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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's Sonya Blakey.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
It's February, the month of Love, and I wanted to
bring back relationship talk Thursday. Now.
Speaker 1 (00:06):
You know, I've done this for many years with Pastor Fort.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
We call him the Love Doctor, and we've also had
Love McPherson, but we switched it up a little bit.
And they are a power couple for real. They have
a book call actually Power Couples. And I'm excited about
this opportunity, excited about this moment. I believe the Lord
was speaking to me when I put the request out.
Pastor Jermone Glenn hey, hey, hey, and Pastor Erica Glenn Hello,
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and they serve as executive pastors there at New Life
with Pastor Hannah. Yeah is that correct? And he's okay
with y'all doing this right?
Speaker 3 (00:41):
Yeah? Yeah, this is his prayer.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
This used to be home for Pastor Hannah. So this
is excellent.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
So tell us a little bit about you guys.
Speaker 4 (00:51):
You've been married for this.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
Will be your twentieth year.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Tell us a little bit about your relationship, the dynamic
of who you guys are.
Speaker 5 (00:56):
Yeah, we celebrate twenty years this year in April. So excited.
We have three incredible children Josiah Money and Jonathan. We've
been senior pastors and leaders in the city of Grand
Rapids before we moved Chicago. I'm originally from Chicago. My
wife is originally from Grand She's a retired educator, principal teacher,
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who's who of American teachers, Dune Cookman alumni, you know
all the things. She's incredible. Everything's better when she's around. Okay,
So yeah, we love marriages and believe part of our
mission is to you know, He'll restore celebrate black marriages. Yeah,
our marriages are under attack. Yes, but is God's original idea?
Speaker 1 (01:40):
And you have children to a little bit about your faice.
Speaker 6 (01:42):
Yes, So my oldest is twenty four. We are blended family.
So I didn't burn him, but he does have a
little stretch mark over here that is designated just for him.
Our daughter, Monette is a senior this year, so she
will be graduated from high school. And our baby Jonathan
is a freshman.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
He's a freshman.
Speaker 6 (02:00):
And our dog Royalty, she is nine years old.
Speaker 4 (02:02):
Okay, believe me, I know dogs about the family.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
We got to okay, oh my god, they're very much
a part of our family.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
So how did you guys get into marriage ministry because
I think it's really unique. Everybody can't talk to to
couples and two singles.
Speaker 6 (02:18):
So how did you all well get into this? So
I'll start off first. So when we first got together,
I don't think we thought about that this was what
we're going to be doing. But my husband always when
we were engaged, he was just always talking to me
about we have to protect our story, we have to
protect our story.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
Because I was like, you know whatever.
Speaker 6 (02:39):
I was like, let's just go to the fireplace, let's
get married, and let's just call it today. But he
was just very, very intentional about protecting our story. And
then we had a profit that came and let us
know that this is what we would be doing and
that we would speak to this generation.
Speaker 5 (02:53):
So we kind of and we didn't choose that as
much as it chose us, you know, in our calling,
just to say yes, we have come out of broken families,
in the says that we both come out of divorce homes.
We decided that we didn't want that to be a
generational situation for us, very intent adamantly, as you heard,
we were bonus family. I did have my oldest son
in the context of marriage or marriage that did not work.
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What I say, or consider to be my greatest failure
is that break up in that situation. But however, in
the recovery, I mean, in an amazing way, we all
get along, my ex wife, my wife, my son, like
it's really strange, but you know, it's great, and then
in that way, but I'm so glad that it's stayed
that way. And so in the process of that, we
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learned a lot through mistakes, through failures, through ups and down.
We had some incredible marriage mentors. My wife's grandparents, Bishop
William c Abney and Lady Lobrain Abney was married forty
three years in ministry. We sat, we hung out with
as my wife said, hung out with the old people,
drowed them around, took them to lunch, took them to dinner, chauffeurs,
sat at their house, listened to them, learn from them.
Our current leaders, you know that Pastor and Hannah, they
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all so have a great thirty two years of marriage.
Our pastors who live in Omaha, doctor Martin, and Pastor Lnell,
who's been a part of our lives for over a decade.
They have thirty plus years of marriage. So We've been
surrounded around that and so the manto, the mandate just
kind of fell on us in that regard. So we
really are advocates for marriage and for family, and people
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make it harder than it has to be. So we
try to lend the wisdom that God has given us
through both our experiences, our mentors and counseling.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
Couples to help people stay out the weeds.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
Yeah, in the right place at the right time, Okay.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
In his Relationship Talk Thursday, we are back with Pastor
Jermone Glenn and Pastor Erica Glenn, married for twenty years
this year. We're going to come back and talk about
their book, Power Couples. We're also going to welcome your calls,
you know, because I know a lot of you all
may have a question that you may have outside of
the topic, and we welcome those as well.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
And they look so cute today, y'all. Yeah, y'all got
to see the video they get on.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
They came in Magine with red hoodies on.
Speaker 4 (04:57):
I'm like, this is low for real?
Speaker 3 (05:02):
He did it to him, shout out to Bach. We
matchine the day.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
All right, We're going to come back on this relationship
Talk Thursday, family.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
It's so de Blakey.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
I'm so happy Relationship Talk Thursday is back and they
are a power couple for real. This is not just
a book they wrote Power Couples. They are a power couple.
I'm here with Pastor Jermone Glenn and Pastor Erica Glenn
Douglenn's you know who are executive pastors there at New Life,
and they also are over the marriage ministry there at
New Life.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
Correct, that's correct.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
And so you have a book called Power Couples. Can
you tell us what this book is about? And it's
what we're going to talk about today.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (05:36):
I think the idea centered around the book is, first
of all, everybody can be should be a power couple,
because it's not just the iconic people you think about
on TV or even just us, but every relationship has
the potential to be a power couple and to use
its power for the advancement of his family dynamic and
usually finding that power is in your differences, believe it
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or not. So different says don't have to mean disconnection.
Actually it is the source and the strength of your power.
God created us in Genesis. May equal in dominion, equal
in authority, but we got different roles in different assignments,
and so usually they say opposites attracting the things that
you love, like or attracted about your partner is the
things that's different but yet instilled. When you get into
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conflict or intention or growth point opportunities, differences end up
being disconnection. We don't want differences to be disconnection, but
we want you to learn how to use your differences
as your power.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
Yeah, yeah, that's Erica.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
What would you say, Well, how would you define a
power couple? Because that's that's that's a big word power.
How would you define that?
Speaker 4 (06:40):
I guess I.
Speaker 6 (06:40):
Would define it is that as a husband being just
knowing who you are and being all of that bring
that to the table. And then as a wife being
knowing all that you are and bringing that to the
table and not feeling that you have to downsize yourself
or make yourself small so that your partner can feel strong,
but just bringing all of your power in a sense,
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all of your positive, all of your negative, and just like,
this is our marriage, and this is what we bring
to the table. Because opposites do a track, but people
fail to remember that the very thing that I love
about you could also be the thing that kind of
like hits me the wrong way, and instead of embracing that,
they just want to detach from it or make the
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other person feel a certain kind of way.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
About it that it disappears.
Speaker 6 (07:28):
But if you let them be who they are, and
they're who they need to be, and you look at
that negative thing or whatever it's not rubbing you the
correct way as something that can actually strengthen you, sharpen you,
make you a better person. Then you look at it
differently and you, guys, you realize that we got power.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
Yeah, let's use it. Yeah. It should not be.
Speaker 5 (07:48):
A wife should not marry a man that becomes her
ceiling or rather her catalysts. So it has to be
comfortable in his identity and as strength and his skin,
so that when she to him, it's not her losing
herself and losing higher identity. Her submission should give strength
to you and strength to your union. So you want
to engage her strength as submission. So in her submission,
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she she gets an advocate, she gets more strength or
more power as it relates. So he's not insecure in
her identity.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
So you said the word submit, That word's a little
it's a cuss word, right, you said it right, past
area is a cuss word, you know in a church.
I'm thinking has been also misinterpreting.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
Right.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
So when you say submission, what do you what do you.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
Mean by that? I mean submission in the sense of submission.
Speaker 5 (08:35):
I think that it only becomes a cuss word because
most women feel like they lose their strength when they submit,
exactly when really they should gain strength by submission. It's
not that you can't, it's that you don't have to
now because you have given that leadership, that advantage to
someone else. My wife still know how to pump gas,
but she don't have to now. She still knows how
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to pay bills she necessarily don't have to know. There's
things she still know how to do that in her submission,
she begins an advocate too. Right, it's in our own
relationship with God when we submit to him. It's not
that we lose ourselves if we find ourselves. So I
think ladies fight the word submission first of all because
they feel like they're losing themselves or submitting to someone
who is not going to cover them in the sense
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of giving them strength back as it relates to that.
So submission is God's way. So it's not if you submit,
it's how you submit it who you submit to that
either gives you an advantage or makes you feel like
you're at a disciplined.
Speaker 6 (09:29):
Yeah, because I feel like some women have that word
submission is difficult for them because they feel that the
person that they're submitting to is not the priest. He's
not the protector, he's not the provider. So somebody got
to be this in this relationship, and so how am
I going to submit to someone that's not doing those things?
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So I think sometimes when submission is questioned in regards
to a woman, most of the time it has to
be looked back as the husband and the leader, and
what is he bringing to the table. He's stepping up
Because when a woman feels like all of that's taken
care of, I don't have no problem falling back. I
don't have no problem falling back. If you're doing everything
and everything is being taken care of, I don't have
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any problem.
Speaker 4 (10:11):
I had no problem submitting to my husband.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
I was just.
Speaker 4 (10:16):
The only issues right.
Speaker 6 (10:18):
The only issue that I had was because of my
independence and being raised by a single mother, I had
to change my paradigm. But it wasn't because I didn't
want to. It was because I wasn't raised.
Speaker 4 (10:33):
To do that.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
Wow.
Speaker 5 (10:34):
But I think a lot of people have engaged in
relationships where they hadn't quite adequately counted up the costs
to say, hey, if I engage in this marriage, can
I submit? I don't just want your name and your advantages,
but what am I submitting to? If I'm giving If
I'm submitting my authority, my credit score.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
My last name, my bloodline, my.
Speaker 5 (10:56):
Individual traits, my social security, because that's all the things
that when you ask wanted to submit. A man doesn't
have to give over none of that when he gets
married and woman got to go downtown and change all
the paperwork. She has to submit that stuff. So if
I'm submitting, what am I submitting to? So don't get
in the marriage after you said you will, and then
you won't. If you will, then will, but before you will,
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know what you will do and what you're doing before
you do it.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Wow, You'll need y'all need to counsel counsel couples before
they get married, because like, if you go into the marriage,
like I think things gonna be perfect, but.
Speaker 5 (11:31):
You know to get into we do have conversations about
people that are seriously dating and help them understand. You know,
is this the next step you want to take? Because
healthy single people make healthy married people. Whole people make
a whole marriage. It's not two halves that make a
whole marriage. It's not you complete me. That sounds good
on a movie, but the idea is your whole. You're complete,
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your whole, you complete too.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
Whole.
Speaker 5 (11:54):
Complete people individual know who they are with that purpose,
what that passion is, get to together and then they
make this is good.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
That's how you make it back.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
It's relationship Talk Thursday with the Glenns Pastor Jimon Glenn,
pastor Erica Glenn. We're talking about power couples and we
got some questions coming through. Somebody wanted to know about
finding common ground pools.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
Did you have a question for the team.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
My name is James, Thanks so much for having me on.
I had a quick question.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
I had a question about challenges on finding common ground.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
How do you do that?
Speaker 5 (12:27):
I think that that's a great question. I think my
wife stated earlier that it's important to know what you
bring to the table, right, so everybody bring who they
are to the table. All of who they are to
the table, and then if you as simply as write
it down on a piece of paper and then find
where you have matches. These are our strengths, This is
what we both frailed, This is what we both want,
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this is what we both believe. We just walked the
couple through this exercise in a conversation we were having
where we asked them to write down what they want
from their marriage and what they were also willing to bring,
but don't share it with each other. Bring it to
the conversation wow, then read it out loud to each
other in the presence of all of us. When they
did that, they found out that they had more things
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in common that they wanted than they had. Then they
were able to hear from themselves that they really were
on separate pages as they thought they were. They both
were after the same things, and once they were able
to see it and hear it, then they can start
working towards.
Speaker 6 (13:26):
Yeah, because I think that exercise is powerful to be
separated because as a couple, you're just you know, you're
always doing everything together, and I think we failed to
realize that. As a quote unquote individual, I am attracted
to this person because of what they bring to the table.
But differences and insecurities and you know, being offended causes
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everything to be foggy versus showing you how things are common.
So that exercise is very very good to do.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
I love that. Thank you so much for all that
answer your question.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
Oh yeah, definitely, thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
All right, thank you family.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
It's a great day talking with the pastor Jermone Glenn
and Pastor Erica Glenn. They are my relationship couple on
this relationship talk Thursday.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
I think this is going to be a long lasted relationship.
I think something is happening in this room.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
And we're talking about their book Power Couples, and we
were talking about submission earlier. You guys can go back
to our Facebook page or Instagram page, whatever and see
what that was all about. But I was saying to Pat,
to Pastor Glenn's, to Pastor Jermon and Pastor Erica, that
I wish that a lot of people were able to
sit in the room with you to talk about the
concept of marriage what it takes, because you could probably
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save a lot of marriages and people who had better
understand what it means to submit, what it means to
be a power couple and you wanted to pick up
from their pastor Jamon, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
It's so good.
Speaker 5 (14:48):
It's like one of the things that we always consider
is that people are attracted to or they date vision,
but they marry values. Right, So they think they're dating vision,
but they're really they think they're marrying vision, but they're
really dating vision and dating values. Because when you're in
the dating phase and you sit down and say, well,
what do you want to do, well, everybody can pay
the big picture. I want to go here, I want
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to do this. I see ourselves. I see, I see,
I see. But if you lean into that person that
you're talking to while they're painting this broad stroke picture
of vision and see how they behave in the value
system and their value structures. Do they manage money, do
they value it? Do they manage time? Do they keep
they word or their person of integrity? You'll see character
traits that will let you know if those value systems
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are in place, that will end up inevitably bringing you
into the place of vision. And so while you may
be attracted to someone's vision, don't marry their vision, marry
their values and make sure that you have similar values,
because if you have similar values, then all the conflict
or detention points in a marriage come around values. They
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always late, they don't pay bills on time. It's value stuff,
it's not vision stuff. So the tension is in the values.
And so women often have a struggle point of submission
because when they run into the dream that you sold
me in vision, it's not lining up, bruh, with the.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
Values that you have.
Speaker 5 (16:09):
And so my wife's struggle was never in her desire
to necessarily submit, to submit early on, was because we
had similar values.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
Our purpose match talk about.
Speaker 6 (16:20):
That baby, yes, So it was interesting when I met him.
I'd known him since we had known each other since
we're teenagers. But I was at his apartment and he
was in his office or whatever, you know, so you dating.
So I was like, you know, behind him, you know,
looking around, being nosy, trying to figure out what I
need to know. And I saw on his computer he
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had like a five year vision and a ten year
vision and a three year vision. And then I started
looking at the things that he had bullet points by,
and I was like, I thought I was the only
weird person who thought like this, or I thought that
you know, I didn't think anybody would want a family
meeting and all this other kind of stuff.
Speaker 4 (16:56):
And I felt like I.
Speaker 6 (16:58):
Was in his goals and his vision because they were mine.
So I was not trading my vision or my goals
to be with someone. I was really bringing whatever I
was to the table. He was bringing whoever he was
to the table, and we weren't losing anything because we
wanted the same thing. So it was like all of
the other people that I had dated, I didn't necessarily
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see they have vision, but their values didn't match what
they said that they wanted in their life.
Speaker 4 (17:26):
And I could see this man.
Speaker 6 (17:28):
Wanted these things, and these are the exact same things
that I wanted. And I'm like, oh, I could if
this happened, I could do this. I could lay back
because I know he's going to make certain things happen.
And you know, when we were with my grandparents, you know,
they had been married over fifty years, and my grandfather
and my grandmother would always talk about how Sarah called
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Abraham lord little lord lord, and my grandmother, my grandmother
looked me straight in my face and she said, if
you cannot call him little lord, don't marry him. She said,
because you will emasculate him, and every single opportunity it
is for him to stand up and be a leader.
He will not be the leader because in your head
he's not Lord, not Lord Lord.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
That's Bible.
Speaker 5 (18:16):
The Bible say submit to your husband as unto the Lord's.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
What is exactly what it says.
Speaker 5 (18:22):
And I think a lot of ladies enter into a
relationship without the consideration that could he be my little lord?
Speaker 3 (18:29):
Could he be?
Speaker 5 (18:29):
Could I follow him in that same manner? And I
think a lot of husbands enter into a relationship without
feeling the weight and the responsibility of God is seeing
you in this seat as a.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
Representation of Him.
Speaker 5 (18:42):
It's not a tip for tat, not an if she
does and if I do, and I'll get what I get.
But you have your separate responsibility as into God to
treat your wife and let your wife feel the affirmation
and the revelation of your love. And when she feels
your love, she should feel like God is loving her.
And in the same sense as a wife that when
you're submitted to this man, can you see him in
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the identity that God put him? And when you function
in those matters the way He created because it's God's idea.
Everybody want to redefine God's idea. You can't redefine God's
idea of merit. You just can try to live up
to it and understand it. And when you get engaged
in that matter, then you you unlock your power, the
power and the potential of your purpose of who God
created you to be. So value is really the area
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that we got to lean into. More less vision, more value. Yes,
where we're going, but how are we going to get there?
Because the tension is not in the vision. The tension
is in the value.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
I like that.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
No, So okay, so we don't have You can touch
on this when we get back. So is that what
dating is all about? Where you kind of investigating, you're inspecting,
and you know what I'm saying, You try to figure
out just what you find out the value?
Speaker 4 (19:48):
This was what was supposed to happen when you're dating.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
So my wife, I'm gonna let her chuck.
Speaker 5 (19:51):
She cleared her throat because this is her area, because
she has to chime in on this. Because I wasn't
a dater, right, So I got when I got saved,
I didn't date. I wasn't in a pos i wasn't
day and girls, I couldn't do it. I had to,
you know, come to a strict side of my faith
so that I.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
Didn't know how to intertwin.
Speaker 5 (20:06):
So even in our relationship where she said we was
dating or whatever, it's a dig towards me because I
told her we never dated, we were courting. Because I
always engaged her with the intent to be my wife period.
I only saw her that way. I had no energy
around investigating beyond that. My wife is the one that
educated me on what a working definition of dating is
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that I could agree with, and you summed it up.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
We can we can We just pause that right there.
We're gonna come back again.
Speaker 4 (20:34):
We're gonna put the people.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
On the anthony s like, okay, what is Pastora say?
Speaker 1 (20:37):
We gonna come back.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
Relationship Talk Thursday Here with Pastor Jamon Glenn and Pastor
Erica Glenn thirteen ninety in his Relationship Talk Thursday, I'm
Sonia here with Pastor Jamon Glenn and his lovely wife,
Pastor Erica Glenn, and we're talking about Power Couples, the
book Power Couples, and we touched on dating just a
little bit earlier. Pastor Erica you have a definition for
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dating versus.
Speaker 6 (21:01):
According it is truly gathering information, and it's more information,
and it's more than just what is your favorite color.
It's more than what's your favorite restaurant?
Speaker 4 (21:12):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (21:12):
Like that when they had that whole thing about ain't
nobody gonna take me to Chili's, our first day was
at chili you know what I'm saying, because it was
like we understood that in order for me to know
what I'm in order for me to date you, I
have to know you and I have to see you
in different spaces and places. So for thirty days, we
saw each other every single day, really, so every single day.
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As a woman, You're going to see my emotions. You're
gonna see when I'm on my cycle, how I You're
gonna see if I get angry. I want to see
every emotion that's inside of you because I need to
know who you really are and can I deal with
that and the consistency of it all. So exactly one weekend,
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these online long distance relationsation ships gotta lean in, gotta
lean into the heavy things, and you gotta you gotta
you want that person to get mad, You want that
person to be angry because you want to see how
they handle different.
Speaker 4 (22:11):
Things in all the seasons.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (22:12):
Yeah, So for me, dating was getting data, and you know.
Speaker 5 (22:17):
We translated that into the context of our marriage. We
have marriage Mondays. It's a whole podcast out there about it.
It's called marriage Monday. It's a thing we do. We
date every May, every Monday. I'm not really a Friday
go out date there. Sundays is the weekend for me.
I'm tired of Saturday. I'm not hanging out Sunday. We
got church all day. But Monday is the down date.
Monday is the day that we carverside in our marriage
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to date. Every single Monday. We go, we do something,
we eat, we talk, we discussed, we have a conversation around.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
We have morning worship hallelujah, uh.
Speaker 5 (22:54):
Exactly, we have we have We have intentional engaged time
collected around dating. Our children know, our friends, know our
family know. Our phone rarely rings on a Monday. People
very come barely intrude into our lives because it is
a sanctified, segregated time where we continue into dating even
in our marriage, because there's still things I need to know.
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In her definition of collecting, data. There's still seasons. Who
she is now is not who she was. What she
wanted then is not what she want now. What I
wanted then is not what I want now. She's evolving,
I'm evolving. Who are you today? What do you desire
this week? What do you want in this season? I'm
dating you. I'm not going to do it to get you,
and then once I got you and don't put an
investment into so I block it. On the calendar. I'm
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a person of time. I'm a personal calendar. Meet is
our important a schedule that I put on my calendar,
My day, my marriage, Monday is on my calendar because
it is a high, high priority for me. We have
family days, that is our Wednesday is our family day
where we have intention. We sit around the table, eat
dinner on Wednesdays and on Sundays. Today we can't do
it all the time, but on Wednesdays, my family know
(24:00):
we're eating dinner together on Sundays after church. This is
a lot of structure because it's the same things. Well,
because because whatever is the same things, that.
Speaker 6 (24:09):
The same thing that I saw on his paper, it's
the same thing that's happening in our lives now.
Speaker 5 (24:14):
But if you don't make your priorities and create them,
people will create them for you, and then your marriage
will become secondary, and then you wonder why it's not flourishing.
It has no power because you haven't made it a priority.
Anything that's important, you have to make it a priority.
If you don't protect it as a priority, people will
chew up your time. They'll tell you, Oh, you don't
have nothing to do on Monday, I got you.
Speaker 3 (24:34):
Do this, do this.
Speaker 5 (24:34):
You don't have none to do. On Wednesday, come here,
you don't have anything to do. On Sunday, Come eat
with us, Come eat with us. But our our times
that we protect our sacred around what our priorities are
because we're intentionally building a family. My wife always say,
this is our children's only childhood. Let's make it a
good one. Let's try to minimize Yeah, we had ours.
Let's try to minimize the trauma that they're going to
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have to deal Let's try to minimize the healing they're
going to have to deal with.
Speaker 3 (24:58):
We're responsible for career in.
Speaker 5 (25:00):
That framework, and so we date, even in our marriage
and even with our family, our children, our family, we
intentionally involve them into the process.
Speaker 6 (25:10):
And I think people have to also realize that whatever
you feed gets larger. So it's like, if you feed
your marriage, it's going to get stronger if you if
you if you don't feed it, it's going to get weaker.
If you feed your children, your relationship with your children
is going to get stronger. So whatever you want to
see increased, you need to feed it. And whatever you
want to see not increase, stop feeding it. Like you
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know you you you single, you're trying to be celebate, Well,
stop feeding you, stop feeding sex, stop stop sleeping, stop
sleeping around, stop stop feeding it.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
Right, all right, there's a whole another segment right there.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
Well, well, but it's the same segment.
Speaker 5 (25:49):
Because broken single people create broken marriages. Healed single people
create heal healthy marriages. So it does. The work in
marriage doesn't begin when you get married. The work in
marriage begins while you are single. You increase your value
while you're single, and whole, whole plus whole equal hole,
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two whole people come together, make a whole person and
make a whole marriage.
Speaker 3 (26:15):
That's how power is happening.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
All right, Yeah, this has been a great first show
with y'all. We can keep on talking, but we're gonna
have to. We're gonna come back next Thursday. This is
not over, y'all. Relationship Talk Thursday is happening with the
pastor Jermoon Glenn and Pastor Erica Glenn. Now, if folks
want to get your book, orf, they want to follow out,
you know, follow up with you guys about this conversation.
Speaker 4 (26:37):
What's the best way to do that.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
It's all on my website. J E R m o
n E.
Speaker 5 (26:40):
Yourmone not Jerome Jermome Glenn j R m o n
E Glenn at dot com. All the website, the shirts
we got on everything, it's all there.
Speaker 3 (26:50):
We wrote.
Speaker 5 (26:50):
I've been able to write over twenty books. Four of
them I wrote with my wife, their relationship books. Power
Couples is the latest one. We're about to take it
on a little mini tour and in certain cities, and
so it's good to share it with you. Use your strengths,
use your differences, not as disconnection, but use it as
a power. And that new life on the fourth, the
fourth weekend in February, actually we got a marriage thing
(27:13):
that's happening in that new life. Everybody's invited. We're gonna
sit and do a talk around power couples. So you
can come to it and join us. It's going to
be a good night of fellowship. Marriage Monday podcast is
on all your podcast platforms. So we're out here trying
to make sure that people have the proper information and
impartation to have successful families, a successful marriage.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
That's Erica, you got the last words.
Speaker 4 (27:33):
What do you want to say? Thank you?
Speaker 6 (27:36):
I want to say thank you, thank you for your vision,
thank you for having a heart for marriages. And I
mean it is truly our passion and our we believe
it is our ministry. And I'm just grateful to just
I'm humble to be able to be used by God
for that. And we believe in marriage. And the enemy
is coming after marriage like severely. And you got if
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you're on the brink of divorce it don't do it
like get to get to counsel with somebody. It is
not as bad as you think it is. We have
seen some just some rough situations. And how when people
make a decision that we're going to be married, and
they are married and they want to stay married and
they want the best of their marriage, then that's when
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you see such a great thing happen a miracle happened
in their marriage because most of us.
Speaker 4 (28:27):
Don't know how to be married.
Speaker 6 (28:28):
And once you admit that you don't know how to
be married, the information and the knowledge is gonna come.
But you have to first say I don't know what
I'm doing, and it's okay to say I don't know
what I'm doing, and then you'll get the information and
then you'll be able to break generational curses and your
children will definitely have a foundation that is necessary for
them to be who they are called to be.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
Ok.
Speaker 4 (28:50):
Thank you all so much.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
The Glenns
It's Sonya Blakey.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
It's February, the month of Love, and I wanted to
bring back relationship talk Thursday. Now.
Speaker 1 (00:06):
You know, I've done this for many years with Pastor Fort.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
We call him the Love Doctor, and we've also had
Love McPherson, but we switched it up a little bit.
And they are a power couple for real. They have
a book call actually Power Couples. And I'm excited about
this opportunity, excited about this moment. I believe the Lord
was speaking to me when I put the request out.
Pastor Jermone Glenn hey, hey, hey, and Pastor Erica Glenn Hello,
(00:33):
and they serve as executive pastors there at New Life
with Pastor Hannah. Yeah is that correct? And he's okay
with y'all doing this right?
Speaker 3 (00:41):
Yeah? Yeah, this is his prayer.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
This used to be home for Pastor Hannah. So this
is excellent.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
So tell us a little bit about you guys.
Speaker 4 (00:51):
You've been married for this.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
Will be your twentieth year.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Tell us a little bit about your relationship, the dynamic
of who you guys are.
Speaker 5 (00:56):
Yeah, we celebrate twenty years this year in April. So excited.
We have three incredible children Josiah Money and Jonathan. We've
been senior pastors and leaders in the city of Grand
Rapids before we moved Chicago. I'm originally from Chicago. My
wife is originally from Grand She's a retired educator, principal teacher,
(01:18):
who's who of American teachers, Dune Cookman alumni, you know
all the things. She's incredible. Everything's better when she's around. Okay,
So yeah, we love marriages and believe part of our
mission is to you know, He'll restore celebrate black marriages. Yeah,
our marriages are under attack. Yes, but is God's original idea?
Speaker 1 (01:40):
And you have children to a little bit about your faice.
Speaker 6 (01:42):
Yes, So my oldest is twenty four. We are blended family.
So I didn't burn him, but he does have a
little stretch mark over here that is designated just for him.
Our daughter, Monette is a senior this year, so she
will be graduated from high school. And our baby Jonathan
is a freshman.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
He's a freshman.
Speaker 6 (02:00):
And our dog Royalty, she is nine years old.
Speaker 4 (02:02):
Okay, believe me, I know dogs about the family.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
We got to okay, oh my god, they're very much
a part of our family.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
So how did you guys get into marriage ministry because
I think it's really unique. Everybody can't talk to to
couples and two singles.
Speaker 6 (02:18):
So how did you all well get into this? So
I'll start off first. So when we first got together,
I don't think we thought about that this was what
we're going to be doing. But my husband always when
we were engaged, he was just always talking to me
about we have to protect our story, we have to
protect our story.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
Because I was like, you know whatever.
Speaker 6 (02:39):
I was like, let's just go to the fireplace, let's
get married, and let's just call it today. But he
was just very, very intentional about protecting our story. And
then we had a profit that came and let us
know that this is what we would be doing and
that we would speak to this generation.
Speaker 5 (02:53):
So we kind of and we didn't choose that as
much as it chose us, you know, in our calling,
just to say yes, we have come out of broken families,
in the says that we both come out of divorce homes.
We decided that we didn't want that to be a
generational situation for us, very intent adamantly, as you heard,
we were bonus family. I did have my oldest son
in the context of marriage or marriage that did not work.
(03:15):
What I say, or consider to be my greatest failure
is that break up in that situation. But however, in
the recovery, I mean, in an amazing way, we all
get along, my ex wife, my wife, my son, like
it's really strange, but you know, it's great, and then
in that way, but I'm so glad that it's stayed
that way. And so in the process of that, we
(03:36):
learned a lot through mistakes, through failures, through ups and down.
We had some incredible marriage mentors. My wife's grandparents, Bishop
William c Abney and Lady Lobrain Abney was married forty
three years in ministry. We sat, we hung out with
as my wife said, hung out with the old people,
drowed them around, took them to lunch, took them to dinner, chauffeurs,
sat at their house, listened to them, learn from them.
Our current leaders, you know that Pastor and Hannah, they
(03:59):
all so have a great thirty two years of marriage.
Our pastors who live in Omaha, doctor Martin, and Pastor Lnell,
who's been a part of our lives for over a decade.
They have thirty plus years of marriage. So We've been
surrounded around that and so the manto, the mandate just
kind of fell on us in that regard. So we
really are advocates for marriage and for family, and people
(04:20):
make it harder than it has to be. So we
try to lend the wisdom that God has given us
through both our experiences, our mentors and counseling.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
Couples to help people stay out the weeds.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
Yeah, in the right place at the right time, Okay.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
In his Relationship Talk Thursday, we are back with Pastor
Jermone Glenn and Pastor Erica Glenn, married for twenty years
this year. We're going to come back and talk about
their book, Power Couples. We're also going to welcome your calls,
you know, because I know a lot of you all
may have a question that you may have outside of
the topic, and we welcome those as well.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
And they look so cute today, y'all. Yeah, y'all got
to see the video they get on.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
They came in Magine with red hoodies on.
Speaker 4 (04:57):
I'm like, this is low for real?
Speaker 3 (05:02):
He did it to him, shout out to Bach. We
matchine the day.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
All right, We're going to come back on this relationship
Talk Thursday, family.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
It's so de Blakey.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
I'm so happy Relationship Talk Thursday is back and they
are a power couple for real. This is not just
a book they wrote Power Couples. They are a power couple.
I'm here with Pastor Jermone Glenn and Pastor Erica Glenn
Douglenn's you know who are executive pastors there at New Life,
and they also are over the marriage ministry there at
New Life.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
Correct, that's correct.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
And so you have a book called Power Couples. Can
you tell us what this book is about? And it's
what we're going to talk about today.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (05:36):
I think the idea centered around the book is, first
of all, everybody can be should be a power couple,
because it's not just the iconic people you think about
on TV or even just us, but every relationship has
the potential to be a power couple and to use
its power for the advancement of his family dynamic and
usually finding that power is in your differences, believe it
(05:58):
or not. So different says don't have to mean disconnection.
Actually it is the source and the strength of your power.
God created us in Genesis. May equal in dominion, equal
in authority, but we got different roles in different assignments,
and so usually they say opposites attracting the things that
you love, like or attracted about your partner is the
things that's different but yet instilled. When you get into
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conflict or intention or growth point opportunities, differences end up
being disconnection. We don't want differences to be disconnection, but
we want you to learn how to use your differences
as your power.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
Yeah, yeah, that's Erica.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
What would you say, Well, how would you define a
power couple? Because that's that's that's a big word power.
How would you define that?
Speaker 4 (06:40):
I guess I.
Speaker 6 (06:40):
Would define it is that as a husband being just
knowing who you are and being all of that bring
that to the table. And then as a wife being
knowing all that you are and bringing that to the
table and not feeling that you have to downsize yourself
or make yourself small so that your partner can feel strong,
but just bringing all of your power in a sense,
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all of your positive, all of your negative, and just like,
this is our marriage, and this is what we bring
to the table. Because opposites do a track, but people
fail to remember that the very thing that I love
about you could also be the thing that kind of
like hits me the wrong way, and instead of embracing that,
they just want to detach from it or make the
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other person feel a certain kind of way.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
About it that it disappears.
Speaker 6 (07:28):
But if you let them be who they are, and
they're who they need to be, and you look at
that negative thing or whatever it's not rubbing you the
correct way as something that can actually strengthen you, sharpen you,
make you a better person. Then you look at it
differently and you, guys, you realize that we got power.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
Yeah, let's use it. Yeah. It should not be.
Speaker 5 (07:48):
A wife should not marry a man that becomes her
ceiling or rather her catalysts. So it has to be
comfortable in his identity and as strength and his skin,
so that when she to him, it's not her losing
herself and losing higher identity. Her submission should give strength
to you and strength to your union. So you want
to engage her strength as submission. So in her submission,
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she she gets an advocate, she gets more strength or
more power as it relates. So he's not insecure in
her identity.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
So you said the word submit, That word's a little
it's a cuss word, right, you said it right, past
area is a cuss word, you know in a church.
I'm thinking has been also misinterpreting.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
Right.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
So when you say submission, what do you what do you.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
Mean by that? I mean submission in the sense of submission.
Speaker 5 (08:35):
I think that it only becomes a cuss word because
most women feel like they lose their strength when they submit,
exactly when really they should gain strength by submission. It's
not that you can't, it's that you don't have to
now because you have given that leadership, that advantage to
someone else. My wife still know how to pump gas,
but she don't have to now. She still knows how
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to pay bills she necessarily don't have to know. There's
things she still know how to do that in her submission,
she begins an advocate too. Right, it's in our own
relationship with God when we submit to him. It's not
that we lose ourselves if we find ourselves. So I
think ladies fight the word submission first of all because
they feel like they're losing themselves or submitting to someone
who is not going to cover them in the sense
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of giving them strength back as it relates to that.
So submission is God's way. So it's not if you submit,
it's how you submit it who you submit to that
either gives you an advantage or makes you feel like
you're at a disciplined.
Speaker 6 (09:29):
Yeah, because I feel like some women have that word
submission is difficult for them because they feel that the
person that they're submitting to is not the priest. He's
not the protector, he's not the provider. So somebody got
to be this in this relationship, and so how am
I going to submit to someone that's not doing those things?
(09:49):
So I think sometimes when submission is questioned in regards
to a woman, most of the time it has to
be looked back as the husband and the leader, and
what is he bringing to the table. He's stepping up
Because when a woman feels like all of that's taken
care of, I don't have no problem falling back. I
don't have no problem falling back. If you're doing everything
and everything is being taken care of, I don't have
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any problem.
Speaker 4 (10:11):
I had no problem submitting to my husband.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
I was just.
Speaker 4 (10:16):
The only issues right.
Speaker 6 (10:18):
The only issue that I had was because of my
independence and being raised by a single mother, I had
to change my paradigm. But it wasn't because I didn't
want to. It was because I wasn't raised.
Speaker 4 (10:33):
To do that.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
Wow.
Speaker 5 (10:34):
But I think a lot of people have engaged in
relationships where they hadn't quite adequately counted up the costs
to say, hey, if I engage in this marriage, can
I submit? I don't just want your name and your advantages,
but what am I submitting to? If I'm giving If
I'm submitting my authority, my credit score.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
My last name, my bloodline, my.
Speaker 5 (10:56):
Individual traits, my social security, because that's all the things
that when you ask wanted to submit. A man doesn't
have to give over none of that when he gets
married and woman got to go downtown and change all
the paperwork. She has to submit that stuff. So if
I'm submitting, what am I submitting to? So don't get
in the marriage after you said you will, and then
you won't. If you will, then will, but before you will,
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know what you will do and what you're doing before
you do it.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Wow, You'll need y'all need to counsel counsel couples before
they get married, because like, if you go into the marriage,
like I think things gonna be perfect, but.
Speaker 5 (11:31):
You know to get into we do have conversations about
people that are seriously dating and help them understand. You know,
is this the next step you want to take? Because
healthy single people make healthy married people. Whole people make
a whole marriage. It's not two halves that make a
whole marriage. It's not you complete me. That sounds good
on a movie, but the idea is your whole. You're complete,
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your whole, you complete too.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
Whole.
Speaker 5 (11:54):
Complete people individual know who they are with that purpose,
what that passion is, get to together and then they
make this is good.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
That's how you make it back.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
It's relationship Talk Thursday with the Glenns Pastor Jimon Glenn,
pastor Erica Glenn. We're talking about power couples and we
got some questions coming through. Somebody wanted to know about
finding common ground pools.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
Did you have a question for the team.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
My name is James, Thanks so much for having me on.
I had a quick question.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
I had a question about challenges on finding common ground.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
How do you do that?
Speaker 5 (12:27):
I think that that's a great question. I think my
wife stated earlier that it's important to know what you
bring to the table, right, so everybody bring who they
are to the table. All of who they are to
the table, and then if you as simply as write
it down on a piece of paper and then find
where you have matches. These are our strengths, This is
what we both frailed, This is what we both want,
(12:48):
this is what we both believe. We just walked the
couple through this exercise in a conversation we were having
where we asked them to write down what they want
from their marriage and what they were also willing to bring,
but don't share it with each other. Bring it to
the conversation wow, then read it out loud to each
other in the presence of all of us. When they
did that, they found out that they had more things
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in common that they wanted than they had. Then they
were able to hear from themselves that they really were
on separate pages as they thought they were. They both
were after the same things, and once they were able
to see it and hear it, then they can start
working towards.
Speaker 6 (13:26):
Yeah, because I think that exercise is powerful to be
separated because as a couple, you're just you know, you're
always doing everything together, and I think we failed to
realize that. As a quote unquote individual, I am attracted
to this person because of what they bring to the table.
But differences and insecurities and you know, being offended causes
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everything to be foggy versus showing you how things are common.
So that exercise is very very good to do.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
I love that. Thank you so much for all that
answer your question.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
Oh yeah, definitely, thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
All right, thank you family.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
It's a great day talking with the pastor Jermone Glenn
and Pastor Erica Glenn. They are my relationship couple on
this relationship talk Thursday.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
I think this is going to be a long lasted relationship.
I think something is happening in this room.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
And we're talking about their book Power Couples, and we
were talking about submission earlier. You guys can go back
to our Facebook page or Instagram page, whatever and see
what that was all about. But I was saying to Pat,
to Pastor Glenn's, to Pastor Jermon and Pastor Erica, that
I wish that a lot of people were able to
sit in the room with you to talk about the
concept of marriage what it takes, because you could probably
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save a lot of marriages and people who had better
understand what it means to submit, what it means to
be a power couple and you wanted to pick up
from their pastor Jamon, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
It's so good.
Speaker 5 (14:48):
It's like one of the things that we always consider
is that people are attracted to or they date vision,
but they marry values. Right, So they think they're dating vision,
but they're really they think they're marrying vision, but they're
really dating vision and dating values. Because when you're in
the dating phase and you sit down and say, well,
what do you want to do, well, everybody can pay
the big picture. I want to go here, I want
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to do this. I see ourselves. I see, I see,
I see. But if you lean into that person that
you're talking to while they're painting this broad stroke picture
of vision and see how they behave in the value
system and their value structures. Do they manage money, do
they value it? Do they manage time? Do they keep
they word or their person of integrity? You'll see character
traits that will let you know if those value systems
(15:31):
are in place, that will end up inevitably bringing you
into the place of vision. And so while you may
be attracted to someone's vision, don't marry their vision, marry
their values and make sure that you have similar values,
because if you have similar values, then all the conflict
or detention points in a marriage come around values. They
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always late, they don't pay bills on time. It's value stuff,
it's not vision stuff. So the tension is in the values.
And so women often have a struggle point of submission
because when they run into the dream that you sold
me in vision, it's not lining up, bruh, with the.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
Values that you have.
Speaker 5 (16:09):
And so my wife's struggle was never in her desire
to necessarily submit, to submit early on, was because we
had similar values.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
Our purpose match talk about.
Speaker 6 (16:20):
That baby, yes, So it was interesting when I met him.
I'd known him since we had known each other since
we're teenagers. But I was at his apartment and he
was in his office or whatever, you know, so you dating.
So I was like, you know, behind him, you know,
looking around, being nosy, trying to figure out what I
need to know. And I saw on his computer he
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had like a five year vision and a ten year
vision and a three year vision. And then I started
looking at the things that he had bullet points by,
and I was like, I thought I was the only
weird person who thought like this, or I thought that
you know, I didn't think anybody would want a family
meeting and all this other kind of stuff.
Speaker 4 (16:56):
And I felt like I.
Speaker 6 (16:58):
Was in his goals and his vision because they were mine.
So I was not trading my vision or my goals
to be with someone. I was really bringing whatever I
was to the table. He was bringing whoever he was
to the table, and we weren't losing anything because we
wanted the same thing. So it was like all of
the other people that I had dated, I didn't necessarily
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see they have vision, but their values didn't match what
they said that they wanted in their life.
Speaker 4 (17:26):
And I could see this man.
Speaker 6 (17:28):
Wanted these things, and these are the exact same things
that I wanted. And I'm like, oh, I could if
this happened, I could do this. I could lay back
because I know he's going to make certain things happen.
And you know, when we were with my grandparents, you know,
they had been married over fifty years, and my grandfather
and my grandmother would always talk about how Sarah called
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Abraham lord little lord lord, and my grandmother, my grandmother
looked me straight in my face and she said, if
you cannot call him little lord, don't marry him. She said,
because you will emasculate him, and every single opportunity it
is for him to stand up and be a leader.
He will not be the leader because in your head
he's not Lord, not Lord Lord.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
That's Bible.
Speaker 5 (18:16):
The Bible say submit to your husband as unto the Lord's.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
What is exactly what it says.
Speaker 5 (18:22):
And I think a lot of ladies enter into a
relationship without the consideration that could he be my little lord?
Speaker 3 (18:29):
Could he be?
Speaker 5 (18:29):
Could I follow him in that same manner? And I
think a lot of husbands enter into a relationship without
feeling the weight and the responsibility of God is seeing
you in this seat as a.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
Representation of Him.
Speaker 5 (18:42):
It's not a tip for tat, not an if she
does and if I do, and I'll get what I get.
But you have your separate responsibility as into God to
treat your wife and let your wife feel the affirmation
and the revelation of your love. And when she feels
your love, she should feel like God is loving her.
And in the same sense as a wife that when
you're submitted to this man, can you see him in
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the identity that God put him? And when you function
in those matters the way He created because it's God's idea.
Everybody want to redefine God's idea. You can't redefine God's
idea of merit. You just can try to live up
to it and understand it. And when you get engaged
in that matter, then you you unlock your power, the
power and the potential of your purpose of who God
created you to be. So value is really the area
(19:24):
that we got to lean into. More less vision, more value. Yes,
where we're going, but how are we going to get there?
Because the tension is not in the vision. The tension
is in the value.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
I like that.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
No, So okay, so we don't have You can touch
on this when we get back. So is that what
dating is all about? Where you kind of investigating, you're inspecting,
and you know what I'm saying, You try to figure
out just what you find out the value?
Speaker 4 (19:48):
This was what was supposed to happen when you're dating.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
So my wife, I'm gonna let her chuck.
Speaker 5 (19:51):
She cleared her throat because this is her area, because
she has to chime in on this. Because I wasn't
a dater, right, So I got when I got saved,
I didn't date. I wasn't in a pos i wasn't
day and girls, I couldn't do it. I had to,
you know, come to a strict side of my faith
so that I.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
Didn't know how to intertwin.
Speaker 5 (20:06):
So even in our relationship where she said we was
dating or whatever, it's a dig towards me because I
told her we never dated, we were courting. Because I
always engaged her with the intent to be my wife period.
I only saw her that way. I had no energy
around investigating beyond that. My wife is the one that
educated me on what a working definition of dating is
(20:28):
that I could agree with, and you summed it up.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
We can we can We just pause that right there.
We're gonna come back again.
Speaker 4 (20:34):
We're gonna put the people.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
On the anthony s like, okay, what is Pastora say?
Speaker 1 (20:37):
We gonna come back.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
Relationship Talk Thursday Here with Pastor Jamon Glenn and Pastor
Erica Glenn thirteen ninety in his Relationship Talk Thursday, I'm
Sonia here with Pastor Jamon Glenn and his lovely wife,
Pastor Erica Glenn, and we're talking about Power Couples, the
book Power Couples, and we touched on dating just a
little bit earlier. Pastor Erica you have a definition for
(21:00):
dating versus.
Speaker 6 (21:01):
According it is truly gathering information, and it's more information,
and it's more than just what is your favorite color.
It's more than what's your favorite restaurant?
Speaker 4 (21:12):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (21:12):
Like that when they had that whole thing about ain't
nobody gonna take me to Chili's, our first day was
at chili you know what I'm saying, because it was
like we understood that in order for me to know
what I'm in order for me to date you, I
have to know you and I have to see you
in different spaces and places. So for thirty days, we
saw each other every single day, really, so every single day.
(21:37):
As a woman, You're going to see my emotions. You're
gonna see when I'm on my cycle, how I You're
gonna see if I get angry. I want to see
every emotion that's inside of you because I need to
know who you really are and can I deal with
that and the consistency of it all. So exactly one weekend,
(21:57):
these online long distance relationsation ships gotta lean in, gotta
lean into the heavy things, and you gotta you gotta
you want that person to get mad, You want that
person to be angry because you want to see how
they handle different.
Speaker 4 (22:11):
Things in all the seasons.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (22:12):
Yeah, So for me, dating was getting data, and you know.
Speaker 5 (22:17):
We translated that into the context of our marriage. We
have marriage Mondays. It's a whole podcast out there about it.
It's called marriage Monday. It's a thing we do. We
date every May, every Monday. I'm not really a Friday
go out date there. Sundays is the weekend for me.
I'm tired of Saturday. I'm not hanging out Sunday. We
got church all day. But Monday is the down date.
Monday is the day that we carverside in our marriage
(22:40):
to date. Every single Monday. We go, we do something,
we eat, we talk, we discussed, we have a conversation around.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
We have morning worship hallelujah, uh.
Speaker 5 (22:54):
Exactly, we have we have We have intentional engaged time
collected around dating. Our children know, our friends, know our
family know. Our phone rarely rings on a Monday. People
very come barely intrude into our lives because it is
a sanctified, segregated time where we continue into dating even
in our marriage, because there's still things I need to know.
(23:17):
In her definition of collecting, data. There's still seasons. Who
she is now is not who she was. What she
wanted then is not what she want now. What I
wanted then is not what I want now. She's evolving,
I'm evolving. Who are you today? What do you desire
this week? What do you want in this season? I'm
dating you. I'm not going to do it to get you,
and then once I got you and don't put an
investment into so I block it. On the calendar. I'm
(23:39):
a person of time. I'm a personal calendar. Meet is
our important a schedule that I put on my calendar,
My day, my marriage, Monday is on my calendar because
it is a high, high priority for me. We have
family days, that is our Wednesday is our family day
where we have intention. We sit around the table, eat
dinner on Wednesdays and on Sundays. Today we can't do
it all the time, but on Wednesdays, my family know
(24:00):
we're eating dinner together on Sundays after church. This is
a lot of structure because it's the same things. Well,
because because whatever is the same things, that.
Speaker 6 (24:09):
The same thing that I saw on his paper, it's
the same thing that's happening in our lives now.
Speaker 5 (24:14):
But if you don't make your priorities and create them,
people will create them for you, and then your marriage
will become secondary, and then you wonder why it's not flourishing.
It has no power because you haven't made it a priority.
Anything that's important, you have to make it a priority.
If you don't protect it as a priority, people will
chew up your time. They'll tell you, Oh, you don't
have nothing to do on Monday, I got you.
Speaker 3 (24:34):
Do this, do this.
Speaker 5 (24:34):
You don't have none to do. On Wednesday, come here,
you don't have anything to do. On Sunday, Come eat
with us, Come eat with us. But our our times
that we protect our sacred around what our priorities are
because we're intentionally building a family. My wife always say,
this is our children's only childhood. Let's make it a
good one. Let's try to minimize Yeah, we had ours.
Let's try to minimize the trauma that they're going to
(24:55):
have to deal Let's try to minimize the healing they're
going to have to deal with.
Speaker 3 (24:58):
We're responsible for career in.
Speaker 5 (25:00):
That framework, and so we date, even in our marriage
and even with our family, our children, our family, we
intentionally involve them into the process.
Speaker 6 (25:10):
And I think people have to also realize that whatever
you feed gets larger. So it's like, if you feed
your marriage, it's going to get stronger if you if
you if you don't feed it, it's going to get weaker.
If you feed your children, your relationship with your children
is going to get stronger. So whatever you want to
see increased, you need to feed it. And whatever you
want to see not increase, stop feeding it. Like you
(25:33):
know you you you single, you're trying to be celebate, Well,
stop feeding you, stop feeding sex, stop stop sleeping, stop
sleeping around, stop stop feeding it.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
Right, all right, there's a whole another segment right there.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
Well, well, but it's the same segment.
Speaker 5 (25:49):
Because broken single people create broken marriages. Healed single people
create heal healthy marriages. So it does. The work in
marriage doesn't begin when you get married. The work in
marriage begins while you are single. You increase your value
while you're single, and whole, whole plus whole equal hole,
(26:10):
two whole people come together, make a whole person and
make a whole marriage.
Speaker 3 (26:15):
That's how power is happening.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
All right, Yeah, this has been a great first show
with y'all. We can keep on talking, but we're gonna
have to. We're gonna come back next Thursday. This is
not over, y'all. Relationship Talk Thursday is happening with the
pastor Jermoon Glenn and Pastor Erica Glenn. Now, if folks
want to get your book, orf, they want to follow out,
you know, follow up with you guys about this conversation.
Speaker 4 (26:37):
What's the best way to do that.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
It's all on my website. J E R m o
n E.
Speaker 5 (26:40):
Yourmone not Jerome Jermome Glenn j R m o n
E Glenn at dot com. All the website, the shirts
we got on everything, it's all there.
Speaker 3 (26:50):
We wrote.
Speaker 5 (26:50):
I've been able to write over twenty books. Four of
them I wrote with my wife, their relationship books. Power
Couples is the latest one. We're about to take it
on a little mini tour and in certain cities, and
so it's good to share it with you. Use your strengths,
use your differences, not as disconnection, but use it as
a power. And that new life on the fourth, the
fourth weekend in February, actually we got a marriage thing
(27:13):
that's happening in that new life. Everybody's invited. We're gonna
sit and do a talk around power couples. So you
can come to it and join us. It's going to
be a good night of fellowship. Marriage Monday podcast is
on all your podcast platforms. So we're out here trying
to make sure that people have the proper information and
impartation to have successful families, a successful marriage.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
That's Erica, you got the last words.
Speaker 4 (27:33):
What do you want to say? Thank you?
Speaker 6 (27:36):
I want to say thank you, thank you for your vision,
thank you for having a heart for marriages. And I
mean it is truly our passion and our we believe
it is our ministry. And I'm just grateful to just
I'm humble to be able to be used by God
for that. And we believe in marriage. And the enemy
is coming after marriage like severely. And you got if
(28:00):
you're on the brink of divorce it don't do it
like get to get to counsel with somebody. It is
not as bad as you think it is. We have
seen some just some rough situations. And how when people
make a decision that we're going to be married, and
they are married and they want to stay married and
they want the best of their marriage, then that's when
(28:21):
you see such a great thing happen a miracle happened
in their marriage because most of us.
Speaker 4 (28:27):
Don't know how to be married.
Speaker 6 (28:28):
And once you admit that you don't know how to
be married, the information and the knowledge is gonna come.
But you have to first say I don't know what
I'm doing, and it's okay to say I don't know
what I'm doing, and then you'll get the information and
then you'll be able to break generational curses and your
children will definitely have a foundation that is necessary for
them to be who they are called to be.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
Ok.
Speaker 4 (28:50):
Thank you all so much.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
The Glenns
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