.
It's not a dislike, it's a hate because Trump believes
(06:38):
that Biden was behind many of the legal problems that
he experienced. Where's Merrick Garland, By the way, he's in
a witness protection program. I never saw a guy get
out of town fast. All right. So Trump comes in
and he goes he's got an agenda where he didn't
have that in the first go around he was It
(07:00):
took him almost six months to believe he was actually there. Okay,
so he gets there and he goes shocking, awe, shocking
all border boom works, shocking, aw dei boom works, shocking awe.
(07:22):
Paris uh oh doesn't work. Now, the first few months
before the tariffs, he was riding high and he was
very super confident. Now, some little more tentative add that
the Prutin basically poking him in the eye because Trump
(07:44):
did not anticipate that what happened. They had a structure
of a deal before Trump was even elected prudent and
Trump that Prutain is so evil, so massively bad, that
he's going to cause as much problem as human possible
before he'll make a deal. And Trump did not anticipate that.
(08:05):
So let's throw him off his game a little bit
Trump with the terrifs and Putin, but certainly he's far
more confident now. And I was in a cabinet meeting
with him and his advisors on Saint Patrick's Day than
he was the first time around.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
Bill, Could I just jump in on that, because I
think that's really interesting. Do you think that Putin may
have underestimated Trump in this exchange? Because it's not looking good?
And I mean that from the optic side of things, right,
I know the deal's not done, nothing's been agreed to formally,
et cetera. But for Putin to do the dramatic escalation
(08:40):
with some of these strikes, maybe dramatic is too strong
a word. Escalation with some of these strikes. While this
is ongoing, I think Trump feels a little slighted personally,
And I just wonder if you think that Putin doesn't
realize slighting Trump personally is not not smart business.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
You know, I am not a psychiatrist, but I have
Vladimir Putin on the cover of my upcoming book, Confronting Evil,
which will be out September ninth. The guy is hardcore.
He enjoys inflicting pain on other people. He's unpredictable, so
(09:18):
it's hard for me to assess his motivation. I can
tell you that Trump was confident because Trump looks at
life in a linear way. If the deal is good,
you take it. Putin doesn't see it that way. Putin
wants to inflict pain on other people. That's what he's
(09:39):
done his whole entire life. I don't know if Trump
understands that. I actually told him that face to face
eight years ago in the first interview he did before
being inaugurated, when I was on Fox News and I said,
(10:00):
this guy, he's a killer, and you know the sound bite.
It's a famous sound bite. He goes, well, we're not
that pure ourselves. That was Trump's answer. Now, I believe
that that Trump knows that he's going to have to
punish Putin in order to get Putin to do anything,
and that strategy is underway.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
How much you said you were in a cabinet meeting
on Saint Patrick's day with Trump.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
How confident are you.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
In Pete Hegseth's stature as the Defense secretary. So far,
Trump has not had to fire anybody in the first
hundred days. I think he wants to set the precedent
that he is not going to listen to the media
at all because they're never happy and they're always demanding
the next head on a platter. How would you assess
(10:49):
heg Seth's status and so far Trump staying behind everybody
that's a part of the cabinet.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
When Hegseth was nominated, I said that was not a
good nomination. You'll remember that. I think we talked about
it on this program. We did, yeah, and the reason
was that most people are working at Pentagon are careerists
their whole life. They work there. They don't want an
agent of change walking in. That's haig Seth. They're going
(11:20):
to try to undermine and destroy him. A stronger person
with more experience could counter that. Hegg Seth can't. Therefore,
he is not going to survive in that job. Now,
your point about Donald Trump not being intimidated by the
hate Trump media is an excellent point and everybody should
(11:40):
understand it. He's not going to look weak. But I
don't believe that mister hegg Seth is going to be
able to run the Pentagon. That will become clear to
the Joint chiefs of Staff, who then tell Donald Trump
if they haven't already you got to get somebody else
(12:02):
in there, and we.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
Ask you Bill also, we're running close up against the breaker,
but I did want to get this in. I'm sure
you saw this. I guess maybe scuttle butt about Vessant
and Elon, two guys with plenty of money and plenty
of ego. I think that's fair to say, really going
at it if you believe the reports. And I haven't
seen anybody. I mean, Caroline Levitt was like, you know,
(12:25):
boys'll be boys, So this wasn't No one has seemed
to suggest this is fake but getting personal, getting nasty
over the irs.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
Director, What do you see here?
Speaker 4 (12:36):
What are the bigger dynamics maybe within the White House
that you think this might allude to? Or is this
just two guys, you know, scoping each other out and
not liking what they see?
Speaker 2 (12:45):
What was this all about?
Speaker 3 (12:47):
I don't know what it was about, but I know
it happened. So you're not going to see much of
Elon Musk this summer, and I think his tenure at
the White House. He still has the President's ear, but
he's not gonna be around very much as it is,
(13:08):
emerging as a very powerful person in the Trump administration.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
What do you think about that?
Speaker 3 (13:18):
I don't know. I'm not early, I don't know. I
do know that he was a moderating force to pull
back on the shock and awe with the tariffs, and
you know that worked. The market stabilized to some extent.
That's a big plus for him.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
What is the one thing you want to see?
Speaker 4 (13:42):
I mean, I'm sure, sorry, I don't want to make
you give up some of what you're going to be
talking to about in a few days, but I think
everyone would expect you'd ask the focus between now and
the fall for Trump. I know there's a lot of
things got to walk into you gum at the same time. Sure,
but if there's one area where he could put real
points on the board in a way that would help
(14:05):
with the momentum to get more of the agenda done,
not losing the midterms, etc. What would you want to
see him? You know, what do you think the most
important area for racking up wins is for this administration?
Speaker 3 (14:18):
Well, if what I am hearing is true, he'll have
deals with India and Japan to announce almost maybe next week,
and if that happens, the EU will follow soon and
Mexico and Canada. Also, if you can get that done
in the month of May, then he'll be riding high again.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (14:41):
And then Bill, where can people go to see the interview?
We're running into break here. We wanted to make sure
everyone knows where can they go? And also Bill Oreilly
dot com for your daily analysis.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
Right, yep, that's the place to go.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
Thanks for having me, guys, All right, thank you so much.
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Were welcome back in play Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate
all of you hanging out with us as we are
rolling through the Friday edition of the program.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
And Buck, you know, I know we were talking with uh.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
We were talking about Hegseth making the decision the right
one to go back and try to get an update
on the COVID nineteen reinstatements, and how important that was.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
I wanted to play this. I had him pull it.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
This is what Fauci was saying, in July of twenty
twenty about what would need to happen in order for
kids to be back in school. I don't want any
of you to forget the lies that we were told.
Listen to the minimum of what teachers needed to be wearing, Perfouci.
Speaker 6 (17:06):
The minimal things you might want to do is you
could use just a mask and eye goggles and possibly gloves. Now,
what you might want to do, if you can, would
be to put something on that you can dispose of
a wash after a class, you know, and some sort
of a garment that you can at the end of
(17:29):
the day take off and not go.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
Home with it.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
That would be reasonable.
Speaker 7 (17:34):
It's reasonable claim to have you take three or four
garbage bags, wrap them around your face.
Speaker 4 (17:42):
Take all the clothing you've ever worn, burn it. Gasoline
helps burn all your clothing. Wrap your face in seven
or eight garbage bags.
Speaker 7 (17:52):
Make sure there's no breadth leaving. Who needs air. There's
COVID out there.
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Oooh, welcome back in Clay, Travis Buck Sexton Show.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
Appreciate all of you hanging out with us. As we are.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
Rolling through the Friday edition of the program, we got
comedian on comedian crime Bill Maher Buck. You did a
show a couple of months ago, went fantastically well has
managed to thread the needle where he's still doing something
a bit rare, which is trying to make fun of
both sides somewhat evenly, which used to be the province
(19:26):
of the David Lettermans and the Johnny Carsons and the
Jay Leno's in that era before everybody went crazy when
Jimmy Fallon rubbed Donald Trump's hair, and since that point
in time, it has been determined that comedians must be
on the side of the anti Trump, anti Maga agenda
as opposed to just continuing to make fun of everybody.
(19:48):
And Larry David, who I like and is the George
character inspiration on Seinfeld and then did a really funny
show called Curb Your Enthusiasm which aired for a decade
worth the shows or.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
More on HBO.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
I like him. I think he's a talented comedian. We
don't have political agreement. And Larry David recently wrote an
essay for The New York Times making fun of Bill
Maher for going to dinner with Trump and comparing it
to going to dinner with Adolph Hitler in the nineteen thirties.
(20:23):
Bill Maher now has responded to the comedy comedian on
comedian crime by this cut cut for talking about Larry
David's essay.
Speaker 8 (20:34):
The minute you played the Hitler kars, you've lost the argument. Yes,
And also I must say, you know, come on, man,
Hitler Nazis no money has been harder about an on
and more prescient I must say about Donald Trump than me.
I don't need to be lectured on who Donald Trump is.
(20:54):
Just the fact that I met him in person didn't
change that. And the fact that I reported on honestlie
is not a sin either. But you know, to use
the Hitler thing, first of all, I just think it's
kind of insulting to six million dead Jews, you know,
like that should kind of be in its own place
(21:17):
in history.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
I think Bill Maher's completely right, and he sounds eminently reasonable.
I know these guys are supposed to be professionally funny,
but when you make the attack that Larry David did,
I think Bill Maher's one hundred percent the right here.
Speaker 4 (21:31):
Yeah, Hitler murdered eleven million people total in the death gams,
eleven million, six million Jews, and you're going to compare
that to Donald Trump, And I think that you're an intelligent,
reasonable person. He's completely right about the people will refer
to this as like the Ad Hitler argument, where you
just oh, he's Hitler, he's Hitler. I think it's interesting
(21:51):
as well. You could argue Mao and or Stalin are
just as bad, and yet people never go to those
historical figures in this country the same way, which I
think there are deep reasons for that, because of the
fondness for left wing Marxist ideology that a lot of
people still have in this country. But anyway, I think
I think it's interesting how Bill has been at mar
(22:14):
has been able to straddle both sides of the aisle
a little bit on this and be one of the
rare shows. Look when he had me on the show
Clay in October, his audience didn't want to hear that
Trump was gonna win, and he knew that I was
going to come in there and say Trump is winning
this election. Guys, Kamalo's a joke, and here's why. And
(22:35):
he let me make that case. And now that Trump
is won, he's continued to have on some some weeks
you know better than others. Some weeks it's a Trump
is terrible week, but he does allow people to make
the case the other side and exposes his audience to
at least a real explanation or a real, you know,
(22:56):
pro Trump version of events.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
And where else does that really occur?
Speaker 9 (23:01):
In?
Speaker 4 (23:02):
This is what's so amazing, Like we've had a lot
of good things happening in the media overall, where I
think now they don't have anywhere near the same stranglehold
on the public consciousness that they used to and determining
what the news cycle is. Where do you see really
good exchanges? And it's not every week on Bill Maher,
don't send me you know, recently there was an episode
(23:22):
my brother told me, He's like, don't watch it, it's garbage,
you know, But some.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
Weeks it's good.
Speaker 4 (23:27):
Where else do you see it? I think it's peery
Piers Morgan would be one, and it's a little bit
more how would I describe it, It's a little bit
more of that's a rock Em Sockem kind of situation.
I enjoy it, but it's got Clay's like, oh, I
like the Rockham Sockam penal.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
I'm like, I'm not surprised.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
Yeah, But but he does try to bring on divergent
perspectives and then people are just throwing punches in every direction,
and so it can have a political Jerry Springer connotation
to it, for lack of a better way to describe it.
But I do think what is super fascinating to me
Buck about the Larry David piece where he compares Trump
(24:09):
to Hitler, and then al Gore went a little bit
viral this week as well, comparing Trump to Hitler. After
all of this, at the end of one hundred days,
we're right back to Trump as Hitler. They don't have anything.
That was how the campaign ended, you know. Coabbla tried
(24:30):
to kind of knock around and say things, and she
didn't really become the best advocate for her cause to
the extent there was one, and she said, you wouldn't
have done anything different than Joe Biden. And she ran
a thoroughly awful campaign which was partly camouflaged by having
one point five billion dollars to average. Can you imagine, Buck,
(24:50):
if you had one point five billion dollars to spend
and the whole goal was just to make people like you.
That's basically the entire aspect of a political campaign.
Speaker 6 (25:02):
Now.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
I know.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
Also you're telling the saying the other side is bad,
but by and large you get to spend a billion
and a half dollars to convince people to like you,
and it didn't work, and they closed with Trump is
Hitler all over again. And now after one hundred days,
they tried out other messages, but ultimately they just have
cycled right back to Trump is Hitler.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
So what do we got?
Speaker 1 (25:25):
Two hundred and sixty five plus three more years on
top of that, so we got basically a thousand days
of Trump is Hitler. That's going to be their only message.
It's really kind of unbelievable that this is where they are.
Speaker 4 (25:39):
You know, a lot of people are saying, people are
saying some people are saying out.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
There, a lot of people are saying that it's going
to be AOC.
Speaker 4 (25:47):
Have you seen that that AOC is going to be
the great hope of the Democrat Party? Oh yeah, of course,
more articles, more and more analysis about this. I know
you think it won't be It won't be a woman,
which is interesting, interesting take on it.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
They won't say it publicly, but in the same way
Buck that I saw people the other day saying, you know,
it's really a no brainer that may or Pete should
be the nominee. And I'm like black dudes are not
voting for a gay white guy. Next man up. I mean,
and I'm sorry, but that when your base of your
party is black voters, and no black voters who are
(26:24):
male by and large are willing to vote for a
gay white guy, he has no hope of being elected
president of the United I think, though, if you talk
to a Democrat strategist, someone who's a Democrat who works
on these campaigns, you know, people that we come across
in the media, you know, you know the names, they
would put it differently, but agree with your analysis of
(26:46):
Mayor Pete's weakness among certain demographics. In the Democrats, they
just would say the truth bluntly. I'm telling the truth
bluntly on women too. They won't say it publicly, but no, but.
Speaker 4 (26:56):
I think they would just I think they would, even
behind closed door, disagree with you on the woman thing.
I think that they would believe that that the the
problem hasn't been running a woman candidate. The problem has
been the woman candidate. Again, speaking from the Democrat mindset,
I don't think that they would say it's it's that
they ran a woman. Is that the women that they
(27:18):
ran were not up to the we're not up to
the task. And look, Hillary was super close to winning
I mean, I know, I mean.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
Far away from winning either. I just think but.
Speaker 4 (27:28):
Even in the even if you look at this, like
Trump did better against Commall than he did against Hillary. Right, yeah,
Hillary was close, it was a it was a pretty
close election.
Speaker 10 (27:38):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (27:38):
Trump just ran the table exactly where he needed to.
So I don't think anyone's gonna look at that and say, oh,
we couldn't get a stronger female candidate across the finish line.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
I don't think they're gonna pick you. Look at what
they did. Is it Dudes Forever?
Speaker 6 (27:52):
Then?
Speaker 2 (27:53):
Is that? Just look at Clay Travis just Forever?
Speaker 1 (27:55):
That sounds like today on the show, Dudes Forever sounds
like one of the worst nineties boy band, like a
new podcast.
Speaker 4 (28:03):
What it was in the Dudes? There's a Dudes on Dudes,
Dudes on Dudes. Yeah, that's a I think that's Grenkowski
and Edelman. But look, I think I think actually a
Republican woman has a better chance of winning because I
think the problem that Democrats have when they put forward
a woman is it makes almost immediately the entire election
(28:26):
a referendum on abortion and I think that even for
motivating women, I think Kamala learned in twenty twenty four.
You watch her closing arguments, what was Trump is hitler?
And not only is he hitler. If you get pregnant,
he's going to drag you out of your home by
your hair and make you have a baby.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
And what is interesting is Trump did better with women
in twenty twenty four than he did in twenty sixteen
or in twenty twenty. I think abortion is fading as
an issue because it's now a state issue, and I
think that women candidates almost feel compelled Democrats to make
abortion their signature issue, and I don't think it's a
(29:09):
signature enough issue for the nation anymore.
Speaker 4 (29:11):
I always thought that the pro abortion, pro Roe side
of the argument was wildly overstating how much of an
impact it would have on elections. And I think we
actually just saw that beyond any doubt in this election
in the midterms, because of when the decision came down, right,
wasn't it June and then the midterms were that fall.
(29:34):
People didn't know, that's right, that what they were being
told was a lie. So the Democrats got away with
exactly what you said. They're going to pull your you know,
your fifteen year old daughter, you know, out of your
house and make her have the baby that she wasn't
planning on.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
You know, all these things, right, all the.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
Stories that you were fear bongering, the things that would
motivate middle of the.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
Road female voters.
Speaker 4 (29:55):
There were some people who might have said, Oh my gosh,
I'm concerned, what is this going to mean? All of
that stuff was a lie, And if you just live
in reality, you know that that's a lie. And so
that's why I think if it had happened a year sooner,
the decision, I think you would have had even less
impact in the midterms. But because of the timeline, they
were able to lie about it and get away with it.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
But that's over.
Speaker 4 (30:17):
And the truth is, how do you motivate people in
states where you know, if you live in a state
and you know you're somebody who the law hasn't actually
changed in that state, it's very hard in a meaningful way.
It's very hard to convince people that something terrible has happened. Right,
I mean not only that, buck, just look at where
people are moving. All of the states with the most
(30:37):
liberal abortion laws are losing population. To the states with
the least liberal abortion laws. Now, if people truly felt
like that was a signature, oh my goodness issue, you
wouldn't be moving from Chicago to Florida, or New York
City to Nashville, or LA to Austin, Texas. You would
(30:58):
be saying, well, we've got to keep our families in
these states because abortion policy matters so much to me. Instead,
you're seeing the exact opposite of that, which is the
more liberal that is basically nine month plus abortion laws,
the more those states are losing population. You know, we're
talking about this right now, and it's a perfect time
(31:19):
to remind everybody that there's a fight every day to
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Speaker 4 (33:23):
All right, welcome back into Clay and Buck. Clay's got
his interview with Tom Holman coming up here to get
really deep into the efforts to enforce immigration law and
to continue to secure our border. So you're gonna want
to dive in with him in just a few moments.
I've got to go tend to some family matters because
I've got my whole family here and I got to
go help out and you know, change diapers and do
(33:44):
all those good things I got now with the little man,
which a lot of fun and with that actually a
good time for the talkback here. D D Tom from
New York City who listens on w o R.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
Play it.
Speaker 9 (33:55):
Oh fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck you just did it?
Just you wait you're gonna see that when that baby
gets a little bit older, he's gonna want to stay awake,
and you're gonna be used to him going to sleep,
and you're gonna be tired.
Speaker 6 (34:18):
Buck.
Speaker 9 (34:20):
Congratulations, it's wonderful.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
Thank you, Tom.
Speaker 4 (34:24):
Tom's People who don't know you may have jinks things
by saying the first couple of weeks your son had
been sleeping pretty well. Yeah, oh, I'm aware that I
might have jinxed it, but I'm all I can do
is report back. Honestly. People can ask me like, are
you okay, I'm like, I'm fine. Like, first of all,
as I said, Carrie's doing ninety five percent of baby,
(34:45):
you know, baby things that need to be done, she's
doing ninety I mean, I help out as I can,
but she's she's amazing on that front. And so yeah,
I think, so far, so good. Cindy in Mount Vernon, Ohio,
the different Mount Verdon. What's going on, Cindy Buck good? Yes,
it's Buckuck.
Speaker 10 (35:05):
I am so thrilled. I love Crockett coffee. My favorite
gift was a bag of Crockett coffee and a Daddy's
Home mug with Donald Trump's mug on it. I love it.
Speaker 4 (35:18):
Can you Can you take a photo of you with
your Donald Trump mug drinking Crockett and put it out
on social media.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
We can share it around so everybody can see the
good I.
Speaker 10 (35:24):
Don't even have it. I'm so our cake. I can
take an old kind and if you if I didn't
even know your address, I can get that through somebody.
I'm not a stalker. I'm not a creepy.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
It's okay.
Speaker 4 (35:35):
You can send it into the studio in New York.
They'll give you the address and then we'll we can
upload it. Uh, and we can get that go. But
that's where we love it. You love Crockett, coffee and
Donald Trump a fantastic combination. And Cindy, thank you so
much for calling it. Thank you for listening. We'll take
one more here. Dave in Pennsylvania. What's going on?
Speaker 2 (35:52):
Dave? Oh, he's gone. Well I should have stayed. I
should have stayed with Cindy. Who is who? Tom and
New York? Don in New York, Don in New York.
Go for it. Yeah, I don't think I have enough time.
Can you can you get back to me after the hour.
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (36:11):
Man Clay's taking over Clay your call, buddy, what do
you want to do?
Speaker 1 (36:14):
Well, we got Tom Holman coming on. I guess we
can have you wait on. I mean I've never we've
never had anybody request.
Speaker 4 (36:23):
To come on later. How how time do you need
don give us? Like as a ballpark here? What are
we talking about? Two minutes?
Speaker 7 (36:29):
Did you say people well work for?
Speaker 9 (36:34):
Sut you up?
Speaker 2 (36:35):
Yeah? I did?
Speaker 3 (36:37):
All right?
Speaker 4 (36:37):
Yeah, I want to talk to you about that. Yeah,
I got a theory on that.
Speaker 3 (36:40):
I'll wait. That's all right, I'll talk to you after
home's over.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
Clay h enjoying the conversation. Have a good weekend, Buck,
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