Did we have another Signal Chat leak or legacy media nonsense?? We asked Lieutenant Colonel James Carafano that, plus, ask how did Iran nuke talks went?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Previously on your Morning show with Michael dil Choano.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Did we have another signal chat leak? Or as we
were talking with our White House correspondent John Decker, does
this New York Times report from a disgruntled employee? Is
it another signal chat at the same time of the
first signal chat? In other words, is this strike one?
Or is this strike two? Or is this all legacy
(00:25):
media nonsense? And how did those nuke talks go? In Iran?
James Carafano, as our lieutenant colonel, joins us boringly from America.
I believe, good morning, Lieutenant Colonel.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
It's very sad.
Speaker 4 (00:37):
I'm actually here, but I did just finish a three
country run. I was in Greece, Armenia and Georgia, really
fascinating part of the world.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
So and drove to Georgia or drove from Georgia, was it?
Or to Georgia?
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (00:49):
So I no, no, I drove. We actually drove from
Georgia to Armenia, which is really interesting because really, up
until not very long ago, when you got to the
Georgia Armenia checkpoint, it was manned by Russian soldiers and
now the Armenians have kicked them out and they've taken
over the checkpoints. So we could talk for hours about
(01:13):
what's going on that part of the world, how fascinating
it is.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
But yeah, let's start with this signal leak.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Is this a second leak or second verse from the
same leak?
Speaker 3 (01:23):
And does it really matter?
Speaker 4 (01:25):
Yeah, well, I don't think it really matters.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
I think what we have here is a very predictable.
Speaker 4 (01:32):
Media narrative which we saw in the first administration, which
is if you ever watched if you watched America this
show with Tom Hanks, which is really amazing, but you know,
it's like the predators chasing the herd, and then they
peel off and they pick the weakest one and they
eat that and then they go after the next. And
(01:52):
that's the way this works.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
The media is.
Speaker 4 (01:57):
Trying to take down anybody and the Trump administration for
any reason, and then it's like blood in the water.
Once you've taken one down, then you move on to
the next. And so if you are an administration, you
you really have to defend against this and cut it off.
Otherwise you get kneecapped. Uh, and you've either you either
(02:21):
lose your senior officials and then you're dependent on career
people because you can't get people appointed or whatever. Other
people who become risk averse people don't want to go
into government. So this is more than about Pete Hegsad.
This is really about the administration defending its team. Otherwise
it's going to get kneecapped by the media.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
So you know this, This stunt stunk to high heaven
with the New York Times editor from the beginning. How
did he end up in this thread? Was he fat
thumbed in? Even and even if he got in, why
did he stay in? You and I wouldn't have but
I think for a lot of people that were just
shocked that such technology was being used. These are the
(03:04):
kind of things that we picture situation rooms and secured
lines for. But the bottom line is, whatever lesson it's
been learned, this is nothing really new. This is just
for some reason, the left thinks that the Pete Hegseth
is low hanging fruit or the weakest of the herd.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
Right.
Speaker 4 (03:24):
I think that's correct, And honestly, we don't actually know
what happened because all we really have on this is
a bunch of media reporting which we have no idea
how accurate it is, and We've seen this again and
again and again, where they get a source which is anonymous,
and if they're exceptionally good media, they get two anonymous
(03:45):
sources and then they report it right, and we have
no idea what actually happened. And remember to add some
context to this. This is after Hillary Clinton running a
server offline.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Bathroom in a condo in Colorado.
Speaker 4 (04:03):
We've had so many unbelievably mind boggling abuses of this
by the left which were suppressed and ignored by the media.
But yet the width of anything that they can use
to go after Pete Hexad is the next water Day.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
Right, But Katie Kirk Live on Facebook was talking to
Elizabeth Warren, and Elizabeth Warren's asking the compelling question, what
does this.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
Guy have to do to get fired? This is what
we've evolved to.
Speaker 4 (04:33):
The paragon of the paragon of trustworthy character, Right, Elizabeth Warren,
the person became a multi zillionaire in the service of
government and is one of the chief shows for the
left on the most ridiculous, wacky ideas. So, look, I
think Pete's fine. I think the President is pleased with
(04:54):
his actions so far, and look, I don't know what's
going on inside the Pentagon. But as an outward observer
of the things coming out of the Pentagon, what is
there not to be pleased with? Recruiting is going up? Well,
they're they're they're cutting out waste, fraud and abuse, they
(05:15):
are improving physical standards. Morale is up. They're they're running
a very aggressive and successful campaigning at the hooties in
in the Middle East. UH. And so what exactly are we.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
What's the problem here?
Speaker 2 (05:33):
I don't think this is where our eye would be
on the ball anyway, Let's put our eyes on the
right right places.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
Let's start with these talks with Iran.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Lieutenant Colonel James Carafanal from the Heritage Foundation joining us. Obviously,
the most predictable threat to the world is Iran, and
the notion of Iran having a nuclear UH enriched geranium
and a missile system to deliver it is unthinkable and
massively destabilizing.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
We didn't expect much to come from these talks, and
did they.
Speaker 4 (06:01):
Well, we don't know yet. I still have very low expectations,
and because I don't see a process in the end
where Iran willingly gives up a nuclear capability. And I
don't see the US administration making a deal that in
the end compromises on.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
US interests, chose not to have a run.
Speaker 4 (06:22):
Clear weapon, and the Ondien says, look, the United States
need deal with Iran. So you understand this is this
is all very TRUMPI and a very predictable. Trump always
off offers the other guy in off ramp. Right, you
want to sue Donald Trump, he says, look, I'll tell
you what. Don't sue me. You can do my taxes
(06:44):
for the next twenty years. How about that? And and
you know, and I'll pay you half of what I
owe you because that's.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
Not like a good deal.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
So this is this is so Trumpian.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
He always does it.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
Everybody except terrorist terrorists he just kills, but everybody else
he offers an off ramp too. He's off to the
Uranians before. So it's very predictable that he would do
this because he always wants the path of people not dying.
Having said that, the United States doesn't desperately need a
deal with a run Their surrogates have been decimated, their
(07:15):
economy is weak, they have a lot of internal opposition.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
The Iatola is going to die.
Speaker 4 (07:21):
Most countries in the region would would rather see them
weaken and put on their back foot. So good for
Donald Trump for offering this, but I have very low
expectations and I don't think it's something the United States
really needs. So I have very low expectations we're going
to get much of anything out of this.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
And one thing you did say but didn't quite go
all the way and saying is and Donald Trump never
makes dumb deals, so he's not going to make a
bad deal, and they're probably not going to budge, So
expectations are low. What about Russia and Ukraine? You know,
we've talked about this a lot, obviously the press, and
it is not a fan of Zelenski. It's not going
to stop him from pursuing this deal. He doesn't trust
(08:09):
Putin and quite frankly, by having a mineral deal with
Zelensky that would put American interests and American feet on
the ground to protect Ukraine. But there does seem to
be a general disgust that both sides aren't showing any
signs of wanting peace. And if you don't want peace,
then there's no reason for me to be a middleman.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
That is kind of brewing, isn't it.
Speaker 4 (08:30):
Well, I don't buy that that this is both sides.
I think the Ukrainians have been very clear that they're
willing to accept a strategic pause in place. I think
they've been super clear on them. The Russians have been
very clear in that they're Russian. And the Russians do
what they always do, which is they ask for the
moon and they hope that people stupidly give it to him,
(08:51):
and they continue to do that until they realize that
they're not going to get anything, and then if they
really want to do a deal, they cut a deal.
And I think that's.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
Where we are.
Speaker 4 (08:58):
I know I've said this before, I go I still,
you know, go back to my three scenarios. One is
Putin just wakes up one morning and goes, oh, okay,
they're not budgeting anymore.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
This is the best I can get out of everything.
Speaker 4 (09:08):
Fine, I think the deal that doesn't happen, Putin says,
you know, I think I'll fight for another year. One
is the United States just absolutely totally walks away from Ukraine.
I don't think that's going to happen, and because if
that becomes a disaster, then it becomes Trump's Afghanistan. And
(09:28):
the other hand is you don't have to walk away
from Ukraine because the Europeans are consistently standing up and
doing more for Ukraine. So the burden on the United States.
You know, people say it's like the United States is
doing less. Well, no not, We're not doing less. We
don't have to do more because the Europeans are actually
doing more, which, by the way, the Europeans should be
carrying the load on this, So that's already happening. So
(09:52):
I think the third is most likely if Putin doesn't
do a deal. I think I think we will kind
of motor along with the sterosis as quote. The United
States will not abandon Ukraine, the Europeans will carry most
of the burden, and the Russians will will bog down
an endless warfare.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
Who knows where that's going to leave them.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
Well, I think if Putin should choose to go one
more year, it's a tough year for him because, as
you mentioned, Europe is unified, there's more resources, the US
is unified with interest on the ground, It's only going
to get worse. So are the sanctions, and so are
the battle outcomes. So you know, I don't know, there
might be something in between where he plays the bloff
(10:31):
for a month or two. But I just don't see
how Putin I don't I don't even know how he
can even envision a victory, let alone a pleasant year
if he decides to go another year and oil.
Speaker 4 (10:41):
Is way down, Iran is marginalized, China's under a lot
of pressure. You know, he's got North Korea, I guess
you know, but you know that North Korea is not
a free lunch. You know, he has to pay the
North Koreans for all this stuff. Where's that like coming from?
Speaker 3 (11:01):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (11:01):
And I don't see do you even see the the
dangerous ramp towards an escalation or world war that seems
to have dampened. I mean, he's very isolated right now.
Speaker 4 (11:13):
I mean, to me, that's the most ludicrous of things is, oh,
you know, if we if we don't walk away from Europe,
we're going to escalate in World War three. I mean,
I think the opposite is much more likely, if you
if the United States completely and disengaged. You know, I
have started with somebody talking about this fix. We got
suckered into World War One, we got suckered into World
War two, and that's absolutely not true.
Speaker 5 (11:34):
We actually stayed out of World War one we stayed
out of the World War and were drawn. We went
because because then because then they were coming after us
in both cases, so.
Speaker 4 (11:45):
That that is not the lesson is walk away because
there you're be a sucker.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
The lesson is is.
Speaker 4 (11:50):
You want the Europeans to stop this crap, so then
you don't have to walk in. Well, it's good to
have you back in the good old US.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
S A.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Thank you so much. Other hed A Colonel James Carafano.
You can read his great work and his collies great
work at heritage dot org.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
Miss a little, miss a lot, miss a lot, and
we'll miss you. It's your morning show with Michael del Churno.
Previously on your Morning show with Michael dil Choano.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Did we have another signal chat leak? Or as we
were talking with our White House correspondent John Decker, does
this New York Times report from a disgruntled employee? Is
it another signal chat at the same time of the
first signal chat? In other words, is this strike one?
Or is this strike two? Or is this all legacy
(00:25):
media nonsense? And how did those nuke talks go? In Iran?
James Carafano, as our lieutenant colonel, joins us boringly from America.
I believe, good morning, Lieutenant Colonel.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
It's very sad.
Speaker 4 (00:37):
I'm actually here, but I did just finish a three
country run. I was in Greece, Armenia and Georgia, really
fascinating part of the world.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
So and drove to Georgia or drove from Georgia, was it?
Or to Georgia?
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (00:49):
So I no, no, I drove. We actually drove from
Georgia to Armenia, which is really interesting because really, up
until not very long ago, when you got to the
Georgia Armenia checkpoint, it was manned by Russian soldiers and
now the Armenians have kicked them out and they've taken
over the checkpoints. So we could talk for hours about
(01:13):
what's going on that part of the world, how fascinating
it is.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
But yeah, let's start with this signal leak.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Is this a second leak or second verse from the
same leak?
Speaker 3 (01:23):
And does it really matter?
Speaker 4 (01:25):
Yeah, well, I don't think it really matters.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
I think what we have here is a very predictable.
Speaker 4 (01:32):
Media narrative which we saw in the first administration, which
is if you ever watched if you watched America this
show with Tom Hanks, which is really amazing, but you know,
it's like the predators chasing the herd, and then they
peel off and they pick the weakest one and they
eat that and then they go after the next. And
(01:52):
that's the way this works.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
The media is.
Speaker 4 (01:57):
Trying to take down anybody and the Trump administration for
any reason, and then it's like blood in the water.
Once you've taken one down, then you move on to
the next. And so if you are an administration, you
you really have to defend against this and cut it off.
Otherwise you get kneecapped. Uh, and you've either you either
(02:21):
lose your senior officials and then you're dependent on career
people because you can't get people appointed or whatever. Other
people who become risk averse people don't want to go
into government. So this is more than about Pete Hegsad.
This is really about the administration defending its team. Otherwise
it's going to get kneecapped by the media.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
So you know this, This stunt stunk to high heaven
with the New York Times editor from the beginning. How
did he end up in this thread? Was he fat
thumbed in? Even and even if he got in, why
did he stay in? You and I wouldn't have but
I think for a lot of people that were just
shocked that such technology was being used. These are the
(03:04):
kind of things that we picture situation rooms and secured
lines for. But the bottom line is, whatever lesson it's
been learned, this is nothing really new. This is just
for some reason, the left thinks that the Pete Hegseth
is low hanging fruit or the weakest of the herd.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
Right.
Speaker 4 (03:24):
I think that's correct, And honestly, we don't actually know
what happened because all we really have on this is
a bunch of media reporting which we have no idea
how accurate it is, and We've seen this again and
again and again, where they get a source which is anonymous,
and if they're exceptionally good media, they get two anonymous
(03:45):
sources and then they report it right, and we have
no idea what actually happened. And remember to add some
context to this. This is after Hillary Clinton running a
server offline.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Bathroom in a condo in Colorado.
Speaker 4 (04:03):
We've had so many unbelievably mind boggling abuses of this
by the left which were suppressed and ignored by the media.
But yet the width of anything that they can use
to go after Pete Hexad is the next water Day.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
Right, But Katie Kirk Live on Facebook was talking to
Elizabeth Warren, and Elizabeth Warren's asking the compelling question, what
does this.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
Guy have to do to get fired? This is what
we've evolved to.
Speaker 4 (04:33):
The paragon of the paragon of trustworthy character, Right, Elizabeth Warren,
the person became a multi zillionaire in the service of
government and is one of the chief shows for the
left on the most ridiculous, wacky ideas. So, look, I
think Pete's fine. I think the President is pleased with
(04:54):
his actions so far, and look, I don't know what's
going on inside the Pentagon. But as an outward observer
of the things coming out of the Pentagon, what is
there not to be pleased with? Recruiting is going up? Well,
they're they're they're cutting out waste, fraud and abuse, they
(05:15):
are improving physical standards. Morale is up. They're they're running
a very aggressive and successful campaigning at the hooties in
in the Middle East. UH. And so what exactly are we.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
What's the problem here?
Speaker 2 (05:33):
I don't think this is where our eye would be
on the ball anyway, Let's put our eyes on the
right right places.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
Let's start with these talks with Iran.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Lieutenant Colonel James Carafanal from the Heritage Foundation joining us. Obviously,
the most predictable threat to the world is Iran, and
the notion of Iran having a nuclear UH enriched geranium
and a missile system to deliver it is unthinkable and
massively destabilizing.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
We didn't expect much to come from these talks, and
did they.
Speaker 4 (06:01):
Well, we don't know yet. I still have very low expectations,
and because I don't see a process in the end
where Iran willingly gives up a nuclear capability. And I
don't see the US administration making a deal that in
the end compromises on.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
US interests, chose not to have a run.
Speaker 4 (06:22):
Clear weapon, and the Ondien says, look, the United States
need deal with Iran. So you understand this is this
is all very TRUMPI and a very predictable. Trump always
off offers the other guy in off ramp. Right, you
want to sue Donald Trump, he says, look, I'll tell
you what. Don't sue me. You can do my taxes
(06:44):
for the next twenty years. How about that? And and
you know, and I'll pay you half of what I
owe you because that's.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
Not like a good deal.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
So this is this is so Trumpian.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
He always does it.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
Everybody except terrorist terrorists he just kills, but everybody else
he offers an off ramp too. He's off to the
Uranians before. So it's very predictable that he would do
this because he always wants the path of people not dying.
Having said that, the United States doesn't desperately need a
deal with a run Their surrogates have been decimated, their
(07:15):
economy is weak, they have a lot of internal opposition.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
The Iatola is going to die.
Speaker 4 (07:21):
Most countries in the region would would rather see them
weaken and put on their back foot. So good for
Donald Trump for offering this, but I have very low
expectations and I don't think it's something the United States
really needs. So I have very low expectations we're going
to get much of anything out of this.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
And one thing you did say but didn't quite go
all the way and saying is and Donald Trump never
makes dumb deals, so he's not going to make a
bad deal, and they're probably not going to budge, So
expectations are low. What about Russia and Ukraine? You know,
we've talked about this a lot, obviously the press, and
it is not a fan of Zelenski. It's not going
to stop him from pursuing this deal. He doesn't trust
(08:09):
Putin and quite frankly, by having a mineral deal with
Zelensky that would put American interests and American feet on
the ground to protect Ukraine. But there does seem to
be a general disgust that both sides aren't showing any
signs of wanting peace. And if you don't want peace,
then there's no reason for me to be a middleman.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
That is kind of brewing, isn't it.
Speaker 4 (08:30):
Well, I don't buy that that this is both sides.
I think the Ukrainians have been very clear that they're
willing to accept a strategic pause in place. I think
they've been super clear on them. The Russians have been
very clear in that they're Russian. And the Russians do
what they always do, which is they ask for the
moon and they hope that people stupidly give it to him,
(08:51):
and they continue to do that until they realize that
they're not going to get anything, and then if they
really want to do a deal, they cut a deal.
And I think that's.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
Where we are.
Speaker 4 (08:58):
I know I've said this before, I go I still,
you know, go back to my three scenarios. One is
Putin just wakes up one morning and goes, oh, okay,
they're not budgeting anymore.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
This is the best I can get out of everything.
Speaker 4 (09:08):
Fine, I think the deal that doesn't happen, Putin says,
you know, I think I'll fight for another year. One
is the United States just absolutely totally walks away from Ukraine.
I don't think that's going to happen, and because if
that becomes a disaster, then it becomes Trump's Afghanistan. And
(09:28):
the other hand is you don't have to walk away
from Ukraine because the Europeans are consistently standing up and
doing more for Ukraine. So the burden on the United States.
You know, people say it's like the United States is
doing less. Well, no not, We're not doing less. We
don't have to do more because the Europeans are actually
doing more, which, by the way, the Europeans should be
carrying the load on this, So that's already happening. So
(09:52):
I think the third is most likely if Putin doesn't
do a deal. I think I think we will kind
of motor along with the sterosis as quote. The United
States will not abandon Ukraine, the Europeans will carry most
of the burden, and the Russians will will bog down
an endless warfare.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
Who knows where that's going to leave them.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
Well, I think if Putin should choose to go one
more year, it's a tough year for him because, as
you mentioned, Europe is unified, there's more resources, the US
is unified with interest on the ground, It's only going
to get worse. So are the sanctions, and so are
the battle outcomes. So you know, I don't know, there
might be something in between where he plays the bloff
(10:31):
for a month or two. But I just don't see
how Putin I don't I don't even know how he
can even envision a victory, let alone a pleasant year
if he decides to go another year and oil.
Speaker 4 (10:41):
Is way down, Iran is marginalized, China's under a lot
of pressure. You know, he's got North Korea, I guess
you know, but you know that North Korea is not
a free lunch. You know, he has to pay the
North Koreans for all this stuff. Where's that like coming from?
Speaker 3 (11:01):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (11:01):
And I don't see do you even see the the
dangerous ramp towards an escalation or world war that seems
to have dampened. I mean, he's very isolated right now.
Speaker 4 (11:13):
I mean, to me, that's the most ludicrous of things is, oh,
you know, if we if we don't walk away from Europe,
we're going to escalate in World War three. I mean,
I think the opposite is much more likely, if you
if the United States completely and disengaged. You know, I
have started with somebody talking about this fix. We got
suckered into World War One, we got suckered into World
War two, and that's absolutely not true.
Speaker 5 (11:34):
We actually stayed out of World War one we stayed
out of the World War and were drawn. We went
because because then because then they were coming after us
in both cases, so.
Speaker 4 (11:45):
That that is not the lesson is walk away because
there you're be a sucker.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
The lesson is is.
Speaker 4 (11:50):
You want the Europeans to stop this crap, so then
you don't have to walk in. Well, it's good to
have you back in the good old US.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
S A.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Thank you so much. Other hed A Colonel James Carafano.
You can read his great work and his collies great
work at heritage dot org.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
Miss a little, miss a lot, miss a lot, and
we'll miss you. It's your morning show with Michael del Churno.
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