April 23, 2025 • 36 mins
Hour 2 of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show features an engaging discussion with Secretary of the Interior Doug Burgum. The hour kicks off with Burgum sharing his unique experience at Michael Jordan's basketball camp, providing a personal touch to the conversation. The focus then shifts to Burgum's role and priorities as Interior Secretary, emphasizing energy dominance and the importance of domestic energy production. Burgum highlights the vast resources managed by the Interior Department, including 500 million acres of surface land and 700 million acres of subsurface land rich in minerals and energy sources.
The conversation delves into the climate change debate, criticizing the Biden administration's policies that restrict domestic energy production, leading to increased reliance on foreign oil and gas. Burgum argues that U.S. energy production is cleaner and more efficient and reducing domestic output harms both the environment and national security. The discussion also covers the significance of rare earth minerals, essential for technology and defense, and the need to boost domestic mining to reduce dependence on China.
The hour concludes with a poignant segment on the renaming of a U.S. Fish and Wildlife refuge in honor of Jocelyn Nungaray, a young girl tragically killed by illegal immigrants. This renaming underscores the Trump administration's commitment to secure borders and public safety.
The hosts also talk about the decline in testosterone levels and sperm count among men, linking it to overall health and societal trends. Heart disease and colon cancer on the rise. The importance of exercise.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:41):
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Speaker 1 (00:53):
So we cover a lot of ground, no doubt, absolute
wide range. And I covered a lot of ground this
morning for breakfast in downtown Franklin, Tennessee, which is a
hallmark town if there's ever been a town. And I
was with Secretary of the Interior, Doug Bergham, formerly the
governor of North Dakota, and you've got governor secretary. You've
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got so many different titles now. But we talked about
a wide range of issues. But I want to start
with this because I remember the first time we had
you on was right after you injured yourself playing basketball
during the twenty twenty four presidential election cycle. You've now
recovered from that, but you told me that back in
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nineteen ninety eight you got to participate in Michael Jordan's
basketball camp. That had to be an unbelievable opportunity. I
want our audience to hear what that might have been like.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
Well, first of all, Clay, a great tale breakfast with
you Pucketts in your hometown, fantastic revival any of the
great breakfast places in North Dakota. But yeah, what in
a life experience to go to the Michael Jordan basketball camp.
People think, oh, you're going to meet Michael Jordan. Part
of the way he ran that it was eighty people
over age thirty five. And you come and they have
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eight teams of ten, sixteen of the top college coaches.
My coaches were John Thompson, and Dean Smith, my buddy
from North Kota that came to the camp with me.
He had Roy Williams and Loud Olsen. So we're playing
for national championship coaches. I mean there was one instance
We're in a Cloak game and I got Dean Smith
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and John Thompson chatting on the sidelines with each other,
not even paying attention to us guys out there on
the floor. We're playing Coach K and I was point guard.
I called the time out and the coach was a
little upset. He's like, what do you think you're coach now?
And I said no. He said, do you like getting
yelled at? I said, well, I think it could help.
We're down three in a close game, and it's the
only chance I'm ever going to say I was able
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to play in a team that beat Coach K. But
what an experience.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Well, Doug, it's buck.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
I didn't get to have breakfast with you, but maybe
you'll come down to mind be beached some time. We
can go get some savice or something. And I want
to ask you about your portfolio as Interior Secretary, which
doesn't get as much I think attention to the news
as some of the other major agencies at the federal government,
but it is a vast, a vast entity, vast organization
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with a lot of really important responsibilities. A lot of
people think of national parks, but you've also got mining rights.
I mean, you got a whole range of things, and
we don't have time to go over all of it, obviously.
I want you to tell me what are your top
priorities right now? I mean, I know you're working with
Tyler Hassen. Funny story, Tyler and I went to school
together in New York when we were little kids, a
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long time ago, so I haven't seen him in a while.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
But he's a doge guy.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
So there's a cleaning up an efficiency part of this,
there's a mining part of this. What are the top
priorities for the Interior secretary right now?
Speaker 3 (03:55):
Well as simple as this, I mean, we're supporting President
trump'st agenda to bring peace abroad, which is, you know,
end the wars against US and around the world that
are be funding. They're all being funded, whether it's twenty
four terrorist groups being funded by Iran or the conflicts
in Eastern Europe being funded by Russia's oil sales. You know,
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we need to be in a position with energy dominance
where we're selling energy to our friends and allies, so
they're going to buy it from our adversaries so that
we can fund both sides of a war. But when
we do that, we also are bringing prosperity at home,
because energy is not just an industry. Energy is the
industry that supports every other. There's a component in the
food you eat, the car you drive, the food on
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your table, there's an energy component. We bring energy prices down,
we bring the price of everything down. We bring prosperity
at home. And then you say, well, what does Interior
have to do with this, Well, you know, with the
vision of early leadership and then certainly expanded by by
Theodore Roosevelt, the United States of America, the balance sheet
of the United States of America a lot of that
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in interior. Five hundred million acres of surface land, seven
hundred million acres of subservice filled with rich minerals and
energy sources, and then two point five billion offshore. If
Interior was a standalone company, it would have the largest
balance sheet of anyone in the world, any company in
the world. And we all hear about every election cycle. Oh,
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this United States woe was us. We got thirty six
and a half trillion dollars in debt, and yeah, we've
got to stop spending more each fiscal year than we
bring in, start paying down the debt. But the asset
side of the balance sheet could be tripled what we
have there. We could have one hundred trillion dollars of assets.
So one of the things that we're working on is
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trying to actually, for the first time, build out the
balance sheet of America so we can see just how
wealthy we are. And then of course using these resources
for the benefit and the use of the American people.
That's what they were put away for these public lands.
And under Obama and Biden, they were going to make
sure that we didn't We didn't cut a tree. They
killed the timber industry. We weren't going to do We
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weren't going to develop our energy resources, whether it's oil
or gas or coal. Now we find ourselves in this
battle with China where they're controlling eighty five percent of
the processing of rare earths and critical minerals which we
need for defense and electronics. And so this is literally,
when I say piece of broad prosperity at home interiors
right in the mix of the fight on all the
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core principles of President Trump's agenda.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
We're talking to Secretary of the Interior Doug Bergham. One
thing that I think is so incredibly important and some
people get it but others do not, and we were
talking about it some at breakfast is a lot of
these climate change zelots have bought into a process by
which they restrict our ability to create clean oil and
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gas here I say clean relative to international standards, and
instead of allowing us to produce it here, they then
buy it, oftentimes from our enemies that use the money
they may from our oil and gas purchases to work
against American interest. And it's also produced much less refined,
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It's dirtier in other words, and worse for the environment.
So they think they are being morally superior, but they're
actually creating a dynamic of oil and gas purchase that
makes the world worse, less clean, and also gives more
power to authoritarians who bear us ill will. Can you
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break that down a little bit more, because I think
it's so important for people to understand, and as Secretary
of the Interior, it's a huge part of what you
do well.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
It was a fantastic summary. And again this yeah, like
most recently the Biden climate extremism. You know, they claimed
they were saving the planet, but they weren't doing anything
to diminish demand. They were just shifting supply. And when
you shift supply away from the US to our adversaries
who do not approach it with the same care, because
if you, if you cared about the environment, you would
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insist that every electron of electricity, that every ounce of
a liquid fuel, of any form of energy was produced
here in the United States, because we do a cleaner, smarter, safer,
healthier than anyone else on the planet. And so again
you get these bizarre things where, hey, I'm going to
block a pipeline going through New York of clean natural
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gas from Pennsylvania going into New England. We're going to
vote that down because the state of New York and
we believed for saving the planet. Meanwhile, because they do
that now in the state of Maine, eighty percent of
the homes are heated by heating oil. Forty one percent
of the homes in New Hampshire. At the time of
the Russian invasion of New Hampshire, we were off loading
in our country four hundred thousand barrels a day equivalent
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of dirty Russian heating oil to heat homes in New
England because we couldn't get clean Pennsylvania US natural gas
to them because we're going to block a pipeline. I mean,
the absurdities and essentially the lie around somehow stopping energy
production or transportation in America was good for the global
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environment or good for our environment. None of that's true.
It's all false. And then it raises the price. I mean,
the price of natural gas in New England in some
places is triple what it is in Pennsylvania. And that's
so unfair to Americans because we low priced energy is
what's going to bring manufacturing back on shore. It's what's
going to help us win the AI arms race against China.
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It's what's going to help, you know, people pay their bills,
and it's going to bring down even the price of
groceries when we have lower energy prices. So again, we're
in a battle of common sense here, and we're fighting
for every American because every American deserves to have access
to clean, low cost, affordable, reliable energy.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
We're speaking to Interior Secretary Doug Bergham and mister Secretary.
Rare earth minerals getting a lot of attention these days,
particularly because of the back and forth with China and
the trade negotiations, and where we get a rare earth
minerals from first, How does that play into I mean,
maybe you give us a few things, why do we
need them? How does China play into this? And how
(10:08):
do we get more rare earth minerals here domestic sources
in America?
Speaker 3 (10:14):
Well, because, as I said earlier, the massive amounts of
federal or in public lands that we have seven hundred
million acres a lot of it in the Western United States.
That are these public lands that are rich with all
kinds of minerals, and whether they're minerals, critical minerals, rare
earth minerals being anything copper, silver, gold, but all the
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things we need, antimony, we need for ammunition, there's other
things that we need just to be able to manage
electronic and defense sectors. China has been well here at
home with Obama Biden declaring a war on mining in
our country, just like they had a war on oil
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and oil and gas production. We are, you know, turning
that around one hundred and eighty degrees. So in addition
to drill baby drill, with President Trump, we've got to
mine baby mine. And to do that, we've got to
be able to permit, and we've got to be able
to actually be able to get capital from the private
sector going to work. We have literally killed the mining
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industry in this in this country, and and of course
China has exploited that. They now control, as I said earlier,
eighty five percent of the processed rare earth minerals that
we need. It's a lever that they can use in
the battles that we're in with them right now. And
so we've got to get ourselves back in this game,
and we've got to make sure that we're sporting that.
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But under President Trump is starting to happen and whether
that is you know, again coal we need coal for
two reasons. We need for producing electricity. We also needed
there's metallurgical coal. In that metallurgical coal, there are rare
earth minerals that we need, and there's base materials like coke,
which we need for steelmaking in this country. I was,
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I was, you know, we had a thing called fast
forty one that we discovered. It was a way to
speed up projects. There have only been two mining projects
ever put on there. President Trump put ten on there
last week. There's dozens more that are coming soon. Resolution
Copper Mind thirty year saga of trying to get a
permit to start. We tackled this right after President Trump.
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He put out in the Executive Orders we have an
energy emergency. We need to expedite this stuff. In three
months now we've got approvals for starting of the Resolution
Copper Mind in Arizona, and then again at a rare
earth mining operation. There's a gold mine in California. They
can also pull rare earth minerals out of that same operation.
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We're fast tracking all of that. So we're working round
the clock to get back in the mining game because
if we don't, this is a situation where again we
could end up losing. You know, our technology is better,
our resources is better, everything we've got is better. But
because of buaq see an ideology around climate, we end
up losing this AI arms race to China. That would
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be a sad thing.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
Last question for you, you are going to be I
believe you're going to be bringing a new park into
the into the country, and it's one that President Trump
announced earlier this year down in Texas with Joscelyn Nungary
and her family. What can you tell us about what
you're doing there.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
Well, we're heading, we'll be there tomorrow. And this is
an existing US Fish and Wildlife Refuge that had a
being renamed in honor of Joscelyn Nungerre And of course,
unfortunately America knows her story. Twelve year old, beautiful young
woman who was tragically and horribly murdered and killed by
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illegal immigrants. President Trump acknowledged her mother and her sister.
They were present at the House Chambers when he was
giving us joint address to the two Chambers this year.
Touching moment for sure, any of us that are parents
hard to think about what it would be like to
lose your twelve year old daughter for any reason, but
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for those reasons in particular, and that but she loved
loved wildlife and loved the outdoors. And President Trump wants
to make sure that she's remembered forever. And so we're
renaming this US Fish and Wildlife Refuge. We changed the
name on the electronic maps. The day after he gave
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that that beautiful speech that he delivered to the whole country,
but will be there tomorrow with the family many extended
family members. Could be more than twenty people from the
Nungarry family there, including Jocelyn's mother and sister and others,
And we'll be there in person, and we're going through
the physical renaming of the all the signage around the park,
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and we'll be there and I'm sure that's going to
be a touching moment for all involved. But again, it's
just something that's so genuine out President Trump, who who
generally cares about the people in our country, and that's
why he's fighting so hard every day to make sure
that we've got safe and secure borders and that we've
you know, bringing peace to the world.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
Secretary the Interior, Doug Berger, I appreciate you being with
us or thank you so much.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
Well, great to be with both of you and look
forward to be back on and thank you both for
all you do and helping helping inspire America to reach
our fullest potential, whether it's the parents or as a country.
So thanks for all you do, gentlemen. Thank you.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
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out with us. We'll get this some of your reactions.
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Appreciate Interior Secretary Doug Bergham there breaking down what I
think is really one of the most underreported stories out there,
that is, climate change activists have actually propped up authoritarian
governments because our demand for oil and gas has not declined,
and instead of producing it here in a relatively clean manner,
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we now have to go overseas and buy it from
people who hate us, and that is ultimately destructive to
our power in the world. But also it allows people
who are in many ways engaging in acts of evil
to be undercut and to be supported, to be funded
by us. It's wild. We come back. We'll take some
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out with us as we are rolling through the Wednesday
edition of the program. You know, it's actually super interesting.
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We talked about Pete Hegseth being under fire and basically
from the moment he was announced as a nominee, the
attack on him has been unlike the attacks on anybody else,
and that's different. I think you said yesterday, Buck that
you kind of thought that RFK Junior would be the
guy who came in for the most attack, or Tulsea Gabbard,
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somebody who used to be a Democrat. Instead, those guys
have flown under the radar a little bit and been
able to make their arguments publicly. And I believe this
was yesterday on Jesse Waters, RFK Junior went on and
this is something we've talked a lot on this program
about how we need to have more kids in this
country and also frankly, in western civilizations around the world,
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whether it's Italy, whether it's South Korea, whether it's Japan.
If if you look at the number of babies being born,
the number of kids is collapsing, and it doesn't take
very long. For instance, I think South Korea, the average
woman is now having point seven children. Basic math would
suggest that the average woman needs to have at least
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two point one children or the overall population is going
to collapse. So when someone in South Korea is having
point seven children. That means in the face of a
few generations, a country can essentially be wiped off the
planet because they're just not having enough babies to reproduce.
And there's a lot of talk about women, but one
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ass that doesn't get talked about very much, and it's
very strange, and it's as if you're not allowed to
raise it as an issue at all. The ability of
men to produce frankly, lots of sperm and have a
high sperm count, which is also kind of important when
it comes to children, has plummeted and buck I haven't
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ever really heard a strong explanation of why this is happening.
But RFK Junior went on with Jesse Waters yesterday and
this is what the conversation sounded like. Listen to this
cut three.
Speaker 4 (21:14):
A teenager today, an American teenager has less testosterone than
is a sixty eight year old man. Well firm counseler
down fifty percent.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
American has less testosterone than a sixty year old man.
Speaker 4 (21:29):
That's right because dost ostron levels have dropped fifty percent
from historic levels, and you know, and that is a problem,
and it's an existential problem, but it's only that is
only when we have obesity that is off the charts.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
Okay, so this is a part of this gender universe
that we have created where men are supposed to be
more like women and women are supposed to be more
like men, and eventually, oh, we can't even tell Jim
just made up. It's not a real thing. This should
be am I crazy on this buck? Are you with
me as well? Shouldn't everyone want to know what is
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occurring such that male testosterone rates are collapsing that when
it comes to basic biology sperm, this is true, the
amount of functional sperm that the average man produces is
collapsing as well. Shouldn't this be kind of a calamitous
thing that we should be looking at and talking about
and asking what's going on? What are the products that
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we're consuming? How has this occurred? I think it's quite
clearly not a good thing. Well, yeah, and there are
a few things that right away jump out. First of all,
for men, testosterone level is a pretty good indicator of
overall health.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
Now that doesn't mean that if you have a higher
than average dhesosp level you're in great health. It doesn't,
but it's a pretty good indicator. And I'll be honest
with you. As as I've looked at, you know, my
blood and my fitness journey of the last six months
or so to kind of get back in shape. One
thing I definitely had to look at with was t
levels and what you find is mine had dropped much
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more in the last few years, much more rapidly than
they had previously. I don't know why, and I've been
able to address that by uh, supplementation, exercise, diet changes,
focus on protein.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
You know.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
Now, I was I was in the within the range
of of like normal, but I wanted to get to
a sort of you know, the upper end of it
because I thought it would feel it would feel better.
The big issue that a lot of people have is
I'm talking about men now, where women have testascer and too,
they obviously have far less of it, and even like
guys on MSNBCF test sascer and they just have even
less than women. But the you re g it a joke,
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but remember the NPR guys got tested and they were
basically off the charts. The men at NPR had testosterone
levels that were almost they had the testosterol level non existent.
NPR NPR guys in their thirties had testosterol levels of
like twelve year old girls. It was crazy, It was
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really remarkable. I mean they I don't even know what
to say other than it was you know, these guys
had like one of them was in the one hundreds,
which is actually a clinically, i mean, medically deficient level
like that that needs it's a medical condition. If you're
a guy and you have a very low level of testosterone,
you need to get that addressed. It affects you in
very real ways. You're but people are asking why this
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is like our kid, you just bring this up. Now,
there's a lot of people say like microplastics, and you
get into some of this stuff where it's just like
everything everything is making unhealthy every Oh, it's the water
you're drinking, it's the area, everything's everything.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
No, no, no, start with the basics. We are too fat,
we are too sedentary, we are eating too many processed.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
Foods, and that for men is a huge problem for
test stosterone and for fertility and for creating enough sperm.
But this has become a societal issue now. I mean,
this is actually it's not just something that you know,
you read about in Men's Health magazine.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
We have people. It affects your psychology. If you're a
man with deficient testosterone, it affects your ability to obviously
have children when you look at the sperm count.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
And this needs to be addressed. An RFK Junior wants
to make this a thing. But you know, everybody, it's amazing.
I even talk to friends of mine play guys in
their thirty you know, late thirties, early forties, like, well,
what is your testosterone level?
Speaker 1 (25:38):
They have no idea. Yeah, most people have no idea.
Most people. I mean, I think this is one of
those things where men in general don't talk very much
about health, and so we're like totally imbeciles on much
of male health related issues, whereas I think in general
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women are more aware. This is Look, this is why
men one of many reasons why men live about five
years shorter than women. We have severe health related issues
and we don't go to doctors as much and we
don't get things fixed. But yeah, I think I was
actually having this conversation with my wife the other day.
It feels to me often Buck and this is me
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kind of getting on a soapbox here for a minute,
But it feels like we spend lots of time on
things that aren't very dangerous, and very little time on
things that are incredibly dangerous. Let me give you an example.
I had a friend recently who just dropped dead at
forty five years old, and it turns out that he
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had I think a major heart related condition based on
what I have been told, and it seems to me
and some of you out there may be brilliant enough
to do this. Heart disease is I believe I'm correct,
Buck the number one killer of me in by far right,
and it kills a lot of women. Cheers number men.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
There's number two, heart disease, number one.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Heart disease number one. But how often do you hear
of someone who otherwise appears to be healthy and then
they have a massive heart attack and they just die.
Shouldn't we have instead of everybody having to get a
colon examination, which everybody does, and I'm not necessarily knocking
that from a health perspective, when you get to be
like forty five years old, shouldn't you be having a
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really detailed electro cardiogram of your heart to find out
whether you have stoppages and blockages that could lead to
a catastrophic heart attack because we know that this is
killing whatever it is, millions of people probably a year
on average, hundreds of thousands for sure, And yet most
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men out there listening to us right now, including me,
have no idea how healthy our hearts are. Shouldn't we
be working to try to have regular Just hey, if
I can get in an MRI and if I think
I've got to torn acl, if I can go get
in the MRI machine and they can look at my knee,
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why would we not have heart health as a standard
part of American healthcare to try to avoid having anywhere
near as many heart attacks? Am I crazy on this?
In other words, let's address things that are actually creating
huge issues and put our resources there instead of I mean,
I don't know what we're still spending on COVID, but
(28:33):
we spent way more on COVID then I bet we
have ever on American heart disease. And heart disease is
going to continue to kill us for decades this way.
And I'm saying it as a sort of male health thing.
But when I watched that Jesse Waters clip that you
shared last night, there's just so much that we don't
know the answer to that It feels like it's very
(28:54):
basic that we should be addressing purely from a science
perspective to find out why it's happening, because we know
testosterone is the engine that drives men. If we have
low testosterone levels, men are not healthy and that's happening,
and it's like nobody's asking questions about it, right Well,
like I said, it's part of the overall health decline
that has gone on. But you would think that as
(29:16):
we become more technologically advanced, which we are, and as
we have more medical interventions and medical tools possible, which
we have, that people would that you would see these
increased health outcomes. The problems is we now, you know,
for basically all of human history, Clay, we were worried
about we're worried about scarcity, and there were diseases of scarcity.
(29:42):
You know, not enough vitamin C, you get scurvy, not
enough food, you starve to death, not enough you know,
you go down the list all these different things, you know,
not enough iron, or anemic, not enough. Now we have
diseases of over abundance. That's actually how successful our society, America,
specifically Western developed a world countries have become that you
(30:03):
can eat hyper delicious food all the time. You can
work without moving very much. I mean, you can earn
a living with that. As I sit here.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
This is one of the reason why Clay and I
get up during our radio breaks and walk around a
little bit. It's really it's important because we do three
hours and then we do podcasts and other things. I
used to I have some days club and I was
in the radio studio. I would be I wouldn't really
move for like six hours.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
Yeah, that is terrible for.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
It's like being on a plane for six hours is
terrible for you. You don't want to do that every day.
Doing it every day is really bad for you. But
I feel like people they're so you know, you had
this whole like fat positivity thing that was coming on
coming along for a while, which is I think is
dying down now.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
You know, you just want to be accountable.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
You want to be you know, I think about this,
People like why Buck, why do you want to get healthy?
One because some of you told me I look like
missus doubtfire and you were kind of telling you the
bus and that.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
Hurt, but it was important. Two two, which was funny
but mean. Funny but mean too.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
I have a son coming along, and I want to
be able to take I sawn out and be the
athletic guy that I had been my whole life and
not you know, not be getting injured and not be
getting slowed down. It's not about being perfect. It's not
about all these people. Don't even get me started on
all the people you see on Instagram and everything else.
If they're holding themselves up as a model of fitness,
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the chance as a man or a woman that they're
taking things they're not telling you about is like ninety
five percent, just so you know, to include steroids or
exogronous testosterone that they're not telling you about. But they
just want you to believe that they have some program
it's going to fix everything for you. It's about being
your best, healthiest, strongest self, which also means the most
testosterone you can have at your age as a guy
(31:38):
as a guy, and the most you know, hormonal balance
you could achieve as a man or a woman so
that you have optimal health. And RFK is right on
the money with this stuff. To your point, obesity used
to be a sign of extreme wealth. Now it's actually
a sign by and large of poverty, which is interesting
that shift, right, used to be the royals who would
have enough food to eat when everybody else was starving.
(31:59):
Now eating unhealthy and putting on weight as oftentimes a sign.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
Of lack of wealth. And on your walking thing as
we get ready for break here, I have thrown the
iHeart tech team into absolute fear on a level that
I'm not sure I've ever seen before. Because I said,
I don't in a new house. I don't want to
have a walking you know, stand up desk, right, some
people write books, they stand up. They want to be
up more. I said, you know this, I want to
(32:25):
have a treadmill so that I can do this show
while walking for all three hours. And they are just
the tech on. This has thrown them into an absolute
like whirlwind. But to your point, we sit in a
chair for three hours. I would prefer just to be
slowly walking for three hours while we do the show.
(32:47):
I don't know how the tech's gonna work, but right
now the iHeart engineers are just terrified about what the
impact of this is gonna be.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
So stay, We'll talk about this stuff all day, not
as somebody who's an expert, but as somebody who's been
through the war so to speak of health as an
expert recently, and I feel very passionately about it because
there's so much misinformation, bad information and stuff out there
and people created, there's all kinds of unrealistic expectations. Health
is in each of our individual hands, and I think
(33:14):
that RFK Junior can do a lot to help guide
to the degree it's possible, uh with whatever, you know,
whatever tools are at his disposal guide people toward optimizing
their health. And for the guys out there, yeah, you
don't want to have the testosterone level of your average
NPR host. You just don't. As a guy, it's not
(33:34):
I mean, it's truly not good for you. It's not
just that you're going to be a whimp who's going
to hide behind your wife in the bar when some
guy says something.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
Mean, it's bad for your heart, health, it's bad for everything.
So this stuff is real, it's serious. You know, my
brother and I were at the range last weekend. I
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Speaker 1 (35:23):
Today news and politics, but also a little comic relief.
Clay Travis at Buck Sexton. Find them on the free
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into Clay and Buff. Let's take some calls here. Quick
Pete in South Dakota wants to talk to testosteron what's
going on? My friend?
Speaker 5 (35:44):
Yeah, I just wanted to mention the reason that men's
testosterone is so low is because, like Buck said, we
are becoming increasingly fat. Men are fat is estrogen dominant,
and the estrogen outcompete the testosterone. Therefore, that's why men's
levels have gotten so low, is because we are becoming
(36:06):
so fast.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
That is true, that is biochemically accurate, and it's something
that I've learned and been a student of myself in
this last year Pete, thank you so much for calling in.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
Where we go, Darryl and West Bend, Wisconsin. Real quick, y'all,
we got thirty seconds or so. Go ahead.
Speaker 3 (36:26):
Well, you guys are talking about the screening for the heart.
Speaker 5 (36:29):
There's a screening called the.
Speaker 3 (36:30):
Calcium score screening. It's basically a heart scan and that
scale goes from zero to four hundred and it tells
you the calcium build up issues with the heart in
and around the heart.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
And I see so many hear about how many people
dying over fifty years old, And.
Speaker 3 (36:46):
It's as simple. All they had to do was go
get a calcium scorre screening. You can go get one
for fifty bucks and pay for an out of your
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Speaker 1 (00:53):
So we cover a lot of ground, no doubt, absolute
wide range. And I covered a lot of ground this
morning for breakfast in downtown Franklin, Tennessee, which is a
hallmark town if there's ever been a town. And I
was with Secretary of the Interior, Doug Bergham, formerly the
governor of North Dakota, and you've got governor secretary. You've
(01:16):
got so many different titles now. But we talked about
a wide range of issues. But I want to start
with this because I remember the first time we had
you on was right after you injured yourself playing basketball
during the twenty twenty four presidential election cycle. You've now
recovered from that, but you told me that back in
(01:38):
nineteen ninety eight you got to participate in Michael Jordan's
basketball camp. That had to be an unbelievable opportunity. I
want our audience to hear what that might have been like.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
Well, first of all, Clay, a great tale breakfast with
you Pucketts in your hometown, fantastic revival any of the
great breakfast places in North Dakota. But yeah, what in
a life experience to go to the Michael Jordan basketball camp.
People think, oh, you're going to meet Michael Jordan. Part
of the way he ran that it was eighty people
over age thirty five. And you come and they have
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eight teams of ten, sixteen of the top college coaches.
My coaches were John Thompson, and Dean Smith, my buddy
from North Kota that came to the camp with me.
He had Roy Williams and Loud Olsen. So we're playing
for national championship coaches. I mean there was one instance
We're in a Cloak game and I got Dean Smith
(02:35):
and John Thompson chatting on the sidelines with each other,
not even paying attention to us guys out there on
the floor. We're playing Coach K and I was point guard.
I called the time out and the coach was a
little upset. He's like, what do you think you're coach now?
And I said no. He said, do you like getting
yelled at? I said, well, I think it could help.
We're down three in a close game, and it's the
only chance I'm ever going to say I was able
(02:56):
to play in a team that beat Coach K. But
what an experience.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Well, Doug, it's buck.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
I didn't get to have breakfast with you, but maybe
you'll come down to mind be beached some time. We
can go get some savice or something. And I want
to ask you about your portfolio as Interior Secretary, which
doesn't get as much I think attention to the news
as some of the other major agencies at the federal government,
but it is a vast, a vast entity, vast organization
(03:24):
with a lot of really important responsibilities. A lot of
people think of national parks, but you've also got mining rights.
I mean, you got a whole range of things, and
we don't have time to go over all of it, obviously.
I want you to tell me what are your top
priorities right now? I mean, I know you're working with
Tyler Hassen. Funny story, Tyler and I went to school
together in New York when we were little kids, a
(03:45):
long time ago, so I haven't seen him in a while.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
But he's a doge guy.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
So there's a cleaning up an efficiency part of this,
there's a mining part of this. What are the top
priorities for the Interior secretary right now?
Speaker 3 (03:55):
Well as simple as this, I mean, we're supporting President
trump'st agenda to bring peace abroad, which is, you know,
end the wars against US and around the world that
are be funding. They're all being funded, whether it's twenty
four terrorist groups being funded by Iran or the conflicts
in Eastern Europe being funded by Russia's oil sales. You know,
(04:16):
we need to be in a position with energy dominance
where we're selling energy to our friends and allies, so
they're going to buy it from our adversaries so that
we can fund both sides of a war. But when
we do that, we also are bringing prosperity at home,
because energy is not just an industry. Energy is the
industry that supports every other. There's a component in the
food you eat, the car you drive, the food on
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your table, there's an energy component. We bring energy prices down,
we bring the price of everything down. We bring prosperity
at home. And then you say, well, what does Interior
have to do with this, Well, you know, with the
vision of early leadership and then certainly expanded by by
Theodore Roosevelt, the United States of America, the balance sheet
of the United States of America a lot of that
(04:58):
in interior. Five hundred million acres of surface land, seven
hundred million acres of subservice filled with rich minerals and
energy sources, and then two point five billion offshore. If
Interior was a standalone company, it would have the largest
balance sheet of anyone in the world, any company in
the world. And we all hear about every election cycle. Oh,
(05:19):
this United States woe was us. We got thirty six
and a half trillion dollars in debt, and yeah, we've
got to stop spending more each fiscal year than we
bring in, start paying down the debt. But the asset
side of the balance sheet could be tripled what we
have there. We could have one hundred trillion dollars of assets.
So one of the things that we're working on is
(05:39):
trying to actually, for the first time, build out the
balance sheet of America so we can see just how
wealthy we are. And then of course using these resources
for the benefit and the use of the American people.
That's what they were put away for these public lands.
And under Obama and Biden, they were going to make
sure that we didn't We didn't cut a tree. They
killed the timber industry. We weren't going to do We
(06:01):
weren't going to develop our energy resources, whether it's oil
or gas or coal. Now we find ourselves in this
battle with China where they're controlling eighty five percent of
the processing of rare earths and critical minerals which we
need for defense and electronics. And so this is literally,
when I say piece of broad prosperity at home interiors
right in the mix of the fight on all the
(06:22):
core principles of President Trump's agenda.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
We're talking to Secretary of the Interior Doug Bergham. One
thing that I think is so incredibly important and some
people get it but others do not, and we were
talking about it some at breakfast is a lot of
these climate change zelots have bought into a process by
which they restrict our ability to create clean oil and
(06:46):
gas here I say clean relative to international standards, and
instead of allowing us to produce it here, they then
buy it, oftentimes from our enemies that use the money
they may from our oil and gas purchases to work
against American interest. And it's also produced much less refined,
(07:09):
It's dirtier in other words, and worse for the environment.
So they think they are being morally superior, but they're
actually creating a dynamic of oil and gas purchase that
makes the world worse, less clean, and also gives more
power to authoritarians who bear us ill will. Can you
(07:30):
break that down a little bit more, because I think
it's so important for people to understand, and as Secretary
of the Interior, it's a huge part of what you
do well.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
It was a fantastic summary. And again this yeah, like
most recently the Biden climate extremism. You know, they claimed
they were saving the planet, but they weren't doing anything
to diminish demand. They were just shifting supply. And when
you shift supply away from the US to our adversaries
who do not approach it with the same care, because
if you, if you cared about the environment, you would
(08:02):
insist that every electron of electricity, that every ounce of
a liquid fuel, of any form of energy was produced
here in the United States, because we do a cleaner, smarter, safer,
healthier than anyone else on the planet. And so again
you get these bizarre things where, hey, I'm going to
block a pipeline going through New York of clean natural
(08:23):
gas from Pennsylvania going into New England. We're going to
vote that down because the state of New York and
we believed for saving the planet. Meanwhile, because they do
that now in the state of Maine, eighty percent of
the homes are heated by heating oil. Forty one percent
of the homes in New Hampshire. At the time of
the Russian invasion of New Hampshire, we were off loading
in our country four hundred thousand barrels a day equivalent
(08:45):
of dirty Russian heating oil to heat homes in New
England because we couldn't get clean Pennsylvania US natural gas
to them because we're going to block a pipeline. I mean,
the absurdities and essentially the lie around somehow stopping energy
production or transportation in America was good for the global
(09:07):
environment or good for our environment. None of that's true.
It's all false. And then it raises the price. I mean,
the price of natural gas in New England in some
places is triple what it is in Pennsylvania. And that's
so unfair to Americans because we low priced energy is
what's going to bring manufacturing back on shore. It's what's
going to help us win the AI arms race against China.
(09:27):
It's what's going to help, you know, people pay their bills,
and it's going to bring down even the price of
groceries when we have lower energy prices. So again, we're
in a battle of common sense here, and we're fighting
for every American because every American deserves to have access
to clean, low cost, affordable, reliable energy.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
We're speaking to Interior Secretary Doug Bergham and mister Secretary.
Rare earth minerals getting a lot of attention these days,
particularly because of the back and forth with China and
the trade negotiations, and where we get a rare earth
minerals from first, How does that play into I mean,
maybe you give us a few things, why do we
need them? How does China play into this? And how
(10:08):
do we get more rare earth minerals here domestic sources
in America?
Speaker 3 (10:14):
Well, because, as I said earlier, the massive amounts of
federal or in public lands that we have seven hundred
million acres a lot of it in the Western United States.
That are these public lands that are rich with all
kinds of minerals, and whether they're minerals, critical minerals, rare
earth minerals being anything copper, silver, gold, but all the
(10:37):
things we need, antimony, we need for ammunition, there's other
things that we need just to be able to manage
electronic and defense sectors. China has been well here at
home with Obama Biden declaring a war on mining in
our country, just like they had a war on oil
(10:57):
and oil and gas production. We are, you know, turning
that around one hundred and eighty degrees. So in addition
to drill baby drill, with President Trump, we've got to
mine baby mine. And to do that, we've got to
be able to permit, and we've got to be able
to actually be able to get capital from the private
sector going to work. We have literally killed the mining
(11:18):
industry in this in this country, and and of course
China has exploited that. They now control, as I said earlier,
eighty five percent of the processed rare earth minerals that
we need. It's a lever that they can use in
the battles that we're in with them right now. And
so we've got to get ourselves back in this game,
and we've got to make sure that we're sporting that.
(11:39):
But under President Trump is starting to happen and whether
that is you know, again coal we need coal for
two reasons. We need for producing electricity. We also needed
there's metallurgical coal. In that metallurgical coal, there are rare
earth minerals that we need, and there's base materials like coke,
which we need for steelmaking in this country. I was,
(12:00):
I was, you know, we had a thing called fast
forty one that we discovered. It was a way to
speed up projects. There have only been two mining projects
ever put on there. President Trump put ten on there
last week. There's dozens more that are coming soon. Resolution
Copper Mind thirty year saga of trying to get a
permit to start. We tackled this right after President Trump.
(12:22):
He put out in the Executive Orders we have an
energy emergency. We need to expedite this stuff. In three
months now we've got approvals for starting of the Resolution
Copper Mind in Arizona, and then again at a rare
earth mining operation. There's a gold mine in California. They
can also pull rare earth minerals out of that same operation.
(12:43):
We're fast tracking all of that. So we're working round
the clock to get back in the mining game because
if we don't, this is a situation where again we
could end up losing. You know, our technology is better,
our resources is better, everything we've got is better. But
because of buaq see an ideology around climate, we end
up losing this AI arms race to China. That would
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be a sad thing.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
Last question for you, you are going to be I
believe you're going to be bringing a new park into
the into the country, and it's one that President Trump
announced earlier this year down in Texas with Joscelyn Nungary
and her family. What can you tell us about what
you're doing there.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
Well, we're heading, we'll be there tomorrow. And this is
an existing US Fish and Wildlife Refuge that had a
being renamed in honor of Joscelyn Nungerre And of course,
unfortunately America knows her story. Twelve year old, beautiful young
woman who was tragically and horribly murdered and killed by
(13:52):
illegal immigrants. President Trump acknowledged her mother and her sister.
They were present at the House Chambers when he was
giving us joint address to the two Chambers this year.
Touching moment for sure, any of us that are parents
hard to think about what it would be like to
lose your twelve year old daughter for any reason, but
(14:12):
for those reasons in particular, and that but she loved
loved wildlife and loved the outdoors. And President Trump wants
to make sure that she's remembered forever. And so we're
renaming this US Fish and Wildlife Refuge. We changed the
name on the electronic maps. The day after he gave
(14:34):
that that beautiful speech that he delivered to the whole country,
but will be there tomorrow with the family many extended
family members. Could be more than twenty people from the
Nungarry family there, including Jocelyn's mother and sister and others,
And we'll be there in person, and we're going through
the physical renaming of the all the signage around the park,
(14:57):
and we'll be there and I'm sure that's going to
be a touching moment for all involved. But again, it's
just something that's so genuine out President Trump, who who
generally cares about the people in our country, and that's
why he's fighting so hard every day to make sure
that we've got safe and secure borders and that we've
you know, bringing peace to the world.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
Secretary the Interior, Doug Berger, I appreciate you being with
us or thank you so much.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
Well, great to be with both of you and look
forward to be back on and thank you both for
all you do and helping helping inspire America to reach
our fullest potential, whether it's the parents or as a country.
So thanks for all you do, gentlemen. Thank you.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
Inflation is not going down fast that if we were
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Appreciate Interior Secretary Doug Bergham there breaking down what I
think is really one of the most underreported stories out there,
that is, climate change activists have actually propped up authoritarian
governments because our demand for oil and gas has not declined,
and instead of producing it here in a relatively clean manner,
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we now have to go overseas and buy it from
people who hate us, and that is ultimately destructive to
our power in the world. But also it allows people
who are in many ways engaging in acts of evil
to be undercut and to be supported, to be funded
by us. It's wild. We come back. We'll take some
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(19:09):
We talked about Pete Hegseth being under fire and basically
from the moment he was announced as a nominee, the
attack on him has been unlike the attacks on anybody else,
and that's different. I think you said yesterday, Buck that
you kind of thought that RFK Junior would be the
guy who came in for the most attack, or Tulsea Gabbard,
(19:31):
somebody who used to be a Democrat. Instead, those guys
have flown under the radar a little bit and been
able to make their arguments publicly. And I believe this
was yesterday on Jesse Waters, RFK Junior went on and
this is something we've talked a lot on this program
about how we need to have more kids in this
country and also frankly, in western civilizations around the world,
(19:55):
whether it's Italy, whether it's South Korea, whether it's Japan.
If if you look at the number of babies being born,
the number of kids is collapsing, and it doesn't take
very long. For instance, I think South Korea, the average
woman is now having point seven children. Basic math would
suggest that the average woman needs to have at least
(20:18):
two point one children or the overall population is going
to collapse. So when someone in South Korea is having
point seven children. That means in the face of a
few generations, a country can essentially be wiped off the
planet because they're just not having enough babies to reproduce.
And there's a lot of talk about women, but one
(20:39):
ass that doesn't get talked about very much, and it's
very strange, and it's as if you're not allowed to
raise it as an issue at all. The ability of
men to produce frankly, lots of sperm and have a
high sperm count, which is also kind of important when
it comes to children, has plummeted and buck I haven't
(21:01):
ever really heard a strong explanation of why this is happening.
But RFK Junior went on with Jesse Waters yesterday and
this is what the conversation sounded like. Listen to this
cut three.
Speaker 4 (21:14):
A teenager today, an American teenager has less testosterone than
is a sixty eight year old man. Well firm counseler
down fifty percent.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
American has less testosterone than a sixty year old man.
Speaker 4 (21:29):
That's right because dost ostron levels have dropped fifty percent
from historic levels, and you know, and that is a problem,
and it's an existential problem, but it's only that is
only when we have obesity that is off the charts.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
Okay, so this is a part of this gender universe
that we have created where men are supposed to be
more like women and women are supposed to be more
like men, and eventually, oh, we can't even tell Jim
just made up. It's not a real thing. This should
be am I crazy on this buck? Are you with
me as well? Shouldn't everyone want to know what is
(22:11):
occurring such that male testosterone rates are collapsing that when
it comes to basic biology sperm, this is true, the
amount of functional sperm that the average man produces is
collapsing as well. Shouldn't this be kind of a calamitous
thing that we should be looking at and talking about
and asking what's going on? What are the products that
(22:33):
we're consuming? How has this occurred? I think it's quite
clearly not a good thing. Well, yeah, and there are
a few things that right away jump out. First of all,
for men, testosterone level is a pretty good indicator of
overall health.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
Now that doesn't mean that if you have a higher
than average dhesosp level you're in great health. It doesn't,
but it's a pretty good indicator. And I'll be honest
with you. As as I've looked at, you know, my
blood and my fitness journey of the last six months
or so to kind of get back in shape. One
thing I definitely had to look at with was t
levels and what you find is mine had dropped much
(23:14):
more in the last few years, much more rapidly than
they had previously. I don't know why, and I've been
able to address that by uh, supplementation, exercise, diet changes,
focus on protein.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
You know.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
Now, I was I was in the within the range
of of like normal, but I wanted to get to
a sort of you know, the upper end of it
because I thought it would feel it would feel better.
The big issue that a lot of people have is
I'm talking about men now, where women have testascer and too,
they obviously have far less of it, and even like
guys on MSNBCF test sascer and they just have even
less than women. But the you re g it a joke,
(23:54):
but remember the NPR guys got tested and they were
basically off the charts. The men at NPR had testosterone
levels that were almost they had the testosterol level non existent.
NPR NPR guys in their thirties had testosterol levels of
like twelve year old girls. It was crazy, It was
(24:15):
really remarkable. I mean they I don't even know what
to say other than it was you know, these guys
had like one of them was in the one hundreds,
which is actually a clinically, i mean, medically deficient level
like that that needs it's a medical condition. If you're
a guy and you have a very low level of testosterone,
you need to get that addressed. It affects you in
very real ways. You're but people are asking why this
(24:36):
is like our kid, you just bring this up. Now,
there's a lot of people say like microplastics, and you
get into some of this stuff where it's just like
everything everything is making unhealthy every Oh, it's the water
you're drinking, it's the area, everything's everything.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
No, no, no, start with the basics. We are too fat,
we are too sedentary, we are eating too many processed.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
Foods, and that for men is a huge problem for
test stosterone and for fertility and for creating enough sperm.
But this has become a societal issue now. I mean,
this is actually it's not just something that you know,
you read about in Men's Health magazine.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
We have people. It affects your psychology. If you're a
man with deficient testosterone, it affects your ability to obviously
have children when you look at the sperm count.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
And this needs to be addressed. An RFK Junior wants
to make this a thing. But you know, everybody, it's amazing.
I even talk to friends of mine play guys in
their thirty you know, late thirties, early forties, like, well,
what is your testosterone level?
Speaker 1 (25:38):
They have no idea. Yeah, most people have no idea.
Most people. I mean, I think this is one of
those things where men in general don't talk very much
about health, and so we're like totally imbeciles on much
of male health related issues, whereas I think in general
(26:00):
women are more aware. This is Look, this is why
men one of many reasons why men live about five
years shorter than women. We have severe health related issues
and we don't go to doctors as much and we
don't get things fixed. But yeah, I think I was
actually having this conversation with my wife the other day.
It feels to me often Buck and this is me
(26:21):
kind of getting on a soapbox here for a minute,
But it feels like we spend lots of time on
things that aren't very dangerous, and very little time on
things that are incredibly dangerous. Let me give you an example.
I had a friend recently who just dropped dead at
forty five years old, and it turns out that he
(26:44):
had I think a major heart related condition based on
what I have been told, and it seems to me
and some of you out there may be brilliant enough
to do this. Heart disease is I believe I'm correct,
Buck the number one killer of me in by far right,
and it kills a lot of women. Cheers number men.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
There's number two, heart disease, number one.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Heart disease number one. But how often do you hear
of someone who otherwise appears to be healthy and then
they have a massive heart attack and they just die.
Shouldn't we have instead of everybody having to get a
colon examination, which everybody does, and I'm not necessarily knocking
that from a health perspective, when you get to be
like forty five years old, shouldn't you be having a
(27:28):
really detailed electro cardiogram of your heart to find out
whether you have stoppages and blockages that could lead to
a catastrophic heart attack because we know that this is
killing whatever it is, millions of people probably a year
on average, hundreds of thousands for sure, And yet most
(27:50):
men out there listening to us right now, including me,
have no idea how healthy our hearts are. Shouldn't we
be working to try to have regular Just hey, if
I can get in an MRI and if I think
I've got to torn acl, if I can go get
in the MRI machine and they can look at my knee,
(28:11):
why would we not have heart health as a standard
part of American healthcare to try to avoid having anywhere
near as many heart attacks? Am I crazy on this?
In other words, let's address things that are actually creating
huge issues and put our resources there instead of I mean,
I don't know what we're still spending on COVID, but
(28:33):
we spent way more on COVID then I bet we
have ever on American heart disease. And heart disease is
going to continue to kill us for decades this way.
And I'm saying it as a sort of male health thing.
But when I watched that Jesse Waters clip that you
shared last night, there's just so much that we don't
know the answer to that It feels like it's very
(28:54):
basic that we should be addressing purely from a science
perspective to find out why it's happening, because we know
testosterone is the engine that drives men. If we have
low testosterone levels, men are not healthy and that's happening,
and it's like nobody's asking questions about it, right Well,
like I said, it's part of the overall health decline
that has gone on. But you would think that as
(29:16):
we become more technologically advanced, which we are, and as
we have more medical interventions and medical tools possible, which
we have, that people would that you would see these
increased health outcomes. The problems is we now, you know,
for basically all of human history, Clay, we were worried
about we're worried about scarcity, and there were diseases of scarcity.
(29:42):
You know, not enough vitamin C, you get scurvy, not
enough food, you starve to death, not enough you know,
you go down the list all these different things, you know,
not enough iron, or anemic, not enough. Now we have
diseases of over abundance. That's actually how successful our society, America,
specifically Western developed a world countries have become that you
(30:03):
can eat hyper delicious food all the time. You can
work without moving very much. I mean, you can earn
a living with that. As I sit here.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
This is one of the reason why Clay and I
get up during our radio breaks and walk around a
little bit. It's really it's important because we do three
hours and then we do podcasts and other things. I
used to I have some days club and I was
in the radio studio. I would be I wouldn't really
move for like six hours.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
Yeah, that is terrible for.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
It's like being on a plane for six hours is
terrible for you. You don't want to do that every day.
Doing it every day is really bad for you. But
I feel like people they're so you know, you had
this whole like fat positivity thing that was coming on
coming along for a while, which is I think is
dying down now.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
You know, you just want to be accountable.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
You want to be you know, I think about this,
People like why Buck, why do you want to get healthy?
One because some of you told me I look like
missus doubtfire and you were kind of telling you the
bus and that.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
Hurt, but it was important. Two two, which was funny
but mean. Funny but mean too.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
I have a son coming along, and I want to
be able to take I sawn out and be the
athletic guy that I had been my whole life and
not you know, not be getting injured and not be
getting slowed down. It's not about being perfect. It's not
about all these people. Don't even get me started on
all the people you see on Instagram and everything else.
If they're holding themselves up as a model of fitness,
(31:17):
the chance as a man or a woman that they're
taking things they're not telling you about is like ninety
five percent, just so you know, to include steroids or
exogronous testosterone that they're not telling you about. But they
just want you to believe that they have some program
it's going to fix everything for you. It's about being
your best, healthiest, strongest self, which also means the most
testosterone you can have at your age as a guy
(31:38):
as a guy, and the most you know, hormonal balance
you could achieve as a man or a woman so
that you have optimal health. And RFK is right on
the money with this stuff. To your point, obesity used
to be a sign of extreme wealth. Now it's actually
a sign by and large of poverty, which is interesting
that shift, right, used to be the royals who would
have enough food to eat when everybody else was starving.
(31:59):
Now eating unhealthy and putting on weight as oftentimes a sign.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
Of lack of wealth. And on your walking thing as
we get ready for break here, I have thrown the
iHeart tech team into absolute fear on a level that
I'm not sure I've ever seen before. Because I said,
I don't in a new house. I don't want to
have a walking you know, stand up desk, right, some
people write books, they stand up. They want to be
up more. I said, you know this, I want to
(32:25):
have a treadmill so that I can do this show
while walking for all three hours. And they are just
the tech on. This has thrown them into an absolute
like whirlwind. But to your point, we sit in a
chair for three hours. I would prefer just to be
slowly walking for three hours while we do the show.
(32:47):
I don't know how the tech's gonna work, but right
now the iHeart engineers are just terrified about what the
impact of this is gonna be.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
So stay, We'll talk about this stuff all day, not
as somebody who's an expert, but as somebody who's been
through the war so to speak of health as an
expert recently, and I feel very passionately about it because
there's so much misinformation, bad information and stuff out there
and people created, there's all kinds of unrealistic expectations. Health
is in each of our individual hands, and I think
(33:14):
that RFK Junior can do a lot to help guide
to the degree it's possible, uh with whatever, you know,
whatever tools are at his disposal guide people toward optimizing
their health. And for the guys out there, yeah, you
don't want to have the testosterone level of your average
NPR host. You just don't. As a guy, it's not
(33:34):
I mean, it's truly not good for you. It's not
just that you're going to be a whimp who's going
to hide behind your wife in the bar when some
guy says something.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
Mean, it's bad for your heart, health, it's bad for everything.
So this stuff is real, it's serious. You know, my
brother and I were at the range last weekend. I
was talking about, you know, Mace, I've got this great
new sponsor, USCCA. I think I can probably you know,
get you a discount on a you know, use my code,
get you a discount on your own us CCA membership.
You know ready told me I've been a member for
(34:00):
three years.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
Buck, welcome to the party, Pal, I was like, WHOA, Okay,
Mason is very knowledgeable about firearms, and he's very knowledgeable,
but making sure that you're covered if you're going to
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That's why he's had USCCA for years. I've now joined
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owners who are USCCA members. In today's world, you can
(34:24):
do everything right and still end up charge, still end
up facing financial ruination because you lawfully defended yourself. That
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Speaker 1 (35:23):
Today news and politics, but also a little comic relief.
Clay Travis at Buck Sexton. Find them on the free
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into Clay and Buff. Let's take some calls here. Quick
Pete in South Dakota wants to talk to testosteron what's
going on? My friend?
Speaker 5 (35:44):
Yeah, I just wanted to mention the reason that men's
testosterone is so low is because, like Buck said, we
are becoming increasingly fat. Men are fat is estrogen dominant,
and the estrogen outcompete the testosterone. Therefore, that's why men's
levels have gotten so low, is because we are becoming
(36:06):
so fast.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
That is true, that is biochemically accurate, and it's something
that I've learned and been a student of myself in
this last year Pete, thank you so much for calling in.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
Where we go, Darryl and West Bend, Wisconsin. Real quick, y'all,
we got thirty seconds or so. Go ahead.
Speaker 3 (36:26):
Well, you guys are talking about the screening for the heart.
Speaker 5 (36:29):
There's a screening called the.
Speaker 3 (36:30):
Calcium score screening. It's basically a heart scan and that
scale goes from zero to four hundred and it tells
you the calcium build up issues with the heart in
and around the heart.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
And I see so many hear about how many people
dying over fifty years old, And.
Speaker 3 (36:46):
It's as simple. All they had to do was go
get a calcium scorre screening. You can go get one
for fifty bucks and pay for an out of your
own
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