July 30, 2025 • 36 mins
Hour 2 of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show delivers a dynamic mix of political analysis, economic updates, and breaking news. The hour begins with a strong focus on the Trump economy, highlighting a robust 3% GDP growth rate and second-quarter wage increases that outpaced inflation. Clay and Buck emphasize how this economic momentum contrasts with the Biden administration’s record, noting that Americans are finally seeing more money in their pockets. The Federal Reserve’s expected decision to hold interest rates steady, with two rate cuts projected by year’s end, is discussed as a potential relief for mortgage, auto loan, and credit card borrowers.
The conversation pivots to the political implications of redistricting ahead of the 2026 midterm elections. Texas has proposed a new congressional map that could add five Republican seats, potentially shifting control of the House. The hosts explore the broader impact of gerrymandering, pointing out how both red and blue states manipulate district boundaries to gain partisan advantage. They also highlight California’s response to Texas’s move, raising legal and political questions about nationwide redistricting strategies.
A major portion of the hour is dedicated to the judiciary appointment crisis under President Trump. The hosts detail how Senate Democrats are using the blue slip process to block over 130 judicial and U.S. attorney nominees, creating a procedural logjam. Utah Senator Mike Lee is cited as a key figure in addressing this issue, and Trump is urged to consider recess appointments to bypass obstruction. The segment includes sharp criticism of Senator Chuck Grassley’s response to Trump’s social media tirade and underscores the strategic importance of filling federal court vacancies with conservative judges.
In a breaking news segment, Clay and Buck discuss a Fox News report that FBI Director Kash Patel discovered thousands of sensitive documents related to the Trump-Russia collusion investigation hidden in burn bags inside a secret FBI room. The hosts express skepticism about whether these revelations will lead to criminal charges, citing statutory limitations and past disappointments. They argue that while the documents may confirm a coordinated effort to aid the Clinton campaign, the likelihood of accountability remains low.
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Episode Transcript
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Oh, welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton show. Appreciate
(00:04):
all of you hanging out with us. Good news on
the economy this morning. If you're just joining us. Three
percent growth, it exceeded the expectations of the so called experts.
We are nearing yet again another record high in the
stock market. Second quarter wage growth also, based on the
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evidence and data that I have seen, has been outgrowing
cost of goods. That is the number one if I
had to point to one economic sort of bell weather,
it would be is your average wage increasing more than
the cost of goods. That is a sign that you
end up with more money in your pocket than you
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used to. Under Biden for almost his entire time in office,
that was not true.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Under Trump.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
In this most recent quarter of three percent growth, that
is becoming true. I think it is likely to continue.
And that is when COVID hit to take you back
into February of twenty twenty. By basically every economic measure,
the country had never been stronger than it was in
February of twenty twenty when all of that happened. So
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that is good news that came out. We will await
further news. I believe the Fed is the FED is
announcing next hour. I think I'm right on this team.
Make sure that I am correct on this. What they
are going to do with interst rates. Expectations are that
they will not be changing anything with interest rates, but
there is an expectation that there will be two interst
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rate cuts now priced in before the end of the year.
So that would mean your mortgages, your car interest to loans,
your credit card debt, all theoretically would be getting somewhat
cheaper from the interst rate perspective. So that is the
big news I would say of the day of an
economic perspective. That's where we started off the show. Encourage
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Jerome Powell FED Reserve chairman to FED Board chairman to
(02:41):
see what he is going to do and what the
FED has voted to do. Again, expectation nothing going to change.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
Two other stories are going to dive into some in
this hour. One reports, and I'm going to read up
on this because I haven't had time to fully read
it from Fox News that cash Patel has found document
and it's relating to Russia collusion that they were trying
to destroy, they were trying to burn, they were trying
to get rid of, thousands of them. Will dive into that.
(03:08):
I want to get bucks take maybe at the bottom
of the hour, off the top.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
I think this is really.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
Significant news, and so far it has not gotten as
much attention. But we all know midterms are coming up
next year a little bit over a year from now,
it's going to be determined who controls the House and
who controls the Senate. Republicans in pretty good shape in
the Senate. The House is swinging back and forth on
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a pinprick, a tiny Republican majority or a tiny Democrat majority,
and every state out there to a large extent, has
jerrymandered at this point their state. If it's a strong
red state, there is a strong bias in favor of
the Republican party when it comes to districts. If there
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is a strong blue state, there is a strong Democrat
party by when it comes to districts. That is, most
states are not directly proportional. So if you have a state,
let's say, where sixty percent of the vote goes red
or blue, it's likely the case that more than sixty
percent of the congressional seats are going one way or
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the other. Okay, Texas is in line. They don't have
a legislature that is in session. Every year the legislature
is in session, they are called to design new districts,
and they just in the state of Texas have released
a proposed map that would increase the number of Republican
districts by five. This could be hugely transformative, given that
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five seats may well decide who ends up controlling the
House or not. So this new plan would take Republicans
from twenty five seats expected to thirty, and Democrats in
Texas from thirteen to eight.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
It is a big store.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
It is one that I think is going to become
increasingly more important because California under Gavin Newsom is saying, well,
we're going to redo all of our districts if Texas acts.
Even though that might be challenging legally, Trump wants to
control the House. Is important that he do so this
is going to be I think the number one battle
next year.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
And you'll see that this is just pure power politics
and that's a good thing, meaning that this is what
we should do in every state where we can do it,
and Democrats will cry about it. Meanwhile, they do it
in every state where they can do it. This is
what goes on now is it's like country's drawing lines
on a map. A lot of the time it's arbitrary,
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and he who is mighty enough to do it does it.
And that's what you get with the redistricting. If you
like what's going on, you call it maybe redistricting. If
you don't, if it's the other party, then you call
it jerry mandering. And you're supposed to be very upset
about the jerry mendering that's going on. But Republicans need
to pay attention to this. There are states where even
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state level. Obviously, congressional redistricting fits right into the federal
issues into Congress. But what we've seen in Wisconsin with
the state Supreme Court there is troubling for Republicans. We're
going to be losing likely control there. There's a whole
bunch of fights that are playing out now in different states.
(06:28):
And another thing that I wanted to bring up play
is this blue slip process, which I think Trump just
tweeted about it earlier today, and he's saying that Republicans
need to just stop playing this game where if you
have a Democrat senator, even one, not even necessarily two
in Georgia there's two of them. But if you have
a Democrat senator in a purple state, Trump's judges aren't
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getting through and trump US attorneys aren't getting through. And
now I know you could say, well, this is the
way it goes.
Speaker 4 (06:59):
This has been the rule.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
It is a self imposed rule, and Democrats are abusing
the spirit of the rule such that you can't get
anybody through unless they're essentially a Democrat, unless it's clear
that they're going to let So what's the point of
the president being able to appoint US attorneys and judges,
federal judges in these states. If they're just going to
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only allow Democrat appointees effectively to get through, it's absurd.
It's absurd. And by the way, they are the ones
this is very important for every to know. Usually the
way it works with a US attorney is you get
the acting US Attorney and then if they don't put
through somebody else, that acting US attorney is often by
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a judge made the permanent US attorney. This is the
way the system works. It's not happening in New York.
It's not happening in California, it's not happening.
Speaker 4 (07:51):
In New Jersey.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
All of a sudden, judges are getting really picky about
these Trump appointees.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
Clay Well, and if you want to point to something
that is not We've moved a rapid speed, and Trump
has done a ton in the first six months. If
you want to point to an area where the speed
has not reflected, maybe what you would hope for, it's judges.
And to your point, that's because of Democrat roadblocks. I
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think there are a team looked this up in New
York City, if you would please, I think there are
somewhere around one hundred and thirty pending judiciary related appointments
from Trump that are just logjammed. You cannot get them
through right now because Democrats have thrown themselves athwart the
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procedural posture here to keep it from happening. And I'm
talking about federal district court judges. I'm talking about circuit
court judge appointments. And mill Bove was just appealed, was
just approved yesterday by a vote one vote. They are
really doing everything they can to keep this happening. And
to your point, US attorneys as well, and I think
(09:04):
they're doing it because they've got their fingers crossed. They
have big announcement. We need to get Michael Wattley on
in North Carolina. That's going to be an absolute Donnie
Brook of a battle in North Carolina between he and
Roy Cooper over that Tom Tilly's seat to see who
retains it. North Carolina, major battleground, purplish state. And I
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think Democrats are hope hopeful. I don't think it's gonna happen,
but I think they're hopeful that they may be able
to make a run in the Senate as well, and
then just basically keep Trump from doing anything for two years.
Speaker 4 (09:39):
But it's just for.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
People who are going to say, and I know I'm
going to get some of this and probably get some calls,
but buck the blue slip process. This is what the
Senate has had, and they'll do it to us. Yeah,
but they're already doing unprecedented things by jamming up the
acting you know, if you're not going to here's what's
going on. If the acting US Attorney for examp sample
(10:01):
cannot be elevated to that role because Democrats refuse to
vote on and put forward a qualified permanent US attorney
that would get you know, that would get voted through
in the Senate, they're the ones that are causing this,
this logjam and this madness to happen. This way, the
plan B is the acting US Attorney stays in the role.
(10:24):
That's what's supposed to happen. They're not letting that happen.
So they're the ones who have escalated, is my point.
It's very unusual, even the New York Times that to
admit it's very unusual for this to be what goes on.
And of course the hashtag resistance judiciary and now US
attorneys as well, this is what they are doing. So
(10:44):
I'm with Trump on this one. I think you got
to you gotta fight fire with fire because Clay time
is flying and the midterms are gonna be here. We're
gonna be talking mid terms in six months.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
And Senator Mike Lee, it's one hundred and thirty five,
by the way, that are currently law jammed in the
judiciary universe that Trump is trying to get through. And
he laid out some of the reasons that this is
an issue, and I think we have him scheduled to
come on soon because I think he could take us
through the procedural mechanisms that are causing this to be
an issue. Some people are out there arguing now, and
(11:18):
again this gets into sort of the arcane nature of
the Senate and what is and is not permissible. Trump
needs to start to contemplate. I think recess appointments, which
have been used aggressively by prior presidents, and for whatever reason,
President Trump has not been particularly aggressive when it comes
(11:40):
to recess appointments. And again that gets into the weeds
of how the Senate moves.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
And I'm sure there is a.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Logic behind that, but when you've got one hundred and
thirty five people, according to Senator Mike Lee of Utah
that are right now backed up.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
This is something that is that needs to be rectified.
Speaker 4 (12:01):
Clay.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
Also, I've got here there's a response from Senator Chuck Grassley.
He is quote offended and disappointed by the tirade that
Trump unleashed on a social media over the blue slip process.
So you know this is already getting more attention Chuck,
I mean Chuck, Sorry, Trump wrote this about Grassley. Chuck Grassley,
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who I got re elected to the US Senate when
he was down by a lot in the great state
of Iowa, could solve the blue slip problem we are
having with respect to appointment of highly qualified judges and
US attorneys with a mere flick of the pen.
Speaker 4 (12:39):
Democrats like Schumer, etc.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
Sleeves bags all have ironclad stoppage of great Republican candidates.
Speaker 4 (12:46):
That's what's going on.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
Look, I think this is going to be a big deal.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
I was just texting right now with Senator Mike Lee
told him that we need to get him on to
explain exactly the protocol behind this and why it is
white skin held up like it is right now. So
we will follow up on this. But I wanted to
give you the latest on the redistricting, which is a
big deal, and also on the Senate hold up, and
then we'll dive into some of these reports from Fox
News Now about cash Ptel and the potential documents that
(13:13):
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Speaker 1 (14:54):
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Speaker 4 (14:57):
Welcome back to Clay Envok.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
We'll get some of your talkback, your calls, your thoughts,
all of that good stuff and let's do it. Actually,
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eib I'm.
Speaker 5 (15:09):
So glad you're bringing up this Senate issue. Hey, I've
been I'm fifty six years old. I'm just speaking around myself.
People are so sick of the Congress and Senate and
their little political games and all this stuff. It's America first,
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take care of the American people.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
Look, I just think there is a significant impact when
you win the House, the Senate, and the White House.
You had one of the most important things you can
do is fill all the nominees on the judiciary with
people who reflect your political worldview. And I thought Trump
one point oh, Buck, I don't know if you would
(15:54):
sign off on this. Maybe the most single successful thing
of Trump one point oh was the judiciary. If you
go back and look at all of the important rulings
that helped to keep Biden, for instance, from being able
to mandate the COVID shot. Remember when he was trying
to tell you basically, if you have a job, you're
allowed you're forced to get this shot. Student loans, presidential powers,
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all of it is a function of Trump getting three
nominees through on the United States Supreme Court, to say
nothing of all the district court judges. You know, one
of my favorite judges out there was the one who
did away with the mask requirement. Remember when we celebrated,
you still had to wear those stupid masks on airlines
until the one judge down in Florida said.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
Judge Mizelle, my hero. Judge Mizelle, my hero forever and
for all time, the greatest, maybe the greatest federal judge
of all judges of all time.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
And she actually gave the Biden team an opportunity to
avoid by driving their base in saying, by actually removing it,
they could just say, wow, this is a judge we disagree.
I think they initially appealed and then they abandoned the appeal.
But that's a function. She was a Trump appointee, and
all of these different decisions that are going to be
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made from the judiciary are going to exist long after
any of us right now are talking about the Trump
presidency for the next twenty thirty years. Trump would have
had to put out an executive order on day one
about masks. If she hadn't done that, Biden would not
have Biden would not have allowed us to take masks
off on planes all four years, you would be you
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would have been wearing masks like we're all a bunch
of idiots for all four years.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
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Speaker 1 (18:50):
Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Okay, there
is a story that is out there right now that
I want to dive into and see whether or not
we buy this, because again I would say, one of
the challenges that is out there in the Russia collusion
(19:11):
Epstein world of powerful people behaving badly is there has
consistently been overpromise and under delivery. And so this story
is out. This is from Brooks Singman at Fox News
Exclusive Cashptel found thousands of sensitive documents related to the
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origins of the Trump Russia probe buried in multiple quote
burn bags in a secret room inside the bureau, sources
familiar told me. And this is up on foxnews dot
com right now, and so a couple more details and
then I want to get your take on whether you
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buy this.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
And again my.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
Concern here is these stories come out, they immediately go viral.
They set the expectation of my Lucy Charlie Brown scenario.
Oh we've got him now. And by the way, this
has gone multiple directions. Democrats consistently told their base Trump's
done now, he's going to prison, and you know, he's
in the White House and he's more powerful than he's
(20:19):
ever been before. One of the documents found was a
class classified annex to former Special Counsel John Durham's final report,
which includes the underlying intelligence he reviewed, and all of
this is out there. Sources exclusively briefed say that this
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information is is.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
Going to quote.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
The release will lend more credibility to the assertion there
was a coordinated plan inside the US government to help
the Clinton campaign stir up controversy connecting Trump to Russia.
According to a source granted anonymity to discuss sensitive intelligence matters, Okay,
what do you think here, Buck does is there basically
(21:09):
anything that's going to change your opinion about where this
is headed? And what do you think about the latest news?
Speaker 3 (21:18):
Look, this is one of these I hope that my
sense on this is not what happens, but I'm pretty
sure it will.
Speaker 4 (21:28):
I don't think you're.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
Going to see charges or certainly not convictions, and probably
not charges related to anything Russia collusion, because they're just there.
Too much time has passed and the statutory framework is
not in place to bring those charge. If it was,
wouldn't you be hearing about what the likely charges would be.
(21:51):
And people keep writing into me. They'll say like treason,
and I appreciate the sentiment because it is a betrayal
of the country what happened, But treason has a specific
FED statutory definition giving aid and comfort to the enemy,
for example, and making that statement about Comy engaged in
(22:12):
collusion behind the scenes to pretend that he believed analysis
that he didn't really believe and then forded it. You know,
you can try to make this stuff stick. Look, maybe
I'm maybe I'm wrong. I mean, I tend not to
be wrong on this stuff, but maybe I'm wrong. The
cash betel thing that we're just seeing now, the story
that there's all this stuff found in burn bags sensitive information?
What does that mean that can I used to live
(22:35):
my life throwing things into burn bags all day at
the CIA, Right, that's how you deal with hard copy
that's classified. You throw it in a burn bag. That's
the proper way to dispose of it. I don't know
what's in these pages, you know, this is something, you know.
One way you can always tell is does the stuff
that does the stuff actually come out the explosive stuff
or not. Remember when they went into mar A Lago
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and they were Trump was like that he had nuclear
secrets that he was keeping in the shower. They took
photos of the like on the ground as if it
were like scandalous, and then they leaked them, which seems
kind of significant, but a desire to try to make
it seem like he had engaged an incredibly dangerous behavior.
Speaker 4 (23:12):
And yet you.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
Never really found out anything about what was in those
documents because I think it wasn't anything that anyone would say,
oh my gosh, how could Trump have had these locked
in some part of mar A Lago somewhere after being president?
So that's that's one way to assess these things. Is
it possible that there's something in this burnbag pile? Sure,
but you know, let's let's go through this logically. Everybody,
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you're at the FBI, you're engaged in a really underhanded
and disgusting and disgraceful conspiracy against Donald Trump, which was,
which is true, and which is what happened. You're gonna
just leave that stuff in burn bags and not make
sure it makes its way to the incinerator. Now maybe maybe,
but that's a level of sloppiness that you're you're assuming
(23:59):
the ed me so to speak, has engaged in here
that I don't know. I don't know if they're that dumb.
It is possible, It is possible, but I just think,
don't get your hopes up.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
All I'm gonna say is, if I had in my
possession a document that I wanted that I was so
worried about burning because I was concerned about what the
impact might be, I'm going to start the process of
burning it and not compete complete it. To your point,
it is a level of incompetence that I find staggering
(24:34):
to believe could occur. And again, I think a lot
of you are out there and you're just of the
opinion as it pertains to Russia collusion or Epstein or
anything else in that universe. Hey go ahead and put
some people in handcuffs and let's see some arrest, Let's
see some charges brought and on the Epstein thing on
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this Julane Maxwell Engelbuck. It's now pivoted to hey, maybe
we should pardon her. So the only person who is
actually in prison for anything related to Epstein, that the
whole Epstein universe. It just spirals out of control and
one conspiracy builds on top of another. I will confess
(25:15):
to everyone. I never thought the Epstein angle would go
from where we were about I don't know a few
weeks ago, to hey, the only person who is in
prison for committing crimes relating to Epstein, it's Julane Maxwell.
Maybe she should be pardoned and let out of prison
(25:36):
so that nobody ever has any responsibility here, and you
were out. I think I did mention this, and I
think this is a failure of media in general. And
I think a lot of people out there don't know it.
You know it because I think we've talked about it
off air, but I don't know that we've talked about
it on air. People say, what about all the Epstein victims?
I mean, do they not demand justice? All these things?
(25:57):
Around five hundred million dollars was paid out to the
women who said I was abused by Epstein by his estate,
and it's like, nobody talks about those payouts. But around
one hundred and twenty some odd women came forward and said, hey,
(26:18):
I was a victim of Epstein. Here is my story.
And roughly five hundred million dollars from the Epstein estate
and a couple of different big investment banks that were
associated with him paid out damages to those women. So
people say, well, what about all these women, They're not
getting their stories. Still, around one hundred and thirty ish
(26:38):
of them came forward and said, hey, I am a victim.
Here is my story. And the estate paid out over
nearly five hundred million dollars in damages. So many of
these women got paid millions of dollars. Civilly Julane Maxwell
went to prison. Epstein probably would have, but there's only
one person in prison. I'm a little bit surprised that
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the topic now is, oh, maybe Trump should pardon Maxwell,
and now she's negotiating to talk in front of Congress.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
But all those things. Can I just say this strange?
Speaker 3 (27:13):
Bringing it back to this story about about FBI Director
Patel finding these thousands of pages of sensitive documents, Well,
if it's thousands of pages, I don't think anybody knows
what's in the documents? Really sensitive documents just means they're
more classified. And if you work inside of a classified facility,
let me tell you a lot of people classify what
they had for lunch yesterday. They shouldn't, but they do,
(27:36):
just because it becomes habit if you're a classification originator.
So everything the FBI is working on is going to
be mark secret or more confidential, or whatever it may be.
So I'm sure there's a lot of classified documents in burnbags.
Does any of it have any again, I don't know.
I can't see, but I don't want. This is clearly
a story that is going to get people thinking, oh wait,
(27:59):
maybe now we've got it.
Speaker 4 (28:01):
We got it.
Speaker 3 (28:01):
We got to pump the brakes. All of them said,
is pump the brakes. We don't know if we have
anything with this yet. I believe that there's a lot
of sensitive stuff. That's a lot of i should say
classified stuff that has been found in burn bags that
may relate to Russia collusion. Is that going to tell
us anything we don't already even know. We'll see thousands
of pages would take some time to read through, right,
(28:23):
thousands of pages is not something you can scan and
just go, oh, yeah, I know what's going on here.
So we'll we'll have to give a little bit of
time to this one. But again, on the Russia collusion thing,
the I think the transparency aspect of it is important,
and I think that also harassing the people involved at
some level with the process, because this is what they
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do to us all the time. If you want to
raise the temperature, if you want to raise the cost
of what they did, at least make them go through
the process of explaining why it's not criminal, you know,
put them in front of put them in front of
members of Congress, put them in front of these Do you.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
Think it shame behavior in the agencies?
Speaker 4 (29:03):
Can you do?
Speaker 1 (29:04):
You? Do you think that this story because I think
I think the odds of there being substantial punishments are low.
I do retrospectively, but I do think prospectively, if people
start thinking, hey, we've got to be careful about how
we analyze politics inside of these agencies, maybe there is
(29:24):
more of a less of an aggressive political bin. Do
you buy that it's changing the culture? I guess inside
of these agencies.
Speaker 3 (29:33):
This is a wimpy answer, but I think it's the
correct answer, which is just too soon, too soon to tell.
I think the efforts are in earnest underway right now
to do that. But these are after These are vast organizations.
Think of it like if you're trying to root out
all the Communists in a state school with tens of
(29:53):
thousands of students and professors, and you know it's it's
these are big entities. These are noth but you know
the I mean the FBI number, for example, I think
is how many FBI agents. I know DJ has one
hundred thousand employees or one hundreds.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
When we visited the CIA, I was just stunned by
the sheer in Normandy.
Speaker 4 (30:13):
It is. It is massive.
Speaker 3 (30:14):
That's told Clay it felt like going to work at
Langley every day. You know, when you see it in
the spy movies and stuff, it's all like hey, and
now you're in the director's office and there's like five
people making all the decisions. Showing up to Langley is
like showing up to Giant Stadium. There's parking lots, there's
like parking lots you know, X, Y and Z that
are like a mile walk from the building. Because there's
(30:36):
so many freaking people who work there, so changing the
culture of these places is really complicated, and.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
We'll see what ends up happening. By the way, we'll
take some of your calls, some of your talkbacks. I
think we're going to have Senator Mike Lee in the
third hour to talk to us about the procedural issues
in the Senate, and Tommy Laerin from OutKick Get Your Popcorn.
She has been firing on all fronts. We are confirmed
with Senator Mike Lee, Utah and to join us top
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him about what exactly is going on with the log
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Welcome back into Clay and Buck coming up here. We're
going to be taking some big guests on in the
next hour. Senator Mike Lee of Utah will be with us,
and then Tommy Laren Fox Newses and outkicks on. Tommy Laren,
who is going to speak on behalf of the maligned
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Speaker 4 (34:32):
Let's just be.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
Honest, add attractive blond women are finally going to get
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A moment in the time.
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I know, I know.
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Just they're usually shrinking violets. You never see them, never
get any attention. I just it's good to have good
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Yeah, I think it's it's it's high time. It's high
time Clay find.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
That photo that we took when we first started the show.
Maybe they can find yes, Yes, we should have.
Speaker 3 (35:00):
Everybody here saw it remembers it was uh, it was uh,
you know, not not our finest moment.
Speaker 4 (35:07):
I looked like an elephant seal.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
Tommy is in between us and whoever took the photo
and allowed it to be distributed humbly should be murdered
on the spot for I believe it was.
Speaker 3 (35:18):
It was your your, your good buddy who's now doing
something else. But uh, yes, I think it was mister
Dubb who took.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
Oh that's right, Dub, who is uh out in San Antonio.
He might be listening right now, Dub.
Speaker 3 (35:28):
I love you, Dub, but your photographer, hopefully he's not
working as a photographer.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
I will defend Dubb this week. Yeah, you better not me.
You better not be working as a photographer. Fat guys.
Uh because he did not help us, I will say
in Dubb's defense, I bet he didn't even look at
us in the photo.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
Tommy is in the center.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
I bet he didn't like he didn't realize that you
and I looked like beech and whales. That there's probably
never been a photo taken that's less flattering, and it
just immediately went out on social quick call.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
Here we got forty five seconds. Keisha and Arizona way in.
Speaker 6 (36:01):
Yes, Okay. I had a grandson that served in the
Militarian in Afghanistan and he was called by some of
his buddies to do food distribution in Gaza, and so
he went because he wanted to help, but he said
(36:22):
that it's harmas it's getting most of the food, it
is not getting to the right people.
Speaker 3 (36:30):
That's thank you for that first hand account. That's what
I'm trying to say here. Everybody Hamas is creating the
malnutrition and the starvation, blaming Israel for it, and then
the New York Times is inflaming everybody blaming Israel for
it even more
Oh, welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton show. Appreciate
(00:04):
all of you hanging out with us. Good news on
the economy this morning. If you're just joining us. Three
percent growth, it exceeded the expectations of the so called experts.
We are nearing yet again another record high in the
stock market. Second quarter wage growth also, based on the
(00:26):
evidence and data that I have seen, has been outgrowing
cost of goods. That is the number one if I
had to point to one economic sort of bell weather,
it would be is your average wage increasing more than
the cost of goods. That is a sign that you
end up with more money in your pocket than you
(00:47):
used to. Under Biden for almost his entire time in office,
that was not true.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Under Trump.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
In this most recent quarter of three percent growth, that
is becoming true. I think it is likely to continue.
And that is when COVID hit to take you back
into February of twenty twenty. By basically every economic measure,
the country had never been stronger than it was in
February of twenty twenty when all of that happened. So
(01:16):
that is good news that came out. We will await
further news. I believe the Fed is the FED is
announcing next hour. I think I'm right on this team.
Make sure that I am correct on this. What they
are going to do with interst rates. Expectations are that
they will not be changing anything with interest rates, but
there is an expectation that there will be two interst
(01:38):
rate cuts now priced in before the end of the year.
So that would mean your mortgages, your car interest to loans,
your credit card debt, all theoretically would be getting somewhat
cheaper from the interst rate perspective. So that is the
big news I would say of the day of an
economic perspective. That's where we started off the show. Encourage
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so about an hour from now we will hear from
Jerome Powell FED Reserve chairman to FED Board chairman to
(02:41):
see what he is going to do and what the
FED has voted to do. Again, expectation nothing going to change.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
Two other stories are going to dive into some in
this hour. One reports, and I'm going to read up
on this because I haven't had time to fully read
it from Fox News that cash Patel has found document
and it's relating to Russia collusion that they were trying
to destroy, they were trying to burn, they were trying
to get rid of, thousands of them. Will dive into that.
(03:08):
I want to get bucks take maybe at the bottom
of the hour, off the top.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
I think this is really.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
Significant news, and so far it has not gotten as
much attention. But we all know midterms are coming up
next year a little bit over a year from now,
it's going to be determined who controls the House and
who controls the Senate. Republicans in pretty good shape in
the Senate. The House is swinging back and forth on
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a pinprick, a tiny Republican majority or a tiny Democrat majority,
and every state out there to a large extent, has
jerrymandered at this point their state. If it's a strong
red state, there is a strong bias in favor of
the Republican party when it comes to districts. If there
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is a strong blue state, there is a strong Democrat
party by when it comes to districts. That is, most
states are not directly proportional. So if you have a state,
let's say, where sixty percent of the vote goes red
or blue, it's likely the case that more than sixty
percent of the congressional seats are going one way or
(04:15):
the other. Okay, Texas is in line. They don't have
a legislature that is in session. Every year the legislature
is in session, they are called to design new districts,
and they just in the state of Texas have released
a proposed map that would increase the number of Republican
districts by five. This could be hugely transformative, given that
(04:40):
five seats may well decide who ends up controlling the
House or not. So this new plan would take Republicans
from twenty five seats expected to thirty, and Democrats in
Texas from thirteen to eight.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
It is a big store.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
It is one that I think is going to become
increasingly more important because California under Gavin Newsom is saying, well,
we're going to redo all of our districts if Texas acts.
Even though that might be challenging legally, Trump wants to
control the House. Is important that he do so this
is going to be I think the number one battle
next year.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
And you'll see that this is just pure power politics
and that's a good thing, meaning that this is what
we should do in every state where we can do it,
and Democrats will cry about it. Meanwhile, they do it
in every state where they can do it. This is
what goes on now is it's like country's drawing lines
on a map. A lot of the time it's arbitrary,
(05:42):
and he who is mighty enough to do it does it.
And that's what you get with the redistricting. If you
like what's going on, you call it maybe redistricting. If
you don't, if it's the other party, then you call
it jerry mandering. And you're supposed to be very upset
about the jerry mendering that's going on. But Republicans need
to pay attention to this. There are states where even
(06:05):
state level. Obviously, congressional redistricting fits right into the federal
issues into Congress. But what we've seen in Wisconsin with
the state Supreme Court there is troubling for Republicans. We're
going to be losing likely control there. There's a whole
bunch of fights that are playing out now in different states.
(06:28):
And another thing that I wanted to bring up play
is this blue slip process, which I think Trump just
tweeted about it earlier today, and he's saying that Republicans
need to just stop playing this game where if you
have a Democrat senator, even one, not even necessarily two
in Georgia there's two of them. But if you have
a Democrat senator in a purple state, Trump's judges aren't
(06:51):
getting through and trump US attorneys aren't getting through. And
now I know you could say, well, this is the
way it goes.
Speaker 4 (06:59):
This has been the rule.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
It is a self imposed rule, and Democrats are abusing
the spirit of the rule such that you can't get
anybody through unless they're essentially a Democrat, unless it's clear
that they're going to let So what's the point of
the president being able to appoint US attorneys and judges,
federal judges in these states. If they're just going to
(07:20):
only allow Democrat appointees effectively to get through, it's absurd.
It's absurd. And by the way, they are the ones
this is very important for every to know. Usually the
way it works with a US attorney is you get
the acting US Attorney and then if they don't put
through somebody else, that acting US attorney is often by
(07:42):
a judge made the permanent US attorney. This is the
way the system works. It's not happening in New York.
It's not happening in California, it's not happening.
Speaker 4 (07:51):
In New Jersey.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
All of a sudden, judges are getting really picky about
these Trump appointees.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
Clay Well, and if you want to point to something
that is not We've moved a rapid speed, and Trump
has done a ton in the first six months. If
you want to point to an area where the speed
has not reflected, maybe what you would hope for, it's judges.
And to your point, that's because of Democrat roadblocks. I
(08:18):
think there are a team looked this up in New
York City, if you would please, I think there are
somewhere around one hundred and thirty pending judiciary related appointments
from Trump that are just logjammed. You cannot get them
through right now because Democrats have thrown themselves athwart the
(08:40):
procedural posture here to keep it from happening. And I'm
talking about federal district court judges. I'm talking about circuit
court judge appointments. And mill Bove was just appealed, was
just approved yesterday by a vote one vote. They are
really doing everything they can to keep this happening. And
to your point, US attorneys as well, and I think
(09:04):
they're doing it because they've got their fingers crossed. They
have big announcement. We need to get Michael Wattley on
in North Carolina. That's going to be an absolute Donnie
Brook of a battle in North Carolina between he and
Roy Cooper over that Tom Tilly's seat to see who
retains it. North Carolina, major battleground, purplish state. And I
(09:26):
think Democrats are hope hopeful. I don't think it's gonna happen,
but I think they're hopeful that they may be able
to make a run in the Senate as well, and
then just basically keep Trump from doing anything for two years.
Speaker 4 (09:39):
But it's just for.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
People who are going to say, and I know I'm
going to get some of this and probably get some calls,
but buck the blue slip process. This is what the
Senate has had, and they'll do it to us. Yeah,
but they're already doing unprecedented things by jamming up the
acting you know, if you're not going to here's what's
going on. If the acting US Attorney for examp sample
(10:01):
cannot be elevated to that role because Democrats refuse to
vote on and put forward a qualified permanent US attorney
that would get you know, that would get voted through
in the Senate, they're the ones that are causing this,
this logjam and this madness to happen. This way, the
plan B is the acting US Attorney stays in the role.
(10:24):
That's what's supposed to happen. They're not letting that happen.
So they're the ones who have escalated, is my point.
It's very unusual, even the New York Times that to
admit it's very unusual for this to be what goes on.
And of course the hashtag resistance judiciary and now US
attorneys as well, this is what they are doing. So
(10:44):
I'm with Trump on this one. I think you got
to you gotta fight fire with fire because Clay time
is flying and the midterms are gonna be here. We're
gonna be talking mid terms in six months.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
And Senator Mike Lee, it's one hundred and thirty five,
by the way, that are currently law jammed in the
judiciary universe that Trump is trying to get through. And
he laid out some of the reasons that this is
an issue, and I think we have him scheduled to
come on soon because I think he could take us
through the procedural mechanisms that are causing this to be
an issue. Some people are out there arguing now, and
(11:18):
again this gets into sort of the arcane nature of
the Senate and what is and is not permissible. Trump
needs to start to contemplate. I think recess appointments, which
have been used aggressively by prior presidents, and for whatever reason,
President Trump has not been particularly aggressive when it comes
(11:40):
to recess appointments. And again that gets into the weeds
of how the Senate moves.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
And I'm sure there is a.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Logic behind that, but when you've got one hundred and
thirty five people, according to Senator Mike Lee of Utah
that are right now backed up.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
This is something that is that needs to be rectified.
Speaker 4 (12:01):
Clay.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
Also, I've got here there's a response from Senator Chuck Grassley.
He is quote offended and disappointed by the tirade that
Trump unleashed on a social media over the blue slip process.
So you know this is already getting more attention Chuck,
I mean Chuck, Sorry, Trump wrote this about Grassley. Chuck Grassley,
(12:25):
who I got re elected to the US Senate when
he was down by a lot in the great state
of Iowa, could solve the blue slip problem we are
having with respect to appointment of highly qualified judges and
US attorneys with a mere flick of the pen.
Speaker 4 (12:39):
Democrats like Schumer, etc.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
Sleeves bags all have ironclad stoppage of great Republican candidates.
Speaker 4 (12:46):
That's what's going on.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
Look, I think this is going to be a big deal.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
I was just texting right now with Senator Mike Lee
told him that we need to get him on to
explain exactly the protocol behind this and why it is
white skin held up like it is right now. So
we will follow up on this. But I wanted to
give you the latest on the redistricting, which is a
big deal, and also on the Senate hold up, and
then we'll dive into some of these reports from Fox
News Now about cash Ptel and the potential documents that
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On the Sunday Hang with Clay and Buck podcast.
Speaker 4 (14:57):
Welcome back to Clay Envok.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
We'll get some of your talkback, your calls, your thoughts,
all of that good stuff and let's do it. Actually,
CC Don from California, who listens on the Patriot k
eib I'm.
Speaker 5 (15:09):
So glad you're bringing up this Senate issue. Hey, I've
been I'm fifty six years old. I'm just speaking around myself.
People are so sick of the Congress and Senate and
their little political games and all this stuff. It's America first,
(15:30):
take care of the American people.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
Look, I just think there is a significant impact when
you win the House, the Senate, and the White House.
You had one of the most important things you can
do is fill all the nominees on the judiciary with
people who reflect your political worldview. And I thought Trump
one point oh, Buck, I don't know if you would
(15:54):
sign off on this. Maybe the most single successful thing
of Trump one point oh was the judiciary. If you
go back and look at all of the important rulings
that helped to keep Biden, for instance, from being able
to mandate the COVID shot. Remember when he was trying
to tell you basically, if you have a job, you're
allowed you're forced to get this shot. Student loans, presidential powers,
(16:19):
all of it is a function of Trump getting three
nominees through on the United States Supreme Court, to say
nothing of all the district court judges. You know, one
of my favorite judges out there was the one who
did away with the mask requirement. Remember when we celebrated,
you still had to wear those stupid masks on airlines
until the one judge down in Florida said.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
Judge Mizelle, my hero. Judge Mizelle, my hero forever and
for all time, the greatest, maybe the greatest federal judge
of all judges of all time.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
And she actually gave the Biden team an opportunity to
avoid by driving their base in saying, by actually removing it,
they could just say, wow, this is a judge we disagree.
I think they initially appealed and then they abandoned the appeal.
But that's a function. She was a Trump appointee, and
all of these different decisions that are going to be
(17:13):
made from the judiciary are going to exist long after
any of us right now are talking about the Trump
presidency for the next twenty thirty years. Trump would have
had to put out an executive order on day one
about masks. If she hadn't done that, Biden would not
have Biden would not have allowed us to take masks
off on planes all four years, you would be you
(17:35):
would have been wearing masks like we're all a bunch
of idiots for all four years.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
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Speaker 1 (18:50):
Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Okay, there
is a story that is out there right now that
I want to dive into and see whether or not
we buy this, because again I would say, one of
the challenges that is out there in the Russia collusion
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Epstein world of powerful people behaving badly is there has
consistently been overpromise and under delivery. And so this story
is out. This is from Brooks Singman at Fox News
Exclusive Cashptel found thousands of sensitive documents related to the
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origins of the Trump Russia probe buried in multiple quote
burn bags in a secret room inside the bureau, sources
familiar told me. And this is up on foxnews dot
com right now, and so a couple more details and
then I want to get your take on whether you
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buy this.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
And again my.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
Concern here is these stories come out, they immediately go viral.
They set the expectation of my Lucy Charlie Brown scenario.
Oh we've got him now. And by the way, this
has gone multiple directions. Democrats consistently told their base Trump's
done now, he's going to prison, and you know, he's
in the White House and he's more powerful than he's
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ever been before. One of the documents found was a
class classified annex to former Special Counsel John Durham's final report,
which includes the underlying intelligence he reviewed, and all of
this is out there. Sources exclusively briefed say that this
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information is is.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
Going to quote.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
The release will lend more credibility to the assertion there
was a coordinated plan inside the US government to help
the Clinton campaign stir up controversy connecting Trump to Russia.
According to a source granted anonymity to discuss sensitive intelligence matters, Okay,
what do you think here, Buck does is there basically
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anything that's going to change your opinion about where this
is headed? And what do you think about the latest news?
Speaker 3 (21:18):
Look, this is one of these I hope that my
sense on this is not what happens, but I'm pretty
sure it will.
Speaker 4 (21:28):
I don't think you're.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
Going to see charges or certainly not convictions, and probably
not charges related to anything Russia collusion, because they're just there.
Too much time has passed and the statutory framework is
not in place to bring those charge. If it was,
wouldn't you be hearing about what the likely charges would be.
(21:51):
And people keep writing into me. They'll say like treason,
and I appreciate the sentiment because it is a betrayal
of the country what happened, But treason has a specific
FED statutory definition giving aid and comfort to the enemy,
for example, and making that statement about Comy engaged in
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collusion behind the scenes to pretend that he believed analysis
that he didn't really believe and then forded it. You know,
you can try to make this stuff stick. Look, maybe
I'm maybe I'm wrong. I mean, I tend not to
be wrong on this stuff, but maybe I'm wrong. The
cash betel thing that we're just seeing now, the story
that there's all this stuff found in burn bags sensitive information?
What does that mean that can I used to live
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my life throwing things into burn bags all day at
the CIA, Right, that's how you deal with hard copy
that's classified. You throw it in a burn bag. That's
the proper way to dispose of it. I don't know
what's in these pages, you know, this is something, you know.
One way you can always tell is does the stuff
that does the stuff actually come out the explosive stuff
or not. Remember when they went into mar A Lago
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and they were Trump was like that he had nuclear
secrets that he was keeping in the shower. They took
photos of the like on the ground as if it
were like scandalous, and then they leaked them, which seems
kind of significant, but a desire to try to make
it seem like he had engaged an incredibly dangerous behavior.
Speaker 4 (23:12):
And yet you.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
Never really found out anything about what was in those
documents because I think it wasn't anything that anyone would say,
oh my gosh, how could Trump have had these locked
in some part of mar A Lago somewhere after being president?
So that's that's one way to assess these things. Is
it possible that there's something in this burnbag pile? Sure,
but you know, let's let's go through this logically. Everybody,
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you're at the FBI, you're engaged in a really underhanded
and disgusting and disgraceful conspiracy against Donald Trump, which was,
which is true, and which is what happened. You're gonna
just leave that stuff in burn bags and not make
sure it makes its way to the incinerator. Now maybe maybe,
but that's a level of sloppiness that you're you're assuming
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the ed me so to speak, has engaged in here
that I don't know. I don't know if they're that dumb.
It is possible, It is possible, but I just think,
don't get your hopes up.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
All I'm gonna say is, if I had in my
possession a document that I wanted that I was so
worried about burning because I was concerned about what the
impact might be, I'm going to start the process of
burning it and not compete complete it. To your point,
it is a level of incompetence that I find staggering
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to believe could occur. And again, I think a lot
of you are out there and you're just of the
opinion as it pertains to Russia collusion or Epstein or
anything else in that universe. Hey go ahead and put
some people in handcuffs and let's see some arrest, Let's
see some charges brought and on the Epstein thing on
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this Julane Maxwell Engelbuck. It's now pivoted to hey, maybe
we should pardon her. So the only person who is
actually in prison for anything related to Epstein, that the
whole Epstein universe. It just spirals out of control and
one conspiracy builds on top of another. I will confess
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to everyone. I never thought the Epstein angle would go
from where we were about I don't know a few
weeks ago, to hey, the only person who is in
prison for committing crimes relating to Epstein, it's Julane Maxwell.
Maybe she should be pardoned and let out of prison
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so that nobody ever has any responsibility here, and you
were out. I think I did mention this, and I
think this is a failure of media in general. And
I think a lot of people out there don't know it.
You know it because I think we've talked about it
off air, but I don't know that we've talked about
it on air. People say, what about all the Epstein victims?
I mean, do they not demand justice? All these things?
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Around five hundred million dollars was paid out to the
women who said I was abused by Epstein by his estate,
and it's like, nobody talks about those payouts. But around
one hundred and twenty some odd women came forward and said, hey,
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I was a victim of Epstein. Here is my story.
And roughly five hundred million dollars from the Epstein estate
and a couple of different big investment banks that were
associated with him paid out damages to those women. So
people say, well, what about all these women, They're not
getting their stories. Still, around one hundred and thirty ish
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of them came forward and said, hey, I am a victim.
Here is my story. And the estate paid out over
nearly five hundred million dollars in damages. So many of
these women got paid millions of dollars. Civilly Julane Maxwell
went to prison. Epstein probably would have, but there's only
one person in prison. I'm a little bit surprised that
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the topic now is, oh, maybe Trump should pardon Maxwell,
and now she's negotiating to talk in front of Congress.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
But all those things. Can I just say this strange?
Speaker 3 (27:13):
Bringing it back to this story about about FBI Director
Patel finding these thousands of pages of sensitive documents, Well,
if it's thousands of pages, I don't think anybody knows
what's in the documents? Really sensitive documents just means they're
more classified. And if you work inside of a classified facility,
let me tell you a lot of people classify what
they had for lunch yesterday. They shouldn't, but they do,
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just because it becomes habit if you're a classification originator.
So everything the FBI is working on is going to
be mark secret or more confidential, or whatever it may be.
So I'm sure there's a lot of classified documents in burnbags.
Does any of it have any again, I don't know.
I can't see, but I don't want. This is clearly
a story that is going to get people thinking, oh wait,
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maybe now we've got it.
Speaker 4 (28:01):
We got it.
Speaker 3 (28:01):
We got to pump the brakes. All of them said,
is pump the brakes. We don't know if we have
anything with this yet. I believe that there's a lot
of sensitive stuff. That's a lot of i should say
classified stuff that has been found in burn bags that
may relate to Russia collusion. Is that going to tell
us anything we don't already even know. We'll see thousands
of pages would take some time to read through, right,
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thousands of pages is not something you can scan and
just go, oh, yeah, I know what's going on here.
So we'll we'll have to give a little bit of
time to this one. But again, on the Russia collusion thing,
the I think the transparency aspect of it is important,
and I think that also harassing the people involved at
some level with the process, because this is what they
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do to us all the time. If you want to
raise the temperature, if you want to raise the cost
of what they did, at least make them go through
the process of explaining why it's not criminal, you know,
put them in front of put them in front of
members of Congress, put them in front of these Do you.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
Think it shame behavior in the agencies?
Speaker 4 (29:03):
Can you do?
Speaker 1 (29:04):
You? Do you think that this story because I think
I think the odds of there being substantial punishments are low.
I do retrospectively, but I do think prospectively, if people
start thinking, hey, we've got to be careful about how
we analyze politics inside of these agencies, maybe there is
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more of a less of an aggressive political bin. Do
you buy that it's changing the culture? I guess inside
of these agencies.
Speaker 3 (29:33):
This is a wimpy answer, but I think it's the
correct answer, which is just too soon, too soon to tell.
I think the efforts are in earnest underway right now
to do that. But these are after These are vast organizations.
Think of it like if you're trying to root out
all the Communists in a state school with tens of
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thousands of students and professors, and you know it's it's
these are big entities. These are noth but you know
the I mean the FBI number, for example, I think
is how many FBI agents. I know DJ has one
hundred thousand employees or one hundreds.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
When we visited the CIA, I was just stunned by
the sheer in Normandy.
Speaker 4 (30:13):
It is. It is massive.
Speaker 3 (30:14):
That's told Clay it felt like going to work at
Langley every day. You know, when you see it in
the spy movies and stuff, it's all like hey, and
now you're in the director's office and there's like five
people making all the decisions. Showing up to Langley is
like showing up to Giant Stadium. There's parking lots, there's
like parking lots you know, X, Y and Z that
are like a mile walk from the building. Because there's
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so many freaking people who work there, so changing the
culture of these places is really complicated, and.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
We'll see what ends up happening. By the way, we'll
take some of your calls, some of your talkbacks. I
think we're going to have Senator Mike Lee in the
third hour to talk to us about the procedural issues
in the Senate, and Tommy Laerin from OutKick Get Your Popcorn.
She has been firing on all fronts. We are confirmed
with Senator Mike Lee, Utah and to join us top
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of the third hour, so we'll get some answers from
him about what exactly is going on with the log
jam in.
Speaker 3 (31:09):
Tommy's going to speak to us about the discrimination that
good looking blonde women are facing right now.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
And it's just very sad that what beauty privilege doesn't
exist anymore. What's it like to be called a Nazi
because you have blonde hair and blue eyes. Tommy is
going to speak out on this, and I can't wait
to see. Look all the discussion out there about planning
and all the time that you spend that I spend
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that anybody out there who's got kids or grandkids spends
trying to make sure that the next generation does better
than you have. That they have opportunities you didn't have,
that they are able to achieve things that you might
not have. You want to give them everything that you
can to allow them to succeed. That's honestly a huge
part of being a parent and a grandparent is trying
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to ensure that your kids and grandkids are able, hopeful
to have successes that you yourself were not able to have.
You thought about how passing is going to challenge the
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conversation to get into because no one likes to think
about wills or trusts or what's going to happen after
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But how much time do you spend as a.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
Mom, as a dad, as a grandma, as a grandpa
trying to mediate family disputes? How often do the cousins
or the siblings or your relatives, How often do they
end up not getting along? Do you worry about where
people are going to sit around Thanksgiving? Do you worry
that there might not be a peacemaker when you're gone?
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Welcome back into Clay and Buck coming up here. We're
going to be taking some big guests on in the
next hour. Senator Mike Lee of Utah will be with us,
and then Tommy Laren Fox Newses and outkicks on. Tommy Laren,
who is going to speak on behalf of the maligned
attractive blonde Ladies of America.
Speaker 4 (34:32):
Let's just be.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
Honest, add attractive blond women are finally going to get
a break.
Speaker 4 (34:38):
A moment in the time.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
I know, I know.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
Just they're usually shrinking violets. You never see them, never
get any attention. I just it's good to have good
looking people have a spokesperson.
Speaker 3 (34:48):
Yeah, I think it's it's it's high time. It's high
time Clay find.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
That photo that we took when we first started the show.
Maybe they can find yes, Yes, we should have.
Speaker 3 (35:00):
Everybody here saw it remembers it was uh, it was uh,
you know, not not our finest moment.
Speaker 4 (35:07):
I looked like an elephant seal.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
Tommy is in between us and whoever took the photo
and allowed it to be distributed humbly should be murdered
on the spot for I believe it was.
Speaker 3 (35:18):
It was your your, your good buddy who's now doing
something else. But uh, yes, I think it was mister
Dubb who took.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
Oh that's right, Dub, who is uh out in San Antonio.
He might be listening right now, Dub.
Speaker 3 (35:28):
I love you, Dub, but your photographer, hopefully he's not
working as a photographer.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
I will defend Dubb this week. Yeah, you better not me.
You better not be working as a photographer. Fat guys.
Uh because he did not help us, I will say
in Dubb's defense, I bet he didn't even look at
us in the photo.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
Tommy is in the center.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
I bet he didn't like he didn't realize that you
and I looked like beech and whales. That there's probably
never been a photo taken that's less flattering, and it
just immediately went out on social quick call.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
Here we got forty five seconds. Keisha and Arizona way in.
Speaker 6 (36:01):
Yes, Okay. I had a grandson that served in the
Militarian in Afghanistan and he was called by some of
his buddies to do food distribution in Gaza, and so
he went because he wanted to help, but he said
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that it's harmas it's getting most of the food, it
is not getting to the right people.
Speaker 3 (36:30):
That's thank you for that first hand account. That's what
I'm trying to say here. Everybody Hamas is creating the
malnutrition and the starvation, blaming Israel for it, and then
the New York Times is inflaming everybody blaming Israel for
it even more
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