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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, here we go. It's the Tangent Our offare
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the way, along with the Fred Show on demand and
wherever you listen to us. We'd love that. And yes,
we're going to be pandering for the preset thing for
the rest of our lives. It's true. I hit the intro.
It's the Tangent giving you all this shit we couldn't
talk about on the air. So, Caitlin, you were asking
the question this morning, how you, as a woman let
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a man know that you want to get it in. Yeah,
and I think it's pretty simple. This could be the
shortest tangent ever you say, I would like to get
it in, done, done done. Thank you for listening to
the Tangent. I'm glad I was able to be an
assistance today. And how an I stay? No, I mean,
is it that challenging.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
No, I'm not coming from a place that it's challenging.
I think women like to be a little more discreet
than that. And I know just having a lot of
female friends and having open communication, which I love that
every female every woman has like a different sign and
they're not always so obvious and I don't know why
we're like this, right, but we kind of are. You know,
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like a lot of girls will do like the butt wiggle,
whereas like if you're cuddling, you push your butt like
a little bit harder backwards.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
My friend who shall not be named, they use a
coconut oil as lube. I don't know why I know that,
but she'll leave it out to signify and.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
It's a coconut oil. Kind of nice.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
Yes, So I just.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Think it's very funny that women can't just be like
Yola's let's fuck you know, Kiki?
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Is that one is coconut oil out of.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
A coconut oil. I got cocoa butter, I got vegetables.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
I thought you were trying to tell me that I
had stretch marks. That was like, I mean, I do,
but my little my little butt has stretch marks from
growing so fast. I got a little stretch marks on
my little butte. I have one, and I tried to
get rid of them, but they're not going anywhere. I've
just accepted I have little stretch marks on my butt
because I don't know. Someone said it was because I
grew so fast.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
But when I think about that.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
I don't know. Yeah, well little, but I don't have
much of a butt, so I wish I wish I did.
I wish I could move some of the front section
of the back section, and I think you can, but
I just don't. I don't think I want to go
through all them. No, I mean, I just think the
way that the sex game works is it's for whatever reason.
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Tell me about the sex game, Well, I'm sure people
there are people who would disagree, but like it's men
chasing women. I feel like we're always the ones pursuing
the sex. It's very I wouldn't say it's it's it's uncommon,
but it is less common. And I don't know if
this is because you guys have been improperly trained or
conditioned to believe that you're not allowed to be liberated
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about sex. And I say improperly meaning it's not fair.
I don't know if if you guys are typically as
as a gender, more shy about it. But I mean,
in my experience, even in relationships, I got to be
the one to initiate it, and I like that that's
the chase.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Yeah, Like I don't want to be the one to
initiate it. Ate it.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
But there are times.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
When I want it and I want you to initiate it,
you know what I mean. But I don't want to
be the one, Like for some reason, I want you
to be the one always and I don't know why
where that comes from. But my boyfriend can't take take
a hint at all, so I literally have to be
that clear and I hate doing that. Like I'll literally
be in like a robe and it'll be open and
he'll be like, hey, how are.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
You And I'm like, oh, don't make me say it, Like,
don't make me say it.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
No. I mean in the occasions where people have wanted
it and they've said they want it, that was hot
because it doesn't happen that often. Yeah, And now I'm
starting to feel self conscious because it's like, well, do
people just not want to have sex with me? But
they No one ever really says no, So I guess
that's It's a good It's not like when I'm like
what's going on and then the person's like no. But
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I guess I haven't been with a lot of people
who are super proactive in that way. So I've dated
some who are, but I haven't dated people who are
and I think it's kind of I don't know why
that is. I feel like you guys as a whole,
are conditioned that maybe we're supposed to be the ones
doing all that, And that's fine. Occasionally it's nice if
you just tell me what you want.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
But then I'm like, did you even really want it?
Because I initiated, Like, how do I know you really
even wanted it?
Speaker 1 (04:08):
Probably the hard penis inside of you that that may
have been the way that you knew. Yeah, I mean,
I would say great indication would be the erect pallice,
Like I always say, that's that's one good way to
know for sure. I feel like guys are so easy
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because like when we're horny, you can see it, like right,
dicks get hard. You love. Oh.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
My boyfriend hates when I said, I'm like, you're little dick,
and I'm like, I'm not saying it's little.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
I just say everything's little, like your little butt, you
know what I mean. I'm not saying your butt's little.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
It's okay if you say that little is as long
as I'll.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
I just think little is, Like I know, I would
never say like, no, I would never say that, but
I think everything's like oh, you look at your little nose, Jason, Like,
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
I just think everything's little.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
But no, I mean I know some women will like
wear a certain thing around the house, like why are
we doing so much? Instead of just saying that, I
don't know, do you have a sign Kiki that you
are you say it? Oh?
Speaker 3 (05:06):
No, no, no, I don't say it.
Speaker 4 (05:08):
But I will go to bass smelling like every math
and body works sent in the store. So like if
I go to Bess smelling like Japanese cherry blossom, that
means everything is wax and ready.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Like oh, I see, yeah, the everything shower it's taking place.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
Okay, Jason, how is it for you who initiates? Is it?
Is it like the mechanic or is it you?
Speaker 5 (05:28):
Or it's different every time? But we just take our
pants off like it then we know it's time.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
I'll just take off like.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
So I suppose that would be one way to know.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
Robin Pisa what you just like take your pants off
and walk up to him and say that my pants
already and then you just like literally, yeah, wait y'all.
Speaker 5 (05:51):
Like I'm saying pants, but I mean whatever you sleep in,
underwear or shorts, whatever.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
I have on yeah, and you're like, what do you
have to do with this?
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Okay? I think guys are just so easy, like the
whole rollover.
Speaker 5 (06:04):
I always want it, so it's.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
In the middle of the night, and like I've never
rejected him.
Speaker 5 (06:08):
He's never rejected. That is like, yeah, always it's time,
It's always it stays on ready, Like it's not like.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
Yeah, it's like I don't know, like, don't worry about it.
Wake up next to a woman and I'm like, and
I'm in the mood, and then I do the whole
back poke thing. It's like, okay, well guess what I
would like to have it now?
Speaker 3 (06:25):
You know, you guys are obvious.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
It's you guys are you. Guys are a little bit
more difficult to decipher in that regard.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
And I feel like my boyfriend wants it more if
I like can't have sex, and that's very frustrating. It
is like when I'm sick, you know, if it's that
time of the month, then he wants it so much
and I'm like, screw you, you know what I mean,
Like you're just doing this on purpose.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
Yeah, it's a whole thing.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
But I thought women's signs were funny.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
Yeah, I think I think you probably should just when
you'd like it, you just say you want it. I'm
a lady, I can but if you have I have
to do that all the time, I can see it.
But occasionally I think it's okay if every time you
have sex. I don't care if you're a guy or
a girl. If every time you have sex you have
to be the one to initiate it, that begins to
be a little demoralizing because it's like, why are you
never asking me for this? Like you don't like it?
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I guess so I don't think it's fair to expect
that every single time that he's going to do it.
I think sometimes it's okay if you want it and
you say I want it, because that makes him feel
wanted too.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
Yeah, you know you guys would do it the whole time.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
No, right, how about this quickly before we end this
very efficient tangent because it was like, well.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
We don't have any other women in me and marks
on your booty, Well I learned a lot.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
I mean, I got stretch marks on the booty. I do.
One in four gen zers would because this is a
real headline, would be comfortable with their partner being intimate
with a sex robot if if it's modeled after them,
And apparently seventy percent of men are more at ease
with this concept than women. I don't like this either,
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because I mean, I feel like, even if the sex
doll looks like me, but you'd rather fuck the sex doll,
Like what are you saying about me? Then? Like you
think I'm good looking, but you don't like the way
I put it down is what you're saying. So No,
I don't think we should be introducing AI. I don't
think we should be introducing sex dolls that look like
me or the other way around. I feel like, if
you're not connecting with your partner and you're finding other
ways to connect, there's a problem. And I don't mean
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all the time, like you know, if I'm at home
and you're not and I look at like a move
like a you know, a porn or something, and I
get off, like, I don't think that's cheating. I don't
think that's bad. I don't. I don't. I think that's natural.
You disagree with that, well.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
No, I this is one see gen z. I'm very
fifty to fifty with them, like something they get on
my nerves, but they are the generation that works smarter,
not harder.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
They are the captains of that.
Speaker 4 (08:50):
And this I think is a thing like, you know,
if he had a robot that looked like me, he
could get that when I don't, when I'm not in
the mood or I guess stuff going on and don't
feel like it.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
We're both happy, but it's just slippery slope Kiky, because
I believe, like if you came home and you found
him getting with Ai Kiki, you know, the Kiki robot. Yes, girl,
I don't know, though, I feel like maybe a time
or two you'd be like cool, but then I think
other times you'd why are you? I'm right here?
Speaker 4 (09:16):
Well, but I'm saying in times where I'm not available,
I would prefer that you go fuck a robot then
the lady next door.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
This is just such a crazy conversation, but it's a
real thing because they like didn't tell lamar odom by
one of.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
These a real doll, not a robot, but a sex.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
Doll to look like it was like ultra realistic. Though, yes,
I think anytime you're relying on something other than your
partner relying on I think that that probably indicates a disconnect,
like if you're masturbating a ton instead of but your
partner's like lives with you and it is round or
in the house. I mean, I get it, like if
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your drive is higher or what, don't you just have
really high drive? But like if you're doing that and
then not getting with your partner, then I think that
that probably says something.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
Man.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
Or if you're banging an ai doll and not your
partner can take you, know, regularly, I think there's a problem.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
Well yeah, regular yeah, but this can save marriages.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
But I can also see you coming in here and
being like, this is the third time this week that
Big Tim has been banging Ai Kiki and like real
Kiki'd like some love to I can see this becoming
a problem. I can see people getting jealous of this
inanimate object because it's not them in time. I think
it's all dangerous.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
It's dangerous. But here we are, like we're here. You
want him?
Speaker 4 (10:38):
You want do I want him to fuck Aiki Ki
or uh Tanya next door?
Speaker 3 (10:43):
I gotta you know, like fuck Kiki because.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
I'll tell you the truth. And we talked about this before,
maybe on the Tangent or maybe on the air. I
don't know, but and I think, Jason, you're not old
enough to I don't think you probably experienced this yet.
But like my and I still have good sex drive.
But I'm forty four. My sex drive when I was
twenty four and my sex drive when I'm forty four
is very, very different. It's not that I don't want it.
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It's not that I can't perform. I just don't want
it as much. And I'll be really honest when I
say that, when I feel like it, I get myself off,
and then that's sort of I'm good, like I don't
necessarily need the other person, and I honestly believe it.
It's one of the reasons why I'm single, because I
don't need to be fulfilled by another person. I would
like to be, but it's just so much easier and
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more efficient when I'm horny to get myself off, and
it's almost a crutch. And so what I worry about
with this kind of thing is, well, if there's just
another if there's a substitution that's close, I don't need
you for that anymore. And then I think, you know,
eventually the connection e roads and you're not connecting with
someone in that way. Cause again, like I've learned to live,
whether it's sexually otherwise, I've learned to live completely on
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my own and be pretty satisfied with that. In fact,
sometimes I even find other people's needs kind of burden someo.
So it's like, I don't know it, but again you can.
I believe that you can condition yourself, whether it's sexually
or otherwise, to just take care of yourself and not
have to worry about anybody else. And I think that's
a that's it could ultimately be a problem.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
Yeah, it is, especially in relationships. You're right about that.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
So if you're just finding other ways, and I'm not
saying you should force yourself to like bang, but I
think you know, probably there are people listening who are married,
who they love each other and they like having sex
with each other. But you know, ten years, twenty years later,
it's not what it used to be, and not because
it couldn't be, but because you got other shit. You know,
it's the drives not what it used to be. You
got kids, you got a job, you know, you got
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all these other things going on. And then so if
you found if I found out that my girlfriend or
wife was you know, using the shower head every morning
and then and then wasn't interested in doing it with me,
Then I would that's a problem, right, And not that
she's doing anything wrong. She's fulfilling her needs at the
time she wants them fulfilled. Maybe I wasn't there, But like,
if that prevents you from then wanting other stuff with
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the actual person you're with, then whether you mean it
or not, I think you're sending the message that that
person isn't want it anymore.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
Yeah, and men and women sex drives like hit at
different times, like their peak, which is so.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
Very us men and women.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
But what if you tried celibacy and so I've tried
that before.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
Really I have tried that before.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
And like not doing you know, molesting yourself.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
You know, I've tried that before. I tried that before
more in my like twenties, when I think I was
a little out of control with it. Yeah, Like I
wasn't diagnosed as sex addict, but I was. I was
encouraged by my therapist at the time to do just that.
Oh wow, how about just stop for a while and
see what that's like. And because in my twenties I
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was a little bit out here. Yeah, I really enjoyed
in my early thirties and my mid thirties and my
late thirties, I've enjoyed a lot of things. Yeah, And
I don't know. I think it's just it could become
really you can become very detached from the intimacy of it.
Or if you've never really experienced true intimacy, and I'm
not sure that I really have, honestly in romantic intimacy,
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then I don't know. It's hard to not it's hard
to feel like you don't need something you don't know, right,
you know what I mean, Like, I don't really know.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
So, so how long did you go did you find
yourself more interested in dating like when you weren't doing.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
All that or.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
I guess maybe I'm trying to remember. I think more
than anything, it was just to like reclaim, not control,
but it's just to feel like to feel like I
wasn't in fact addicted like that, I that I wasn't
you know that I could say, like, I know this
sounds dumb, but I think it was more like just
to sort of reclaim like, okay, right, I do have
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control over this. I am making conscious decisions. I'm not
compensating for something else, you know, whatever, But I just
I don't know. I guess I wasn't interested in too
much of a connection.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
Yeah, and it can be more transactional for you guys,
and that's just science, and I think that that's probably
easier than You're like very self sufficient, so it's like,
why would I.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
But then you get to a certain point in life
where it's honestly like, I do have a difficult time
imagining how someone else incorporates into this life because and
people can say that's selfish, I almost think it would
be selfish to have somebody around knowing what I know
and knowing how I feel like I'm working on trying
to like that's why I go to one of the
reasons that I talked to folks, because it's like I'm
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trying to figure out how that would work, as opposed
to just convincing myself that I don't need anybody else
because I've lived this life this long and I've managed
to make it all work. But again, I do have
a number of experiences where I've tried to force relationships
to work because well, this maybe this is how it's
supposed to be or how it's supposed to feel, or
the other person's expectations that seem super overbearing to me. Well,
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maybe this is just what being in a relationship is,
and later I come to find out it's not. It
doesn't have to be that way. I just maybe haven't
picked my spots very well. But as it pertains to
the robot thing, if you gave me a robot that
was as realistic as a human being and no one
ever knew I had a robot, I fucked the shit
out of it.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
Yeah, I mean I'm not against.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
It, honestly, robot. I hear the judgment.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
I don't. I mean it's the same thing like looks.
Speaker 5 (16:09):
Like I think it's just about like making it spicier
like at times, like I don't know if it's got
to be like a black or white, like you only
fuck the robot or you fuck a human Like I
think it's like watch as long as there's like a balance,
like you work the robot in every once in a
while just to like spice things up. And I think
that's different. It doesn't have to be like I'm giving
up humans to only fuck this robot.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
I just think it's a slippery slope. I really do
imagine if this robot could be programmed, and I'm sure
it could be to do exactly the thing, exactly the
way you want it every time. I think it's worse
if it looks.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
Like money, right time money.
Speaker 5 (16:44):
And I think it's worse if it looks like you,
like you know, if it looked like me like that
almost makes it worse versus just like.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
A no, I want a Ke Ranger.
Speaker 5 (16:53):
I mean I would take a Kiky robot, but I
wouldn't like give Mike a Jason looking robot.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
Okay, what if the robot look like somebody else? Now
are we cheating? But still I don't think it's cheating.
So if I went out and bought a robot that
looked nothing like the person I'm with, it looked like Drake,
what why don't have to be oh for you?
Speaker 2 (17:11):
Like?
Speaker 1 (17:13):
No, No, I was gonna say, I think we have
bigger issues that now if I were fucking a Drake doll. Yeah.
So Mianna Kendrick fucked all Yeah, as long as she
had to do that Cups thing, that the Cups thing
to fuck you for that. I think even she knows
that she fucked up on that one. I mean she
made a lot of money, I'm sure, but like.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
Come on's favorite movie.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
And honestly, if my dick goes in my body, if
I see the Cups thing, I'll never up.
Speaker 5 (17:40):
I'm so for when I see Kendrick playing with cups.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
It's like I'm swimming in like an ice cold pool.
When I see the cups thing, It's like, where's your dick?
It's gone? I'll you know, I wonder I do wonder
that when I see the Cups thing, I'm like, will
I ever get an erection ever again in my life?
And where is the robot? And how do we where's
Elon Musk to deprogrammed this thing? Because it is fucked up? Man?
Yeah no, I so a doll that doesn't look like you?
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That would be a problem.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
Who is this bitch? Big So you? Okay, So your
boyfriend is obviously very attracted to you. You're attracted to him,
but you dated men who don't look exactly like him, right,
and you were attracted to them too. So let's say
that you're still You're not discounting the attraction that you
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have to Big Tim, but this would be an outlet
for you to experience something else. You're attracted to without
actually involving another human.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
Now we're getting to now you getting more.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
So that's a problem, yes.
Speaker 4 (18:40):
Because if they look like something else, then that opens
up the door for him to really want that something else.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
If you just getting me a.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
Different or is it fulfilling that need without actually cheating?
Like porn, I think that people look at porn that
caters to you know, like look if if if you
find out Big Tim was looking at Asian porn and
you're I mean you're obviously not Asian. Thank you? Right
there you go. You know, I don't think that that
makes it. I don't think that means he's cheating. I
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don't think that means he's not attracted to you. I
don't think that means that he don't think you're the ship.
I think it's just a way of another outlet to
him to fulfill something that he likes. It's not you.
Speaker 4 (19:18):
Well, in my house, I got enough weeks to be
whatever bit you want me to be, and I am
not about to have him fucking a doll that looks
totally different because now watching it, as long as I
don't know, Hey, that's between you and a little Asian lady.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
You watch it you out here what it looks totally different?
Speaker 2 (19:37):
That's crazy, okay, all right, I wouldn't love it, no, no,
fair enough.
Speaker 5 (19:42):
It tres me out that it looks like me.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (19:45):
I feel like it's easier to switch.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
It looks like to me.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
I want all of it to look like me, yes, forever.
Speaker 5 (19:54):
That's why I don't funk with y'all.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
Okay, but you don't. You don't watch porn that looks
like Shane all the time.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
Mmmmm yes I do.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
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we're going to be pandering for the preset thing for
the rest of our lives. It's true. I hit the intro.
It's the Tangent giving you all this shit we couldn't
talk about on the air. So, Caitlin, you were asking
the question this morning, how you, as a woman let
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a man know that you want to get it in. Yeah,
and I think it's pretty simple. This could be the
shortest tangent ever you say, I would like to get
it in, done, done done. Thank you for listening to
the Tangent. I'm glad I was able to be an
assistance today. And how an I stay? No, I mean,
is it that challenging.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
No, I'm not coming from a place that it's challenging.
I think women like to be a little more discreet
than that. And I know just having a lot of
female friends and having open communication, which I love that
every female every woman has like a different sign and
they're not always so obvious and I don't know why
we're like this, right, but we kind of are. You know,
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like a lot of girls will do like the butt wiggle,
whereas like if you're cuddling, you push your butt like
a little bit harder backwards.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
My friend who shall not be named, they use a
coconut oil as lube. I don't know why I know that,
but she'll leave it out to signify and.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
It's a coconut oil. Kind of nice.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
Yes, So I just.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Think it's very funny that women can't just be like
Yola's let's fuck you know, Kiki?
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Is that one is coconut oil out of.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
A coconut oil. I got cocoa butter, I got vegetables.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
I thought you were trying to tell me that I
had stretch marks. That was like, I mean, I do,
but my little my little butt has stretch marks from
growing so fast. I got a little stretch marks on
my little butte. I have one, and I tried to
get rid of them, but they're not going anywhere. I've
just accepted I have little stretch marks on my butt
because I don't know. Someone said it was because I
grew so fast.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
But when I think about that.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
I don't know. Yeah, well little, but I don't have
much of a butt, so I wish I wish I did.
I wish I could move some of the front section
of the back section, and I think you can, but
I just don't. I don't think I want to go
through all them. No, I mean, I just think the
way that the sex game works is it's for whatever reason.
(02:18):
Tell me about the sex game, Well, I'm sure people
there are people who would disagree, but like it's men
chasing women. I feel like we're always the ones pursuing
the sex. It's very I wouldn't say it's it's it's uncommon,
but it is less common. And I don't know if
this is because you guys have been improperly trained or
conditioned to believe that you're not allowed to be liberated
(02:40):
about sex. And I say improperly meaning it's not fair.
I don't know if if you guys are typically as
as a gender, more shy about it. But I mean,
in my experience, even in relationships, I got to be
the one to initiate it, and I like that that's
the chase.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Yeah, Like I don't want to be the one to
initiate it. Ate it.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
But there are times.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
When I want it and I want you to initiate it,
you know what I mean. But I don't want to
be the one, Like for some reason, I want you
to be the one always and I don't know why
where that comes from. But my boyfriend can't take take
a hint at all, so I literally have to be
that clear and I hate doing that. Like I'll literally
be in like a robe and it'll be open and
he'll be like, hey, how are.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
You And I'm like, oh, don't make me say it, Like,
don't make me say it.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
No. I mean in the occasions where people have wanted
it and they've said they want it, that was hot
because it doesn't happen that often. Yeah, And now I'm
starting to feel self conscious because it's like, well, do
people just not want to have sex with me? But
they No one ever really says no, So I guess
that's It's a good It's not like when I'm like
what's going on and then the person's like no. But
(03:45):
I guess I haven't been with a lot of people
who are super proactive in that way. So I've dated
some who are, but I haven't dated people who are
and I think it's kind of I don't know why
that is. I feel like you guys as a whole,
are conditioned that maybe we're supposed to be the ones
doing all that, And that's fine. Occasionally it's nice if
you just tell me what you want.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
But then I'm like, did you even really want it?
Because I initiated, Like, how do I know you really
even wanted it?
Speaker 1 (04:08):
Probably the hard penis inside of you that that may
have been the way that you knew. Yeah, I mean,
I would say great indication would be the erect pallice,
Like I always say, that's that's one good way to
know for sure. I feel like guys are so easy
(04:31):
because like when we're horny, you can see it, like right,
dicks get hard. You love. Oh.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
My boyfriend hates when I said, I'm like, you're little dick,
and I'm like, I'm not saying it's little.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
I just say everything's little, like your little butt, you
know what I mean. I'm not saying your butt's little.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
It's okay if you say that little is as long
as I'll.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
I just think little is, Like I know, I would
never say like, no, I would never say that, but
I think everything's like oh, you look at your little nose, Jason, Like,
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
I just think everything's little.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
But no, I mean I know some women will like
wear a certain thing around the house, like why are
we doing so much? Instead of just saying that, I
don't know, do you have a sign Kiki that you
are you say it? Oh?
Speaker 3 (05:06):
No, no, no, I don't say it.
Speaker 4 (05:08):
But I will go to bass smelling like every math
and body works sent in the store. So like if
I go to Bess smelling like Japanese cherry blossom, that
means everything is wax and ready.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Like oh, I see, yeah, the everything shower it's taking place.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
Okay, Jason, how is it for you who initiates? Is it?
Is it like the mechanic or is it you?
Speaker 5 (05:28):
Or it's different every time? But we just take our
pants off like it then we know it's time.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
I'll just take off like.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
So I suppose that would be one way to know.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
Robin Pisa what you just like take your pants off
and walk up to him and say that my pants
already and then you just like literally, yeah, wait y'all.
Speaker 5 (05:51):
Like I'm saying pants, but I mean whatever you sleep in,
underwear or shorts, whatever.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
I have on yeah, and you're like, what do you
have to do with this?
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Okay? I think guys are just so easy, like the
whole rollover.
Speaker 5 (06:04):
I always want it, so it's.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
In the middle of the night, and like I've never
rejected him.
Speaker 5 (06:08):
He's never rejected. That is like, yeah, always it's time,
It's always it stays on ready, Like it's not like.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
Yeah, it's like I don't know, like, don't worry about it.
Wake up next to a woman and I'm like, and
I'm in the mood, and then I do the whole
back poke thing. It's like, okay, well guess what I
would like to have it now?
Speaker 3 (06:25):
You know, you guys are obvious.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
It's you guys are you. Guys are a little bit
more difficult to decipher in that regard.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
And I feel like my boyfriend wants it more if
I like can't have sex, and that's very frustrating. It
is like when I'm sick, you know, if it's that
time of the month, then he wants it so much
and I'm like, screw you, you know what I mean,
Like you're just doing this on purpose.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
Yeah, it's a whole thing.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
But I thought women's signs were funny.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
Yeah, I think I think you probably should just when
you'd like it, you just say you want it. I'm
a lady, I can but if you have I have
to do that all the time, I can see it.
But occasionally I think it's okay if every time you
have sex. I don't care if you're a guy or
a girl. If every time you have sex you have
to be the one to initiate it, that begins to
be a little demoralizing because it's like, why are you
never asking me for this? Like you don't like it?
(07:15):
I guess so I don't think it's fair to expect
that every single time that he's going to do it.
I think sometimes it's okay if you want it and
you say I want it, because that makes him feel
wanted too.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
Yeah, you know you guys would do it the whole time.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
No, right, how about this quickly before we end this
very efficient tangent because it was like, well.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
We don't have any other women in me and marks
on your booty, Well I learned a lot.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
I mean, I got stretch marks on the booty. I do.
One in four gen zers would because this is a
real headline, would be comfortable with their partner being intimate
with a sex robot if if it's modeled after them,
And apparently seventy percent of men are more at ease
with this concept than women. I don't like this either,
(08:05):
because I mean, I feel like, even if the sex
doll looks like me, but you'd rather fuck the sex doll,
Like what are you saying about me? Then? Like you
think I'm good looking, but you don't like the way
I put it down is what you're saying. So No,
I don't think we should be introducing AI. I don't
think we should be introducing sex dolls that look like
me or the other way around. I feel like, if
you're not connecting with your partner and you're finding other
ways to connect, there's a problem. And I don't mean
(08:28):
all the time, like you know, if I'm at home
and you're not and I look at like a move
like a you know, a porn or something, and I
get off, like, I don't think that's cheating. I don't
think that's bad. I don't. I don't. I think that's natural.
You disagree with that, well.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
No, I this is one see gen z. I'm very
fifty to fifty with them, like something they get on
my nerves, but they are the generation that works smarter,
not harder.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
They are the captains of that.
Speaker 4 (08:50):
And this I think is a thing like, you know,
if he had a robot that looked like me, he
could get that when I don't, when I'm not in
the mood or I guess stuff going on and don't
feel like it.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
We're both happy, but it's just slippery slope Kiky, because
I believe, like if you came home and you found
him getting with Ai Kiki, you know, the Kiki robot. Yes, girl,
I don't know, though, I feel like maybe a time
or two you'd be like cool, but then I think
other times you'd why are you? I'm right here?
Speaker 4 (09:16):
Well, but I'm saying in times where I'm not available,
I would prefer that you go fuck a robot then
the lady next door.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
This is just such a crazy conversation, but it's a
real thing because they like didn't tell lamar odom by
one of.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
These a real doll, not a robot, but a sex.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
Doll to look like it was like ultra realistic. Though, yes,
I think anytime you're relying on something other than your
partner relying on I think that that probably indicates a disconnect,
like if you're masturbating a ton instead of but your
partner's like lives with you and it is round or
in the house. I mean, I get it, like if
(09:53):
your drive is higher or what, don't you just have
really high drive? But like if you're doing that and
then not getting with your partner, then I think that
that probably says something.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
Man.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
Or if you're banging an ai doll and not your
partner can take you, know, regularly, I think there's a problem.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
Well yeah, regular yeah, but this can save marriages.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
But I can also see you coming in here and
being like, this is the third time this week that
Big Tim has been banging Ai Kiki and like real
Kiki'd like some love to I can see this becoming
a problem. I can see people getting jealous of this
inanimate object because it's not them in time. I think
it's all dangerous.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
It's dangerous. But here we are, like we're here. You
want him?
Speaker 4 (10:38):
You want do I want him to fuck Aiki Ki
or uh Tanya next door?
Speaker 3 (10:43):
I gotta you know, like fuck Kiki because.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
I'll tell you the truth. And we talked about this before,
maybe on the Tangent or maybe on the air. I
don't know, but and I think, Jason, you're not old
enough to I don't think you probably experienced this yet.
But like my and I still have good sex drive.
But I'm forty four. My sex drive when I was
twenty four and my sex drive when I'm forty four
is very, very different. It's not that I don't want it.
(11:07):
It's not that I can't perform. I just don't want
it as much. And I'll be really honest when I
say that, when I feel like it, I get myself off,
and then that's sort of I'm good, like I don't
necessarily need the other person, and I honestly believe it.
It's one of the reasons why I'm single, because I
don't need to be fulfilled by another person. I would
like to be, but it's just so much easier and
(11:29):
more efficient when I'm horny to get myself off, and
it's almost a crutch. And so what I worry about
with this kind of thing is, well, if there's just
another if there's a substitution that's close, I don't need
you for that anymore. And then I think, you know,
eventually the connection e roads and you're not connecting with
someone in that way. Cause again, like I've learned to live,
whether it's sexually otherwise, I've learned to live completely on
(11:51):
my own and be pretty satisfied with that. In fact,
sometimes I even find other people's needs kind of burden someo.
So it's like, I don't know it, but again you can.
I believe that you can condition yourself, whether it's sexually
or otherwise, to just take care of yourself and not
have to worry about anybody else. And I think that's
a that's it could ultimately be a problem.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
Yeah, it is, especially in relationships. You're right about that.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
So if you're just finding other ways, and I'm not
saying you should force yourself to like bang, but I
think you know, probably there are people listening who are married,
who they love each other and they like having sex
with each other. But you know, ten years, twenty years later,
it's not what it used to be, and not because
it couldn't be, but because you got other shit. You know,
it's the drives not what it used to be. You
got kids, you got a job, you know, you got
(12:35):
all these other things going on. And then so if
you found if I found out that my girlfriend or
wife was you know, using the shower head every morning
and then and then wasn't interested in doing it with me,
Then I would that's a problem, right, And not that
she's doing anything wrong. She's fulfilling her needs at the
time she wants them fulfilled. Maybe I wasn't there, But like,
if that prevents you from then wanting other stuff with
(12:58):
the actual person you're with, then whether you mean it
or not, I think you're sending the message that that
person isn't want it anymore.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
Yeah, and men and women sex drives like hit at
different times, like their peak, which is so.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
Very us men and women.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
But what if you tried celibacy and so I've tried
that before.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
Really I have tried that before.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
And like not doing you know, molesting yourself.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
You know, I've tried that before. I tried that before
more in my like twenties, when I think I was
a little out of control with it. Yeah, Like I
wasn't diagnosed as sex addict, but I was. I was
encouraged by my therapist at the time to do just that.
Oh wow, how about just stop for a while and
see what that's like. And because in my twenties I
(13:41):
was a little bit out here. Yeah, I really enjoyed
in my early thirties and my mid thirties and my
late thirties, I've enjoyed a lot of things. Yeah, And
I don't know. I think it's just it could become
really you can become very detached from the intimacy of it.
Or if you've never really experienced true intimacy, and I'm
not sure that I really have, honestly in romantic intimacy,
(14:02):
then I don't know. It's hard to not it's hard
to feel like you don't need something you don't know, right,
you know what I mean, Like, I don't really know.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
So, so how long did you go did you find
yourself more interested in dating like when you weren't doing.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
All that or.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
I guess maybe I'm trying to remember. I think more
than anything, it was just to like reclaim, not control,
but it's just to feel like to feel like I
wasn't in fact addicted like that, I that I wasn't
you know that I could say, like, I know this
sounds dumb, but I think it was more like just
to sort of reclaim like, okay, right, I do have
(14:38):
control over this. I am making conscious decisions. I'm not
compensating for something else, you know, whatever, But I just
I don't know. I guess I wasn't interested in too
much of a connection.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
Yeah, and it can be more transactional for you guys,
and that's just science, and I think that that's probably
easier than You're like very self sufficient, so it's like,
why would I.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
But then you get to a certain point in life
where it's honestly like, I do have a difficult time
imagining how someone else incorporates into this life because and
people can say that's selfish, I almost think it would
be selfish to have somebody around knowing what I know
and knowing how I feel like I'm working on trying
to like that's why I go to one of the
reasons that I talked to folks, because it's like I'm
(15:18):
trying to figure out how that would work, as opposed
to just convincing myself that I don't need anybody else
because I've lived this life this long and I've managed
to make it all work. But again, I do have
a number of experiences where I've tried to force relationships
to work because well, this maybe this is how it's
supposed to be or how it's supposed to feel, or
the other person's expectations that seem super overbearing to me. Well,
(15:39):
maybe this is just what being in a relationship is,
and later I come to find out it's not. It
doesn't have to be that way. I just maybe haven't
picked my spots very well. But as it pertains to
the robot thing, if you gave me a robot that
was as realistic as a human being and no one
ever knew I had a robot, I fucked the shit
out of it.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
Yeah, I mean I'm not against.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
It, honestly, robot. I hear the judgment.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
I don't. I mean it's the same thing like looks.
Speaker 5 (16:09):
Like I think it's just about like making it spicier
like at times, like I don't know if it's got
to be like a black or white, like you only
fuck the robot or you fuck a human Like I
think it's like watch as long as there's like a balance,
like you work the robot in every once in a
while just to like spice things up. And I think
that's different. It doesn't have to be like I'm giving
up humans to only fuck this robot.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
I just think it's a slippery slope. I really do
imagine if this robot could be programmed, and I'm sure
it could be to do exactly the thing, exactly the
way you want it every time. I think it's worse
if it looks.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
Like money, right time money.
Speaker 5 (16:44):
And I think it's worse if it looks like you,
like you know, if it looked like me like that
almost makes it worse versus just like.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
A no, I want a Ke Ranger.
Speaker 5 (16:53):
I mean I would take a Kiky robot, but I
wouldn't like give Mike a Jason looking robot.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
Okay, what if the robot look like somebody else? Now
are we cheating? But still I don't think it's cheating.
So if I went out and bought a robot that
looked nothing like the person I'm with, it looked like Drake,
what why don't have to be oh for you?
Speaker 2 (17:11):
Like?
Speaker 1 (17:13):
No, No, I was gonna say, I think we have
bigger issues that now if I were fucking a Drake doll. Yeah.
So Mianna Kendrick fucked all Yeah, as long as she
had to do that Cups thing, that the Cups thing
to fuck you for that. I think even she knows
that she fucked up on that one. I mean she
made a lot of money, I'm sure, but like.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
Come on's favorite movie.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
And honestly, if my dick goes in my body, if
I see the Cups thing, I'll never up.
Speaker 5 (17:40):
I'm so for when I see Kendrick playing with cups.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
It's like I'm swimming in like an ice cold pool.
When I see the cups thing, It's like, where's your dick?
It's gone? I'll you know, I wonder I do wonder
that when I see the Cups thing, I'm like, will
I ever get an erection ever again in my life?
And where is the robot? And how do we where's
Elon Musk to deprogrammed this thing? Because it is fucked up? Man?
Yeah no, I so a doll that doesn't look like you?
(18:05):
That would be a problem.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
Who is this bitch? Big So you? Okay, So your
boyfriend is obviously very attracted to you. You're attracted to him,
but you dated men who don't look exactly like him, right,
and you were attracted to them too. So let's say
that you're still You're not discounting the attraction that you
(18:28):
have to Big Tim, but this would be an outlet
for you to experience something else. You're attracted to without
actually involving another human.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
Now we're getting to now you getting more.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
So that's a problem, yes.
Speaker 4 (18:40):
Because if they look like something else, then that opens
up the door for him to really want that something else.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
If you just getting me a.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
Different or is it fulfilling that need without actually cheating?
Like porn, I think that people look at porn that
caters to you know, like look if if if you
find out Big Tim was looking at Asian porn and
you're I mean you're obviously not Asian. Thank you? Right
there you go. You know, I don't think that that
makes it. I don't think that means he's cheating. I
(19:09):
don't think that means he's not attracted to you. I
don't think that means that he don't think you're the ship.
I think it's just a way of another outlet to
him to fulfill something that he likes. It's not you.
Speaker 4 (19:18):
Well, in my house, I got enough weeks to be
whatever bit you want me to be, and I am
not about to have him fucking a doll that looks
totally different because now watching it, as long as I
don't know, Hey, that's between you and a little Asian lady.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
You watch it you out here what it looks totally different?
Speaker 2 (19:37):
That's crazy, okay, all right, I wouldn't love it, no, no,
fair enough.
Speaker 5 (19:42):
It tres me out that it looks like me.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (19:45):
I feel like it's easier to switch.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
It looks like to me.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
I want all of it to look like me, yes, forever.
Speaker 5 (19:54):
That's why I don't funk with y'all.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
Okay, but you don't. You don't watch porn that looks
like Shane all the time.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
Mmmmm yes I do.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
M see there's this tangent cut up, you know, make
us a preset. And also the Stagy Listen and The
Fred Show on demand and all the Socials, the Fred's Show,
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