October 10, 2024 • 62 mins
What if your Halloween film lineup could leave you questioning the very fabric of reality? Join me, Kyle McMahon, in a chilling conversation with the stars of "Caddo Lake," Dylan O'Brien and Eliza Scanlen, as we unravel the enigmatic story of mysterious disappearances and the horror series Teacup.
Experience the gripping universe of "Teacup," the mesmerizing & terrifying horror series on Peacock. Listen to creator Ian McCulloch, and stars Yvonne Strahovski, and Scott Speedman as they share how they brought this complex story from page to screen. With James Wan's influence, the series blends family dynamics with horror elements to create an intricate narrative that captivates viewers. Actors Chaske Spencer and Rob Morgan further enrich our discussion by sharing how isolation and societal themes resonate through their characters, offering a fresh take on genre storytelling.
Then, supported by legendary producer M. Night Shyamalan and crafted by the visionary filmmakers Celine Held and Logan George, Caddo Lake, a MAX exclusive film, is a spellbinding journey into suspense that you won't want to miss this spooky season.
Finally, we venture into the creative depths of "Caddo Lake's" production journey, uncovering how a photograph transformed into a compelling narrative, enriched by M. Night Shyamalan's support. Eliza Scanlen gives us a glimpse into her experience navigating this haunting story, and Dylan O'Brien returns to reflect on the challenges and emotional layers that define his role in the film. This episode is packed with thrilling insights and behind-the-scenes stories that will keep every horror and suspense fan on the edge of their seat.
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Experience the gripping universe of "Teacup," the mesmerizing & terrifying horror series on Peacock. Listen to creator Ian McCulloch, and stars Yvonne Strahovski, and Scott Speedman as they share how they brought this complex story from page to screen. With James Wan's influence, the series blends family dynamics with horror elements to create an intricate narrative that captivates viewers. Actors Chaske Spencer and Rob Morgan further enrich our discussion by sharing how isolation and societal themes resonate through their characters, offering a fresh take on genre storytelling.
Then, supported by legendary producer M. Night Shyamalan and crafted by the visionary filmmakers Celine Held and Logan George, Caddo Lake, a MAX exclusive film, is a spellbinding journey into suspense that you won't want to miss this spooky season.
Finally, we venture into the creative depths of "Caddo Lake's" production journey, uncovering how a photograph transformed into a compelling narrative, enriched by M. Night Shyamalan's support. Eliza Scanlen gives us a glimpse into her experience navigating this haunting story, and Dylan O'Brien returns to reflect on the challenges and emotional layers that define his role in the film. This episode is packed with thrilling insights and behind-the-scenes stories that will keep every horror and suspense fan on the edge of their seat.
Kyle McMahon's Death, Grief & Other Sh*t We Don't Discuss is now streaming: https://www.deathandgrief.show/Chapter-One-The-Diagnosis-AKA-WTF/
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
In this episode of pop Culture Weekly, I talk with
the stars of Kaddo Lake, including Dylan O'Brien who returns
and Eliza Scalen, and I talked to the cast of
Tea Coop, the Really Creepy series on Peacock Right Now,
Scott Speedman, Von Strowski and more.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Let's go Welcome to pop Culture Weekly with Kyle McMahon
from my Heart Radio your pop culture news, views, reviews
and celebrity interviews on all the movies, TV, music and
pomp culture u CRABE Weekly. Here's Kyle McMahon.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
Nett no no, no net, Hello, and welcome to pop
Culture Weekly with Kyle McMahon.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
It's an October episode, and you.
Speaker 4 (00:45):
Know that I love Halloween, I love spooky season, I
love horror, so this is a great episode for all
of you fellow you know, spooky horror lovers. Talk with
the cast of Kato Lake, which is a HBO Max
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film written and directed by Selene Held and Logan George
who I speak with, and it stars Dylan O'Brien, Eliza Scanlin,
Eric Lang, Lauren Ambrose and guests.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Who serves as producer of that.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
Film, m Knight, Shyamalin himself and you know I love
m Knight and this film is really amazing. It is
available right now on Max. Kato Lake is about a
eight year old girl who disappears on Kado Lake, which
is a real place, and then a series of past
(01:45):
deaths and mysterious disappearances I'll begin to link together. It
is extremely great. I really really loved it. Very spooky,
twisty thriller. I really highly recommend you watch it. It
is well well well well worth your time, especially at
(02:08):
spooky season. It doesn't have to be because it's you know,
a great thriller, but it's perfect for spooky season. So
uh so I speak with the filmmakers Selene Held and
Logan George as well as Dylan O'Brien returns once again.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
We talk about the film and Eliza.
Speaker 4 (02:25):
Scanlin and also Tea Cup, which is this incredible horror
series on Peacock produced by Ian McCulloch and James Wand
you know I love James Wand and it stars Yvon Strowsky,
who you may know is the Emmy multi Emmy nominated
(02:47):
actor from such series as The Handmaid's Tale and Chuck
and Dexter and twenty four and Scott Speedman, who I
love Scott. He kind of became big with Felicity, the
series Felicity and then played Michael Corvin in the Underworld
film franchise. He's been in Triple X, State of the Union,
(03:09):
The Strangers, which is one of my favorite scary movies ever.
And for Grey's Anatomy fans, doctor Nick Marsh who he
has played on and off for a long time. So
he joins me as well. So let's get right into
this all spooky episode of Pop Culture Weekly. We are
(03:29):
going to start off with the cast and filmmakers behind Teacup.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
So let's talk to.
Speaker 4 (03:36):
Ian McCulloch, who is executive producer and writer as he
gives us some insight into how he took Teacup from
a beloved book to a series.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
Let's speak with him Ian McCulloch.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
First of all, thank you Ian for speaking with me.
I really appreciate it.
Speaker 5 (03:54):
Oh sure, nice to meet you.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Nice to meet you. So, first of all, congratulations on Teacup.
I absolutely love it. I'm a huge genre fan and
this does an amazing job of not only being great
genre work, but it's very layered and you know, there's
it's a great drama, there's family stuff going on. You know,
it's so layered, and I really appreciate that as a
(04:16):
as a fan.
Speaker 6 (04:17):
So thank you, well, thank you.
Speaker 5 (04:19):
That's that's really good to hear.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
So tell me about why, you know, why you were
attracted to this project and and and also taking it
from a book but not you kind of took the
essence of the book and and kind of did it
did did it your own way? What was that important
to you? And why did you Why was it important
(04:44):
for you to do this project and why did you
decide to do it in the way you did.
Speaker 5 (04:48):
Uh. Well, James Wallan's company came to me with the
book and they said, here's a book. We're looking for
somebody to adapt it. Would you give it a read?
And I read it and I thought, well, I don't
want to do this page for page, character for character adaptation.
But if I flip this thing on its head, that
(05:09):
becomes interesting to me because the book still exists. If
you want to go read the book, go read the book.
It's a really good book. But the series is its
own thing. And you said it perfectly, it's the essence
of the book and nothing more. And I thought, what
if you take away all the bells and whistles. What
if you take away the town, you take away all
(05:31):
the characters, take away the set pieces, the big crazy
stuff that happens in the book, and you just deal
with the ground level. And I use this in quotations
reality of a family dealing with what happens in the book.
And to me, that opened all the doors for me.
(05:54):
It's the way to make it a long form narrative
where you're invested in these characters and you see where
they go. Because you're with this family at all times,
you're at ground level with them experiencing this, and in
that way, the audience experiences it with them, and that
to me was really exciting. Now there's two things. One,
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James One and his company needed to feel the same way,
and two, more importantly, Robert McCammon needed to feel the
same way. And I, instead of asking for permission, I
asked for forgiveness. I went and wrote a script which
is basically the episode. One showed it to Atomic Monster
(06:39):
in James and they said, fantastic, we love it. And
then we showed it to Robert McCammon and he said,
oh wow, this is really cool. This is different and
he got on board, and those are the two voices
that I needed to hear say yes before I could
really invest, and we went from there.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
Was there any nervousness in because it you know, I
would say a lot of times in this industry, you know,
there's a lot of studio meddling, you know, where you
don't want to stray from the norm and you want
to go with something that's always worked. So there, you know,
there is a bit of a risk in that. Was
there any nervousness on your part, especially going to demand
(07:22):
that wrote the book, where you'd like, here's what it
is and here's my vision for it.
Speaker 5 (07:29):
Uh, there wasn't nervousness. I was excited about it, and
I think that's and I was sure that as sure
as I've ever been that it that it was the
that it would work, not that it was the right
thing to do, but that it would work. And I
think going into something go whether it's going to James
or McCammon, or to UCP or to Peacock. If you
(07:52):
go in and you say this is the thing, you
want to get on board this thing because it's really cool,
then if they don't, then it's not for them. It's
not that it's bad. It's not that it's but if
you believe in it, it's gonna show. And that you know,
there's a thousand reasons why they say no in this business,
and I've been told no a thousand times, so maybe
(08:15):
that's part of it as well. But I'm not nervous
because the worst thing is they say no and they
go home and have a sandwich, or they make it
and I tell somebody else to get me a sandwich.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Right, I love that. And finally, just in the spirit
of Teacup, you know, so often there's so much amazing
genre work that's overlooked. What is one of your favorite pieces,
whether you know a long form or a film that
you feel is overlooked.
Speaker 5 (08:49):
Oh man, I have the perfect example, but I can't
remember what it's called. It's overlooked. Shoot, what is it called.
It's so good. I can't think of it. Really hard
because I know it, but I don't remember what it's called.
It's like three times something song I don't remember. I
don't remember. There's so many though, there's a I don't know. Jeez,
(09:13):
that's a hard question. Shit, it's gonna be my first failure.
In interviews today, I don't remember what it's called. All right,
remember it like in five minutes exactly.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
There you go.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
Thank you. That's all right, Ian, thank you so much.
Speaker 6 (09:31):
I really appreciate speaking with you.
Speaker 5 (09:33):
All right, good talking to you.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
Ian mccullag. I love what he's done with Peacock.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
It is a really great horror, like legit terrifying series.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
It's so good. As a horror fan, you should watch it.
Speaker 4 (09:49):
If you're looking for something spooky, just for the Halloween
spooky season, you should watch it. Jump right in, all right,
Next up Chosky and Sir and Rob Morgan. Chowsky gained
prominence as Sam Yuley in the Twilight films. He's also
(10:11):
nominated for a British Academy Television Award for the BBC
and Prime Video series The English. He's also been in Banshee,
Sneaky Pete, and blind Spot, among many many others. Rob
Morgan is known I love, I mean, all of his work,
but you know, he's probably best known for his role
(10:32):
as Turk Barrett in the Marvel Netflix series.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
You know, I'm a huge mcu fan, Marvel Studios.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
Fan, but he played Turk and daredevil Luke Cage, The Punisher,
Jessica Jones, The Defenders, Iron.
Speaker 4 (10:49):
Fist, and I loved every second of it. He also
played Hap Jackson and mud Bound Officer Powell of course
in Stranger Things, and he is joining us with Chosky.
So let's jump right into it. My conversation, my conversate,
my conversation with Rob Morgan and Chosky Spencer.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
Thank you both for speaking with me. Thank you for
having us Kyle of course. So, first of all, I
love a teacup. It is so I'm a huge genre fan,
but I think this is interesting because it works on
many layers, not just as you know genre work, but uh,
it's you know, there's drama and family and all kinds
(11:36):
of things. So I wondered if for both of you
that was also something that drew you to it. But
you know, as as an actor.
Speaker 7 (11:45):
Oh man, it's special to get material like this where
you actually get such quality writing with such in depth
characters that you can download and play without having to
figure it out so much on your own, but actually
like just taking the tip in front of you and
just really living it as honestly as possible. And it
was a treat to have that.
Speaker 8 (12:05):
Yeah, it makes our job easier to do what we
do if the writing spot.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
On And had either of you read you know, I
know it's inspired by the book, but had had either
of you read the book before you took on the role,
or I read a little bit of it, But then
I found out that it what Ian did was take
the essence of the book and create something on his own.
Speaker 6 (12:30):
So I just kind of put the book away and
just right to the source.
Speaker 7 (12:33):
And when I realized that they were doing something unique
and special of their own that was like inspired by
the book but not totally going by the book verbatim,
I just trusted in the scripts in my own research
and went with that. So I didn't read the book,
but I read the scripts.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
Gotcha. And both of you have been involved in uh
in you know, the Marvel universe for instance, and you
know all kinds of work all over in all kinds
of spaces in entertainment, film, content, television. What drew you
to Teacup?
Speaker 6 (13:13):
It was Ian? It was I, yeah, writing all that.
Speaker 7 (13:17):
Yeah, Ian, the opportunity to work with Peacock and seeing
un much they've been investing in quality shows, and then
with James wand name at the top of it, knowing
his his resume and success, it just felt like a
dream come true for an actor that really, you know,
put in hard work and time to get to this
kind of material.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
M and for you, you know, I was talking to Scott
and Yvonne and it popped up regarding isolation and how
we've all kind of lived in isolation for at least
a short period a few years ago. Has that affected
you as an actor when you're doing something, you know,
(13:57):
in a script like this, you know, series like this,
where so much of it is based around isolation and
that sort of thing, and we're kind of at a
unique place in history where you know, there's not many
points in history where you can say we were all
kind of isolated, but then you have this series that
(14:17):
comes along that is is very much isolation is very
much a part of the story. Does that affect you?
You know, has that affected you? Are you like, yeah,
now I had had that on my resume, so I
can you know or are you able to just it's
in the script and so I'm gonna do that.
Speaker 6 (14:39):
I'm still isolated, I'm still living in isolation.
Speaker 8 (14:43):
So it doesn't change for me, but it does, you know,
things like that do it does help, Like actors, I
think anything you give us we can absorb because we
take it and do what we can with it. So
it's just an added character.
Speaker 7 (14:57):
The experience, you know, we bring the experience to the work,
just the directors to like, you know, keep us in
line with the tonality that we're trying to execute here.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
I love that And for either of you. Finally, what what?
Speaker 9 (15:11):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (15:12):
You know, we're talking about genre genre work, and I
feel as a horror fan, I feel personally I'm a
film buff obviously, but I love horror in particular. I
often feel that there's some great work that's overlooked, uh,
just because you know, especially with so many critics and stuff,
(15:32):
it kind of gets snubbed sometimes and there's sometimes this
feeling of or this air of you know, like or
superior over that genre or something, which I think is
a mistake. You know, there's incredible work like Teacup that
is very much in the genre vein, but but it
(15:55):
is also so much deeper than you know, a typical
slasher or whatever. What if you could pick one of
kind of those underlooked genre films for both of you,
Rob and Shaske, What what would you what would that
be for you?
Speaker 7 (16:14):
Overlook genre film? Can I go back to the eighties
for Beach Street?
Speaker 1 (16:19):
Mmmm? Okay, yeah, you know.
Speaker 7 (16:23):
I think that was overlooked because from where I was
at my life and time, that was such a true
depiction of culture that I really related to. But I
seemed like I was the only one that liked it.
You know, it didn't get no nomination, no nothing, but
for me and my crowd, it was like the Bible
at the time, you know what I mean.
Speaker 6 (16:43):
Beach Street that I remember that.
Speaker 8 (16:46):
Yeah, yeah, genre, I would say, I like New R
Like I'm a big fan of like black and white
New R.
Speaker 6 (16:55):
I like stuff like that. I liked The Third.
Speaker 8 (16:58):
Man, Okay, and I know it's famous, but most people
don't unless your film buff, don't really know about that movie.
Speaker 6 (17:05):
So I'm I'm a big fan of that type of genre.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
Awesome. I love that. Thank you both so much for
speaking with me. I can't wait for everybody to see
Teacup so I can talk about it.
Speaker 6 (17:17):
Thank you, Thank you for having me man.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
Thanks have a great day. Rob Morgan and Showsky Spencer
love those guys. Love their roles in Teacup, which again
exclusively on Peacock.
Speaker 4 (17:30):
It is so good. You gotta watch it. It's really terrifying.
It's like it's you know, how often do we get
a really actually scary TV series? This is one of them.
So check it out, all right. Next up, we talk
with the two main stars themselves, Scott Speedman and Yvonne Strowsky.
I talked about them a little bit more at the
(17:51):
top of the show, but let's just jump right into
it right now here. They are Scott Speedman and Yvonne strav.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
First of all, thank you both so much for speaking
with me. I really appreciate it.
Speaker 10 (18:04):
Thanks for having us.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
Of course. So tell me a little bit. You know,
both of you have done such varied roles, and you've
both had some horror in your you know, in your filmography.
Why is it something that you know, something like teacup
that Why is that something a genre that you'd like
to go back to.
Speaker 11 (18:29):
I don't know if I think of it as a
genre that I like to go back to. It's more
it's more, I mean, every project is, you know, in
case by case really, so it's it depends on the script,
it depends on the people involved, it depends on how
much fun or challenge I'm going to have as an
(18:49):
actor on it, And I think this one ticked all
the boxes pretty much for me. I mean, it was
a great piece of writing. Ian is such a lovely
human being, and as a first time a showrunner, was
just super thoughtful and how he wanted to approach this.
And I think that's what attracted me to the project,
is not that we had a showrunner who wanted to
make some kind of a classic horror with all the
(19:11):
gore and the thrill. He wanted to make a horror
with an amazingly grounded foundation of relationships and family and
stuff that I think audiences can truly relate to, which
sort of elevates the piece in a way that we
(19:31):
might not often see.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
So yeah, okay, how.
Speaker 12 (19:36):
About for you, Scott, Yeah, I mean somewhat of a
similar answer. It's not like I'm digging and searching and
asking a representation find me the next horror thing or
something in the genre space. I mean these scripts came
along when they did, and I knew Evian's work from
other things, and I was kind of really excited to
(19:56):
see what he was going to do with something in
this space because his work previously he wasn't. That's not
really what floats his boat. So when I got the scripts,
I was really excited. He nailed the world really well
and the family really well, and the whole the idea
of this family isolated on this farm in Georgia. I
thought the drama of that whole situation alone was like
(20:16):
really interesting and I thought, really going to be watchable
for an audience. So when they started to add in
the genre elements and I knew James Wand's company was gonna,
you know, be behind the scenes with us here, I thought, Wow,
this really could have something special going on.
Speaker 5 (20:30):
But I mean it was. It was, honestly, man.
Speaker 12 (20:33):
There were just there were good scripts, you know, there
were good scripts that came along, and you just you're
always searching for stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
I love that. And you know, part of the reason
that I love Teacup is that, you know, I think
at a very human level, isolation is a scary thing
for many of us were you know, social creatures, and
that that alone is is scary for so many people,
you know, and of course we've all recently collectively went
(21:03):
through a very isolating, you know event that that I think,
you know, tends to be on the back of our
minds today now, and then you take that and then
you have this great script on top of it with
you know, it's really I love that there's drama. You know,
it's not just a slasher or it's not just a
(21:26):
straight up horror you know series, it's a it is
very layered and so you know, so speaking to that
we have, you know, we are four years out from
a worldwide pandemic the beginnings of it. Does that change
you as an actor? You know, now that you've kind
(21:49):
of had this isolating experience and now you're playing characters
that are forced to be isolated. I feel like almost
if I was an actor, Like it's almost like I
have real life experience now with that, you know what
I'm saying. Has that changed either of you?
Speaker 12 (22:07):
I mean, for me, I think that whole situation changed
all of us. So yes, collectively, of course, And I
think we all have a different understanding of when something
strange starts to happen, and you know, then you include
your neighbors and your other the other parts of the
town you're in and all that sort of stuff. I
think collectively we just sort of subconsciously understand that and
I think that's where some of the dread of this
(22:27):
show comes in. And I think we all look at
shows like this where you're not sure of what's happening
to you, to your family, to the next family over
to that family over there, to your neighbors.
Speaker 5 (22:37):
So we all have.
Speaker 12 (22:39):
An eerie, unsettled feeling around all that that when we
start to watch our show, you can't not help but
feel some shared subconscious thing that's going on for the viewers.
So yeah, I mean on that level, but not something
overt that. Like I read these scripts and I was like, oh, well,
I know this now because of COVID or something right right,
something a little more subtle, but yeah, it's in there
(23:00):
for sure.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
How about for you, Bun, I don't know.
Speaker 11 (23:05):
I you know, I, as a Scott was spoking. I
just sort of thought, you know, to add to that,
it's interesting also to see how individuals, how dynamics play
out in that circumstance, and certainly in real life and
a pandemic, we had a lot of different opinions about
how things should be or what was real what wasn't
(23:27):
a lot of it political, so it's interesting to sort
of bring it right down to this like microcosm and
have and and and have characters that were sort of
representative of that greater world that we all lived in.
So yeah, that that's sort of what comes to mind
when when we're talking about this.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
And finally James want you know, I'm a huge fan
of his uh and and this you know, this is
obviously based on a novel. Had had I either of
you knew of the novel beforehand or did you read
it in preparation for filming tea Cup?
Speaker 5 (24:10):
Oh?
Speaker 11 (24:10):
Sorry, no, I mean given that Ian, you know, Dean
has always said this was the novel was an inspirational piece,
but that a lot of it became different in how
he had approached the show, and he kind of did
that from the get go. So I didn't really feel
it necessary to read it. Otherwise I probably would have.
(24:31):
I usually would read something like that, but this might
be the first time that I hadn't.
Speaker 12 (24:36):
Yeah awesome, Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean I didn't read
it either. He was like, he, I think that book
is like a huge book. It's like this huge story
that involves the whole town and you know, like many many,
many many characters, and he wanted to do a very
much smaller story version of that, which I thought was
(24:57):
a smart place to at least start the show.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
Se Yeah, well I love it. I can't wait for
everybody to see it. Thank you, Yvonna and Scott. Teacup
coming very very soon. Thank you, thank you, thank you,
Yvon Strowsky and Scott speed Me. They are so good
in Teacup and Teacup is so good. You've got to
(25:21):
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Speaker 4 (26:01):
Next up, we're going to take a break real quick,
and then we're going to come back and talk to
the filmmakers and the cast and crew. Talk to the
filmmakers and Dylan O'Brien and Eliza Scanlon all about their
film Kado Lake be right back in sixty all right,
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Speaker 3 (26:38):
Kato Lake. We talked about that at We talked about
it at the top of the show.
Speaker 4 (26:42):
But it's a film exclusively on Max, produced by the
amazing m Night Shy Malin, directed and written by Selene
Held and Logan George, who are incredible, incredible filmmakers and
stars Dylan O'Brien, Eliza Scanlon, and Lauren Ambrose who Lauren
has been on the show a million times for Servant,
(27:04):
the m Night series, one of my favorite series of
all time from Apple TV. Another incredible spooky series that
you need to watch.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
But let's get right into it.
Speaker 4 (27:16):
Let's talk with the filmmakers first, Selene Held and Logan George.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
First of all, thank you both so much for joining
me or really appreciate it.
Speaker 13 (27:25):
Yeah, thanks thanks for you.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
Of course, nice meeting you. So, first of all, how
did this project come to be? I heard and you
can clear that if needed, but I heard that it
came about from a photograph that you came upon from
the actual Lake.
Speaker 3 (27:42):
Is that accurate?
Speaker 13 (27:44):
Read it from Reddit of the Lake, on Reddit.
Speaker 14 (27:50):
On earthporn so red earthporn, Yeah, no, sawas photo is
May and we were just really like, what are we
going to do? Our first feature, south By Southwest had
been canceled, our first feature so hadn't seen the light
of day yet, and we felt very stuck. We also
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were in this place of not being able to see
our family and kind of this question a very covidy
question maybe in retrospect, but like we were really curious
in thinking about our parents, especially in like.
Speaker 13 (28:25):
Who they were before we were born.
Speaker 15 (28:28):
My mom had passed away in twenty nineteen, and Queen
was talking about these conversations that she had with her
and was bringing up these memories that she had spoken
to Selene about and I was like, I've never heard this,
like like it doesn't even sound like my mom. And
so I sort of prompted this question of like, how
well do you really know your parents before you had
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this whole life, before you know they gave birth to you.
Speaker 14 (28:52):
And yeah, so we grabbed my mom, We borrowed my
mom's car so my parents weren't stuck in the house,
and we drove down to Caddo from Brooklyn and it
did not disappoint. It was three million times more magical
than that photo could have ever presented itself to us.
And we met these incredible people and spent a few
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months living off the lake writing that first draft that
was a mess, and then kind of came back to
Brooklyn and got a big whiteboard and charted out another
draft too.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
I love that logan.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
I I'm so sorry for your loss. I lost my
mom three years ago and my life has not been
the same since. And uh, but I wonder how that
you know, I know for me when I when my
mom passed, she passed from pancratic cancer.
Speaker 3 (29:48):
I had to.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
Do something with it. And it seems similarly as you know, creators,
that's it seems like it's kind.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
Of what we do.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
So I called the uh, the president of iHeart, and said,
I have this idea for a show called death, Grief
and other shit we don't discuss. And I'm going to
travel around the country and find out everything that I
can about the process of death and dying in the afterlife,
and you know all of it and and you guys
are gonna pay for it, and so so I did.
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But it seems similarly from watching the film and talking
to both of you that that those things have kind
of greatly influenced what you ended up with, would you agree.
Speaker 15 (30:29):
Oh yeah, well it's just like you're saying, it just
changes you, uh, you know, forever, So it can't help
but start to like be infused into your art and
what you write. We definitely wanted to make something that
was like propulsive and wrapped in this genre thriller that
had like a ton of energy and was ultimately very
very entertaining. But yeah, like you know, the core emotionally
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comes from, you know, something that happens very early on
in the film to Paris played by Dylan and and
sort of everything is a ripple from this event that
happens to him. So yeah, it was something that sort
of I think was always there in the first draft
that we mentioned. It was a female character who had
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lost her mom, and kind of the big unlock coming
back to Brooklyn for us was this idea of like
what if this is actually two protagonists and that sort
of like unlocked this whole new puzzle box that we
could weave together and was really like the guiding light
of getting the scripture where it was. That made it
like really good and fresh.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
So yeah, and then you know, so now you have
this draft, you're back in Brooklyn, you you're you know,
kind of refining it.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
What happens from there, what happens.
Speaker 14 (31:47):
From there, what happened from there.
Speaker 15 (31:52):
I was just going to say that it was a
very hard script to kind of iterate and rewrite because
you're you're so locked in the way that everything sort
of loops back and feeds one another every scene. It
was it was, you know, trickier than most sort of
like straight storylines to rewrite. I remember that just being
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very challenging because it's like, oh, if we want to
change this thing, then you have to change these six
things that you haven't been ending anymore. It's like, really
really tough.
Speaker 13 (32:21):
But we shared.
Speaker 14 (32:23):
We we were directing for Servant that following January February
for Knight's TV show, and Night just said.
Speaker 13 (32:32):
Oh, if you ever have a feature, and we were like, oh.
Speaker 15 (32:34):
We do.
Speaker 14 (32:36):
Gave him this s feature that we had and he
called us in the next weekend and he said, I'm
financing this.
Speaker 13 (32:42):
He was the first person to read it.
Speaker 14 (32:45):
It was it was it was really surreal, and he
didn't We didn't spend a lot of time on the
iteration process in pre production, which I think, and then
in the post production process we spent a lot more
time like reworking, And part of me is like what
would have happened? But like Logan said, it all would
have fallen apart. It took actually being there. Eliza Dillon
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had a lot to do with, like who their characters became,
like every life of a project. The life of a
project is in three parts and you have to respect
each piece. So like that production part is so different
than you know that you can write the best script ever,
everything changes during production, so to write a movie that
was ultimately so complicated, everything changed anyway anyway, So what
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happened was the project is I don't know, it works somehow,
maybe like some duct tape and super glow, but like
it works.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
I love it and I love the film and I
love night He and Servant is one of my favorite
shows ever. I covered, Yeah, I covered it every season.
I talked with the cast and night and then came
out to the series finale thing in New York and
did all that is It's one of one of my
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top two three favorite shows ever and I can never
figure out which one is number one or two or three.
Speaker 3 (34:06):
But but what.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
Do you hope for for you know, once this this
is out there in the world, what do you what
are your wishes for it as the as you have given.
Speaker 3 (34:17):
Birth to it.
Speaker 14 (34:20):
I hope people watch it and want to I want
to get in touch with family, watch it and want
to like call their mom.
Speaker 13 (34:28):
That would mean a lot to me. Yeah, I hope it.
Speaker 14 (34:34):
Yeah, I hope that it can be something that's like
when you rewatch it, that you'll keep seeing these pieces
that we really carefully put into the beginning.
Speaker 13 (34:46):
Yeah, that you that you wouldn't recognize first watch.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 15 (34:49):
Well, it's just that like some of these relationships we
have in our family are so delicate but like so
strong at the same time and.
Speaker 5 (34:58):
Sort of like just really.
Speaker 15 (35:01):
Appreciating that, like Selene saying, like just like you know,
hugging your mom or your dad or just your brother,
like just like that one second longer.
Speaker 13 (35:10):
Well you chosen family.
Speaker 14 (35:11):
I mean, yeah, I think Ellie at the beginning, you know,
and it's even in the trailer her saying, I'm not
really to telling these people obviously you know now spoilers,
but but yeah, there's there's something, there's something there and
like we we have our family, we also have our
chosen family. We have these people that we choose to
go through life with and making sure that they are,
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you know, totally aware how much they mean to us.
Speaker 3 (35:37):
I love that.
Speaker 1 (35:37):
I can't wait for everybody to see the film exclusively
on Max. Selene and Logan, Thank you very much for
speaking with me.
Speaker 13 (35:46):
Can't wait to check out your podcast.
Speaker 3 (35:48):
Thank you, I appreciate it. Take care.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
Selene out and Logan zors incredibly talented creatives.
Speaker 3 (35:59):
I love them.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
I love their work with Topside and now Kato Lake,
and I can't wait to see what they do next.
All right, We're gonna speak next with Eliza Scanlin.
Speaker 3 (36:12):
She is incredible.
Speaker 4 (36:14):
She kind of broke out in the Australian soap opera
called Home and Away, then in the US and really
then the rest of the world.
Speaker 3 (36:23):
She broke through as a troubled.
Speaker 4 (36:25):
Teenager in the HBO miniseries called Sharp Objects with Amy Adams.
Speaker 3 (36:31):
She played Beth March in Little Women.
Speaker 1 (36:34):
From twenty nineteen, she played fifteen year old Kara and
m knights Old, who was in the incredibly powerful film
The Starling Girl. She played Eleanor Roosevelt in the First
Lady and now she plays Ellie in Kado Lake. Let's
jump right into my interview with Eliza Scanlon.
Speaker 3 (36:54):
How are you.
Speaker 10 (36:56):
I'm good?
Speaker 3 (36:56):
How are you? I'm doing well? Thank you.
Speaker 1 (36:58):
First of all, welcome to ir Radios Pop Culture Weekly.
I appreciate you joining me. Thank you for having me,
of course.
Speaker 3 (37:05):
So first of all, this film is so incredible.
Speaker 1 (37:10):
I love how layered it is, and I'm trying to
be a spoiler free as possible, but I love how
you know there's multiple things going on, if I can
put it that way.
Speaker 3 (37:23):
What drew you to this film?
Speaker 10 (37:28):
I mean, good job on not spoiling anything. It's the
hard one to do with this film. Yeah, what drew
me to the project? I mean, first and foremost, they
think Selena and Logan, the filmmakers drew me to the project.
They are really talented, unique, distinctive filmmakers. And when this
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film arrived in my inbox, I know did a deep dive,
as you always do, on the filmmakers, and I watched
that film top side, and I mean they've made so
much stuff, but top side their film and also their
short film Caroline were two things that blew me away.
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And I just knew, even from seeing their work that
I had to make this thing with them. And then
I read the script. The script was unlike anything i'd
read before. It was straddling two very different, you know, sensibilities.
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I think like you've got, you know, genre mystery with naturalism,
very grounded performances, family drama. So yeah, and I'd never
done a like a kind of a film for where
the plot was so like action driven. So there were
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just like a bunch of things that really excited me
about the project.
Speaker 1 (39:01):
Yeah, I love that, and that's one of the many
reasons that I love watching it. You know, it's just
for all of the reasons you said, and more. As
you're filming, is it hard for you? I asked Dylan
this as well.
Speaker 3 (39:15):
Is it hard for you to.
Speaker 1 (39:19):
Knowing that there's kind of knowing that what we know
as the viewer, as you as an you know, an actor.
Is it hard for you to put certain plot elements
away as you're shooting or are you able to be like, Okay, no,
I'm in the here and now for this scene or
how does that work for you?
Speaker 10 (39:40):
That's a really good question. I remember finding that really
difficult when we were shooting because I mean there were
even moments on set where you know, the people us
who you know should be the one to like know
the thing back to front, and you think you do,
until you know you get to a certainty and you're like, wait,
(40:03):
what am I meant to know right now? And like
what's happened? And who knows who? And yeah, there's kind
of it definitely messed with you a little bit just
keeping track of the story. I did find that really
really difficult. But sometimes you kind of just have to
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throw that all away and be like, Okay, I'm running
down the street. That's that's what I'm doing.
Speaker 1 (40:31):
And you had worked with Night M Night before, who
he's one of my favorites ever, and you had worked
with him in Old How did you come into this?
Was it through M Night?
Speaker 3 (40:45):
Was it before? And he just happened to come in?
How did that work?
Speaker 10 (40:51):
Well, he wasn't part of it initially, but as you know,
Selene and Logan worked with Night on Servant and yeah,
I came onto the project and he learned about the
project and wanted to support it and come on in
a producing capacity, which I believe was the first time
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that he ever did that.
Speaker 3 (41:14):
For somebody else's film, right.
Speaker 10 (41:16):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, and so it was a huge deal.
And yeah, I think it just like really kind of
bolstered the film and to have his kind of wisdom
and guidance in, you know, throughout the production and post
it was. Yeah, it was kind of like a did
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not unexpected serendipitous thing to happen.
Speaker 3 (41:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:41):
I thought that was interesting, especially for you and and
Lauren you know, who of course was on Servant, which
is one of my favorite shows every Yeah. So for you,
you know, you've done such varied work, you know, eleanor Roosevelt,
and you know, and what is it like for you
as an actor? I mean, obviously you get to choose
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your roles, but you get a script like this, Is
it ever a conscious thing to be like, well, I've
never done anything in.
Speaker 3 (42:11):
That space before.
Speaker 1 (42:12):
Let me dive in and kind of flex my muscles,
or does it come down just to the script and
the filmmakers for you?
Speaker 3 (42:20):
How do you kind of make that choice?
Speaker 10 (42:25):
I think I'm always looking for things that challenge me,
things that I haven't done before. It's very easy to
quite quickly fall into the type casting trap. And also
I'm sort of I'm at an age where I can
play still play roles that are quite young, but I'm
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also reaching a stage where I'm i can play characters
that are a bit older. So I'm just constantly looking
for Yeah, sometimes it's it's like, because I'm twenty five now,
Sometimes you're like, how many times can I play a
coming of age film when I'm twenty five? But you know,
(43:11):
I just think it comes down to the story and
if it's if it's trying to do something different, and
if it feels like it's exploring, you know, a facet
of yourself that you haven't quite you know, exploriat or
if it's like, if it's scary, that's usually an indicator
to do it. But yeah, yeah, I mean I'm doing it.
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Was about to do a play that's a comedy and
I don't really do comedies, and I'm a bit l
uh oh, but it'll be it'll be great because if
it's scary, that means it's the right thing.
Speaker 1 (43:45):
To be doing, right And I know that you mean
scary as in, you know, out of my comfort zone immediately.
But as a huge horror fan, are you are you
like a genre fan? Are you a horror or obviously
I wouldn't call this horror. But but are you a
horror fan?
Speaker 10 (44:06):
I'm not, Okay, I I am weak. I don't really.
I mean I feel like there obviously there's such a
huge horror fan base, and horror is what keeps you know,
movie theaters alive. And but I think like the horror
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genre is totally expanding, which is really cool. And it's like,
I guess like there was probably a day, you know,
probably five years ago if you told if you ask
me whether I like horror, I'd be like, no, I
don't like horror. But I feel like I've had a
I've learned more about the genre, and I yeah, I
(44:53):
just feel like there's some really interesting things happening in
horror at the moment. So I certainly something I want
to explore, that's for.
Speaker 3 (45:01):
Sure, okay. Uh.
Speaker 1 (45:03):
And I love that, you know, as a horror fan
and as a testament to what you're saying, you know,
there are serious filmmakers that are you know, exploring in
horror and kind of pushing the boundaries as creators and actors.
Speaker 3 (45:18):
And you know, the whole teams of what horror means.
Speaker 1 (45:21):
And then you have all these kind of genre bending
films and and creators like M Knight, who kind of
you know, towes so many lines between so many genres
that in many ways it's become you know, of course
there's horror horror, but in many ways it's there's a
blurb between many of those.
Speaker 3 (45:39):
Things, you know.
Speaker 10 (45:41):
Yeah, for sure, for sure. And I think that's probably why.
I mean, like straight horror is probably not something I'm
like immediately drawn to, but like you're saying, the sort
of genre bending stuff, I think it's really cool and like,
you know, it's that's where I like slain logo comes in,
you know, doing some really interesting stuff that I don't
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think has been really quite done before.
Speaker 1 (46:08):
So yeah, yeah, I could see you in Like have
you have you seen the others with Nicole Kidman?
Speaker 10 (46:16):
No? I haven't.
Speaker 1 (46:17):
Oh you got to watch it. Like who would think
Nicole Kidman of all people is like in a horror
movie and it is a horror movie, but it's Nicole Kidman.
But it's kind of like that genre bending you know,
but it's so cool and her performance is so elevated
and it just I feel like brings the genre up
for everybody.
Speaker 3 (46:35):
You know.
Speaker 10 (46:36):
Oh, I'm such a big Nicole Kidman fan.
Speaker 3 (46:39):
Yeah, you got to check it out.
Speaker 14 (46:40):
Oh.
Speaker 10 (46:41):
I think she's so cool and she does like I
don't know, I just think she does. She's not She's
open to everything and anything and takes risks, and that
doesn't surprise me that she's done a full blown horror film.
Speaker 3 (46:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (46:57):
Yeah, Well, and for you for this film, you know,
I had I lost my mom three years ago to cancer.
This film is in many ways. I was talking to
the filmmakers and Logan was saying he had lost his
mom in the journey with this project. So much of
this film for me as a viewer, is about grief
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and what we do with that grief and that journey
and how you know, my grief journey of losing my
mom is different than Logan's with his mom and different,
you know, it's also individualistic. What do you think the
essence of codder Lake is.
Speaker 10 (47:39):
Yeah, I totally understand what you're saying about the grief journey.
Everybody has their own journey that and it looks different
for everyone. And I think for Ellie, she's you know,
she's had to grieve, you know, her dad not being
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in her life from a very young age, and that's
something that she has to confront again and again, and yeah,
and also she has as a result of that, she
has such a fraught relationship with her mother and they
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have hurt each other in a lot of ways. And
I you know, and I think that's also a huge
part of grief, is that in you know, when you
lose someone people, it's very easy to you know, like
carry that that the weight to that loss, and use
that as ammunition to hurt other people. I think that
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this this film is you know, trying to explore the
life that your parents had before you were born, and
you know, the people that they were before you existed.
And I think also it's a film about forgiveness too.
(49:08):
And yeah, I just think probably what people I hope
people take away from the film is like, yeah, finding
finding a place in their hearts to forgive. And I
think it's obviously very hard to especially family can be
(49:30):
so complicated that Yeah, I think it's like the ending
is quite hopeful and it's like the beginning of a
journey of like forgiveness in within Ellie's family. So yeah,
it's quite a grounded, you know, like theme to take
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away from the film.
Speaker 3 (49:56):
I love that.
Speaker 1 (49:57):
Thank you so much for speaking with me. I cannot
wait for everybody to see Kato Lake exclusively on Max.
Speaker 3 (50:04):
Eliza, thank you, thank you so much, of course you too,
Eliza Scanln. What she does in Kado Lake is incredible.
Speaker 4 (50:14):
I mean, she's an incredible actress anyway, but I really really,
you gotta watch.
Speaker 3 (50:22):
It, and you gotta watch her performance. She's just so good.
Speaker 1 (50:26):
All Right, last, but not least, for the show, I
am once again the incredible Dylan O'Brien returns. He was
last on the show in twenty twenty.
Speaker 4 (50:36):
Two to talk about the Hulu film Not Okay that
he started, but in case you needed a reminder, he
kind of broke through with Style Stelenski in the MTV
series teen Wolf, and of course he was the lead
in the Maze Runner trilogy. It was Bumblebee in the
Transformers film Bumblebee. And he's done an incredible amount of
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work everywhere else, from playing in pony Boy, he plays
dan Aykroyd right now and Saturday Night, and he's won
so many awards, So let's just bring him back right.
Speaker 3 (51:12):
Now, Dylan O'Brien.
Speaker 1 (51:15):
So, first of all, Dylan, welcome back to iHeartRadio's pop
culture weekly. I appreciate you hanging out with me.
Speaker 16 (51:22):
Oh yeah, here before.
Speaker 3 (51:24):
You have It's all good.
Speaker 1 (51:28):
It was yeah, it was last year for for a
film you did and uh what uh it was? Oh
my god, you had blonde hair. I'm totally drawing a blank.
Speaker 9 (51:41):
Oh shit, Okay, ago a couple of years ago.
Speaker 3 (51:45):
Was it that long?
Speaker 4 (51:46):
It's not?
Speaker 3 (51:46):
Okay, not okay, thank you.
Speaker 1 (51:49):
There you go, and now you're back for this. So
I appreciate you. Uh, I appreciate your time. But so
first of all, congratulations on the project.
Speaker 3 (51:59):
It is.
Speaker 1 (52:01):
You know, it's really great. You know, it's a genre
bending film that I'm in love with it. I wondered
what drew you to it?
Speaker 16 (52:15):
So many things. First of all, thanks, really appreciate it.
Speaker 9 (52:21):
I guess I'll start with Celine and Logan, the filmmakers
they were.
Speaker 16 (52:27):
They had sort of this eclectic array of these really.
Speaker 9 (52:30):
Dynamic short films that I was kind of sent a
few years ago, four or four years ago now, I
think it was twenty twenty, and I just thought that
they were so gifted and I wanted to meet with them.
So we kind of just like zoomed generally, and I
really like dug their vibe and their passion and their sensibility.
(52:52):
And a year later, maybe even less like eight or
nine months later, they like sent me this project. Usually,
like you take those general meetings and then it's even
if you like vibe with someone, it's like so rare
that something comes of it. They like followed up and
like sent me this script. And the first thing that
I opened was sort.
Speaker 16 (53:11):
Of a.
Speaker 9 (53:13):
Some footage that they had gone down to Cato Lake
and shot with their TP and it so the first
thing that I opened up was this stunning shot of
this lake that I'd never seen before, and I was like,
what the fuck is this place? And the sounds were
so I just was immediately sort of like wow, what
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a cinematic element, you know, to set something in. And
then I dove into the scripts from there and I
just really I was really drawn in by the grounded
nature to the characters and the way that they were written,
in the way that the world was built. And it
was sort of this family drama dripping with like a
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little cot of mystery and sort of like spins into
this heightened you know, sort of like uses a divisive
kind of like you know, supernatural element to kind.
Speaker 16 (54:13):
Of round out that story.
Speaker 9 (54:15):
The family drama ultimately about really about loss, love and family,
and you know, I thought that was just fantastic.
Speaker 1 (54:24):
Yeah, I was talking to the filmmakers yesterday and they
said that this all started from a photo they saw
on Reddit, which I think is incredible and then spun
into this.
Speaker 3 (54:37):
And speaking with Logan, he had lost his mom and
I had lost my mom.
Speaker 1 (54:42):
So we were, you know, talking about that and how
it turned into this piece for him on his end,
that that was about this profound grief that you know,
they were able to make, like turn this into something
that he was able to channel his grief through as
(55:03):
as you know.
Speaker 3 (55:04):
As the project happened. I do find it super.
Speaker 1 (55:08):
Interesting the and I'm trying to be as spoiler free
as possible the back and forth if you obviously you
know what I mean. But but how how was that
for you as an actor to be able to kind
of know that these story wise, these two things are
going on. Is is it hard for you to kind
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of keep those How do I say it? Is it
hard for you to kind of organize those in your
mind as an actor? Or does it kind of muddy
the waters a bit?
Speaker 9 (55:42):
You know what it's And I'm gonna be careful too.
That's really hard. Uh, it's it's it's one of those
things you just at the beginning of the movie, I
was like, you know what, I need to put this
out of my head and trust Selene and Logan. That's
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at the end of the day, like they're tracking everything.
I think if I if I try to sort of
be overly conscious about how these sort of intertwining like
narratives link, I think it would strip away a lot
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of the grounded and like naturalistic nature that the film really.
Speaker 16 (56:31):
Runs on. At the end of the day. It's fueled
by this.
Speaker 9 (56:37):
Authentic sort of sense of realism and the spirit of
this community and this environment. And I think I just
needed to sort of like as my character would, right,
we're real people in these you know what become very
extraordinary circumstances. And I believe that just sort of staying
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grounded and honest in that was like the recipe that
the the ingredients, the ingredients that the recipe required, like
for the film, I cass and sort of just trusting
Selena and Logan's sensibility to handle the rest and and
to make sure that the that the narratives were were
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cohesive and sinking and and yeah, I.
Speaker 16 (57:27):
Guess that's the thought on that.
Speaker 3 (57:30):
Okay, I love that.
Speaker 1 (57:31):
And finally I'm a huge film buff obviously, and I
love M Night is one of my favorites. He was
a producer on on the film. What was that like
for you? You know, you're a film buff yourself, what
was that like for you? You know, to be involved
with like, you know, I just feel like everything he
touches is for me, like so like amazing, you know.
Speaker 3 (57:54):
How was that for you?
Speaker 9 (57:56):
Well? He was what a what a great chance in
to have come in and support these filmmakers, you know,
So I just think he's somebody who I agree with you.
Speaker 16 (58:08):
I see everything MNET does.
Speaker 1 (58:12):
You know.
Speaker 9 (58:13):
I love that he self finances and you know, really
believes in, you know, autonomy for a filmmaker. And so
when we were sort of attached to this script and
sort of about to take it out to financiers, because
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that's kind of how it came together, you know, Selene
and Logan got hired to do a couple of episodes
on his show, and he just fell in love with
them because they're so infectious and talented and you know, passionate,
and he just begged to know like what was next
for them, if they had anything in the pipeline, if
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they'd written anything, and they they gave him this, and
he was like, I want to finance this. I want
to help you guys make this, you know. So it
was sort of like incredible news. We were like just
about to take the movie out as like an independent
feature with Eliza and I attached, and we immediately got
financing from m Night. It was going to be and
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it was I'm pretty certain of the first project that
he financed outside of one of his own directorial efforts.
And just what a gift to have that type of producer,
you know, in the kitchen, right because I think the
main concern would be, particularly with these like talented filmmakers,
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would be like, Okay, well, hopefully we don't end up
somewhere where they're being really micromanaged.
Speaker 16 (59:44):
You know, or like we're not you know.
Speaker 9 (59:47):
Being allowed to take the swing ultimately that we creatively
want to be.
Speaker 16 (59:51):
Taking, you know.
Speaker 9 (59:52):
So it was really great to have such a seasoned
filmmaker in his own right come on as a producer, sir,
and be there to support these young and gifted filmmakers,
you know, and and let with you know, sometimes the
best support is is space, you know, sort of like
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allowing them to you know, flourish and then setting the
environment for them and giving them the resources they need
and then like go, you know, do what you guys
do and and you.
Speaker 16 (01:00:24):
Know, get out there, evolve, learn, you know what I mean.
Speaker 9 (01:00:27):
It's going to be the the biggest feature that they've
done yet. And but they're they're so fantastic and and
you know, they grew a lot throughout the shoot, you know,
like we all do every time out, you know, And yeah,
it was great.
Speaker 16 (01:00:41):
Happy to m night as as our champion for that.
Speaker 3 (01:00:44):
I love that.
Speaker 1 (01:00:44):
Dylan, thank you so much for speaking with me. I
can't wait for everybody to see it, Uh so I
can talk about it first of all.
Speaker 16 (01:00:52):
Yeah, yeah, for sure, I really we really care a
lot about this one.
Speaker 9 (01:00:55):
So yeah, I really appreciate your questions and your passion
for it. And yeah, spread the word. I hope, you know,
people check it out. I hope it catches a little.
Speaker 1 (01:01:04):
Bit of fire, you know, absolutely, brother, thank you man,
I really appreciate it.
Speaker 16 (01:01:08):
Jeers, thank you.
Speaker 3 (01:01:09):
Have a great day.
Speaker 1 (01:01:10):
Dylan O'Brien, thanks of course to Dylan and everybody else
who came and talked to me. Kato Lake is out
right now on Max.
Speaker 4 (01:01:22):
I highly recommend the film, and Teacup is out right
now on Peacock. I highly recommend that series. Let me
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It's a spooky, spooky episode. Back out too weakly,
In this episode of pop Culture Weekly, I talk with
the stars of Kaddo Lake, including Dylan O'Brien who returns
and Eliza Scalen, and I talked to the cast of
Tea Coop, the Really Creepy series on Peacock Right Now,
Scott Speedman, Von Strowski and more.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Let's go Welcome to pop Culture Weekly with Kyle McMahon
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and celebrity interviews on all the movies, TV, music and
pomp culture u CRABE Weekly. Here's Kyle McMahon.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
Nett no no, no net, Hello, and welcome to pop
Culture Weekly with Kyle McMahon.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
It's an October episode, and you.
Speaker 4 (00:45):
Know that I love Halloween, I love spooky season, I
love horror, so this is a great episode for all
of you fellow you know, spooky horror lovers. Talk with
the cast of Kato Lake, which is a HBO Max
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film written and directed by Selene Held and Logan George
who I speak with, and it stars Dylan O'Brien, Eliza Scanlin,
Eric Lang, Lauren Ambrose and guests.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Who serves as producer of that.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
Film, m Knight, Shyamalin himself and you know I love
m Knight and this film is really amazing. It is
available right now on Max. Kato Lake is about a
eight year old girl who disappears on Kado Lake, which
is a real place, and then a series of past
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deaths and mysterious disappearances I'll begin to link together. It
is extremely great. I really really loved it. Very spooky,
twisty thriller. I really highly recommend you watch it. It
is well well well well worth your time, especially at
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spooky season. It doesn't have to be because it's you know,
a great thriller, but it's perfect for spooky season. So
uh so I speak with the filmmakers Selene Held and
Logan George as well as Dylan O'Brien returns once again.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
We talk about the film and Eliza.
Speaker 4 (02:25):
Scanlin and also Tea Cup, which is this incredible horror
series on Peacock produced by Ian McCulloch and James Wand
you know I love James Wand and it stars Yvon Strowsky,
who you may know is the Emmy multi Emmy nominated
(02:47):
actor from such series as The Handmaid's Tale and Chuck
and Dexter and twenty four and Scott Speedman, who I
love Scott. He kind of became big with Felicity, the
series Felicity and then played Michael Corvin in the Underworld
film franchise. He's been in Triple X, State of the Union,
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The Strangers, which is one of my favorite scary movies ever.
And for Grey's Anatomy fans, doctor Nick Marsh who he
has played on and off for a long time. So
he joins me as well. So let's get right into
this all spooky episode of Pop Culture Weekly. We are
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going to start off with the cast and filmmakers behind Teacup.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
So let's talk to.
Speaker 4 (03:36):
Ian McCulloch, who is executive producer and writer as he
gives us some insight into how he took Teacup from
a beloved book to a series.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
Let's speak with him Ian McCulloch.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
First of all, thank you Ian for speaking with me.
I really appreciate it.
Speaker 5 (03:54):
Oh sure, nice to meet you.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Nice to meet you. So, first of all, congratulations on Teacup.
I absolutely love it. I'm a huge genre fan and
this does an amazing job of not only being great
genre work, but it's very layered and you know, there's
it's a great drama, there's family stuff going on. You know,
it's so layered, and I really appreciate that as a
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as a fan.
Speaker 6 (04:17):
So thank you, well, thank you.
Speaker 5 (04:19):
That's that's really good to hear.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
So tell me about why, you know, why you were
attracted to this project and and and also taking it
from a book but not you kind of took the
essence of the book and and kind of did it
did did it your own way? What was that important
to you? And why did you Why was it important
(04:44):
for you to do this project and why did you
decide to do it in the way you did.
Speaker 5 (04:48):
Uh. Well, James Wallan's company came to me with the
book and they said, here's a book. We're looking for
somebody to adapt it. Would you give it a read?
And I read it and I thought, well, I don't
want to do this page for page, character for character adaptation.
But if I flip this thing on its head, that
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becomes interesting to me because the book still exists. If
you want to go read the book, go read the book.
It's a really good book. But the series is its
own thing. And you said it perfectly, it's the essence
of the book and nothing more. And I thought, what
if you take away all the bells and whistles. What
if you take away the town, you take away all
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the characters, take away the set pieces, the big crazy
stuff that happens in the book, and you just deal
with the ground level. And I use this in quotations
reality of a family dealing with what happens in the book.
And to me, that opened all the doors for me.
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It's the way to make it a long form narrative
where you're invested in these characters and you see where
they go. Because you're with this family at all times,
you're at ground level with them experiencing this, and in
that way, the audience experiences it with them, and that
to me was really exciting. Now there's two things. One,
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James One and his company needed to feel the same way,
and two, more importantly, Robert McCammon needed to feel the
same way. And I, instead of asking for permission, I
asked for forgiveness. I went and wrote a script which
is basically the episode. One showed it to Atomic Monster
(06:39):
in James and they said, fantastic, we love it. And
then we showed it to Robert McCammon and he said,
oh wow, this is really cool. This is different and
he got on board, and those are the two voices
that I needed to hear say yes before I could
really invest, and we went from there.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
Was there any nervousness in because it you know, I
would say a lot of times in this industry, you know,
there's a lot of studio meddling, you know, where you
don't want to stray from the norm and you want
to go with something that's always worked. So there, you know,
there is a bit of a risk in that. Was
there any nervousness on your part, especially going to demand
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that wrote the book, where you'd like, here's what it
is and here's my vision for it.
Speaker 5 (07:29):
Uh, there wasn't nervousness. I was excited about it, and
I think that's and I was sure that as sure
as I've ever been that it that it was the
that it would work, not that it was the right
thing to do, but that it would work. And I
think going into something go whether it's going to James
or McCammon, or to UCP or to Peacock. If you
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go in and you say this is the thing, you
want to get on board this thing because it's really cool,
then if they don't, then it's not for them. It's
not that it's bad. It's not that it's but if
you believe in it, it's gonna show. And that you know,
there's a thousand reasons why they say no in this business,
and I've been told no a thousand times, so maybe
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that's part of it as well. But I'm not nervous
because the worst thing is they say no and they
go home and have a sandwich, or they make it
and I tell somebody else to get me a sandwich.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Right, I love that. And finally, just in the spirit
of Teacup, you know, so often there's so much amazing
genre work that's overlooked. What is one of your favorite pieces,
whether you know a long form or a film that
you feel is overlooked.
Speaker 5 (08:49):
Oh man, I have the perfect example, but I can't
remember what it's called. It's overlooked. Shoot, what is it called.
It's so good. I can't think of it. Really hard
because I know it, but I don't remember what it's called.
It's like three times something song I don't remember. I
don't remember. There's so many though, there's a I don't know. Jeez,
(09:13):
that's a hard question. Shit, it's gonna be my first failure.
In interviews today, I don't remember what it's called. All right,
remember it like in five minutes exactly.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
There you go.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
Thank you. That's all right, Ian, thank you so much.
Speaker 6 (09:31):
I really appreciate speaking with you.
Speaker 5 (09:33):
All right, good talking to you.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
Ian mccullag. I love what he's done with Peacock.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
It is a really great horror, like legit terrifying series.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
It's so good. As a horror fan, you should watch it.
Speaker 4 (09:49):
If you're looking for something spooky, just for the Halloween
spooky season, you should watch it. Jump right in, all right,
Next up Chosky and Sir and Rob Morgan. Chowsky gained
prominence as Sam Yuley in the Twilight films. He's also
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nominated for a British Academy Television Award for the BBC
and Prime Video series The English. He's also been in Banshee,
Sneaky Pete, and blind Spot, among many many others. Rob
Morgan is known I love, I mean, all of his work,
but you know, he's probably best known for his role
(10:32):
as Turk Barrett in the Marvel Netflix series.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
You know, I'm a huge mcu fan, Marvel Studios.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
Fan, but he played Turk and daredevil Luke Cage, The Punisher,
Jessica Jones, The Defenders, Iron.
Speaker 4 (10:49):
Fist, and I loved every second of it. He also
played Hap Jackson and mud Bound Officer Powell of course
in Stranger Things, and he is joining us with Chosky.
So let's jump right into it. My conversation, my conversate,
my conversation with Rob Morgan and Chosky Spencer.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
Thank you both for speaking with me. Thank you for
having us Kyle of course. So, first of all, I
love a teacup. It is so I'm a huge genre fan,
but I think this is interesting because it works on
many layers, not just as you know genre work, but uh,
it's you know, there's drama and family and all kinds
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of things. So I wondered if for both of you
that was also something that drew you to it. But
you know, as as an actor.
Speaker 7 (11:45):
Oh man, it's special to get material like this where
you actually get such quality writing with such in depth
characters that you can download and play without having to
figure it out so much on your own, but actually
like just taking the tip in front of you and
just really living it as honestly as possible. And it
was a treat to have that.
Speaker 8 (12:05):
Yeah, it makes our job easier to do what we
do if the writing spot.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
On And had either of you read you know, I
know it's inspired by the book, but had had either
of you read the book before you took on the role,
or I read a little bit of it, But then
I found out that it what Ian did was take
the essence of the book and create something on his own.
Speaker 6 (12:30):
So I just kind of put the book away and
just right to the source.
Speaker 7 (12:33):
And when I realized that they were doing something unique
and special of their own that was like inspired by
the book but not totally going by the book verbatim,
I just trusted in the scripts in my own research
and went with that. So I didn't read the book,
but I read the scripts.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
Gotcha. And both of you have been involved in uh
in you know, the Marvel universe for instance, and you
know all kinds of work all over in all kinds
of spaces in entertainment, film, content, television. What drew you
to Teacup?
Speaker 6 (13:13):
It was Ian? It was I, yeah, writing all that.
Speaker 7 (13:17):
Yeah, Ian, the opportunity to work with Peacock and seeing
un much they've been investing in quality shows, and then
with James wand name at the top of it, knowing
his his resume and success, it just felt like a
dream come true for an actor that really, you know,
put in hard work and time to get to this
kind of material.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
M and for you, you know, I was talking to Scott
and Yvonne and it popped up regarding isolation and how
we've all kind of lived in isolation for at least
a short period a few years ago. Has that affected
you as an actor when you're doing something, you know,
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in a script like this, you know, series like this,
where so much of it is based around isolation and
that sort of thing, and we're kind of at a
unique place in history where you know, there's not many
points in history where you can say we were all
kind of isolated, but then you have this series that
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comes along that is is very much isolation is very
much a part of the story. Does that affect you?
You know, has that affected you? Are you like, yeah,
now I had had that on my resume, so I
can you know or are you able to just it's
in the script and so I'm gonna do that.
Speaker 6 (14:39):
I'm still isolated, I'm still living in isolation.
Speaker 8 (14:43):
So it doesn't change for me, but it does, you know,
things like that do it does help, Like actors, I
think anything you give us we can absorb because we
take it and do what we can with it. So
it's just an added character.
Speaker 7 (14:57):
The experience, you know, we bring the experience to the work,
just the directors to like, you know, keep us in
line with the tonality that we're trying to execute here.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
I love that And for either of you. Finally, what what?
Speaker 9 (15:11):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (15:12):
You know, we're talking about genre genre work, and I
feel as a horror fan, I feel personally I'm a
film buff obviously, but I love horror in particular. I
often feel that there's some great work that's overlooked, uh,
just because you know, especially with so many critics and stuff,
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it kind of gets snubbed sometimes and there's sometimes this
feeling of or this air of you know, like or
superior over that genre or something, which I think is
a mistake. You know, there's incredible work like Teacup that
is very much in the genre vein, but but it
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is also so much deeper than you know, a typical
slasher or whatever. What if you could pick one of
kind of those underlooked genre films for both of you,
Rob and Shaske, What what would you what would that
be for you?
Speaker 7 (16:14):
Overlook genre film? Can I go back to the eighties
for Beach Street?
Speaker 1 (16:19):
Mmmm? Okay, yeah, you know.
Speaker 7 (16:23):
I think that was overlooked because from where I was
at my life and time, that was such a true
depiction of culture that I really related to. But I
seemed like I was the only one that liked it.
You know, it didn't get no nomination, no nothing, but
for me and my crowd, it was like the Bible
at the time, you know what I mean.
Speaker 6 (16:43):
Beach Street that I remember that.
Speaker 8 (16:46):
Yeah, yeah, genre, I would say, I like New R
Like I'm a big fan of like black and white
New R.
Speaker 6 (16:55):
I like stuff like that. I liked The Third.
Speaker 8 (16:58):
Man, Okay, and I know it's famous, but most people
don't unless your film buff, don't really know about that movie.
Speaker 6 (17:05):
So I'm I'm a big fan of that type of genre.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
Awesome. I love that. Thank you both so much for
speaking with me. I can't wait for everybody to see
Teacup so I can talk about it.
Speaker 6 (17:17):
Thank you, Thank you for having me man.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
Thanks have a great day. Rob Morgan and Showsky Spencer
love those guys. Love their roles in Teacup, which again
exclusively on Peacock.
Speaker 4 (17:30):
It is so good. You gotta watch it. It's really terrifying.
It's like it's you know, how often do we get
a really actually scary TV series? This is one of them.
So check it out, all right. Next up, we talk
with the two main stars themselves, Scott Speedman and Yvonne Strowsky.
I talked about them a little bit more at the
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top of the show, but let's just jump right into
it right now here. They are Scott Speedman and Yvonne strav.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
First of all, thank you both so much for speaking
with me. I really appreciate it.
Speaker 10 (18:04):
Thanks for having us.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
Of course. So tell me a little bit. You know,
both of you have done such varied roles, and you've
both had some horror in your you know, in your filmography.
Why is it something that you know, something like teacup
that Why is that something a genre that you'd like
to go back to.
Speaker 11 (18:29):
I don't know if I think of it as a
genre that I like to go back to. It's more
it's more, I mean, every project is, you know, in
case by case really, so it's it depends on the script,
it depends on the people involved, it depends on how
much fun or challenge I'm going to have as an
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actor on it, And I think this one ticked all
the boxes pretty much for me. I mean, it was
a great piece of writing. Ian is such a lovely
human being, and as a first time a showrunner, was
just super thoughtful and how he wanted to approach this.
And I think that's what attracted me to the project,
is not that we had a showrunner who wanted to
make some kind of a classic horror with all the
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gore and the thrill. He wanted to make a horror
with an amazingly grounded foundation of relationships and family and
stuff that I think audiences can truly relate to, which
sort of elevates the piece in a way that we
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might not often see.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
So yeah, okay, how.
Speaker 12 (19:36):
About for you, Scott, Yeah, I mean somewhat of a
similar answer. It's not like I'm digging and searching and
asking a representation find me the next horror thing or
something in the genre space. I mean these scripts came
along when they did, and I knew Evian's work from
other things, and I was kind of really excited to
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see what he was going to do with something in
this space because his work previously he wasn't. That's not
really what floats his boat. So when I got the scripts,
I was really excited. He nailed the world really well
and the family really well, and the whole the idea
of this family isolated on this farm in Georgia. I
thought the drama of that whole situation alone was like
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really interesting and I thought, really going to be watchable
for an audience. So when they started to add in
the genre elements and I knew James Wand's company was gonna,
you know, be behind the scenes with us here, I thought, Wow,
this really could have something special going on.
Speaker 5 (20:30):
But I mean it was. It was, honestly, man.
Speaker 12 (20:33):
There were just there were good scripts, you know, there
were good scripts that came along, and you just you're
always searching for stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
I love that. And you know, part of the reason
that I love Teacup is that, you know, I think
at a very human level, isolation is a scary thing
for many of us were you know, social creatures, and
that that alone is is scary for so many people,
you know, and of course we've all recently collectively went
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through a very isolating, you know event that that I think,
you know, tends to be on the back of our
minds today now, and then you take that and then
you have this great script on top of it with
you know, it's really I love that there's drama. You know,
it's not just a slasher or it's not just a
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straight up horror you know series, it's a it is
very layered and so you know, so speaking to that
we have, you know, we are four years out from
a worldwide pandemic the beginnings of it. Does that change
you as an actor? You know, now that you've kind
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of had this isolating experience and now you're playing characters
that are forced to be isolated. I feel like almost
if I was an actor, Like it's almost like I
have real life experience now with that, you know what
I'm saying. Has that changed either of you?
Speaker 12 (22:07):
I mean, for me, I think that whole situation changed
all of us. So yes, collectively, of course, And I
think we all have a different understanding of when something
strange starts to happen, and you know, then you include
your neighbors and your other the other parts of the
town you're in and all that sort of stuff. I
think collectively we just sort of subconsciously understand that and
I think that's where some of the dread of this
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show comes in. And I think we all look at
shows like this where you're not sure of what's happening
to you, to your family, to the next family over
to that family over there, to your neighbors.
Speaker 5 (22:37):
So we all have.
Speaker 12 (22:39):
An eerie, unsettled feeling around all that that when we
start to watch our show, you can't not help but
feel some shared subconscious thing that's going on for the viewers.
So yeah, I mean on that level, but not something
overt that. Like I read these scripts and I was like, oh, well,
I know this now because of COVID or something right right,
something a little more subtle, but yeah, it's in there
(23:00):
for sure.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
How about for you, Bun, I don't know.
Speaker 11 (23:05):
I you know, I, as a Scott was spoking. I
just sort of thought, you know, to add to that,
it's interesting also to see how individuals, how dynamics play
out in that circumstance, and certainly in real life and
a pandemic, we had a lot of different opinions about
how things should be or what was real what wasn't
(23:27):
a lot of it political, so it's interesting to sort
of bring it right down to this like microcosm and
have and and and have characters that were sort of
representative of that greater world that we all lived in.
So yeah, that that's sort of what comes to mind
when when we're talking about this.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
And finally James want you know, I'm a huge fan
of his uh and and this you know, this is
obviously based on a novel. Had had I either of
you knew of the novel beforehand or did you read
it in preparation for filming tea Cup?
Speaker 5 (24:10):
Oh?
Speaker 11 (24:10):
Sorry, no, I mean given that Ian, you know, Dean
has always said this was the novel was an inspirational piece,
but that a lot of it became different in how
he had approached the show, and he kind of did
that from the get go. So I didn't really feel
it necessary to read it. Otherwise I probably would have.
(24:31):
I usually would read something like that, but this might
be the first time that I hadn't.
Speaker 12 (24:36):
Yeah awesome, Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean I didn't read
it either. He was like, he, I think that book
is like a huge book. It's like this huge story
that involves the whole town and you know, like many many,
many many characters, and he wanted to do a very
much smaller story version of that, which I thought was
(24:57):
a smart place to at least start the show.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
Se Yeah, well I love it. I can't wait for
everybody to see it. Thank you, Yvonna and Scott. Teacup
coming very very soon. Thank you, thank you, thank you,
Yvon Strowsky and Scott speed Me. They are so good
in Teacup and Teacup is so good. You've got to
(25:21):
watch it. It's available right now on Peacock eight half
hour episodes and it's well well well worth your time.
The final two episodes will be premiering on Halloween of
twenty twenty four. So depending on when you watch this,
it's either coming out is out. It's either coming out
(25:45):
or is out. So whatever one it is, there it is.
I'm not making any sense, but you get it. All right.
That's it for Teacup Peacock series Love Life of Love It.
Speaker 4 (26:01):
Next up, we're going to take a break real quick,
and then we're going to come back and talk to
the filmmakers and the cast and crew. Talk to the
filmmakers and Dylan O'Brien and Eliza Scanlon all about their
film Kado Lake be right back in sixty all right,
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Speaker 3 (26:38):
Kato Lake. We talked about that at We talked about
it at the top of the show.
Speaker 4 (26:42):
But it's a film exclusively on Max, produced by the
amazing m Night Shy Malin, directed and written by Selene
Held and Logan George, who are incredible, incredible filmmakers and
stars Dylan O'Brien, Eliza Scanlon, and Lauren Ambrose who Lauren
has been on the show a million times for Servant,
(27:04):
the m Night series, one of my favorite series of
all time from Apple TV. Another incredible spooky series that
you need to watch.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
But let's get right into it.
Speaker 4 (27:16):
Let's talk with the filmmakers first, Selene Held and Logan George.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
First of all, thank you both so much for joining
me or really appreciate it.
Speaker 13 (27:25):
Yeah, thanks thanks for you.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
Of course, nice meeting you. So, first of all, how
did this project come to be? I heard and you
can clear that if needed, but I heard that it
came about from a photograph that you came upon from
the actual Lake.
Speaker 3 (27:42):
Is that accurate?
Speaker 13 (27:44):
Read it from Reddit of the Lake, on Reddit.
Speaker 14 (27:50):
On earthporn so red earthporn, Yeah, no, sawas photo is
May and we were just really like, what are we
going to do? Our first feature, south By Southwest had
been canceled, our first feature so hadn't seen the light
of day yet, and we felt very stuck. We also
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were in this place of not being able to see
our family and kind of this question a very covidy
question maybe in retrospect, but like we were really curious
in thinking about our parents, especially in like.
Speaker 13 (28:25):
Who they were before we were born.
Speaker 15 (28:28):
My mom had passed away in twenty nineteen, and Queen
was talking about these conversations that she had with her
and was bringing up these memories that she had spoken
to Selene about and I was like, I've never heard this,
like like it doesn't even sound like my mom. And
so I sort of prompted this question of like, how
well do you really know your parents before you had
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this whole life, before you know they gave birth to you.
Speaker 14 (28:52):
And yeah, so we grabbed my mom, We borrowed my
mom's car so my parents weren't stuck in the house,
and we drove down to Caddo from Brooklyn and it
did not disappoint. It was three million times more magical
than that photo could have ever presented itself to us.
And we met these incredible people and spent a few
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months living off the lake writing that first draft that
was a mess, and then kind of came back to
Brooklyn and got a big whiteboard and charted out another
draft too.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
I love that logan.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
I I'm so sorry for your loss. I lost my
mom three years ago and my life has not been
the same since. And uh, but I wonder how that
you know, I know for me when I when my
mom passed, she passed from pancratic cancer.
Speaker 3 (29:48):
I had to.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
Do something with it. And it seems similarly as you know, creators,
that's it seems like it's kind.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
Of what we do.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
So I called the uh, the president of iHeart, and said,
I have this idea for a show called death, Grief
and other shit we don't discuss. And I'm going to
travel around the country and find out everything that I
can about the process of death and dying in the afterlife,
and you know all of it and and you guys
are gonna pay for it, and so so I did.
(30:17):
But it seems similarly from watching the film and talking
to both of you that that those things have kind
of greatly influenced what you ended up with, would you agree.
Speaker 15 (30:29):
Oh yeah, well it's just like you're saying, it just
changes you, uh, you know, forever, So it can't help
but start to like be infused into your art and
what you write. We definitely wanted to make something that
was like propulsive and wrapped in this genre thriller that
had like a ton of energy and was ultimately very
very entertaining. But yeah, like you know, the core emotionally
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comes from, you know, something that happens very early on
in the film to Paris played by Dylan and and
sort of everything is a ripple from this event that
happens to him. So yeah, it was something that sort
of I think was always there in the first draft
that we mentioned. It was a female character who had
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lost her mom, and kind of the big unlock coming
back to Brooklyn for us was this idea of like
what if this is actually two protagonists and that sort
of like unlocked this whole new puzzle box that we
could weave together and was really like the guiding light
of getting the scripture where it was. That made it
like really good and fresh.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
So yeah, and then you know, so now you have
this draft, you're back in Brooklyn, you you're you know,
kind of refining it.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
What happens from there, what happens.
Speaker 14 (31:47):
From there, what happened from there.
Speaker 15 (31:52):
I was just going to say that it was a
very hard script to kind of iterate and rewrite because
you're you're so locked in the way that everything sort
of loops back and feeds one another every scene. It
was it was, you know, trickier than most sort of
like straight storylines to rewrite. I remember that just being
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very challenging because it's like, oh, if we want to
change this thing, then you have to change these six
things that you haven't been ending anymore. It's like, really
really tough.
Speaker 13 (32:21):
But we shared.
Speaker 14 (32:23):
We we were directing for Servant that following January February
for Knight's TV show, and Night just said.
Speaker 13 (32:32):
Oh, if you ever have a feature, and we were like, oh.
Speaker 15 (32:34):
We do.
Speaker 14 (32:36):
Gave him this s feature that we had and he
called us in the next weekend and he said, I'm
financing this.
Speaker 13 (32:42):
He was the first person to read it.
Speaker 14 (32:45):
It was it was it was really surreal, and he
didn't We didn't spend a lot of time on the
iteration process in pre production, which I think, and then
in the post production process we spent a lot more
time like reworking, And part of me is like what
would have happened? But like Logan said, it all would
have fallen apart. It took actually being there. Eliza Dillon
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had a lot to do with, like who their characters became,
like every life of a project. The life of a
project is in three parts and you have to respect
each piece. So like that production part is so different
than you know that you can write the best script ever,
everything changes during production, so to write a movie that
was ultimately so complicated, everything changed anyway anyway, So what
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happened was the project is I don't know, it works somehow,
maybe like some duct tape and super glow, but like
it works.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
I love it and I love the film and I
love night He and Servant is one of my favorite
shows ever. I covered, Yeah, I covered it every season.
I talked with the cast and night and then came
out to the series finale thing in New York and
did all that is It's one of one of my
(34:01):
top two three favorite shows ever and I can never
figure out which one is number one or two or three.
Speaker 3 (34:06):
But but what.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
Do you hope for for you know, once this this
is out there in the world, what do you what
are your wishes for it as the as you have given.
Speaker 3 (34:17):
Birth to it.
Speaker 14 (34:20):
I hope people watch it and want to I want
to get in touch with family, watch it and want
to like call their mom.
Speaker 13 (34:28):
That would mean a lot to me. Yeah, I hope it.
Speaker 14 (34:34):
Yeah, I hope that it can be something that's like
when you rewatch it, that you'll keep seeing these pieces
that we really carefully put into the beginning.
Speaker 13 (34:46):
Yeah, that you that you wouldn't recognize first watch.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 15 (34:49):
Well, it's just that like some of these relationships we
have in our family are so delicate but like so
strong at the same time and.
Speaker 5 (34:58):
Sort of like just really.
Speaker 15 (35:01):
Appreciating that, like Selene saying, like just like you know,
hugging your mom or your dad or just your brother,
like just like that one second longer.
Speaker 13 (35:10):
Well you chosen family.
Speaker 14 (35:11):
I mean, yeah, I think Ellie at the beginning, you know,
and it's even in the trailer her saying, I'm not
really to telling these people obviously you know now spoilers,
but but yeah, there's there's something, there's something there and
like we we have our family, we also have our
chosen family. We have these people that we choose to
go through life with and making sure that they are,
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you know, totally aware how much they mean to us.
Speaker 3 (35:37):
I love that.
Speaker 1 (35:37):
I can't wait for everybody to see the film exclusively
on Max. Selene and Logan, Thank you very much for
speaking with me.
Speaker 13 (35:46):
Can't wait to check out your podcast.
Speaker 3 (35:48):
Thank you, I appreciate it. Take care.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
Selene out and Logan zors incredibly talented creatives.
Speaker 3 (35:59):
I love them.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
I love their work with Topside and now Kato Lake,
and I can't wait to see what they do next.
All right, We're gonna speak next with Eliza Scanlin.
Speaker 3 (36:12):
She is incredible.
Speaker 4 (36:14):
She kind of broke out in the Australian soap opera
called Home and Away, then in the US and really
then the rest of the world.
Speaker 3 (36:23):
She broke through as a troubled.
Speaker 4 (36:25):
Teenager in the HBO miniseries called Sharp Objects with Amy Adams.
Speaker 3 (36:31):
She played Beth March in Little Women.
Speaker 1 (36:34):
From twenty nineteen, she played fifteen year old Kara and
m knights Old, who was in the incredibly powerful film
The Starling Girl. She played Eleanor Roosevelt in the First
Lady and now she plays Ellie in Kado Lake. Let's
jump right into my interview with Eliza Scanlon.
Speaker 3 (36:54):
How are you.
Speaker 10 (36:56):
I'm good?
Speaker 3 (36:56):
How are you? I'm doing well? Thank you.
Speaker 1 (36:58):
First of all, welcome to ir Radios Pop Culture Weekly.
I appreciate you joining me. Thank you for having me,
of course.
Speaker 3 (37:05):
So first of all, this film is so incredible.
Speaker 1 (37:10):
I love how layered it is, and I'm trying to
be a spoiler free as possible, but I love how
you know there's multiple things going on, if I can
put it that way.
Speaker 3 (37:23):
What drew you to this film?
Speaker 10 (37:28):
I mean, good job on not spoiling anything. It's the
hard one to do with this film. Yeah, what drew
me to the project? I mean, first and foremost, they
think Selena and Logan, the filmmakers drew me to the project.
They are really talented, unique, distinctive filmmakers. And when this
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film arrived in my inbox, I know did a deep dive,
as you always do, on the filmmakers, and I watched
that film top side, and I mean they've made so
much stuff, but top side their film and also their
short film Caroline were two things that blew me away.
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And I just knew, even from seeing their work that
I had to make this thing with them. And then
I read the script. The script was unlike anything i'd
read before. It was straddling two very different, you know, sensibilities.
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I think like you've got, you know, genre mystery with naturalism,
very grounded performances, family drama. So yeah, and I'd never
done a like a kind of a film for where
the plot was so like action driven. So there were
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just like a bunch of things that really excited me
about the project.
Speaker 1 (39:01):
Yeah, I love that, and that's one of the many
reasons that I love watching it. You know, it's just
for all of the reasons you said, and more. As
you're filming, is it hard for you? I asked Dylan
this as well.
Speaker 3 (39:15):
Is it hard for you to.
Speaker 1 (39:19):
Knowing that there's kind of knowing that what we know
as the viewer, as you as an you know, an actor.
Is it hard for you to put certain plot elements
away as you're shooting or are you able to be like, Okay, no,
I'm in the here and now for this scene or
how does that work for you?
Speaker 10 (39:40):
That's a really good question. I remember finding that really
difficult when we were shooting because I mean there were
even moments on set where you know, the people us
who you know should be the one to like know
the thing back to front, and you think you do,
until you know you get to a certainty and you're like, wait,
(40:03):
what am I meant to know right now? And like
what's happened? And who knows who? And yeah, there's kind
of it definitely messed with you a little bit just
keeping track of the story. I did find that really
really difficult. But sometimes you kind of just have to
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throw that all away and be like, Okay, I'm running
down the street. That's that's what I'm doing.
Speaker 1 (40:31):
And you had worked with Night M Night before, who
he's one of my favorites ever, and you had worked
with him in Old How did you come into this?
Was it through M Night?
Speaker 3 (40:45):
Was it before? And he just happened to come in?
How did that work?
Speaker 10 (40:51):
Well, he wasn't part of it initially, but as you know,
Selene and Logan worked with Night on Servant and yeah,
I came onto the project and he learned about the
project and wanted to support it and come on in
a producing capacity, which I believe was the first time
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that he ever did that.
Speaker 3 (41:14):
For somebody else's film, right.
Speaker 10 (41:16):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, and so it was a huge deal.
And yeah, I think it just like really kind of
bolstered the film and to have his kind of wisdom
and guidance in, you know, throughout the production and post
it was. Yeah, it was kind of like a did
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not unexpected serendipitous thing to happen.
Speaker 3 (41:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:41):
I thought that was interesting, especially for you and and
Lauren you know, who of course was on Servant, which
is one of my favorite shows every Yeah. So for you,
you know, you've done such varied work, you know, eleanor Roosevelt,
and you know, and what is it like for you
as an actor? I mean, obviously you get to choose
(42:02):
your roles, but you get a script like this, Is
it ever a conscious thing to be like, well, I've
never done anything in.
Speaker 3 (42:11):
That space before.
Speaker 1 (42:12):
Let me dive in and kind of flex my muscles,
or does it come down just to the script and
the filmmakers for you?
Speaker 3 (42:20):
How do you kind of make that choice?
Speaker 10 (42:25):
I think I'm always looking for things that challenge me,
things that I haven't done before. It's very easy to
quite quickly fall into the type casting trap. And also
I'm sort of I'm at an age where I can
play still play roles that are quite young, but I'm
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also reaching a stage where I'm i can play characters
that are a bit older. So I'm just constantly looking
for Yeah, sometimes it's it's like, because I'm twenty five now,
Sometimes you're like, how many times can I play a
coming of age film when I'm twenty five? But you know,
(43:11):
I just think it comes down to the story and
if it's if it's trying to do something different, and
if it feels like it's exploring, you know, a facet
of yourself that you haven't quite you know, exploriat or
if it's like, if it's scary, that's usually an indicator
to do it. But yeah, yeah, I mean I'm doing it.
(43:33):
Was about to do a play that's a comedy and
I don't really do comedies, and I'm a bit l
uh oh, but it'll be it'll be great because if
it's scary, that means it's the right thing.
Speaker 1 (43:45):
To be doing, right And I know that you mean
scary as in, you know, out of my comfort zone immediately.
But as a huge horror fan, are you are you
like a genre fan? Are you a horror or obviously
I wouldn't call this horror. But but are you a
horror fan?
Speaker 10 (44:06):
I'm not, Okay, I I am weak. I don't really.
I mean I feel like there obviously there's such a
huge horror fan base, and horror is what keeps you know,
movie theaters alive. And but I think like the horror
(44:31):
genre is totally expanding, which is really cool. And it's like,
I guess like there was probably a day, you know,
probably five years ago if you told if you ask
me whether I like horror, I'd be like, no, I
don't like horror. But I feel like I've had a
I've learned more about the genre, and I yeah, I
(44:53):
just feel like there's some really interesting things happening in
horror at the moment. So I certainly something I want
to explore, that's for.
Speaker 3 (45:01):
Sure, okay. Uh.
Speaker 1 (45:03):
And I love that, you know, as a horror fan
and as a testament to what you're saying, you know,
there are serious filmmakers that are you know, exploring in
horror and kind of pushing the boundaries as creators and actors.
Speaker 3 (45:18):
And you know, the whole teams of what horror means.
Speaker 1 (45:21):
And then you have all these kind of genre bending
films and and creators like M Knight, who kind of
you know, towes so many lines between so many genres
that in many ways it's become you know, of course
there's horror horror, but in many ways it's there's a
blurb between many of those.
Speaker 3 (45:39):
Things, you know.
Speaker 10 (45:41):
Yeah, for sure, for sure. And I think that's probably why.
I mean, like straight horror is probably not something I'm
like immediately drawn to, but like you're saying, the sort
of genre bending stuff, I think it's really cool and like,
you know, it's that's where I like slain logo comes in,
you know, doing some really interesting stuff that I don't
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think has been really quite done before.
Speaker 1 (46:08):
So yeah, yeah, I could see you in Like have
you have you seen the others with Nicole Kidman?
Speaker 10 (46:16):
No? I haven't.
Speaker 1 (46:17):
Oh you got to watch it. Like who would think
Nicole Kidman of all people is like in a horror
movie and it is a horror movie, but it's Nicole Kidman.
But it's kind of like that genre bending you know,
but it's so cool and her performance is so elevated
and it just I feel like brings the genre up
for everybody.
Speaker 3 (46:35):
You know.
Speaker 10 (46:36):
Oh, I'm such a big Nicole Kidman fan.
Speaker 3 (46:39):
Yeah, you got to check it out.
Speaker 14 (46:40):
Oh.
Speaker 10 (46:41):
I think she's so cool and she does like I
don't know, I just think she does. She's not She's
open to everything and anything and takes risks, and that
doesn't surprise me that she's done a full blown horror film.
Speaker 3 (46:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (46:57):
Yeah, Well, and for you for this film, you know,
I had I lost my mom three years ago to cancer.
This film is in many ways. I was talking to
the filmmakers and Logan was saying he had lost his
mom in the journey with this project. So much of
this film for me as a viewer, is about grief
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and what we do with that grief and that journey
and how you know, my grief journey of losing my
mom is different than Logan's with his mom and different,
you know, it's also individualistic. What do you think the
essence of codder Lake is.
Speaker 10 (47:39):
Yeah, I totally understand what you're saying about the grief journey.
Everybody has their own journey that and it looks different
for everyone. And I think for Ellie, she's you know,
she's had to grieve, you know, her dad not being
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in her life from a very young age, and that's
something that she has to confront again and again, and yeah,
and also she has as a result of that, she
has such a fraught relationship with her mother and they
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have hurt each other in a lot of ways. And
I you know, and I think that's also a huge
part of grief, is that in you know, when you
lose someone people, it's very easy to you know, like
carry that that the weight to that loss, and use
that as ammunition to hurt other people. I think that
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this this film is you know, trying to explore the
life that your parents had before you were born, and
you know, the people that they were before you existed.
And I think also it's a film about forgiveness too.
(49:08):
And yeah, I just think probably what people I hope
people take away from the film is like, yeah, finding
finding a place in their hearts to forgive. And I
think it's obviously very hard to especially family can be
(49:30):
so complicated that Yeah, I think it's like the ending
is quite hopeful and it's like the beginning of a
journey of like forgiveness in within Ellie's family. So yeah,
it's quite a grounded, you know, like theme to take
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away from the film.
Speaker 3 (49:56):
I love that.
Speaker 1 (49:57):
Thank you so much for speaking with me. I cannot
wait for everybody to see Kato Lake exclusively on Max.
Speaker 3 (50:04):
Eliza, thank you, thank you so much, of course you too,
Eliza Scanln. What she does in Kado Lake is incredible.
Speaker 4 (50:14):
I mean, she's an incredible actress anyway, but I really really,
you gotta watch.
Speaker 3 (50:22):
It, and you gotta watch her performance. She's just so good.
Speaker 1 (50:26):
All Right, last, but not least, for the show, I
am once again the incredible Dylan O'Brien returns. He was
last on the show in twenty twenty.
Speaker 4 (50:36):
Two to talk about the Hulu film Not Okay that
he started, but in case you needed a reminder, he
kind of broke through with Style Stelenski in the MTV
series teen Wolf, and of course he was the lead
in the Maze Runner trilogy. It was Bumblebee in the
Transformers film Bumblebee. And he's done an incredible amount of
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work everywhere else, from playing in pony Boy, he plays
dan Aykroyd right now and Saturday Night, and he's won
so many awards, So let's just bring him back right.
Speaker 3 (51:12):
Now, Dylan O'Brien.
Speaker 1 (51:15):
So, first of all, Dylan, welcome back to iHeartRadio's pop
culture weekly. I appreciate you hanging out with me.
Speaker 16 (51:22):
Oh yeah, here before.
Speaker 3 (51:24):
You have It's all good.
Speaker 1 (51:28):
It was yeah, it was last year for for a
film you did and uh what uh it was? Oh
my god, you had blonde hair. I'm totally drawing a blank.
Speaker 9 (51:41):
Oh shit, Okay, ago a couple of years ago.
Speaker 3 (51:45):
Was it that long?
Speaker 4 (51:46):
It's not?
Speaker 3 (51:46):
Okay, not okay, thank you.
Speaker 1 (51:49):
There you go, and now you're back for this. So
I appreciate you. Uh, I appreciate your time. But so
first of all, congratulations on the project.
Speaker 3 (51:59):
It is.
Speaker 1 (52:01):
You know, it's really great. You know, it's a genre
bending film that I'm in love with it. I wondered
what drew you to it?
Speaker 16 (52:15):
So many things. First of all, thanks, really appreciate it.
Speaker 9 (52:21):
I guess I'll start with Celine and Logan, the filmmakers
they were.
Speaker 16 (52:27):
They had sort of this eclectic array of these really.
Speaker 9 (52:30):
Dynamic short films that I was kind of sent a
few years ago, four or four years ago now, I
think it was twenty twenty, and I just thought that
they were so gifted and I wanted to meet with them.
So we kind of just like zoomed generally, and I
really like dug their vibe and their passion and their sensibility.
(52:52):
And a year later, maybe even less like eight or
nine months later, they like sent me this project. Usually,
like you take those general meetings and then it's even
if you like vibe with someone, it's like so rare
that something comes of it. They like followed up and
like sent me this script. And the first thing that
I opened was sort.
Speaker 16 (53:11):
Of a.
Speaker 9 (53:13):
Some footage that they had gone down to Cato Lake
and shot with their TP and it so the first
thing that I opened up was this stunning shot of
this lake that I'd never seen before, and I was like,
what the fuck is this place? And the sounds were
so I just was immediately sort of like wow, what
(53:34):
a cinematic element, you know, to set something in. And
then I dove into the scripts from there and I
just really I was really drawn in by the grounded
nature to the characters and the way that they were written,
in the way that the world was built. And it
was sort of this family drama dripping with like a
(53:59):
little cot of mystery and sort of like spins into
this heightened you know, sort of like uses a divisive
kind of like you know, supernatural element to kind.
Speaker 16 (54:13):
Of round out that story.
Speaker 9 (54:15):
The family drama ultimately about really about loss, love and family,
and you know, I thought that was just fantastic.
Speaker 1 (54:24):
Yeah, I was talking to the filmmakers yesterday and they
said that this all started from a photo they saw
on Reddit, which I think is incredible and then spun
into this.
Speaker 3 (54:37):
And speaking with Logan, he had lost his mom and
I had lost my mom.
Speaker 1 (54:42):
So we were, you know, talking about that and how
it turned into this piece for him on his end,
that that was about this profound grief that you know,
they were able to make, like turn this into something
that he was able to channel his grief through as
(55:03):
as you know.
Speaker 3 (55:04):
As the project happened. I do find it super.
Speaker 1 (55:08):
Interesting the and I'm trying to be as spoiler free
as possible the back and forth if you obviously you
know what I mean. But but how how was that
for you as an actor to be able to kind
of know that these story wise, these two things are
going on. Is is it hard for you to kind
(55:30):
of keep those How do I say it? Is it
hard for you to kind of organize those in your
mind as an actor? Or does it kind of muddy
the waters a bit?
Speaker 9 (55:42):
You know what it's And I'm gonna be careful too.
That's really hard. Uh, it's it's it's one of those
things you just at the beginning of the movie, I
was like, you know what, I need to put this
out of my head and trust Selene and Logan. That's
(56:03):
at the end of the day, like they're tracking everything.
I think if I if I try to sort of
be overly conscious about how these sort of intertwining like
narratives link, I think it would strip away a lot
(56:24):
of the grounded and like naturalistic nature that the film really.
Speaker 16 (56:31):
Runs on. At the end of the day. It's fueled
by this.
Speaker 9 (56:37):
Authentic sort of sense of realism and the spirit of
this community and this environment. And I think I just
needed to sort of like as my character would, right,
we're real people in these you know what become very
extraordinary circumstances. And I believe that just sort of staying
(57:01):
grounded and honest in that was like the recipe that
the the ingredients, the ingredients that the recipe required, like
for the film, I cass and sort of just trusting
Selena and Logan's sensibility to handle the rest and and
to make sure that the that the narratives were were
(57:23):
cohesive and sinking and and yeah, I.
Speaker 16 (57:27):
Guess that's the thought on that.
Speaker 3 (57:30):
Okay, I love that.
Speaker 1 (57:31):
And finally I'm a huge film buff obviously, and I
love M Night is one of my favorites. He was
a producer on on the film. What was that like
for you? You know, you're a film buff yourself, what
was that like for you? You know, to be involved
with like, you know, I just feel like everything he
touches is for me, like so like amazing, you know.
Speaker 3 (57:54):
How was that for you?
Speaker 9 (57:56):
Well? He was what a what a great chance in
to have come in and support these filmmakers, you know,
So I just think he's somebody who I agree with you.
Speaker 16 (58:08):
I see everything MNET does.
Speaker 1 (58:12):
You know.
Speaker 9 (58:13):
I love that he self finances and you know, really
believes in, you know, autonomy for a filmmaker. And so
when we were sort of attached to this script and
sort of about to take it out to financiers, because
(58:35):
that's kind of how it came together, you know, Selene
and Logan got hired to do a couple of episodes
on his show, and he just fell in love with
them because they're so infectious and talented and you know, passionate,
and he just begged to know like what was next
for them, if they had anything in the pipeline, if
(58:56):
they'd written anything, and they they gave him this, and
he was like, I want to finance this. I want
to help you guys make this, you know. So it
was sort of like incredible news. We were like just
about to take the movie out as like an independent
feature with Eliza and I attached, and we immediately got
financing from m Night. It was going to be and
(59:18):
it was I'm pretty certain of the first project that
he financed outside of one of his own directorial efforts.
And just what a gift to have that type of producer,
you know, in the kitchen, right because I think the
main concern would be, particularly with these like talented filmmakers,
(59:39):
would be like, Okay, well, hopefully we don't end up
somewhere where they're being really micromanaged.
Speaker 16 (59:44):
You know, or like we're not you know.
Speaker 9 (59:47):
Being allowed to take the swing ultimately that we creatively
want to be.
Speaker 16 (59:51):
Taking, you know.
Speaker 9 (59:52):
So it was really great to have such a seasoned
filmmaker in his own right come on as a producer, sir,
and be there to support these young and gifted filmmakers,
you know, and and let with you know, sometimes the
best support is is space, you know, sort of like
(01:00:15):
allowing them to you know, flourish and then setting the
environment for them and giving them the resources they need
and then like go, you know, do what you guys
do and and you.
Speaker 16 (01:00:24):
Know, get out there, evolve, learn, you know what I mean.
Speaker 9 (01:00:27):
It's going to be the the biggest feature that they've
done yet. And but they're they're so fantastic and and
you know, they grew a lot throughout the shoot, you know,
like we all do every time out, you know, And yeah,
it was great.
Speaker 16 (01:00:41):
Happy to m night as as our champion for that.
Speaker 3 (01:00:44):
I love that.
Speaker 1 (01:00:44):
Dylan, thank you so much for speaking with me. I
can't wait for everybody to see it, Uh so I
can talk about it first of all.
Speaker 16 (01:00:52):
Yeah, yeah, for sure, I really we really care a
lot about this one.
Speaker 9 (01:00:55):
So yeah, I really appreciate your questions and your passion
for it. And yeah, spread the word. I hope, you know,
people check it out. I hope it catches a little.
Speaker 1 (01:01:04):
Bit of fire, you know, absolutely, brother, thank you man,
I really appreciate it.
Speaker 16 (01:01:08):
Jeers, thank you.
Speaker 3 (01:01:09):
Have a great day.
Speaker 1 (01:01:10):
Dylan O'Brien, thanks of course to Dylan and everybody else
who came and talked to me. Kato Lake is out
right now on Max.
Speaker 4 (01:01:22):
I highly recommend the film, and Teacup is out right
now on Peacock. I highly recommend that series. Let me
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