The world is moving very quickly, and a lot of us have questions about the future. What is ahead for artificial intelligence? What is ahead for the economy? Kevin Cirilli is a widely respected journalist and “futurist” who has some thoughts about how our lives will change in the coming years.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Previously on your Morning show with Michael dil Choono.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
I have Kevin Sarelli here who is a journalist and
a futurist, and we've going to talk about artificial intelligence
and the economy. I guess we would quickly turn to
also an unknown in the future next Pope.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
Hey, good morning.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
You know there is so much to look at from
a futuristic standpoint. I would think the economy and then
how the tariffs play out would be an urgent one.
But artificial intelligence, that's gotta be the biggest thing on
your radar.
Speaker 4 (00:31):
Right, yeah, you know it is. Are you polite? Michael?
First of all, it's straight to me al with you.
Thanks for having good morning. Polite to your artificial intelligence?
Do you say you're pleasing thank you to Siri or
to Alexa or to chat gpt.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Me.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
I don't ever use it. Sorry, I'm a bad example.
Speaker 4 (00:47):
You don't even use it? No? No, well listen, Well
that's so I would I would surmise that you are
using artificial intelligence.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Well, yeah, but I mean not formally in terms of
having conversation.
Speaker 4 (00:58):
With interesting Okay, Well, sixty seven percent of Americans say
that they are polite to their artificial intelligence. And when
they dug deeper the polsters did, they found that some
folks were concerned that there would be like some type
of AI uprising where they would be able to decipher
who's more polite to their AI and who's not. But
(01:18):
Sam Altman, who's the CEO of open AI, which ownes CHATGPT, said,
stop being so polite to Alexa. It's a sery to
chat GPT because it's costing them tens of millions of
dollars in electricity. And because yet to remember, artificial intelligence
is powered by electricity, and that's why America is building
all of these data centers all over the country, and
(01:41):
these data centers, several of them are even powered by
nuclear energy. Because just because you can't see the AI
or see the computing power, it doesn't mean that it
doesn't exist. So all of this is really positioning the
United States to have to really grapple with its electricity infrastructure, sure,
at a rate that we haven't seen in decades.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
All Right, So the biggest thing from a futuristic standpoint
that nobody talks about is the electricity usage in artificial
intelligent I would presume, and I was trying to draw
Kevin from what you were saying, the more polite we are,
the more interaction there is.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
In other words, what gets straighter to the.
Speaker 4 (02:17):
Point exactly to SCHGPT has to parse, process and respond
to all of this, and so you know, the usage
of it is really just interesting and fascinating. You know,
last month at the National Press Club here in Washington, DC,
I interviewed one of the top generals of the United
States Space Force, General Gagnon, and I asked him point
(02:38):
blank what should Americans know about the space domain? And
what he said to me was that space security is
national security. The average American interacts with space more than
two dozen times per day, and they don't even realize
that everything that you use your device is your Internet,
your AI, eventually your quantum computing power, which is the
(02:58):
next thing after AI that will happen in our lifetime.
Everything goes right up to space. And I'm not talking
about an eleven minute space trip that goes up and
down to space, but protecting the satellite infrastructure, protecting the
space domain is vital to preserving Americans' interests, not just
here in the United States for our way of life,
(03:19):
but also for the global order. You know I'm a millennial.
I'm the last generation that can remember life before the Internet.
Gen Z is the last generation that can remember life
before artificial intelligence. So as we continue to evolve with
this technology, protecting the infrastructure around it, which is underwater
in the oceans and an outer space is just vital.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
Kevin surreally is a futuristic journalists joining us. I'm looking
at my phone right now and I'm thinking, how would
I track my children if I didn't have three sixty
we'd get in the car if we didn't have GPS.
I mean that interaction is all around us. But when
we talk about artificial intelligence too. I notice now when
I put a question into Google, I get the AI
response first, So we're definitely in a new wave of AI.
(04:06):
In other words, I want to ask it to you
this week, Kevin, how different is our usage in interaction
with AI today than even a year ago.
Speaker 4 (04:15):
Oh that's a great question, and you're noticing it not
only just in how Google and Alphabet the parent company
and Google are leveraging it, but also even in everything
from going to the doctor's office, where how your how
you your doctor's team, and is looking at your doctor's
records and automating many of the processes and procedures. I
(04:39):
would put it this way, it's going to be even
more intertwined. And I write about this on Meetthefuture dot
substack dot com. It's going to be even more intertwined
in just five years. Over the weekend, the Beijing half
Marathon took place, and Chinese Communist Party ran twenty one
humanoid robots in the half marizon. Only six of them finished,
(05:02):
and they were very slow. The others just collapse. But
the way that you look and humanoid robots are coming,
and they're coming very quickly in our lifetime. The way
that we put apps on our iPhone or applications on
our smartphones, AI AI systems are going to program humanoid robots. Now,
(05:24):
they're not going to necessarily take your jobs, but they
are going to force the American economy to modernize to
create new jobs. And that's one of the things that
I think will be the most significant change over the
next couple of years.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
I suspect already, Kevin, everything they're reading online has been
rewritten by AI. I don't know that we've achieved it yet,
but it's going to grow more and more where your
newspeople and or your disc jockeys could be AI in
the future. We'll get to all that, but I want
to do something deeper that I don't know anybody else'll
(06:00):
do this with you today.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
So it's going to catch you off guard.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
But if you've ever seen y yeah, no, if you've
ever seen the documentary The Social Dilemma, you know the
mess we've made with technology and with the learning that
these computers do, and once they start, there's no stopping it.
And what it created was several things addiction and at
(06:23):
young ages, lack of sleep, a social disorder with a
perfection culture. I mean, there was a lot of negative
that came from it. Most of the people that created
these algorithms don't allow their kids to participate in them.
But isolation and loneliness was the real result of all
the technology we've experienced in twenty years through social media.
(06:45):
And AI is going to offer you the solution to
that loneliness with these AI bots and or robots that
are coming that people are going to have artificial relationships
to solve the artificial loneliness that was created. How can
the problem create the solution would be my question for you.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
But that's a I.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
Can already see that, and when you when we worried
about TikTok, imagine people having relationships with these AI bots,
both emotionally and unfortunately sexually to some degree, and what
they might tell them that is giving a lot of
in no other words, there's a lot of negativity. Just
like whenever there's a new invention, there's somebody good that
(07:24):
sits down to do good things with that, there's also
bad people to sit down to do bad things with it.
How do you process that as you look to the future.
Speaker 4 (07:32):
No, I think it's a great question, and it's one
of the defining cultural questions of our time. I think
it's a brilliant question, and I write about this on
meetafuture dot substat dot com. Because in Japan, for example,
there are robotic companions companies that are popping up, and
so people are are having friendships with robots, and that
there are companies that are leveraging that. But I would
(07:57):
argue that it's not really that different than a child
given a toy. Humans have always had uh relationships with
with non human objects a teddy bear, for example, So
obviously that's a.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
Very time and childhood not for your In otherwords, if
there is a creator, and we were creating his image,
and we were created that have interaction with each other.
You're trying to make a deposit that can't be made.
It can just be felt like it's made.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
I mean, I just see a lot of real chaos
coming in the future, and I don't I don't necessarily
expect you to make that go away. But boy, I
don't think it's not. I don't think anybody sees it
coming and it's here.
Speaker 4 (08:39):
Well, you know, but I do think. I think it's
to finish the point. I think the other the other
half of that is that there are a lot of
technology companies right now who are exploring, particularly in the
PTSD space, for how artificial intelligence can be used to
treat not just the patient, but also the patient's family
(09:00):
for the first warning signs of self harm or other
UH negative traits. In the addiction space as well. There
was actually one UH study that was greenlit in California
for criminals in jail who were in solitary confinement, and
they were given virtual reality headsets too to see how
(09:23):
that would impact their mental health, and they were able
to be taken out of solitary confinement still in prison,
but they were but the ruckus that they were causing
within the prison system, because they were treated with VR headsets,
they were able to change some of their behavior. And
so to your point, yes, is they're bad. Of course
there's bad. Of course there's that. But to your other point,
(09:47):
which is how technologists can be looking on the digital
frontier to solve problems, that's also happening as well. Sure,
you know we have to we have to look into
that and talk about that. I think more as well.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
Kevin.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
You're good, and I wish I could talk to you
almost monthly. I don't know if that's even possible, if
there's any way.
Speaker 4 (10:04):
To contact to be an honor, Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Oh it's just remember this when our hang on the line,
when we're done, and Jeffrey will give you our information
because I don't come across people that are really good
very often, and when I do, I don't let.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
Go of them.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
Final question for you, and just give us the big picture,
because I know I've already taken more time than I
was allowed. We had the industrial revenue, industrial revolution, rule
was unrecognizable after it, We've had the technology revolution. The
world is unrecognizable after it is AI a continuation of
that or something completely third in its element, And I
think it's the latter.
Speaker 4 (10:40):
I think it's I think it's I think it's part
of the same evolution. I really truly do. I think
the Gutenberg Bible is it created. You know, you go
all the way back in time with the printing press.
And I think that America has a lot to celebrate
with our innovation, and we just got it to your point,
just continue to look at the best practices around it
to make it better for life. I don't want to
(11:01):
live in a world without GPS, and America should celebrate that.
So I think that there's more that's coming that's good
if we can harness the power.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
So should it be feared or should it be anticipated excitedly?
Speaker 3 (11:13):
Both? Maybe?
Speaker 4 (11:14):
Right, depends what we do with exactly. That's right, that's
the ride, right, that's the boy.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
I love that line. On that line, we will lend.
That's the ride. Kevin Sirelli, nice Italian boy, I.
Speaker 4 (11:25):
Think, right, Yes, sir, yes, sir, all right.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
I'm del giorno. Don't lose touch. I really love this.
Speaker 4 (11:32):
I've got to stick together.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
Yeah, you're very You're.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
A very smart young man. I want to talk to
you again in the future. God bless you.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
Miss a little, miss a lot, miss a lot, and
we'll miss you. It's your Morning Show with Michael del Churno.
Previously on your Morning show with Michael dil Choono.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
I have Kevin Sarelli here who is a journalist and
a futurist, and we've going to talk about artificial intelligence
and the economy. I guess we would quickly turn to
also an unknown in the future next Pope.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
Hey, good morning.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
You know there is so much to look at from
a futuristic standpoint. I would think the economy and then
how the tariffs play out would be an urgent one.
But artificial intelligence, that's gotta be the biggest thing on
your radar.
Speaker 4 (00:31):
Right, yeah, you know it is. Are you polite? Michael?
First of all, it's straight to me al with you.
Thanks for having good morning. Polite to your artificial intelligence?
Do you say you're pleasing thank you to Siri or
to Alexa or to chat gpt.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Me.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
I don't ever use it. Sorry, I'm a bad example.
Speaker 4 (00:47):
You don't even use it? No? No, well listen, Well
that's so I would I would surmise that you are
using artificial intelligence.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Well, yeah, but I mean not formally in terms of
having conversation.
Speaker 4 (00:58):
With interesting Okay, Well, sixty seven percent of Americans say
that they are polite to their artificial intelligence. And when
they dug deeper the polsters did, they found that some
folks were concerned that there would be like some type
of AI uprising where they would be able to decipher
who's more polite to their AI and who's not. But
(01:18):
Sam Altman, who's the CEO of open AI, which ownes CHATGPT, said,
stop being so polite to Alexa. It's a sery to
chat GPT because it's costing them tens of millions of
dollars in electricity. And because yet to remember, artificial intelligence
is powered by electricity, and that's why America is building
all of these data centers all over the country, and
(01:41):
these data centers, several of them are even powered by
nuclear energy. Because just because you can't see the AI
or see the computing power, it doesn't mean that it
doesn't exist. So all of this is really positioning the
United States to have to really grapple with its electricity infrastructure, sure,
at a rate that we haven't seen in decades.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
All Right, So the biggest thing from a futuristic standpoint
that nobody talks about is the electricity usage in artificial
intelligent I would presume, and I was trying to draw
Kevin from what you were saying, the more polite we are,
the more interaction there is.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
In other words, what gets straighter to the.
Speaker 4 (02:17):
Point exactly to SCHGPT has to parse, process and respond
to all of this, and so you know, the usage
of it is really just interesting and fascinating. You know,
last month at the National Press Club here in Washington, DC,
I interviewed one of the top generals of the United
States Space Force, General Gagnon, and I asked him point
(02:38):
blank what should Americans know about the space domain? And
what he said to me was that space security is
national security. The average American interacts with space more than
two dozen times per day, and they don't even realize
that everything that you use your device is your Internet,
your AI, eventually your quantum computing power, which is the
(02:58):
next thing after AI that will happen in our lifetime.
Everything goes right up to space. And I'm not talking
about an eleven minute space trip that goes up and
down to space, but protecting the satellite infrastructure, protecting the
space domain is vital to preserving Americans' interests, not just
here in the United States for our way of life,
(03:19):
but also for the global order. You know I'm a millennial.
I'm the last generation that can remember life before the Internet.
Gen Z is the last generation that can remember life
before artificial intelligence. So as we continue to evolve with
this technology, protecting the infrastructure around it, which is underwater
in the oceans and an outer space is just vital.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
Kevin surreally is a futuristic journalists joining us. I'm looking
at my phone right now and I'm thinking, how would
I track my children if I didn't have three sixty
we'd get in the car if we didn't have GPS.
I mean that interaction is all around us. But when
we talk about artificial intelligence too. I notice now when
I put a question into Google, I get the AI
response first, So we're definitely in a new wave of AI.
(04:06):
In other words, I want to ask it to you
this week, Kevin, how different is our usage in interaction
with AI today than even a year ago.
Speaker 4 (04:15):
Oh that's a great question, and you're noticing it not
only just in how Google and Alphabet the parent company
and Google are leveraging it, but also even in everything
from going to the doctor's office, where how your how
you your doctor's team, and is looking at your doctor's
records and automating many of the processes and procedures. I
(04:39):
would put it this way, it's going to be even
more intertwined. And I write about this on Meetthefuture dot
substack dot com. It's going to be even more intertwined
in just five years. Over the weekend, the Beijing half
Marathon took place, and Chinese Communist Party ran twenty one
humanoid robots in the half marizon. Only six of them finished,
(05:02):
and they were very slow. The others just collapse. But
the way that you look and humanoid robots are coming,
and they're coming very quickly in our lifetime. The way
that we put apps on our iPhone or applications on
our smartphones, AI AI systems are going to program humanoid robots. Now,
(05:24):
they're not going to necessarily take your jobs, but they
are going to force the American economy to modernize to
create new jobs. And that's one of the things that
I think will be the most significant change over the
next couple of years.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
I suspect already, Kevin, everything they're reading online has been
rewritten by AI. I don't know that we've achieved it yet,
but it's going to grow more and more where your
newspeople and or your disc jockeys could be AI in
the future. We'll get to all that, but I want
to do something deeper that I don't know anybody else'll
(06:00):
do this with you today.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
So it's going to catch you off guard.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
But if you've ever seen y yeah, no, if you've
ever seen the documentary The Social Dilemma, you know the
mess we've made with technology and with the learning that
these computers do, and once they start, there's no stopping it.
And what it created was several things addiction and at
(06:23):
young ages, lack of sleep, a social disorder with a
perfection culture. I mean, there was a lot of negative
that came from it. Most of the people that created
these algorithms don't allow their kids to participate in them.
But isolation and loneliness was the real result of all
the technology we've experienced in twenty years through social media.
(06:45):
And AI is going to offer you the solution to
that loneliness with these AI bots and or robots that
are coming that people are going to have artificial relationships
to solve the artificial loneliness that was created. How can
the problem create the solution would be my question for you.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
But that's a I.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
Can already see that, and when you when we worried
about TikTok, imagine people having relationships with these AI bots,
both emotionally and unfortunately sexually to some degree, and what
they might tell them that is giving a lot of
in no other words, there's a lot of negativity. Just
like whenever there's a new invention, there's somebody good that
(07:24):
sits down to do good things with that, there's also
bad people to sit down to do bad things with it.
How do you process that as you look to the future.
Speaker 4 (07:32):
No, I think it's a great question, and it's one
of the defining cultural questions of our time. I think
it's a brilliant question, and I write about this on
meetafuture dot substat dot com. Because in Japan, for example,
there are robotic companions companies that are popping up, and
so people are are having friendships with robots, and that
there are companies that are leveraging that. But I would
(07:57):
argue that it's not really that different than a child
given a toy. Humans have always had uh relationships with
with non human objects a teddy bear, for example, So
obviously that's a.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
Very time and childhood not for your In otherwords, if
there is a creator, and we were creating his image,
and we were created that have interaction with each other.
You're trying to make a deposit that can't be made.
It can just be felt like it's made.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
I mean, I just see a lot of real chaos
coming in the future, and I don't I don't necessarily
expect you to make that go away. But boy, I
don't think it's not. I don't think anybody sees it
coming and it's here.
Speaker 4 (08:39):
Well, you know, but I do think. I think it's
to finish the point. I think the other the other
half of that is that there are a lot of
technology companies right now who are exploring, particularly in the
PTSD space, for how artificial intelligence can be used to
treat not just the patient, but also the patient's family
(09:00):
for the first warning signs of self harm or other
UH negative traits. In the addiction space as well. There
was actually one UH study that was greenlit in California
for criminals in jail who were in solitary confinement, and
they were given virtual reality headsets too to see how
(09:23):
that would impact their mental health, and they were able
to be taken out of solitary confinement still in prison,
but they were but the ruckus that they were causing
within the prison system, because they were treated with VR headsets,
they were able to change some of their behavior. And
so to your point, yes, is they're bad. Of course
there's bad. Of course there's that. But to your other point,
(09:47):
which is how technologists can be looking on the digital
frontier to solve problems, that's also happening as well. Sure,
you know we have to we have to look into
that and talk about that. I think more as well.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
Kevin.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
You're good, and I wish I could talk to you
almost monthly. I don't know if that's even possible, if
there's any way.
Speaker 4 (10:04):
To contact to be an honor, Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Oh it's just remember this when our hang on the line,
when we're done, and Jeffrey will give you our information
because I don't come across people that are really good
very often, and when I do, I don't let.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
Go of them.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
Final question for you, and just give us the big picture,
because I know I've already taken more time than I
was allowed. We had the industrial revenue, industrial revolution, rule
was unrecognizable after it, We've had the technology revolution. The
world is unrecognizable after it is AI a continuation of
that or something completely third in its element, And I
think it's the latter.
Speaker 4 (10:40):
I think it's I think it's I think it's part
of the same evolution. I really truly do. I think
the Gutenberg Bible is it created. You know, you go
all the way back in time with the printing press.
And I think that America has a lot to celebrate
with our innovation, and we just got it to your point,
just continue to look at the best practices around it
to make it better for life. I don't want to
(11:01):
live in a world without GPS, and America should celebrate that.
So I think that there's more that's coming that's good
if we can harness the power.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
So should it be feared or should it be anticipated excitedly?
Speaker 3 (11:13):
Both? Maybe?
Speaker 4 (11:14):
Right, depends what we do with exactly. That's right, that's
the ride, right, that's the boy.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
I love that line. On that line, we will lend.
That's the ride. Kevin Sirelli, nice Italian boy, I.
Speaker 4 (11:25):
Think, right, Yes, sir, yes, sir, all right.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
I'm del giorno. Don't lose touch. I really love this.
Speaker 4 (11:32):
I've got to stick together.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
Yeah, you're very You're.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
A very smart young man. I want to talk to
you again in the future. God bless you.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
Miss a little, miss a lot, miss a lot, and
we'll miss you. It's your Morning Show with Michael del Churno.
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