April 23, 2025 • 36 mins
Hour 3 of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show kicks off with a discussion on the tariff issue and its impact on the markets. The hosts emphasize the importance of the America First economic model, which aims to enhance national security and competitiveness on the world stage. They reflect on their recent interview with Interior Secretary Doug Burgum, highlighting his impressive background and contributions to the Trump administration.
The conversation shifts to Trump's trade policies, particularly his stance on China and the European Union. Trump asserts that the days of the U.S. being taken advantage of in trade deals are over, and he aims to make substantial economic gains for the country. The hosts discuss the complexities of negotiating with China and the importance of fair trade practices. A lot of politicians aren't concerned with doing what's right. They're concerned with doing what gets them elected.
A notable segment covers the shouting match between Elon Musk and Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent in the West Wing, illustrating the intense passion and disagreements within the Trump administration. The hosts speculate on Musk's frustration with the slow pace of government operations compared to his private sector ventures.
The hour also includes a lighthearted debate on the best 1980s actor, with Patrick Swayze emerging as a strong contender due to his diverse roles in movies like "Roadhouse," "Ghost," and "Dirty Dancing." The hosts discuss the range and impact of Swayze's performances, comparing him to other notable actors of the era.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome in third hour of Clay and Buck kicks off
right now, and appreciate you being with us.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Everybody.
Speaker 1 (00:07):
Let's dive into where we stand on the teriff issue.
Things looking okay today in the markets, but I'm not
gonna do this thing where good day, bad day. We're
gonna chase it all. And this is about the macro picture.
This is the thirty thousand foot view of not just
the manufacturing and the employment picture and the stock market,
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but also the future of our country, our competitiveness on
the world stage in America. First economic model that allows
us to thrive, yes, economically, but also from a national
security perspective. We were just talking to Interior secretary, a
great interview, by the way, I highly recommend you go
(00:51):
and listen if you missed it, if you're joining us
now in progress with Doug Bergram, Interior secretary who Clay
had breakfast with this morning. And I gotta say, impressive guy.
And I thought so to be fair, even during the debates,
I said, no, this guy's this guy's got something. Clearly
Trump thought so too, right. He ran for president and
made enough of an impression that Trump has now given
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him what is an important role Interior Secretary doesn't get
the same kind of press as I think it's always
Treasury and Secretary of State for the cabinet positions, just
the media rights about those, you know, people care a
lot about their money, and they care about foreign policy
and wars and stuff like that, and Secretary Defense.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Those are probably the big three.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
But Interior Secretary has a very important portfolio, especially given
the dual the dual track clay that Trump is pursuing
with Burgham and the people in doge of efficiency and
making everything work better that the government should be doing
and should not be doing part of that, and then
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also going after our resources more aggressively and not allowing
these lunatic left wing environmentalist wackos to do things like
shut down the Keystone XL pipeline, which was just cutting
off your nose despite your face. It makes no sense totally.
And I had not met Doug Bergham other than to
(02:17):
shake hands with him. I was at the Ohio State
and Penn State game. We were campaigning for Dave McCormick,
and that was a really fun event. Shook hands with him.
We had an awesome breakfast this morning. It was great
to be able to spend some time with him. Remember
he was one of the final three I think buck
in the VP sweepstakes.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
If I remember correctly.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
It was JD. There were rumors that it was going
to be him. There were rumors that he was gonna
be the VP. It was him, It was this according
to reports, him, JD and I believe Glenn Youngkin were
potentially the final three that Trump was reportedly considering, and
JD got the pick and he's been great. But meeting
(03:00):
with Doug Bergham, I think we probably have under discussed
I mean you, me and the larger media outlets. Trump
has put together a really phenomenal cabinet. I mean across
the board. When you look and compare Trump two point
zero to Trump one point oh, the amount of brain
(03:22):
power that he has brought to bear in this cabinet
and incredibly accomplished people who have done things outside of government.
You know, Doug Bargam built a really great company that
Microsoft bought in North Dakota. I don't know how many
Dakota tech companies have been created that are worth billions
of dollars, but he built one. And I think he's
(03:43):
taught this story publicly, But anybody out there who started
small business. There have probably been times where you have been,
maybe for years, lying awake in your bed, like, man,
I don't know if we're gonna make payroll. I'm not
sure how well this company is going to go. I mean,
starting a small business is not something that often leads
to a lot of rest and relaxation. It's a battle.
(04:05):
And he talked about except for seven years, he wasn't
really sure how well the company was going to work,
and he's fighting tooth and nail. He mortgaged his family
farm one hundred and forty acres to start that company,
and he's like, I'm going to legitimately lose the family
farm over this business. And I want people and you
and I have talked about this who have had some
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success in life who decide to give back to the
government to a large extent instead of a lot of
these Joe Biden figures who just worked their whole life
in the government. Well, this is a whole lot and
I think it's even worse claive than working their whole
life in the government. They work for bureaucracies, whether it's
the government or some think tank or that it's like
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they're paid they're bought and paid for by somebody else
who actually has to create things and make money, right,
So I think the other thing is there. It was
not long ago. I remember in the early days of
the Tea Party the notion of.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Adding a.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
Slew of high level executives from the private sector to
take really important jobs in government.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
That was a pipe dream.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
You know, you go back to the Bush era and yeah,
I know you can say that. Well, you know, Cheney
had a private sector background. In Rumsfeld, it was like
military industrial complex stuff. I'm talking about what Clay is
talking about, which is builds a company, has the vision,
takes the risk, understands how to make this work. And
you have this with a whole range of people who
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work with Obviously Elon Musk's probably the best known and
the most visible right now, even though he's a special
government employee. But you have it with Doug Berg, and
you have it with you know, Scott bess End, who
was very high level, a hedge fun guy. I mean,
these are people who have this is really a thing, Clay.
Have you had to make decisions where right or wrong matters,
(05:56):
and if you're wrong there are consequences. Have you You've
gone through your entire adult life working at places where
whether you showed up or not, it didn't matter where
whether you showed up or not, the check would be
there waiting for you because somehow the money usually from
a taxpayer, but you know, comes from somewhere else, an
endowment at a university, a foundation set up by some
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rich family fifty years ago, and no one even knows
where the money is still going these days, you know,
or I mean, you did this, We're doing this now
with Crockett. Do you just pull some assets together, hire
some people, and tighten up your bootstraps, hope for the best,
and try to build something. And that is that is
a mentality, a skill set, and a discipline that is
(06:42):
now brought to bear with Trump and his team.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
And this was this is not the case before.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
I mean, you know, even some of our favorites, I
mean you go back and look at some very popular
Republican politicians and presidents did not have the private sect,
certainly the private sector cabinet that we see for us
right now in terms.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Of how how impressive they are.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
I mean, yeah, they've had people from Goldman Sachs working
in the government before, probably too many of them, but
there have been a lot of very impressive people. Okay,
so let's get into these tariffs here for second, Clay,
this is Trump. First of all, it's funny. I saw
somebody asked me last night I did, Uh. You know
Leland Vidderd, who used to be at Fox. He now
is a show and he's a friend, so I occasionally
will pop up on a show or news nation.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
Uh, he says, you know.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
So what do you think about Trump saying we're going
to be nice to China? And he actually got me
for a seconds. I was like, wait, what Trump just
said we're going to be nice? Yeah, he did apparently
said we're gonna be nice to China. That's today, it
could change tomorrow. Here's Trump on the trade deals. China's
of course front and center on this play cut four.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
They all want to be involved with America, and we
have a lot of action going on.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
We have.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
We're making a lot of money this country. This country
is not going to be losing money on trade anymore.
Funny thing, we were losing two trillion.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
Dollars a year on trade.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
Now we're going to be making money, a lot of money.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
So that's very good.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
Every country wants to partake even countries that have this
years China as an example, but it's not just China.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
European Union.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
They ripped us off for many, many years, and those
days are over. We're gonna make a lot of money
for our people. We'll be able to lower taxes substantially,
and we're going to be proud of ourselves. They're not
going to be a laughing stock taken advantage of by
virtually every country in the world.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
Clay, I'll get to the China pieces of a second.
How do you think this is going so far for Trump? Look,
I think Trump, as we come up on one hundred days,
has had one of the most incredible hundred days that
we've ever seen.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
I mean that honestly.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
He has delivered on exactly what he said he was
going to go after he shut down the border, which
we were told was impossible. I mean that is in
a plus plus plus plus plus plus. I mean, Tom Homan,
what they have done. This is exactly what we voted for.
I think on trade, it's going to be a battle,
and this is one that is not going to be
decided anytime soon. So I think you know you have
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to give him. I don't know a B A B
minus if you want to say, because understandably it's going
to take a while. So that was one that couldn't
be resolved rapidly. And then I think overall on the budget,
I think he's done pretty well. I mean Elon Musk
or the work that he has done, we should mention.
Yesterday Elon said on the Tesla call that he's likely
(09:21):
going to be spending less and less time in the government.
We told you this was going to happen, and we
predicted I think on this program that sometime around May
that all of the obligations Elon Musk has in the
larger world we're going to begin to impinge upon him.
That has happened. He says he's going to spend more
time with his companies, and so I think this battle
(09:43):
with the tariffs and the trade wars is such a
hard fight. You mentioned politicians and what their backgrounds are.
Starting a small business is hard. A lot of people
run from doing hard things, and I think that many
politicians try to avoid addressing things that are hard battles
(10:07):
to win because they're not really concerned with making the
country better. They're concerned with making sure that they always
get re elected, and sometimes if you try to do
hard things, people can start to blame you for the
consequences of taking on hard battles. Look, I think this
has happened with entitlements. Why do we have entitlements spending
(10:27):
rapidly eclipsing the entirety of our federal budget because a
lot of politicians won't be honest with people about the
cost of health care and the cost of Social Security
and how that is gobbling up increasingly more and more
of our budgets because that's not an issue that gets
easily resolved, and if it does get resolved, it might
cost you your job. And so a lot of politicians
(10:49):
aren't concerned with doing what's right. They're concerned with what
gets them elected. And I kind of think about it
from an analogistic perspective. Buck if you talk to people
who run companies, they will say one of the toughest
things about running a company is having to have quarterly
results public companies, because when you have to meet quarterly expectations,
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sometimes you don't do what's in the best interest of
the company for a decade. You do what's in the
best interest of the company for two months. Those can
become conflicting ideals, and that's why some people say, Hey,
I don't want to take my company public because I
want to be able to run it in the best
manner possible. But that might mean that we don't meet
earnings in quarter one, but by quarter one two years
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from now, we're far better than we would have been
if we had been trying to make sure we met
short term success. But we sacrifice a long term success
for short term success. And I think what Trump's trying
to do here is set up long term success, even
if that potentially means in the short term. The metrics
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of success are not necessarily met in a traditional political environment.
And this is why I think Bucky would like to
be able to run for reelection, because I think he's
thinking longer term and he knows that it's hard to
get a lot done in four years, and the older
I get, the shorter four years seems. Because man, I'll
tell you I didn't enjoy the Biden administration. But there
are lots of times when you're young where a presidential
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term of four years seems like it takes forever. High
school seems like it took forever. College can seem like
it takes forever. I turn around now and I'm like,
that was eight years ago. That seems like, you know,
two years ago, right, And I know some of you
out there older than me, and you're like, you know,
listen here, whipper snapper. It only gets worse. But I
think that's part what Trump is grappling with, if that
makes sense. Absolutely now here. He is grappling with getting
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a deal done. This is cut five, getting a deal
done with China.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
My relationship with President she is great. It was, It's
been great for a long time. We've had a very
good relationship.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
And I think we'll make a deal with China. We're
going to be very nice.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
They're going to be very nice, and we'll see what happens.
But ultimately they have to make a deal because otherwise
they're not going to be able to deal in the
United States.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
You know, it's very Trump. We're gonna be very nice.
Well what does that mean with with Trump?
Speaker 1 (13:10):
That leads a lot of open territory, nice like polite
and funny, but then gonna demand that China plays ball
or else. I mean, I I think that Look, he
loves he lives for this stuff. Honestly, he lives for
sitting down across the table from the second most powerful
world leader in the world, which is what chesenping is.
It's not Vladimir Putin, it is Jesion ping no question
(13:33):
and saying, you know, hey, buddy, what do you got?
Speaker 2 (13:36):
What cards? What cards do you think you hold? Right now?
Let's see he loves to negotiate. We'll talk about this.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
By the way, screaming match in the Oval Office buck
between Elon Musk and Treasury Secretary Scott Bessant, according to Axios,
we'll talk about that guy's got chess to chess uh
and we're letting each other have it. So we'll give
you the latest on that. Some drama inside of the
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play Travis Buck Sexton Show appreciate all of you hanging
out with us. I tease this just breaking about twenty
minutes ago from Axios Musk versus besent Doge. Obviously Elon
(16:01):
Musk Bessen is the Treasury Secretary. They got into a
West Wing shouting match over the irs head, according to
two witnesses three sources quote it was two billionaire middle
aged men thinking it was wwe in the hall of.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
The West Wing.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
The clash with both men and each other's faces yelling
at each other over the irs head. Asked about the
shouting match, White House Press Secretary Caroline Levitt referred to
comments she made to The Times about how, quote, it's
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no secret President Trump has put together a team of
people who are incredibly passionate about the issues impacting our country.
Disagreements are a normal part of any healthy policy process.
Ultimately everyone knows they so at the pleasure of President Trump.
I think buck that Elon is beginning to finally get
(17:07):
as we said, he likely would super frustrated at not
being able to get government to move as fast as
he wants it to be moved. As we know he
has done at Tesla, at SpaceX, at XAI, at Twitter.
He wants to move fast and break things, and it's
hard to do that at government, very hard to do
(17:30):
that in government. I've thought this all along. I've told
you guys, you know, this dose thing is going to
be tough.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
They're doing. I love what they're doing, but they're trying to.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
It's like a guy in a tugboat trying to move
the Empire of the seas or whatever. That giant cruise
ship is that I see parking in mind. What's the
It's called something like that. It's like the biggest ship
in the world. I forget the name. I drive past it.
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I spoke to the President about it this morning. He
is not going to give up on ensuring that there
are fair trade practices around the world. He is not
giving up on the fact that China has been ripping
off the United States of America for far too long.
And President Trump has brought hundreds of countries now from
around the world to the negotiating table. We have eighteen
proposals on paper from nations around the world who recognize
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that they have in fact been ripping off the United States.
And there's a president in the Oval Office right now
who is no longer going to tolerate it. So this
is the art of the deal. President Trump is using
the leverage of the United States to bring nations to
the negotiating table that includes China, who he remains very
optimistic there will be a fair trade deal with China
that finally puts American workers and American industry first.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
Yep art of the deal, Trump's doing his thing as
we knew that he would all along. No one's going
to tell him not to. He is the Trumpster, and
he will be judged by his results on this one,
and he knows that, and he also I think deserve
you know a lot of things play what I've said. Look,
he's been right on so many things where even and
(20:00):
a lot of Republicans were saying, oh, no, you can't
do that.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
His whole political story is being right.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
When everyone says you can't do that, or pushing through
whatever and says it's impossible.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
But on China specifically, he's the.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
Only one who's doing anything, or rather he's the only
one who's been in a position to do anything who's
been willing to look at this issue.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
You speak to anybody, and.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
I mean I saw mister wonderful Kevin O'Leary was on
TV recently talking about how and I've heard this from
other people. I was in I was in China for
a business conference in twenty nineteen and it's very very interesting,
very eerie thing. I don't know how many of you
have been to China. Some of you have probably been
missionaries there or something and have been there for twenty
years and speak Mandarin. But and I say that not kidding.
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I'm sure there are a few of you who that's
the case. But when you go there, it is like
you're on another planet in a lot of ways, just
because things that you cannot take certain things for granted
at all, and you're very mindful of who you're speaking
to and what you're saying, and what you're googling, or
rather not googling because you can't google, but you know
what you're doing on the Internet. And the theft of
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intellectual property. I mean, think about this, Clay. You want
to do business in China. You run a company that
you know makes widgets, you know, the Crockett Widget Company.
We decide we're going to set up shop. Oh we
want access to China's market, Okay, cool, So we do
a joint venture with a Chinese company because the Chinese
government mandates it, and then we do this joint venture
with them, and then they set up shop down the
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road with government backing, taking all the stuff that we've
brought with us, replicating it, starting a new company, shutting
down our joint venture, and we can't sue, We can't
do anything. It's see you later. That is standard operating
procedure in the People's Republic of China. That is what
goes on their clay. It's why companies don't want to
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do business with them, and they get away with this
stuff all the time. I would point out that if
you question Trump's wisdom on tariffs in the way that
he responded to China, do you know that the only
thing Joe Biden didn't change when he took office John
Trump's tariffs on China, And it sort of has slipped
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under the radar that that occurred. But think about all
the executive orders that Joe Biden put in place the
minute that he got to the oval office. One of
the most controversial things that Trump did, we were told,
was China trade policy and the tariffs that he implemented
to try to make Chinese trade policy farer with the
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United States. So many people squawked in opposition. Biden got
in office, never changed him, kept him on.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
Biden.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
Here you go a little fun throwback here. January twenty
twenty two. President Biden's administration has left tariffs in place
on three hundred and fifty billion dollars of Chinese goods
imposed by his predecessor on Trump. Hmm, it mightn't that
(23:04):
interesting thing they agreed on Buck, It might, I mean legitimately.
And initially they all said this was unacceptable, it was
going to destroy the economy. Biden comes into office, he
left them all in place. So I just think that
speaks volumes about this. And also you notice how people
that were saying, oh, why is he tearing up NAFTA
with the US Mexico Canada agreement because the Mexico Canada
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agreements better. He was right all the people that were saying,
why is he messing with NAFTA? NAFTA was old, NAFTA
needed to be updated. There were problems with NAFTA, and
he did.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
So. Do you hear anyone saying we need to get
rid of US Mexico Canada now? No, of course not.
Did Biden try to do that? No, of course not right.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
So there's a track record here, Clay that I don't
think anybody should ignore if they want to have any
sense as to what's possible here and what the likely
outcomes could be. You know, in retrospect, a guy who
probably deserves a lot more credit that doesn't get it
ross Pero because one of his top for those of
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you who remember one of those, you're going to say
you can and there's a lot of people we get
thrown in the mix, but go ahead. But I mean,
I think ross Perrot one of his top issues was
he said that NAFTA was going to be a net
negative for American middle class jobs. And I think that
much of the argument that he made has in many
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ways been proved to be prescient. In other words, he's
been proven to be right. And people forget how many
voters he got. Back in nineteen ninety two, as all
of this NAFTA free trade discussion was beginning, there were
a lot of people kind of tiptoeing into it, not
really understanding what we were headed for. And there is
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an element, I know, it's whatever forty years later, basically,
but there is a strong element of Trump trade policy
that is evoking and echoing the arguments that ross Perout
was making as long ago as ninety two. And to
your point, Buck, there are many people who made them.
But I just remember Ross Perou in particular, getting savaged
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over these arguments that he was making, and I bet
Trump agreed with a lot of them back in the day.
Because Trump's on record talking about this back in the
eighties with Oprah Winfrey, I mean that some of that
footage has come out of him. The one thing he's
been consistent on is the fact that I was getting
our once. I don't think you can find other than
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liking pretty ladies. I don't think you can find anything
that Donald Trump has been more consistent on in public
life period than tariffs and China.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
I don't know what else.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
You know, maybe deal making is important, you know, but
there's nothing on a policy level that you can point
to where he's been as consistent as long as he
has on this issue. And I think that for all
the reason we've laid out, we should see where he's
able to take this.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
Here we go.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
Vip Robert wrote, this didn't play on Trump China pull
line from the movie Roadhouse, be nice until it's time
not to be nice. I think that, first of all,
great great reference Roadhouse one of the most watchable absurd
movies ever made. Uh being remade it and now they're
making The Roadhouse too, right, you watched I never saw
(26:22):
the remake, No, I bet, I don't even have to.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
It had like the little Irish m m A guy
in it.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
What's his name? Not the new one Patty? Yeah, Connor McGregor. No, no, no,
I don't know. If I want to be on record
with Buck is saying that Connor McGregor is a little
Irish guy.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
I'm not that's fair.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
I'm not saying he can't and he can't kick again,
he's not an actor. I'm gonna be having to get
us somewhere and there's gonna be a tap on my
shoulder and that little Irish guy is gonna be there
kicking my ass and I'm gonna be like, no, it
was back who said it. I didn't have anything to
do with it. And Jake gillanall is the bet is
playing the lead role. Right, Yeah, it's said in the
it is a It is a Patrick Swayzee classic. For
(27:04):
those of you who have not seen it, it is
absolutely absurd. Like the whole movie. He lives across the
lake from the main bad guy. He's like somehow knows karate.
He went to NYU like none adds. The movie makes
absolutely he he goes, he gets stabbed in a knife fight,
and the nurse who's tending to him is like a
(27:26):
sports illustrated swimsuit model.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
Who lives in this gorgeous.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
Who lives in this small town and then wants to
go roll around with this guy and like the actual
barn that he lives in. I'm just look, not all
heroes wear capes. It was pretty amazing that he was
able to pull this off in the movie. But yes,
it is very, very a Sam Elliott by the way,
some great Sam Elliot stuff.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
What does he keep? Does he call him Kimosabe or
what's his u?
Speaker 1 (27:52):
Me?
Speaker 2 (27:53):
Miho? He calls a miho in the movie? Is there
a bet? This is a fun debate?
Speaker 1 (27:58):
Is there a better Night teen eighties era range of
actor range than Patrick Swayzee for wildly successful movies that
had nothing in common? Because if you think about just
off the top of my head, Ghost, Dirty Dancing, and Roadhouse,
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like the difference between Roadhouse and Ghost is or Roadhouse
and I guess point Break is nineties. But point Break
would be another great one to add. And then some
of you are going to remember this and this is
the history nerd in me. He also played a Civil
War soldier or this is I don't know how many
of you ever gonna remember this Civil War? Civil War
(28:40):
Camp Clay. Yeah, this we just sat around to watch
this movie. And he played a Confederate general or E.
Maine from South Carolina. The range of Patrick Swayze excellence
to your point, if you was point break nineteen ninety,
it might have been just the very around them.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
But I mean, if you think about.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
Ghost, if you think of the Dirty Dancing Roadhouse, North
and South and Love and War, which was like this
television mini series epic based on the John Jakes novels
of the Civil War, and man, I may well have
super nerded myself out there. I don't know how many
of you read these in the eighties, but I did.
And the because of the mini series was so popular,
(29:25):
Patrick Swayze might have had the best acting career of
anyone range super successful movies in the nineteen eighties. I mean,
like Arnold Schwarzenegger basically played Arnold Schwarzenegger, right, Sylvester Stallone
basically played Sylvester Stallone. I know there's some exceptions, like
Arnold Schwarzenegger was in Twins with Danny DeVito, where he
(29:45):
was funny kindergarten cop.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
It's not the Tuma, it's one of his. There are
a few expo.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
Oh, Michael Barry, our buddy down in Houston, just texted
me Red Dawn. I mean remember how good he was
and read Dawn Rye in the nineteen eighties, and as
part of I.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
Mean, I just want to say, well played, mister Berry.
Well played.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
He's got a great show in Houston for those of
you that are listening to us right now.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
But I mean, think about it.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
Is he this is this maybe the most aggressive crazy
argument I've made. Is Patrick Swayzee the most underrated nineteen
eighties movie actor of all time? I don't know if
he could. I don't think he's underrated enough. I don't
think he's underrated. I think that he well, he passed
away of cancer sadly some years ago, but I just
think that he didn't He didn't stay as big for
(30:32):
like long. But I think that he was. I think
in the eighties he was a true leading man and
was getting his dude.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
Look at the movie?
Speaker 1 (30:40):
Was he the best nineteen eighties actor? If you can
sell now you're getting Now you're getting creat Now you're.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
Calling range on range.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
I think there's a sway there's an under disrespected under
the radar argument for Patrick Swayzey's excellent. That is a
generation you Gen X people, Paccino and de Niro way
too much. So that's always, uh, that always comes up
in this I've never been Robert de Niro plays the
same character in every same thing and everything the same,
(31:11):
you know, Italian Mafia, Like, yes, the whole the whole thing.
I've never I think that I would put them in
the really overrated category actually of actors. Yeah, that's that's
a hot take for you. Some of the people in
the Northeast. We got a lot of New Jersey New
York listeners. I'm not gonna like that one, but I'm
just telling you, Okay, yeah, Goodfellas is very watchable, but like,
(31:32):
let's calm down, it's not as great as Everybody protects.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
Michael Berry is still firing, by the way, the Outsiders.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
All nineteen eighties. I'm I'm gonna maybe have to die
on this hill. But I think Harris Harrison Ford was big,
was huge in the eighties. Indiana Jones, right, So you'd
You're you're saying best actorating range range like he's Indiana.
Basically Harrison Ford is Indiana Jones or Han Solo in
those movies across the board, right the range of Dirty
(32:00):
Dancing to Roadhouse to Red Dawn. Is there better nineteen
eighties performance than Patrick Swayzee.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
I'm not sure. I'm not sure we can beat him,
and I actually don't. I don't.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
I would, I would love to disagree with you, but
I actually can't come up with anything on the fly
here to refute your argument, which makes me think that
it's not as crazy as my initial I mean, like
Michael Jay Fox was great, and I'm going to talk
about testosterone here in a minute, but Michael J. Fox
also wasn't taking over you know, like a country right
in a in a in a or a bar or what.
(32:32):
It wasn't like an action hero. And you know Patrick
Swayze in the eighties, you know what, I bet he
had buck unbelievable levels of testosterone. I bet his testosterone
levels were through the roof. You can't make pottery like
that in Ghost and then also simultaneously simultaneously beat everybody's
ass in Roadhouse without incredible levels of testosterone. He's a
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Welcome back in Play Travis Buck Sexton Show. This is
not gonna surprise you, but we are deluged. Michael Barry says,
I didn't know this. He's evidently a fount of Patrick
Swayze knowledge, our Houston lead in phenomenal talent down there.
Patrick Swayzee legend in Houston. Mom ran a famous dance
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studio for decades. He came up through the dance studio
family known by everybody. Michael Berry unexpected savant when it
comes to Patrick Swayze knowledge and a lot of you
firing away. But Buck, you have you have someone that
you think is a more successful range actor from the
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nineteen eighties that you thought about during And I don't
even know the answer here yet. I think we have
to bring Tom Hanks into the conversation here. I think
we have to bring Tom Hanks in. You're talking Splash,
big Turner and Hooch dragnet. You know, you get a
hole and then he gets into like Philadelphia Forrest Gum.
(35:19):
Now that's early, that's the nineties.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
I knew.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
I would argue you probably made a good case for
Tom Hanks in the nineties to be the actor with
no But all those movies I named were eighties, so
that's Turner and Hooch, Dragnet Splash. He was a little
more of a kind of romantic lead comedy guy in
the eighties and then very much transitioned into like leading
man serious roles. To be fair, the transition really occurs
(35:45):
right around nineteen nineties, so your premise still holds, which
I'm bitter having to say that, But yes, was big
nineteen eighties. Yes, Tom Hanks big. That was By the way,
you want to talk about a movie that is super creepy,
super creepy in recrospect ten year old boy sleeping with
you know, like, I'm not sure that movie holds up
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really well as you get to be an adult.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
It's great when you're tied when you.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
Watch it and you're like, oh, we got we got
some VIPs real quick. Here Tom Cruise, and my friend
Garrett just texted, he's listening. He said, Tom Cruise, I
don't know if Tom Cruise has range. I think He's
probably the biggest leading man of all time. Him and
Harrison Ford probably neck and neck. Also, vip Rick writes
harrison Ford much greater range, witness, Working.
Speaker 2 (36:34):
Girl, so many more.
Speaker 1 (36:35):
Maybe true, although I feel like Harrison Ford always just
plays Harrison Ford.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
I don't know. I agree.
Speaker 1 (36:39):
I think Harrison Ford's always Harrison Ford, and again Tom
Cruise always Tom Cruise. I think my argument's right here.
I think Patrick Swayzee is the actor with the greatest
range of the nineteen eighties.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
You can argue otherwise and be wrong.
Welcome in third hour of Clay and Buck kicks off
right now, and appreciate you being with us.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Everybody.
Speaker 1 (00:07):
Let's dive into where we stand on the teriff issue.
Things looking okay today in the markets, but I'm not
gonna do this thing where good day, bad day. We're
gonna chase it all. And this is about the macro picture.
This is the thirty thousand foot view of not just
the manufacturing and the employment picture and the stock market,
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but also the future of our country, our competitiveness on
the world stage in America. First economic model that allows
us to thrive, yes, economically, but also from a national
security perspective. We were just talking to Interior secretary, a
great interview, by the way, I highly recommend you go
(00:51):
and listen if you missed it, if you're joining us
now in progress with Doug Bergram, Interior secretary who Clay
had breakfast with this morning. And I gotta say, impressive guy.
And I thought so to be fair, even during the debates,
I said, no, this guy's this guy's got something. Clearly
Trump thought so too, right. He ran for president and
made enough of an impression that Trump has now given
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him what is an important role Interior Secretary doesn't get
the same kind of press as I think it's always
Treasury and Secretary of State for the cabinet positions, just
the media rights about those, you know, people care a
lot about their money, and they care about foreign policy
and wars and stuff like that, and Secretary Defense.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Those are probably the big three.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
But Interior Secretary has a very important portfolio, especially given
the dual the dual track clay that Trump is pursuing
with Burgham and the people in doge of efficiency and
making everything work better that the government should be doing
and should not be doing part of that, and then
(01:56):
also going after our resources more aggressively and not allowing
these lunatic left wing environmentalist wackos to do things like
shut down the Keystone XL pipeline, which was just cutting
off your nose despite your face. It makes no sense totally.
And I had not met Doug Bergham other than to
(02:17):
shake hands with him. I was at the Ohio State
and Penn State game. We were campaigning for Dave McCormick,
and that was a really fun event. Shook hands with him.
We had an awesome breakfast this morning. It was great
to be able to spend some time with him. Remember
he was one of the final three I think buck
in the VP sweepstakes.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
If I remember correctly.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
It was JD. There were rumors that it was going
to be him. There were rumors that he was gonna
be the VP. It was him, It was this according
to reports, him, JD and I believe Glenn Youngkin were
potentially the final three that Trump was reportedly considering, and
JD got the pick and he's been great. But meeting
(03:00):
with Doug Bergham, I think we probably have under discussed
I mean you, me and the larger media outlets. Trump
has put together a really phenomenal cabinet. I mean across
the board. When you look and compare Trump two point
zero to Trump one point oh, the amount of brain
(03:22):
power that he has brought to bear in this cabinet
and incredibly accomplished people who have done things outside of government.
You know, Doug Bargam built a really great company that
Microsoft bought in North Dakota. I don't know how many
Dakota tech companies have been created that are worth billions
of dollars, but he built one. And I think he's
(03:43):
taught this story publicly, But anybody out there who started
small business. There have probably been times where you have been,
maybe for years, lying awake in your bed, like, man,
I don't know if we're gonna make payroll. I'm not
sure how well this company is going to go. I mean,
starting a small business is not something that often leads
to a lot of rest and relaxation. It's a battle.
(04:05):
And he talked about except for seven years, he wasn't
really sure how well the company was going to work,
and he's fighting tooth and nail. He mortgaged his family
farm one hundred and forty acres to start that company,
and he's like, I'm going to legitimately lose the family
farm over this business. And I want people and you
and I have talked about this who have had some
(04:25):
success in life who decide to give back to the
government to a large extent instead of a lot of
these Joe Biden figures who just worked their whole life
in the government. Well, this is a whole lot and
I think it's even worse claive than working their whole
life in the government. They work for bureaucracies, whether it's
the government or some think tank or that it's like
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they're paid they're bought and paid for by somebody else
who actually has to create things and make money, right,
So I think the other thing is there. It was
not long ago. I remember in the early days of
the Tea Party the notion of.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Adding a.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
Slew of high level executives from the private sector to
take really important jobs in government.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
That was a pipe dream.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
You know, you go back to the Bush era and yeah,
I know you can say that. Well, you know, Cheney
had a private sector background. In Rumsfeld, it was like
military industrial complex stuff. I'm talking about what Clay is
talking about, which is builds a company, has the vision,
takes the risk, understands how to make this work. And
you have this with a whole range of people who
(05:34):
work with Obviously Elon Musk's probably the best known and
the most visible right now, even though he's a special
government employee. But you have it with Doug Berg, and
you have it with you know, Scott bess End, who
was very high level, a hedge fun guy. I mean,
these are people who have this is really a thing, Clay.
Have you had to make decisions where right or wrong matters,
(05:56):
and if you're wrong there are consequences. Have you You've
gone through your entire adult life working at places where
whether you showed up or not, it didn't matter where
whether you showed up or not, the check would be
there waiting for you because somehow the money usually from
a taxpayer, but you know, comes from somewhere else, an
endowment at a university, a foundation set up by some
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rich family fifty years ago, and no one even knows
where the money is still going these days, you know,
or I mean, you did this, We're doing this now
with Crockett. Do you just pull some assets together, hire
some people, and tighten up your bootstraps, hope for the best,
and try to build something. And that is that is
a mentality, a skill set, and a discipline that is
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now brought to bear with Trump and his team.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
And this was this is not the case before.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
I mean, you know, even some of our favorites, I
mean you go back and look at some very popular
Republican politicians and presidents did not have the private sect,
certainly the private sector cabinet that we see for us
right now in terms.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Of how how impressive they are.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
I mean, yeah, they've had people from Goldman Sachs working
in the government before, probably too many of them, but
there have been a lot of very impressive people. Okay,
so let's get into these tariffs here for second, Clay,
this is Trump. First of all, it's funny. I saw
somebody asked me last night I did, Uh. You know
Leland Vidderd, who used to be at Fox. He now
is a show and he's a friend, so I occasionally
will pop up on a show or news nation.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
Uh, he says, you know.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
So what do you think about Trump saying we're going
to be nice to China? And he actually got me
for a seconds. I was like, wait, what Trump just
said we're going to be nice? Yeah, he did apparently
said we're gonna be nice to China. That's today, it
could change tomorrow. Here's Trump on the trade deals. China's
of course front and center on this play cut four.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
They all want to be involved with America, and we
have a lot of action going on.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
We have.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
We're making a lot of money this country. This country
is not going to be losing money on trade anymore.
Funny thing, we were losing two trillion.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
Dollars a year on trade.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
Now we're going to be making money, a lot of money.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
So that's very good.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
Every country wants to partake even countries that have this
years China as an example, but it's not just China.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
European Union.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
They ripped us off for many, many years, and those
days are over. We're gonna make a lot of money
for our people. We'll be able to lower taxes substantially,
and we're going to be proud of ourselves. They're not
going to be a laughing stock taken advantage of by
virtually every country in the world.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
Clay, I'll get to the China pieces of a second.
How do you think this is going so far for Trump? Look,
I think Trump, as we come up on one hundred days,
has had one of the most incredible hundred days that
we've ever seen.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
I mean that honestly.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
He has delivered on exactly what he said he was
going to go after he shut down the border, which
we were told was impossible. I mean that is in
a plus plus plus plus plus plus. I mean, Tom Homan,
what they have done. This is exactly what we voted for.
I think on trade, it's going to be a battle,
and this is one that is not going to be
decided anytime soon. So I think you know you have
(08:59):
to give him. I don't know a B A B
minus if you want to say, because understandably it's going
to take a while. So that was one that couldn't
be resolved rapidly. And then I think overall on the budget,
I think he's done pretty well. I mean Elon Musk
or the work that he has done, we should mention.
Yesterday Elon said on the Tesla call that he's likely
(09:21):
going to be spending less and less time in the government.
We told you this was going to happen, and we
predicted I think on this program that sometime around May
that all of the obligations Elon Musk has in the
larger world we're going to begin to impinge upon him.
That has happened. He says he's going to spend more
time with his companies, and so I think this battle
(09:43):
with the tariffs and the trade wars is such a
hard fight. You mentioned politicians and what their backgrounds are.
Starting a small business is hard. A lot of people
run from doing hard things, and I think that many
politicians try to avoid addressing things that are hard battles
(10:07):
to win because they're not really concerned with making the
country better. They're concerned with making sure that they always
get re elected, and sometimes if you try to do
hard things, people can start to blame you for the
consequences of taking on hard battles. Look, I think this
has happened with entitlements. Why do we have entitlements spending
(10:27):
rapidly eclipsing the entirety of our federal budget because a
lot of politicians won't be honest with people about the
cost of health care and the cost of Social Security
and how that is gobbling up increasingly more and more
of our budgets because that's not an issue that gets
easily resolved, and if it does get resolved, it might
cost you your job. And so a lot of politicians
(10:49):
aren't concerned with doing what's right. They're concerned with what
gets them elected. And I kind of think about it
from an analogistic perspective. Buck if you talk to people
who run companies, they will say one of the toughest
things about running a company is having to have quarterly
results public companies, because when you have to meet quarterly expectations,
(11:12):
sometimes you don't do what's in the best interest of
the company for a decade. You do what's in the
best interest of the company for two months. Those can
become conflicting ideals, and that's why some people say, Hey,
I don't want to take my company public because I
want to be able to run it in the best
manner possible. But that might mean that we don't meet
earnings in quarter one, but by quarter one two years
(11:32):
from now, we're far better than we would have been
if we had been trying to make sure we met
short term success. But we sacrifice a long term success
for short term success. And I think what Trump's trying
to do here is set up long term success, even
if that potentially means in the short term. The metrics
(11:53):
of success are not necessarily met in a traditional political environment.
And this is why I think Bucky would like to
be able to run for reelection, because I think he's
thinking longer term and he knows that it's hard to
get a lot done in four years, and the older
I get, the shorter four years seems. Because man, I'll
tell you I didn't enjoy the Biden administration. But there
are lots of times when you're young where a presidential
(12:16):
term of four years seems like it takes forever. High
school seems like it took forever. College can seem like
it takes forever. I turn around now and I'm like,
that was eight years ago. That seems like, you know,
two years ago, right, And I know some of you
out there older than me, and you're like, you know,
listen here, whipper snapper. It only gets worse. But I
think that's part what Trump is grappling with, if that
makes sense. Absolutely now here. He is grappling with getting
(12:38):
a deal done. This is cut five, getting a deal
done with China.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
My relationship with President she is great. It was, It's
been great for a long time. We've had a very
good relationship.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
And I think we'll make a deal with China. We're
going to be very nice.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
They're going to be very nice, and we'll see what happens.
But ultimately they have to make a deal because otherwise
they're not going to be able to deal in the
United States.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
You know, it's very Trump. We're gonna be very nice.
Well what does that mean with with Trump?
Speaker 1 (13:10):
That leads a lot of open territory, nice like polite
and funny, but then gonna demand that China plays ball
or else. I mean, I I think that Look, he
loves he lives for this stuff. Honestly, he lives for
sitting down across the table from the second most powerful
world leader in the world, which is what chesenping is.
It's not Vladimir Putin, it is Jesion ping no question
(13:33):
and saying, you know, hey, buddy, what do you got?
Speaker 2 (13:36):
What cards? What cards do you think you hold? Right now?
Let's see he loves to negotiate. We'll talk about this.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
By the way, screaming match in the Oval Office buck
between Elon Musk and Treasury Secretary Scott Bessant, according to Axios,
we'll talk about that guy's got chess to chess uh
and we're letting each other have it. So we'll give
you the latest on that. Some drama inside of the
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play Travis Buck Sexton Show appreciate all of you hanging
out with us. I tease this just breaking about twenty
minutes ago from Axios Musk versus besent Doge. Obviously Elon
(16:01):
Musk Bessen is the Treasury Secretary. They got into a
West Wing shouting match over the irs head, according to
two witnesses three sources quote it was two billionaire middle
aged men thinking it was wwe in the hall of.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
The West Wing.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
The clash with both men and each other's faces yelling
at each other over the irs head. Asked about the
shouting match, White House Press Secretary Caroline Levitt referred to
comments she made to The Times about how, quote, it's
(16:44):
no secret President Trump has put together a team of
people who are incredibly passionate about the issues impacting our country.
Disagreements are a normal part of any healthy policy process.
Ultimately everyone knows they so at the pleasure of President Trump.
I think buck that Elon is beginning to finally get
(17:07):
as we said, he likely would super frustrated at not
being able to get government to move as fast as
he wants it to be moved. As we know he
has done at Tesla, at SpaceX, at XAI, at Twitter.
He wants to move fast and break things, and it's
hard to do that at government, very hard to do
(17:30):
that in government. I've thought this all along. I've told
you guys, you know, this dose thing is going to
be tough.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
They're doing. I love what they're doing, but they're trying to.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
It's like a guy in a tugboat trying to move
the Empire of the seas or whatever. That giant cruise
ship is that I see parking in mind. What's the
It's called something like that. It's like the biggest ship
in the world. I forget the name. I drive past it.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
All right.
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Speaker 4 (18:54):
I spoke to the President about it this morning. He
is not going to give up on ensuring that there
are fair trade practices around the world. He is not
giving up on the fact that China has been ripping
off the United States of America for far too long.
And President Trump has brought hundreds of countries now from
around the world to the negotiating table. We have eighteen
proposals on paper from nations around the world who recognize
(19:17):
that they have in fact been ripping off the United States.
And there's a president in the Oval Office right now
who is no longer going to tolerate it. So this
is the art of the deal. President Trump is using
the leverage of the United States to bring nations to
the negotiating table that includes China, who he remains very
optimistic there will be a fair trade deal with China
that finally puts American workers and American industry first.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
Yep art of the deal, Trump's doing his thing as
we knew that he would all along. No one's going
to tell him not to. He is the Trumpster, and
he will be judged by his results on this one,
and he knows that, and he also I think deserve
you know a lot of things play what I've said. Look,
he's been right on so many things where even and
(20:00):
a lot of Republicans were saying, oh, no, you can't
do that.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
His whole political story is being right.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
When everyone says you can't do that, or pushing through
whatever and says it's impossible.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
But on China specifically, he's the.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
Only one who's doing anything, or rather he's the only
one who's been in a position to do anything who's
been willing to look at this issue.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
You speak to anybody, and.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
I mean I saw mister wonderful Kevin O'Leary was on
TV recently talking about how and I've heard this from
other people. I was in I was in China for
a business conference in twenty nineteen and it's very very interesting,
very eerie thing. I don't know how many of you
have been to China. Some of you have probably been
missionaries there or something and have been there for twenty
years and speak Mandarin. But and I say that not kidding.
(20:44):
I'm sure there are a few of you who that's
the case. But when you go there, it is like
you're on another planet in a lot of ways, just
because things that you cannot take certain things for granted
at all, and you're very mindful of who you're speaking
to and what you're saying, and what you're googling, or
rather not googling because you can't google, but you know
what you're doing on the Internet. And the theft of
(21:06):
intellectual property. I mean, think about this, Clay. You want
to do business in China. You run a company that
you know makes widgets, you know, the Crockett Widget Company.
We decide we're going to set up shop. Oh we
want access to China's market, Okay, cool, So we do
a joint venture with a Chinese company because the Chinese
government mandates it, and then we do this joint venture
with them, and then they set up shop down the
(21:29):
road with government backing, taking all the stuff that we've
brought with us, replicating it, starting a new company, shutting
down our joint venture, and we can't sue, We can't
do anything. It's see you later. That is standard operating
procedure in the People's Republic of China. That is what
goes on their clay. It's why companies don't want to
(21:51):
do business with them, and they get away with this
stuff all the time. I would point out that if
you question Trump's wisdom on tariffs in the way that
he responded to China, do you know that the only
thing Joe Biden didn't change when he took office John
Trump's tariffs on China, And it sort of has slipped
(22:11):
under the radar that that occurred. But think about all
the executive orders that Joe Biden put in place the
minute that he got to the oval office. One of
the most controversial things that Trump did, we were told,
was China trade policy and the tariffs that he implemented
to try to make Chinese trade policy farer with the
(22:33):
United States. So many people squawked in opposition. Biden got
in office, never changed him, kept him on.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
Biden.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
Here you go a little fun throwback here. January twenty
twenty two. President Biden's administration has left tariffs in place
on three hundred and fifty billion dollars of Chinese goods
imposed by his predecessor on Trump. Hmm, it mightn't that
(23:04):
interesting thing they agreed on Buck, It might, I mean legitimately.
And initially they all said this was unacceptable, it was
going to destroy the economy. Biden comes into office, he
left them all in place. So I just think that
speaks volumes about this. And also you notice how people
that were saying, oh, why is he tearing up NAFTA
with the US Mexico Canada agreement because the Mexico Canada
(23:26):
agreements better. He was right all the people that were saying,
why is he messing with NAFTA? NAFTA was old, NAFTA
needed to be updated. There were problems with NAFTA, and
he did.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
So. Do you hear anyone saying we need to get
rid of US Mexico Canada now? No, of course not.
Did Biden try to do that? No, of course not right.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
So there's a track record here, Clay that I don't
think anybody should ignore if they want to have any
sense as to what's possible here and what the likely
outcomes could be. You know, in retrospect, a guy who
probably deserves a lot more credit that doesn't get it
ross Pero because one of his top for those of
(24:04):
you who remember one of those, you're going to say
you can and there's a lot of people we get
thrown in the mix, but go ahead. But I mean,
I think ross Perrot one of his top issues was
he said that NAFTA was going to be a net
negative for American middle class jobs. And I think that
much of the argument that he made has in many
(24:27):
ways been proved to be prescient. In other words, he's
been proven to be right. And people forget how many
voters he got. Back in nineteen ninety two, as all
of this NAFTA free trade discussion was beginning, there were
a lot of people kind of tiptoeing into it, not
really understanding what we were headed for. And there is
(24:48):
an element, I know, it's whatever forty years later, basically,
but there is a strong element of Trump trade policy
that is evoking and echoing the arguments that ross Perout
was making as long ago as ninety two. And to
your point, Buck, there are many people who made them.
But I just remember Ross Perou in particular, getting savaged
(25:11):
over these arguments that he was making, and I bet
Trump agreed with a lot of them back in the day.
Because Trump's on record talking about this back in the
eighties with Oprah Winfrey, I mean that some of that
footage has come out of him. The one thing he's
been consistent on is the fact that I was getting
our once. I don't think you can find other than
(25:31):
liking pretty ladies. I don't think you can find anything
that Donald Trump has been more consistent on in public
life period than tariffs and China.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
I don't know what else.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
You know, maybe deal making is important, you know, but
there's nothing on a policy level that you can point
to where he's been as consistent as long as he
has on this issue. And I think that for all
the reason we've laid out, we should see where he's
able to take this.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
Here we go.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
Vip Robert wrote, this didn't play on Trump China pull
line from the movie Roadhouse, be nice until it's time
not to be nice. I think that, first of all,
great great reference Roadhouse one of the most watchable absurd
movies ever made. Uh being remade it and now they're
making The Roadhouse too, right, you watched I never saw
(26:22):
the remake, No, I bet, I don't even have to.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
It had like the little Irish m m A guy
in it.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
What's his name? Not the new one Patty? Yeah, Connor McGregor. No, no, no,
I don't know. If I want to be on record
with Buck is saying that Connor McGregor is a little
Irish guy.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
I'm not that's fair.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
I'm not saying he can't and he can't kick again,
he's not an actor. I'm gonna be having to get
us somewhere and there's gonna be a tap on my
shoulder and that little Irish guy is gonna be there
kicking my ass and I'm gonna be like, no, it
was back who said it. I didn't have anything to
do with it. And Jake gillanall is the bet is
playing the lead role. Right, Yeah, it's said in the
it is a It is a Patrick Swayzee classic. For
(27:04):
those of you who have not seen it, it is
absolutely absurd. Like the whole movie. He lives across the
lake from the main bad guy. He's like somehow knows karate.
He went to NYU like none adds. The movie makes
absolutely he he goes, he gets stabbed in a knife fight,
and the nurse who's tending to him is like a
(27:26):
sports illustrated swimsuit model.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
Who lives in this gorgeous.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
Who lives in this small town and then wants to
go roll around with this guy and like the actual
barn that he lives in. I'm just look, not all
heroes wear capes. It was pretty amazing that he was
able to pull this off in the movie. But yes,
it is very, very a Sam Elliott by the way,
some great Sam Elliot stuff.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
What does he keep? Does he call him Kimosabe or
what's his u?
Speaker 1 (27:52):
Me?
Speaker 2 (27:53):
Miho? He calls a miho in the movie? Is there
a bet? This is a fun debate?
Speaker 1 (27:58):
Is there a better Night teen eighties era range of
actor range than Patrick Swayzee for wildly successful movies that
had nothing in common? Because if you think about just
off the top of my head, Ghost, Dirty Dancing, and Roadhouse,
(28:18):
like the difference between Roadhouse and Ghost is or Roadhouse
and I guess point Break is nineties. But point Break
would be another great one to add. And then some
of you are going to remember this and this is
the history nerd in me. He also played a Civil
War soldier or this is I don't know how many
of you ever gonna remember this Civil War? Civil War
(28:40):
Camp Clay. Yeah, this we just sat around to watch
this movie. And he played a Confederate general or E.
Maine from South Carolina. The range of Patrick Swayze excellence
to your point, if you was point break nineteen ninety,
it might have been just the very around them.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
But I mean, if you think about.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
Ghost, if you think of the Dirty Dancing Roadhouse, North
and South and Love and War, which was like this
television mini series epic based on the John Jakes novels
of the Civil War, and man, I may well have
super nerded myself out there. I don't know how many
of you read these in the eighties, but I did.
And the because of the mini series was so popular,
(29:25):
Patrick Swayze might have had the best acting career of
anyone range super successful movies in the nineteen eighties. I mean,
like Arnold Schwarzenegger basically played Arnold Schwarzenegger, right, Sylvester Stallone
basically played Sylvester Stallone. I know there's some exceptions, like
Arnold Schwarzenegger was in Twins with Danny DeVito, where he
(29:45):
was funny kindergarten cop.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
It's not the Tuma, it's one of his. There are
a few expo.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
Oh, Michael Barry, our buddy down in Houston, just texted
me Red Dawn. I mean remember how good he was
and read Dawn Rye in the nineteen eighties, and as
part of I.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
Mean, I just want to say, well played, mister Berry.
Well played.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
He's got a great show in Houston for those of
you that are listening to us right now.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
But I mean, think about it.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
Is he this is this maybe the most aggressive crazy
argument I've made. Is Patrick Swayzee the most underrated nineteen
eighties movie actor of all time? I don't know if
he could. I don't think he's underrated enough. I don't
think he's underrated. I think that he well, he passed
away of cancer sadly some years ago, but I just
think that he didn't He didn't stay as big for
(30:32):
like long. But I think that he was. I think
in the eighties he was a true leading man and
was getting his dude.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
Look at the movie?
Speaker 1 (30:40):
Was he the best nineteen eighties actor? If you can
sell now you're getting Now you're getting creat Now you're.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
Calling range on range.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
I think there's a sway there's an under disrespected under
the radar argument for Patrick Swayzey's excellent. That is a
generation you Gen X people, Paccino and de Niro way
too much. So that's always, uh, that always comes up
in this I've never been Robert de Niro plays the
same character in every same thing and everything the same,
(31:11):
you know, Italian Mafia, Like, yes, the whole the whole thing.
I've never I think that I would put them in
the really overrated category actually of actors. Yeah, that's that's
a hot take for you. Some of the people in
the Northeast. We got a lot of New Jersey New
York listeners. I'm not gonna like that one, but I'm
just telling you, Okay, yeah, Goodfellas is very watchable, but like,
(31:32):
let's calm down, it's not as great as Everybody protects.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
Michael Berry is still firing, by the way, the Outsiders.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
All nineteen eighties. I'm I'm gonna maybe have to die
on this hill. But I think Harris Harrison Ford was big,
was huge in the eighties. Indiana Jones, right, So you'd
You're you're saying best actorating range range like he's Indiana.
Basically Harrison Ford is Indiana Jones or Han Solo in
those movies across the board, right the range of Dirty
(32:00):
Dancing to Roadhouse to Red Dawn. Is there better nineteen
eighties performance than Patrick Swayzee.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
I'm not sure. I'm not sure we can beat him,
and I actually don't. I don't.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
I would, I would love to disagree with you, but
I actually can't come up with anything on the fly
here to refute your argument, which makes me think that
it's not as crazy as my initial I mean, like
Michael Jay Fox was great, and I'm going to talk
about testosterone here in a minute, but Michael J. Fox
also wasn't taking over you know, like a country right
in a in a in a or a bar or what.
(32:32):
It wasn't like an action hero. And you know Patrick
Swayze in the eighties, you know what, I bet he
had buck unbelievable levels of testosterone. I bet his testosterone
levels were through the roof. You can't make pottery like
that in Ghost and then also simultaneously simultaneously beat everybody's
ass in Roadhouse without incredible levels of testosterone. He's a
(32:53):
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Welcome back in Play Travis Buck Sexton Show. This is
not gonna surprise you, but we are deluged. Michael Barry says,
I didn't know this. He's evidently a fount of Patrick
Swayze knowledge, our Houston lead in phenomenal talent down there.
Patrick Swayzee legend in Houston. Mom ran a famous dance
(34:38):
studio for decades. He came up through the dance studio
family known by everybody. Michael Berry unexpected savant when it
comes to Patrick Swayze knowledge and a lot of you
firing away. But Buck, you have you have someone that
you think is a more successful range actor from the
(34:58):
nineteen eighties that you thought about during And I don't
even know the answer here yet. I think we have
to bring Tom Hanks into the conversation here. I think
we have to bring Tom Hanks in. You're talking Splash,
big Turner and Hooch dragnet. You know, you get a
hole and then he gets into like Philadelphia Forrest Gum.
(35:19):
Now that's early, that's the nineties.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
I knew.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
I would argue you probably made a good case for
Tom Hanks in the nineties to be the actor with
no But all those movies I named were eighties, so
that's Turner and Hooch, Dragnet Splash. He was a little
more of a kind of romantic lead comedy guy in
the eighties and then very much transitioned into like leading
man serious roles. To be fair, the transition really occurs
(35:45):
right around nineteen nineties, so your premise still holds, which
I'm bitter having to say that, But yes, was big
nineteen eighties. Yes, Tom Hanks big. That was By the way,
you want to talk about a movie that is super creepy,
super creepy in recrospect ten year old boy sleeping with
you know, like, I'm not sure that movie holds up
(36:08):
really well as you get to be an adult.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
It's great when you're tied when you.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
Watch it and you're like, oh, we got we got
some VIPs real quick. Here Tom Cruise, and my friend
Garrett just texted, he's listening. He said, Tom Cruise, I
don't know if Tom Cruise has range. I think He's
probably the biggest leading man of all time. Him and
Harrison Ford probably neck and neck. Also, vip Rick writes
harrison Ford much greater range, witness, Working.
Speaker 2 (36:34):
Girl, so many more.
Speaker 1 (36:35):
Maybe true, although I feel like Harrison Ford always just
plays Harrison Ford.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
I don't know. I agree.
Speaker 1 (36:39):
I think Harrison Ford's always Harrison Ford, and again Tom
Cruise always Tom Cruise. I think my argument's right here.
I think Patrick Swayzee is the actor with the greatest
range of the nineteen eighties.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
You can argue otherwise and be wrong.
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