June 9, 2025 • 36 mins
Hour 3 of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show delivers a powerful and wide-ranging discussion centered on national security, immigration enforcement, economic growth, and the future of college athletics, featuring exclusive interviews with Senator Marsha Blackburn of Tennessee and Senator Tommy Tuberville of Alabama. Senator Blackburn joins Clay Travis in-studio to address the escalating crisis of illegal immigration and the obstruction of ICE operations in cities like Los Angeles and Nashville. She highlights the bipartisan support for removing criminal illegal aliens and introduces her legislative efforts, including the REMOVE Act and a bill to prevent the doxxing of law enforcement officers. Blackburn criticizes local officials, including Nashville Mayor Freddie O’Connell, for undermining federal immigration enforcement and endangering public safety. She also discusses the Department of Justice’s investigation into these actions and emphasizes the importance of upholding the rule of law. The conversation shifts to the economy as Blackburn outlines the goals of the “Big Beautiful Bill”, a major legislative package aimed at making the Trump-era tax cuts permanent. She details provisions such as eliminating taxes on Social Security benefits, supporting small businesses through R&D incentives, and promoting long-term economic growth. Blackburn underscores President Donald Trump’s leadership in driving pro-growth policies and the importance of achieving a 3% GDP growth rate to reduce the national deficit. Senator Tommy Tuberville joins the show to discuss his upcoming run for governor of Alabama and the challenges facing college athletics. Tuberville, a former football coach, critiques the current state of NIL (Name, Image, and Likeness) deals and the financial pressures on college sports programs. He voices strong support for protecting women’s sports from biological males competing unfairly, referencing recent controversial wins by transgender athletes in blue states. Tuberville also backs the “Big Beautiful Bill,” stressing the need for tax relief, economic expansion, and support for working-class Americans. Throughout the hour, Clay Travis and his guests emphasize President Trump’s ongoing influence in shaping national policy, restoring common sense in Washington, and championing the interests of everyday Americans. The episode concludes with a preview of upcoming interviews, including a sit-down with President Trump, and a reminder to subscribe to the podcast for more exclusive content from Washington, D.C.
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Episode Transcript
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome back in play Travis buck Sexton show. We are
up in Washington, d C. For the next couple of weeks.
Buck is going to join me tomorrow. He's in the
process of trying to get up here. He's not gone smoothly.
I'm sitting in studio right now with Senator Marsha Blackburn
from Tennessee, and I'm up here because my son is
going to be doing an internship and this is an
(00:23):
intern season for so many different offices out there. Do
you remember the first time you came to d C?
I know you went up here for a while. What
do you remember about that?
Speaker 2 (00:32):
What? Hell? You know? I was in high school and
it was a four h club leadership summit and it
was absolutely so exciting to me and to come up
and to have lunch with my senator and get that
photo and you know what fun.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
What do you think young Marsha Blackburn on that four
h trip would have thought if you had told her, hey,
one day you're going to be a congresswoman and a
senator yourself. Do you think you would have believed it?
Were you interested in politics at that age?
Speaker 2 (01:07):
I was very involved. Yes, I thought that good citizenship
was important. And we Even as I was cleaning out
some things one day, I found a flyer I had
done and distributed to all my neighbors as part of
a citizenship project reminding them to go vote and the
importance of going to vote. But never would I have
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thought I would have been an elective office. But you know,
that's just one of those things I tell young people
all the time. Be ready to walk through open doors
and realize you don't chart your path, God charts your path,
and to be mindful and to accept those open doors.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
What did you think last night when you saw the
footage from Los Angeles out.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
Of control, these men and women that are there trying
to get these criminal illegal aliens. Why in the world
would you have a mayor and a governor that are
siding and trying to protect criminal illegal aliens and to
obstruct ice and keep them from doing their job. And
(02:18):
you know, I Clay, you talk to so many people
when you're on the air every day. I'm not hearing
from people that want to keep criminal illegal aliens. Look
at what is happening in Nashville. And this is not
a partisan issue. This is a ninety percent issue. And
people will say if they are criminals. They need to
(02:42):
be removed. Let's remove these individuals. And people realize that
coming across that border illegally is a crime, and of
course we ice is out there doing their job. We
are a nation that is built on the rule of law,
(03:03):
and it is imperative that these officials implement and bide
by the law. If they don't like the law, they
can try to change the law, but it is there
are set procedures for entering the country legally. There are
statutes that determine what is and is not a crime,
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and whether it's a felony or a misdemeanor. And to
have people that want to pick and choose and say
we're going to enforce this, but we're not going to
enforce that, and a sanctuary for this but not for that.
This is what really spurs a lot of the chaos
(03:47):
that you're seeing take place in places like LA.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
It's not just La either, because I hear from some
people and I know we've got a lot of people
listening in California, but they say, oh, that's just a
blue city there. What do I care. We live in
a red state. You and me, one of my senators,
I'm glad that you are, and maybe more here in
a little bit. But when you see what's happening in Nashville,
because I think a lot of people out there say, okay,
(04:11):
State Tennessee very read. There's a mayor, Freddie O'Connell in
a city of Nashville who has basically said, hey, we're
going to try to stop ICE from doing their work.
This has become a big talking point many cities all
over the place. First, you have got a bill called
the Remove Act that would take from ninety days down
to fifteen days to help expedite the removal of people
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who shouldn't be in this country. So that is something
you're doing directly to try to help the president. But
when you see a city like Nashville, when you see
someone making the choices that the mayor there is making,
that Karen bass is making in Los Angeles to directly
defy the president's authority, can you believe it?
Speaker 2 (04:51):
It is difficult to believe. And this is why removing
these criminal, illegal aliens is a ninety percent issue and
people want them to be taken out of the country.
And the other thing is the doxing. This is something
that happened in Nashville and you had the mayor and
(05:14):
his office that actually exposed the names of HSI investigators
and also of our ICE agents and their operations. Now
you cannot do that and exposing that, we found out
that it is not illegal to reveal the name of
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a law enforcement officer. It is illegal when they're undercover
and you reveal their information. So my preventing law enforcement
doxing that legislation. We've also filed to include law enforcements
who are implementing the law in that so that we
(06:02):
can protect our law enforcement officers at the local, state,
and federal level. It should be illegal to dox them,
whether they're undercover or out doing their regular job. And
what we see happening with this obstruction is people are saying,
why the Democrats choosing to die on this hill? Yeah,
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why are they absolutely making this their issue number one
when this is something that people overwhelmingly support. Get them
removed from the country. Protect law enforcement, don't dox them,
don't go put their pictures up, don't go put their
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home address, don't endanger their families. People want to show
respect for law enforcement.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
Department of Justice is investigating what Nashville has happened, right
you've asked for that, Yes, Pam Bondi's the attorney General.
What do you expect that investigation to be?
Speaker 3 (07:02):
Like?
Speaker 1 (07:03):
How should it be?
Speaker 2 (07:03):
You know, I'm sure they will have something to say
about this. I sent the letter over. I have requested
that a formalize an investigation, and I would expect that
at some point we will hear from that. You do
have the Homeland Security Committee in the House, which is
(07:24):
chaired by Representative Green out of Tennessee, and also the
Judiciary Committee in the House. They have started an investigation
and looking at what happened with obstructing these raids.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
Were you a studd I mean, you've lived in the
state of Tennessee and in the Nashville area, as have
I for a very long time. And look, sometimes mayors
are good, sometimes mayors are bad, particularly as it pertains
to any big city that you might have in a state.
I was stunned when I saw the mayor of Nashville,
Freddie O'Connell, engaging in this behavior and having a press
conference to brad about it. Were you as stunned as
(08:01):
I was?
Speaker 2 (08:03):
I was stunned. I couldn't believe that there would be
a defiance of removing criminals. You know, one of the
top issues when you talk to people in Middle Tennessee
and West Tennessee crime, they talk about the escalated occurrence
of criminal acts. Carjackings, particularly home.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
Robbery, had one of the high violent crime rates in
the whole nation.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
Right, and so it has stunned people that Nashville had
a mayor that would come out and would choose to
protect criminal, illegal aliens over law abiding citizens. When people
have been saying we've got to get the crime down,
They've been really unsettled by the number of home robberies
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that have taken place and the number of gangs that
have moved into the Nashville area. I have not talked
to a single person who wants to have more Trenda
or Agua or MS thirteen in their community. I mean
not one. They want them gone.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
They should be gone. We're talking to Senator Marsha Blackburn
of Tennessee, Okay, in particular. Now big beautiful bill is underway. Yes,
you are in the Senate majority fifty three Republicans. I'm
sure you like everybody else, saw Elon and Trump going
back and forth. Elon says there's not enough cutting of
(09:35):
spending that's going on, This is past the House. President
Trump says, Hey, we're going to create incredible growth rate.
We're going to put in place all these tax cuts
for years and years ago, because otherwise they expire. What
should we know about the big beautiful bill? What should
the timeframe be? There's a ton of deal with the
border as well, which would help to ideally keep some
(09:55):
other president like Biden from wide opening the border again
to allow people to we're in what's the latest? What
should we know? What's the time for us?
Speaker 2 (10:03):
Yes, and we are hopeful to have it to the
President by July fourth, so that we've got that true
independence today. And we know that this is a tax
cut bill. It is kind of tax cut and jobs
at two point zero, and we will make those tax
cuts permanent. We're also trying to make permanent RND bus
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bonus appreciation interest expensing because we've got a lot of
small businesses in Tennessee ninety three percent of our jobs
or small business jobs in the state, and that's important
to them. Also provisions for no tax on tips over
time and social Security, and that is my legislation to
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remove the tax from social Security for our seniors. So
we're in the process of negotiating those. We're finalizing some
of those provisions. We want to get permanents on these provisions.
That's how you get that extended growth that will run
out past ten years. So we'd like not to be
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back at the negotiating table. In businesses and individuals, tennesseeans
tell me all the time, just tell me what the
rules are, and I'll play by the rules. But we
don't like this changing everything, and especially when we have
so many small businesses, mom and pops, small business, manufacturing
businesses on our main streets. We need some permanents.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
We've had Senator Ron Johnson on the show. He says
more spending needs to be cut. We've had Ran Paul
On saying the same thing. Are you optimistic that the
Senate is going to be able to come to us, Yes, sir,
I am.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
The House did one and a half trillion in spending reductions.
The Senate won't say two trillion dollar reduction. And we've
got a pathway to do that. Now. The those cuts
are they have to come to us through omb from
the White House, and then that is going into what
(12:09):
is called a recision bill. So we can't put those
into the reconciliation the tax bill, they've got to travel separately.
Kind of it's the same time we got the first
package of those. It's nine billion dollars, which over a
ten billion a ten year period, you're talking about significant savings.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
Last question for you, I think the key to all
this is growth. There's a guy who lives in the
Nashville area, the kind of smart come on, he makes
this case, but I think it's one that is being
missed a little bit, and I want to give you
an opportunity. But if we get the growth of the
economy to three percent or more, which I think we will,
(12:51):
then we are going to actually start to cut the deficit.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
That's correct.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
It's really important because the CBO, and there's all these
numbers that are running around out there, all of it's
predicated the projections on what the growth rate of the
country is. If we get to three percent, then the
national debt starts getting paid down and the president's focused
on growth more than cuts. Ideally you get both, but growth,
(13:17):
to a large extent, according to people like Art Laugher,
is the most important thing that is accurate.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
And bear in mind CBO is always wrong on their projections.
They have been wrong every single time. They were wrong
on the twenty seventeen cuts, and so you do want
to reduce spending and you want to get that growth.
And President Trump had the Senate Finance Republicans at the
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White House last week to work on some of this
with him, the Vice President, Secretary Besson, and Kevin Hassett.
And one of the things we know is that if
you are growing, if you put these cuts in place,
and it's the largest tax cut, and you get permanence
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on R and D and expensing and depreciation, then you
are going to see that because you will have your
small businesses choose to grow, yes, and to hire and
to expand. That is how you get that growth. And
the multiplier effect on that is so significant.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
And not only that. COVID hit right as Trump's economy
was exploding right January of twenty twenty February of twenty
twenty probably the greatest economic season we've ever had, correct
and then COVID happened, and suddenly everything goes off the rails.
We get that rolling again by twenty twenty four, twenty
twenty eight, in the next election cycle, we should be
(14:51):
firing on all CILLI.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
That is accurate, and we are looking forward to having
this permanence. And then bear in mind too, in twenty
seventeen when we did the Tax Cut and Jobs Act,
the biggest benefactor of those changes were your small businesses.
(15:14):
You saw such an explosion of small business manufacturing, and
this was so good for Tennessee. We had a lot
of businesses that had been there for years that this
was their chance to grow. So they jumped to that level.
And now they are waiting to hire, they are waiting
to invest, they're waiting to punch send on those equipment
(15:39):
orders because they want to be able to depreciate that
in that first year or two and then move into upgrades.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
Senator Marshall Blackburn with us by the way, just walking
in behind you, one of your senate colleagues, Senator Tommy Tubberville.
You guys to be governor colleagues before long.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
Two. Tommy Tubberville is a great guy. We call him Coach.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
Yeah, he's going to be on with us here at
just a second. Senator Marshall Blackburn, thank you. Keep up
the good work, and we look forward to celebrating the
big beautiful bill is done.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
You got it.
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couple of weeks and we're having people in studio with
us to talk about everything under the sun. You just
heard from Nitor Marsha Blackbird at Tennessee, and now you
got a guy who's a senator and also soon to
be a governor, Tommy Tupperville. I know that you made
the announcement. It was the last week I was. I
was on a vacation with my kids running around a
(19:14):
Universal studios, So I know you were on with Buck.
But we'll dive into all that here in a moment.
But also I know you are a monster football fan.
They had a big decision about twenty and a half
million dollars to spend. I bet you still talk to
a lot of coaches. I do too. Did you ever
think that we'd end up in this situation where guys
(19:35):
are basically holding out every few months and saying, Hey,
unless I get ex coach, I'm not going to play
for you. I know the Senate's not easy, but do
a part of you feel a little bit sorry for
some of these coaches what they have to deal with
on a day to day basis.
Speaker 4 (19:48):
It's a killer. I mean, that's just going to run
a lot of people out. Obviously Nick didn't. He didn't
last long. He got out. And when you can't control
your destiny, and Nick and I and a lot of
my buddy I grew up with, we learn from from
good people. Jimmy Johnson, you bring in two three stars
nobody ever heard of, and you build a football team.
(20:09):
You can't do that anymore. It's not about building a team.
It's not about loyalty, and it's not about education, the
three things that it should be about. It's totally gotten
away from that. And now it's about money. And I'm
fine with them making money. I've always thought they should
make money. It's a full time job. But there's really
it's hard to make a plan for it. When you've
(20:31):
got six hundred athletes, half of them are women and
then the other half most of them are Olympic sports
and men's sports non revenue, you have two sports. You know,
basketball really doesn't make any money. Everybody said, well, men's
men's basketball at one or two schools might make money them.
They're lucky to break even. They spend a lot of money.
Of the only one that makes money is the big
(20:54):
stadium football teams. And of course now the TV contracts
have gotten huge. But yeah, twenty point five million to
spread around on each team. Now you don't have to
get involved in that, you know that, Clay, Yeah, you
can opt out and say, listen, we don't have the
money to do it. And that's what's going to happen
to seventy percent. They don't have the money to do that.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
Right.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
We're talking to Senator Tommy Tuberville. Next year he'll be
governor Tommy Tuberbole, which will be an interesting transition. Why
what what?
Speaker 2 (21:21):
What?
Speaker 1 (21:21):
What's the role that as Alabama governor was so attractive
to you that next year you'll I think, you know,
I'll go ahead and make a prediction be the next
governor for Alabama.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
What do you want to do well.
Speaker 4 (21:33):
I'm a builder, yeah, as I was a football coach,
and up here you're one of one hundred and you
can do a lot of good for your state and
the country. Uh, it's really watered down. It runs at
a slow pace. But I looked at staying and my
wife and I talked about it, and you know, I've
got grandkids now, and I look at a situation where
I can go home. I can take the experience that
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I've learned up here, all the all the connections. Now
you've got to have connections to get federal money and
go back to Alabama and we can get a coaching staff,
as i'd call it. You know, people run education, health care,
and military all that and do the same thing at
at a smaller level, just for the five million people
in the state. And we go from there and we
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hit the ground running. So you can see results as
a governor, you can see results here. Say they are
few and far between, and they're very, very slow. And
again I didn't I didn't mind doing it. When we
had Biden administration, it was defense. I'm a defensive guy,
but it was defense all the time. You couldn't get
anything done Now with President Trump, and he's doing a
(22:35):
great job. He's gotten common sense back up here. He's
working the halls of the Senate trying to get this big,
beautiful bill across, which it will eventually. But at the
end of the day, I just looked at it and say,
you know, to use my ability as the best I
can and the best for Alabama. Go back and be governor.
Alabama is an awesome state. It's a great place. There
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will be a Senate opening to replace you. It's going
to be a public and how do you see that
race playing out? There'll be four or five six people
run for it, and they should. They all call me
and I said, of course, you know. I'm telling you,
I'm not going to endorse anybody. You're on your own
until you win the primary. And I think that's the
(23:17):
right way to do it. Just it'll be a free
for all. Even Bruce Pearl, I've heard his name thrown
in there. I don't think at the end of the
day he will do it. I've texted some about him.
I love I love coach Pearl like you do. He's
the basketball coach for Auburn. For people out there that
might not know, and he's been really outspoken because he's
been so fired up about the response since October seventh.
As a guy who's Jewish, there's just a lot of
(23:39):
awfulness that's been happening.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (23:40):
Yeah, and he would be a great politician. But I
just I don't think it's time for him. You know,
I was retired, Yeah, you know, I wasn't still working.
I could have been, but I just chose to get
out and I worked for ESPN for a couple of
years and yeah, and I said, you know, I'm going
to do something for American people, the country that gave
me so much. And so that's the reason I did it.
And I think if he was retired, he'd be he'd
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be a great senator.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
What should we know about the so called big beautiful Bill.
I was just talking with Senator Blackburn. She says she
feels like there's a good pathway to get this done
by July fourth. I know that's the kind of back
of the mind target. Do you feel good about that?
Speaker 3 (24:17):
What do you hear?
Speaker 1 (24:18):
Obviously there's been a lot of fireworks all around it
as it's gotten closer. What do you see on the floor.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
Yeah, first of all, we have no choice. We've got
to get it done.
Speaker 4 (24:27):
It's got to be passed, and it's got to be
passed soon because if we don't, twenty two percent of
everybody's taxes will go up. And you can just you can,
you can say enough, you know, for the Republican Party
after we'd promised all this. Now the other part, other
than the tax cuts, there's a lot of good things
in the bill. Now, there's a lot of things that's like,
you know, putting lipstick on a pig. You know, as
(24:48):
a conservative like me, I'd rather not do it. But
it's like anything else, Clay, you're not gonna have. It's
not gonna be perfect, but we have got to get
growth in this country. A lot of my cohorts are
saying it's not enough. Well, at the end of the day,
we're counting on tariffs and we're counting on growth to
overcome a lot.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
Of the.
Speaker 4 (25:07):
Cuts that's not in the bill, and so it's it's
gonna be a fight. You know, Rand Paul, he doesn't
like the debt limited five five tree and none of
us do.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (25:17):
But that's not to say you're gonna get there. I said, Ran,
you know, President Trump just wants to a point where
we don't have to raise it every three months because
the Democrats are going to hold our feet to the
fire every time we want to do it. Let's just
do it all at one time. Everybody's got a reason
for doing it or not doing it. Some say there's
not enough cuts, but we've got to take care of
the people that work. Clay what President Trump and heights
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one in sixteen and in twenty four was the people
that go to work every day and put their nose
to the grindstone and barely make enough money to pay
for their family and their kids going to school. And
they look around, going, we've got criminals that don't go
with the law. We've got we've got illegals here that
are getting food stamps, welfare, free housing.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
What's going on? Who somebody's not standing at for us?
Speaker 4 (26:07):
What President Trump is and this bill stands up for
the American worker, and that's reading. We have to get
it done. We have to get it done now and
then we can do another. We've got another reconciliation coming,
so it's not like we're finished. Let's get this one
across the goal line. And there's some things that I
want to push a little bit harder, But at the
end of the day, I'm going to vote for it
because I know how important it is to our country.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
We had Riley Gaines on the show earlier today. You've
gone a lot of OutKick shows over the years with her,
with her yeah, and a lot of our You know,
I can't believe that out Kick site that I found
it is the only one that we'll say men shouldn't
be playing in women's sports in all of sports. You
have been working on this, but just as a preliminary
(26:50):
you coach for a long time, would you have ever
believed that Democrats would make it their party belief system
that men who pretend to be women should be able
to win women's championships. And for people out there who say,
oh it doesn't matter, look California, Washington, and Minnesota. Just
in the last week men have won women's state championships.
(27:13):
I mean, this is crazy town. Did you see the
softball pitcher?
Speaker 4 (27:17):
Of course I didn't, bigger, taller, They couldn't. They couldn't
get the swing around that course, or it passed them.
It just it's foolishness, yes, And you know it makes
no sense whatsoever. The Democrats don't believe in it, but
they push it because they don't have anything else to push,
and so they want to keep that group of LBGTQ
folks voting for them and named Frey, Well, if we
(27:38):
do this, and we're going to lose that voting base,
and that's only really the voting base they have, and
they really don't have all of them. It's just it
makes no sense to me.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
Would you ever believe that that was ever going to
be an issue? Hoolytically No. And the other thing is
not just participationist. It's dressing in the same dressing rooms. Yeah, Showers,
I mean, who believes that? Who believes that's right? I mean,
it just makes no sense.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (28:05):
And so again it goes back to their ideology. Uh,
you know these the Democratic Party is just it's splintered.
You've got the far left that's pushing all this, and
so you've got the people that are moderate Democrats are
looking going, well, if I don't go along with this,
I'm not gonna get campaign money and I'm gonna be
kicked to the curb and I'm gonna lose my seat.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
That's reason we need term limits, I'm telling you.
Speaker 4 (28:31):
If we don't, we got to do something where people
don't have to be held hostage by the leadership of
their parties. We have to have term limits where people
can think for themselves and vote for their constituents.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
And look, by the way you're making a choice. You
could have stayed in the Senate as long as you
wanted to be in the Senate, right, you could have
been in here for decades. But you have served, and
now you want to go back to Alabama and be governor.
And I'm betting after eight years as governor of Alabama,
you'll probably just say, hey, it's time to work on
my golf shots more.
Speaker 4 (28:58):
Yeah, I would, I would, I would hope, but yeah,
you know. And I've been one of the most outspoken.
And I'm not a politician. Heck, I come up here
and look around going, hey this, I stand for this,
and I'm gonna speak out for it. I'm the only
one that's had a bill on biological boys and men
and women's sports, and we voted on it three times.
I've had it on the floor three times, and I've
not caught one Democrat to vote for it. Actually lost
(29:19):
a Republican the first time we had that on the floor,
So that just no common sense up here when it
comes to a lot of things. Again, the Democrats are look,
they're searching for an ideology that will strike a note
with the American people where the can get re elected.
But this nonsense in California right now, the nonsense of
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the girls being beat up, literally beat up against men
in sports.
Speaker 3 (29:48):
It's a losing.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
Costs Alabama a lot of people with a lot of
different beliefs. Is this kind of stuff would not happen
in Red states, right even with blue cities. They're not
going to allow this kind of violence to take place.
Did you ever think that it would be necessary to
just have a legislation to not allow men and women's sports?
Speaker 4 (30:10):
And never dreamed it would even we even be talking
about it. But if you go back to red and blue,
you know how sports, how important they are in Red states?
Speaker 1 (30:20):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (30:21):
I'm talking about girls sports and little kids sports.
Speaker 4 (30:23):
And in high school and junior high and then even
you know, the higher education. It's so important. It's not
that important in Blue states. I mean a lot of
the Democrats up here that they would know difference between
football and basketball. I mean it's not that important in
their family life. And so alway isn't making a difference.
(30:44):
You know, it doesn't. So it's so important to in
the state of Alabama that you would have an uprising
deluxe if you had had that pitcher in softball pitching
against women, you would, I mean it would. And then
of course you know the swimming with Riley Gaines, and
I'm very disappointed in the gymnasts come out the other day.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
Yes, I'm on Biles. I couldn't believe it.
Speaker 3 (31:07):
I could not believe what she said.
Speaker 4 (31:10):
It makes no sense if if you can take the
top twenty men in the country that could have that
were competed against her, that would probably have beat her. Yeah,
uh true in anything. And so it's like some of
the older of tennis players and that of the years
have made tons of money playing women's sports, and all
(31:32):
of a sudden, oh yeah, I think this is right.
They should be able to participate. What I mean, you'd
have been and also ran if that had happened. So
what's happening now is we're going to lose little girls. Yeah,
we're gonna lose little girls because they're gonna look at
and parents are going to say, there's no reason for
you to do that. We're gonna have a lot of
cheerleaders is what we're gonna have because they like to
be athletic.
Speaker 3 (31:53):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (31:54):
And it's just it's just unfortunate that it's gonna happen.
But you look at some and some peace people. You know,
there are entire teams in high school across the country,
most on the West Coast, that are all transend transgenders.
I mean, it's over. Everybody said it's just a few
of them. No, it's not a few, and it's growing
(32:15):
every day.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
Look, I will say this, and I think I've said
it on the show, but if I haven't, Blue States,
the way that we are going, every track and field
champion will be a man pretending to be a woman.
I mean, that's where we're headed. It's crazy.
Speaker 4 (32:29):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
Congratulations to you a year in advance on being a governor.
You probably don't want to celebrate early. You don't want
to high step into the end zone. Got to run
through the end zone. Got to run through the end
zone with the ball still in your hand. But he
Senator Tobby Tubberville, soon to be the next governor of Alabama.
We got to play. Well, I'm too bad at golf.
I don't want to subject you to that, but we'll
be crossing paths. Uh maybe a July fourth and beyond
(32:52):
down on the thirty A and the and the Gulf
Shores area. That's the best beaches in America. A lot
of people don't know Alabama's got some of the best
beaches America. Yeah, Alabama. At Orange Beach, they just they're
starting a three hundred million dollar project Margaritaville. Oh yeah,
it's and you know it's really growing. I mean it's beautiful.
If you haven't been, they don't want me to say
(33:12):
it because of a Gulf Shores, Orange Beach all the
way down through there, but you've had a few drinks
before at the Floria Bama right there on the it's
one of the most iconic.
Speaker 4 (33:21):
Bars throughout the first mullet when you know the mullet
toss Pink Pony, Ken Stabler, commisity coach, I need you,
and it's like throwing out the first pitch. People don't
a mullet is a fish, folks, Yeah, but they they
you throw a fish and you whoever has the father's
throw in the competition wins. So they wanted me to
come down and throughout the first mullet that I thought
that was aweso.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
That is that is a really mullet toss, a big
thing that happens down to Floria, Bama. And if you're
wondering what the world floor Bama, that's where Florida and
Alabama meet. Literally the bar is on the state line Florida, Alabama,
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Welcome back in play Travis buck Sexton show. We are
up in Washington, d C. For the next couple of weeks.
Buck is going to join me tomorrow. He's in the
process of trying to get up here. He's not gone smoothly.
I'm sitting in studio right now with Senator Marsha Blackburn
from Tennessee, and I'm up here because my son is
going to be doing an internship and this is an
(00:23):
intern season for so many different offices out there. Do
you remember the first time you came to d C?
I know you went up here for a while. What
do you remember about that?
Speaker 2 (00:32):
What? Hell? You know? I was in high school and
it was a four h club leadership summit and it
was absolutely so exciting to me and to come up
and to have lunch with my senator and get that
photo and you know what fun.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
What do you think young Marsha Blackburn on that four
h trip would have thought if you had told her, hey,
one day you're going to be a congresswoman and a
senator yourself. Do you think you would have believed it?
Were you interested in politics at that age?
Speaker 2 (01:07):
I was very involved. Yes, I thought that good citizenship
was important. And we Even as I was cleaning out
some things one day, I found a flyer I had
done and distributed to all my neighbors as part of
a citizenship project reminding them to go vote and the
importance of going to vote. But never would I have
(01:31):
thought I would have been an elective office. But you know,
that's just one of those things I tell young people
all the time. Be ready to walk through open doors
and realize you don't chart your path, God charts your path,
and to be mindful and to accept those open doors.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
What did you think last night when you saw the
footage from Los Angeles out.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
Of control, these men and women that are there trying
to get these criminal illegal aliens. Why in the world
would you have a mayor and a governor that are
siding and trying to protect criminal illegal aliens and to
obstruct ice and keep them from doing their job. And
(02:18):
you know, I Clay, you talk to so many people
when you're on the air every day. I'm not hearing
from people that want to keep criminal illegal aliens. Look
at what is happening in Nashville. And this is not
a partisan issue. This is a ninety percent issue. And
people will say if they are criminals. They need to
(02:42):
be removed. Let's remove these individuals. And people realize that
coming across that border illegally is a crime, and of
course we ice is out there doing their job. We
are a nation that is built on the rule of law,
(03:03):
and it is imperative that these officials implement and bide
by the law. If they don't like the law, they
can try to change the law, but it is there
are set procedures for entering the country legally. There are
statutes that determine what is and is not a crime,
(03:27):
and whether it's a felony or a misdemeanor. And to
have people that want to pick and choose and say
we're going to enforce this, but we're not going to
enforce that, and a sanctuary for this but not for that.
This is what really spurs a lot of the chaos
(03:47):
that you're seeing take place in places like LA.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
It's not just La either, because I hear from some
people and I know we've got a lot of people
listening in California, but they say, oh, that's just a
blue city there. What do I care. We live in
a red state. You and me, one of my senators,
I'm glad that you are, and maybe more here in
a little bit. But when you see what's happening in Nashville,
because I think a lot of people out there say, okay,
(04:11):
State Tennessee very read. There's a mayor, Freddie O'Connell in
a city of Nashville who has basically said, hey, we're
going to try to stop ICE from doing their work.
This has become a big talking point many cities all
over the place. First, you have got a bill called
the Remove Act that would take from ninety days down
to fifteen days to help expedite the removal of people
(04:34):
who shouldn't be in this country. So that is something
you're doing directly to try to help the president. But
when you see a city like Nashville, when you see
someone making the choices that the mayor there is making,
that Karen bass is making in Los Angeles to directly
defy the president's authority, can you believe it?
Speaker 2 (04:51):
It is difficult to believe. And this is why removing
these criminal, illegal aliens is a ninety percent issue and
people want them to be taken out of the country.
And the other thing is the doxing. This is something
that happened in Nashville and you had the mayor and
(05:14):
his office that actually exposed the names of HSI investigators
and also of our ICE agents and their operations. Now
you cannot do that and exposing that, we found out
that it is not illegal to reveal the name of
(05:38):
a law enforcement officer. It is illegal when they're undercover
and you reveal their information. So my preventing law enforcement
doxing that legislation. We've also filed to include law enforcements
who are implementing the law in that so that we
(06:02):
can protect our law enforcement officers at the local, state,
and federal level. It should be illegal to dox them,
whether they're undercover or out doing their regular job. And
what we see happening with this obstruction is people are saying,
why the Democrats choosing to die on this hill? Yeah,
(06:26):
why are they absolutely making this their issue number one
when this is something that people overwhelmingly support. Get them
removed from the country. Protect law enforcement, don't dox them,
don't go put their pictures up, don't go put their
(06:46):
home address, don't endanger their families. People want to show
respect for law enforcement.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
Department of Justice is investigating what Nashville has happened, right
you've asked for that, Yes, Pam Bondi's the attorney General.
What do you expect that investigation to be?
Speaker 3 (07:02):
Like?
Speaker 1 (07:03):
How should it be?
Speaker 2 (07:03):
You know, I'm sure they will have something to say
about this. I sent the letter over. I have requested
that a formalize an investigation, and I would expect that
at some point we will hear from that. You do
have the Homeland Security Committee in the House, which is
(07:24):
chaired by Representative Green out of Tennessee, and also the
Judiciary Committee in the House. They have started an investigation
and looking at what happened with obstructing these raids.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
Were you a studd I mean, you've lived in the
state of Tennessee and in the Nashville area, as have
I for a very long time. And look, sometimes mayors
are good, sometimes mayors are bad, particularly as it pertains
to any big city that you might have in a state.
I was stunned when I saw the mayor of Nashville,
Freddie O'Connell, engaging in this behavior and having a press
conference to brad about it. Were you as stunned as
(08:01):
I was?
Speaker 2 (08:03):
I was stunned. I couldn't believe that there would be
a defiance of removing criminals. You know, one of the
top issues when you talk to people in Middle Tennessee
and West Tennessee crime, they talk about the escalated occurrence
of criminal acts. Carjackings, particularly home.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
Robbery, had one of the high violent crime rates in
the whole nation.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
Right, and so it has stunned people that Nashville had
a mayor that would come out and would choose to
protect criminal, illegal aliens over law abiding citizens. When people
have been saying we've got to get the crime down,
They've been really unsettled by the number of home robberies
(08:54):
that have taken place and the number of gangs that
have moved into the Nashville area. I have not talked
to a single person who wants to have more Trenda
or Agua or MS thirteen in their community. I mean
not one. They want them gone.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
They should be gone. We're talking to Senator Marsha Blackburn
of Tennessee, Okay, in particular. Now big beautiful bill is underway. Yes,
you are in the Senate majority fifty three Republicans. I'm
sure you like everybody else, saw Elon and Trump going
back and forth. Elon says there's not enough cutting of
(09:35):
spending that's going on, This is past the House. President
Trump says, Hey, we're going to create incredible growth rate.
We're going to put in place all these tax cuts
for years and years ago, because otherwise they expire. What
should we know about the big beautiful bill? What should
the timeframe be? There's a ton of deal with the
border as well, which would help to ideally keep some
(09:55):
other president like Biden from wide opening the border again
to allow people to we're in what's the latest? What
should we know? What's the time for us?
Speaker 2 (10:03):
Yes, and we are hopeful to have it to the
President by July fourth, so that we've got that true
independence today. And we know that this is a tax
cut bill. It is kind of tax cut and jobs
at two point zero, and we will make those tax
cuts permanent. We're also trying to make permanent RND bus
(10:27):
bonus appreciation interest expensing because we've got a lot of
small businesses in Tennessee ninety three percent of our jobs
or small business jobs in the state, and that's important
to them. Also provisions for no tax on tips over
time and social Security, and that is my legislation to
(10:49):
remove the tax from social Security for our seniors. So
we're in the process of negotiating those. We're finalizing some
of those provisions. We want to get permanents on these provisions.
That's how you get that extended growth that will run
out past ten years. So we'd like not to be
(11:13):
back at the negotiating table. In businesses and individuals, tennesseeans
tell me all the time, just tell me what the
rules are, and I'll play by the rules. But we
don't like this changing everything, and especially when we have
so many small businesses, mom and pops, small business, manufacturing
businesses on our main streets. We need some permanents.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
We've had Senator Ron Johnson on the show. He says
more spending needs to be cut. We've had Ran Paul
On saying the same thing. Are you optimistic that the
Senate is going to be able to come to us, Yes, sir,
I am.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
The House did one and a half trillion in spending reductions.
The Senate won't say two trillion dollar reduction. And we've
got a pathway to do that. Now. The those cuts
are they have to come to us through omb from
the White House, and then that is going into what
(12:09):
is called a recision bill. So we can't put those
into the reconciliation the tax bill, they've got to travel separately.
Kind of it's the same time we got the first
package of those. It's nine billion dollars, which over a
ten billion a ten year period, you're talking about significant savings.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
Last question for you, I think the key to all
this is growth. There's a guy who lives in the
Nashville area, the kind of smart come on, he makes
this case, but I think it's one that is being
missed a little bit, and I want to give you
an opportunity. But if we get the growth of the
economy to three percent or more, which I think we will,
(12:51):
then we are going to actually start to cut the deficit.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
That's correct.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
It's really important because the CBO, and there's all these
numbers that are running around out there, all of it's
predicated the projections on what the growth rate of the
country is. If we get to three percent, then the
national debt starts getting paid down and the president's focused
on growth more than cuts. Ideally you get both, but growth,
(13:17):
to a large extent, according to people like Art Laugher,
is the most important thing that is accurate.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
And bear in mind CBO is always wrong on their projections.
They have been wrong every single time. They were wrong
on the twenty seventeen cuts, and so you do want
to reduce spending and you want to get that growth.
And President Trump had the Senate Finance Republicans at the
(13:44):
White House last week to work on some of this
with him, the Vice President, Secretary Besson, and Kevin Hassett.
And one of the things we know is that if
you are growing, if you put these cuts in place,
and it's the largest tax cut, and you get permanence
(14:05):
on R and D and expensing and depreciation, then you
are going to see that because you will have your
small businesses choose to grow, yes, and to hire and
to expand. That is how you get that growth. And
the multiplier effect on that is so significant.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
And not only that. COVID hit right as Trump's economy
was exploding right January of twenty twenty February of twenty
twenty probably the greatest economic season we've ever had, correct
and then COVID happened, and suddenly everything goes off the rails.
We get that rolling again by twenty twenty four, twenty
twenty eight, in the next election cycle, we should be
(14:51):
firing on all CILLI.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
That is accurate, and we are looking forward to having
this permanence. And then bear in mind too, in twenty
seventeen when we did the Tax Cut and Jobs Act,
the biggest benefactor of those changes were your small businesses.
(15:14):
You saw such an explosion of small business manufacturing, and
this was so good for Tennessee. We had a lot
of businesses that had been there for years that this
was their chance to grow. So they jumped to that level.
And now they are waiting to hire, they are waiting
to invest, they're waiting to punch send on those equipment
(15:39):
orders because they want to be able to depreciate that
in that first year or two and then move into upgrades.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
Senator Marshall Blackburn with us by the way, just walking
in behind you, one of your senate colleagues, Senator Tommy Tubberville.
You guys to be governor colleagues before long.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
Two. Tommy Tubberville is a great guy. We call him Coach.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
Yeah, he's going to be on with us here at
just a second. Senator Marshall Blackburn, thank you. Keep up
the good work, and we look forward to celebrating the
big beautiful bill is done.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
You got it.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
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couple of weeks and we're having people in studio with
us to talk about everything under the sun. You just
heard from Nitor Marsha Blackbird at Tennessee, and now you
got a guy who's a senator and also soon to
be a governor, Tommy Tupperville. I know that you made
the announcement. It was the last week I was. I
was on a vacation with my kids running around a
(19:14):
Universal studios, So I know you were on with Buck.
But we'll dive into all that here in a moment.
But also I know you are a monster football fan.
They had a big decision about twenty and a half
million dollars to spend. I bet you still talk to
a lot of coaches. I do too. Did you ever
think that we'd end up in this situation where guys
(19:35):
are basically holding out every few months and saying, Hey,
unless I get ex coach, I'm not going to play
for you. I know the Senate's not easy, but do
a part of you feel a little bit sorry for
some of these coaches what they have to deal with
on a day to day basis.
Speaker 4 (19:48):
It's a killer. I mean, that's just going to run
a lot of people out. Obviously Nick didn't. He didn't
last long. He got out. And when you can't control
your destiny, and Nick and I and a lot of
my buddy I grew up with, we learn from from
good people. Jimmy Johnson, you bring in two three stars
nobody ever heard of, and you build a football team.
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You can't do that anymore. It's not about building a team.
It's not about loyalty, and it's not about education, the
three things that it should be about. It's totally gotten
away from that. And now it's about money. And I'm
fine with them making money. I've always thought they should
make money. It's a full time job. But there's really
it's hard to make a plan for it. When you've
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got six hundred athletes, half of them are women and
then the other half most of them are Olympic sports
and men's sports non revenue, you have two sports. You know,
basketball really doesn't make any money. Everybody said, well, men's
men's basketball at one or two schools might make money them.
They're lucky to break even. They spend a lot of money.
Of the only one that makes money is the big
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stadium football teams. And of course now the TV contracts
have gotten huge. But yeah, twenty point five million to
spread around on each team. Now you don't have to
get involved in that, you know that, Clay, Yeah, you
can opt out and say, listen, we don't have the
money to do it. And that's what's going to happen
to seventy percent. They don't have the money to do that.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
Right.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
We're talking to Senator Tommy Tuberville. Next year he'll be
governor Tommy Tuberbole, which will be an interesting transition. Why
what what?
Speaker 2 (21:21):
What?
Speaker 1 (21:21):
What's the role that as Alabama governor was so attractive
to you that next year you'll I think, you know,
I'll go ahead and make a prediction be the next
governor for Alabama.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
What do you want to do well.
Speaker 4 (21:33):
I'm a builder, yeah, as I was a football coach,
and up here you're one of one hundred and you
can do a lot of good for your state and
the country. Uh, it's really watered down. It runs at
a slow pace. But I looked at staying and my
wife and I talked about it, and you know, I've
got grandkids now, and I look at a situation where
I can go home. I can take the experience that
(21:54):
I've learned up here, all the all the connections. Now
you've got to have connections to get federal money and
go back to Alabama and we can get a coaching staff,
as i'd call it. You know, people run education, health care,
and military all that and do the same thing at
at a smaller level, just for the five million people
in the state. And we go from there and we
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hit the ground running. So you can see results as
a governor, you can see results here. Say they are
few and far between, and they're very, very slow. And
again I didn't I didn't mind doing it. When we
had Biden administration, it was defense. I'm a defensive guy,
but it was defense all the time. You couldn't get
anything done Now with President Trump, and he's doing a
(22:35):
great job. He's gotten common sense back up here. He's
working the halls of the Senate trying to get this big,
beautiful bill across, which it will eventually. But at the
end of the day, I just looked at it and say,
you know, to use my ability as the best I
can and the best for Alabama. Go back and be governor.
Alabama is an awesome state. It's a great place. There
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will be a Senate opening to replace you. It's going
to be a public and how do you see that
race playing out? There'll be four or five six people
run for it, and they should. They all call me
and I said, of course, you know. I'm telling you,
I'm not going to endorse anybody. You're on your own
until you win the primary. And I think that's the
(23:17):
right way to do it. Just it'll be a free
for all. Even Bruce Pearl, I've heard his name thrown
in there. I don't think at the end of the
day he will do it. I've texted some about him.
I love I love coach Pearl like you do. He's
the basketball coach for Auburn. For people out there that
might not know, and he's been really outspoken because he's
been so fired up about the response since October seventh.
As a guy who's Jewish, there's just a lot of
(23:39):
awfulness that's been happening.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (23:40):
Yeah, and he would be a great politician. But I
just I don't think it's time for him. You know,
I was retired, Yeah, you know, I wasn't still working.
I could have been, but I just chose to get
out and I worked for ESPN for a couple of
years and yeah, and I said, you know, I'm going
to do something for American people, the country that gave
me so much. And so that's the reason I did it.
And I think if he was retired, he'd be he'd
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be a great senator.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
What should we know about the so called big beautiful Bill.
I was just talking with Senator Blackburn. She says she
feels like there's a good pathway to get this done
by July fourth. I know that's the kind of back
of the mind target. Do you feel good about that?
Speaker 3 (24:17):
What do you hear?
Speaker 1 (24:18):
Obviously there's been a lot of fireworks all around it
as it's gotten closer. What do you see on the floor.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
Yeah, first of all, we have no choice. We've got
to get it done.
Speaker 4 (24:27):
It's got to be passed, and it's got to be
passed soon because if we don't, twenty two percent of
everybody's taxes will go up. And you can just you can,
you can say enough, you know, for the Republican Party
after we'd promised all this. Now the other part, other
than the tax cuts, there's a lot of good things
in the bill. Now, there's a lot of things that's like,
you know, putting lipstick on a pig. You know, as
(24:48):
a conservative like me, I'd rather not do it. But
it's like anything else, Clay, you're not gonna have. It's
not gonna be perfect, but we have got to get
growth in this country. A lot of my cohorts are
saying it's not enough. Well, at the end of the day,
we're counting on tariffs and we're counting on growth to
overcome a lot.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
Of the.
Speaker 4 (25:07):
Cuts that's not in the bill, and so it's it's
gonna be a fight. You know, Rand Paul, he doesn't
like the debt limited five five tree and none of
us do.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (25:17):
But that's not to say you're gonna get there. I said, Ran,
you know, President Trump just wants to a point where
we don't have to raise it every three months because
the Democrats are going to hold our feet to the
fire every time we want to do it. Let's just
do it all at one time. Everybody's got a reason
for doing it or not doing it. Some say there's
not enough cuts, but we've got to take care of
the people that work. Clay what President Trump and heights
(25:41):
one in sixteen and in twenty four was the people
that go to work every day and put their nose
to the grindstone and barely make enough money to pay
for their family and their kids going to school. And
they look around, going, we've got criminals that don't go
with the law. We've got we've got illegals here that
are getting food stamps, welfare, free housing.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
What's going on? Who somebody's not standing at for us?
Speaker 4 (26:07):
What President Trump is and this bill stands up for
the American worker, and that's reading. We have to get
it done. We have to get it done now and
then we can do another. We've got another reconciliation coming,
so it's not like we're finished. Let's get this one
across the goal line. And there's some things that I
want to push a little bit harder, But at the
end of the day, I'm going to vote for it
because I know how important it is to our country.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
We had Riley Gaines on the show earlier today. You've
gone a lot of OutKick shows over the years with her,
with her yeah, and a lot of our You know,
I can't believe that out Kick site that I found
it is the only one that we'll say men shouldn't
be playing in women's sports in all of sports. You
have been working on this, but just as a preliminary
(26:50):
you coach for a long time, would you have ever
believed that Democrats would make it their party belief system
that men who pretend to be women should be able
to win women's championships. And for people out there who say,
oh it doesn't matter, look California, Washington, and Minnesota. Just
in the last week men have won women's state championships.
(27:13):
I mean, this is crazy town. Did you see the
softball pitcher?
Speaker 4 (27:17):
Of course I didn't, bigger, taller, They couldn't. They couldn't
get the swing around that course, or it passed them.
It just it's foolishness, yes, And you know it makes
no sense whatsoever. The Democrats don't believe in it, but
they push it because they don't have anything else to push,
and so they want to keep that group of LBGTQ
folks voting for them and named Frey, Well, if we
(27:38):
do this, and we're going to lose that voting base,
and that's only really the voting base they have, and
they really don't have all of them. It's just it
makes no sense to me.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
Would you ever believe that that was ever going to
be an issue? Hoolytically No. And the other thing is
not just participationist. It's dressing in the same dressing rooms. Yeah, Showers,
I mean, who believes that? Who believes that's right? I mean,
it just makes no sense.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (28:05):
And so again it goes back to their ideology. Uh,
you know these the Democratic Party is just it's splintered.
You've got the far left that's pushing all this, and
so you've got the people that are moderate Democrats are
looking going, well, if I don't go along with this,
I'm not gonna get campaign money and I'm gonna be
kicked to the curb and I'm gonna lose my seat.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
That's reason we need term limits, I'm telling you.
Speaker 4 (28:31):
If we don't, we got to do something where people
don't have to be held hostage by the leadership of
their parties. We have to have term limits where people
can think for themselves and vote for their constituents.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
And look, by the way you're making a choice. You
could have stayed in the Senate as long as you
wanted to be in the Senate, right, you could have
been in here for decades. But you have served, and
now you want to go back to Alabama and be governor.
And I'm betting after eight years as governor of Alabama,
you'll probably just say, hey, it's time to work on
my golf shots more.
Speaker 4 (28:58):
Yeah, I would, I would, I would hope, but yeah,
you know. And I've been one of the most outspoken.
And I'm not a politician. Heck, I come up here
and look around going, hey this, I stand for this,
and I'm gonna speak out for it. I'm the only
one that's had a bill on biological boys and men
and women's sports, and we voted on it three times.
I've had it on the floor three times, and I've
not caught one Democrat to vote for it. Actually lost
(29:19):
a Republican the first time we had that on the floor,
So that just no common sense up here when it
comes to a lot of things. Again, the Democrats are look,
they're searching for an ideology that will strike a note
with the American people where the can get re elected.
But this nonsense in California right now, the nonsense of
(29:39):
the girls being beat up, literally beat up against men
in sports.
Speaker 3 (29:48):
It's a losing.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
Costs Alabama a lot of people with a lot of
different beliefs. Is this kind of stuff would not happen
in Red states, right even with blue cities. They're not
going to allow this kind of violence to take place.
Did you ever think that it would be necessary to
just have a legislation to not allow men and women's sports?
Speaker 4 (30:10):
And never dreamed it would even we even be talking
about it. But if you go back to red and blue,
you know how sports, how important they are in Red states?
Speaker 1 (30:20):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (30:21):
I'm talking about girls sports and little kids sports.
Speaker 4 (30:23):
And in high school and junior high and then even
you know, the higher education. It's so important. It's not
that important in Blue states. I mean a lot of
the Democrats up here that they would know difference between
football and basketball. I mean it's not that important in
their family life. And so alway isn't making a difference.
(30:44):
You know, it doesn't. So it's so important to in
the state of Alabama that you would have an uprising
deluxe if you had had that pitcher in softball pitching
against women, you would, I mean it would. And then
of course you know the swimming with Riley Gaines, and
I'm very disappointed in the gymnasts come out the other day.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
Yes, I'm on Biles. I couldn't believe it.
Speaker 3 (31:07):
I could not believe what she said.
Speaker 4 (31:10):
It makes no sense if if you can take the
top twenty men in the country that could have that
were competed against her, that would probably have beat her. Yeah,
uh true in anything. And so it's like some of
the older of tennis players and that of the years
have made tons of money playing women's sports, and all
(31:32):
of a sudden, oh yeah, I think this is right.
They should be able to participate. What I mean, you'd
have been and also ran if that had happened. So
what's happening now is we're going to lose little girls. Yeah,
we're gonna lose little girls because they're gonna look at
and parents are going to say, there's no reason for
you to do that. We're gonna have a lot of
cheerleaders is what we're gonna have because they like to
be athletic.
Speaker 3 (31:53):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (31:54):
And it's just it's just unfortunate that it's gonna happen.
But you look at some and some peace people. You know,
there are entire teams in high school across the country,
most on the West Coast, that are all transend transgenders.
I mean, it's over. Everybody said it's just a few
of them. No, it's not a few, and it's growing
(32:15):
every day.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
Look, I will say this, and I think I've said
it on the show, but if I haven't, Blue States,
the way that we are going, every track and field
champion will be a man pretending to be a woman.
I mean, that's where we're headed. It's crazy.
Speaker 4 (32:29):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
Congratulations to you a year in advance on being a governor.
You probably don't want to celebrate early. You don't want
to high step into the end zone. Got to run
through the end zone. Got to run through the end
zone with the ball still in your hand. But he
Senator Tobby Tubberville, soon to be the next governor of Alabama.
We got to play. Well, I'm too bad at golf.
I don't want to subject you to that, but we'll
be crossing paths. Uh maybe a July fourth and beyond
(32:52):
down on the thirty A and the and the Gulf
Shores area. That's the best beaches in America. A lot
of people don't know Alabama's got some of the best
beaches America. Yeah, Alabama. At Orange Beach, they just they're
starting a three hundred million dollar project Margaritaville. Oh yeah,
it's and you know it's really growing. I mean it's beautiful.
If you haven't been, they don't want me to say
(33:12):
it because of a Gulf Shores, Orange Beach all the
way down through there, but you've had a few drinks
before at the Floria Bama right there on the it's
one of the most iconic.
Speaker 4 (33:21):
Bars throughout the first mullet when you know the mullet
toss Pink Pony, Ken Stabler, commisity coach, I need you,
and it's like throwing out the first pitch. People don't
a mullet is a fish, folks, Yeah, but they they
you throw a fish and you whoever has the father's
throw in the competition wins. So they wanted me to
come down and throughout the first mullet that I thought
that was aweso.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
That is that is a really mullet toss, a big
thing that happens down to Floria, Bama. And if you're
wondering what the world floor Bama, that's where Florida and
Alabama meet. Literally the bar is on the state line Florida, Alabama,
beautiful beach is. Senators soon to be Governor Tommy Tupperville
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gonna be on from one moment to the next. I
don't even know. Ali can text me who's gonna be
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gonna have some guests. I promise we're on top of it.
And Buck, we'll be back in studio with me, so
we should have a lot of fun Tuesday, Wednesday, and
Thursday here on the program. Buck will be with me.
I'm up here for a couple of weeks because my kids,
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