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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hmmm.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
Plena just said she's gonna finish before I start, which
is that's a dream come true. That's all any man
could ever hope for, really, that you finished before I start,
as long as as long as I'm present. No, I
mean just like you're if you're good before we like
before anything happens. Oh yeah, yeah, that's what I mean. Like, okay, fantastic.
(00:24):
Well yeah, yeah, if you know, you know, if you know,
you know hit the intro. It's the tangent giving you
all this ship we couldn't talk about on the air. Yeah,
I guess this has been called the kind of looks
like a rose, but it's a vibrator. Yeah, and I've
seen people like they like set it on their nightstand,
like as if it's like decor. Yes, but it's actually
(00:45):
because it looks like a little has little pedals on
it and stuff, but it looks like.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Let me show you I've seen the rose.
Speaker 4 (00:57):
You're looking at me like you didn't know, did you say?
Speaker 2 (00:59):
I know?
Speaker 5 (00:59):
It's some of them they have like the extensions you
put on, Yeah, like that goes in you.
Speaker 4 (01:05):
They have I didn't know this. They have accessories. Yes,
there's somewhere it goes in you. There's some that's just
the sucker.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Wow, and it's waterproof, right, yeahs to be because I
would imagine, yeah, like whatever comes on?
Speaker 4 (01:23):
Right, you call it come secretion? Oh okay, who is
better than secretion? It's I don't know you come?
Speaker 6 (01:34):
Yes, you call it that.
Speaker 4 (01:36):
Yeah, okay, I didn't know if you still called it that.
I just go, are you going to go? Are you
going to go? Are you close?
Speaker 3 (01:49):
How was this to tell you I'm going I'm secreting?
Speaker 4 (01:53):
Hello? But what if you're like not having sex and
it's still like.
Speaker 6 (01:57):
We still things still come Polly come yes?
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Because yes, just like right now, I'm not coming right now.
Speaker 4 (02:10):
I know that you find yourself irresistible Jason, but.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
In fact I've been get you there nothing, there's nothing, no,
this is this is probably the best tangent we've ever done.
There's nothing sexier for me than Jason. I've been trying
morning to catch you there for me.
Speaker 4 (02:29):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
So morality Monday on a Wednesday. Yes, I've always, I'm
always I have them always ready to go. I can
do a morality Monday on command, like you can find
me at a bar and be like morality Monday and
I'll hate you with something because I got stacks of them.
Speaker 4 (02:43):
Reddit.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Reddit is gives and it never stops giving. That's the
next thing that can't go away. I need TikTok for
this show to get like, to stay current and get research.
I need Reddit because people are always posting crazy ship
on there.
Speaker 4 (02:58):
Most of it.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
I'm sure he isn't true, but that I don't know
why you're coming here for, you know, accuracy? Oh here, yeah, no, no, no,
we're not journalists. Well I am, but the rest of
you are. No. I mean when you think, when you think,
you think journalism with a capital jay.
Speaker 6 (03:15):
Not the one with the journalism degree.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
No, yeah, absolutely not, no, certainly not. Okay, So I think, Pauline,
I think you sent me this. So what would you
do here? A woman shared her conundrum in a Reddit post,
and it was a bit of a synopsis was provided
by People magazine. Even People's going to Reddit for content now,
so I don't feel as bad. Her sixteen year old
daughter was invited to travel to Costa Rica with her
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friend along with her friends parents and grandparents. Now the
issue is with who needs to pay for this trip?
So one more time, the woman is the mom writing
the post, her daughter was invited to Costa Rica with
her friends. Parents and grandparents sent her with money for
food and activity and all of that. But I guess
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she assumed, and here in lives the problem that because
she was invited to accompany them, that the travel and
accommodations were going to be I guess just included because like,
she's sixteen, she's not a kid but kind of a kid,
and it's like, you want to come with us on vacation,
you know whatever. I can remember going places with my
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friends before I had a driver's license or money, and
my mom would give me money, but usually the parents
of the kid who invited me would pay. Usually like
I don't remember, I don't remember, But I also don't
remember going on a trip with someone where my mom
didn't say like, well, how much is it going to cost?
But anyway, the issue here is that after the vacation ended,
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she got a full bill for the trip via email.
The costs included a portion of the accommodations car rental. Now,
two years prior, she had invited one of her other
daughter's friends on vacation and they never charged the family
for any of that. I wouldn't dream of charging so
much when I was going anyway, I agree with that, Wyatt.
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Why are's a random one girl and there's two couples
and another young girl and I'm paying a share of
the car rental? Right, Like there how many seats in
the car, Like, let me say I was not like
was I was supposed to ride in the car with you?
The accommodations if there's airfare involved, Like I would ask
those questions ahead of time, like hey, can we chip
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in on this? Or like what's the expectation or cause again,
you know, I don't know how much money these people have,
but maybe I'm just making this up, but like maybe
the family has a lot more money than the person
writing this post whose daughter went, and like they're going
five star the whole way, And maybe knowing that ahead
of time would have meant that the girl couldn't go,
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you know, cause mom can't afford it or whatever, like
that's a possibility. So I do think it's a little
irresponsible not to ask questions ahead of time, like hey, hey,
just like hey, just heads up, like can I chip
in on this? You need money? You know, like what's
going on with that? Then again, on the flip side.
I know that my mom took my sister and her
friends all over the place, all over the country. Wait
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really yeah, like and and but I think I think
it was sort of like in my sister's friend group,
everybody kind of just took a turn. It was like,
I don't know, we're going to California, does Amanda want
to come? Never was there a bill sent to my
parents for her portion of the airbnb or whatever? I
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know that, like my parents if they took my friends
and me out anywhere then, which, by the way, I'm
an English major, and I still fuck up the and
me and I because I think a lot of people
everyone just assumes it's and I, but sometimes that is
actually and me.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
As a follow English major, I don't know, And.
Speaker 4 (06:48):
I still still I still fuck it up. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
I just so I try to say it with confidence.
But then like I like to have proper grammar, you know.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
As long as think with confidence, I'll believe it. That's
also just say.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
But anyway, I just figure, like I don't know, everything
kind of evens out because it's like, well, you know,
I don't know. In high school usually have a core
friend group and it's like, well, we'll go to dinner
and this person will pay because no one has any money. Yeah,
and then these kids only they're sixteen years old, like
if they can't have a job at subway or something,
you know what I mean, Like they don't have a
ton of money.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
Yeah, this is wild.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
They're not paying for vacations. But anyway, that's the setup.
So what do you think, Like, how would you guys
handle this? Like the bill comes, you have to pay
it at this point. But I've never sending my kid
anywhere with those people again because it's like, wait a minute,
I didn't even get it saying what happened here. That's
another thing. It's six it's five people, two adult couples
who should who have jobs I assume or are retired,
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they can pay for the two kids. Right, Yeah, I'm
not that crazy on this then.
Speaker 7 (07:47):
No, not at all. Like I grew up and my
family would do this from time to time. I had
a best friend or have a best friend, Portia, and
she would come with me wherever her mom sometime would
take me and like take us to concerts and trips
and things. And it was just kind of like an
unders standing that if I invite your kids somewhere, I
got your kid, like I'm going to take care of
the bill whatever. But my fam my sister would always
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send me with money, and she would always act before
just to confirm, like hey, you know, oh you're taking
the girls to go see B two k okay, how
much is Kiki's ticket or what do you need for
you know, the night, And her mom would always decline
it or say, you know, don't worry about I got it,
So there would be some communication there. But like sending
a bill after the fact and not pre communicating that
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before you take somebody's kid on a trip, I think
is insane.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
And then like again to kid as granulars as one
child's kid whatever, one teenager is part of the rental car, right, n.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
Like what else I gotta pay for?
Speaker 5 (08:44):
Like your other accommodations, Like if that's something you're gonna
get regardless.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
If I was there or not.
Speaker 4 (08:48):
Right, I don't get it.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
I don't get it. I don't know.
Speaker 5 (08:50):
I've never been on a trip with friends like that.
But I like, have you know done the dinners? You know,
we're in high school, we're in whatever grammar school, and
like my mom would buy pizza or what I were
for like the kids like obviously, like you're right, I
think it like switches off and it's just like unspoken
thing right where it's like I got this and like
the next mom will get this or whatever.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
And I like that.
Speaker 5 (09:09):
But I do believe in today's day and age especially,
you got to over communicate, just like Kiki said, like
just have that conversation prior. So if I'm going to
Turks and Caicos with Sally and her family, like my
mom needs to communicate of like Okay, how much is
going to cost me?
Speaker 3 (09:23):
Like what's the airfare? Like what's this?
Speaker 5 (09:25):
And that?
Speaker 3 (09:26):
Like communicate.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
As I've heard, Sally's parents are constantly trying to flee.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
Flee me out, Yeah, trying to fle you.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
Out, but they're trying to fleece people all the time,
all the time, pay for their their first class airfare
because Sally over.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
Here is first class.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
Girl.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
I've never heard of this, Like I've never this to
me for some reason that the thing it comes to
mind from me on this story is like when you
go out to dinner with a bunch of people and
and like I think in that case, I know it's different,
but like when it comes to charging friends for stuff,
It's like, I'm not gonna go line by line on
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the bill. And I've been out with people who do this,
and by the way, I don't like to go out
with those people. Yeah, like, I really won't go out
with those people. But I've like, I went to a
birthday and I've bitched about this in the past. I
went to a birthday party one time. It was, hey,
come to the birthday party for these adults, very successful adults,
by the way, very successful. I won't say what they do.
They have plenty of money. And it was, Hey, we're
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having a birthday party for so and so. It's that
it's gonna be at this place. It's an activity, and
there's gonna be some appetizers and drinks. Okay, great, Now,
I'm not a cheap person. But at the end of
the night, when I when we start divvying up how
much everything costs, and I'm paying for the party, you know,
it's like couple every couple of hundred bucks, because well,
there were these appetizers, and then there was the activity,
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and then there were the drinks and stuff. It's like,
wait a minute, you invited me to a birthday party.
I don't know that it's unfair for me to assume
that the activity and the appetizers and whatever drinks were
being passed out were included. You invited me there, Like
if I invite you to my house, I don't charge
you for your part of the dinner I made, or
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like I don't charge you for my portion of.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
The Netflix uh right, subscription subscription for the thing that
we watched.
Speaker 5 (11:12):
Yeah, I have a hot take like, if you're throwing
like a birthday party thing or whatever, I obviously like
you're not charging your guest.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
That's weird and cheap and tacky.
Speaker 5 (11:21):
And then I also have another hot take like if,
for example, I don't know Hovey was gonna throw me
a dinner birthday party, which I hate group Dinnersley, don't
ever let that happen. Don't ever let that happen, please,
I'm not a group dinner kind of lady. It's like
a big one, like of twenty people whatever.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
Right.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
I don't know howvey your husband that well, Paulina, But
if Hovey called me first of all, that would be
shocking in itself, and pretty much whatever he asked me
for from that point forward, I would agree to because
that means he would have to speak you have to
speak to you.
Speaker 4 (11:48):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, one.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
I'm working on it. I'm working on you guys.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
I mean, I think maybe it's just that he and
I are similar and then we keep person.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
It's wild oat.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
Front except he's the first responder and a hero and
I'm a fucking idiot. But yeah, other than that, we're
the same guy.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
Know you guys have like a lot of similarities. It's
it's wild. I go home, come here, it's the same person.
I'm sorry now it's okay.
Speaker 5 (12:08):
But like if you ever made like a twenty person
dinner and you guys were invited, like my hot take
because he's my husband and he's inviting you guys. He
needs to cover that whole bill. That's my other hot take.
Like I understand, like if it's just me being like
hey guys, even though I'm also like this too. If
I'm like, hey, it's go eat dinner for my birthday, right,
and there's what five of us in this room, like
I would have you guys wouldn't let me, but I
would want to cover the bill. But I know, like
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as good friends, you guys wouldn't because like, no, it's
your birthday.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
Woo. But if I have a spouse.
Speaker 5 (12:33):
And he's planning this like secret birthday dinner party whatever,
he's covering the bill, that's my hot take.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
Yeah, I got one for you. So let's say you're
invited to a birthday party in a private room. Okay,
you show up, you bring gift, whatever, it's a birthday
party to restaurant, private room and there's someone walking around
taking drink orders and you order a drink, do you?
And there's no bill, you know, no one, no one's saying.
And this person later came to me and said, you
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owe twenty dollars for your drink the hell out of here.
And I was like, wait a minute, but that's fine.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
But it's not fine.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
But like say it's an open bar or something like
make it clear. Because I'm in a room and a
person asked at a party that you invited me to
that's something you paid for, like you rented the room.
Speaker 4 (13:18):
I didn't.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
And then the person's coming around going you want something
to drink. I'm like, Y'll have a vod casoda.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
Okay, But you came out to my birthday party and
I'm using me asn example. You came out to this
person's birthday party.
Speaker 6 (13:27):
The least they can do is buy you a twenty
dollars drink.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
No, but it became this whole thing behind my back
later that I didn't pay twenty and by the way,
nobody did. But it was like, well he didn't give
us twenty bucks for that, Like but I no offense,
but like I hate this, then give me then hand
me a bill. Like if you don't want your guests,
if you want your guests to pay for the drinks,
then the server needs to be like, great, let me
have your credit card?
Speaker 4 (13:46):
Like you cool, I mean too embarrassed to or put
a little.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
Sign up like at weddings, like you know, five dollars
to do whatever it is, like open it's it's you know,
cash bar, open bar. I feel like you have an
obligation if you're the host, to tell people ahead of
time or up front what they're expected to pay for
because if you otherwise, I think I'm your guest.
Speaker 4 (14:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
No, different than coming to my house or whatever. Like
if I invited you guys all to something, I say, hey, guys,
I want you to come to this thing. Right, you're
not paying for that? No, we're not you know what
I mean, No, no, no, if I'll say this much,
Let's say that there's like provided food and provided drink,
but you insist on having something beyond that. Like let's
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say I'm providing you with appetizers and I'm providing you
with you know, shared pizzas or whatever, but you want
the lasagna. You gotta have the fucking lazana, and you
go and order the lasagna.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
Jesus.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
I mean, honestly, I'd probably pay for that too, because
you're at my thing and if you really want it,
like it's not that big a deal.
Speaker 5 (14:43):
Or sometimes people can't eat certain things right, so you
order them like a separate plate.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
I run that right, or they show up and hey,
you know I can't I can't eat this stuff whatever.
It's like, oh my gosh, I'm sorry. Like order whatever
you want like that. That's not a problem for me.
But like if you I don't know, let's say I'm
offering a you know, premium liquor, but you want the
fucking Louis the third teenth or whatever that shit the
t eight hundred dollars is shot or whatever. Yeah, well,
then with all due respect, like I think you know,
you might want to if you're gonna go above and beyond,
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or like if you're out to dinner with your friends
and everybody's sharing stuff and you get the lobster out
of the tank that you picked out right, because obviously
we're at red lobster, because that would be where I
would have a glassy establishment, a classy establishment for an event.
But I don't know, if you go like above and beyond,
then I think you might want to consider, like.
Speaker 5 (15:27):
Yes, yeah, there's like etiquette there, there's level to levels
to this, and that makes me so mad.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
I don't know, you guys need new friend or you
need new friends for it?
Speaker 5 (15:35):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
Will we never chase you around for twenty dollars?
Speaker 2 (15:37):
So we all agree then, like that that they shouldn't
have charged this kid, And if they we're going to
charge the kid, then they should have said something ahead
of time. Yes, And even then we're not going to
get as granular as she ordered, you know, a twelve
dollars grilled cheese and then the car rental one fifth
is this and like and.
Speaker 4 (15:51):
If you're gonna do that, then you gotta tell somebody no.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
Like even when Nana would take friends, I would text
him and be like, all you got to cover is
your flight, you know, if you want to come and
she's got everything else.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
Exactly if they own a house or if they're renting
a house and there's an extra bed and extra room,
then honestly, I already paid for it.
Speaker 6 (16:08):
Yeah, we all want to bring friends.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
Did so, Like if I were to go get an
Airbnb and there's three bedrooms and it's just me and
somebody else, and I want to invite two other couples,
and I was already prepared to pay for it, then
I'm not going to charge my friends. Like again, now
if we all three decide we're gonna go to this place,
so we're gonna we're gonna go big because now there's
three of us. Like, that's a whole different conversation. Like
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let's say, you know, let's say this whole show decides
to go on vacation all together. I'm probably paying for that,
all right, Well, let's say a different example. Let's say
that like you, I have a girlfriend, and then your husband,
and then you and Big Tim, and then you and
Shane or whatever, and you and Mike the Mchannon, we
all decide together, let's go on vacation. Yeah, and we
were each we should do it, except I'd have to
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find a fucking girl.
Speaker 4 (16:51):
But oh, I don't care.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
I would totally do that. By the way, I think
we should take it. The only trip we've ever taken
together was carbon Dale and it was fun. It was fun,
but I think we can do a little better.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
It's a little plane.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
But like, have you ever thought, okay, like it's gonna
cost me three nights in a nice hotel, like twelve
hundred bucks. But if we all went in and we
all had twelve hundred dollars that we were already going
to spend on three hundred dollar hotel room or whatever
whatever it is. Let's say it's a thousand bucks a
couple that we were already going to spend in a hotel. Well,
now whether five of us in here, well, now we
could get a five thousand dollars yar BnB, you know
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what I mean. And that might mean like a ball
or ass house or some shit, so like that. I
would get that, But that's a pre determined decision.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
Yes, yeah, no, if you already paid, I would just say, yo,
I have an Airbnb that's already paid for in Arizona,
here are the dates. If you want to come, I
got you, just got to book your flight. I think
that that's you can say it in a casual way
where it's not like cheap.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
On at all. That's really nice. Actually, yeah, do you
even think of me?
Speaker 1 (17:55):
You know?
Speaker 6 (17:55):
And if you can't make it work, no big deal.
But thought i'd offer, yeah, pato energy.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
I don't like if there's one thing to be broke,
but there's like another thing to be cheap.
Speaker 6 (18:06):
And I always say that because no, no matter how
little money I have, I would rather I will have.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
A credit card bill or be looking in the couch
cushions than be the person at the fucking birthday dinner.
Speaker 6 (18:16):
Like I had one friend one time. Well how much
do you think this is gonna cost?
Speaker 1 (18:19):
It's like, okay, well you obviously can't afford to come,
so like that's fine, but don't calm, don't ask me
some crazy questions.
Speaker 7 (18:25):
I at home. You come and make everything else uncomfortable.
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (18:30):
Just stay out, Just stay home.
Speaker 6 (18:31):
And I get it if you need to. I've been there.
Oh yes, I probably should stay at home.
Speaker 3 (18:35):
I should be home all the time.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
But the only thing I will say is that. Uh,
I do think that, and I agree with everything you
guys have said. But I have in my life run
into people who have different mentalities about money and like
I will never itemize a receipt or I will never
do this or that. But I mean some people, I know,
they spend everything they make. They just spend it all,
and I don't. So I think I have been accused
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by people but of being quote unquote cheap or frugal.
But it's not because I'm not contributing my fair share
to whatever we decided to do. It's because I save
my I save a lot, Like it's I just raise
that way. So it's like I've heard people be like, oh,
he's cheap, you know, he makes a lot of money,
He's cheap or whatever. It's like, No, I'm I work
in a business where they could fire me tomorrow, and
I'd prefer not to be broke, you know what I mean. So,
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like I was raised, my mom like was of the
mentality that if you didn't have at least that amount
of money in the bank again, that you couldn't afford it.
Speaker 4 (19:29):
Yeah, if you can't buy it twice, Like.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
My dad growing up would not buy a car. He
wouldn't buy a new car until he physically had the
money in a suitcase, like physically twenty five thousand dollars
to go to the dealership, So he would drive a
car for twenty years. But then it'd be like shit
would fall off the damn thing, you know, like we didn't.
He didn't have nice cars growing up because he to him,
it was more important to not have to pay it
for it, like payments, than it was to have like
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the nicest, newest car.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
Is there a percent of your paycheck that you put away?
Because I'm trying to be like, I'm just curious what
you just say.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
They say you should have. Is it three months salary
saved at all times as an emergency?
Speaker 4 (20:06):
Okay, I don't know, but no.
Speaker 6 (20:08):
I if there's like a rule that you follow.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
No, I have like an I guess it's a percentage,
but no, I know, I guess not, but I guess
I think long and hard before, I, like really long
and hard before I spend money on stuff, like almost
to like the point of nauseum, Like I call my
mom and try and get permission on shit, yes, yes,
or your friends right, But I'll be like I'll look
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at something I want, shoes or a bag or something
I want, and it will take me literally years to
pull the trigger. And it's almost like I still call
my mom like, Hey, I'm gonna buy this. You should
like a lot of times we'll go shoping together. Should
buy that. She's the worst enabler, but she also knows that,
Like for some reason, at forty four years old, I'm
still looking for permission from my mother to spend my
own damn money.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
I can't play that game. I'll be told no every
single time. I won't have anything.
Speaker 4 (20:58):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
I think it's interesting because I say, and this is
a whole different topic, but if you can save sometimes
I think having the money in the bank over time
is far more fulfilling than whatever bullshit item you wanted
at the time, because like knowing that if knowing that
if shit happens, you're gonna be okay to a certain extent,
to me, is like a lifestyle versus yes. And the
other thing I've always heard is if you want to
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buy a material item, if you're don't buy it like
for a week or two or three, and if you're
still thinking about it after two or three weeks then
buy it. But what I find is most of the
shit that I think I want, Oh yeah, I'm not.
Speaker 4 (21:32):
I don't remember like.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
Ten ten days ago, two weeks ago, yeah, stupid bullshit,
Like I don't even remember it. I didn't even remember
what I wanted anymore, you know. So it's like oftentimes
and that should tell you how much, like how much
how important it really is in your life the thing
that you wanted, because if you're not thinking about it
in two weeks and it wasn't that important, and you
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would have wasted your money and you wouldn't have cared.
So anyway, I don't know. Okay, Well, there's nice. That
was a very nice and excellent work. Everyone morality Monday,
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