April 24, 2025 • 36 mins
Hour 2 of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show features an engaging conversation with Dana Perino from Fox News, discussing her new book, "I Wish Someone Had Told Me: The Best Advice for Building a Great Career and a Meaningful Life." Dana shares insights on career advice, personal growth, and the importance of taking risks, drawing from her experiences as White House Press Secretary and her current role at Fox News. The hosts and Dana also touch on the NFL Draft, adding a lighthearted element to the discussion.
Dana emphasizes the significance of work-life balance and the value of meaningful personal relationships, recounting her own story of meeting her husband on an airplane. The conversation highlights the challenges young professionals face and offers practical advice for navigating career transitions and personal development.
The hour continues with Clay and Buck discussing the ongoing conflict between Russia and Ukraine, focusing on the complexities of the negotiations and the frustrations expressed by President Trump. They analyze the geopolitical implications and the potential for a prolonged conflict, drawing parallels to historical conflicts like the Korean War.
The hosts also delve into the tensions between India and Pakistan, exploring the recent terrorist attack in Kashmir and the subsequent actions taken by India, including cutting off water supplies to Pakistan. They discuss the potential for escalation and the broader impact on regional stability.
The hour concludes with a humorous segment on the height preferences in relationships, sparked by Dana's comments about her husband's height, and a listener call sharing a unique story of meeting his wife on a Greyhound bus.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Second hour of Clay and Buck kicks off. Now we're
gonna take a few moments to chat with our friend
Dana Pirino of Fox News. You all know her. She's
got a book that just came out this week. I
wish someone had told me the best advice for building
a great career and a meaningful life. And perhaps we'll
even get her to weigh in on flutes versus fifes
(00:23):
and other fascinating conversations today on the show. Dana, thank
you so much for being here.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Hey, I thought you were having me on to talk
about the NFL draft.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Oh no, that's my data, that's my area of expertise.
Maybe you and I can do a whole segment where
we discussed the draft. Because Clay had to tell me
that this was even happening, so I had zero idea,
but now fully.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
I love the idea Dana read Sports is one of
my favorite parts of Fox News. I love the idea
of Dana and Buck try to figure out sports related
issues like you guys, just with no help, just come
together and try to determine some sports related conclusion.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
I got a week. I really loved the I love
watching the NFL Draft because I liked watching all the
people like like in the families and like their excitement.
I think that's so fun. And live tweeting the draft
is some one of my favorite things to do, so
I'm gonna make sure I'm doing that tonight. Like who
wouldn't want to? Like? Who wouldn't want to live in Arizona?
That sounds fun? They got cute uniforms too.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
Yes, I'll just tell you I've actually never seen the draft,
so I think we've established that Dana's knowledge clay of
this exceed mind substantially. I've never watched an NFL draft
in my life, so maybe tonight will be my first time.
Dana tell us about about the book a little bit here.
I mean, you have a you've had a huge career.
You were White House Press secretary under Bush. Now you're
at the five Fox doing all this amazing stuff. What's
(01:47):
the book telling everybody out there?
Speaker 2 (01:49):
So it's called I Wish someone had told me the
best advice for building a great career and a meaningful life.
And I've done a book before called everything Will Be Okay.
And actually I remember you all had just started your
show together, and when that book came out, you had
me on and it was such a fun conversation. I
remember exactly where I was standing and where we did that.
(02:10):
And that book was really targeted to young women going
through their quarter life crisis. This book is post COVID
and it is not geared just to young women. I
made it much more broad based. And also because I
have advanced in years since when I left the White House,
a lot of people that I mentored back then are
still coming to me for advice, and they've become executives,
(02:31):
moms and dads. They are looking for the next step
in their life. They're making big career transitions, and so
I realized I didn't have all the answers myself. I
interviewed over forty people, many the people here at Fox
News and like Gutfeld, Harold Ford, Junior, Jesse Waters, Sandra Smith,
Jimmy Fayla, you name it there in here, but also
(02:52):
like my college roommate, my husband, and Derek Spentley. That's
why I was thinking of I think of Nashville, and
I mean Clay Travis, Nashville, Dirk Spentley to talk to
them everything from how to start, how to get your
foot in the door, how to get a promotion, how
to be intentional with your time and a work life balance,
(03:13):
and I know Buck your new dad, and yes, all
of this is I'm sure you'll be able to write
a book of advice for dads anytime soon.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
Oh I would, I would love that. But I have
to tell you, Dana, as I'm talking to you. It's
always reassuring when I find out that my wife is
actually listening to the show, and she texted me and says,
make sure you tell Dana that I got a lot
out of her book Everything will Be Okay. So Carrie
Sexton is a fan of book one and now will
be a fan of your most recent book.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
I am sure your wife is so lovely. Well, you
know I love hearing that. And one thing I did
find out, guys, is when Everything Will Be Okay came out,
it was a big success. Everybody loved it, but they
were younger guys. Especially around here at Fox. We're like,
what about one for us? And there's been insatiable need
of young people who they really want to be successful,
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and they're just looking for us to give them the blueprint,
and we don't have the answers. Of course, one of
the best things that I've learned and that I could
pass on is that I really worried away my twenties
for no reason. I was so trying to plan out
my life, and everything that happened great in my life
is not because I planned it. And if you aren't
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educated American, you already won life's great lottery. And so
all you have to decide is how hard do you
want to work?
Speaker 3 (04:32):
I think that's so well said, and thanks for coming on, Dana.
I had a professor at Vanderbilt Law School, Larry Soderquist,
who has since passed, but he was an incredible business professor.
And his big thing to us when we were in
law school. And I'm sure there's some kids out there
that are going to grad school or you're going to
take the bar exam soon coming up this summer, and
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he said, you are already set. He said, you guys
have done the hard work of getting into law school.
He said, the question you have to decide going forward
with your legal careers is how do you want to
work this.
Speaker 4 (05:08):
Law degree?
Speaker 3 (05:08):
He said, But you're never going to be homeless, you're
never going to be hungry. The big concerns in life
you have taken care of and you should think about
that more than you do all of you. And I
thought that perspective was super important, and I think it
reflects upon what you said where there are a lot
of kids out there in their twenties. They get out
of school, they get out of grad school, they have
(05:28):
these quarter life crises I had won myself, and they
wonder what else is out there? And I think this
is an important lesson that you're trying to teach them,
is that one you're still going to be trying to
figure out a lot of things when you're in your thirties, forties, fifties,
and sixties. Nobody has all the answers, but you're probably
going to be okay.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
Oh absolutely. And one of my favorite mentors was President Bush,
and I remember he would talk about the importance of
not being so risk averse, that America was built on
people willing to take a risk and to be pioneers.
And I think about Elon Musk right, like he takes
risks all the time, like landing rockets on chopsticks. But
(06:12):
because he was able to, he was willing to take
a risk, you can get great reward. And I remember
I was really hesitant to start my own business after
I left the White House because I had a million
reasons that were stupid really looking back, and the President
said to me, ask yourself this, what is the worst
thing that could happen to you if it fails? So
I sort of hemmed and had for a minute, and
(06:32):
he said, so you're telling me the worst thing that
could happen to you, an educated American woman who was
the White House Press secretary, start throwing business. Say it fails,
and the worst thing you have to do is go
back and work for another PR firm. That's the worst thing.
And he said, I'm not persuaded by that. And that's
really helpful to me. I learned from doctor Samantha Boordman.
When people are dealing with anxiety, and of course, of
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course we all do, and also we're surrounded by young
people who have a lot of it, you ask yourself,
what's the worst thing that happened, and what's the best
thing that could happen? And usually what happens is somewhere
in the middle, and it can calm you down pretty quickly.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
Yes, I think there's an old quote from one of
the great stoics that we suffer more in imagination than reality.
It might have been Seneca or it's one of them.
So it's a version. You know, Dane is updating it
for the twenty first century. But this is very true.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
See Waters when I interviewed him for this book. Jesse
Waters talks about the Stoics as well in this book.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
Well, Jesse Waters and I are apparently brothers from another mother.
I had no idea fun fact. Jesse doesn't even know this,
but maybe he was in I think it was like
an English one oh one class at Trinity College with
my older brother at one point, to give your sense
to what a small world it was. Then Mason transferred
went to a different school. But yes, Jesse and I
have did give me the tea. Yeah, Jesse and I
(07:48):
have in Ship's passing. Then Mason assures me he might
have popped his collar, but he was a very nice guy.
But yes, we've got Dana Perino with us right now,
and she's got a new book out which you guys
should all check out, and her books have been huge
successes up to this point. So what's you know if
you're looking now for the people out there who are
(08:09):
going to be grabbing this book. If there's one thing
that you want them to really take out of it today,
or rather one thing that they would read, and you
hope they could apply to their lives as soon as possible. Dan,
And what would that be.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
Well, I think we've covered a lot of it, and
especially what I'm hoping is that when people read this,
they will realize they don't need to worry as much.
One of the reasons that you seek out a book
like this is because you're trying to get some answers
the things that are bothering you. So I'm hoping that
that is true. But I would also pass on this advice.
Most of the mentees that come to see me, they
are definitely interested in professional guidance, but they also are
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looking for meaningful personal lives. They would love to meet somebody,
they want to get married, they want to have families,
and they want to find a work life balance that
will allow them to have a great, wonderful, meaningful life.
And my experience was unusual. I met my husband an
airplane twenty eight years ago, and there's a million reasons
why we might not have met, or that we could
(09:05):
have talked ourselves out of it. But choosing to be
loved is not a career limiting decision. It actually made
all the difference for me. And I'm hoping that young
people can take that away and realize that investing in
yourself in a commitment is a great way to enhance
your life and your career.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
I got a wait, I got a reverse for a second. Here,
take us into this. This is a this is a
great story of romance. You met your husband on a plane, Like,
what was the first move?
Speaker 4 (09:32):
Here?
Speaker 1 (09:32):
Did he skill his his peanuts or his Seltzer and
your lap?
Speaker 2 (09:36):
Like?
Speaker 1 (09:36):
How did he get this going?
Speaker 5 (09:38):
Well?
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Okay, so it was nineteen ninety seven, So let's go
on the way way back machine. Nobody had phones, nobody
had air pods. Okay. So I was carrying a book.
I was working for a congressman. I was coming back
from washing from Denver, going Denver Chicago, Chicago, DC. And
I was on an American airline slight. I almost missed
the plane because it was my first time driving out
to the new Denver International Airport, which might as well
(10:00):
be in Kansas, it's so far away. And so the
last two people to get on the plane were myself
and this guy. And I sat down in the window
seat and he said, would you like me to put
your bag up above British accent strong, move strong, Yeah,
the accents. Accents are helpful. No wedding ring handsome. And
(10:24):
he had a book called The Tailor of Panama by
John McCarey. I said, oh, I said, do you like
that book? So we started talking about books and for
two and a half hours. We talked for a long time.
I remember asking him what do people in Europe think
about Bill Clinton? And he said they think he's a clown.
And I was like, oh, wow, we're going to get
along great. But then I remember looking at the window
(10:45):
and saying a prayer to God that I know I
asked you to help me find someone. But he's much
older than me, he lives in England. My career is
on the right track. I didn't think I would meet
somebody on an airplane, but I couldn't eat, sleep, drink,
concentrate anything after I met him, and about six weeks
(11:05):
later we had our first date when he was back
in the States in New Orleans, and six months later
I moved to England. Twenty eight years ago.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
Wow, what was the reaction when you told people I'm
just kind of curious. Hey, I'm going to move to England.
I met a guy on an airplane.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Okay, so you hit the nail on the head of
One of the reasons I wrote the book because one
of the things I worried about in my twenties was
how am I going to get a job, How will
I succeed? How will I pay my bills?
Speaker 1 (11:33):
Then?
Speaker 2 (11:34):
How am I going to meet somebody? How am I
going to meet? Then? What are people going to think
about me for wanting to be with this man who
is much older than me lived in England and that
I'm leaving my job and career to go live in
England and who knows what's going to happen to me? Yeah,
And I worried myself to death. And this a woman
of a family friend that don't give up on this chance.
Speaker 5 (11:53):
To be loved?
Speaker 1 (11:55):
And is there something in their data? What one superpower
that I've learned is to not care what people think
who don't matter to you, you know.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
But you know what's so interesting is that we have
to learn this lesson over and over again. It's because
your parents teach you that when you're young, or maybe
you learn it in Sunday school or from a teacher
or from other friends. And all of these young people
are always thinking about what others are thinking about them
and how they're being judged. And what I remind them
is that actually we all just think about ourselves all
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the time. Somebody has time to think about you.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
And by the way, especially in a social media age,
people are even more obsessed about how they're being perceived
than they would have been in the past.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
Quick, Ques, wait, can I ask her a question, Jana,
do you think that? Do you think that? Women? I'm
putting you on the hot seat a little bit here.
Everybody loves data. Pirno, everyone's gonna love this book. You're
on the hot seat. Now. Do women in this era
care too much about men's height?
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Gosh, you know, I am barely I'm not even quite
five foot one, So even Felt is a little tall
to me, just kidding, he is not tall to me.
The woman charts too much about he? I mean maybe,
I mean I know that it's sort of it depends,
like I don't you don't see.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
A lot of how tall is your husband, Dana, how
tall is your husband? Let's just let's just go through.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
This about I would say five to ten.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
Okay, this is like he's like tall, but not you know,
you didn't date like you're not a five to one
lady who married a six foot five guy. We've had
some conversations on the show recently about this.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
He's tall for someone from Scotland. How about that?
Speaker 1 (13:32):
Fair enough? Fair enough?
Speaker 3 (13:34):
Yeah, I don't even know if that's just a shot
at Scottish men. By the way, that you just I
wouldn't have been tall for someone from Scottish.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
Men are short? Is this true?
Speaker 2 (13:43):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (13:44):
Yeah, there's the book. By the way, is fabulous. I
have met her husband. He is fabulous. Dana has taken
us out.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
He would probably radio show.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
He is great, he is fantastic.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
Well, hey, by the way, you're listening to a guy
who get canceled at any moment, no idea what might
happen from one second.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
To the next.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
The book, the book is wish someone one had told
and Dana Perino go buy it.
Speaker 4 (14:09):
You're gonna like it.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
Dana.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
We appreciate the time you do. Fantastic for it. Till
ber we said high, thank you. Same to you, Clay.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
I was struck by something as we're talking to Dana,
who who it is true? Everybody My wife loves Dana
everybody loves Dana. Her book is fantastic. I'm sure the
last book was fantastic. I have a book title for
you for your next book, because we know the topic.
I have a title for you. Do you want me
to tell you the title now or when we come back.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
I want to hear your title when we come back.
We've got a title for the book, and it's probably
not going to surprise you, but I'm curious if your
title is somewhat similar to the title.
Speaker 4 (14:45):
We've got an idea.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
Now that you're telling me this, I feel like it
could be, but you have just to be clear. Clay
has not told me the title of his forthcoming book.
I have a title in mind for him, and I
think some of you are really going to like it.
So that's what we call it. Ease in the business.
Uh And if you switch, is it me or you?
Who's supposed to know? It's me? It's me?
Speaker 4 (15:04):
Oh, I blew it.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
Sorry, the leaf blowers are throwing you off, buddy, I
need something. The leaf blowers just track me everywhere. I
hate those guys.
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Welcome back in Play Travis Buck Sexton Show.
Speaker 4 (17:04):
A little bit of a quick turn here.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
By the way, I want to say, Dana Perino maybe
the nicest person on air at Fox News, but if
she had to get into a royal rumble with the
other nicest person in my experience, Shannon Breem versus Dana
Perino for the title of nicest person on the air
at Fox News would be like the Jordan Lebron debate
of the Fox News era. But they are the two
(17:27):
nicest people on the planet.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
Would I would concur they're two of the nicest people
I've come across in this in this business and just
in general. But Clay, your book is going to be
about masculinity in America today. I think your book title
should be the First Amendment. And dudes, that's good.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
You are going to be It's The book title is
going to be Buck balls b a lls, How Trump
won men, And all it has on the cover is
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This is what.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
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Speaker 1 (19:02):
We've got the market doing pretty well today, which I
think goes to some of the anxiety that the media
is trying to create about the Trump economy. So that's
one thing that I think we can at least take
a moment here and look at. But Clay, you know,
the Trump there's other negotiations happening, not just on tariffs
(19:25):
and the economy, but on Russia and Ukraine. Now there's
some reporting that came out Senator Mark, I'm sorry. Secretary
of State Marco Rubio has said that the reporting is
total trash, that they basically saying that they were willing
to give all kinds of concessions to Russia, and they're
trying to take a shot at the Trump team that
(19:47):
is negotiating with Putin. There was some there were some
major strikes rocket rocket attack against Kiev or Kiev we're
supposed to say like different ways, right, but keV that
have killed a number of people at Trump is ticked
off about this. He has been sounding the well sounding
(20:10):
not the alarm so much as just letting people know
that letting Putin know this is unacceptable to him. But
there's also frustration with the Zelenski side of thing, clay
because there's reporting that Zelenski does not want to give
up officially Crimea, which has been under Russian control and
(20:31):
has been a part of a fully functioned part of
the Russian Federation now for many years before this administration
even came along. It goes back to the goes back
to the Obama administration. So here is here is Caroline Levit,
white House Press secretary, talking about this plate seventeen.
Speaker 8 (20:51):
In order to make a good deal, both sides have
to walk away a little bit unhappy, and unfortunately President
Zelensky has been trying to litigate this peace negotiation negotiation
in the press, and that's unacceptable to the president. He
should be closed door negotiations. The President's national security team,
his advisors, has exuded significant time, energy, and effort to
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try to bring this war to an end. The American
taxpayer has funded billions of dollars in this effort, and
enough is enough. The President's frustrated.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
His patience is.
Speaker 8 (21:21):
Running very thin. He wants to do what's right for
the world. He wants to see peace, he wants to
see the killing stop. But you need both sides of
the war willing to do that, and unfortunately President Zelensky
seems to be moving in the wrong direction.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
It's not looking great for the negotiations right now. Let's
just say what's going on here, Clay. It's still early,
but it's looking like this is there's a distance between
the combatants on what a negotiation would look like, and
Trump is getting frustrated with both sides.
Speaker 4 (21:51):
I think that's right, and here's what we told you.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
This is how this ends. There's gonna be a new
line drawn. You can argue about it however you want
to argue about it. I fail to see at this point,
and I would love to have Zelensky on. I'd love
to have putin on what is the point of continuing
to fight? We essentially have both sides dug in. The
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lines are not moving very much. To the extent that
they are moving, it is a slowly inch by inch,
yard by yard style advancement from Russia. Ukraine is depleted significantly.
One thing they decided to do buck and I don't
know that we've talked about it that much on the program,
but based on the lessons.
Speaker 4 (22:37):
Of World War One and World War.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
Two, they actually have tried to not take eighteen to
twenty five year old men to fight, because when an
eighteen to twenty five year old man dies, most of
the time those men have not had kids yet. It's
very sad to think about, but that wiped out entire
generations of population in Europe because so many young men
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who had not become fathers were the first to be drafted.
And Ukraine in some way is balancing that out by
basically taking men twenty five to forty five, of which.
Speaker 4 (23:11):
There are almost none left. And what is the play here?
Speaker 3 (23:15):
I really think that media need to be holding Vladimir
Zolensky accountable here and I don't mean because I think
he's the bad guy in any way. I think Russia
is the aggressor. We all know that. But what is
Zolensky hoping for at this point? What are his strategic
goals and ambitions? It doesn't seem to me like there
(23:38):
are any buck I mean, can you even what is
he trying to get? He's not going to get NATO,
He's not going to get the return of the border
that existed prior to Russia's invasion. What are his reachable
goals at this point, now that tens of thousands, if
not hundreds of thousands of his fellow countrymen are dead.
(23:59):
I just don't understand what the war's continuing. Well, I
think that in his mind, their perpetuation of the war
one means that he stays in power. Right they have
under the Ukrainian constitution, they cannot have elections during a war.
We've heard this many times. This is why he's declared
martial law.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
And there's no way that anyone's going to be able
to take over from him while that's going on. So
there's that incentive that I think has to be remembered
as we're talking about what he seeks to have happened here,
and Clay, I think that there's just it's a little
bit like the US and Afghanistan, to be honest with you,
where the idea was, if we just keep this going,
(24:39):
maybe things will get better. And that was not true
in Afghanistan. That was not true. I was in Afghanistan
in twenty ten. Talk about it a little bit of
the book, by the way, and.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
What is the title of your book? By the way,
what's the official title? Have you talked or title or
still title? Not official yet.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
We're still there's a couple of things that are getting
in place, but it will be It's very It is
definitely very It's a it's a different vibe than balls.
This is gonna be very play. And I may have
books coming out roughly around the same time, and Clay's
is gonna be like very was. Play's gonna be a
(25:18):
lot of fun and it's gonna be very kind of
in mind. Is gonna be like a guy with a
tweed jacket on and you know, like a pipe pipe.
Speaker 4 (25:26):
You got the you've got the what's the elbow pads
on the tweet jacket two.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
So we're we're going in different directions here. On, so
that that's good. But look, I think I think that
what you have with Afghanistan was a plan that was
never going to get better. But nobody wanted to be
the one that stopped it. Nobody wanted to be the
one that said, you know what, everything that came before
this didn't get us to where we want to be.
It becomes very deeply psychologically ingrained. Right, well, if we
(25:53):
just keep fighting, maybe there'll be a better day ahead.
So why don't we just keep fighting? I think that's
where Zelenski is on this. And now you could say, rationally,
in what world? The only one that I can see
is if the United States and NATO actually get drawn
into the conflict in some way, which is what we
are trying to avoid at all costs.
Speaker 4 (26:11):
Right.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
But he can't say that publicly, right, He can't say that.
He can't say, well, if you guys create a protectorate
of Ukraine against Russia, then we'll get a better deal.
I don't see how militarily, though, there's any option for
him other than that that puts him in a better spot.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
I agree, and it feels to me like maybe we're
headed towards some perpetually unresolved conflict almost like exists still
in North Korea and South Korea where they have the
de militarized zone. Both sides have substantial facilities on the
either side of the de militarized zone. But I believe
I'm correct. You probably know off the top of your head,
(26:48):
we've never had an official peace in Korea, right. They
just basically have kind of ended the war, but I
think technically they are still considered to be in conflict.
There was no Grand Peace Accord that has.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
Been technically in a state of war at whatever is
the thirty eighth parallel.
Speaker 4 (27:05):
So for some part of me thinks that that might
end up being the resolution. In Ukraine.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
I don't think it's ideal, but you have some sort
of security guarantee based on the mineral Rights agreement that
we have discussed, which provides Ukraine some belief that the
United States will help to provide security in addition with
all the European countries, and then Russia feels like they
have this territory. Now you know, the real danger to Ukraine,
(27:31):
and I felt this all along if you look at
the map, is if Russia decides to try and take
away Ukraine's ability to reach the water right there. Basically
you would landlock them, and they've kind of taken away
a huge percentage of it through crimea and more.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
Yes, well, the geography here matters a whole lot, speaking
of water and taking it away. We haven't discussed this
yet on the show, but you may have seen some
of the headlines between India and Pakistan, two countries that
have a long history of really hating each other and
have nuclear weapons pointed at each other, and there was
(28:07):
just a major terrorist attack in the Kashmir is this
disputed region between India and Pakistan, and there have been
there's a long hit. We've never really talked about this
in the show. There's a long history here Kashmiri militants,
particularly Pakistan likes to train these different terrorist groups that
operate there in India, and that they've been going at
it here for a long time, firing artillery at each other.
(28:30):
They're militaries and in some places this is you're amazed
that human beings are even up as high as they
are fighting. I mean, this is like you think it
would just be mountain goats up there. I mean they
are way up, you know, eight ten thousand twelve thousand
feet elevation. They're firing artillery rounds at each other, and
there is now a the the president of our Prime
(28:55):
Minister of India, India has come out and said we're
going to fight and find the terrorists wherever they are are.
They've cut off water to Pakistan. It's by understanding through
the Indus River and the entire Pakistani well. A huge
percentage of the Pakistani workforce is still agriculture based, and
(29:18):
this is not a country that can afford to have
a lot of its agriculture cut off. So we're not
even talking about I just made me think of this clake.
We're not even really focused on this right now that
much in the West. But if you're talking about a place,
it is far more likely. And I hate having to
say this out loud, but it is true. It is
(29:38):
far more likely that you would see a major escalation
and a nuclear exchange between India and Pakistan than anything
going on right now in Russia, in my opinion, between
the United States and Russia, like these are two countries
where if one side thinks they got the upper hand
of the other side tactical nuclear weapons, I think the
likelihood of that is higher than any feared escalation between
(30:01):
the United States and Russia with nukes. I think that
we've had a longstanding, you know, daytent with Russia Soviet
Union before that, ever, nukes Clay Indian Pakistan. These countries
hate each other. I mean just there's a long standing
history of these countries are at each other's throats. Their
entire militaries are basically squared off the border from each
(30:22):
other between the two countries. So think about it that way.
Speaker 3 (30:26):
And this is why ultimately the Iran decision and North
Korea and all these other countries, right, I mean, you
understand why they want nukes, And this is why I'm
not optimistic unfortunately that we're suddenly going to get a
deal with Iran where we feel like, oh, you know what,
the world's a safer place. It feels to me like
(30:47):
they're going to lie about everything having to do with
their nuclear weapons policy because it makes sense, right logically
for them to lie and get them.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
Just soever knows. India has told all Pakistani nationals to
they had twenty four hours to get out of the country,
so they're like, get the bleep out of here. This
is national pile, this is happening right now. They have
cut off the waters of the Indus River because they
have you know, the dams and locks and things. They've
cut off water which in which Pakistan by treaty, is
(31:20):
supposed to have access to and needs for its agriculture.
It's a little you know, if this continued, it would
cut off it would destroy their ability to feed themselves
the country. So these are big These are big moves now.
And Kashmir, I think twenty six people were killed. Twenty
six India nationals were killed. So there was just a
mass casualty terror attack in Kashmir. India believes Pakistans, Pakistan
(31:42):
is behind it. India believes Pakistan's behind it, and India
is taking really aggressive steps right now. So you know,
it's just interesting how we all get so focused on
what's going on in this region or that region. This
is getting barely a mentioned in most of the US media.
And if you were asking me, where is the likeliest
place for a really nasty war to break out where
(32:04):
both sides have nukes and I think would be willing
to use them under certain circumstances. It's this part of
the world right now, and no one's even talking about it,
so you know, Trump's got is handsful. I think Jade
Vance was just in India this week, and we're hoping
that there's going to be a treaty between or a
tariff rather agreement between the US and India. I think
there's early Charlie Gasparino was reporting this morning that there
(32:27):
looks like there's some agreement on that. So, you know,
multi are a billion plus person country that's going to
have a better trade relationship with the US. Seems like
a very So that's on the positive side of things.
Speaker 3 (32:39):
If JD Vance were a Democrat, Usha Vance going to
India would have been a huge story because her family
is of Indian ancestry. But as is, it got almost
no attention. Think about how much attention that would have
gotten otherwise. They almost didn't pay attention to it at all.
(33:01):
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Welcome back in play Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate everybody
hanging out with us, uh, Andy and Saint Paul Minnesota.
I Dana Prino said that her husband was tall for
a Scotsman. Is this drue our Scottish men know to
be short?
Speaker 1 (35:00):
Andy?
Speaker 5 (35:02):
Yeah, that's actually true. I'm actually only five foot one,
but I am I am anatomically shaped like an actual
human being though.
Speaker 3 (35:13):
So so you are a five foot one Scotsman who
would say that that Dana Perino is right when she
says that men are short in Scotland. And you met
your wife on a Greyhound bus.
Speaker 5 (35:27):
Man a grehand bus and floor than nineteen.
Speaker 4 (35:29):
Ninety How long was your greyhound bus ride?
Speaker 5 (35:35):
So I was traveling from Orlando to Montana. She was
going from Orlando to Chicago.
Speaker 4 (35:43):
Hold on, you went Orlando to Montana on a greyhound bus?
Speaker 3 (35:48):
Hell?
Speaker 5 (35:48):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (35:49):
What did that take?
Speaker 2 (35:50):
Like?
Speaker 4 (35:50):
Nine days?
Speaker 5 (35:53):
No? I think it was like fifteen sixteen hours or
something like that.
Speaker 3 (35:56):
But it's gonna be way more than hold on, and
let's unless the bus took off like Hogwarts style. It
had to take way more. It had to take way
more than fifteen or sixteen hours to go Orlando to
Montana on a greyhound bus.
Speaker 5 (36:11):
I'm just saying it was a long time ago, right,
and it took a long time.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
Then.
Speaker 5 (36:15):
Poor part is when I stopped and pump to this
check on the bus, I thought, well, I'm going to
go back to Scotland like about a week, right, So
if I don't play the big move, I'm never going
to see it again. So but ten I was end
of the trip. I was like, hey, do you want
to get married to the Scotland at Christmas?
Speaker 2 (36:31):
And he says yeah, sure.
Speaker 5 (36:33):
So we get married that year nineteen ninety December twenty eighth,
and we're still married and there'll be a thirty fifth
anniversary this coming Christmas.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
I love this guy, but I need subtitles for this call. Yes,
think that's amazing.
Speaker 3 (36:47):
Buck Mett his wife on a greyhound bus, proposed to
or after ten hours. That could have gone a lot
worse based on the greyhound buses I've seen
Second hour of Clay and Buck kicks off. Now we're
gonna take a few moments to chat with our friend
Dana Pirino of Fox News. You all know her. She's
got a book that just came out this week. I
wish someone had told me the best advice for building
a great career and a meaningful life. And perhaps we'll
even get her to weigh in on flutes versus fifes
(00:23):
and other fascinating conversations today on the show. Dana, thank
you so much for being here.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Hey, I thought you were having me on to talk
about the NFL draft.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Oh no, that's my data, that's my area of expertise.
Maybe you and I can do a whole segment where
we discussed the draft. Because Clay had to tell me
that this was even happening, so I had zero idea,
but now fully.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
I love the idea Dana read Sports is one of
my favorite parts of Fox News. I love the idea
of Dana and Buck try to figure out sports related
issues like you guys, just with no help, just come
together and try to determine some sports related conclusion.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
I got a week. I really loved the I love
watching the NFL Draft because I liked watching all the
people like like in the families and like their excitement.
I think that's so fun. And live tweeting the draft
is some one of my favorite things to do, so
I'm gonna make sure I'm doing that tonight. Like who
wouldn't want to? Like? Who wouldn't want to live in Arizona?
That sounds fun? They got cute uniforms too.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
Yes, I'll just tell you I've actually never seen the draft,
so I think we've established that Dana's knowledge clay of
this exceed mind substantially. I've never watched an NFL draft
in my life, so maybe tonight will be my first time.
Dana tell us about about the book a little bit here.
I mean, you have a you've had a huge career.
You were White House Press secretary under Bush. Now you're
at the five Fox doing all this amazing stuff. What's
(01:47):
the book telling everybody out there?
Speaker 2 (01:49):
So it's called I Wish someone had told me the
best advice for building a great career and a meaningful life.
And I've done a book before called everything Will Be Okay.
And actually I remember you all had just started your
show together, and when that book came out, you had
me on and it was such a fun conversation. I
remember exactly where I was standing and where we did that.
(02:10):
And that book was really targeted to young women going
through their quarter life crisis. This book is post COVID
and it is not geared just to young women. I
made it much more broad based. And also because I
have advanced in years since when I left the White House,
a lot of people that I mentored back then are
still coming to me for advice, and they've become executives,
(02:31):
moms and dads. They are looking for the next step
in their life. They're making big career transitions, and so
I realized I didn't have all the answers myself. I
interviewed over forty people, many the people here at Fox
News and like Gutfeld, Harold Ford, Junior, Jesse Waters, Sandra Smith,
Jimmy Fayla, you name it there in here, but also
(02:52):
like my college roommate, my husband, and Derek Spentley. That's
why I was thinking of I think of Nashville, and
I mean Clay Travis, Nashville, Dirk Spentley to talk to
them everything from how to start, how to get your
foot in the door, how to get a promotion, how
to be intentional with your time and a work life balance,
(03:13):
and I know Buck your new dad, and yes, all
of this is I'm sure you'll be able to write
a book of advice for dads anytime soon.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
Oh I would, I would love that. But I have
to tell you, Dana, as I'm talking to you. It's
always reassuring when I find out that my wife is
actually listening to the show, and she texted me and says,
make sure you tell Dana that I got a lot
out of her book Everything will Be Okay. So Carrie
Sexton is a fan of book one and now will
be a fan of your most recent book.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
I am sure your wife is so lovely. Well, you
know I love hearing that. And one thing I did
find out, guys, is when Everything Will Be Okay came out,
it was a big success. Everybody loved it, but they
were younger guys. Especially around here at Fox. We're like,
what about one for us? And there's been insatiable need
of young people who they really want to be successful,
(04:03):
and they're just looking for us to give them the blueprint,
and we don't have the answers. Of course, one of
the best things that I've learned and that I could
pass on is that I really worried away my twenties
for no reason. I was so trying to plan out
my life, and everything that happened great in my life
is not because I planned it. And if you aren't
(04:24):
educated American, you already won life's great lottery. And so
all you have to decide is how hard do you
want to work?
Speaker 3 (04:32):
I think that's so well said, and thanks for coming on, Dana.
I had a professor at Vanderbilt Law School, Larry Soderquist,
who has since passed, but he was an incredible business professor.
And his big thing to us when we were in
law school. And I'm sure there's some kids out there
that are going to grad school or you're going to
take the bar exam soon coming up this summer, and
(04:53):
he said, you are already set. He said, you guys
have done the hard work of getting into law school.
He said, the question you have to decide going forward
with your legal careers is how do you want to
work this.
Speaker 4 (05:08):
Law degree?
Speaker 3 (05:08):
He said, But you're never going to be homeless, you're
never going to be hungry. The big concerns in life
you have taken care of and you should think about
that more than you do all of you. And I
thought that perspective was super important, and I think it
reflects upon what you said where there are a lot
of kids out there in their twenties. They get out
of school, they get out of grad school, they have
(05:28):
these quarter life crises I had won myself, and they
wonder what else is out there? And I think this
is an important lesson that you're trying to teach them,
is that one you're still going to be trying to
figure out a lot of things when you're in your thirties, forties, fifties,
and sixties. Nobody has all the answers, but you're probably
going to be okay.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
Oh absolutely. And one of my favorite mentors was President Bush,
and I remember he would talk about the importance of
not being so risk averse, that America was built on
people willing to take a risk and to be pioneers.
And I think about Elon Musk right, like he takes
risks all the time, like landing rockets on chopsticks. But
(06:12):
because he was able to, he was willing to take
a risk, you can get great reward. And I remember
I was really hesitant to start my own business after
I left the White House because I had a million
reasons that were stupid really looking back, and the President
said to me, ask yourself this, what is the worst
thing that could happen to you if it fails? So
I sort of hemmed and had for a minute, and
(06:32):
he said, so you're telling me the worst thing that
could happen to you, an educated American woman who was
the White House Press secretary, start throwing business. Say it fails,
and the worst thing you have to do is go
back and work for another PR firm. That's the worst thing.
And he said, I'm not persuaded by that. And that's
really helpful to me. I learned from doctor Samantha Boordman.
When people are dealing with anxiety, and of course, of
(06:53):
course we all do, and also we're surrounded by young
people who have a lot of it, you ask yourself,
what's the worst thing that happened, and what's the best
thing that could happen? And usually what happens is somewhere
in the middle, and it can calm you down pretty quickly.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
Yes, I think there's an old quote from one of
the great stoics that we suffer more in imagination than reality.
It might have been Seneca or it's one of them.
So it's a version. You know, Dane is updating it
for the twenty first century. But this is very true.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
See Waters when I interviewed him for this book. Jesse
Waters talks about the Stoics as well in this book.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
Well, Jesse Waters and I are apparently brothers from another mother.
I had no idea fun fact. Jesse doesn't even know this,
but maybe he was in I think it was like
an English one oh one class at Trinity College with
my older brother at one point, to give your sense
to what a small world it was. Then Mason transferred
went to a different school. But yes, Jesse and I
have did give me the tea. Yeah, Jesse and I
(07:48):
have in Ship's passing. Then Mason assures me he might
have popped his collar, but he was a very nice guy.
But yes, we've got Dana Perino with us right now,
and she's got a new book out which you guys
should all check out, and her books have been huge
successes up to this point. So what's you know if
you're looking now for the people out there who are
(08:09):
going to be grabbing this book. If there's one thing
that you want them to really take out of it today,
or rather one thing that they would read, and you
hope they could apply to their lives as soon as possible. Dan,
And what would that be.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
Well, I think we've covered a lot of it, and
especially what I'm hoping is that when people read this,
they will realize they don't need to worry as much.
One of the reasons that you seek out a book
like this is because you're trying to get some answers
the things that are bothering you. So I'm hoping that
that is true. But I would also pass on this advice.
Most of the mentees that come to see me, they
are definitely interested in professional guidance, but they also are
(08:43):
looking for meaningful personal lives. They would love to meet somebody,
they want to get married, they want to have families,
and they want to find a work life balance that
will allow them to have a great, wonderful, meaningful life.
And my experience was unusual. I met my husband an
airplane twenty eight years ago, and there's a million reasons
why we might not have met, or that we could
(09:05):
have talked ourselves out of it. But choosing to be
loved is not a career limiting decision. It actually made
all the difference for me. And I'm hoping that young
people can take that away and realize that investing in
yourself in a commitment is a great way to enhance
your life and your career.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
I got a wait, I got a reverse for a second. Here,
take us into this. This is a this is a
great story of romance. You met your husband on a plane, Like,
what was the first move?
Speaker 4 (09:32):
Here?
Speaker 1 (09:32):
Did he skill his his peanuts or his Seltzer and
your lap?
Speaker 2 (09:36):
Like?
Speaker 1 (09:36):
How did he get this going?
Speaker 5 (09:38):
Well?
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Okay, so it was nineteen ninety seven, So let's go
on the way way back machine. Nobody had phones, nobody
had air pods. Okay. So I was carrying a book.
I was working for a congressman. I was coming back
from washing from Denver, going Denver Chicago, Chicago, DC. And
I was on an American airline slight. I almost missed
the plane because it was my first time driving out
to the new Denver International Airport, which might as well
(10:00):
be in Kansas, it's so far away. And so the
last two people to get on the plane were myself
and this guy. And I sat down in the window
seat and he said, would you like me to put
your bag up above British accent strong, move strong, Yeah,
the accents. Accents are helpful. No wedding ring handsome. And
(10:24):
he had a book called The Tailor of Panama by
John McCarey. I said, oh, I said, do you like
that book? So we started talking about books and for
two and a half hours. We talked for a long time.
I remember asking him what do people in Europe think
about Bill Clinton? And he said they think he's a clown.
And I was like, oh, wow, we're going to get
along great. But then I remember looking at the window
(10:45):
and saying a prayer to God that I know I
asked you to help me find someone. But he's much
older than me, he lives in England. My career is
on the right track. I didn't think I would meet
somebody on an airplane, but I couldn't eat, sleep, drink,
concentrate anything after I met him, and about six weeks
(11:05):
later we had our first date when he was back
in the States in New Orleans, and six months later
I moved to England. Twenty eight years ago.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
Wow, what was the reaction when you told people I'm
just kind of curious. Hey, I'm going to move to England.
I met a guy on an airplane.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Okay, so you hit the nail on the head of
One of the reasons I wrote the book because one
of the things I worried about in my twenties was
how am I going to get a job, How will
I succeed? How will I pay my bills?
Speaker 1 (11:33):
Then?
Speaker 2 (11:34):
How am I going to meet somebody? How am I
going to meet? Then? What are people going to think
about me for wanting to be with this man who
is much older than me lived in England and that
I'm leaving my job and career to go live in
England and who knows what's going to happen to me? Yeah,
And I worried myself to death. And this a woman
of a family friend that don't give up on this chance.
Speaker 5 (11:53):
To be loved?
Speaker 1 (11:55):
And is there something in their data? What one superpower
that I've learned is to not care what people think
who don't matter to you, you know.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
But you know what's so interesting is that we have
to learn this lesson over and over again. It's because
your parents teach you that when you're young, or maybe
you learn it in Sunday school or from a teacher
or from other friends. And all of these young people
are always thinking about what others are thinking about them
and how they're being judged. And what I remind them
is that actually we all just think about ourselves all
(12:24):
the time. Somebody has time to think about you.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
And by the way, especially in a social media age,
people are even more obsessed about how they're being perceived
than they would have been in the past.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
Quick, Ques, wait, can I ask her a question, Jana,
do you think that? Do you think that? Women? I'm
putting you on the hot seat a little bit here.
Everybody loves data. Pirno, everyone's gonna love this book. You're
on the hot seat. Now. Do women in this era
care too much about men's height?
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Gosh, you know, I am barely I'm not even quite
five foot one, So even Felt is a little tall
to me, just kidding, he is not tall to me.
The woman charts too much about he? I mean maybe,
I mean I know that it's sort of it depends,
like I don't you don't see.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
A lot of how tall is your husband, Dana, how
tall is your husband? Let's just let's just go through.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
This about I would say five to ten.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
Okay, this is like he's like tall, but not you know,
you didn't date like you're not a five to one
lady who married a six foot five guy. We've had
some conversations on the show recently about this.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
He's tall for someone from Scotland. How about that?
Speaker 1 (13:32):
Fair enough? Fair enough?
Speaker 3 (13:34):
Yeah, I don't even know if that's just a shot
at Scottish men. By the way, that you just I
wouldn't have been tall for someone from Scottish.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
Men are short? Is this true?
Speaker 2 (13:43):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (13:44):
Yeah, there's the book. By the way, is fabulous. I
have met her husband. He is fabulous. Dana has taken
us out.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
He would probably radio show.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
He is great, he is fantastic.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
Well, hey, by the way, you're listening to a guy
who get canceled at any moment, no idea what might
happen from one second.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
To the next.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
The book, the book is wish someone one had told
and Dana Perino go buy it.
Speaker 4 (14:09):
You're gonna like it.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
Dana.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
We appreciate the time you do. Fantastic for it. Till
ber we said high, thank you. Same to you, Clay.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
I was struck by something as we're talking to Dana,
who who it is true? Everybody My wife loves Dana
everybody loves Dana. Her book is fantastic. I'm sure the
last book was fantastic. I have a book title for
you for your next book, because we know the topic.
I have a title for you. Do you want me
to tell you the title now or when we come back.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
I want to hear your title when we come back.
We've got a title for the book, and it's probably
not going to surprise you, but I'm curious if your
title is somewhat similar to the title.
Speaker 4 (14:45):
We've got an idea.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
Now that you're telling me this, I feel like it
could be, but you have just to be clear. Clay
has not told me the title of his forthcoming book.
I have a title in mind for him, and I
think some of you are really going to like it.
So that's what we call it. Ease in the business.
Uh And if you switch, is it me or you?
Who's supposed to know? It's me? It's me?
Speaker 4 (15:04):
Oh, I blew it.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
Sorry, the leaf blowers are throwing you off, buddy, I
need something. The leaf blowers just track me everywhere. I
hate those guys.
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Speaker 3 (17:01):
Welcome back in Play Travis Buck Sexton Show.
Speaker 4 (17:04):
A little bit of a quick turn here.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
By the way, I want to say, Dana Perino maybe
the nicest person on air at Fox News, but if
she had to get into a royal rumble with the
other nicest person in my experience, Shannon Breem versus Dana
Perino for the title of nicest person on the air
at Fox News would be like the Jordan Lebron debate
of the Fox News era. But they are the two
(17:27):
nicest people on the planet.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
Would I would concur they're two of the nicest people
I've come across in this in this business and just
in general. But Clay, your book is going to be
about masculinity in America today. I think your book title
should be the First Amendment. And dudes, that's good.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
You are going to be It's The book title is
going to be Buck balls b a lls, How Trump
won men, And all it has on the cover is
just two big asket balls one hundred percent.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
This is what.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
This is what.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
Yes, you're all very welcome. That is Buck's title is
very good. But the title of my book is legitimately
just balls b a lls. And uh, yeah, it's gonna
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Speaker 1 (19:02):
We've got the market doing pretty well today, which I
think goes to some of the anxiety that the media
is trying to create about the Trump economy. So that's
one thing that I think we can at least take
a moment here and look at. But Clay, you know,
the Trump there's other negotiations happening, not just on tariffs
(19:25):
and the economy, but on Russia and Ukraine. Now there's
some reporting that came out Senator Mark, I'm sorry. Secretary
of State Marco Rubio has said that the reporting is
total trash, that they basically saying that they were willing
to give all kinds of concessions to Russia, and they're
trying to take a shot at the Trump team that
(19:47):
is negotiating with Putin. There was some there were some
major strikes rocket rocket attack against Kiev or Kiev we're
supposed to say like different ways, right, but keV that
have killed a number of people at Trump is ticked
off about this. He has been sounding the well sounding
(20:10):
not the alarm so much as just letting people know
that letting Putin know this is unacceptable to him. But
there's also frustration with the Zelenski side of thing, clay
because there's reporting that Zelenski does not want to give
up officially Crimea, which has been under Russian control and
(20:31):
has been a part of a fully functioned part of
the Russian Federation now for many years before this administration
even came along. It goes back to the goes back
to the Obama administration. So here is here is Caroline Levit,
white House Press secretary, talking about this plate seventeen.
Speaker 8 (20:51):
In order to make a good deal, both sides have
to walk away a little bit unhappy, and unfortunately President
Zelensky has been trying to litigate this peace negotiation negotiation
in the press, and that's unacceptable to the president. He
should be closed door negotiations. The President's national security team,
his advisors, has exuded significant time, energy, and effort to
(21:12):
try to bring this war to an end. The American
taxpayer has funded billions of dollars in this effort, and
enough is enough. The President's frustrated.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
His patience is.
Speaker 8 (21:21):
Running very thin. He wants to do what's right for
the world. He wants to see peace, he wants to
see the killing stop. But you need both sides of
the war willing to do that, and unfortunately President Zelensky
seems to be moving in the wrong direction.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
It's not looking great for the negotiations right now. Let's
just say what's going on here, Clay. It's still early,
but it's looking like this is there's a distance between
the combatants on what a negotiation would look like, and
Trump is getting frustrated with both sides.
Speaker 4 (21:51):
I think that's right, and here's what we told you.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
This is how this ends. There's gonna be a new
line drawn. You can argue about it however you want
to argue about it. I fail to see at this point,
and I would love to have Zelensky on. I'd love
to have putin on what is the point of continuing
to fight? We essentially have both sides dug in. The
(22:17):
lines are not moving very much. To the extent that
they are moving, it is a slowly inch by inch,
yard by yard style advancement from Russia. Ukraine is depleted significantly.
One thing they decided to do buck and I don't
know that we've talked about it that much on the program,
but based on the lessons.
Speaker 4 (22:37):
Of World War One and World War.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
Two, they actually have tried to not take eighteen to
twenty five year old men to fight, because when an
eighteen to twenty five year old man dies, most of
the time those men have not had kids yet. It's
very sad to think about, but that wiped out entire
generations of population in Europe because so many young men
(23:01):
who had not become fathers were the first to be drafted.
And Ukraine in some way is balancing that out by
basically taking men twenty five to forty five, of which.
Speaker 4 (23:11):
There are almost none left. And what is the play here?
Speaker 3 (23:15):
I really think that media need to be holding Vladimir
Zolensky accountable here and I don't mean because I think
he's the bad guy in any way. I think Russia
is the aggressor. We all know that. But what is
Zolensky hoping for at this point? What are his strategic
goals and ambitions? It doesn't seem to me like there
(23:38):
are any buck I mean, can you even what is
he trying to get? He's not going to get NATO,
He's not going to get the return of the border
that existed prior to Russia's invasion. What are his reachable
goals at this point, now that tens of thousands, if
not hundreds of thousands of his fellow countrymen are dead.
(23:59):
I just don't understand what the war's continuing. Well, I
think that in his mind, their perpetuation of the war
one means that he stays in power. Right they have
under the Ukrainian constitution, they cannot have elections during a war.
We've heard this many times. This is why he's declared
martial law.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
And there's no way that anyone's going to be able
to take over from him while that's going on. So
there's that incentive that I think has to be remembered
as we're talking about what he seeks to have happened here,
and Clay, I think that there's just it's a little
bit like the US and Afghanistan, to be honest with you,
where the idea was, if we just keep this going,
(24:39):
maybe things will get better. And that was not true
in Afghanistan. That was not true. I was in Afghanistan
in twenty ten. Talk about it a little bit of
the book, by the way, and.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
What is the title of your book? By the way,
what's the official title? Have you talked or title or
still title? Not official yet.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
We're still there's a couple of things that are getting
in place, but it will be It's very It is
definitely very It's a it's a different vibe than balls.
This is gonna be very play. And I may have
books coming out roughly around the same time, and Clay's
is gonna be like very was. Play's gonna be a
(25:18):
lot of fun and it's gonna be very kind of
in mind. Is gonna be like a guy with a
tweed jacket on and you know, like a pipe pipe.
Speaker 4 (25:26):
You got the you've got the what's the elbow pads
on the tweet jacket two.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
So we're we're going in different directions here. On, so
that that's good. But look, I think I think that
what you have with Afghanistan was a plan that was
never going to get better. But nobody wanted to be
the one that stopped it. Nobody wanted to be the
one that said, you know what, everything that came before
this didn't get us to where we want to be.
It becomes very deeply psychologically ingrained. Right, well, if we
(25:53):
just keep fighting, maybe there'll be a better day ahead.
So why don't we just keep fighting? I think that's
where Zelenski is on this. And now you could say, rationally,
in what world? The only one that I can see
is if the United States and NATO actually get drawn
into the conflict in some way, which is what we
are trying to avoid at all costs.
Speaker 4 (26:11):
Right.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
But he can't say that publicly, right, He can't say that.
He can't say, well, if you guys create a protectorate
of Ukraine against Russia, then we'll get a better deal.
I don't see how militarily, though, there's any option for
him other than that that puts him in a better spot.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
I agree, and it feels to me like maybe we're
headed towards some perpetually unresolved conflict almost like exists still
in North Korea and South Korea where they have the
de militarized zone. Both sides have substantial facilities on the
either side of the de militarized zone. But I believe
I'm correct. You probably know off the top of your head,
(26:48):
we've never had an official peace in Korea, right. They
just basically have kind of ended the war, but I
think technically they are still considered to be in conflict.
There was no Grand Peace Accord that has.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
Been technically in a state of war at whatever is
the thirty eighth parallel.
Speaker 4 (27:05):
So for some part of me thinks that that might
end up being the resolution. In Ukraine.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
I don't think it's ideal, but you have some sort
of security guarantee based on the mineral Rights agreement that
we have discussed, which provides Ukraine some belief that the
United States will help to provide security in addition with
all the European countries, and then Russia feels like they
have this territory. Now you know, the real danger to Ukraine,
(27:31):
and I felt this all along if you look at
the map, is if Russia decides to try and take
away Ukraine's ability to reach the water right there. Basically
you would landlock them, and they've kind of taken away
a huge percentage of it through crimea and more.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
Yes, well, the geography here matters a whole lot, speaking
of water and taking it away. We haven't discussed this
yet on the show, but you may have seen some
of the headlines between India and Pakistan, two countries that
have a long history of really hating each other and
have nuclear weapons pointed at each other, and there was
(28:07):
just a major terrorist attack in the Kashmir is this
disputed region between India and Pakistan, and there have been
there's a long hit. We've never really talked about this
in the show. There's a long history here Kashmiri militants,
particularly Pakistan likes to train these different terrorist groups that
operate there in India, and that they've been going at
it here for a long time, firing artillery at each other.
(28:30):
They're militaries and in some places this is you're amazed
that human beings are even up as high as they
are fighting. I mean, this is like you think it
would just be mountain goats up there. I mean they
are way up, you know, eight ten thousand twelve thousand
feet elevation. They're firing artillery rounds at each other, and
there is now a the the president of our Prime
(28:55):
Minister of India, India has come out and said we're
going to fight and find the terrorists wherever they are are.
They've cut off water to Pakistan. It's by understanding through
the Indus River and the entire Pakistani well. A huge
percentage of the Pakistani workforce is still agriculture based, and
(29:18):
this is not a country that can afford to have
a lot of its agriculture cut off. So we're not
even talking about I just made me think of this clake.
We're not even really focused on this right now that
much in the West. But if you're talking about a place,
it is far more likely. And I hate having to
say this out loud, but it is true. It is
(29:38):
far more likely that you would see a major escalation
and a nuclear exchange between India and Pakistan than anything
going on right now in Russia, in my opinion, between
the United States and Russia, like these are two countries
where if one side thinks they got the upper hand
of the other side tactical nuclear weapons, I think the
likelihood of that is higher than any feared escalation between
(30:01):
the United States and Russia with nukes. I think that
we've had a longstanding, you know, daytent with Russia Soviet
Union before that, ever, nukes Clay Indian Pakistan. These countries
hate each other. I mean just there's a long standing
history of these countries are at each other's throats. Their
entire militaries are basically squared off the border from each
(30:22):
other between the two countries. So think about it that way.
Speaker 3 (30:26):
And this is why ultimately the Iran decision and North
Korea and all these other countries, right, I mean, you
understand why they want nukes, And this is why I'm
not optimistic unfortunately that we're suddenly going to get a
deal with Iran where we feel like, oh, you know what,
the world's a safer place. It feels to me like
(30:47):
they're going to lie about everything having to do with
their nuclear weapons policy because it makes sense, right logically
for them to lie and get them.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
Just soever knows. India has told all Pakistani nationals to
they had twenty four hours to get out of the country,
so they're like, get the bleep out of here. This
is national pile, this is happening right now. They have
cut off the waters of the Indus River because they
have you know, the dams and locks and things. They've
cut off water which in which Pakistan by treaty, is
(31:20):
supposed to have access to and needs for its agriculture.
It's a little you know, if this continued, it would
cut off it would destroy their ability to feed themselves
the country. So these are big These are big moves now.
And Kashmir, I think twenty six people were killed. Twenty
six India nationals were killed. So there was just a
mass casualty terror attack in Kashmir. India believes Pakistans, Pakistan
(31:42):
is behind it. India believes Pakistan's behind it, and India
is taking really aggressive steps right now. So you know,
it's just interesting how we all get so focused on
what's going on in this region or that region. This
is getting barely a mentioned in most of the US media.
And if you were asking me, where is the likeliest
place for a really nasty war to break out where
(32:04):
both sides have nukes and I think would be willing
to use them under certain circumstances. It's this part of
the world right now, and no one's even talking about it,
so you know, Trump's got is handsful. I think Jade
Vance was just in India this week, and we're hoping
that there's going to be a treaty between or a
tariff rather agreement between the US and India. I think
there's early Charlie Gasparino was reporting this morning that there
(32:27):
looks like there's some agreement on that. So, you know,
multi are a billion plus person country that's going to
have a better trade relationship with the US. Seems like
a very So that's on the positive side of things.
Speaker 3 (32:39):
If JD Vance were a Democrat, Usha Vance going to
India would have been a huge story because her family
is of Indian ancestry. But as is, it got almost
no attention. Think about how much attention that would have
gotten otherwise. They almost didn't pay attention to it at all.
(33:01):
I thought that was a cool segment. They have kids,
three of them that were on the trip with him.
I thought it looked. The coverage that I did see,
which was limited, I was impressed by. Look, we talked
all about testosterone, how important it is for so many
men out there if you don't want to end up
like the Democrats. Did you see the video I don't
even know if Bucks saw this yet. Did you guys
(33:23):
see the video of the governor of Wisconsin throwing a football?
It was one of the saddest things that I've ever seen.
And I have one of the worst golf swings of
all time. But he threw a football. They cut it,
and then he's throwing a football to himself and they're
trying to celebrate the fact that the NFL Draft is
happening in Green Bay, and it was one of the
least masculine throws I've ever seen in my life. That's
(33:45):
partly because there are no masculine Democrats. They got Tim
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Welcome back in play Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate everybody
hanging out with us, uh, Andy and Saint Paul Minnesota.
I Dana Prino said that her husband was tall for
a Scotsman. Is this drue our Scottish men know to
be short?
Speaker 1 (35:00):
Andy?
Speaker 5 (35:02):
Yeah, that's actually true. I'm actually only five foot one,
but I am I am anatomically shaped like an actual
human being though.
Speaker 3 (35:13):
So so you are a five foot one Scotsman who
would say that that Dana Perino is right when she
says that men are short in Scotland. And you met
your wife on a Greyhound bus.
Speaker 5 (35:27):
Man a grehand bus and floor than nineteen.
Speaker 4 (35:29):
Ninety How long was your greyhound bus ride?
Speaker 5 (35:35):
So I was traveling from Orlando to Montana. She was
going from Orlando to Chicago.
Speaker 4 (35:43):
Hold on, you went Orlando to Montana on a greyhound bus?
Speaker 3 (35:48):
Hell?
Speaker 5 (35:48):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (35:49):
What did that take?
Speaker 2 (35:50):
Like?
Speaker 4 (35:50):
Nine days?
Speaker 5 (35:53):
No? I think it was like fifteen sixteen hours or
something like that.
Speaker 3 (35:56):
But it's gonna be way more than hold on, and
let's unless the bus took off like Hogwarts style. It
had to take way more. It had to take way
more than fifteen or sixteen hours to go Orlando to
Montana on a greyhound bus.
Speaker 5 (36:11):
I'm just saying it was a long time ago, right,
and it took a long time.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
Then.
Speaker 5 (36:15):
Poor part is when I stopped and pump to this
check on the bus, I thought, well, I'm going to
go back to Scotland like about a week, right, So
if I don't play the big move, I'm never going
to see it again. So but ten I was end
of the trip. I was like, hey, do you want
to get married to the Scotland at Christmas?
Speaker 2 (36:31):
And he says yeah, sure.
Speaker 5 (36:33):
So we get married that year nineteen ninety December twenty eighth,
and we're still married and there'll be a thirty fifth
anniversary this coming Christmas.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
I love this guy, but I need subtitles for this call. Yes,
think that's amazing.
Speaker 3 (36:47):
Buck Mett his wife on a greyhound bus, proposed to
or after ten hours. That could have gone a lot
worse based on the greyhound buses I've seen
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