April 25, 2025 • 43 mins
In this episode, Tudor and Tim Murtaugh discuss the implications of the Biden pill penalty, a provision in the Inflation Reduction Act that negatively impacts the pharmaceutical industry and healthcare costs. They explore how this legislation discourages the development of cheaper, more effective medications, leading to increased healthcare costs and lost life years. The conversation also touches on the role of China in pharmaceutical development, the unintended consequences of legislation, and the importance of intellectual property laws in protecting creators. The Tudor Dixon Podcast is part of the CLay Travis & Buck Sexton Podcast Network. For more visit TudorDixonPodcast.com
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. We have my friend
Tim Murta with me today. He is the founder of
Line Drive Public Affairs and he was also a senior
advisor on the twenty twenty four Trump campaign and was
the communications director for Trump in twenty twenty.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Thank you so much for joining me.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
Good to see you again, Tutor. I am pleased as
it can be to be with you again. Thanks for
having me on.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Absolutely so, we have so much to get to.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
We were chatting a little bit about it before we
went on the air, and so I want to I
want to get into all of it. But you were
telling me about this Biden pill penalty. It's something that
I didn't even know was a problem out there. I
think most Americans probably don't realize this, but I think
we're kind of a little bit more aware of the
fact that we have issues with our pharmaceuticals. From the
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standpoint of we saw during twenty twenty suddenly everything's being
made in China.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
We can't get it here.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Now there's something new we should be worried about we
probably don't even know about. To explain a little bit
about the Biden pill penalty to us.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
This thanks very much for bringing this up. This is
something that was snuck into the Inflation Reduction Act, the
poorly named Inflation Reduction Act is as we all know,
it didn't do anything to reduce inflation, but it was
passed by Joe Biden and the Democrats. Not a single
Republican voted for it, and allegedly he was doing this
to try to do something about the cost of medicine,
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but it actually has the opposite effect. What the Biden
pill penalty does is it treats different categories of medicine differently.
You have one category of medicine, which are called large
molecule medicine, and think of these things as they have
to go to the doctor's office or the hospital to
get talking about IDs or injections or infusions. Those are
more inconvenient. Of course, you have to go to the
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hospital or doctor to get them, and they're far more expensive.
On the other side, you have a different category of
pills of medicine, which are called small molecules. Think of pills.
These are the medicines that people can take at home.
They're much more convenient. We know that people are more
likely to take in the medicine that they need if
it's convenient for them, if it's easy to get you
can get pills by mail, you can take them at home.
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They're much more convenient, and they're also cheaper. Pills on
average are seventy one percent cheaper than the biologic large
molecule forms. And that makes perfect sense to want to
have people take those kinds of medicines. But what did
the Biden pill penalty do. It drove people away from
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the cheaper, more convenient medicines. And what that means is
it drives up costs of the medicines themselves. It caused
drives up the cost to make them, It drives up
the costs for patients, and it drives up the cost
for the entire healthcare system. It discriminated against pills by
making it short by the government can come in and
set prices on pills earlier than they can for biologic
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So it is driving all of the research dollars away
from pills and towards these more expensive, more convenient, more inconvenient,
large molecule medicines. And the result is that since this
was introduced in twenty twenty one, seventy percent of the
research and development dollars for pill medicine has gone away.
It's either gone to the large molecule injection drugs, the
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IV drugs, or it's even left the pharmaceutical industry entirely.
It's on to AI or to the energy sector where
people are investing their money. It is if you were
talking about caring about the cost of medicine to people,
to consumers, to patients, and to the entire healthcare system.
The Biden pill penalty is about the dumbest thing you
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could ever have possibly conceived. But Biden and the Democrats
did it. Republicans can save it. However, President Trump signed
an executive order just the other day that addresses the
cost of prescription medication, and getting rid of the Biden
pill penalty is something that's in there. He directed the
Secretary of HHS to work for Congress to do this,
and Congress can do it. There's a piece of legislation
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called the Epic Act, which would get rid of the
Biden pill penalty. But the more likely way that it's
going to happen is through budget reconciliation, which is going
to be happening in Congress over the course of the
next number of weeks. So the Biden pill penalty. It's
completely backwards. It drives up the cost of medicine, It
drives up the cost of healthcare generally, and it forces
people away from pills, which again is seventy one percent
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cheaper than the alternative and the more inconvenient large molecule
injection IV form medicine that people have to go to
the hospital.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
Well, and I think right now we have a lot
of people who are very skeptical pharmaceutical companies. I think
after twenty twenty, we have the MAHA movement, we have
RFK who's come out and said he's going to take
a look at all this stuff. So I think when
you talk to some of these people, they're a little
bit concerned about, well, well do I even want drug
companies doing this research? But I think that what you're
pointing out is critical right now because you have a
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Health and Human Services Department the agency.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
That is going to be actually looking at this.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
And an FDA that is going to be looking at
the research in a different way than they had in
the past. We just had somebody on the podcast who
was saying, you know, the FDA, they were exposing some
of the stuff that they say Johnson and Johnson has done,
and they said that they had proof that the FDA
had actually worked with Johnson and Johnson, been paid by
Johnson and Johnson, and there was a collaboration there. Now
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you have an FDA that is not biased, that wants
to be involved in this research. If you have pharmaceutical
companies stepping out of that right now because there is
no competitive advantage or there is no financial advantage, and
they're putting money into a different type of medication, right now,
we have potential years of breakthroughs that will not be
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monitored by this MAHA movement.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
It's I think that's a double whammy.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
Yeah. And look, I think there and we're talking about
two different categories of drugs, right the large molecule versus
small molecules or pills, And there's pharmaceutical companies of course
in both of those camps. So if you're looking for
logic as to why Joe Biden and the Democrats did this,
I mean, I don't know if you're going to find it.
You'd have to ask if he can possibly answered this question,
why Joe, why did you do this? I mean, he
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probably doesn't enough, but it's kind of like the same
logic that they have where they try to force people
to drive electric vehicles and then force everyone to use
wind and solar panel which doesn't produce enough electricity to
charge the electric vehicle. If you're trying to find logic
in what they do and how they pick winners and losers,
you're not going to find it. But you're exactly right.
I mean, this really does all boil down to costs
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to the consumer. As I said, the pills are seventy
one percent cheaper than these other forms of medicine. And
the fact is the Biden pill penalty discourages the development
of generic drugs coming into the market. There is no
longer any incentive for a company to develop a generic
form of a drug to get into the market quickly,
to become the first one in there. The Biden pill
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penalty destroys that incentive. And as we know, take the
cholesterol drug Libatory, which is a great example. Everyone knows
about this. Because of generics in the cholesterol drug market,
you can get your cholesterol medicine for basically pennies a dose, right,
that's because of generics. Pill penalty actually actively discourages the
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entry of generics into the market. It is completely backwards
for a cost saving approach. If you care about the
price of prescription drugs. The Biden pill penalty is exactly
the opposite of what you would do because it discourages
the development of pill form medicine. And again we're talking
about mental health drugs, Alzheimer's drugs, cancer drugs. Hey, Joe
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Biden said, I'm going to be the president who cures cancer,
and then he does this and drives research and development
away from cancer drugs. It's ridiculous. And the University of
Chicago has done a study about this. I'm glad you
mentioned breakthroughs not happening. He ate different breakthroughs in medicine,
either new medicines that would cure certain ailments or new
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applications for existing medicines. Eighty eight discoveries or breakthroughs have
not occurred because of the Biden pill penalty and the
result of that, Again, according to the University of Chicago,
not's some you know, fly by night outfit. They're a
very renowned world university. One hundred and sixteen million life
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years have been lost off of the life expectancies of
Americans who are living today, one hundred and sixteen million.
So you know, is that a year off or two
off of your life, off of my life, all my
kid's life. You know, how do you calculate the value
of that. But the real cost of this is not
only in the health because people are not going to
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be able to use the pills at home that are convenient.
They'll end up in the hospital because they're not taking
care of ailments on the front end, and then they'll
get more serious down the road. But again, pills are
seventy one percent cheaper than the ones that you have
to go to the hospital for. And Joe Biden is
driving people still He's no longer president, and he's still
having this effect, driving people to the more inconvenient, more
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extensive drugs that you have to go to the hospital for.
The Biden pill penalty. It has got to go. Congress
can do it, and it's good that Trump President Trump
is on board with this.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Well, so you mentioned that you think Joe Biden probably
had no idea that this was going in there, and
I suspect that he doesn't really understand. But Okay, there's
a few things then that we have to talk about.
We have to be aware of who we are electing
and how well they know the issues, because you saw
this when Kamala Harris went out and she was interviewed.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
She didn't know the issues.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
That was people say, oh, podcasts for the reason that
Donald Trump got elected, But it wasn't just that he
went on podcasts. It was that he was able to
actually coherently speak on podcasts and understand all the issues.
You need to look at your candidates and understand do
they understand do they know the issues? And then there's
the other side of this, that is, are some of
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these militias or is this just irresponsible? Because I think
so often I see legislators and people in government who
want to push something through but they haven't game planned
out all of the different effects. So is it malicious
or is it irresponsible legislation that they didn't go?
Speaker 2 (10:05):
Man, you know what? This is really going to screw
up the whole industry?
Speaker 3 (10:08):
Well, I mean, it's kind of anyone's guess. And I
have some theories as to why stuff like this happens,
especially with something this monstrosity, the Inflation Reduction Act. First
is first thing. The liberals, the left and you know this,
they are the kings of mislabeling things, describing things describing
pieces of legislation as exactly what they are not.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
You know, the I know what you said, it was
a terrible name, the Inflation Reduction Act. I'm like, actually,
great name, because it was very deceitful.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
Yes, I mean, that's that's exactly what they do. And
you know, they're every single Democrat in Congress who voted
for this thing. And again I would point out that
no Republicans voted for it, and I would hazard a
guess that as Joe Biden or the Auto Pen or
whoever it was who signed the legislation after the pass Congres,
there's no way he knew everything that was in it,
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you know. And you tell members of Congress, hey, we've
got this thing. It's called the Inflation Reduction Act, right,
They're like, oh, yes, who could vote against that if
you're a Democrat, especially since Joe Biden was the one
pushing it, and Republicans were saying, you know, this is
a bad idea, We're all going to vote against this.
They just they misnamed things. I'm not sure that this
is all written by staff. There is no chance that
members of Congress actually who voted for it actually read
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the whole thing. There's no chance. And I'll tell you.
I'll tell you who does know what's in it. China.
China knows what's in the Reduction Inflation Reduction Act because
they have taken advantage of the Biden pill penalty that's
in there. And China has since twenty twenty one, has
by leaps and bounds, ramped up its research and investment
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in pill form medicine. They are now trying to catch
up to the United States and are almost there. They
are putting every dollar they can in developing new pill
form medicine in China because it's a way for them
to keep their people, their workforce healthy and with longer
life spans than their competitors on the other side of
the world, the United States of America. China knows an
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opening when they see it, and you better believe China
reads the legislation that the people on the left passed
through here and it is doing this is an example
of wrong headed legislation where it actually, you know, Congress,
this is what Congress has the ability to do. They
can either encourage certain behaviors or discourage certain behaviors. The
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Biden pill penalty discourages investment in cheaper, more effective, more
convenient medicines, and it encourages money to go to the
more expensive, more inconvenient sort of medicines of last resort
that you have to take at the hospital. So I
don't know if that's by design, but that's the effect.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
Too often, there's unintended consequences with this legislation, and I
see it in Michigan. I mean, you talked about the
energy and these mandates that we have, that the electric
car mandates and then the energy mandates that these leftists
put in. Look at Michigan, it's a great example. We've
got these we have to be what totally one hundred
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percent renewable energy, how ridiculous, impossible by twenty thirty five,
and they want electric car mandates. So then what happens
the unintended consequences of that is manufacturers say this is
a this environment is volatile. I don't know that I
can actually have the lights on. I don't know that
my machines will always be working. If they're going to
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do this with energy, I've got to leave the state.
We've had massive businesses leave the state. This unintended consequence
is very severe, and it's very radical, and happens quickly.
I mean, this this situation with China, suddenly we're even
more reliant on China.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
That would be a terrible situation.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
And we are at the standoff right now with them
with the tariffs, and it's it's an interesting scenario because
they're very reliant on us, of course, because we're buying
most of their product. I mean, I think it's like
five hundred and sixty five billion dollars that were oft
we're bringing in every year from China. It's very, very significant,
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and they're only taking in about three hundred billion from US.
So we are buying a lot from them. But if
we put this in their lap, this is our health,
how do you trust that?
Speaker 3 (14:16):
No? I mean, you're you're exactly right. This the Biden
pill penalty is a parallel for a lot of things.
It is just like what happened you just mentioned it
the electric car, the electric vehicle mandate that the Dema
Press did. And if you're if you're forcing people to
do something, then of course the other industries that exist
that do something different from that, they'll either leave or
they'll they'll dry up and die all together. It's kind
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of like there's a there's another one here, and this
is sort of off the trail. But in Delaware, you know,
you had that judge who decided to strike down Elon
Musk's compensation package as the CEO of Tesla, Right, so
she made his compensation package as the CEO, which was
entirely based on whether or not the company was successful.
If the company had not been successful, he wouldn't and
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paid anything. But as a result the company was successful,
he was well, as judge said no, you can't have
that and struck that down. And so what does that mean? Delaware,
which had previously for decades it's been a place where
a lot of companies go right, right, because it has
favorable laws there, Delaware is now obviously rightly so, regarded
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as a hostile place to have your business headquarter. And
so what's happening? Businesses are fleeing Delaware And they did
this because like, hahaha, we hate Elon Musk. Wat's what
we're going to do. Well, what's the result of that?
Now your state is losing business, losing companies that are
moving to somewhere else like Florida perhaps, or some other
place that were favorable to business. And is that good
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for Delaware or bad? For Delaware.
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Speaker 2 (17:17):
Stay tuned. We've got more after this.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
You see this happening across the country and that honestly,
I have a little hope because of this, because when
I see this happen, I mean even Target, bud Light,
all of these scenarios where they try to capitulate to
the far left and the average American, and I wouldn't
say it's the American right. I would say it's the
average American goes, you know what, I'm not going to
take my little girl into Target if there's going to
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be all this sexual stuff at the front of the store.
You know, that's just not going to be what I'm
going to do. And then they change. But when you
are a state like Delaware and you do that, the
change is not as easy if you as you it
is if you are a manufacturer where people are general
likely to come back if you make a quick change,
if you leave. I always say manufacturing is tough. Things
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like the situation with Delaware tough. Once you lose trust,
you're not going to go there With a manufacturer. Shift
doesn't happen overnight. If you want to make a product,
it can take sometimes a year to get up and running.
This is the issue that we have in the state
of Michigan with these leftist laws. They drive companies out
and then for us to say, oh, we're going to
build four new factories, We're talking about a year's long process.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
This is the issue with these leftist policies.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
But I want to bring up something else, because as
we're talking about leftists, let's talk about Jack Dorsey, who's
out there right now with this disturbing, I guess statement
that he wants to get rid of IP laws. Talk
about a leftist radical policy. You just be able to
steal everybody's stuff.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
Oh yeah, this is another one that the Chinese must love. Yeah,
so yeah, Jack Dorsey. Dorsey who everyone would know as
a guy who found in Twitter before Elon Musk bought it.
He tweeted the other day or posted on x a
very simple tweet it said, delete IP laws, which means
intellectual property. Delete IP laws. Now, just long story short here.
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IP laws are what protect trademarks and copyrights and patents,
things that people create and invent. And if you delete
IP laws, it means that anyone could come in and specifically,
let's talk about online because that's what Jack's talking about here,
because now he's concerned with artificial intelligence AI programs being
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allowed to do.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
For his personal game guests, to.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
Run around and rip and steal the creation of others.
It absolutely removes the incentive for content creators to create
their content. I mean, it's the way YouTube built built
its empire really is on a lot of content that
had been stolen from other people. And Chris Pavlovski, who
is the CEO of Rumble, which is a free speech
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video platform that also does cloud service also our cloud serve,
not cloud cloud services, Chris Pavlowski sort of tore into
Jack Jack Dorsey online, saying, what are you talking about
that it actually is It's not American. It's an American
to say that if you create something you don't own,
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it's that's interesting. What is the right of motivation for anyone.
It's actually in our constitution. The Constitution of the United
States says that Congress shall have the ability to create
intellectual property laws to protect the property of people who
create that property. And for Jack Dorsey to say, oh,
let's just delete the whole thing, No, it's anesthetical to
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everything that a free country should stand for. And you
better believe that once again, China is just salivating. Yes,
let's just steal everything, because that's what they're going to
do anyway.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
That's what I was going to say. This is what
we already struggle with. An entire country, in a massive
country that is constantly stealing ip imagine, and they do
it because there is no there's no rules to that.
You know, they can do whatever they want. They want
to come and steal. And that's the cautionary tale of
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people who take their business to China. Be careful, they'll
just recreate it and steal it. So I think a
lot of manufacturers have realized that. But imagine getting rid
of these laws in the United States. Anyone could steal
your content, anyone could steal your products. Anybody your neighboring
business could steal your stuff and start selling it as
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their own.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
You know, we've seen a lot of this. My girls
they like a lot of these shirts.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
There's one sweatshirt that they wear that says on the
front of it a Child of God. And it's a
certain brand that has the sweatshirt. The sweatshirt is about
sixty dollars, it's not inexpensive, but sheen is now selling that.
The Chinese manufacturer is now selling the sweatshirt for five
dollars and ninety nine cents.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
So all these.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
Other kids come in with the Chinese knockoff of a
Child of God's sweatshirt, and this company has become very
upset because this is their brand. This imagine you look
around and you see the product that you make. Everybody's
wearing it, but it's not what you made. But it
is exactly the font, everything is exactly the same. And
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you think about this on a bigger level. I mean,
you're talking about anything somebody puts out there and for
those content creators. The reason Donald Trump has been pushing
off the TikTok ban is because he understands the amount
of financial the amount of business is out there, and
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the amount of financial turmoil that would cause four individuals
in the United States I mean, and.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
People don't get that.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
They're like, oh, that he just wants to do it
because that's how he got elected. No, he's actually listening
to people because some people have built their entire career,
their entire livelihood online and now this threatens to take
that all for what for Jack Dorsey's selfish purposes. And
that's how leftists are all the times, like this doesn't
work for me, but this will work for me. And
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that's why I think you've seen the Democrat party get
away from the working person and become this party of
the snobbish, rich elite.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
Yeah. I look, Jack, when he ran Twitter, he didn't
do anything to compensate or pay to the people who
are creating the content that made his platform successful. Didn't
He didn't do any right. Yeah, Rumble Chris Pavlovski is
the guy, the CEO of Rumble. He's the one who
tore into Jack and said, this is about the dumbest
idea you can. Rumble pays its creators and there's revenue
sharing there. They do a pretty good job with that.
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Well you're talking about how about recording artists? You know
all these Hollywood you know, people who like Katie Perry,
and now that she's back from out it, from her
heroic trip to space, recording artists like her, there would
be nothing stopping anyone from just stealing everything that she
creates and making money off of her creation. Hollywood films.
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There's nothing China already rips off Hollywood films, So then
now there would be basically no barriers should be doing
that this very podcast Tutor, right, there would be nothing
stopping Ai from regurgitating a fake version of the Tutor
Dixon Show and trying to make money off of.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
That, or just taking the actual show and making it
their own.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
I mean, and this.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
Should resonate with people, and especially I'm glad you brought
a Katy Perry because I remember, I'm old enough to
remember a few years back when you could just download
music for free.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
That was a glorious time, to be honest, but it
wasn't fair. It wasn't fair.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
And on the music artist came out and said, you've
got to change this. It can't be that you can
just download our music for free. You have to change
it so people have to buy it, and so they
put in immediately, they put in safeguard and said, no,
you can't continue downloading music for free. You've got to
have a subscription, you've got to pay per song, whatever
it is. But suddenly we were paying for music again,
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and that makes total sense, and nobody went, oh, this
is unfair because people realize, oh, yeah, this is their
work and we should pay for it. And Americans are
pretty understanding of that, the fact that you have. But see,
this is my problem is that the radical left has
torn down some of those moral barriers with people.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
So now it's like, I'm owed this, I should be
able to do this.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
You're going to have a problem though, when you start
to rip off the social media influencer stuff, and that
I think will be interesting because these people have built
small empires or livelihoods off of this, and this guy's like,
I should be able to take whatever I want.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
It's so crazy.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
Yeah, well you know what it is. It's socialism. Really
are communism, Yes, everything is communal property. Yes, there is
no such thing as private property. There is no such
thing as your own intellectual property, the actual product of
your own creativity and your own mind and your own work.
None of that would exist in Jack Dorsey's of the world.
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And there are people. You have people because of this podcast.
People have jobs because of this podcast. Other others of
the Joe Rogan and whoever else are content creators, they
are also job creators, and they inject large amounts of
money into the American economy. And if you do away
with that and say no, everything that you create belongs
to all of us, and who's going to be out
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there creating no one? No one? Right?
Speaker 2 (26:25):
And you make a great point.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
I don't think that people realize the amount of people
that get paid from something like this. I mean music
is a great example too, because you've got all the
producers film. You see that, you see the actors, and
you look at film and you go, oh, they're all rich.
But it's all the people around those that you can't
just give this stuff away for free because everybody has
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to get paid.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
You are right, they are job creators.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
Have ever I mean people I like to sit through
and watch them, even though it doesn't really mean anything
to me. Watch the entire credits as a movie is ending.
You know, there's like a thousand people in yeah making
every movie.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
Right, I know.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
I always think, Okay, when the kids are still watching
something in s bedtime, I look at it. I'm like Okay,
it says there's thirty minutes left, so there's probably like
twenty two because.
Speaker 3 (27:10):
The credits are going to take so long. Imagine everybody
likes to look for a key, grip and best boy
and gaffer. Right, yeah, those jobs will.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
Be gone, Yeah, right exactly.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
AI is just going to rip it off.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
And that's and my friends in the film industry, I
see them posting all the time like we're very worried
about what this is going to mean. I mean, and
even the actors now their their voices are being ripped
off and they're being recreated to look like they're mad too.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
You know, this stuff is not good.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
I just want to end really quick on something else, though,
because as we're talking about the direction that leftists have
gone and even Democrats in general, now we see this
situation where I think there's been a lot of confusion
over the man, the marilynd Man who was deported to
the prison in El Salvador, and you have what's the
(27:58):
it's a senator, right, this senator.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
Chris van Holland from Van.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
Holland, who honestly went there to meet with him.
Speaker 3 (28:06):
Now to be clear, Rita's with him. Shared had Margarita's
with the poor.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
Fellow, the guy, a poor guy in jail going out
and having Margarita's. But honestly, this so there's questions because
I had even people last night, I'm at a school
event and people are like, oh, how could they have
deported that man? And people believe that he was an
American citizen. Not only was he not an American citizen,
but the Tennessee Star just came out with a story
(28:32):
saying that he was pulled over by Tennessee Highway patrol
years before this and had seven people in his car
that they suspected were being trafficked. And then when they
went to Biden's FBI, Biden's FBI said, let him go.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
That was suspicious.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
Now we're we're hearing that he was, you know, wrongfully deported.
And yet here's a guy who was potentially he's not
a US citizen, was potentially trafficking people. His wife had
a protection order against her him, and she had written
out the protection order why she needed protection, which was
a very devastating description of what her life was with
(29:12):
this man and how he had treated her. And yet
people are like, I mean, even the senators I called
his wife to let her know he's okay.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
I'd be like, this is the same wife that filed
a protective order against him because of a domestic abuse right, great, yeah,
well he sends her his love. Yeah, we know how
he expresses his love because she had to go to
the cops and ask for a protective order. Right. And
you know, so you got Democrats. They have chosen this
guy as their darling. This fella, this nice fellaw who
(29:41):
was living in Maryland. He is not a Maryland man.
He's a resident of El Salvador who was illegally, illegally
living in Maryland. You have Chris van Holland and all
the Democrats who have embraced this guy. And let's be
clear about this. The only reason that they have latched
on to this guy as their new hero is because
Donald Trump is on the other side, right exactly. Donald
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Trump's main superpower is breaking the brains of his political opponents.
So they have decided to wrap their arms complete. It's
Chris van Hahn and Tory Booker as Senator Chris Murphy,
it's Keen Jeffries in the House. Every Democrat and the
entirety of the mainstream media has fallen in love with
this guy, and they keep on calling him the marilynd
Man who was wrongfully deported. No, because and they know
(30:27):
that's false. They know it's false, and they keep saying it. Anyway,
he was not wrongfully deported. He'd had a deportation order
hanging over his head for years. He was illegally present
in this country. He entered illegally. He is not an
American citizen. He did not have a legal right to
be here. The Trump administration send him back to l Salvador,
(30:47):
where he is from, and it's because he was illegally present.
He is known to be an MS thirteen gang banger.
He was arrested one time, rounded up with a bunch
of other MS thirteen gang bangers, had drugs, he had
wads of cash, he was wearing MS thirteen. Other judges
and other courts have found him to be a legitimate
member of MS thirteen. He's a domestic abuser, he's a
(31:10):
suspected human trafficker, and he was illegally present. And Chris
Van Holland goes flying off to El Salvador to have
drinks with the guy as he gets the afternoon off
from prison. I've never seen a US senator make that
much effort to help an American citizen. This guy flies
to El Salvador to help him. This is an amazing
(31:30):
string simply because Donald Trump has broken their brains.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
I will tell you I have a girlfriend right now
who she adopted a child from Sierra Leone, and there
has been and the adoption has all been worked out.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
She's just supposed to go pick the child up.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
And this is such a sweet story. The child has
a she's blind. My friend has a son here in
the United States with the same issue.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
She was going to bring her back to the United States.
She can't.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
There's an issue with the us NBC. She can't get
the paperwork through. She has been begging her congresswoman, who
is a Democrat, to help her. They just are sending
her letters like, yeah, the form's not right. Begging for help.
Can't get help for a child, an eleven year old
child that.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
Needs the medical care that she can get in the
United States.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
And she should be considered an American citizen because her
mother adopted her and her mother is here. But this
senator goes after a gang banger, a bad guy and
MS thirteen person member. The a gang member and this
is correct me if I'm wrong. He lives in the
same district that Rachel Morin was killed in, is that right?
Speaker 3 (32:42):
Yes, Maryland, right, He's the US Senator from Maryland and
that's exactly where Rachel morn was killed also, and he
never did a blessed thing to react to that case.
So he lies all the way to El Salvador to
have Margarita's with and check on the well being of
this illegal alien gang banger who's been thwarted back to
his home country. It's staggering.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
This.
Speaker 3 (33:03):
This is again another one of these issues in politics.
You know, we talk about eighty twenty issues right where
eighty percent of the people are on one side and
agree and only twenty percent to see it the other way.
Democrats keep picking the twenty every single time, simply because
they hate Donald Trump so much so they can't even
see logic or reason. The pictures of Chris van Holland,
(33:25):
you know, having drinks with this Scott. He flew all
the way to l Salvador to check on the well
being of a criminal, of an illegal alien criminal.
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Michigan who wants to be the next US senator.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
Her name is Mallorie mcmarrow.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
And she posted about this story on Twitter, because that's
kind of her claim to fame, is to have a
big social media following as a crab. And she came
out and she was really mad about this guy, and
she says, so she decides to take this approach. They've
deported this man illegally. They should not have deported him.
(35:30):
They're defying the court. And Donald Trump has now said
that he is going to start sending American citizens that
disagree with him to foreign prisons.
Speaker 3 (35:41):
Come on, look, about the best thing you could possibly
say about this case, about this L. Salvadoran guy, is
that maybe he shouldn't have been sent to L. Salvador specifically,
maybe he should have been deported to some other country.
The question of whether or not he could be deported
is that's not even arguable. He was an illegal alien.
He already had a deportation order a removal order. He
(36:03):
can be deported, he should be deported, And the White
House has said, look at it. Listen, if they somehow
even managed and succeed to somehow bring him back to
this country, we're just going to deport him again. So
the reason why they said, why one judge at one
time said you can't send him back to El Salvador,
is because he claimed that he was under threat from
some gang in l Salvador. That gang in El Salvador
(36:24):
has been wiped out of existence and doesn't exist there anymore.
That particular gang has a greater presence in Los Angeles,
California than it does in El Salvador.
Speaker 1 (36:33):
To be fair, when you are a member of a gang,
you tend to have other gangs that hate you for sure.
Speaker 3 (36:39):
Okay, fine, but he has chosen to be a member,
says his defense. Hey, I can't go back there because
I'm a gang member. These are the same people who
say you can't send him to El Salvador. Why is that, Well,
because he's part of a rival gang. Oh so he
is a gang member and he's not an innocent Maryland. See,
they just can't get a Well, we're back to the
(37:02):
logic of the left.
Speaker 1 (37:03):
This is the logic that I use as a parent.
Your choices have consequences. So if you do this, this
could happen. If you join a gang, you will have
other gangs that hate you and want you dead.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
That's actually just kind of a fact.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
We all know about gangs, and I've never been in
a gang, but I still know that.
Speaker 3 (37:19):
I love it that they have to use his criminality
as his difference.
Speaker 1 (37:23):
Yes, exactly, he's a bad guy that is in danger
from other bad guys.
Speaker 2 (37:28):
You know what, sometimes the world just works itself out.
Speaker 3 (37:31):
Yeah, I mean, my gosh, that's I mean, couldn't anybody
being just about to be sentenced to prison use the
same argument?
Speaker 1 (37:37):
But also a wife beater? I mean, why are we
defending wife beaters?
Speaker 3 (37:42):
Like?
Speaker 1 (37:42):
Could women have been crapped on anymore by the Democrats?
And that's not a nice thing to say, but it
is so true. I mean, we can't have our own
sports anymore, we can't win awards, we can't get jobs
because men who pretend to be women are better than us.
Speaker 2 (37:57):
I mean, they have just so destroyed women.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
And now you have a senator, a sitting US senator
who goes to another country to have margaritas with a
wife beater.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
You cannot make it up.
Speaker 3 (38:12):
No, And it just goes to show you how far
in the grip of the far extreme left to Democratic
Party is. You have absolute mainstream, supposedly mainstream leaders United
States Senators in the House of Representatives, Akeem Jeffries, the
Democratic Leader, the Minority leader in the House of Representatives.
All of them are on board with the righteous cause.
(38:37):
They believe of this MS thirteen gang banger, wife beater,
criminal illegal alien who has been righteously deported back to
l Salvador. They're all on his side. They keep embracing
the crazy issues because the radical left requires them to.
They didn't learn anything after Election Day twenty twenty four.
They lost because Donald Trump was on the right side
(38:59):
of the issues, talking about the insane that you just
said it. Men invading women's faces, trans women who are
really biological men in women's sports. Democrats insist, still insists
that it's okay for biological grown men to play organized
sports against women, against actual biological females. They think that's fine.
(39:21):
Immigration they are on This is like a ninety ten issue,
and they're on the side of the ten. They keep
choosing the wrong side over and over because the radical
left is in charge of that party. Listen, I mean, look,
a leftist just firebomb the governor's mansion in Pennsylvania, right,
(39:43):
that's Josh Shapiro. He's a Jewish governor of Pennsylvania. He
was targeted because of the crazy leftist's view of the
conflict in Gaza. He's tro hamas pro Palestinian. He firebombed
the guy's mansion in Pennsylvania, the governor's mansion because of
his position in supporting Israel in that conflict. Does anyone
(40:04):
recognize the irony here? Josh Shapiro was not picked to
be Kamala Harrison running mate because he's Jewish and the
radical left wouldn't stand for that. Right, I mean, the
party is broken, completely and utterly broken.
Speaker 1 (40:20):
And that's when I always say, what is the final
nail in the coffin of this new Democrat Party?
Speaker 2 (40:25):
And does that kill the party? Does a new party
for him?
Speaker 1 (40:28):
Do they go back to the JFK party like what
happens to the Democrat Party? Because I believe that one
day people will look back at the Biden administration and
say they had a man cross dressing as a woman
saying that he could tell you about science and health.
Speaker 2 (40:45):
How bizarre.
Speaker 3 (40:47):
That's great. If JFK were alive today, they would call
him a right wing extremist.
Speaker 1 (40:51):
I mean, remember when SNL used to have that skit,
it's Pat and you didn't know if Pat was a
woman or a man like you couldn't even do that
today they would freak out.
Speaker 2 (41:01):
But that was funny. That was when Asinel was good.
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (41:06):
I'm I just I love talking to you, I love
having you on.
Speaker 2 (41:09):
I mean, we'll see.
Speaker 1 (41:10):
Maybe we'll be able to talk about the demise of
the Democrat Party sooner than we think.
Speaker 3 (41:16):
Well yeah, I mean, you got the media out there
are going to prop them up for as long as
they possibly can. But I'm hopeful that regular Americans who
do nothing every day but just go about their regular
lives and aren't, as you know, in tune to this
as we are every single day. It's sort of a
sickness that we have. I'm sorry to say. I know
we do pay attention to this so much, but regular
people who have real lives to go and pursue and
(41:39):
don't pay attention to them a new ship. I hope
that it's freaking through and they and then I got
to believe that some of them look at Democrats do
it and just say, what in the world is in
these people's heads?
Speaker 1 (41:50):
I mean, you even had one of the big comedians,
who was it, someone Dylan that was on Fox last
night with Sean Handy.
Speaker 2 (41:59):
Someone was and he was like, if you can't make
a joke anymore, where have we come to? And this
is not like a conservative.
Speaker 1 (42:07):
This is someone who's just like, can we get back
to where we're kind of light hearted and the country
is fun again?
Speaker 2 (42:12):
I mean they are such fun crushers.
Speaker 3 (42:14):
Yeah, I know, Jerry Seinfeld won't perform on college campuses
because he says it's you can't make jokes, right.
Speaker 2 (42:19):
No, everybody is so sensitive.
Speaker 1 (42:21):
But those are the people who are the radical leftists,
and they're not getting married and they're not having relationships.
They have become so angry they can't even communicate with
their own friends.
Speaker 3 (42:34):
No, yeah, that's it. I mean they have every year
of publications like Slenna, We're going along here, publications like
Slate and you know, Huffington Post and The Daily Beast.
They always publish these things around Christmas and Thanksgiving. How
to talk to your uncle and all that stuff. They
are like it's encouraging the division, and like how to
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treat your families like they're all mentally handicapped.
Speaker 2 (42:58):
Right exactly. Now, I know people that is for one.
Speaker 3 (43:02):
So you know what, you know what one business that's
going under because the left doesn't buy mirrors anymore because
they certainly don't look in them.
Speaker 1 (43:10):
That's that's absolutely true. Yeah, self reflection is no longer
a thing, not a thing. Well, Tim Murta, I always
enjoy having you on. Thank you for coming on.
Speaker 3 (43:19):
That was fantastic, Tutor, Thank you very much, and congratulations
and on the success of this show and much more
of it.
Speaker 2 (43:26):
So thank you, thank you.
Speaker 1 (43:27):
I appreciate it, and thank you all for listening to
the Tutor Dixon Podcast for this episode and others. You
can go to Tutor Dixon podcast dot com, the iHeartRadio app,
Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts and join
us next time.
Speaker 2 (43:38):
I have a blessed day.
Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. We have my friend
Tim Murta with me today. He is the founder of
Line Drive Public Affairs and he was also a senior
advisor on the twenty twenty four Trump campaign and was
the communications director for Trump in twenty twenty.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Thank you so much for joining me.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
Good to see you again, Tutor. I am pleased as
it can be to be with you again. Thanks for
having me on.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Absolutely so, we have so much to get to.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
We were chatting a little bit about it before we
went on the air, and so I want to I
want to get into all of it. But you were
telling me about this Biden pill penalty. It's something that
I didn't even know was a problem out there. I
think most Americans probably don't realize this, but I think
we're kind of a little bit more aware of the
fact that we have issues with our pharmaceuticals. From the
(00:44):
standpoint of we saw during twenty twenty suddenly everything's being
made in China.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
We can't get it here.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Now there's something new we should be worried about we
probably don't even know about. To explain a little bit
about the Biden pill penalty to us.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
This thanks very much for bringing this up. This is
something that was snuck into the Inflation Reduction Act, the
poorly named Inflation Reduction Act is as we all know,
it didn't do anything to reduce inflation, but it was
passed by Joe Biden and the Democrats. Not a single
Republican voted for it, and allegedly he was doing this
to try to do something about the cost of medicine,
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but it actually has the opposite effect. What the Biden
pill penalty does is it treats different categories of medicine differently.
You have one category of medicine, which are called large
molecule medicine, and think of these things as they have
to go to the doctor's office or the hospital to
get talking about IDs or injections or infusions. Those are
more inconvenient. Of course, you have to go to the
(01:39):
hospital or doctor to get them, and they're far more expensive.
On the other side, you have a different category of
pills of medicine, which are called small molecules. Think of pills.
These are the medicines that people can take at home.
They're much more convenient. We know that people are more
likely to take in the medicine that they need if
it's convenient for them, if it's easy to get you
can get pills by mail, you can take them at home.
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They're much more convenient, and they're also cheaper. Pills on
average are seventy one percent cheaper than the biologic large
molecule forms. And that makes perfect sense to want to
have people take those kinds of medicines. But what did
the Biden pill penalty do. It drove people away from
(02:21):
the cheaper, more convenient medicines. And what that means is
it drives up costs of the medicines themselves. It caused
drives up the cost to make them, It drives up
the costs for patients, and it drives up the cost
for the entire healthcare system. It discriminated against pills by
making it short by the government can come in and
set prices on pills earlier than they can for biologic
(02:43):
So it is driving all of the research dollars away
from pills and towards these more expensive, more convenient, more inconvenient,
large molecule medicines. And the result is that since this
was introduced in twenty twenty one, seventy percent of the
research and development dollars for pill medicine has gone away.
It's either gone to the large molecule injection drugs, the
(03:05):
IV drugs, or it's even left the pharmaceutical industry entirely.
It's on to AI or to the energy sector where
people are investing their money. It is if you were
talking about caring about the cost of medicine to people,
to consumers, to patients, and to the entire healthcare system.
The Biden pill penalty is about the dumbest thing you
(03:26):
could ever have possibly conceived. But Biden and the Democrats
did it. Republicans can save it. However, President Trump signed
an executive order just the other day that addresses the
cost of prescription medication, and getting rid of the Biden
pill penalty is something that's in there. He directed the
Secretary of HHS to work for Congress to do this,
and Congress can do it. There's a piece of legislation
(03:46):
called the Epic Act, which would get rid of the
Biden pill penalty. But the more likely way that it's
going to happen is through budget reconciliation, which is going
to be happening in Congress over the course of the
next number of weeks. So the Biden pill penalty. It's
completely backwards. It drives up the cost of medicine, It
drives up the cost of healthcare generally, and it forces
people away from pills, which again is seventy one percent
(04:10):
cheaper than the alternative and the more inconvenient large molecule
injection IV form medicine that people have to go to
the hospital.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
Well, and I think right now we have a lot
of people who are very skeptical pharmaceutical companies. I think
after twenty twenty, we have the MAHA movement, we have
RFK who's come out and said he's going to take
a look at all this stuff. So I think when
you talk to some of these people, they're a little
bit concerned about, well, well do I even want drug
companies doing this research? But I think that what you're
pointing out is critical right now because you have a
(04:42):
Health and Human Services Department the agency.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
That is going to be actually looking at this.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
And an FDA that is going to be looking at
the research in a different way than they had in
the past. We just had somebody on the podcast who
was saying, you know, the FDA, they were exposing some
of the stuff that they say Johnson and Johnson has done,
and they said that they had proof that the FDA
had actually worked with Johnson and Johnson, been paid by
Johnson and Johnson, and there was a collaboration there. Now
(05:10):
you have an FDA that is not biased, that wants
to be involved in this research. If you have pharmaceutical
companies stepping out of that right now because there is
no competitive advantage or there is no financial advantage, and
they're putting money into a different type of medication, right now,
we have potential years of breakthroughs that will not be
(05:33):
monitored by this MAHA movement.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
It's I think that's a double whammy.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
Yeah. And look, I think there and we're talking about
two different categories of drugs, right the large molecule versus
small molecules or pills, And there's pharmaceutical companies of course
in both of those camps. So if you're looking for
logic as to why Joe Biden and the Democrats did this,
I mean, I don't know if you're going to find it.
You'd have to ask if he can possibly answered this question,
why Joe, why did you do this? I mean, he
(05:59):
probably doesn't enough, but it's kind of like the same
logic that they have where they try to force people
to drive electric vehicles and then force everyone to use
wind and solar panel which doesn't produce enough electricity to
charge the electric vehicle. If you're trying to find logic
in what they do and how they pick winners and losers,
you're not going to find it. But you're exactly right.
I mean, this really does all boil down to costs
(06:21):
to the consumer. As I said, the pills are seventy
one percent cheaper than these other forms of medicine. And
the fact is the Biden pill penalty discourages the development
of generic drugs coming into the market. There is no
longer any incentive for a company to develop a generic
form of a drug to get into the market quickly,
to become the first one in there. The Biden pill
(06:42):
penalty destroys that incentive. And as we know, take the
cholesterol drug Libatory, which is a great example. Everyone knows
about this. Because of generics in the cholesterol drug market,
you can get your cholesterol medicine for basically pennies a dose, right,
that's because of generics. Pill penalty actually actively discourages the
(07:03):
entry of generics into the market. It is completely backwards
for a cost saving approach. If you care about the
price of prescription drugs. The Biden pill penalty is exactly
the opposite of what you would do because it discourages
the development of pill form medicine. And again we're talking
about mental health drugs, Alzheimer's drugs, cancer drugs. Hey, Joe
(07:27):
Biden said, I'm going to be the president who cures cancer,
and then he does this and drives research and development
away from cancer drugs. It's ridiculous. And the University of
Chicago has done a study about this. I'm glad you
mentioned breakthroughs not happening. He ate different breakthroughs in medicine,
either new medicines that would cure certain ailments or new
(07:49):
applications for existing medicines. Eighty eight discoveries or breakthroughs have
not occurred because of the Biden pill penalty and the
result of that, Again, according to the University of Chicago,
not's some you know, fly by night outfit. They're a
very renowned world university. One hundred and sixteen million life
(08:09):
years have been lost off of the life expectancies of
Americans who are living today, one hundred and sixteen million.
So you know, is that a year off or two
off of your life, off of my life, all my
kid's life. You know, how do you calculate the value
of that. But the real cost of this is not
only in the health because people are not going to
(08:29):
be able to use the pills at home that are convenient.
They'll end up in the hospital because they're not taking
care of ailments on the front end, and then they'll
get more serious down the road. But again, pills are
seventy one percent cheaper than the ones that you have
to go to the hospital for. And Joe Biden is
driving people still He's no longer president, and he's still
having this effect, driving people to the more inconvenient, more
(08:51):
extensive drugs that you have to go to the hospital for.
The Biden pill penalty. It has got to go. Congress
can do it, and it's good that Trump President Trump
is on board with this.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Well, so you mentioned that you think Joe Biden probably
had no idea that this was going in there, and
I suspect that he doesn't really understand. But Okay, there's
a few things then that we have to talk about.
We have to be aware of who we are electing
and how well they know the issues, because you saw
this when Kamala Harris went out and she was interviewed.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
She didn't know the issues.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
That was people say, oh, podcasts for the reason that
Donald Trump got elected, But it wasn't just that he
went on podcasts. It was that he was able to
actually coherently speak on podcasts and understand all the issues.
You need to look at your candidates and understand do
they understand do they know the issues? And then there's
the other side of this, that is, are some of
(09:46):
these militias or is this just irresponsible? Because I think
so often I see legislators and people in government who
want to push something through but they haven't game planned
out all of the different effects. So is it malicious
or is it irresponsible legislation that they didn't go?
Speaker 2 (10:05):
Man, you know what? This is really going to screw
up the whole industry?
Speaker 3 (10:08):
Well, I mean, it's kind of anyone's guess. And I
have some theories as to why stuff like this happens,
especially with something this monstrosity, the Inflation Reduction Act. First
is first thing. The liberals, the left and you know this,
they are the kings of mislabeling things, describing things describing
pieces of legislation as exactly what they are not.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
You know, the I know what you said, it was
a terrible name, the Inflation Reduction Act. I'm like, actually,
great name, because it was very deceitful.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
Yes, I mean, that's that's exactly what they do. And
you know, they're every single Democrat in Congress who voted
for this thing. And again I would point out that
no Republicans voted for it, and I would hazard a
guess that as Joe Biden or the Auto Pen or
whoever it was who signed the legislation after the pass Congres,
there's no way he knew everything that was in it,
(10:59):
you know. And you tell members of Congress, hey, we've
got this thing. It's called the Inflation Reduction Act, right,
They're like, oh, yes, who could vote against that if
you're a Democrat, especially since Joe Biden was the one
pushing it, and Republicans were saying, you know, this is
a bad idea, We're all going to vote against this.
They just they misnamed things. I'm not sure that this
is all written by staff. There is no chance that
members of Congress actually who voted for it actually read
(11:21):
the whole thing. There's no chance. And I'll tell you.
I'll tell you who does know what's in it. China.
China knows what's in the Reduction Inflation Reduction Act because
they have taken advantage of the Biden pill penalty that's
in there. And China has since twenty twenty one, has
by leaps and bounds, ramped up its research and investment
(11:41):
in pill form medicine. They are now trying to catch
up to the United States and are almost there. They
are putting every dollar they can in developing new pill
form medicine in China because it's a way for them
to keep their people, their workforce healthy and with longer
life spans than their competitors on the other side of
the world, the United States of America. China knows an
(12:04):
opening when they see it, and you better believe China
reads the legislation that the people on the left passed
through here and it is doing this is an example
of wrong headed legislation where it actually, you know, Congress,
this is what Congress has the ability to do. They
can either encourage certain behaviors or discourage certain behaviors. The
(12:25):
Biden pill penalty discourages investment in cheaper, more effective, more
convenient medicines, and it encourages money to go to the
more expensive, more inconvenient sort of medicines of last resort
that you have to take at the hospital. So I
don't know if that's by design, but that's the effect.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
Too often, there's unintended consequences with this legislation, and I
see it in Michigan. I mean, you talked about the
energy and these mandates that we have, that the electric
car mandates and then the energy mandates that these leftists
put in. Look at Michigan, it's a great example. We've
got these we have to be what totally one hundred
(13:04):
percent renewable energy, how ridiculous, impossible by twenty thirty five,
and they want electric car mandates. So then what happens
the unintended consequences of that is manufacturers say this is
a this environment is volatile. I don't know that I
can actually have the lights on. I don't know that
my machines will always be working. If they're going to
(13:25):
do this with energy, I've got to leave the state.
We've had massive businesses leave the state. This unintended consequence
is very severe, and it's very radical, and happens quickly.
I mean, this this situation with China, suddenly we're even
more reliant on China.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
That would be a terrible situation.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
And we are at the standoff right now with them
with the tariffs, and it's it's an interesting scenario because
they're very reliant on us, of course, because we're buying
most of their product. I mean, I think it's like
five hundred and sixty five billion dollars that were oft
we're bringing in every year from China. It's very, very significant,
(14:04):
and they're only taking in about three hundred billion from US.
So we are buying a lot from them. But if
we put this in their lap, this is our health,
how do you trust that?
Speaker 3 (14:16):
No? I mean, you're you're exactly right. This the Biden
pill penalty is a parallel for a lot of things.
It is just like what happened you just mentioned it
the electric car, the electric vehicle mandate that the Dema
Press did. And if you're if you're forcing people to
do something, then of course the other industries that exist
that do something different from that, they'll either leave or
they'll they'll dry up and die all together. It's kind
(14:38):
of like there's a there's another one here, and this
is sort of off the trail. But in Delaware, you know,
you had that judge who decided to strike down Elon
Musk's compensation package as the CEO of Tesla, Right, so
she made his compensation package as the CEO, which was
entirely based on whether or not the company was successful.
If the company had not been successful, he wouldn't and
(15:00):
paid anything. But as a result the company was successful,
he was well, as judge said no, you can't have
that and struck that down. And so what does that mean? Delaware,
which had previously for decades it's been a place where
a lot of companies go right, right, because it has
favorable laws there, Delaware is now obviously rightly so, regarded
(15:22):
as a hostile place to have your business headquarter. And
so what's happening? Businesses are fleeing Delaware And they did
this because like, hahaha, we hate Elon Musk. Wat's what
we're going to do. Well, what's the result of that?
Now your state is losing business, losing companies that are
moving to somewhere else like Florida perhaps, or some other
place that were favorable to business. And is that good
(15:44):
for Delaware or bad? For Delaware.
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Speaker 2 (17:17):
Stay tuned. We've got more after this.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
You see this happening across the country and that honestly,
I have a little hope because of this, because when
I see this happen, I mean even Target, bud Light,
all of these scenarios where they try to capitulate to
the far left and the average American, and I wouldn't
say it's the American right. I would say it's the
average American goes, you know what, I'm not going to
take my little girl into Target if there's going to
(17:45):
be all this sexual stuff at the front of the store.
You know, that's just not going to be what I'm
going to do. And then they change. But when you
are a state like Delaware and you do that, the
change is not as easy if you as you it
is if you are a manufacturer where people are general
likely to come back if you make a quick change,
if you leave. I always say manufacturing is tough. Things
(18:07):
like the situation with Delaware tough. Once you lose trust,
you're not going to go there With a manufacturer. Shift
doesn't happen overnight. If you want to make a product,
it can take sometimes a year to get up and running.
This is the issue that we have in the state
of Michigan with these leftist laws. They drive companies out
and then for us to say, oh, we're going to
build four new factories, We're talking about a year's long process.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
This is the issue with these leftist policies.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
But I want to bring up something else, because as
we're talking about leftists, let's talk about Jack Dorsey, who's
out there right now with this disturbing, I guess statement
that he wants to get rid of IP laws. Talk
about a leftist radical policy. You just be able to
steal everybody's stuff.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
Oh yeah, this is another one that the Chinese must love. Yeah,
so yeah, Jack Dorsey. Dorsey who everyone would know as
a guy who found in Twitter before Elon Musk bought it.
He tweeted the other day or posted on x a
very simple tweet it said, delete IP laws, which means
intellectual property. Delete IP laws. Now, just long story short here.
(19:11):
IP laws are what protect trademarks and copyrights and patents,
things that people create and invent. And if you delete
IP laws, it means that anyone could come in and specifically,
let's talk about online because that's what Jack's talking about here,
because now he's concerned with artificial intelligence AI programs being
(19:32):
allowed to do.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
For his personal game guests, to.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
Run around and rip and steal the creation of others.
It absolutely removes the incentive for content creators to create
their content. I mean, it's the way YouTube built built
its empire really is on a lot of content that
had been stolen from other people. And Chris Pavlovski, who
is the CEO of Rumble, which is a free speech
(19:57):
video platform that also does cloud service also our cloud serve,
not cloud cloud services, Chris Pavlowski sort of tore into
Jack Jack Dorsey online, saying, what are you talking about
that it actually is It's not American. It's an American
to say that if you create something you don't own,
(20:19):
it's that's interesting. What is the right of motivation for anyone.
It's actually in our constitution. The Constitution of the United
States says that Congress shall have the ability to create
intellectual property laws to protect the property of people who
create that property. And for Jack Dorsey to say, oh,
let's just delete the whole thing, No, it's anesthetical to
(20:42):
everything that a free country should stand for. And you
better believe that once again, China is just salivating. Yes,
let's just steal everything, because that's what they're going to
do anyway.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
That's what I was going to say. This is what
we already struggle with. An entire country, in a massive
country that is constantly stealing ip imagine, and they do
it because there is no there's no rules to that.
You know, they can do whatever they want. They want
to come and steal. And that's the cautionary tale of
(21:12):
people who take their business to China. Be careful, they'll
just recreate it and steal it. So I think a
lot of manufacturers have realized that. But imagine getting rid
of these laws in the United States. Anyone could steal
your content, anyone could steal your products. Anybody your neighboring
business could steal your stuff and start selling it as
(21:33):
their own.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
You know, we've seen a lot of this. My girls
they like a lot of these shirts.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
There's one sweatshirt that they wear that says on the
front of it a Child of God. And it's a
certain brand that has the sweatshirt. The sweatshirt is about
sixty dollars, it's not inexpensive, but sheen is now selling that.
The Chinese manufacturer is now selling the sweatshirt for five
dollars and ninety nine cents.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
So all these.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
Other kids come in with the Chinese knockoff of a
Child of God's sweatshirt, and this company has become very
upset because this is their brand. This imagine you look
around and you see the product that you make. Everybody's
wearing it, but it's not what you made. But it
is exactly the font, everything is exactly the same. And
(22:21):
you think about this on a bigger level. I mean,
you're talking about anything somebody puts out there and for
those content creators. The reason Donald Trump has been pushing
off the TikTok ban is because he understands the amount
of financial the amount of business is out there, and
(22:42):
the amount of financial turmoil that would cause four individuals
in the United States I mean, and.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
People don't get that.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
They're like, oh, that he just wants to do it
because that's how he got elected. No, he's actually listening
to people because some people have built their entire career,
their entire livelihood online and now this threatens to take
that all for what for Jack Dorsey's selfish purposes. And
that's how leftists are all the times, like this doesn't
work for me, but this will work for me. And
(23:10):
that's why I think you've seen the Democrat party get
away from the working person and become this party of
the snobbish, rich elite.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
Yeah. I look, Jack, when he ran Twitter, he didn't
do anything to compensate or pay to the people who
are creating the content that made his platform successful. Didn't
He didn't do any right. Yeah, Rumble Chris Pavlovski is
the guy, the CEO of Rumble. He's the one who
tore into Jack and said, this is about the dumbest
idea you can. Rumble pays its creators and there's revenue
sharing there. They do a pretty good job with that.
(23:39):
Well you're talking about how about recording artists? You know
all these Hollywood you know, people who like Katie Perry,
and now that she's back from out it, from her
heroic trip to space, recording artists like her, there would
be nothing stopping anyone from just stealing everything that she
creates and making money off of her creation. Hollywood films.
(24:01):
There's nothing China already rips off Hollywood films, So then
now there would be basically no barriers should be doing
that this very podcast Tutor, right, there would be nothing
stopping Ai from regurgitating a fake version of the Tutor
Dixon Show and trying to make money off of.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
That, or just taking the actual show and making it
their own.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
I mean, and this.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
Should resonate with people, and especially I'm glad you brought
a Katy Perry because I remember, I'm old enough to
remember a few years back when you could just download
music for free.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
That was a glorious time, to be honest, but it
wasn't fair. It wasn't fair.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
And on the music artist came out and said, you've
got to change this. It can't be that you can
just download our music for free. You have to change
it so people have to buy it, and so they
put in immediately, they put in safeguard and said, no,
you can't continue downloading music for free. You've got to
have a subscription, you've got to pay per song, whatever
it is. But suddenly we were paying for music again,
(25:01):
and that makes total sense, and nobody went, oh, this
is unfair because people realize, oh, yeah, this is their
work and we should pay for it. And Americans are
pretty understanding of that, the fact that you have. But see,
this is my problem is that the radical left has
torn down some of those moral barriers with people.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
So now it's like, I'm owed this, I should be
able to do this.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
You're going to have a problem though, when you start
to rip off the social media influencer stuff, and that
I think will be interesting because these people have built
small empires or livelihoods off of this, and this guy's like,
I should be able to take whatever I want.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
It's so crazy.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
Yeah, well you know what it is. It's socialism. Really
are communism, Yes, everything is communal property. Yes, there is
no such thing as private property. There is no such
thing as your own intellectual property, the actual product of
your own creativity and your own mind and your own work.
None of that would exist in Jack Dorsey's of the world.
(26:00):
And there are people. You have people because of this podcast.
People have jobs because of this podcast. Other others of
the Joe Rogan and whoever else are content creators, they
are also job creators, and they inject large amounts of
money into the American economy. And if you do away
with that and say no, everything that you create belongs
to all of us, and who's going to be out
(26:22):
there creating no one? No one? Right?
Speaker 2 (26:25):
And you make a great point.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
I don't think that people realize the amount of people
that get paid from something like this. I mean music
is a great example too, because you've got all the
producers film. You see that, you see the actors, and
you look at film and you go, oh, they're all rich.
But it's all the people around those that you can't
just give this stuff away for free because everybody has
(26:46):
to get paid.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
You are right, they are job creators.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
Have ever I mean people I like to sit through
and watch them, even though it doesn't really mean anything
to me. Watch the entire credits as a movie is ending.
You know, there's like a thousand people in yeah making
every movie.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
Right, I know.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
I always think, Okay, when the kids are still watching
something in s bedtime, I look at it. I'm like Okay,
it says there's thirty minutes left, so there's probably like
twenty two because.
Speaker 3 (27:10):
The credits are going to take so long. Imagine everybody
likes to look for a key, grip and best boy
and gaffer. Right, yeah, those jobs will.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
Be gone, Yeah, right exactly.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
AI is just going to rip it off.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
And that's and my friends in the film industry, I
see them posting all the time like we're very worried
about what this is going to mean. I mean, and
even the actors now their their voices are being ripped
off and they're being recreated to look like they're mad too.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
You know, this stuff is not good.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
I just want to end really quick on something else, though,
because as we're talking about the direction that leftists have
gone and even Democrats in general, now we see this
situation where I think there's been a lot of confusion
over the man, the marilynd Man who was deported to
the prison in El Salvador, and you have what's the
(27:58):
it's a senator, right, this senator.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
Chris van Holland from Van.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
Holland, who honestly went there to meet with him.
Speaker 3 (28:06):
Now to be clear, Rita's with him. Shared had Margarita's
with the poor.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
Fellow, the guy, a poor guy in jail going out
and having Margarita's. But honestly, this so there's questions because
I had even people last night, I'm at a school
event and people are like, oh, how could they have
deported that man? And people believe that he was an
American citizen. Not only was he not an American citizen,
but the Tennessee Star just came out with a story
(28:32):
saying that he was pulled over by Tennessee Highway patrol
years before this and had seven people in his car
that they suspected were being trafficked. And then when they
went to Biden's FBI, Biden's FBI said, let him go.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
That was suspicious.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
Now we're we're hearing that he was, you know, wrongfully deported.
And yet here's a guy who was potentially he's not
a US citizen, was potentially trafficking people. His wife had
a protection order against her him, and she had written
out the protection order why she needed protection, which was
a very devastating description of what her life was with
(29:12):
this man and how he had treated her. And yet
people are like, I mean, even the senators I called
his wife to let her know he's okay.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
I'd be like, this is the same wife that filed
a protective order against him because of a domestic abuse right, great, yeah,
well he sends her his love. Yeah, we know how
he expresses his love because she had to go to
the cops and ask for a protective order. Right. And
you know, so you got Democrats. They have chosen this
guy as their darling. This fella, this nice fellaw who
(29:41):
was living in Maryland. He is not a Maryland man.
He's a resident of El Salvador who was illegally, illegally
living in Maryland. You have Chris van Holland and all
the Democrats who have embraced this guy. And let's be
clear about this. The only reason that they have latched
on to this guy as their new hero is because
Donald Trump is on the other side, right exactly. Donald
(30:03):
Trump's main superpower is breaking the brains of his political opponents.
So they have decided to wrap their arms complete. It's
Chris van Hahn and Tory Booker as Senator Chris Murphy,
it's Keen Jeffries in the House. Every Democrat and the
entirety of the mainstream media has fallen in love with
this guy, and they keep on calling him the marilynd
Man who was wrongfully deported. No, because and they know
(30:27):
that's false. They know it's false, and they keep saying it. Anyway,
he was not wrongfully deported. He'd had a deportation order
hanging over his head for years. He was illegally present
in this country. He entered illegally. He is not an
American citizen. He did not have a legal right to
be here. The Trump administration send him back to l Salvador,
(30:47):
where he is from, and it's because he was illegally present.
He is known to be an MS thirteen gang banger.
He was arrested one time, rounded up with a bunch
of other MS thirteen gang bangers, had drugs, he had
wads of cash, he was wearing MS thirteen. Other judges
and other courts have found him to be a legitimate
member of MS thirteen. He's a domestic abuser, he's a
(31:10):
suspected human trafficker, and he was illegally present. And Chris
Van Holland goes flying off to El Salvador to have
drinks with the guy as he gets the afternoon off
from prison. I've never seen a US senator make that
much effort to help an American citizen. This guy flies
to El Salvador to help him. This is an amazing
(31:30):
string simply because Donald Trump has broken their brains.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
I will tell you I have a girlfriend right now
who she adopted a child from Sierra Leone, and there
has been and the adoption has all been worked out.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
She's just supposed to go pick the child up.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
And this is such a sweet story. The child has
a she's blind. My friend has a son here in
the United States with the same issue.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
She was going to bring her back to the United States.
She can't.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
There's an issue with the us NBC. She can't get
the paperwork through. She has been begging her congresswoman, who
is a Democrat, to help her. They just are sending
her letters like, yeah, the form's not right. Begging for help.
Can't get help for a child, an eleven year old
child that.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
Needs the medical care that she can get in the
United States.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
And she should be considered an American citizen because her
mother adopted her and her mother is here. But this
senator goes after a gang banger, a bad guy and
MS thirteen person member. The a gang member and this
is correct me if I'm wrong. He lives in the
same district that Rachel Morin was killed in, is that right?
Speaker 3 (32:42):
Yes, Maryland, right, He's the US Senator from Maryland and
that's exactly where Rachel morn was killed also, and he
never did a blessed thing to react to that case.
So he lies all the way to El Salvador to
have Margarita's with and check on the well being of
this illegal alien gang banger who's been thwarted back to
his home country. It's staggering.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
This.
Speaker 3 (33:03):
This is again another one of these issues in politics.
You know, we talk about eighty twenty issues right where
eighty percent of the people are on one side and
agree and only twenty percent to see it the other way.
Democrats keep picking the twenty every single time, simply because
they hate Donald Trump so much so they can't even
see logic or reason. The pictures of Chris van Holland,
(33:25):
you know, having drinks with this Scott. He flew all
the way to l Salvador to check on the well
being of a criminal, of an illegal alien criminal.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
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Michigan who wants to be the next US senator.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
Her name is Mallorie mcmarrow.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
And she posted about this story on Twitter, because that's
kind of her claim to fame, is to have a
big social media following as a crab. And she came
out and she was really mad about this guy, and
she says, so she decides to take this approach. They've
deported this man illegally. They should not have deported him.
(35:30):
They're defying the court. And Donald Trump has now said
that he is going to start sending American citizens that
disagree with him to foreign prisons.
Speaker 3 (35:41):
Come on, look, about the best thing you could possibly
say about this case, about this L. Salvadoran guy, is
that maybe he shouldn't have been sent to L. Salvador specifically,
maybe he should have been deported to some other country.
The question of whether or not he could be deported
is that's not even arguable. He was an illegal alien.
He already had a deportation order a removal order. He
(36:03):
can be deported, he should be deported, And the White
House has said, look at it. Listen, if they somehow
even managed and succeed to somehow bring him back to
this country, we're just going to deport him again. So
the reason why they said, why one judge at one
time said you can't send him back to El Salvador,
is because he claimed that he was under threat from
some gang in l Salvador. That gang in El Salvador
(36:24):
has been wiped out of existence and doesn't exist there anymore.
That particular gang has a greater presence in Los Angeles,
California than it does in El Salvador.
Speaker 1 (36:33):
To be fair, when you are a member of a gang,
you tend to have other gangs that hate you for sure.
Speaker 3 (36:39):
Okay, fine, but he has chosen to be a member,
says his defense. Hey, I can't go back there because
I'm a gang member. These are the same people who
say you can't send him to El Salvador. Why is that, Well,
because he's part of a rival gang. Oh so he
is a gang member and he's not an innocent Maryland. See,
they just can't get a Well, we're back to the
(37:02):
logic of the left.
Speaker 1 (37:03):
This is the logic that I use as a parent.
Your choices have consequences. So if you do this, this
could happen. If you join a gang, you will have
other gangs that hate you and want you dead.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
That's actually just kind of a fact.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
We all know about gangs, and I've never been in
a gang, but I still know that.
Speaker 3 (37:19):
I love it that they have to use his criminality
as his difference.
Speaker 1 (37:23):
Yes, exactly, he's a bad guy that is in danger
from other bad guys.
Speaker 2 (37:28):
You know what, sometimes the world just works itself out.
Speaker 3 (37:31):
Yeah, I mean, my gosh, that's I mean, couldn't anybody
being just about to be sentenced to prison use the
same argument?
Speaker 1 (37:37):
But also a wife beater? I mean, why are we
defending wife beaters?
Speaker 3 (37:42):
Like?
Speaker 1 (37:42):
Could women have been crapped on anymore by the Democrats?
And that's not a nice thing to say, but it
is so true. I mean, we can't have our own
sports anymore, we can't win awards, we can't get jobs
because men who pretend to be women are better than us.
Speaker 2 (37:57):
I mean, they have just so destroyed women.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
And now you have a senator, a sitting US senator
who goes to another country to have margaritas with a
wife beater.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
You cannot make it up.
Speaker 3 (38:12):
No, And it just goes to show you how far
in the grip of the far extreme left to Democratic
Party is. You have absolute mainstream, supposedly mainstream leaders United
States Senators in the House of Representatives, Akeem Jeffries, the
Democratic Leader, the Minority leader in the House of Representatives.
All of them are on board with the righteous cause.
(38:37):
They believe of this MS thirteen gang banger, wife beater,
criminal illegal alien who has been righteously deported back to
l Salvador. They're all on his side. They keep embracing
the crazy issues because the radical left requires them to.
They didn't learn anything after Election Day twenty twenty four.
They lost because Donald Trump was on the right side
(38:59):
of the issues, talking about the insane that you just
said it. Men invading women's faces, trans women who are
really biological men in women's sports. Democrats insist, still insists
that it's okay for biological grown men to play organized
sports against women, against actual biological females. They think that's fine.
(39:21):
Immigration they are on This is like a ninety ten issue,
and they're on the side of the ten. They keep
choosing the wrong side over and over because the radical
left is in charge of that party. Listen, I mean, look,
a leftist just firebomb the governor's mansion in Pennsylvania, right,
(39:43):
that's Josh Shapiro. He's a Jewish governor of Pennsylvania. He
was targeted because of the crazy leftist's view of the
conflict in Gaza. He's tro hamas pro Palestinian. He firebombed
the guy's mansion in Pennsylvania, the governor's mansion because of
his position in supporting Israel in that conflict. Does anyone
(40:04):
recognize the irony here? Josh Shapiro was not picked to
be Kamala Harrison running mate because he's Jewish and the
radical left wouldn't stand for that. Right, I mean, the
party is broken, completely and utterly broken.
Speaker 1 (40:20):
And that's when I always say, what is the final
nail in the coffin of this new Democrat Party?
Speaker 2 (40:25):
And does that kill the party? Does a new party
for him?
Speaker 1 (40:28):
Do they go back to the JFK party like what
happens to the Democrat Party? Because I believe that one
day people will look back at the Biden administration and
say they had a man cross dressing as a woman
saying that he could tell you about science and health.
Speaker 2 (40:45):
How bizarre.
Speaker 3 (40:47):
That's great. If JFK were alive today, they would call
him a right wing extremist.
Speaker 1 (40:51):
I mean, remember when SNL used to have that skit,
it's Pat and you didn't know if Pat was a
woman or a man like you couldn't even do that
today they would freak out.
Speaker 2 (41:01):
But that was funny. That was when Asinel was good.
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (41:06):
I'm I just I love talking to you, I love
having you on.
Speaker 2 (41:09):
I mean, we'll see.
Speaker 1 (41:10):
Maybe we'll be able to talk about the demise of
the Democrat Party sooner than we think.
Speaker 3 (41:16):
Well yeah, I mean, you got the media out there
are going to prop them up for as long as
they possibly can. But I'm hopeful that regular Americans who
do nothing every day but just go about their regular
lives and aren't, as you know, in tune to this
as we are every single day. It's sort of a
sickness that we have. I'm sorry to say. I know
we do pay attention to this so much, but regular
people who have real lives to go and pursue and
(41:39):
don't pay attention to them a new ship. I hope
that it's freaking through and they and then I got
to believe that some of them look at Democrats do
it and just say, what in the world is in
these people's heads?
Speaker 1 (41:50):
I mean, you even had one of the big comedians,
who was it, someone Dylan that was on Fox last
night with Sean Handy.
Speaker 2 (41:59):
Someone was and he was like, if you can't make
a joke anymore, where have we come to? And this
is not like a conservative.
Speaker 1 (42:07):
This is someone who's just like, can we get back
to where we're kind of light hearted and the country
is fun again?
Speaker 2 (42:12):
I mean they are such fun crushers.
Speaker 3 (42:14):
Yeah, I know, Jerry Seinfeld won't perform on college campuses
because he says it's you can't make jokes, right.
Speaker 2 (42:19):
No, everybody is so sensitive.
Speaker 1 (42:21):
But those are the people who are the radical leftists,
and they're not getting married and they're not having relationships.
They have become so angry they can't even communicate with
their own friends.
Speaker 3 (42:34):
No, yeah, that's it. I mean they have every year
of publications like Slenna, We're going along here, publications like
Slate and you know, Huffington Post and The Daily Beast.
They always publish these things around Christmas and Thanksgiving. How
to talk to your uncle and all that stuff. They
are like it's encouraging the division, and like how to
(42:54):
treat your families like they're all mentally handicapped.
Speaker 2 (42:58):
Right exactly. Now, I know people that is for one.
Speaker 3 (43:02):
So you know what, you know what one business that's
going under because the left doesn't buy mirrors anymore because
they certainly don't look in them.
Speaker 1 (43:10):
That's that's absolutely true. Yeah, self reflection is no longer
a thing, not a thing. Well, Tim Murta, I always
enjoy having you on. Thank you for coming on.
Speaker 3 (43:19):
That was fantastic, Tutor, Thank you very much, and congratulations
and on the success of this show and much more
of it.
Speaker 2 (43:26):
So thank you, thank you.
Speaker 1 (43:27):
I appreciate it, and thank you all for listening to
the Tutor Dixon Podcast for this episode and others. You
can go to Tutor Dixon podcast dot com, the iHeartRadio app,
Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts and join
us next time.
Speaker 2 (43:38):
I have a blessed day.
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