June 2, 2025 • 37 mins
Giveon Gets Real About Love, Heartbreak, The Truth Behind His Music 👀💔 + More
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
What's up this way up? But Angela yee and this
is a blessing. Let me tell you something. It is
so exciting to have giby On here with us today.
You just had some huge announcements time. It was perfect because.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Perfect on the way, is it right before you walked
in here?
Speaker 3 (00:18):
Yes, I announced my my sophomore album July eleven, I
love it beloved.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
And we saw the promos because I was watching yesterday
and so I was trying to interpret it when it
came out of you know what, what is this like
this trailer where you're writing a letter? Yeah, and so
I guess this album we're gonna get more of a fail.
There's two singles out now, which we'll talk about. But
I was talking to Dan.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
I was like, what do you think this means? Like
we were.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
I was like, okay, he's in the phone booth, he's
making a phone call. The person's not answering. His interpretation
was that you felt like you were kind of alone
doing this. I also looked at it, all these microphones
in your face. I said, clearly, he don't like do interviews.
I want you to kind of break it down for
us because I'm going to see if we're both right, Well, I.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
Want to try to break it down in a way
where I don't give too much okay away, because I
do love the idea of like leaving stuff up for interpretation.
But if I had to be direct, there was so
I touched on me in the booth, and that was
also just like a simple trying to reach out to
(01:30):
no avail, but that could be to a person. That
could be me trying to make something to connect with someone,
and sometimes it miss or they don't because it didn't
really say that no one was picking up. It just
cut before they pick up. So it's like there's still
time for.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
Someone, but there's a cigarette burning, so someone's not too.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
Far like freshly burning. So it's like in the mics
and the flashes, is that is like my relationship with
all of this because it does get to a point
and they could but it's grateful. It's like it's a
it's a it's a balance because it's I appreciate it,
but also it could get overwhelming sometimes if it's like
(02:11):
something's not ready and people's like where is it right? Yeah,
but that's also a double meaning for relationships too, Like
sometimes it was like I was in something and I
wasn't ready for it, and I was being in your
twenties exactly, and it was like being forced out of me.
So it's it's a lot of that.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Oh okay, I like it.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
Well, it looks beautiful. It very you know, just the
look of it though, it is amazing. I want to
ask you, because I know that you write all your music,
how involved like with the visuals?
Speaker 2 (02:42):
How hands on are you with that part of it?
Speaker 3 (02:44):
Yeah? So I have I have an amazing team who
has tastes and who knows how to I guess, execute
whatever ideas I have. So it's just like even with
that the trailer, I was just heavily influenced by film
now wir. It's just like black and white, certain frames,
(03:04):
shadow work. So then they would they were able to
pick that up and put it through my filter and
make it makes sense for me. So sometimes I'll just
have like something vague that I'm just moved by, and
I'll be like, I want to do something like this,
and they'll break down what that is and what it
looks like to even do it. So it's a it's
a it's a group effort, but I'm definitely involved with
how I want the story to be portrayed.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
I saw you also had a five year anniversary for
your first EP.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
Yeah, that is.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Amazing that it's been.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Five years a minute already. It don't even feel like
it right.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
It flew by especially. I think we also lost a
couple of years the pandemic, the pandemic, and I was
dropping every year, like I dropped something in twenty twenty,
twenty twenty one, twenty twenty two. And that's why I
was just like the last three years I spent working
on this.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
I saw you said, like over a thousand days.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
Yeah, like real, please with me. So it's just like
like I could give you, I could give them something
half baked whenever, but it's just like it's a I
hope people appreciate the time it takes into making something.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
Yeah, even thinking about how you put out that first
project and it was a pandemic in twenty twenty, and
how did that affect things for you?
Speaker 3 (04:17):
Well, luckily I was just like brand new and I
was fresh, so there wasn't It was kind of low
risk because that was my my my introduction. So I
was still in a building phase versus me having this
large core fan base and they doesn't even reach them
because of whatever's going on. Right, And we also had
(04:38):
the ideology that like people gonna be.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
At home, Yeah, people at home listening.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
Yeah, And it's not like I'm making like club anthems
and stuff like that. I'm making music where you have
to listen to the lyrics.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
And a lot of people broke up during that time too, Yeah, because.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
They start I didn't even think about that. Yeah, because
they start spending more time with people than they used to.
You're not going to work, y'all just in each other
face all day.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
What were you doing during that time time?
Speaker 3 (05:02):
I was like in between being single and being in relationships.
But I also took that time to just develop as
a writer. I was just making music, making music instead
trying to stay out the way, and I was doing
like like live college performances on like zoom.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
It was weird, and making money from home.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
But that was like before I went on tour.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
That has to be a weird feeling too, because it's
before you went.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
Yeah, and artists usually their first usually because of the
expenses and everything, usually lose money.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
Yeah, you're spending money to go on to it because
it's promo.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
Yeah, So if I was getting paid to go at home,
they have to convince me, like, all right, now I'm
going tour.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
I was like, for real, zoom from home.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
And I'm like, wait, why am I going on tour?
And I'm like in the red and it's I just
didn't understand it because I was new. But then once
and I haven't toured my own tour at that point,
but then seeing the faces, hearing them singing, it's just crazy.
It's like when in the NBA whenever playing in the
bubble versus actual arena, it's like way different.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Yeah, that bubble was hard for people, even yeah, even
going to see comedians. I went to some drive up
comedy shows so they couldn't hear your reaction because everybody's
in their car listening.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Yeah that's different and beat.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
The horn to laugh.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
It was you know, yeah, but it does make you
appreciate the experience more because I think after that, it
was like I got to make sure I value these
relationships and face, you know face. But it also helped
us realize you don't have to be in person for meetings. Now,
I'm like, we can't just do a phone call because
everybody wants to zoom.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
Right, everyone wants to zoom, but I also miss the
idea of just being in the room and being around people.
And that was a weird time too, because I'll be
zooming zooming is that what people call it. I just
said that I'll be on zoom and then I'll meet
somebody and I'll be like, nice to see you again.
It's like, no, we never met. Yeah, oh I thought
I met, So that was that was a crazy But
(07:00):
I was happy to be like the soundtrack for it
because a lot of people when they hear certain songs,
they were like, I remember during the pandemic.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
Man, listen up here at iHeart, we played your music
so much. It was literally like every hour. And that's
not a very usual thing for a new artist, you know.
It's not something that normally would happen. That's like, okay,
new Beyonce, We're gonna play this every hour, new you know,
But for you, it was like literally constant rotation.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
That's how much people were feeling you.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
I loved that. I get so much love and support
from iHeart. I have an award at home from them.
I think it was like best new Artists, the best
New R and B one of these well deserved.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
I'm gonna tell you, it's definitely very.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
Real, and you have such an unusual story because of
your talent. Just even the way when you first came
out that people were hearing about you going on tour
with like a snow Allegra and not even having full projects.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
It's crazy.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
Yeah, I think she was just like she really was
a fan of just my voice, and it was just
she was just like, I gotta have you here somehow.
And I opened for so it was me another artist
and then so no, and I didn't have any music,
so I dropped the song the day up tour freestyle, Yeah, exactly,
(08:18):
but it was it was like I want you. I
have a song called like I Want You, done a
drop and then I did an unreleased song and not
on a cover, but I still had time left in
my set, so I was like, oh, I'm a just
freestyle in East City and Chicago was the first city.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
Do you know how unusual that is? Like the way
that a lot of things have transpired for you.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
Yeah, And it's like it's kind of catching up now
in the sense of there's a lot of steps I
skipped that I wish I didn't skip, because I was
just able to I would have been able to learn
certain things or navigate certain things, which I still can,
but I just got to go backwards.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
Like what because I know you were discovered basically on SoundCloud,
not a lot of views on the SoundCloud, and got
signed off of that, which is like, come on, that
doesn't normally happen.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
They wanted me to go and perform live at a
rehearsal studio to make sure my voice was real.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
Your voice, I'm not gonna lie in the music. Your
voice don't sound real until this is how you really do.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
Yeah, And I would get that for so long and
I was just like, I love it too, because it's
like that means it's unique and it's distinctive.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
You know how sometimes a new song comes out and
you hear it and you're like it could be this person,
this person or this person. We know your voice, and
so when you put something out, it's distinctively like oh okay,
no one sounds like you.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
Yeah. And I don't like the idea of everybody trying
to sound the same because then we all just making
the same music.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
Right, So how important is writing for you? Because I
know collaboration is important too. Yeah, but what's the balance
with that.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
I think it's extremely vital to my authenticity. But that's right,
I don't like writing. I really I almost write because
I have to to get it out. But it it's
a it takes a lot out of me because I'm
going back to specific places and I'm literally visualizing it
(10:11):
and it's like I'm almost reliving those feelings and emotions again.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
And then performing it then too, then performing it.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
Yeah, I don't really like like writing that much because
it's it's like, yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
But you think that it's you think you could with
the same emotion, sing and experience that's not yours.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
Me personally, No, I can't because you'll you'll hear it.
By the way I deliver it, it's just not the
same because I'm visualizing like when I when I'm saying,
and especially for my new album, it's a The vocal
delivery is like it's levels above my last album.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Wow. Okay, so you feel like you've outdone yourself?
Speaker 3 (10:50):
Oh yeah, yeah, I've out done I've obliterated myself. I
think like I've destroyed anything I've made before this.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
I love that.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
So the first two songs already are smashes let's talk
about twenties, Okay, okay, because in your twenties, you know,
I feel like that's the thing that we all say.
But I'm gonna be honest, I haven't heard men say
that as much as I've heard women say that that
I've wasted like all these years.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
Yeah, it's kind of mean, like some stuff, if it
comes from a certain person, it's kind of like, why
you say that, don't say that. But it's like, I mean, yeah,
time is time. You could write the same song and
say the same thing, right, But I mean, I don't
know if people will hear it, because they'll probably hear
(11:35):
this one already. But it's just like, you know, I
think point of view is important, and I was just
like even a state of R and B, it's we
have so much point of view from just the women's side.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Yeah, I think men try to act unemotional.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
I don't know why.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
You know, it's very few men that you could listen
to and he's talking about the heartbreak that he went through,
or I wasted my time with her, or even you know,
just rather be with you than someone new. I felt
like women stay in relationships a lot because of that,
and we talk about it, and men do it, but
they don't express it.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
Yeah, because I know, I know a couple. I got
a couple of homies who were probably in something he
had no business being in.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
But it's just like, do y'all talk about it?
Speaker 1 (12:23):
Because I also felt like as women, we like talk
about it, talk about it non stop.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
We'll talk about it with me in the studio, okay
for the sake of this just the music, but like
outside of the studio, I don't think we necessarily talk
about it. But that's one thing I want to push
to the forefront. Like I'm not numbing my emotions. I'm
not suppressing my emotions. I'm sensitive and emotional. So I
(12:51):
just want to make that more of a thing. Yeah,
I was just like a masculine thing too. It's not
just it's also not healthy.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
Toy, You're right.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
So it's just like men, y'all need to y'all need
to cry a little more. We need to cry a
little more.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
So it's interesting that in the studio you guys would
discuss real things because you're writing music, and so did
you film any of that stuff?
Speaker 2 (13:13):
Because I feel like.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
I have like voice, no voice, yeah, but like video, Yeah,
I have some of it too, but sometimes I can't.
I'll have to like it'll get too unfiltered and somebody
ended up start talking crazy about something.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
I'm like, bro, you don't want to put it out,
but I.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
Know, but I would love to put it out so
people could be like fly on the wall, yeah, or
have what's the name coming here and do it the guy.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
We was just talking about before, oh Ralp mcdanney, Yeah,
maybe chop it up for me listen. I think things
like that are powerful because I love that you said that,
because I do feel like for men, there's not enough spaces.
You know, we hear like the breakup songs. It's never
really like back in the day, it was kind of
like that. Remember haroldm Moving in the blue notes I
Miss You. He's like crying on the song Oh My.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
Ever Away like Teddy was, he.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
Was just drinking, drinking.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
And I pulled from just this next album. I pulled
from that energy too. Just the delivery is just like,
oh man, because sometimes I'll be listening to Tuddy and
I was like, he ain't even singing.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
Yeah, he just he's telling you.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
He's just talking and yelling it. But it feels like
it's just raw passion and raw emotion, and that's just
that's just what I'm That's the biggest takeaway that I
took from just like that era for this album.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
I think when I see a lot of people commenting
when they listen to your music, that they related it
so much to something that happened in their life.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
Yes, like that's like one of the biggest like things
that I see. I hear about my voice as well.
They love my voice, they love my tone, the velves
just velvety. But the biggest a lot of the I
guess notes and compliments come from my writing.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
Yeah, LOOKI makes us want to go through a breakup.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
Just feel what I'm feeling.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
I feel like everyone feels.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
But yeah, I do want to keep that emphasis on
male just emotion. Like also girls love it. Oh god,
I was loving emotional man. It's not too like unhings.
But it's like if you if you han't a long
day and you come to your lady and be like
I had a long day and just lay on her lot.
(15:36):
What she loves that She's gonna rub your head and
she's gonna be like, he feels safe with me.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
I want to now give you on Do you take
accountability for the things you do in relationships?
Speaker 3 (15:46):
Yeah, but I ain't gonna put it on WAD that's
another album.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
Because I feel like you're talking about some smooth things
that you have going on. It's making me be like, Okay,
he ain't just getting his heart broke. He's doing some
heartbreaking too.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
Yeah. But it's also I was just right like to
set it up. Yeah, but no, but I think it
was also so I just turned thirty like four months ago,
and people are asking me like, how does it feel
to be thirty now, I'm like, it feels the same,
but I can't if it hasn't felt exactly the same.
There's just a level of awareness. So whenever if I
(16:24):
was when I was in the wrong with something, I
genuinely didn't know any better, okay, like or I just
I just thought it. I wasn't aware of what I
was doing.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
Like in your twenties, like you said in the sound,
you were learning yourself yeah too.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
Yeah, yeah, And that's why I say six years going
down to drain, I guess I'm half to blame.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
Okay, that's accountability. You know, half of it is your.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
Fault, half of it it takes two.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
And you know, it's interesting because I feel like you've
been very private.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
People don't know, like what's going on.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
I haven't seen no girls like post on, you know,
and be like he did this to me. And somehow
you've managed to keep a lot of that under wraps people.
But people do get an idea, like through your music.
And it's interesting because I look at like Mary J.
Blige can't stand the fact that people want her to
keep getting her heart broke because they love the music
that she makes. When she's making those songs that are
(17:17):
about you know, this happens, this happened, this happened, and
we're like, oh my god, I love that song. Are
Tony Braxton having a classic album Amy Winehouse, Yeah, you
know all of those great songs come through from some
type of pain.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
Yeah. And it's just like, and I being in his position,
I understand that because sometimes it's like a it's therapeutic
when you're writing a song. So it's like you not
really writing or making something therapeutic when you're already feeling
good and when you're happy, like you lost in it.
But there is there is a way to add certain
(17:57):
I guess emotions and feelings that are not somber like
I don't. I don't know if I'll ever just write
like a I Love you song like that, and it
have to be through my way otherwise it'll feel just
like contrived and I'm making it so somebody could be like.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
Oh, this is a I love a wedding song, right
because songs, and you're like, oh, that's perfect for a wedding.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
Yeah, Like, I don't know how to make music for people.
I only know how to express myself, okay, and then
either people connect with it or they don't.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
What do you think it is like in relationships that,
like you said you were learning in your twenties, yeah right,
But what is it that like does hasn't connected?
Speaker 2 (18:37):
Like?
Speaker 1 (18:38):
What are some of the themes that you see and
things that haven't worked out for you?
Speaker 3 (18:45):
I grew up in a very I don't want to
say aggressive to make it seem like it was just
like a hard nosed, rough household. But I grew up
in a very masculine, overly assertive household. And you can't
(19:06):
talk to I mean, I'm sure you can't talk to
men like that, but you for show can't talk to
women like that. Even if it's like you feel like
you're right or you're a misunderstood. It's still there's just
a way to speak. So I think my lack of
communicating not lack of communicating because I wasn't saying anything
(19:27):
but my delivery. I think it always would get me
into a place where I'm just it'll make something bigger
than what it have to be.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
Give me an example, if it's like.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
If let's say I'm dating someone and she's like, she's like,
you didn't text me for before you went to bed
or something like that, and I genuinely would me knowing like,
(19:59):
oh I was, I was just tired. I fell asleep,
And if that's not enough, my bad, I'm sorry I
went to sleep. Then it's going to be like, well
you still could I'm like I would be like I
just said, like I just said, oh sorry, like why
am I Now we're about to go on the blo
and I'll just get riled up. But now I'll probably
(20:19):
be like like, we don't I understand where you're coming from,
but I'm sorry, I didn't mean it. Like It'll just
be a lot more and then that'll make her be like.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
Okay, maybe so maybe you get defensive.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
I would get defensive, and I would like, I would
get more annoyed because I know that I would get defensive.
So I'll try to.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
Tell you the truth. And you're like, I said this.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
I don't want to have to keep on explaining it
instead of saying, I know it's hard to date somebody
like me.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
And see, that's a good one. I'm sorry work went
late and work.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
Went late and so yes, but and you're right, it
is a lot of times delivery and communication because it
probably isn't easy to date somebody like you.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
No, no, but I know what would make it difficult,
And I think the main thing would be the delivery,
and because we wouldn't even get to that point if
my boundaries don't work for you. If so, I can
establish boundaries and be like, this is my schedule, this
is I don't I don't like texting, I really don't.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
You really don't you like voice notes? Thoff?
Speaker 3 (21:23):
I like voice notes?
Speaker 2 (21:24):
Or send me a voice note before.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
Well, let's just get on FaceTime. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
So it's just like, although FaceTime could be a thing
for women, sometimes we'd be like to get ready, Yeah,
I gotta get ready for FaceTime.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
The eye I'm like, where is your face?
Speaker 2 (21:39):
Look at the ceiling?
Speaker 3 (21:40):
While yeah, I'm like all right, so yeah, But I'm
also still finding the answers, and I also learn it
through songwriting. I'm still kind of navigating, like why doesn't.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
This work right?
Speaker 1 (21:53):
And look, let's bring that to the other song that
you have out from the new album Beloved, because I
love this song rather be but it is in a
way because I was trying to look at it from
both sides, because a lot of times we do feel
like that I'd rather be in this situation I'm comfortable
with being in even though this is not you tell
(22:16):
me your thoughts, because I look at it like sometimes
we stay in something that maybe we shouldn't because it's
better than the unknown.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
Yeah, for sure, and not uncertainty. But even as I grow,
I think I was writing that from a place of
whatever flaws that I'm happening in this one. It was
happening so many times that I'm just gonna be like, oh,
this is always gonna happen no matter what relationship.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
I mean, see, there's a thing that's how I'm saying,
what is it that is a common thing that you
see in things and relationships that don't work for you,
so it keeps on happening.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
At some point, I gotta be like, at some point,
I'm just like, wait, hold on, why is the same
thing happening? And then it could be hopeless about love,
like this ain't gonna ever work. And I think that's
like what thirty is about accountability.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
Okay, we like that, yea.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
And the album is called Beloved, and so, like we
said when we saw the trailer for the album, it's
a letter. So this is a letter to someone, Okay,
so break it, break it down a little for me.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
I know you don't like to give everything, but.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
I will say without giving it away. I wanted it
to feel like a letter to the listener, almost like
they're just this is what I've been going, this is
where I've been, and this is just here's the story
if you're wondering where I've been at. And it's also
I'm just a big fan on multiple of multiple meanings
(23:43):
as well, so Beloved, Beloved, it's like it's a lot
of it's a lot going.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
Okay, yeah, so tell me because I only have these
two songs, and I know we're tight live because July
eleventh is a date seven eleven. You can remember it
that way and you can pre order it now, right, Yes,
So kind of on this album, what's the because I
know everything you do has been very like kind of
tied together and cohesive. So with this album, what is
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it that we're seeing? You talk about growth and you're
saying you really outdone yourself. So what are some things
that we can see? Like, what are some of the differences.
What is some of the growth?
Speaker 3 (24:19):
I think immediately is the the sonics of the album.
Everything is played live. It's just all one band just
played the whole album, so you're going to hear that
that organic it's going to be. It's so soulful because
it's just raw and real. It was like jam sessions
and we were like, okay, that's the sound right there, Okay,
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and then I'll just I'll come and work on it.
So it's just like it flows in. I think my
vocal delivery is a really big thing. That's like I
just invoke the exact emotion of the song or whatever
it is that I'm talking about. And I think this
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is just a sound I've always been I've always wanted
to make, but I wasn't ready yet because one I
didn't have the taste that I want yet, and I
didn't have the experience.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
Ring fast for you, like you said.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
Exactly, so I didn't even get to sit back and
like process it. So I would. I remember trying to
make these song type of songs before and something wasn't connecting.
But it's because I wasn't singing from a real place.
It wasn't coming from like a real raw experience for real,
(25:35):
Like I have stories that I could try to have
that I can try to like I want to say,
pool from that experience, but no, I have to go
through that exact experience because when I'm singing, I'm visualizing
it happen, and I'm just like like if like if
I'm there's a song where my eyes are frowned up,
you can hear.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
That, yeah, oh I love that.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
Yeah, so I can hear that. You're be able to
hear my facial expressions and just like my body language
in the music.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
Yeah, I feel like I don't know people who are
really doing music like that now and the way that
you're expressing yourself.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
Yeah, I've also learned that it's difficult, and now I
don't know how many people can do that because it's
still it's a real craft that you have to work
on and build the taste and build up your vocal
ability as well.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
And you said it's been Obviously people have been waiting,
and it's a gift and a curse. Like you said,
people are, where's the album? What's going on? And obviously
they're anxious, And like you said, you put things out
every year, but then you took this break of putting
out a full album. So how many songs you must
have done? Are you the type of person that does
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a lot of songs and then.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
You have to figure around I love this question. I'm
not a vault artist. Okay, my album is fourteen songs.
I probably made like like seven. Oh wow, yeah, because
I just I love every single. I love everything I'm
making because it's I'm not making it until it's ready
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to go, like it has. It has to like pour
out of me. Otherwise I'm just like feel like I'm
pulling teeth like the twenties, rather be like them them
just those wrote themselves, right.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
It feels like it.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
And you know earlier you had with your project where
you it was kind of a letter to your mother
in a way, like with the voice notes to kind
of direct us along the way.
Speaker 3 (27:34):
It was that last album was just like a conversation
between me and her.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
So I want to ask you this, does your mom
hear the music? Like when do you send it to her?
Do you send her this song by song? Do you
wait till it's like I want you to listen to
the whole project?
Speaker 3 (27:48):
You know, it's funny this I asked, like my family
and my friends, and they like, before they want it,
but now they're like they've been fans of me, but
they are really fans of me, so they're like, no,
I don't want it. I don't want it yet. I
want to hear the album when it drops with everybody else,
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because they're like, give on fans.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
It's funny, that's great.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
Yeah, my mom is funny with her voice notes.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
And you're like, you're like she never thought that all
this was going to happen with her son either.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
Yeah, but I have a funny story about that because
she said that year one and I was like, that's
that's cute, mom, that's good. Here. Two, I'm like, yeah,
I can't believe this. You're three and four. I'm like,
all right, you and two, you're too shocked. Year five,
I'm like, what.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
What what are you trying to? Nothing? Surprised you?
Speaker 3 (28:41):
Yeah, She's like you, oh man, it's crazy.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
It's your mom.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
Like my mom, like she goes places and tells people
that you're her son.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
She she she learned real quick not to do.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
That, okay, because my parents would be calling me like, hey,
the person of the supermarket wants to say hi.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
I'm like, yea to hew, do they know who you are?
Speaker 3 (28:58):
Right? They like? Because people was like she didn't like
the attention, and I was like, yeah, you better stop.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
Yeah, because they will be like can you give your
son this?
Speaker 3 (29:07):
I sing too and right she I remember when it
was early, early she would be in the comments. I'm like,
you better get up out of there.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
Yeah, they're gonna follow you. They're gonna harass.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
They don't lose. The internet is.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
Just oh you don't want to be Yeah.
Speaker 3 (29:21):
She will try to like defend certain stuff.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
Oh yeah, that's the worst too, because you know they're looking. Still.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
She may not be, but she's still gonna look. And
sometimes things bother me because they see it more than
if I see it. I can give it, but they
see it and they get so bad as her kid.
Speaker 3 (29:36):
Talking about so it's probably like I'm just like, I
just laugh at her, like, don't you been not? But
she don't really check do.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
A lot of your music, even in the past come
so it comes from real things.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
So you were you engaged before?
Speaker 3 (29:49):
Oh? That one on Holy Matrimony.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
Oh that one?
Speaker 3 (29:56):
It was No, I wasn't engaged before, but I was
in a long thing that I was like consider stuff
and that was like pretty much writing a song about
like I would have had to because it ended before
an engagement. But it was like a I would have
had to end. I rather end the relationship boyfriend, girlfriend
(30:19):
than in like a marriage or I'm just like so
that was like a yo. Imagine if I felt like
this while I was married. I was just like, oh wow, what.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
Are your thought time? Marriage? Is that something that you're
like in the future? I do want to.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
Yeah, I love marriage. I think it's just like I
just have. My grandma and my grandpa were married for
like forty years, fifty years. Oh wow, Yeah, my uncle
uncle Tony Pepper married. Yeah. I grew up around marriage.
I will say I've seen a lot of marriages and there, yeah,
we all have. So it's just like it's tricky. I wouldn't.
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I would never be the type to be like, ye'all
should get married, because I'm like, it's hard.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
I support anybody that wants to get married, but I'm
not going to try to tell you what you need
to do.
Speaker 3 (31:08):
I'm also not big on telling anybody to do anything.
I'm just like, I don't do what you I don't care,
like I'm not paying your bills, I'm not feeding you,
I'm not doing anything. That's how I was raised. If
somebody not paying your bills at in your house, cleaning up,
why do they even hold any weight for what they
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have to say about what you can do for your life?
Speaker 1 (31:31):
Like what if one of your friends was about to
marry somebody and you didn't think they should.
Speaker 3 (31:34):
Oh, I'm gonna tell them or her. Nah, it depends.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
You'd be like, listen to this song.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
Yeah, no, it depends what you're from it. Because I've
been in situations where I'm like, people don't play about that, yeah,
like they don't play. Some people were like you think,
so okay, I won't like nah, I don't think it
works like that. It's gonna be Yeah, they gonna get
(32:03):
married anyway. And then there's gonna be like a you
don't like them, so it's just gonna be I'm just
be like, do what you.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
Gotta do now as I'm asking you about previous songs
and things that are true or not true.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
Lie again? M hm.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
So are you the type of person in a relationship
that will lie because it's easier.
Speaker 3 (32:26):
Used to be? Okay, So because I thought it would,
I thought it would help. But then I'm just like,
it's just gonna come back up, or it's just gonna
make you feel off, because then a lie is one
lie is never one lie.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
Right, and then you got to remember it later, And
just like I said, like yeah, just.
Speaker 3 (32:43):
Like but that was I wrote that well, like, yeah,
three years ago, I was a lot more like I
think insecure about certain things will be the best way
to put it. Yeah, very insecure about someone's past. If
it was like too crazy, just like, oh that's interesting.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
So you don't feel that way anymore about somebody. You
want to know someone's past, and you wouldn't look at
that as a negative.
Speaker 3 (33:09):
Yeah, Because at that time I was a lot more
green as well, because I didn't have a past. I
was in a long term relationship and I was in
single for not that long, so when it here and that,
it's like it's like, oh, you was out here living
like but now it's like now you have a path. Yes,
now I have a past. So I'm like, I think
(33:30):
it's it's more of like a an ego thing of like,
but also it's just it depends on how mature the
the person with the past is. If it seems like
somebody who could who still haven't outgrown that or outpaced that,
it still could feel like, yeah, like I don't trust
something that.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
I need your mentality to be right. Yeah, I think
is what it is. And then I know who you're
gonna end up dating. This is gonna be so interesting
when you pop out.
Speaker 3 (33:59):
I don't I'm I'm first, I will. I mean, I'm
not gonna never say never, but it's just people are
so in people's business.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
Yes they are, And don't let nobody see you outside
on a date. It's gonna be like.
Speaker 3 (34:12):
And then it's just like, Okay, if I'm dating somebody
and then I go to lunch with my female friend,
that's gonna be a whole story.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
Right, it will. So I'm just like, why not just
now it's crazy?
Speaker 3 (34:22):
Oh, I just move quiet.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
I'm just like nope, ninjam hmm.
Speaker 3 (34:27):
It's stealthy, stealthy, but that's what I also like to say.
I live in like a sweet pocket of like like
fame or celebrity, because I'm not really putting myself in
positions that will make me more like famous.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
You're not trying to be on the blogs.
Speaker 3 (34:46):
Yeah, because business it's gonna it's gonna bleed into other
areas of my life that I don't want it to
bleed into. But the only downside is I want to
the way these songs touch people and like the way
they'll be crying and telling me a song help them.
I'm like, I'm also.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
Wanting to tell your story so they could know.
Speaker 3 (35:05):
Yeah, that's somebody because I'm not moving around maybe a
little more. That's somebody who haven't heard a song from
me that would comfort them.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
Right.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
I do like the mystique of you, though, I think
I think it works for you. It works because the
music does really speak for itself, and so in this situation, yes,
I think you're good.
Speaker 3 (35:24):
Yeah. Like even on social media, if i'm I'll post
you know, I throw like a little me drinking a
manta or a fit pick or something. They'll be like, yeah, yeah, yeah,
where is the music.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
I'm like, well, like they do that to you, they
do that to Rihanna.
Speaker 3 (35:38):
It's a good company to I'm much rather that than
I post the music and they like they don't care,
like they just want to see my face. Yeah, So
it's just like I picked them being like yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:50):
Yeah, Well listen, I appreciate you. I know you've got
a ton of things that you're doing. But now that
we're friends, next time, I'm gonna get more into your
business and I'll tell you Okay.
Speaker 3 (36:00):
I feel like you give great like relationship advice.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
I don't know you do well, thank you. I appreciate that.
Speaker 3 (36:06):
The way you reacted, well.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
No, you know what it is.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
So the reason why I've been giving advice up here
on Assi a lot. But I also have a lot
of male and female friends, so I've heard it all.
So I'm very non judgmental. But I also feel like
I could just based off of meeting you today and
hearing the music, I can see a little bit of
you know, you're thirty now, yeah, so you can't. I
think the twenties is a fun time to make mistakes
and you have to learn and grow from them. And
(36:30):
so I get that from you. And like you're saying,
this is your album, so you know, don't let me down.
I'm kidding, but beloved or beloved beloved, it's just on.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
Yeah, to play on both of them. Well, I can't wait.
Any guests appearances we should know about.
Speaker 3 (36:48):
I want to do this one by myself.
Speaker 2 (36:50):
The whole album is by yourself. Yeah, okay, we like it.
Speaker 3 (36:53):
I love doing it. My mom not even knowing it.
What Yeah, she was shying the same voice notes all
you God.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
She's like, look, you gotta wait with that one.
Speaker 3 (36:59):
Yeah, you're gonna have to come play the bass or guitar.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
All right, Well, thank you so much for coming through.
Speaker 1 (37:05):
I so appreciate it, and I cannot wait for the
new project and just congratulations and everything. Honestly so excited
that you came here because, like I said, you're mystique.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
I know you don't go everywhere, so I appreciate you.
Speaker 3 (37:16):
Yes, no, thank you, thank you for having me. And
I'm excited for you to hear what I mean by
I think I I'll do myself.
Speaker 2 (37:23):
Okay, I can't wait.
Speaker 3 (37:27):
Wa
What's up this way up? But Angela yee and this
is a blessing. Let me tell you something. It is
so exciting to have giby On here with us today.
You just had some huge announcements time. It was perfect because.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Perfect on the way, is it right before you walked
in here?
Speaker 3 (00:18):
Yes, I announced my my sophomore album July eleven, I
love it beloved.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
And we saw the promos because I was watching yesterday
and so I was trying to interpret it when it
came out of you know what, what is this like
this trailer where you're writing a letter? Yeah, and so
I guess this album we're gonna get more of a fail.
There's two singles out now, which we'll talk about. But
I was talking to Dan.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
I was like, what do you think this means? Like
we were.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
I was like, okay, he's in the phone booth, he's
making a phone call. The person's not answering. His interpretation
was that you felt like you were kind of alone
doing this. I also looked at it, all these microphones
in your face. I said, clearly, he don't like do interviews.
I want you to kind of break it down for
us because I'm going to see if we're both right, Well, I.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
Want to try to break it down in a way
where I don't give too much okay away, because I
do love the idea of like leaving stuff up for interpretation.
But if I had to be direct, there was so
I touched on me in the booth, and that was
also just like a simple trying to reach out to
(01:30):
no avail, but that could be to a person. That
could be me trying to make something to connect with someone,
and sometimes it miss or they don't because it didn't
really say that no one was picking up. It just
cut before they pick up. So it's like there's still
time for.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
Someone, but there's a cigarette burning, so someone's not too.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
Far like freshly burning. So it's like in the mics
and the flashes, is that is like my relationship with
all of this because it does get to a point
and they could but it's grateful. It's like it's a
it's a it's a balance because it's I appreciate it,
but also it could get overwhelming sometimes if it's like
(02:11):
something's not ready and people's like where is it right? Yeah,
but that's also a double meaning for relationships too, Like
sometimes it was like I was in something and I
wasn't ready for it, and I was being in your
twenties exactly, and it was like being forced out of me.
So it's it's a lot of that.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Oh okay, I like it.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
Well, it looks beautiful. It very you know, just the
look of it though, it is amazing. I want to
ask you, because I know that you write all your music,
how involved like with the visuals?
Speaker 2 (02:42):
How hands on are you with that part of it?
Speaker 3 (02:44):
Yeah? So I have I have an amazing team who
has tastes and who knows how to I guess, execute
whatever ideas I have. So it's just like even with
that the trailer, I was just heavily influenced by film
now wir. It's just like black and white, certain frames,
(03:04):
shadow work. So then they would they were able to
pick that up and put it through my filter and
make it makes sense for me. So sometimes I'll just
have like something vague that I'm just moved by, and
I'll be like, I want to do something like this,
and they'll break down what that is and what it
looks like to even do it. So it's a it's
a it's a group effort, but I'm definitely involved with
how I want the story to be portrayed.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
I saw you also had a five year anniversary for
your first EP.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
Yeah, that is.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Amazing that it's been.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Five years a minute already. It don't even feel like
it right.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
It flew by especially. I think we also lost a
couple of years the pandemic, the pandemic, and I was
dropping every year, like I dropped something in twenty twenty,
twenty twenty one, twenty twenty two. And that's why I
was just like the last three years I spent working
on this.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
I saw you said, like over a thousand days.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
Yeah, like real, please with me. So it's just like
like I could give you, I could give them something
half baked whenever, but it's just like it's a I
hope people appreciate the time it takes into making something.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
Yeah, even thinking about how you put out that first
project and it was a pandemic in twenty twenty, and
how did that affect things for you?
Speaker 3 (04:17):
Well, luckily I was just like brand new and I
was fresh, so there wasn't It was kind of low
risk because that was my my my introduction. So I
was still in a building phase versus me having this
large core fan base and they doesn't even reach them
because of whatever's going on. Right, And we also had
(04:38):
the ideology that like people gonna be.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
At home, Yeah, people at home listening.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
Yeah, And it's not like I'm making like club anthems
and stuff like that. I'm making music where you have
to listen to the lyrics.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
And a lot of people broke up during that time too, Yeah, because.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
They start I didn't even think about that. Yeah, because
they start spending more time with people than they used to.
You're not going to work, y'all just in each other
face all day.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
What were you doing during that time time?
Speaker 3 (05:02):
I was like in between being single and being in relationships.
But I also took that time to just develop as
a writer. I was just making music, making music instead
trying to stay out the way, and I was doing
like like live college performances on like zoom.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
It was weird, and making money from home.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
But that was like before I went on tour.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
That has to be a weird feeling too, because it's
before you went.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
Yeah, and artists usually their first usually because of the
expenses and everything, usually lose money.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
Yeah, you're spending money to go on to it because
it's promo.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
Yeah, So if I was getting paid to go at home,
they have to convince me, like, all right, now I'm
going tour.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
I was like, for real, zoom from home.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
And I'm like, wait, why am I going on tour?
And I'm like in the red and it's I just
didn't understand it because I was new. But then once
and I haven't toured my own tour at that point,
but then seeing the faces, hearing them singing, it's just crazy.
It's like when in the NBA whenever playing in the
bubble versus actual arena, it's like way different.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Yeah, that bubble was hard for people, even yeah, even
going to see comedians. I went to some drive up
comedy shows so they couldn't hear your reaction because everybody's
in their car listening.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Yeah that's different and beat.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
The horn to laugh.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
It was you know, yeah, but it does make you
appreciate the experience more because I think after that, it
was like I got to make sure I value these
relationships and face, you know face. But it also helped
us realize you don't have to be in person for meetings. Now,
I'm like, we can't just do a phone call because
everybody wants to zoom.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
Right, everyone wants to zoom, but I also miss the
idea of just being in the room and being around people.
And that was a weird time too, because I'll be
zooming zooming is that what people call it. I just
said that I'll be on zoom and then I'll meet
somebody and I'll be like, nice to see you again.
It's like, no, we never met. Yeah, oh I thought
I met, So that was that was a crazy But
(07:00):
I was happy to be like the soundtrack for it
because a lot of people when they hear certain songs,
they were like, I remember during the pandemic.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
Man, listen up here at iHeart, we played your music
so much. It was literally like every hour. And that's
not a very usual thing for a new artist, you know.
It's not something that normally would happen. That's like, okay,
new Beyonce, We're gonna play this every hour, new you know,
But for you, it was like literally constant rotation.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
That's how much people were feeling you.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
I loved that. I get so much love and support
from iHeart. I have an award at home from them.
I think it was like best new Artists, the best
New R and B one of these well deserved.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
I'm gonna tell you, it's definitely very.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
Real, and you have such an unusual story because of
your talent. Just even the way when you first came
out that people were hearing about you going on tour
with like a snow Allegra and not even having full projects.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
It's crazy.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
Yeah, I think she was just like she really was
a fan of just my voice, and it was just
she was just like, I gotta have you here somehow.
And I opened for so it was me another artist
and then so no, and I didn't have any music,
so I dropped the song the day up tour freestyle, Yeah, exactly,
(08:18):
but it was it was like I want you. I
have a song called like I Want You, done a
drop and then I did an unreleased song and not
on a cover, but I still had time left in
my set, so I was like, oh, I'm a just
freestyle in East City and Chicago was the first city.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
Do you know how unusual that is? Like the way
that a lot of things have transpired for you.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
Yeah, And it's like it's kind of catching up now
in the sense of there's a lot of steps I
skipped that I wish I didn't skip, because I was
just able to I would have been able to learn
certain things or navigate certain things, which I still can,
but I just got to go backwards.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
Like what because I know you were discovered basically on SoundCloud,
not a lot of views on the SoundCloud, and got
signed off of that, which is like, come on, that
doesn't normally happen.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
They wanted me to go and perform live at a
rehearsal studio to make sure my voice was real.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
Your voice, I'm not gonna lie in the music. Your
voice don't sound real until this is how you really do.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
Yeah, And I would get that for so long and
I was just like, I love it too, because it's
like that means it's unique and it's distinctive.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
You know how sometimes a new song comes out and
you hear it and you're like it could be this person,
this person or this person. We know your voice, and
so when you put something out, it's distinctively like oh okay,
no one sounds like you.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
Yeah. And I don't like the idea of everybody trying
to sound the same because then we all just making
the same music.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
Right, So how important is writing for you? Because I
know collaboration is important too. Yeah, but what's the balance
with that.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
I think it's extremely vital to my authenticity. But that's right,
I don't like writing. I really I almost write because
I have to to get it out. But it it's
a it takes a lot out of me because I'm
going back to specific places and I'm literally visualizing it
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and it's like I'm almost reliving those feelings and emotions again.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
And then performing it then too, then performing it.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
Yeah, I don't really like like writing that much because
it's it's like, yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
But you think that it's you think you could with
the same emotion, sing and experience that's not yours.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
Me personally, No, I can't because you'll you'll hear it.
By the way I deliver it, it's just not the
same because I'm visualizing like when I when I'm saying,
and especially for my new album, it's a The vocal
delivery is like it's levels above my last album.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Wow. Okay, so you feel like you've outdone yourself?
Speaker 3 (10:50):
Oh yeah, yeah, I've out done I've obliterated myself. I
think like I've destroyed anything I've made before this.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
I love that.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
So the first two songs already are smashes let's talk
about twenties, Okay, okay, because in your twenties, you know,
I feel like that's the thing that we all say.
But I'm gonna be honest, I haven't heard men say
that as much as I've heard women say that that
I've wasted like all these years.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
Yeah, it's kind of mean, like some stuff, if it
comes from a certain person, it's kind of like, why
you say that, don't say that. But it's like, I mean, yeah,
time is time. You could write the same song and
say the same thing, right, But I mean, I don't
know if people will hear it, because they'll probably hear
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this one already. But it's just like, you know, I
think point of view is important, and I was just
like even a state of R and B, it's we
have so much point of view from just the women's side.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Yeah, I think men try to act unemotional.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
I don't know why.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
You know, it's very few men that you could listen
to and he's talking about the heartbreak that he went through,
or I wasted my time with her, or even you know,
just rather be with you than someone new. I felt
like women stay in relationships a lot because of that,
and we talk about it, and men do it, but
they don't express it.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
Yeah, because I know, I know a couple. I got
a couple of homies who were probably in something he
had no business being in.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
But it's just like, do y'all talk about it?
Speaker 1 (12:23):
Because I also felt like as women, we like talk
about it, talk about it non stop.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
We'll talk about it with me in the studio, okay
for the sake of this just the music, but like
outside of the studio, I don't think we necessarily talk
about it. But that's one thing I want to push
to the forefront. Like I'm not numbing my emotions. I'm
not suppressing my emotions. I'm sensitive and emotional. So I
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just want to make that more of a thing. Yeah,
I was just like a masculine thing too. It's not
just it's also not healthy.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
Toy, You're right.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
So it's just like men, y'all need to y'all need
to cry a little more. We need to cry a
little more.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
So it's interesting that in the studio you guys would
discuss real things because you're writing music, and so did
you film any of that stuff?
Speaker 2 (13:13):
Because I feel like.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
I have like voice, no voice, yeah, but like video, Yeah,
I have some of it too, but sometimes I can't.
I'll have to like it'll get too unfiltered and somebody
ended up start talking crazy about something.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
I'm like, bro, you don't want to put it out,
but I.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
Know, but I would love to put it out so
people could be like fly on the wall, yeah, or
have what's the name coming here and do it the guy.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
We was just talking about before, oh Ralp mcdanney, Yeah,
maybe chop it up for me listen. I think things
like that are powerful because I love that you said that,
because I do feel like for men, there's not enough spaces.
You know, we hear like the breakup songs. It's never
really like back in the day, it was kind of
like that. Remember haroldm Moving in the blue notes I
Miss You. He's like crying on the song Oh My.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
Ever Away like Teddy was, he.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
Was just drinking, drinking.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
And I pulled from just this next album. I pulled
from that energy too. Just the delivery is just like,
oh man, because sometimes I'll be listening to Tuddy and
I was like, he ain't even singing.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
Yeah, he just he's telling you.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
He's just talking and yelling it. But it feels like
it's just raw passion and raw emotion, and that's just
that's just what I'm That's the biggest takeaway that I
took from just like that era for this album.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
I think when I see a lot of people commenting
when they listen to your music, that they related it
so much to something that happened in their life.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
Yes, like that's like one of the biggest like things
that I see. I hear about my voice as well.
They love my voice, they love my tone, the velves
just velvety. But the biggest a lot of the I
guess notes and compliments come from my writing.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
Yeah, LOOKI makes us want to go through a breakup.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
Just feel what I'm feeling.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
I feel like everyone feels.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
But yeah, I do want to keep that emphasis on
male just emotion. Like also girls love it. Oh god,
I was loving emotional man. It's not too like unhings.
But it's like if you if you han't a long
day and you come to your lady and be like
I had a long day and just lay on her lot.
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What she loves that She's gonna rub your head and
she's gonna be like, he feels safe with me.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
I want to now give you on Do you take
accountability for the things you do in relationships?
Speaker 3 (15:46):
Yeah, but I ain't gonna put it on WAD that's
another album.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
Because I feel like you're talking about some smooth things
that you have going on. It's making me be like, Okay,
he ain't just getting his heart broke. He's doing some
heartbreaking too.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
Yeah. But it's also I was just right like to
set it up. Yeah, but no, but I think it
was also so I just turned thirty like four months ago,
and people are asking me like, how does it feel
to be thirty now, I'm like, it feels the same,
but I can't if it hasn't felt exactly the same.
There's just a level of awareness. So whenever if I
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was when I was in the wrong with something, I
genuinely didn't know any better, okay, like or I just
I just thought it. I wasn't aware of what I
was doing.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
Like in your twenties, like you said in the sound,
you were learning yourself yeah too.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
Yeah, yeah, And that's why I say six years going
down to drain, I guess I'm half to blame.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
Okay, that's accountability. You know, half of it is your.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
Fault, half of it it takes two.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
And you know, it's interesting because I feel like you've
been very private.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
People don't know, like what's going on.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
I haven't seen no girls like post on, you know,
and be like he did this to me. And somehow
you've managed to keep a lot of that under wraps people.
But people do get an idea, like through your music.
And it's interesting because I look at like Mary J.
Blige can't stand the fact that people want her to
keep getting her heart broke because they love the music
that she makes. When she's making those songs that are
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about you know, this happens, this happened, this happened, and
we're like, oh my god, I love that song. Are
Tony Braxton having a classic album Amy Winehouse, Yeah, you
know all of those great songs come through from some
type of pain.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
Yeah. And it's just like, and I being in his position,
I understand that because sometimes it's like a it's therapeutic
when you're writing a song. So it's like you not
really writing or making something therapeutic when you're already feeling
good and when you're happy, like you lost in it.
But there is there is a way to add certain
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I guess emotions and feelings that are not somber like
I don't. I don't know if I'll ever just write
like a I Love you song like that, and it
have to be through my way otherwise it'll feel just
like contrived and I'm making it so somebody could be like.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
Oh, this is a I love a wedding song, right
because songs, and you're like, oh, that's perfect for a wedding.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
Yeah, Like, I don't know how to make music for people.
I only know how to express myself, okay, and then
either people connect with it or they don't.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
What do you think it is like in relationships that,
like you said you were learning in your twenties, yeah right,
But what is it that like does hasn't connected?
Speaker 2 (18:37):
Like?
Speaker 1 (18:38):
What are some of the themes that you see and
things that haven't worked out for you?
Speaker 3 (18:45):
I grew up in a very I don't want to
say aggressive to make it seem like it was just
like a hard nosed, rough household. But I grew up
in a very masculine, overly assertive household. And you can't
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talk to I mean, I'm sure you can't talk to
men like that, but you for show can't talk to
women like that. Even if it's like you feel like
you're right or you're a misunderstood. It's still there's just
a way to speak. So I think my lack of
communicating not lack of communicating because I wasn't saying anything
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but my delivery. I think it always would get me
into a place where I'm just it'll make something bigger
than what it have to be.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
Give me an example, if it's like.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
If let's say I'm dating someone and she's like, she's like,
you didn't text me for before you went to bed
or something like that, and I genuinely would me knowing like,
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oh I was, I was just tired. I fell asleep,
And if that's not enough, my bad, I'm sorry I
went to sleep. Then it's going to be like, well
you still could I'm like I would be like I
just said, like I just said, oh sorry, like why
am I Now we're about to go on the blo
and I'll just get riled up. But now I'll probably
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be like like, we don't I understand where you're coming from,
but I'm sorry, I didn't mean it. Like It'll just
be a lot more and then that'll make her be like.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
Okay, maybe so maybe you get defensive.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
I would get defensive, and I would like, I would
get more annoyed because I know that I would get defensive.
So I'll try to.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
Tell you the truth. And you're like, I said this.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
I don't want to have to keep on explaining it
instead of saying, I know it's hard to date somebody
like me.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
And see, that's a good one. I'm sorry work went
late and work.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
Went late and so yes, but and you're right, it
is a lot of times delivery and communication because it
probably isn't easy to date somebody like you.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
No, no, but I know what would make it difficult,
And I think the main thing would be the delivery,
and because we wouldn't even get to that point if
my boundaries don't work for you. If so, I can
establish boundaries and be like, this is my schedule, this
is I don't I don't like texting, I really don't.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
You really don't you like voice notes? Thoff?
Speaker 3 (21:23):
I like voice notes?
Speaker 2 (21:24):
Or send me a voice note before.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
Well, let's just get on FaceTime. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
So it's just like, although FaceTime could be a thing
for women, sometimes we'd be like to get ready, Yeah,
I gotta get ready for FaceTime.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
The eye I'm like, where is your face?
Speaker 2 (21:39):
Look at the ceiling?
Speaker 3 (21:40):
While yeah, I'm like all right, so yeah, But I'm
also still finding the answers, and I also learn it
through songwriting. I'm still kind of navigating, like why doesn't.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
This work right?
Speaker 1 (21:53):
And look, let's bring that to the other song that
you have out from the new album Beloved, because I
love this song rather be but it is in a
way because I was trying to look at it from
both sides, because a lot of times we do feel
like that I'd rather be in this situation I'm comfortable
with being in even though this is not you tell
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me your thoughts, because I look at it like sometimes
we stay in something that maybe we shouldn't because it's
better than the unknown.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
Yeah, for sure, and not uncertainty. But even as I grow,
I think I was writing that from a place of
whatever flaws that I'm happening in this one. It was
happening so many times that I'm just gonna be like, oh,
this is always gonna happen no matter what relationship.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
I mean, see, there's a thing that's how I'm saying,
what is it that is a common thing that you
see in things and relationships that don't work for you,
so it keeps on happening.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
At some point, I gotta be like, at some point,
I'm just like, wait, hold on, why is the same
thing happening? And then it could be hopeless about love,
like this ain't gonna ever work. And I think that's
like what thirty is about accountability.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
Okay, we like that, yea.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
And the album is called Beloved, and so, like we
said when we saw the trailer for the album, it's
a letter. So this is a letter to someone, Okay,
so break it, break it down a little for me.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
I know you don't like to give everything, but.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
I will say without giving it away. I wanted it
to feel like a letter to the listener, almost like
they're just this is what I've been going, this is
where I've been, and this is just here's the story
if you're wondering where I've been at. And it's also
I'm just a big fan on multiple of multiple meanings
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as well, so Beloved, Beloved, it's like it's a lot
of it's a lot going.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
Okay, yeah, so tell me because I only have these
two songs, and I know we're tight live because July
eleventh is a date seven eleven. You can remember it
that way and you can pre order it now, right, Yes,
So kind of on this album, what's the because I
know everything you do has been very like kind of
tied together and cohesive. So with this album, what is
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it that we're seeing? You talk about growth and you're
saying you really outdone yourself. So what are some things
that we can see? Like, what are some of the differences.
What is some of the growth?
Speaker 3 (24:19):
I think immediately is the the sonics of the album.
Everything is played live. It's just all one band just
played the whole album, so you're going to hear that
that organic it's going to be. It's so soulful because
it's just raw and real. It was like jam sessions
and we were like, okay, that's the sound right there, Okay,
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and then I'll just I'll come and work on it.
So it's just like it flows in. I think my
vocal delivery is a really big thing. That's like I
just invoke the exact emotion of the song or whatever
it is that I'm talking about. And I think this
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is just a sound I've always been I've always wanted
to make, but I wasn't ready yet because one I
didn't have the taste that I want yet, and I
didn't have the experience.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
Ring fast for you, like you said.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
Exactly, so I didn't even get to sit back and
like process it. So I would. I remember trying to
make these song type of songs before and something wasn't connecting.
But it's because I wasn't singing from a real place.
It wasn't coming from like a real raw experience for real,
(25:35):
Like I have stories that I could try to have
that I can try to like I want to say,
pool from that experience, but no, I have to go
through that exact experience because when I'm singing, I'm visualizing
it happen, and I'm just like like if like if
I'm there's a song where my eyes are frowned up,
you can hear.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
That, yeah, oh I love that.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
Yeah, so I can hear that. You're be able to
hear my facial expressions and just like my body language
in the music.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
Yeah, I feel like I don't know people who are
really doing music like that now and the way that
you're expressing yourself.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
Yeah, I've also learned that it's difficult, and now I
don't know how many people can do that because it's
still it's a real craft that you have to work
on and build the taste and build up your vocal
ability as well.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
And you said it's been Obviously people have been waiting,
and it's a gift and a curse. Like you said,
people are, where's the album? What's going on? And obviously
they're anxious, And like you said, you put things out
every year, but then you took this break of putting
out a full album. So how many songs you must
have done? Are you the type of person that does
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a lot of songs and then.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
You have to figure around I love this question. I'm
not a vault artist. Okay, my album is fourteen songs.
I probably made like like seven. Oh wow, yeah, because
I just I love every single. I love everything I'm
making because it's I'm not making it until it's ready
(27:10):
to go, like it has. It has to like pour
out of me. Otherwise I'm just like feel like I'm
pulling teeth like the twenties, rather be like them them
just those wrote themselves, right.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
It feels like it.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
And you know earlier you had with your project where
you it was kind of a letter to your mother
in a way, like with the voice notes to kind
of direct us along the way.
Speaker 3 (27:34):
It was that last album was just like a conversation
between me and her.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
So I want to ask you this, does your mom
hear the music? Like when do you send it to her?
Do you send her this song by song? Do you
wait till it's like I want you to listen to
the whole project?
Speaker 3 (27:48):
You know, it's funny this I asked, like my family
and my friends, and they like, before they want it,
but now they're like they've been fans of me, but
they are really fans of me, so they're like, no,
I don't want it. I don't want it yet. I
want to hear the album when it drops with everybody else,
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because they're like, give on fans.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
It's funny, that's great.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
Yeah, my mom is funny with her voice notes.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
And you're like, you're like she never thought that all
this was going to happen with her son either.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
Yeah, but I have a funny story about that because
she said that year one and I was like, that's
that's cute, mom, that's good. Here. Two, I'm like, yeah,
I can't believe this. You're three and four. I'm like,
all right, you and two, you're too shocked. Year five,
I'm like, what.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
What what are you trying to? Nothing? Surprised you?
Speaker 3 (28:41):
Yeah, She's like you, oh man, it's crazy.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
It's your mom.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
Like my mom, like she goes places and tells people
that you're her son.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
She she she learned real quick not to do.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
That, okay, because my parents would be calling me like, hey,
the person of the supermarket wants to say hi.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
I'm like, yea to hew, do they know who you are?
Speaker 3 (28:58):
Right? They like? Because people was like she didn't like
the attention, and I was like, yeah, you better stop.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
Yeah, because they will be like can you give your
son this?
Speaker 3 (29:07):
I sing too and right she I remember when it
was early, early she would be in the comments. I'm like,
you better get up out of there.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
Yeah, they're gonna follow you. They're gonna harass.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
They don't lose. The internet is.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
Just oh you don't want to be Yeah.
Speaker 3 (29:21):
She will try to like defend certain stuff.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
Oh yeah, that's the worst too, because you know they're looking. Still.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
She may not be, but she's still gonna look. And
sometimes things bother me because they see it more than
if I see it. I can give it, but they
see it and they get so bad as her kid.
Speaker 3 (29:36):
Talking about so it's probably like I'm just like, I
just laugh at her, like, don't you been not? But
she don't really check do.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
A lot of your music, even in the past come
so it comes from real things.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
So you were you engaged before?
Speaker 3 (29:49):
Oh? That one on Holy Matrimony.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
Oh that one?
Speaker 3 (29:56):
It was No, I wasn't engaged before, but I was
in a long thing that I was like consider stuff
and that was like pretty much writing a song about
like I would have had to because it ended before
an engagement. But it was like a I would have
had to end. I rather end the relationship boyfriend, girlfriend
(30:19):
than in like a marriage or I'm just like so
that was like a yo. Imagine if I felt like
this while I was married. I was just like, oh wow, what.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
Are your thought time? Marriage? Is that something that you're
like in the future? I do want to.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
Yeah, I love marriage. I think it's just like I
just have. My grandma and my grandpa were married for
like forty years, fifty years. Oh wow, Yeah, my uncle
uncle Tony Pepper married. Yeah. I grew up around marriage.
I will say I've seen a lot of marriages and there, yeah,
we all have. So it's just like it's tricky. I wouldn't.
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I would never be the type to be like, ye'all
should get married, because I'm like, it's hard.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
I support anybody that wants to get married, but I'm
not going to try to tell you what you need
to do.
Speaker 3 (31:08):
I'm also not big on telling anybody to do anything.
I'm just like, I don't do what you I don't care,
like I'm not paying your bills, I'm not feeding you,
I'm not doing anything. That's how I was raised. If
somebody not paying your bills at in your house, cleaning up,
why do they even hold any weight for what they
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have to say about what you can do for your life?
Speaker 1 (31:31):
Like what if one of your friends was about to
marry somebody and you didn't think they should.
Speaker 3 (31:34):
Oh, I'm gonna tell them or her. Nah, it depends.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
You'd be like, listen to this song.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
Yeah, no, it depends what you're from it. Because I've
been in situations where I'm like, people don't play about that, yeah,
like they don't play. Some people were like you think,
so okay, I won't like nah, I don't think it
works like that. It's gonna be Yeah, they gonna get
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married anyway. And then there's gonna be like a you
don't like them, so it's just gonna be I'm just
be like, do what you.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
Gotta do now as I'm asking you about previous songs
and things that are true or not true.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
Lie again? M hm.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
So are you the type of person in a relationship
that will lie because it's easier.
Speaker 3 (32:26):
Used to be? Okay, So because I thought it would,
I thought it would help. But then I'm just like,
it's just gonna come back up, or it's just gonna
make you feel off, because then a lie is one
lie is never one lie.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
Right, and then you got to remember it later, And
just like I said, like yeah, just.
Speaker 3 (32:43):
Like but that was I wrote that well, like, yeah,
three years ago, I was a lot more like I
think insecure about certain things will be the best way
to put it. Yeah, very insecure about someone's past. If
it was like too crazy, just like, oh that's interesting.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
So you don't feel that way anymore about somebody. You
want to know someone's past, and you wouldn't look at
that as a negative.
Speaker 3 (33:09):
Yeah, Because at that time I was a lot more
green as well, because I didn't have a past. I
was in a long term relationship and I was in
single for not that long, so when it here and that,
it's like it's like, oh, you was out here living
like but now it's like now you have a path. Yes,
now I have a past. So I'm like, I think
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it's it's more of like a an ego thing of like,
but also it's just it depends on how mature the
the person with the past is. If it seems like
somebody who could who still haven't outgrown that or outpaced that,
it still could feel like, yeah, like I don't trust
something that.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
I need your mentality to be right. Yeah, I think
is what it is. And then I know who you're
gonna end up dating. This is gonna be so interesting
when you pop out.
Speaker 3 (33:59):
I don't I'm I'm first, I will. I mean, I'm
not gonna never say never, but it's just people are
so in people's business.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
Yes they are, And don't let nobody see you outside
on a date. It's gonna be like.
Speaker 3 (34:12):
And then it's just like, Okay, if I'm dating somebody
and then I go to lunch with my female friend,
that's gonna be a whole story.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
Right, it will. So I'm just like, why not just
now it's crazy?
Speaker 3 (34:22):
Oh, I just move quiet.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
I'm just like nope, ninjam hmm.
Speaker 3 (34:27):
It's stealthy, stealthy, but that's what I also like to say.
I live in like a sweet pocket of like like
fame or celebrity, because I'm not really putting myself in
positions that will make me more like famous.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
You're not trying to be on the blogs.
Speaker 3 (34:46):
Yeah, because business it's gonna it's gonna bleed into other
areas of my life that I don't want it to
bleed into. But the only downside is I want to
the way these songs touch people and like the way
they'll be crying and telling me a song help them.
I'm like, I'm also.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
Wanting to tell your story so they could know.
Speaker 3 (35:05):
Yeah, that's somebody because I'm not moving around maybe a
little more. That's somebody who haven't heard a song from
me that would comfort them.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
Right.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
I do like the mystique of you, though, I think
I think it works for you. It works because the
music does really speak for itself, and so in this situation, yes,
I think you're good.
Speaker 3 (35:24):
Yeah. Like even on social media, if i'm I'll post
you know, I throw like a little me drinking a
manta or a fit pick or something. They'll be like, yeah, yeah, yeah,
where is the music.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
I'm like, well, like they do that to you, they
do that to Rihanna.
Speaker 3 (35:38):
It's a good company to I'm much rather that than
I post the music and they like they don't care,
like they just want to see my face. Yeah, So
it's just like I picked them being like yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:50):
Yeah, Well listen, I appreciate you. I know you've got
a ton of things that you're doing. But now that
we're friends, next time, I'm gonna get more into your
business and I'll tell you Okay.
Speaker 3 (36:00):
I feel like you give great like relationship advice.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
I don't know you do well, thank you. I appreciate that.
Speaker 3 (36:06):
The way you reacted, well.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
No, you know what it is.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
So the reason why I've been giving advice up here
on Assi a lot. But I also have a lot
of male and female friends, so I've heard it all.
So I'm very non judgmental. But I also feel like
I could just based off of meeting you today and
hearing the music, I can see a little bit of
you know, you're thirty now, yeah, so you can't. I
think the twenties is a fun time to make mistakes
and you have to learn and grow from them. And
(36:30):
so I get that from you. And like you're saying,
this is your album, so you know, don't let me down.
I'm kidding, but beloved or beloved beloved, it's just on.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
Yeah, to play on both of them. Well, I can't wait.
Any guests appearances we should know about.
Speaker 3 (36:48):
I want to do this one by myself.
Speaker 2 (36:50):
The whole album is by yourself. Yeah, okay, we like it.
Speaker 3 (36:53):
I love doing it. My mom not even knowing it.
What Yeah, she was shying the same voice notes all
you God.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
She's like, look, you gotta wait with that one.
Speaker 3 (36:59):
Yeah, you're gonna have to come play the bass or guitar.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
All right, Well, thank you so much for coming through.
Speaker 1 (37:05):
I so appreciate it, and I cannot wait for the
new project and just congratulations and everything. Honestly so excited
that you came here because, like I said, you're mystique.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
I know you don't go everywhere, so I appreciate you.
Speaker 3 (37:16):
Yes, no, thank you, thank you for having me. And
I'm excited for you to hear what I mean by
I think I I'll do myself.
Speaker 2 (37:23):
Okay, I can't wait.
Speaker 3 (37:27):
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