April 3, 2025 • 29 mins
Jana and Allan are recapping this week’s episode of The Masked Singer season 13! Jana shows off her boy band knowledge and challenges Allan’s country singer IQ when trying to guess some of the contestants.
We’re talking to Popcorn herself, Taylor Dayne! She shares stories from her legendary career and we hear the inside story of how the costumes are assigned behind the scenes on The Masked Singer!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Wind Down with Janet Kramer and I'm heart Radio podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
All right, it was a boy band night on the
mass singer all four group se contestants singing everybody but
Backstreet Boys. I gotta tell you, I was watching this
on the treadmill because obviously we get screeners before y'all
see it, and I was just having a good old
time in the gym singing all these songs.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
It was so fun. I love boy bands.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
He's singing out load, babe.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
I was, who's your favorite boy band? Probably take that
that's a band? Yeah, okay, is this a British band? Okay,
that's why I have no clue. I was like, is
that a song?
Speaker 3 (00:48):
Younger? Younger?
Speaker 4 (00:48):
But then there was the My first introduction the boy
band was is it new kids on the Block?
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (00:54):
Yes, They're probably the best, most memorable ones for me
that I would listen to.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Well, first up to sing was Nessy and he's clearly
an artist. He's sang tearing up my Heart by and
sanc a goodie right there. He's obviously older because his
the stage clues that he dropped his ARP card, which
is hilarious.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
It was an ARP cad.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
It's like for old people.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
I googled it's like a travel card thing.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Oh, I thought it was for old people like your
AARP Like, No, it's like all I thought I was
for old people.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
So I thought, I was like, Okay, he's older.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
He's like past his fifties. That's hilarious. Maybe that's something else.
I don't know, maybe it is, but uh, Jenny Guest,
Darius Rucker Ken Pat Mahone Rita said Dave Matthews, I
honestly have no clue. I just know that he's was
back in the day, obviously a singer from all of that,
but I would I kind of was thinking like maybe
Darryl Hall. I definitely older.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
We said they did a lot of love love songs.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
Yeah, so I was thinking maybe Brian Adams.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
That's a good one.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Uh. And then I was thinking she.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
Is such a recognized he does, I know.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
So I don't know if he was, but I don't know.
It kind of sounds like Daryl Hall so but I
thought he was great. Next up was stud Man, a
stud muffin, and he sang Poisoned by Belle leave da
VOI again, I mean, he's a Grammy winner. There's just
no doubt in my mind that it's not method man.
(02:21):
But I loved his dance moves. Did you like that
was he broke it down? I was like yes, yeah.
Speaker 4 (02:30):
So when you hear like gold chain brotherhood rapper, that's like,
where do you start actually try and guessless.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
It's method man.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Moving on Yorkie. I love Yorkie so much. She just
puts a smile in my face. She sang step by step.
But New Kids on the Block that's my Also my
favorite back in the day boy band.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
It was it was.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
It was New Kids on the Block in sync Backstreet Boys,
nine d eight degrees and that. Having said that, Christmas
order is different. Christmas album, Christmas album nine day Degrees
has a bomb Christmas album from the very beginning.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
Anyways.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
Can you name a Yuk a Uk boyne from the
eighties on lateties?
Speaker 1 (03:13):
No, not one.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
I had the West Life.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
Oh I love West Life.
Speaker 5 (03:17):
The Savage Garden Is that one?
Speaker 3 (03:20):
I think so? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (03:22):
Yeah, because Savage Garden and West Life Simon Cole put
them together. I thought there were two thousands were the
Late Night That's a good one. Oh I have to
listen to that one. Okay, Oh that's a really West Life. Yeah,
that was.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
That was a goodie. My name is Yorkie.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
I think it's Erica Jane because of a few reasons.
I saw Teddy Mellencamp. She was watching and videoing watching it,
and so they've got a really close relationship. And then
I started just thinking about the clues and then the
singing voice, and I think it's Erica Jane, which would
be so cool.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
So I was thinking Partis Hilton.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Yeah, Rita has thought Harris, but then.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
She said that she met was it. Now I've got
that wrong.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
That's okay.
Speaker 4 (04:12):
No, you met Partis Hilton at an event and said,
oh I was. She said that was on the mass
thing as she gets zero response, Oh that's funny.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
But I still think it might be her.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Last up to reform was the mad Scientist Monster met
his girlfriend at friendsgiving Grandfather Clock.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
You must know this one.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
I still think it's Ronnie Done, But there's a piece
of me that thinks maybe Scotti McCreary, because he's got
like that old school sounding voice. But I still just
think it's Ronnie Done in my heart of hearts, he
sounds a grind done. Having said that, a lot of
these younger dudes sound like some of those iconic older guys.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
Yeah, what's the one that you've been lessing to recently?
It sounds like Kilvis.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
Oh yeah, exactly, So it's just you know, but yeah,
he's saying I swear by all for one, so good,
which also, ah, just makes me remind myself of the
of my other boy band. I liked it was all
it was well, obviously Boys to Men their boy band
can you say boy Wand yeah, I wasn't sure if
(05:22):
it was like it has to be four and over,
but Boys to Men actually is before Backstreet Boys, So yeah,
InSync Boys to Men. There was another one though, All
for One. There was these guys that saying I swear
all for one. Oh there it is. Oh my gosh,
I'm so that's what that was. The band All for One.
Speaker 4 (05:39):
Okay, guess is definitely not Tim McGraw, no recognizable.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Maybe Alan Jackson, but I still again think Ronnie.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
D not Keith Hoben, No.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
No, no, no.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
Last Clue has a whole street named after him and
his crew. Stud Muffin is a method man. We called it,
we knew it, good old method man. Yeah, and unfortunately
we don't have method man.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Today.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
But we have another icon another diva, Taylor Dane, one
of my fates. Tell it to my heart, I'll always
she's saying, prove your love. I mean, love will lead
you back. She's iconic. She appeared on season four as
popcorn was revealed in episode ten. She's gonna come and
(06:27):
tell us all things about her era and what she's
still up to. Hey, Hi, how are you doing very well? Well,
(06:47):
we'll just jump right into it. I'm a huge fan.
I'm like ginormous fan, and I was just going back
through your songs this morning, and I mean, Jess like
so good, so so good. It just brought me back
to some good old childhood memories. We would make up
dances in my basement with my girlfriends to your songs.
Speaker 5 (07:08):
Yeah, well, I understand, I do, and I appreciate that.
I love it. I love hearing stories like that. But
I mean, you know, thirty seven years so something.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
Had some you know, well they're timeless, you know, as
I'm as I'm singing them now, I mean, they're just
they're timeless songs.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
They've been on our head the whole morning.
Speaker 4 (07:27):
So she played them and they don't My comment was,
they just don't make song iconic songs like that anymore.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
I don't stick that, I think so No.
Speaker 5 (07:36):
I think where we're just at now is because you know,
obviously you guys are a little bit younger, but like
I mean, I love some of the art, Like you know,
I was at the Grammy and I really feel like
they're some incredible artists are coming out and it's.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
True, Like Billie Eilish, she's like she's.
Speaker 5 (07:55):
Like, there's so many Yeah, chap Well goes on just
when it goes on and goes on, and I feel
like they're back to songwriting. You know, the song is
not just the pop world, and it's very classic, and
I know my records just did the test of time.
So that's just a lovely thing to be able to
sit here and chat about. But it's like it's very
(08:17):
you know, that's what I think they're writing some really
classic you know, really that is true.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
It is coming back around for sure, and I think
once we because there are songs I could probably I'd say,
ten years ago, I really couldn't tell you a song
that I think started the test of time. But now
I could go, yeah, okay, like some of the stuff
Benson's writing and yeah, I think for quite a while,
I agree.
Speaker 5 (08:42):
So, you know, there's just a lot of our Yeah,
I just feel like they're really you know, so I
cherish you know, the iconicness and and the as you say,
you know, classic songs like you know, having that my repertoire,
you know, and knowing that time where we just had records. Yeah,
(09:04):
so it's you know, we had vinyl put that's what
we put on you know.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Well, I know, and that's that's a crazy thing too,
when talking, you know, music with my daughter, it's you know,
not having this we have Spotify. I'm like, we had
I still remember my first Janet Jackson tape you know,
it wasn't it was It wasn't even a CD. And
it's like, I don't even yeah, I mean it's how
how was that back in you know, back in the
(09:29):
eighties nineties, being a pop artist in that era versus today?
Speaker 1 (09:34):
Do you think?
Speaker 5 (09:35):
Well, I think we all know what's versus today. You're
a mom, so I don't know when you were born,
but I can guarantee you didn't have a cell.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
Phone eighty three. So no, definitely not until high school
about that.
Speaker 5 (09:47):
It's great, not until high school. So what's changed so
much is there you know, the exposure, right, So that's
a great thing. But when I was making when I
first started out, I was in New York City. I
was in the epicenter that that's where I you know,
I was lucky. I was fortunate. But the writing, the songwriting,
the collaborations and the people that I ended. I worked
with the guy that flew who was living, who was
(10:07):
nineteen years old, living in a basement in a studio
in Long Island. And because I was going out to
I was already not just in the clubs, but already
doing record you know, contracts and record you know, doing
you know, but there was a small window you were
at one percent, that half a one percent that even
(10:28):
got noticed by a record company if you even had
a release or and so that's how I solved that problem.
I recorded. You know, when I met Rick Wake who
was my partner, he was nineteen. I was twenty one,
and we just started recording singles. But he was already
like work, you know, he was brought in from the
UK and the States. And I think you see a
(10:48):
lot of that brand awareness now of where these these
artists are understanding that it's not just you know American
idol or it's not just you know the voice where
you're going to be discovering did you have to come
in there? And I had a plethora of clubs and
bands that I was in before you saw any fame
out of me. And that's by the age of twenty one,
(11:12):
right of identifying and working on my craft and my
writing and my song and my style.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
How was it with the other pop stars in that era?
Was there a lot of I mean, obviously there's competition,
but how what was that world like back then?
Speaker 5 (11:33):
Well, it's funny because like if you else, you know,
the biggest pop star at the time, because I broke
in nineteen eighty eight, so that would be Madonna.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
I thought, I wasn't sure if it was like Madonna
or Mariah kind of in that same.
Speaker 5 (11:49):
No, no, no, Mariah I wish came after. And I'll tell
you how I know that because my management signed her.
It was Tommy Mottola and Champion. So when Mariah came in,
that was nineteen ninety and you know, I was pretty
big shit nineteen eighty seven, nineteen eighty eight, nineteen eighty nine,
and I was you know what pulled me extracted me
(12:11):
out of that one, you know, one single it was
tell It to My Heart. They only signed me for
single single option album. There was no album in the can.
But I don't think Ariston nor Clive ever made that
mistake again. They went on to making sure that they
had you know, and I was my own production company
with Rick Wikes. So the big artist then, I would
say it was Madonna as far as the pop world,
(12:34):
then of course Janet, you know. And so we were
watching and working and that first that first vision you
see of me is literally New York club. I was
wearing that stuff. That that the stuff that was indicative
of the cat club and dance ateria, and the music
(12:55):
I was making was was very you know. What Tell
It to my Heart was what we called the crossover records,
something that we could promote in the clubs, get the
record pools to get on board, and maybe get that
to the midnight radio station so they'll start to play it.
Because that's the only place there was was radio, right,
you had club and radio, club and radio. Now think
(13:18):
about all the device you know, every place, there's nothing
like that. So it was our chance to get the
record companies to take a look at me, I didn't
have like any you know, show what do they call them,
you know, showcases, showcases like you know where you know,
there was one for Whitney because you know obviously your
mom sissy and all that stuff in her hair, you know,
(13:38):
but there was no showcase for me of such of
such thing. I basically broke myself with you know, and
that's that's a story to be told and that you
can see that with a lot of artists now doing
that through their YouTube pages and things like that. But
the amount you know, I went through the Village Voice
and found Rick right, Yeah, it was a paper, that's it.
(14:01):
You know, there's no like, we had no community, no
online and no it was wild.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
Was it hard when you know, someone like Mariah gets
signed because I mean when I was on I used
to be on Warner Records, and when they would sign
other girls that would come on, it's you know, excited
for them, but also.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
It's the competition.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
Very well said it's hard because I was also aging Mariah.
Speaker 5 (14:26):
And I'm going to say this, and I hope LAMB
calls me back. But you know, I know, listen, I
met Madonna, I met Janet, I you know, but at
the time you're in a feverish. Nobody said it better
than Chapel Roam like you are, literally and there are
no cell phones, there's you physically have to show up
for every radio station. So when Mariah was signed to
(14:48):
it was because of her, you know, more than obviously
it wasn't just because of her. You know, she she
met Tommy directly and it was this real invasion. And yes,
I did feel like, wow, all this attention going to
her for and then of course the music came out.
Then of course they started using producers within my world
and I was pissed. And I think that's a natural
(15:09):
reaction that women are. You know, we are told, we
were not told and not taught to come together. That's
for sure. The competition was a little wild. But now
if you look at my phone and who my my
girls on the like you know between Belinda Carlisle, Debbie Gibson,
Tiffany to you know, it just goes on and goes
on and goes on. Alison Kraus like these are all
(15:30):
that I've met through yeah, like over the years and
Whyona And it's very different because you know, we took
our battle ones very differently Paula, all of us.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
Yeah, and yeah, I feel like it's just hard when
women do agency in the game.
Speaker 5 (15:45):
Yeah, well in the game now, so imagine you know,
I've done this now thirty seven years. So it comes
a point where you're like, ah, should I just pack
my shit up and go home? But no, that's not
I you know, no easy answers to that question.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
Your music is your you know, it's it's your life.
And yes, it's not.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
Maybe you're not on the top of the charts as
you were, as you were back in the in you know,
nineteen eighties, nineties, but it's still passion. It's yeah, you're
still touring.
Speaker 5 (16:17):
That's that's it. You know. So my tour I tour,
you know, and I've toured over the years tremendously, So
that is really, you know, the connection with your fans,
and all that does is build every time you get
a you know, every time between mass singer and all
these other you know, rhymes. I'm close to it, you know,
(16:37):
all of us that have gone through, you know, now
decades of you know, doing what we do and understanding
you know, Gwen, you know, Stefani, you know, you really
it's our job too, and if you look at like
the last show I just did in Germany, like I
don't know two weeks ago, you'll understand at the arena there,
so it me, boy George, You'll be forty Billy Ocean
(16:58):
Now I've known Billy. He was a label artist on Arista.
You think about it, but you think about the hits
he had, so you know, we fill up, you fill
up rooms.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
I love that.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
So it's like cornic era as well. The Ethees, wasn't it.
Speaker 4 (17:13):
Remember you had to record songs from the radio on
your cassette flip.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
Yeah, so good, so so so good.
Speaker 5 (17:22):
Oh for sure.
Speaker 4 (17:24):
Yeah the charts on a Sunday, Well, that was in
the UK. Might be different here.
Speaker 5 (17:27):
But the UK was like everything I broke in the UK,
I broke in Germany and the UK first they you know,
music like that, like tell it to my Like that
wasn't like indicative radio, you know, it really wasn't. You
had the artists that broke in the very mid eighties
was Charde, Whitney Houston and then we were like what
is this because of the pop facil you know, the
(17:50):
big voice and pop. Everything before that was very like
you know what we call freestyle now and just small voices,
but big jams and of course Lisa, Lisa, you can't
leave that out, you know, but that real drum and
bassed stuff. But the UK I was. I was on
Top of the Pops.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
That was my next question. Did you did you ever
go on to the Times? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (18:11):
Do you have a help of it? What Top of
the Pops? It was like the most iconic show, and.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
It is that like a TLC.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
It was like the it was what everyone chewed onto.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
Tl was pretty hot on MTV, of.
Speaker 5 (18:27):
Course, but I did that TLC. This was not this.
This was Top of was. I did Top of the Pops.
So next to me was Robert Plant when he was
doing the honey Drippers. Next to me, Sneadan O'Connor, Like,
you had a hit song, you were on Top of
the Pops. You're performing it that week with three other artists. Wow,
whoever it was? You know? Remember, you know my girlfriend
(18:50):
simply read it just goes on and on and on
the list. You know. Keith Sweat, I wanted it was
a huge hit when I broke the same thing for me.
So we did the entire you know, radio circuit together.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
Goose Bumps.
Speaker 4 (19:04):
Never a top of the pops such a big part
of your life growing up in the eighties, nineties and
the UK oh UK.
Speaker 5 (19:11):
But I think about what you what it encompassed, you know,
you know it was. It was a huge, amazing stuff.
It's like Dick.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
Bark in there, right, Oh yeah, that makes sense. Okay,
that's yeah.
Speaker 5 (19:24):
I like solid trained, like quite frankly, like we were
like Google are like, who's the new star? And believe me.
Paparazzi how about that? There was nothing in the States,
not until like late nineties, so paparazzi. I was chased
everywhere from eighty you know, Michael and then going on
tour Michael Jackson.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
How is that Michael Jackson tour?
Speaker 5 (19:47):
Well, I went from one single, huge hit single, so
they were following me around pretty heavy, but nothing, you know,
like to Michael Jackson where he and he loved the pandemonium,
did he Okay, like shocked, He's like yeah, so our
hotels were like just pulling up, you know, just was
it was like twenty five people thick in security. It's
(20:10):
just insane.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
Wow.
Speaker 5 (20:11):
But there was a motorcycle following and the driving and
the chaos. But he loved it. Prince we loved it.
We loved it.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
It's so interesting that you say he loved it, because
when I watch certain you know things about him, it
seems like he's so shy and introverted.
Speaker 5 (20:26):
That doesn't mean he didn't want the light on him.
His direction was stay humble, stay the course. He was
so he's it's like saying Taylor Swift, Taylor Swift, Michael Jackson.
You know, they're so targeted and internal with their you know,
their brand and also their their style of music. What
(20:48):
what Michael did on stage was he blew. He wanted
to blow the lights off the world. Sure, fans, we
saw production like we never saw before with the Jacksons,
which hit his intentions, lighting, design, production. Not to mention,
of course, we can go back to Pink Floyd, but
they weren't acrobats themselves. They weren't part of the you know,
it's not like we went to see them, but we
(21:09):
knew we were coming into a world, the Pink Floyd world,
and that was my you know what I saw first
time I saw that kind of acrobatic it was David
Lee Roth with Van Halen. When I saw that kind
of stage present, that was probably Robert Plant obviously, you know,
but they were rockers. It wasn't in the pop world.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Right, I love that? So how fun was did you
have fun on mass Singer?
Speaker 5 (21:35):
Oh my god? Imagine because I did it the year
what is it twice?
Speaker 1 (21:38):
It was season four?
Speaker 2 (21:39):
Right?
Speaker 1 (21:41):
Was that sweeted season four?
Speaker 5 (21:43):
Yeah? But it was that first season they let everything
go back because of COVID So we were all kind
of like, I'm like, they called, you know, Dina Kats.
I can't even she's amazing. She called me up. I'm
on a beach somewhere in Santa Blah Blarah with my manager,
like we're going we're going to be doing you know,
God knows. Anyway, long story short is she called she goes, Comrade,
(22:06):
what's Taylor doing in the next couple of weeks, We're bringing,
you know, mask thing or starting up again. We're like,
is that even possible? Like we didn't even understand, So yeah,
we did. We did our COVID test daily. We It
was a real in that was so wild beyond being
behind a mask, to be behind another mask yet it's.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
So so ridiculous if I can't it.
Speaker 5 (22:28):
Was a mask. We had a wear mask going in,
but wear that mask set and then another mask on
a stage and then of course, you know, the segregation
and not knowing who was. And it's so funny because
we all talked afterwards because obviously, you know, I knew
Looney Ann, but they never crossed me up. And I
certainly Nick Carter. I was like my manager, Nick, she
(22:51):
was my business matager. She was like, have we thought
that was you? But I was like, well, no, Nick
was the crocodile. He would like swipe me across the stage.
I was like, they kept us as separate as possible.
And I have to tell you we I know because
we felt so grateful, and I know because I spoken
to all of them except all over really as far
as the last winners, just like how grateful we were,
(23:11):
and also that it was a really very challenging and
it's also quite creative because we had every single solitary
costume designer, lighting director, production. Nobody was on the road.
They were right there with us and that show was
and they there was some really creative moments. Every choreographer.
(23:32):
I could imagine. I had a new choreographer for every song.
And by the time they knew I was, you know,
I was in it to win it they were like,
you know, I take three choreographers a day and we'd
work out a track and it was just I like
that stuff. That's high pressure and that's back and that's
a big pop game.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
Yeah, that's so, that's so cool.
Speaker 5 (23:51):
I love it.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
What made you choose the popcorn costume?
Speaker 5 (23:54):
You don't really choose, you you we had They wanted
me to either go pretty sexy rocker like cat woman style,
like real big like b or animal animal esque, and
then I said, we discussed being something a little bit
different instead of being that hottie kind of like blah
(24:15):
blah blah on coming in on a motorcycle, and when
popcorn they gave me an image and shoes. We've been talking.
I go, well, what if I kind of like go like,
you know, really like get into my girl, get into
like that little place and just be like miss America.
Nobody knows what's coming tomorrow. Or I just had this
very Americana feel and I just loved the idea of popcorn.
(24:36):
People watched me and just being a little girl about it,
but you know, really kind of that was my challenge
of changing it up and just being this little like kitten.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
That's fun. Oh, cool, just.
Speaker 5 (24:49):
Insane, and I got to work, you know, working with
the you know it was the head piece was was nuts.
But what was going on below was like I was
in like you know, we represented a lot of popka's.
I was like umbrella up the bottom of it. We
had a kind of tore so that up I got
my legs are this big? Guys don't don't you know
my couple, but like we have got to work this
stage And while you're blind and you're looking at one eye,
(25:11):
I could only see it was so tall. I'm little,
so I was only looking at my voice hole and
I'm like one time, you know, you walk off stage.
I walked right. I was also almost in the pit.
Production is just they're just genius. They were just such
pros and like I said, we had the best of
the vest during that season.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
Okay, Golden Bachelorette, you performed on there and then one
of the guys said they dated you, which I just find.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
What a shocker, Like You're like, oh did we please?
Speaker 5 (25:55):
Well? Hone? You see like a girl kind of like
me that, like you know, I'm sure sure you're married
now and have a child, but like you know, it's
not like I've not been on the shortlist of dating.
I've dated my entire life. If I've not been married yet,
I do have two in twins at twenty three. I've
had my long term relationships my short term. But I'm
kind of even that share boat, like, you know, we've
(26:16):
put things and I might have them. I was like,
did we I don't remember anything. Yeah, I don't remember.
You met me on a yacht in Chicago. I'm like,
first of all, that doesn't even queue up and boat
during the river. And I was like, I go, yeah, yeah, yeah,
shouldn't you be focused on Joan? And I'm like, you know,
pulling my feet off backstage doing hair and makeup. I'm like,
(26:36):
this guy's you know, would you ever.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
Do the golden if they asked you?
Speaker 5 (26:41):
Oh? God, well, I don't think my boyfriend Johnny would.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
Like that to Oh Johnny would not like that from
this point.
Speaker 5 (26:50):
That's only you know, we've been together a couple of years.
But you know, I never say never to anything.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
That is a true diva right there. I mean that
is that is, It's fantastic.
Speaker 5 (27:00):
I tell it like it is. I never say never
to anything like it's not really worth the you know,
things changed so rapidly in one's life daily. But at
the same time, I'm pretty my quality of life is
pretty darn good. I've gone through enough ups and downs
and bumps and beautiful moments, and you know, I live.
(27:21):
I live in a way where I never say never,
but you know, I sew have the energy and I'm
got a lot of things to still to do.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
I love that. Okay, new music, do we did? We
have some coming or.
Speaker 5 (27:35):
I released Capital Sessions during all that craziness and that
was pretty new for me. You can look that up.
And then I am back in the studio now. Starting
next week, believe it or not, we start writing again.
And I'm not sure what my direct we you know,
you know, to me it would it would probably be
(27:57):
more dancing back to kind of my my roots, but
that's new music. As far as touring, now, I go
back to Europe, you know, I'm now May June, I'll
be in Vienna. I just did Germany. I just did
Colonne slash Dusseldorf. It was amazing, and uh, you know,
just check out my tour dates because I tour a lot.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
Love Okay, Well, if you're in the Nashville close area,
we're coming well.
Speaker 5 (28:22):
I'll be I mean coming up. You could take a
little road trip, Diva, you could do it too.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
Diva Alder Child.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
We've got seventeen, nine, six and sixteen.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
Months, so seventeen that's it from that's my boy.
Speaker 4 (28:43):
I've got an older boy. There's seventeen. He'll be eighteen
this year.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
So but our baby together is sixteen months, so you know,
forty babies, so exciting.
Speaker 5 (28:55):
It is kind of exciting. It is. I thought about it.
I mean, I had my but I had mind late too,
so I get it. Thirty nine, forty my children and
I get it. These next ten years are going to count.
But boy, it's hard, right.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
Yeah, yeah, it is. Once you get older, everything just
kind of changes. But challenge you are.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
You are fantastic. Thank you so much for coming on.
Appreciate you and it's it's going to keep asking Spotify
to play taylored Dame because it's right baby fast. Thanks girl,
pleasure to meet you.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
I love to see you.
Speaker 5 (29:26):
Thanks
Wind Down with Janet Kramer and I'm heart Radio podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
All right, it was a boy band night on the
mass singer all four group se contestants singing everybody but
Backstreet Boys. I gotta tell you, I was watching this
on the treadmill because obviously we get screeners before y'all
see it, and I was just having a good old
time in the gym singing all these songs.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
It was so fun. I love boy bands.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
He's singing out load, babe.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
I was, who's your favorite boy band? Probably take that
that's a band? Yeah, okay, is this a British band? Okay,
that's why I have no clue. I was like, is
that a song?
Speaker 3 (00:48):
Younger? Younger?
Speaker 4 (00:48):
But then there was the My first introduction the boy
band was is it new kids on the Block?
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (00:54):
Yes, They're probably the best, most memorable ones for me
that I would listen to.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Well, first up to sing was Nessy and he's clearly
an artist. He's sang tearing up my Heart by and
sanc a goodie right there. He's obviously older because his
the stage clues that he dropped his ARP card, which
is hilarious.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
It was an ARP cad.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
It's like for old people.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
I googled it's like a travel card thing.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Oh, I thought it was for old people like your
AARP Like, No, it's like all I thought I was
for old people.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
So I thought, I was like, Okay, he's older.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
He's like past his fifties. That's hilarious. Maybe that's something else.
I don't know, maybe it is, but uh, Jenny Guest,
Darius Rucker Ken Pat Mahone Rita said Dave Matthews, I
honestly have no clue. I just know that he's was
back in the day, obviously a singer from all of that,
but I would I kind of was thinking like maybe
Darryl Hall. I definitely older.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
We said they did a lot of love love songs.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
Yeah, so I was thinking maybe Brian Adams.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
That's a good one.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Uh. And then I was thinking she.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
Is such a recognized he does, I know.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
So I don't know if he was, but I don't know.
It kind of sounds like Daryl Hall so but I
thought he was great. Next up was stud Man, a
stud muffin, and he sang Poisoned by Belle leave da
VOI again, I mean, he's a Grammy winner. There's just
no doubt in my mind that it's not method man.
(02:21):
But I loved his dance moves. Did you like that
was he broke it down? I was like yes, yeah.
Speaker 4 (02:30):
So when you hear like gold chain brotherhood rapper, that's like,
where do you start actually try and guessless.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
It's method man.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Moving on Yorkie. I love Yorkie so much. She just
puts a smile in my face. She sang step by step.
But New Kids on the Block that's my Also my
favorite back in the day boy band.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
It was it was.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
It was New Kids on the Block in sync Backstreet Boys,
nine d eight degrees and that. Having said that, Christmas
order is different. Christmas album, Christmas album nine day Degrees
has a bomb Christmas album from the very beginning.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
Anyways.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
Can you name a Yuk a Uk boyne from the
eighties on lateties?
Speaker 1 (03:13):
No, not one.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
I had the West Life.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
Oh I love West Life.
Speaker 5 (03:17):
The Savage Garden Is that one?
Speaker 3 (03:20):
I think so? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (03:22):
Yeah, because Savage Garden and West Life Simon Cole put
them together. I thought there were two thousands were the
Late Night That's a good one. Oh I have to
listen to that one. Okay, Oh that's a really West Life. Yeah,
that was.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
That was a goodie. My name is Yorkie.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
I think it's Erica Jane because of a few reasons.
I saw Teddy Mellencamp. She was watching and videoing watching it,
and so they've got a really close relationship. And then
I started just thinking about the clues and then the
singing voice, and I think it's Erica Jane, which would
be so cool.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
So I was thinking Partis Hilton.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Yeah, Rita has thought Harris, but then.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
She said that she met was it. Now I've got
that wrong.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
That's okay.
Speaker 4 (04:12):
No, you met Partis Hilton at an event and said,
oh I was. She said that was on the mass
thing as she gets zero response, Oh that's funny.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
But I still think it might be her.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Last up to reform was the mad Scientist Monster met
his girlfriend at friendsgiving Grandfather Clock.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
You must know this one.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
I still think it's Ronnie Done, But there's a piece
of me that thinks maybe Scotti McCreary, because he's got
like that old school sounding voice. But I still just
think it's Ronnie Done in my heart of hearts, he
sounds a grind done. Having said that, a lot of
these younger dudes sound like some of those iconic older guys.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
Yeah, what's the one that you've been lessing to recently?
It sounds like Kilvis.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
Oh yeah, exactly, So it's just you know, but yeah,
he's saying I swear by all for one, so good,
which also, ah, just makes me remind myself of the
of my other boy band. I liked it was all
it was well, obviously Boys to Men their boy band
can you say boy Wand yeah, I wasn't sure if
(05:22):
it was like it has to be four and over,
but Boys to Men actually is before Backstreet Boys, So yeah,
InSync Boys to Men. There was another one though, All
for One. There was these guys that saying I swear
all for one. Oh there it is. Oh my gosh,
I'm so that's what that was. The band All for One.
Speaker 4 (05:39):
Okay, guess is definitely not Tim McGraw, no recognizable.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Maybe Alan Jackson, but I still again think Ronnie.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
D not Keith Hoben, No.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
No, no, no.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
Last Clue has a whole street named after him and
his crew. Stud Muffin is a method man. We called it,
we knew it, good old method man. Yeah, and unfortunately
we don't have method man.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Today.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
But we have another icon another diva, Taylor Dane, one
of my fates. Tell it to my heart, I'll always
she's saying, prove your love. I mean, love will lead
you back. She's iconic. She appeared on season four as
popcorn was revealed in episode ten. She's gonna come and
(06:27):
tell us all things about her era and what she's
still up to. Hey, Hi, how are you doing very well? Well,
(06:47):
we'll just jump right into it. I'm a huge fan.
I'm like ginormous fan, and I was just going back
through your songs this morning, and I mean, Jess like
so good, so so good. It just brought me back
to some good old childhood memories. We would make up
dances in my basement with my girlfriends to your songs.
Speaker 5 (07:08):
Yeah, well, I understand, I do, and I appreciate that.
I love it. I love hearing stories like that. But
I mean, you know, thirty seven years so something.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
Had some you know, well they're timeless, you know, as
I'm as I'm singing them now, I mean, they're just
they're timeless songs.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
They've been on our head the whole morning.
Speaker 4 (07:27):
So she played them and they don't My comment was,
they just don't make song iconic songs like that anymore.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
I don't stick that, I think so No.
Speaker 5 (07:36):
I think where we're just at now is because you know,
obviously you guys are a little bit younger, but like
I mean, I love some of the art, Like you know,
I was at the Grammy and I really feel like
they're some incredible artists are coming out and it's.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
True, Like Billie Eilish, she's like she's.
Speaker 5 (07:55):
Like, there's so many Yeah, chap Well goes on just
when it goes on and goes on, and I feel
like they're back to songwriting. You know, the song is
not just the pop world, and it's very classic, and
I know my records just did the test of time.
So that's just a lovely thing to be able to
sit here and chat about. But it's like it's very
(08:17):
you know, that's what I think they're writing some really
classic you know, really that is true.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
It is coming back around for sure, and I think
once we because there are songs I could probably I'd say,
ten years ago, I really couldn't tell you a song
that I think started the test of time. But now
I could go, yeah, okay, like some of the stuff
Benson's writing and yeah, I think for quite a while,
I agree.
Speaker 5 (08:42):
So, you know, there's just a lot of our Yeah,
I just feel like they're really you know, so I
cherish you know, the iconicness and and the as you say,
you know, classic songs like you know, having that my repertoire,
you know, and knowing that time where we just had records. Yeah,
(09:04):
so it's you know, we had vinyl put that's what
we put on you know.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Well, I know, and that's that's a crazy thing too,
when talking, you know, music with my daughter, it's you know,
not having this we have Spotify. I'm like, we had
I still remember my first Janet Jackson tape you know,
it wasn't it was It wasn't even a CD. And
it's like, I don't even yeah, I mean it's how
how was that back in you know, back in the
(09:29):
eighties nineties, being a pop artist in that era versus today?
Speaker 1 (09:34):
Do you think?
Speaker 5 (09:35):
Well, I think we all know what's versus today. You're
a mom, so I don't know when you were born,
but I can guarantee you didn't have a cell.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
Phone eighty three. So no, definitely not until high school
about that.
Speaker 5 (09:47):
It's great, not until high school. So what's changed so
much is there you know, the exposure, right, So that's
a great thing. But when I was making when I
first started out, I was in New York City. I
was in the epicenter that that's where I you know,
I was lucky. I was fortunate. But the writing, the songwriting,
the collaborations and the people that I ended. I worked
with the guy that flew who was living, who was
(10:07):
nineteen years old, living in a basement in a studio
in Long Island. And because I was going out to
I was already not just in the clubs, but already
doing record you know, contracts and record you know, doing
you know, but there was a small window you were
at one percent, that half a one percent that even
(10:28):
got noticed by a record company if you even had
a release or and so that's how I solved that problem.
I recorded. You know, when I met Rick Wake who
was my partner, he was nineteen. I was twenty one,
and we just started recording singles. But he was already
like work, you know, he was brought in from the
UK and the States. And I think you see a
(10:48):
lot of that brand awareness now of where these these
artists are understanding that it's not just you know American
idol or it's not just you know the voice where
you're going to be discovering did you have to come
in there? And I had a plethora of clubs and
bands that I was in before you saw any fame
out of me. And that's by the age of twenty one,
(11:12):
right of identifying and working on my craft and my
writing and my song and my style.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
How was it with the other pop stars in that era?
Was there a lot of I mean, obviously there's competition,
but how what was that world like back then?
Speaker 5 (11:33):
Well, it's funny because like if you else, you know,
the biggest pop star at the time, because I broke
in nineteen eighty eight, so that would be Madonna.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
I thought, I wasn't sure if it was like Madonna
or Mariah kind of in that same.
Speaker 5 (11:49):
No, no, no, Mariah I wish came after. And I'll tell
you how I know that because my management signed her.
It was Tommy Mottola and Champion. So when Mariah came in,
that was nineteen ninety and you know, I was pretty
big shit nineteen eighty seven, nineteen eighty eight, nineteen eighty nine,
and I was you know what pulled me extracted me
(12:11):
out of that one, you know, one single it was
tell It to My Heart. They only signed me for
single single option album. There was no album in the can.
But I don't think Ariston nor Clive ever made that
mistake again. They went on to making sure that they
had you know, and I was my own production company
with Rick Wikes. So the big artist then, I would
say it was Madonna as far as the pop world,
(12:34):
then of course Janet, you know. And so we were
watching and working and that first that first vision you
see of me is literally New York club. I was
wearing that stuff. That that the stuff that was indicative
of the cat club and dance ateria, and the music
(12:55):
I was making was was very you know. What Tell
It to my Heart was what we called the crossover records,
something that we could promote in the clubs, get the
record pools to get on board, and maybe get that
to the midnight radio station so they'll start to play it.
Because that's the only place there was was radio, right,
you had club and radio, club and radio. Now think
(13:18):
about all the device you know, every place, there's nothing
like that. So it was our chance to get the
record companies to take a look at me, I didn't
have like any you know, show what do they call them,
you know, showcases, showcases like you know where you know,
there was one for Whitney because you know obviously your
mom sissy and all that stuff in her hair, you know,
(13:38):
but there was no showcase for me of such of
such thing. I basically broke myself with you know, and
that's that's a story to be told and that you
can see that with a lot of artists now doing
that through their YouTube pages and things like that. But
the amount you know, I went through the Village Voice
and found Rick right, Yeah, it was a paper, that's it.
(14:01):
You know, there's no like, we had no community, no
online and no it was wild.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
Was it hard when you know, someone like Mariah gets
signed because I mean when I was on I used
to be on Warner Records, and when they would sign
other girls that would come on, it's you know, excited
for them, but also.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
It's the competition.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
Very well said it's hard because I was also aging Mariah.
Speaker 5 (14:26):
And I'm going to say this, and I hope LAMB
calls me back. But you know, I know, listen, I
met Madonna, I met Janet, I you know, but at
the time you're in a feverish. Nobody said it better
than Chapel Roam like you are, literally and there are
no cell phones, there's you physically have to show up
for every radio station. So when Mariah was signed to
(14:48):
it was because of her, you know, more than obviously
it wasn't just because of her. You know, she she
met Tommy directly and it was this real invasion. And yes,
I did feel like, wow, all this attention going to
her for and then of course the music came out.
Then of course they started using producers within my world
and I was pissed. And I think that's a natural
(15:09):
reaction that women are. You know, we are told, we
were not told and not taught to come together. That's
for sure. The competition was a little wild. But now
if you look at my phone and who my my
girls on the like you know between Belinda Carlisle, Debbie Gibson,
Tiffany to you know, it just goes on and goes
on and goes on. Alison Kraus like these are all
(15:30):
that I've met through yeah, like over the years and
Whyona And it's very different because you know, we took
our battle ones very differently Paula, all of us.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
Yeah, and yeah, I feel like it's just hard when
women do agency in the game.
Speaker 5 (15:45):
Yeah, well in the game now, so imagine you know,
I've done this now thirty seven years. So it comes
a point where you're like, ah, should I just pack
my shit up and go home? But no, that's not
I you know, no easy answers to that question.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
Your music is your you know, it's it's your life.
And yes, it's not.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
Maybe you're not on the top of the charts as
you were, as you were back in the in you know,
nineteen eighties, nineties, but it's still passion. It's yeah, you're
still touring.
Speaker 5 (16:17):
That's that's it. You know. So my tour I tour,
you know, and I've toured over the years tremendously, So
that is really, you know, the connection with your fans,
and all that does is build every time you get
a you know, every time between mass singer and all
these other you know, rhymes. I'm close to it, you know,
(16:37):
all of us that have gone through, you know, now
decades of you know, doing what we do and understanding
you know, Gwen, you know, Stefani, you know, you really
it's our job too, and if you look at like
the last show I just did in Germany, like I
don't know two weeks ago, you'll understand at the arena there,
so it me, boy George, You'll be forty Billy Ocean
(16:58):
Now I've known Billy. He was a label artist on Arista.
You think about it, but you think about the hits
he had, so you know, we fill up, you fill
up rooms.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
I love that.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
So it's like cornic era as well. The Ethees, wasn't it.
Speaker 4 (17:13):
Remember you had to record songs from the radio on
your cassette flip.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
Yeah, so good, so so so good.
Speaker 5 (17:22):
Oh for sure.
Speaker 4 (17:24):
Yeah the charts on a Sunday, Well, that was in
the UK. Might be different here.
Speaker 5 (17:27):
But the UK was like everything I broke in the UK,
I broke in Germany and the UK first they you know,
music like that, like tell it to my Like that
wasn't like indicative radio, you know, it really wasn't. You
had the artists that broke in the very mid eighties
was Charde, Whitney Houston and then we were like what
is this because of the pop facil you know, the
(17:50):
big voice and pop. Everything before that was very like
you know what we call freestyle now and just small voices,
but big jams and of course Lisa, Lisa, you can't
leave that out, you know, but that real drum and
bassed stuff. But the UK I was. I was on
Top of the Pops.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
That was my next question. Did you did you ever
go on to the Times? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (18:11):
Do you have a help of it? What Top of
the Pops? It was like the most iconic show, and.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
It is that like a TLC.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
It was like the it was what everyone chewed onto.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
Tl was pretty hot on MTV, of.
Speaker 5 (18:27):
Course, but I did that TLC. This was not this.
This was Top of was. I did Top of the Pops.
So next to me was Robert Plant when he was
doing the honey Drippers. Next to me, Sneadan O'Connor, Like,
you had a hit song, you were on Top of
the Pops. You're performing it that week with three other artists. Wow,
whoever it was? You know? Remember, you know my girlfriend
(18:50):
simply read it just goes on and on and on
the list. You know. Keith Sweat, I wanted it was
a huge hit when I broke the same thing for me.
So we did the entire you know, radio circuit together.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
Goose Bumps.
Speaker 4 (19:04):
Never a top of the pops such a big part
of your life growing up in the eighties, nineties and
the UK oh UK.
Speaker 5 (19:11):
But I think about what you what it encompassed, you know,
you know it was. It was a huge, amazing stuff.
It's like Dick.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
Bark in there, right, Oh yeah, that makes sense. Okay,
that's yeah.
Speaker 5 (19:24):
I like solid trained, like quite frankly, like we were
like Google are like, who's the new star? And believe me.
Paparazzi how about that? There was nothing in the States,
not until like late nineties, so paparazzi. I was chased
everywhere from eighty you know, Michael and then going on
tour Michael Jackson.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
How is that Michael Jackson tour?
Speaker 5 (19:47):
Well, I went from one single, huge hit single, so
they were following me around pretty heavy, but nothing, you know,
like to Michael Jackson where he and he loved the pandemonium,
did he Okay, like shocked, He's like yeah, so our
hotels were like just pulling up, you know, just was
it was like twenty five people thick in security. It's
(20:10):
just insane.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
Wow.
Speaker 5 (20:11):
But there was a motorcycle following and the driving and
the chaos. But he loved it. Prince we loved it.
We loved it.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
It's so interesting that you say he loved it, because
when I watch certain you know things about him, it
seems like he's so shy and introverted.
Speaker 5 (20:26):
That doesn't mean he didn't want the light on him.
His direction was stay humble, stay the course. He was
so he's it's like saying Taylor Swift, Taylor Swift, Michael Jackson.
You know, they're so targeted and internal with their you know,
their brand and also their their style of music. What
(20:48):
what Michael did on stage was he blew. He wanted
to blow the lights off the world. Sure, fans, we
saw production like we never saw before with the Jacksons,
which hit his intentions, lighting, design, production. Not to mention,
of course, we can go back to Pink Floyd, but
they weren't acrobats themselves. They weren't part of the you know,
it's not like we went to see them, but we
(21:09):
knew we were coming into a world, the Pink Floyd world,
and that was my you know what I saw first
time I saw that kind of acrobatic it was David
Lee Roth with Van Halen. When I saw that kind
of stage present, that was probably Robert Plant obviously, you know,
but they were rockers. It wasn't in the pop world.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Right, I love that? So how fun was did you
have fun on mass Singer?
Speaker 5 (21:35):
Oh my god? Imagine because I did it the year
what is it twice?
Speaker 1 (21:38):
It was season four?
Speaker 2 (21:39):
Right?
Speaker 1 (21:41):
Was that sweeted season four?
Speaker 5 (21:43):
Yeah? But it was that first season they let everything
go back because of COVID So we were all kind
of like, I'm like, they called, you know, Dina Kats.
I can't even she's amazing. She called me up. I'm
on a beach somewhere in Santa Blah Blarah with my manager,
like we're going we're going to be doing you know,
God knows. Anyway, long story short is she called she goes, Comrade,
(22:06):
what's Taylor doing in the next couple of weeks, We're bringing,
you know, mask thing or starting up again. We're like,
is that even possible? Like we didn't even understand, So yeah,
we did. We did our COVID test daily. We It
was a real in that was so wild beyond being
behind a mask, to be behind another mask yet it's.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
So so ridiculous if I can't it.
Speaker 5 (22:28):
Was a mask. We had a wear mask going in,
but wear that mask set and then another mask on
a stage and then of course, you know, the segregation
and not knowing who was. And it's so funny because
we all talked afterwards because obviously, you know, I knew
Looney Ann, but they never crossed me up. And I
certainly Nick Carter. I was like my manager, Nick, she
(22:51):
was my business matager. She was like, have we thought
that was you? But I was like, well, no, Nick
was the crocodile. He would like swipe me across the stage.
I was like, they kept us as separate as possible.
And I have to tell you we I know because
we felt so grateful, and I know because I spoken
to all of them except all over really as far
as the last winners, just like how grateful we were,
(23:11):
and also that it was a really very challenging and
it's also quite creative because we had every single solitary
costume designer, lighting director, production. Nobody was on the road.
They were right there with us and that show was
and they there was some really creative moments. Every choreographer.
(23:32):
I could imagine. I had a new choreographer for every song.
And by the time they knew I was, you know,
I was in it to win it they were like,
you know, I take three choreographers a day and we'd
work out a track and it was just I like
that stuff. That's high pressure and that's back and that's
a big pop game.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
Yeah, that's so, that's so cool.
Speaker 5 (23:51):
I love it.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
What made you choose the popcorn costume?
Speaker 5 (23:54):
You don't really choose, you you we had They wanted
me to either go pretty sexy rocker like cat woman style,
like real big like b or animal animal esque, and
then I said, we discussed being something a little bit
different instead of being that hottie kind of like blah
(24:15):
blah blah on coming in on a motorcycle, and when
popcorn they gave me an image and shoes. We've been talking.
I go, well, what if I kind of like go like,
you know, really like get into my girl, get into
like that little place and just be like miss America.
Nobody knows what's coming tomorrow. Or I just had this
very Americana feel and I just loved the idea of popcorn.
(24:36):
People watched me and just being a little girl about it,
but you know, really kind of that was my challenge
of changing it up and just being this little like kitten.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
That's fun. Oh, cool, just.
Speaker 5 (24:49):
Insane, and I got to work, you know, working with
the you know it was the head piece was was nuts.
But what was going on below was like I was
in like you know, we represented a lot of popka's.
I was like umbrella up the bottom of it. We
had a kind of tore so that up I got
my legs are this big? Guys don't don't you know
my couple, but like we have got to work this
stage And while you're blind and you're looking at one eye,
(25:11):
I could only see it was so tall. I'm little,
so I was only looking at my voice hole and
I'm like one time, you know, you walk off stage.
I walked right. I was also almost in the pit.
Production is just they're just genius. They were just such
pros and like I said, we had the best of
the vest during that season.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
Okay, Golden Bachelorette, you performed on there and then one
of the guys said they dated you, which I just find.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
What a shocker, Like You're like, oh did we please?
Speaker 5 (25:55):
Well? Hone? You see like a girl kind of like
me that, like you know, I'm sure sure you're married
now and have a child, but like you know, it's
not like I've not been on the shortlist of dating.
I've dated my entire life. If I've not been married yet,
I do have two in twins at twenty three. I've
had my long term relationships my short term. But I'm
kind of even that share boat, like, you know, we've
(26:16):
put things and I might have them. I was like,
did we I don't remember anything. Yeah, I don't remember.
You met me on a yacht in Chicago. I'm like,
first of all, that doesn't even queue up and boat
during the river. And I was like, I go, yeah, yeah, yeah,
shouldn't you be focused on Joan? And I'm like, you know,
pulling my feet off backstage doing hair and makeup. I'm like,
(26:36):
this guy's you know, would you ever.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
Do the golden if they asked you?
Speaker 5 (26:41):
Oh? God, well, I don't think my boyfriend Johnny would.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
Like that to Oh Johnny would not like that from
this point.
Speaker 5 (26:50):
That's only you know, we've been together a couple of years.
But you know, I never say never to anything.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
That is a true diva right there. I mean that
is that is, It's fantastic.
Speaker 5 (27:00):
I tell it like it is. I never say never
to anything like it's not really worth the you know,
things changed so rapidly in one's life daily. But at
the same time, I'm pretty my quality of life is
pretty darn good. I've gone through enough ups and downs
and bumps and beautiful moments, and you know, I live.
(27:21):
I live in a way where I never say never,
but you know, I sew have the energy and I'm
got a lot of things to still to do.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
I love that. Okay, new music, do we did? We
have some coming or.
Speaker 5 (27:35):
I released Capital Sessions during all that craziness and that
was pretty new for me. You can look that up.
And then I am back in the studio now. Starting
next week, believe it or not, we start writing again.
And I'm not sure what my direct we you know,
you know, to me it would it would probably be
(27:57):
more dancing back to kind of my my roots, but
that's new music. As far as touring, now, I go
back to Europe, you know, I'm now May June, I'll
be in Vienna. I just did Germany. I just did
Colonne slash Dusseldorf. It was amazing, and uh, you know,
just check out my tour dates because I tour a lot.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
Love Okay, Well, if you're in the Nashville close area,
we're coming well.
Speaker 5 (28:22):
I'll be I mean coming up. You could take a
little road trip, Diva, you could do it too.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
Diva Alder Child.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
We've got seventeen, nine, six and sixteen.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
Months, so seventeen that's it from that's my boy.
Speaker 4 (28:43):
I've got an older boy. There's seventeen. He'll be eighteen
this year.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
So but our baby together is sixteen months, so you know,
forty babies, so exciting.
Speaker 5 (28:55):
It is kind of exciting. It is. I thought about it.
I mean, I had my but I had mind late too,
so I get it. Thirty nine, forty my children and
I get it. These next ten years are going to count.
But boy, it's hard, right.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
Yeah, yeah, it is. Once you get older, everything just
kind of changes. But challenge you are.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
You are fantastic. Thank you so much for coming on.
Appreciate you and it's it's going to keep asking Spotify
to play taylored Dame because it's right baby fast. Thanks girl,
pleasure to meet you.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
I love to see you.
Speaker 5 (29:26):
Thanks
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