March 31, 2025 • 15 mins
Altadena is California’s first Black middle-class community. We explore how Black families came here during the Great Migration, battled redlining, and fought for homeownership despite systemic barriers. Redlining kept Black families west of Lake Avenue, limiting their ability to build generational wealth—but they carved out a thriving, self-sustaining community. We also hear from actor Henry Sanders, best known for his role in Ava DuVernay's Queen Sugar, who shares how the acting community came together to support him after he lost his Altadena home.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Altadena isn't just a neighborhood. It's California's first black middle
class community. Since the early nineteen hundreds, black families have
built their lives there, creating a space to raise families,
establish businesses, and build generational wealth.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
During the Great Migration.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
Millions of African Americans left the Jim Crow South seeking
opportunity and refuge from systemic racism and economic hardship.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
For many, Altadena became that.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Refuge, one of the few places in California where black
families had a real shot at home ownership.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
But that opportunity came with barriers.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
To understand how black families ended up in Altadena and
why so many of their homes were lost in the
Eaton fire, we have to go back back to the
nineteen thirties. During that time, the federal government, through the
Homeowner's Loan Corporation, created a system to assess neighborhoods for
mortgage lending. On the surface, it was meant to help
(01:05):
banks determine where it was safe to approve loans, but
in reality, it was a tool for segregation. The Homeowner's
Loan Corporation ranked neighborhoods using a color coded system The
best areas marked in green were the white, wealthy neighborhoods
considered desirable. The worst areas marked in red were the
(01:26):
black and immigrant communities labeled as high risk. This is
where the term red lighting comes from. If your neighborhood
was outlined in red, you couldn't get a mortgage, you
couldn't buy a home, you couldn't build wealth.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
You were locked out.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
By the nineteen forties and fifties, black families began moving
into Altadena, mainly settling in West Auttadena, the only area
where real estate agents would sell to them. They found
a tight knit community, started businesses, and began laying down roots,
but the restrictions remained. Banks refused their loan applications, and
(02:07):
even if a black family somehow managed to buy a
home outside the redline zone, white neighbors often responded in hostility,
putting up for sale signs, staging protests, and even harassing
black homeowners until they left. Despite these challenges, black families
in out Tadena fought back. By the nineteen sixties, civil
(02:29):
rights activism was gaining momentum. In Los Angeles. Protests, legal battles,
and community organizing put pressure on the real estates industries
racist policies. Then, in nineteen sixty eight, the Fair Housing
Act was passed, making it illegal to deny housing based
on race. On paper, redlining was over, but in reality,
(02:53):
the damage had already been done. Decades of discrimination meant
black homeowners in out tod had fewer resources, faced higher
interest rates, and were often left out of opportunities to
build generation of wealth. Yet they still managed to create
one of the most successful black middle class communities.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
In the country.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
And now, in a matter of hours, that community was devastated.
The Eaton fire didn't just destroy homes, it threatens to
erase history. An eighty six year old Robert Childs knows
that fight all too well. Decades ago, his family faced
redlining in Pasadena, forcing him to find a new home
(03:35):
in Altadena, and as a flame swallowed the home that
had been in his family for nearly sixty years, Robert
wasn't there. He was just a few miles away at
the Rose Bowl working security at the very command center
set up to battle the fire. Meanwhile, his son Jeff
Child stayed behind doing everything he could to save their home.
(04:00):
Mimi Brown And in this series you'll hear stories told
firsthand by the people who live them. These are their stories,
their memories and their truth. This is to Alta Dina
with love. Meet Robert and Jeff Childs.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
Find my dad's house. See God's hands right now.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
Well, actually I moved there in probably nineteen sixty nine.
Speaker 5 (04:31):
I was probably only.
Speaker 4 (04:33):
Two blacks on the neighborhood, and I'm ready my two
kids there. At the time they were doing the busting.
They was bust there over to Cia Madre and I
worked for the City of Pasadena from forty forty five
forty six years.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
Fellow smoke coming out.
Speaker 6 (04:51):
I paid thirty three thousand dollars worth what now probably
two million, was worth two million.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
We were going to buy halcover and Hicky Bread.
Speaker 7 (05:00):
And at the time they didn't have blacks over here,
and there was a petition sign that kept up out
of Hastings Vance.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
It's like, no, you guys, black came.
Speaker 8 (05:11):
Over over here.
Speaker 6 (05:12):
This is the truth got true. The house that I
was going to purchase, the white folks bought it up
about the house so I couldn't get that.
Speaker 7 (05:21):
We ended up finding the house over there in Alta
Dinna on Alta Vista, and it turned out to be
a greater blessing than the house in Hayston's Vancher.
Speaker 6 (05:29):
Now that was back getting sixties sixty seven.
Speaker 7 (05:35):
I get to my dad's street and I could see
the backyard. There's a like a divider type of breast
fence that separates my dad's house from the house behind him,
and it's on fire.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
So I told my dad. My dad was literally actually
at work.
Speaker 7 (05:57):
He runs the back gate to roade war and the
command post was at the road boat. So he tells me, hey,
go in the house and see if I can open
up the garage door to get his callac out of
the garage.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
So I do that, and uh, but I couldn't lift
the garage door. For some reason, he wouldn't open.
Speaker 6 (06:19):
I told him how to open the garage though, because
there wasn't no power, so he was from Ramber garage.
Though eventually him and the friend got it up.
Speaker 5 (06:29):
So I had a I bring this two thousand Cadillac DTS.
Speaker 6 (06:32):
They saved that.
Speaker 7 (06:34):
So the back porch area was completely in gulf. So
I see a fire truck. I hear a fire truck
come in and I'm like, oh wow, fire truck coming.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
Up the hill.
Speaker 7 (06:46):
I don't know who caught him if I flagged him down,
and they looked wicked feet on the backside of the
house with a fire. So there's too fire hiding. They
tried to hook up too fire hiding.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
No water came out the water. It's like there's that.
Speaker 7 (07:07):
Had there been water when they hooked up, they were
time enough to knock whatever was going on on the
fire the house and maybe posably, you know, minimize the damage.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
And then next thing you know, the whole house is
front up, the front door. I got the house.
Speaker 7 (07:30):
It's so hot, rochine to sit there and walk the
fire and not be able to do anything about it
and not be able to put any water. And I
don't know what happened to The water's gone.
Speaker 6 (07:44):
The house was paid for us. So but that's not
the point. The memory of the stuff that I had
in there, I had just you know, hard to say. Actually,
my wife had just passed. We just buried her August.
I was twenty four. This she here, it's the double
whomy for me. Double why.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Making spaghetti today?
Speaker 5 (08:10):
So missus Murray, I would say, Sunday we always have
Sunday dinner, and uh Sunday at dinner we invite everybody
all the kids, even though they live way out. That
was my basic thing, and I won't be able to
sit on my patio with my little dog. We used
to sit on the patio and watch people go by
(08:30):
walking their dog. We had a walking trail right over
my balcony and I had my little dog. Ket I said, well,
we won't be here to set up there anymore heartbreaking
dinner kitchen.
Speaker 7 (08:47):
You know what, with Dennis Throne, we're gonna rebuild. We're
not selling our landing, We're not selling our property. I'll
see where the chips phone. If I'm on the river,
be there or just relocate. I'm not sure right now.
I don't know if I want to live in the
mountain or not near the mountain. Yeah, I don't think
(09:08):
I want to go back there. Too many memories.
Speaker 6 (09:10):
Maybe you know, Okay, I would be on there, and
I think I would relocate.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
As the recent fires in the Los Angeles area has
taught us, fire does not discriminate. It consumes everything in
its path, striking the rich and the poor, the old
and the young, the famous and the forgotten. Henry Sanders
knows this firsthand. You might remember him from the movie
Selma or as proper Denton from Aver DuVernay's Queen Sugar.
(09:41):
He's part of a long and rich tradition of black
actors like Sherman Hemsley, Ruby Dee and her husband Ozzie Davis,
who once called Alta Dina home. But on January seventh,
everything changed. As the flames closed in. Henry and his
family had no choice but to flee. His son, his granddaughter,
(10:02):
and his mother in law who's in a wheelchair, all
escaped with their lives.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
But not much else.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
Their home, their memories, the light they built in Altadena gone.
Meet Henry Sanders.
Speaker 8 (10:19):
You know, the first start you have is the things
that you didn't take out. You know, It's like, oh,
maybe I should have listened to the warning, and maybe
I should have done this, and all these babies and
it's you know, and the reality was I didn't and
what has happened has happened. And I'm old enough to
(10:44):
gone through tragedies before, you know, the first time, you
kind of fall apart and you start to make mistakes.
I know, a family depended on me to kind of
hold it together. So I've been there for almost thirty years.
Kids grew up there. There's been fires, at Eaton Canyon before,
(11:08):
so we didn't quite think it would get as far
west as it did. The wind was blowing. They were
saying that eighty to ninety miles an hour wind that
would be blowing. Still not thinking it would really affect
us because we were, you know, several miles west. My
(11:28):
mother in law, who's night in in a wheelchair. My
nieces came up when they first heard about it, and
with my wife and my granddaughter and my nieces, they
managed to get my mother in law out. My son
and I doubly stick around, and I was jokingly saying, well,
I'll get the water holes and you know, and I'll
(11:51):
hose it down. The power was out, so we stuck
around in about two thirty in the morning. My son
was saying, the smoke is here, I can see the flames.
It's time to go. My neighbor's tree was on fire.
(12:12):
The sparks were coming across the street. The smoke was
getting thick, and we live on a one way street
so you could barely see. And we got up to
Loma Alta and there were two cars on fire and
who were getting there? And we finally got out to
(12:32):
far Oaks and were able to get down the hill
and you could see the flames behind us. We thought, okay,
you know we're not gonna be able to go back
up there. We'll find a place to stay. Well that
was impossible because people had all the motels and hotels booked.
We went to Arcadia, we went to Monroe Via, we
(12:55):
went to down here. I was heading the burbank. My
son was saying, you know, we just driving in circles.
So I had went back to there's a shopping center
over in Hastings Ranch off of Foothill, and there's a
gas station that I used before. So there were people
(13:15):
there at the gas stations, used in the bathroom, and
they were saying, we can't find a place to stay
the night. So we're over in the parking lot sleeping
in our cars. So come over and join us. We
in the parking lot over there until about eight o'clock
and my granddaughter called. She said, well, I'm in Hollywood
(13:38):
at Hampton Inn and there's space there. So that's where
we ended up. What was really nice is Able contacted
me about three days after I guess three or four
days after this happened, and said, you know, what can
I do a day after that. I don't know if
(13:58):
she called Coleman and what she did, but Coleman called
me and he said, look, I'm going to be in
London doing this project for a few months. If you
guys want, you can use my house. We've had a
lot of love and support just from around and mainly
(14:20):
the GoFundMe that even my nieces put together. It was overwhelming.
I'm trying to be as efficient as possible, and I
signed up for this clean up process that the state
is offering. Even Edison is done as slowly admit that
(14:40):
they're responsible for this fire. So there's a lawsuit against Edison,
and the attorney is saying, you know, it could take
anywhere from eighteen months to two years.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
I don't want to wait that long.
Speaker 8 (14:55):
So a little numbing I haven't really allowed myself because
I know from the experience that sometimes in tragedy, when
you have tragedy, your mind is just all over the
place in your prone to make mistakes. Doesn't do either
(15:16):
one of us any good. To just kind of say, oh,
it happened, and you know what am I going to do?
You got to do something.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
To OUTA Dina with Love was recorded, produced and edited
by me Mimi Brown. For more content including behind the
scenes videos, photos, and exclusive interviews, follow us on social media.
You can find me at Memi Brown TV on all
platforms and follow to outa Dina with Love for more
(15:48):
stories from the people who live them.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
I me Me Brown.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
This is to out to Dina with Love. See you
next time.
Altadena isn't just a neighborhood. It's California's first black middle
class community. Since the early nineteen hundreds, black families have
built their lives there, creating a space to raise families,
establish businesses, and build generational wealth.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
During the Great Migration.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
Millions of African Americans left the Jim Crow South seeking
opportunity and refuge from systemic racism and economic hardship.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
For many, Altadena became that.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Refuge, one of the few places in California where black
families had a real shot at home ownership.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
But that opportunity came with barriers.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
To understand how black families ended up in Altadena and
why so many of their homes were lost in the
Eaton fire, we have to go back back to the
nineteen thirties. During that time, the federal government, through the
Homeowner's Loan Corporation, created a system to assess neighborhoods for
mortgage lending. On the surface, it was meant to help
(01:05):
banks determine where it was safe to approve loans, but
in reality, it was a tool for segregation. The Homeowner's
Loan Corporation ranked neighborhoods using a color coded system The
best areas marked in green were the white, wealthy neighborhoods
considered desirable. The worst areas marked in red were the
(01:26):
black and immigrant communities labeled as high risk. This is
where the term red lighting comes from. If your neighborhood
was outlined in red, you couldn't get a mortgage, you
couldn't buy a home, you couldn't build wealth.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
You were locked out.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
By the nineteen forties and fifties, black families began moving
into Altadena, mainly settling in West Auttadena, the only area
where real estate agents would sell to them. They found
a tight knit community, started businesses, and began laying down roots,
but the restrictions remained. Banks refused their loan applications, and
(02:07):
even if a black family somehow managed to buy a
home outside the redline zone, white neighbors often responded in hostility,
putting up for sale signs, staging protests, and even harassing
black homeowners until they left. Despite these challenges, black families
in out Tadena fought back. By the nineteen sixties, civil
(02:29):
rights activism was gaining momentum. In Los Angeles. Protests, legal battles,
and community organizing put pressure on the real estates industries
racist policies. Then, in nineteen sixty eight, the Fair Housing
Act was passed, making it illegal to deny housing based
on race. On paper, redlining was over, but in reality,
(02:53):
the damage had already been done. Decades of discrimination meant
black homeowners in out tod had fewer resources, faced higher
interest rates, and were often left out of opportunities to
build generation of wealth. Yet they still managed to create
one of the most successful black middle class communities.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
In the country.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
And now, in a matter of hours, that community was devastated.
The Eaton fire didn't just destroy homes, it threatens to
erase history. An eighty six year old Robert Childs knows
that fight all too well. Decades ago, his family faced
redlining in Pasadena, forcing him to find a new home
(03:35):
in Altadena, and as a flame swallowed the home that
had been in his family for nearly sixty years, Robert
wasn't there. He was just a few miles away at
the Rose Bowl working security at the very command center
set up to battle the fire. Meanwhile, his son Jeff
Child stayed behind doing everything he could to save their home.
(04:00):
Mimi Brown And in this series you'll hear stories told
firsthand by the people who live them. These are their stories,
their memories and their truth. This is to Alta Dina
with love. Meet Robert and Jeff Childs.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
Find my dad's house. See God's hands right now.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
Well, actually I moved there in probably nineteen sixty nine.
Speaker 5 (04:31):
I was probably only.
Speaker 4 (04:33):
Two blacks on the neighborhood, and I'm ready my two
kids there. At the time they were doing the busting.
They was bust there over to Cia Madre and I
worked for the City of Pasadena from forty forty five
forty six years.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
Fellow smoke coming out.
Speaker 6 (04:51):
I paid thirty three thousand dollars worth what now probably
two million, was worth two million.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
We were going to buy halcover and Hicky Bread.
Speaker 7 (05:00):
And at the time they didn't have blacks over here,
and there was a petition sign that kept up out
of Hastings Vance.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
It's like, no, you guys, black came.
Speaker 8 (05:11):
Over over here.
Speaker 6 (05:12):
This is the truth got true. The house that I
was going to purchase, the white folks bought it up
about the house so I couldn't get that.
Speaker 7 (05:21):
We ended up finding the house over there in Alta
Dinna on Alta Vista, and it turned out to be
a greater blessing than the house in Hayston's Vancher.
Speaker 6 (05:29):
Now that was back getting sixties sixty seven.
Speaker 7 (05:35):
I get to my dad's street and I could see
the backyard. There's a like a divider type of breast
fence that separates my dad's house from the house behind him,
and it's on fire.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
So I told my dad. My dad was literally actually
at work.
Speaker 7 (05:57):
He runs the back gate to roade war and the
command post was at the road boat. So he tells me, hey,
go in the house and see if I can open
up the garage door to get his callac out of
the garage.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
So I do that, and uh, but I couldn't lift
the garage door. For some reason, he wouldn't open.
Speaker 6 (06:19):
I told him how to open the garage though, because
there wasn't no power, so he was from Ramber garage.
Though eventually him and the friend got it up.
Speaker 5 (06:29):
So I had a I bring this two thousand Cadillac DTS.
Speaker 6 (06:32):
They saved that.
Speaker 7 (06:34):
So the back porch area was completely in gulf. So
I see a fire truck. I hear a fire truck
come in and I'm like, oh wow, fire truck coming.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
Up the hill.
Speaker 7 (06:46):
I don't know who caught him if I flagged him down,
and they looked wicked feet on the backside of the
house with a fire. So there's too fire hiding. They
tried to hook up too fire hiding.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
No water came out the water. It's like there's that.
Speaker 7 (07:07):
Had there been water when they hooked up, they were
time enough to knock whatever was going on on the
fire the house and maybe posably, you know, minimize the damage.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
And then next thing you know, the whole house is
front up, the front door. I got the house.
Speaker 7 (07:30):
It's so hot, rochine to sit there and walk the
fire and not be able to do anything about it
and not be able to put any water. And I
don't know what happened to The water's gone.
Speaker 6 (07:44):
The house was paid for us. So but that's not
the point. The memory of the stuff that I had
in there, I had just you know, hard to say. Actually,
my wife had just passed. We just buried her August.
I was twenty four. This she here, it's the double
whomy for me. Double why.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Making spaghetti today?
Speaker 5 (08:10):
So missus Murray, I would say, Sunday we always have
Sunday dinner, and uh Sunday at dinner we invite everybody
all the kids, even though they live way out. That
was my basic thing, and I won't be able to
sit on my patio with my little dog. We used
to sit on the patio and watch people go by
(08:30):
walking their dog. We had a walking trail right over
my balcony and I had my little dog. Ket I said, well,
we won't be here to set up there anymore heartbreaking
dinner kitchen.
Speaker 7 (08:47):
You know what, with Dennis Throne, we're gonna rebuild. We're
not selling our landing, We're not selling our property. I'll
see where the chips phone. If I'm on the river,
be there or just relocate. I'm not sure right now.
I don't know if I want to live in the
mountain or not near the mountain. Yeah, I don't think
(09:08):
I want to go back there. Too many memories.
Speaker 6 (09:10):
Maybe you know, Okay, I would be on there, and
I think I would relocate.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
As the recent fires in the Los Angeles area has
taught us, fire does not discriminate. It consumes everything in
its path, striking the rich and the poor, the old
and the young, the famous and the forgotten. Henry Sanders
knows this firsthand. You might remember him from the movie
Selma or as proper Denton from Aver DuVernay's Queen Sugar.
(09:41):
He's part of a long and rich tradition of black
actors like Sherman Hemsley, Ruby Dee and her husband Ozzie Davis,
who once called Alta Dina home. But on January seventh,
everything changed. As the flames closed in. Henry and his
family had no choice but to flee. His son, his granddaughter,
(10:02):
and his mother in law who's in a wheelchair, all
escaped with their lives.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
But not much else.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
Their home, their memories, the light they built in Altadena gone.
Meet Henry Sanders.
Speaker 8 (10:19):
You know, the first start you have is the things
that you didn't take out. You know, It's like, oh,
maybe I should have listened to the warning, and maybe
I should have done this, and all these babies and
it's you know, and the reality was I didn't and
what has happened has happened. And I'm old enough to
(10:44):
gone through tragedies before, you know, the first time, you
kind of fall apart and you start to make mistakes.
I know, a family depended on me to kind of
hold it together. So I've been there for almost thirty years.
Kids grew up there. There's been fires, at Eaton Canyon before,
(11:08):
so we didn't quite think it would get as far
west as it did. The wind was blowing. They were
saying that eighty to ninety miles an hour wind that
would be blowing. Still not thinking it would really affect
us because we were, you know, several miles west. My
(11:28):
mother in law, who's night in in a wheelchair. My
nieces came up when they first heard about it, and
with my wife and my granddaughter and my nieces, they
managed to get my mother in law out. My son
and I doubly stick around, and I was jokingly saying, well,
I'll get the water holes and you know, and I'll
(11:51):
hose it down. The power was out, so we stuck
around in about two thirty in the morning. My son
was saying, the smoke is here, I can see the flames.
It's time to go. My neighbor's tree was on fire.
(12:12):
The sparks were coming across the street. The smoke was
getting thick, and we live on a one way street
so you could barely see. And we got up to
Loma Alta and there were two cars on fire and
who were getting there? And we finally got out to
(12:32):
far Oaks and were able to get down the hill
and you could see the flames behind us. We thought, okay,
you know we're not gonna be able to go back
up there. We'll find a place to stay. Well that
was impossible because people had all the motels and hotels booked.
We went to Arcadia, we went to Monroe Via, we
(12:55):
went to down here. I was heading the burbank. My
son was saying, you know, we just driving in circles.
So I had went back to there's a shopping center
over in Hastings Ranch off of Foothill, and there's a
gas station that I used before. So there were people
(13:15):
there at the gas stations, used in the bathroom, and
they were saying, we can't find a place to stay
the night. So we're over in the parking lot sleeping
in our cars. So come over and join us. We
in the parking lot over there until about eight o'clock
and my granddaughter called. She said, well, I'm in Hollywood
(13:38):
at Hampton Inn and there's space there. So that's where
we ended up. What was really nice is Able contacted
me about three days after I guess three or four
days after this happened, and said, you know, what can
I do a day after that. I don't know if
(13:58):
she called Coleman and what she did, but Coleman called
me and he said, look, I'm going to be in
London doing this project for a few months. If you
guys want, you can use my house. We've had a
lot of love and support just from around and mainly
(14:20):
the GoFundMe that even my nieces put together. It was overwhelming.
I'm trying to be as efficient as possible, and I
signed up for this clean up process that the state
is offering. Even Edison is done as slowly admit that
(14:40):
they're responsible for this fire. So there's a lawsuit against Edison,
and the attorney is saying, you know, it could take
anywhere from eighteen months to two years.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
I don't want to wait that long.
Speaker 8 (14:55):
So a little numbing I haven't really allowed myself because
I know from the experience that sometimes in tragedy, when
you have tragedy, your mind is just all over the
place in your prone to make mistakes. Doesn't do either
(15:16):
one of us any good. To just kind of say, oh,
it happened, and you know what am I going to do?
You got to do something.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
To OUTA Dina with Love was recorded, produced and edited
by me Mimi Brown. For more content including behind the
scenes videos, photos, and exclusive interviews, follow us on social media.
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