February 21, 2025 • 26 mins
Join me, Kyle McMahon, on Pop Culture Weekly as we explore the highly anticipated horror film, "The Monkey," an adaptation of Stephen King's chilling short story. This episode features insightful conversations with the film's talented team, including writer-director Osgood Perkins and stars Theo James and Rohan Campbell.
Listen in as we unravel the film's thematic depth, exploring its portrayal of intergenerational trauma and father-son dynamics, while also sharing exclusive insights from the cast and crew.This episode promises a thrilling discussion for fans of Stephen King's work and horror enthusiasts alike. We dive into the unsettling allure of the monkey character and the unique horror experience the film provides. And be sure to catch "The Monkey" in theaters for its full impact.
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Listen in as we unravel the film's thematic depth, exploring its portrayal of intergenerational trauma and father-son dynamics, while also sharing exclusive insights from the cast and crew.This episode promises a thrilling discussion for fans of Stephen King's work and horror enthusiasts alike. We dive into the unsettling allure of the monkey character and the unique horror experience the film provides. And be sure to catch "The Monkey" in theaters for its full impact.
Kyle McMahon's Death, Grief & Other Sh*t We Don't Discuss is now streaming: https://www.deathandgrief.show/Chapter-One-The-Diagnosis-AKA-WTF/
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
In this episode of pop Culture Weekly, it's all about
the brand new horror film The Monkey. I talk with
THEO James, director, writer osgood parkins end star.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
I talk with star THEO.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
James and Rowan Campbell and writer director osgood Perkins.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Let's go.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
Welcome to pop Culture Weekly with Kyle McMahon from iHeartRadio,
your pop culture news, views, reviews and celebrity interviews on
all the movies, TV, music and pomp culture you crave weekly.
Here's Kyle McMahon.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Nett nana no, nett na na no, Hello and welcome
the pop Culture Weekly with Kyle McMahon. I of course
am Kyle McMahon, and I thank you as always for
joining me once again for another episode of pop Culture Weekly.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
I'm really excited about.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
This episode because we are diving in to one of
the most anticipated horror films of the year, if not
my most anticipated.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
The Monkey.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
I talk with the stars Rowan Campbell and THEO James,
as well as Osgoode Perkins, who is the writer director.
So The Monkey, if you don't know yet, is based
on Stephen King's chilling short story. It's a new adaptation
and people are already talking about you know how creepy
(01:35):
the trailers are, but we're gonna talk about the film.
We're gonna talk to the stars, and it's all about
the monkey.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
So all right.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
So if you love Stephen King's work, creepy, cursed objects
or psychological horror, you're in for a treat this episode,
or maybe maybe a nightmare. The Monkey was originally published
in nineteen eighty as a short story in Gallery magazine. Eventually,
Stephen King put it in his nineteen eighty five short
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story collection called Skeleton Crew.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
And let me tell you, if.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
You've read the short story, this is one of those
stories that just lingers in your mind long after you
finish it.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
It's very creepy. So what's the premise, right, It's simple.
It follows two brothers, Hall and Bill, who discovered.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
This old wind up symbol clapping monkey in their parents' attic.
You would think that's cute, right, but this is Stephen King,
so you'd be wrong. Every time the monkey claps, it
symbols somebody dies. And we're not just talking about like
they you know, natural causes like a heart attack or something.
It's like gruesome, often unexplained events, deaths, and then years
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later they had thought that they'd rid themselves of it,
but guess what, Hal finds it again and the death
startup once more. So the short story itself is classic
Stephen King psychological terror, supernatural dread, and the Monkey taps
into that primal fear that we all have, right that
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something as innocent as a toy can become this horrible instrument.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Of the death.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
So now all these years later that was what eighty five,
So forty years later, I'm bad at math. I think
forty years later you can fact check me. But we
have The Monkey hitting theaters. So it's directed by Osgood Perkins.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
Who I love.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
He is the mind behind Gretel and Hansel, which is
seriously underrated. You know, if you're a horror fan or
just want a creepy movie, Gretel and Hansel is it.
And he also is behind I Am the Pretty Things
That Lives in the House, which is a Netflix original horror,
really great, and it's produced by James Wan and Jason Bloom,
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who I freaking love both of them, so you know
you're in for some top tier scary stuff. The Monkey
the movie is a little bit different and that instead
of the symbols that the Monkey plays it's the drums
because there was a copyright issue. Apparently Disney owns the
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trademark or copyright for a monkey playing symbols on film.
So instead Osgod turned it around and the monkey plays
on a drum, which is maybe even creepier because it's
almost this like tribal beat. You know, it's really effective.
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The film itself, which you can see my review up
on TikTok and Instagram, Facebook, and YouTube my video review.
But to give you you know, my take here the monkey.
The film is insanely outrageous in a good way. It
is actually really darkly funny, Like I was not expecting
(05:15):
it to be funny. I don't know what I thought
going in, but it is funny. It is darkly funny,
and at some points I'm like, am I a sicko
for even laughing at this? But that's kind of the point, right,
I Mean, it's all outrageous and insane and it's it's
(05:35):
an awesome movie.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
I love Osgood Perkins Long Legs.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
He did Long Legs last year, which was one of
my favorites of last year.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
It just puts you in that creepy space.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
Like it's just uncomfortable unsettling and Long Legs was just
executed amazingly, and Nicholas Cage was a freaking freak.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Show in that movie.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
But as I mentioned earlier, he also did Gretel and
Hansel I Am the Pretty Things that Live in the House.
He's had a great career thus far, and this, you know,
is right along those lines, except it's not a lot
of his other movies are a little bit more subtle
and maybe you know, a little slow burning. This is,
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you know, I would say, this is not slow burning
in that kind of traditional Osgood Perkins way. It's more
in your face out there, you know, hits your right
in the head in.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Some points, some people are in the head, if you
get what I mean.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
But it is awesome. I absolutely loved it. People in
the theaters were laughing, they were screaming at the appropriate parts.
It's just an awesome, awesome movie. And I was it
was my most looked forward to, my most looked forward to.
It was the movie I was most looking forward to
(06:56):
this year, the horror movie, and it I'm definitely I
was not disappointed by any stretch of the imagination.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
It is awesome. So if you have the chance, go
see it.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
In theaters because seeing it on that big screen with
the incredible audio mix and the soundtrack, it's just all
done so well that go see it in the theater,
it's definitely worth your watch. So we're gonna kick things
off on the interview side with Rowan Campbell, my buddy.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
I love Rowan. He is.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
Rowan's an actor who has been making waves in both
television and film.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
He's got this screen presence that's just I love him.
I love his work.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
He recently starred as Corey Cunningham and Halloween Ends, which
was awesome, and I loved his role in that. It
was very much not a red herring. I don't know
what the word I'm looking for is very much a
I don't know, let me.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
Know you, let me know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
But it was very much a cool character in Halloween
Ends and kind of did a lot for that trilogy
of films, turned its head, turned it on its head
a little bit that I wasn't expecting.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
So I really enjoyed that.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
I really enjoyed him in that, and Rowan has been
just steadily building an awesome career across various genres. But
I interviewed him originally for The Hardy Boys on Hulu.
So I'll have that interview linked in the show notes
if you want to go back and hear me speak
with him on that. But he played Frank Hardy in
(08:35):
Hulu's modern adaptation of that classic detective series, and he
was very charming and intelligent and just had some cool,
fresh energy for the series. I already talked about that
he was in Halloween Ends, and he was. That character
was very started a lot of discussion among horror fans
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and especially obviously Halloween fans, which I think is awesome
for Row and that you know, he got to do that,
and also for you Sabrina Carpenter fans. He played her
beloved boyfriend in her music video for Taste, which is cool.
So all right, without further ado, let's talk with the
row in Campbell.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
How you doing, bro, I'm good, dude. How are you?
I'm doing well? Thank you? So great to see you again.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
You too, man, you too, I'm happy, you know, I'm
so happy to see you in The Monkey. I mean,
first of all, the Monkey was incredible. You know I
told you that.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
Why Why was this something that you wanted to do?
Oh man?
Speaker 4 (09:36):
A never ending list of reasons Stephen King is one
of my favorites. Uh. What a what a niche outlook
on the world, what a what a poet of nightmares. Also,
the script just blew my mind, like it was so
perfectly funny and scary and ridiculous, and again, what an
insane outlook in the world.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
And I just thought, I gotta, I gotta do this.
Speaker 4 (09:59):
And then I just fell in love with the character,
like it's such a such a good opportunity to sort
of disappear into something.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Yeah, quite quite literally. Actually you so what that was
that your hair? Or what was that a wig? What
was we wait, we wigged me out?
Speaker 3 (10:14):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (10:15):
Yeah, we threw a wig.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
On me.
Speaker 4 (10:17):
And uh, I remember when I first thought it on me,
and Oz just cracked up, like it was just so funny. Uh,
and we were like, we gotta do this, it's so ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
Uh and uh.
Speaker 4 (10:30):
And then there's that moment where you meet my mom
and she's got the same haircut, and yeah, it's so ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
That's one of the things that you know, I love
about I mean, first of all, it's it is terrifying.
Even the concept of the film is kind of terrifying.
And then it is so over the top, but in
an awesome way. You know what I'm saying, Like it's
done so well, it's it's it's ridiculous in the best
(10:57):
way possible. And what I mean that is it's it
does it purposefully and with intention, and that kind of
kind of balances out the kind of terrifyingness terrifyingness, uh,
you know, the uh terrifyingness or whatever of what's happening
in the story. And and it's such a masterful, full
(11:19):
balance between I was so pleasantly surprised at how funny
it is. You know, it's so darkly humorous and uh,
and it just strikes such a great balance between you know,
all of the things.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
And I love that about it.
Speaker 4 (11:34):
Yeah, he's got he just dialed it in. He's got
such a control on that tone in those levels.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
And so as you're doing this, you know you've done
you know, the Halloween franchise, another one of my favorites.
As you're doing kind of these projects that have this
you know, storied history and fan base and you know
Stephen King short story from Stephen King, like this is
some some big, heavy hitting, uh stuff in the pop
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culture world. Do you are you able to separate that
as you go to film, or is that kind of
in the back of your mind, like, shit, this is
I think you're.
Speaker 4 (12:14):
Always sort of shitting yourself. I think it's just like
what are you gonna let somebody else do it? Mmm?
I love It's like it's like why not? It means
the world to me, this stuff. It's something that you know,
I I grew up reading and I grew up in it.
I love horror films and I'm such a fan. It
was like, you know, I feel well equlipped equipped to
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go in and try and write a little love letter
to this this this man's mind, you know. And that's
how this movie feels to me. It's like I just like,
as I was prepping the character, I was like, I
just want to make Stephen King see his nightmares in
front of him and and and that that that humor
that he's got.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
That's so dope.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
I I think I'm the type of person i'd be like,
oh my God, like I gotta, you know, I gotta.
I think I would feel so much pressure where it's
actually a really cool and refreshing, you know, point of view,
to be like I should be able to do it
you know what I mean, who can do it better?
Speaker 2 (13:10):
I'm going to do it and make them proud, you know.
I love that.
Speaker 4 (13:14):
Yeah, And I mean it's not even like so much
you can do it better. It's just like, might as
well give it a shot. If someone's that me to
do it, I'm gonna try so hard.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
So yeah, what do you as a fan of horror?
You know, I'm a huge horror fan. I know you're
a huge horror fan. As a fan of horror, what
do you think people will get out of this once?
Speaker 2 (13:34):
You know, once it hits theaters?
Speaker 4 (13:36):
Man, this is a hard question. There's so much you
can get out of this movie, and Oz does such
a good job of tying up the thought. But you know,
sort of the unexpectedness and cruelty and an unfairness of
death personified in this toy monkey that's controlling it, you know,
and and that urge to sort of fight it and
(13:58):
find your way out of it. It's amazing message. But
also I just want to just a good fucking.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
Time at the movies. Man.
Speaker 4 (14:07):
I just want people to go have a good time
at the movies.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
That's what I want.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
I love that I think that they will, I know,
I enjoyed it so much. I had to check with
you know, publicity to make sure. I'm like, am I
allowed to talk about this yet? Because I need to
talk about this.
Speaker 5 (14:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
They're like, yeah, just no spoiler. So now now I'm like,
you know, shouting from the rooftops. You got to see
in February twenty first February twenty you know, I mean, so,
so this monkey comes in your life?
Speaker 2 (14:35):
You know, how would you handle it? Mm?
Speaker 4 (14:40):
Similarly, I think this it's such This is a crazy sentence.
It's such an insane.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
Plot and topic that.
Speaker 4 (14:50):
Unravels so logically, and I think that's very You can
you can empathize with what the characters do in this situation.
But who knows, maybe the monkey is in all of
our lives.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
Thanks Royan. Now I'm gonna be like searching my adit
your attic, man, my brother, Thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
You're a joy to watch, You're a joy to talk to,
and I can't wait for everybody to see the monkey
or the man buddy.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
Thank you, dude, It's so good to see you. Kay
you as well talk soon, all right? Man, enjoyed the
day you too.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
Rowan Campbell such a great guy. I really do love him,
love his work, and he's just an awesome person, you know,
besides being an awesome artist.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
He's an awesome person too. So love Rowan.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
Can't wait to see what he does next, can't wait
for you to see him in The Monkey.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
All right, we're gonna take a quick break to pay
the bills.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
When we come back, we're gonna talk with THEO James
and I was Good Perkins, see you back here in sixty.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
All right.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
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Speaker 2 (16:14):
So thank you.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
So we're rolling on with all things the Monkey this episode,
and next up, I'm talking with THEO James and Osgood Perkins.
So I've talked a little bit about both of them before,
but just to give you a little bit.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
More in depth.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
You know, really, when it comes to horror, there are
few directors who capture like eerie, unsettling atmospheres quite like
Osgood Perkins. And when you pair that with the undeniable
screen presence of THEO James, you've got a dynamic that
is well worth your time. Osgoode is kind of known
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for a slow burning, psychological approach to horror. It's very
thoughtful and what he does.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
I think.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
He's also the son of psychostar Anthony Perkins, by the way,
so he grew up surrounded by the genre and he's
found his own unique space in modern horror.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
Today.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
He has done, as I talked about before, Gretel and Hansel.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
Which is beautiful.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
It's visually stunning, and it's like a horror inspired take
on the Hansel and Gretel fairy tale, definitely reimagines it.
He also did I Am the Pretty Thing that Lives
in the House, which is a ghost story that has
a lot to do with like dread and isolation. And
that's what I mean when I say a lot of
his work deals with these kind of bigger issues, whether
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subtly or unsubtly, I guess unsubtly whatever. The Black Coat's
Daughter is this very atmospheric, very eerie, chilling horror film
that blends psychological terror with supernatural stuff, well worth your
time as well. And then of course Long Legs that
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came out last year, which is one of my favorites
of last year, and oh my God, Long Legs is
just insane and Nicholas Cage is just an insane person
in that role. So os Oz Good is all about,
you know, kind of these slow building, eerie, unsettling visuals
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and these stories that kind of linger, you know, after
the movie's over, you're kind of thinking about them later.
With The Monkey, he's taking on Stephen King's classic short story,
and so it's a really cool. It's really cool to
see Oz do something that you know is based on
somebody else's work.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
And THEO James.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
THEO James is an actor who you know, really kind
of blew up with his role as Four in the
Divergent movie franchise series, but since then he's been kind
of breaking out in all kinds of different genres, including
Cameron Sullivan in The White Lotus season two, The Time
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Traveler's Wife, and The Gentleman, and he is amazing in
this He plays a dual role and it's it's pretty insane,
but he does a great job with it.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
So in any of it, let's.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
Jump right into my interview with Osgod Perkins and THEO James.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
Thank you both so much for joining me.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
I really appreciate it, and I'm measure First of all,
I love the Monkey.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
I had to ask publicity earlier. I was like, am
I allowed to talk about it? Yeah? And they were like, yeah,
just no spoilers.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
So I've been like dying for everybody to see it
because it's just so great.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
So congratulations to both the vo on that oz.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
Why you know, why did you end up choosing this
project as your as your next next project?
Speaker 5 (19:51):
The project chose me, right, it was it was an assignment,
you know, and that makes it sound like homework would
and it was really the opposite.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
Right.
Speaker 5 (19:59):
It's just unbelievable golden ticket opportunity to work off of
the great author, to sort of play in his sandbox
and all that he's brought to the genre, into the world,
and to just just to entertainment in general. Right, Stephen
King has created so much viable, everlasting entertainment, whether it's
horror stuff or it's shash Ank redemption, like everything in between.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
Right, Like this is the guy.
Speaker 5 (20:25):
So to be able to sort of snuggle up to
a master is a real privilege. And then on top
of it, you know, it comes with this image. It
comes with this image of this toy monkey, which for
whatever reason is uncanny to the human eye, like we
for whatever reason, anytime you see this thing, there's something
off putting about it.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
You kind of can't wrap your head around it.
Speaker 5 (20:47):
So, you know, as a as a writer facing the
blank page, it's nice to kind of have these big
leg ups Stephen King and this monkey's face.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
I love that, and THEO similarly, you know what attracted
to you about the monkey the film.
Speaker 6 (21:04):
Well, Oz, I'm very attracted to that monkey too.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
I mean, osboy here. I was a fan of his.
Speaker 6 (21:12):
I'd seen his work, we had worked together a little
bit developing something in the past.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
I knew how good a writer in a directory was.
Speaker 6 (21:20):
And then that, you know, coupled with a piece of iconic,
ip iconic literature from Stephen King, and then the chance
to play two very different characters in a horror comedy,
and beneath it there's there's some real meat to it.
You know that there's a real sadness and melancholy about
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fathers and sons and intergenerational trauma. As pretentious as it
sounds to say that, but it's true. So as an actor,
you had the fun of it on the page, but
you also had some meat beneath it to gobble up.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
I've got to say that as you were doing the narration,
I was thinking in the theater, and I'm like, it's
a cross between like a nineteen forties radio announcer.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
And like a sex line operator. And I was like, that.
Speaker 5 (22:12):
Sweet spot, It's like a really fine line exactly.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
I was oddly horrified and intrigued at the same times.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
So congratulations on that.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
And for you when you're doing these kind of dual roles,
and similarly, I'll ask you, Oz, but how do you
approach that as an actor? It's got to be difficult,
in my opinion, to kind of you're playing two very
different people in the same film. How do you approach that?
Speaker 6 (22:45):
Well, I think from the get go we Oz and
I didn't want to just rely on mannerisms or specific
kinks or something little ticks that maybe the characters have,
because we thought that that might cheapen it. We wanted
to make it simple, but make them, you know, incredibly different.
You feel as an actor when you read a script
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if you can play it or not. You know, when
I was in my youth, I would pretend that I
could play anything, but in reality now, but old you
know the stuff you could play and you know the
stuff that you can't, and so you feel connected and
you understand bits of the character and you empathize with
bits of the character. Beyond that, you find little anchors,
you know, for example, in costume design, we were talking
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with a costume designer with Oz and we were talking
about the jacket. It seems like a small thing, but
Oz was very keen on him having Originally it was
going to be kind of a rain jacket, didn't quite
work for a camera. But then what he said was
an anchor for me. He wanted how to have a
kind of shell, like a very thin shell, like a
like a like a snail, that he always needed something
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to protect him from the dangers of the outside world.
And that is an interesting anchor as an actor which
you can can build from. And then with with Bill,
his brother, he was realizing that he was just a
little scared boy, and that made me feel for him
and kind of understand him. So you look for those
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little pointers to kind of drill.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
Into I love that. Thank you both so much. That's
my time.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
I can't wait for everybody to see the Monkey. It
is so enjoyable. Thank you, Thank you as Good Perkins
and THEO James. I've got to say, I mean you
heard me say I'm not normally like this, but THEO James.
When I literally was listening to his kind of narration
in The Monkey, it's like this weird mix between like
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this radio announcer from like the forties or fifties or something,
and like a sex line operator. And I was oddly,
oddly into it and horrified all at the same time.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
Weird. Now I have confusing feelings.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
Thank you THEO an event, great actor, great director, writer
with Oz Good. I love The Monkey so much, and
I think you will too. If you're any kind of
fan of horror or psychological drama or even you know, comedy,
it would be a very very dark comedy. But it
is just an awesome horror movie. I will give you
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a little warning that it goes there, so you know,
don't expect a lot to be left to your imagination.
There's gore, and so if you're not into that, just
be prepared to close your eyes a few times. I
had to for a couple of parts that I was like,
oh my god, but it's great.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
The Monkey is awesome.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
It is out in theaters now, and I hope that
you go and see the Monkey in theaters. What do
you think? Let me know if you see it. I
want to talk about it. You can see my review
up on TikTok, YouTube, Instagram, Facebook, all of the things.
Let's discuss the monkey, all right. I love you, see
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you next episode.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
We thank you for listening to Pop Culture Weekly. Here
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Speaker 6 (26:14):
The monkey is.
Speaker 4 (26:20):
It's cause me the monk.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
Looks the monkey.
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What jesus me?
Speaker 2 (26:36):
The monkey is a scary one?
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Is cl
In this episode of pop Culture Weekly, it's all about
the brand new horror film The Monkey. I talk with
THEO James, director, writer osgood parkins end star.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
I talk with star THEO.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
James and Rowan Campbell and writer director osgood Perkins.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Let's go.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
Welcome to pop Culture Weekly with Kyle McMahon from iHeartRadio,
your pop culture news, views, reviews and celebrity interviews on
all the movies, TV, music and pomp culture you crave weekly.
Here's Kyle McMahon.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Nett nana no, nett na na no, Hello and welcome
the pop Culture Weekly with Kyle McMahon. I of course
am Kyle McMahon, and I thank you as always for
joining me once again for another episode of pop Culture Weekly.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
I'm really excited about.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
This episode because we are diving in to one of
the most anticipated horror films of the year, if not
my most anticipated.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
The Monkey.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
I talk with the stars Rowan Campbell and THEO James,
as well as Osgoode Perkins, who is the writer director.
So The Monkey, if you don't know yet, is based
on Stephen King's chilling short story. It's a new adaptation
and people are already talking about you know how creepy
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the trailers are, but we're gonna talk about the film.
We're gonna talk to the stars, and it's all about
the monkey.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
So all right.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
So if you love Stephen King's work, creepy, cursed objects
or psychological horror, you're in for a treat this episode,
or maybe maybe a nightmare. The Monkey was originally published
in nineteen eighty as a short story in Gallery magazine. Eventually,
Stephen King put it in his nineteen eighty five short
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story collection called Skeleton Crew.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
And let me tell you, if.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
You've read the short story, this is one of those
stories that just lingers in your mind long after you
finish it.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
It's very creepy. So what's the premise, right, It's simple.
It follows two brothers, Hall and Bill, who discovered.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
This old wind up symbol clapping monkey in their parents' attic.
You would think that's cute, right, but this is Stephen King,
so you'd be wrong. Every time the monkey claps, it
symbols somebody dies. And we're not just talking about like
they you know, natural causes like a heart attack or something.
It's like gruesome, often unexplained events, deaths, and then years
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later they had thought that they'd rid themselves of it,
but guess what, Hal finds it again and the death
startup once more. So the short story itself is classic
Stephen King psychological terror, supernatural dread, and the Monkey taps
into that primal fear that we all have, right that
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something as innocent as a toy can become this horrible instrument.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Of the death.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
So now all these years later that was what eighty five,
So forty years later, I'm bad at math. I think
forty years later you can fact check me. But we
have The Monkey hitting theaters. So it's directed by Osgood Perkins.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
Who I love.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
He is the mind behind Gretel and Hansel, which is
seriously underrated. You know, if you're a horror fan or
just want a creepy movie, Gretel and Hansel is it.
And he also is behind I Am the Pretty Things
That Lives in the House, which is a Netflix original horror,
really great, and it's produced by James Wan and Jason Bloom,
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who I freaking love both of them, so you know
you're in for some top tier scary stuff. The Monkey
the movie is a little bit different and that instead
of the symbols that the Monkey plays it's the drums
because there was a copyright issue. Apparently Disney owns the
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trademark or copyright for a monkey playing symbols on film.
So instead Osgod turned it around and the monkey plays
on a drum, which is maybe even creepier because it's
almost this like tribal beat. You know, it's really effective.
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The film itself, which you can see my review up
on TikTok and Instagram, Facebook, and YouTube my video review.
But to give you you know, my take here the monkey.
The film is insanely outrageous in a good way. It
is actually really darkly funny, Like I was not expecting
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it to be funny. I don't know what I thought
going in, but it is funny. It is darkly funny,
and at some points I'm like, am I a sicko
for even laughing at this? But that's kind of the point, right,
I Mean, it's all outrageous and insane and it's it's
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an awesome movie.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
I love Osgood Perkins Long Legs.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
He did Long Legs last year, which was one of
my favorites of last year.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
It just puts you in that creepy space.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
Like it's just uncomfortable unsettling and Long Legs was just
executed amazingly, and Nicholas Cage was a freaking freak.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Show in that movie.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
But as I mentioned earlier, he also did Gretel and
Hansel I Am the Pretty Things that Live in the House.
He's had a great career thus far, and this, you know,
is right along those lines, except it's not a lot
of his other movies are a little bit more subtle
and maybe you know, a little slow burning. This is,
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you know, I would say, this is not slow burning
in that kind of traditional Osgood Perkins way. It's more
in your face out there, you know, hits your right
in the head in.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Some points, some people are in the head, if you
get what I mean.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
But it is awesome. I absolutely loved it. People in
the theaters were laughing, they were screaming at the appropriate parts.
It's just an awesome, awesome movie. And I was it
was my most looked forward to, my most looked forward to.
It was the movie I was most looking forward to
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this year, the horror movie, and it I'm definitely I
was not disappointed by any stretch of the imagination.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
It is awesome. So if you have the chance, go
see it.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
In theaters because seeing it on that big screen with
the incredible audio mix and the soundtrack, it's just all
done so well that go see it in the theater,
it's definitely worth your watch. So we're gonna kick things
off on the interview side with Rowan Campbell, my buddy.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
I love Rowan. He is.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
Rowan's an actor who has been making waves in both
television and film.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
He's got this screen presence that's just I love him.
I love his work.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
He recently starred as Corey Cunningham and Halloween Ends, which
was awesome, and I loved his role in that. It
was very much not a red herring. I don't know
what the word I'm looking for is very much a
I don't know, let me.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
Know you, let me know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
But it was very much a cool character in Halloween
Ends and kind of did a lot for that trilogy
of films, turned its head, turned it on its head
a little bit that I wasn't expecting.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
So I really enjoyed that.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
I really enjoyed him in that, and Rowan has been
just steadily building an awesome career across various genres. But
I interviewed him originally for The Hardy Boys on Hulu.
So I'll have that interview linked in the show notes
if you want to go back and hear me speak
with him on that. But he played Frank Hardy in
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Hulu's modern adaptation of that classic detective series, and he
was very charming and intelligent and just had some cool,
fresh energy for the series. I already talked about that
he was in Halloween Ends, and he was. That character
was very started a lot of discussion among horror fans
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and especially obviously Halloween fans, which I think is awesome
for Row and that you know, he got to do that,
and also for you Sabrina Carpenter fans. He played her
beloved boyfriend in her music video for Taste, which is cool.
So all right, without further ado, let's talk with the
row in Campbell.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
How you doing, bro, I'm good, dude. How are you?
I'm doing well? Thank you? So great to see you again.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
You too, man, you too, I'm happy, you know, I'm
so happy to see you in The Monkey. I mean,
first of all, the Monkey was incredible. You know I
told you that.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
Why Why was this something that you wanted to do?
Oh man?
Speaker 4 (09:36):
A never ending list of reasons Stephen King is one
of my favorites. Uh. What a what a niche outlook
on the world, what a what a poet of nightmares. Also,
the script just blew my mind, like it was so
perfectly funny and scary and ridiculous, and again, what an
insane outlook in the world.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
And I just thought, I gotta, I gotta do this.
Speaker 4 (09:59):
And then I just fell in love with the character,
like it's such a such a good opportunity to sort
of disappear into something.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Yeah, quite quite literally. Actually you so what that was
that your hair? Or what was that a wig? What
was we wait, we wigged me out?
Speaker 3 (10:14):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (10:15):
Yeah, we threw a wig.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
On me.
Speaker 4 (10:17):
And uh, I remember when I first thought it on me,
and Oz just cracked up, like it was just so funny. Uh,
and we were like, we gotta do this, it's so ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
Uh and uh.
Speaker 4 (10:30):
And then there's that moment where you meet my mom
and she's got the same haircut, and yeah, it's so ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
That's one of the things that you know, I love
about I mean, first of all, it's it is terrifying.
Even the concept of the film is kind of terrifying.
And then it is so over the top, but in
an awesome way. You know what I'm saying, Like it's
done so well, it's it's it's ridiculous in the best
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way possible. And what I mean that is it's it
does it purposefully and with intention, and that kind of
kind of balances out the kind of terrifyingness terrifyingness, uh,
you know, the uh terrifyingness or whatever of what's happening
in the story. And and it's such a masterful, full
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balance between I was so pleasantly surprised at how funny
it is. You know, it's so darkly humorous and uh,
and it just strikes such a great balance between you know,
all of the things.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
And I love that about it.
Speaker 4 (11:34):
Yeah, he's got he just dialed it in. He's got
such a control on that tone in those levels.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
And so as you're doing this, you know you've done
you know, the Halloween franchise, another one of my favorites.
As you're doing kind of these projects that have this
you know, storied history and fan base and you know
Stephen King short story from Stephen King, like this is
some some big, heavy hitting, uh stuff in the pop
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culture world. Do you are you able to separate that
as you go to film, or is that kind of
in the back of your mind, like, shit, this is
I think you're.
Speaker 4 (12:14):
Always sort of shitting yourself. I think it's just like
what are you gonna let somebody else do it? Mmm?
I love It's like it's like why not? It means
the world to me, this stuff. It's something that you know,
I I grew up reading and I grew up in it.
I love horror films and I'm such a fan. It
was like, you know, I feel well equlipped equipped to
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go in and try and write a little love letter
to this this this man's mind, you know. And that's
how this movie feels to me. It's like I just like,
as I was prepping the character, I was like, I
just want to make Stephen King see his nightmares in
front of him and and and that that that humor
that he's got.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
That's so dope.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
I I think I'm the type of person i'd be like,
oh my God, like I gotta, you know, I gotta.
I think I would feel so much pressure where it's
actually a really cool and refreshing, you know, point of view,
to be like I should be able to do it
you know what I mean, who can do it better?
Speaker 2 (13:10):
I'm going to do it and make them proud, you know.
I love that.
Speaker 4 (13:14):
Yeah, And I mean it's not even like so much
you can do it better. It's just like, might as
well give it a shot. If someone's that me to
do it, I'm gonna try so hard.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
So yeah, what do you as a fan of horror?
You know, I'm a huge horror fan. I know you're
a huge horror fan. As a fan of horror, what
do you think people will get out of this once?
Speaker 2 (13:34):
You know, once it hits theaters?
Speaker 4 (13:36):
Man, this is a hard question. There's so much you
can get out of this movie, and Oz does such
a good job of tying up the thought. But you know,
sort of the unexpectedness and cruelty and an unfairness of
death personified in this toy monkey that's controlling it, you know,
and and that urge to sort of fight it and
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find your way out of it. It's amazing message. But
also I just want to just a good fucking.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
Time at the movies. Man.
Speaker 4 (14:07):
I just want people to go have a good time
at the movies.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
That's what I want.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
I love that I think that they will, I know,
I enjoyed it so much. I had to check with
you know, publicity to make sure. I'm like, am I
allowed to talk about this yet? Because I need to
talk about this.
Speaker 5 (14:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
They're like, yeah, just no spoiler. So now now I'm like,
you know, shouting from the rooftops. You got to see
in February twenty first February twenty you know, I mean, so,
so this monkey comes in your life?
Speaker 2 (14:35):
You know, how would you handle it? Mm?
Speaker 4 (14:40):
Similarly, I think this it's such This is a crazy sentence.
It's such an insane.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
Plot and topic that.
Speaker 4 (14:50):
Unravels so logically, and I think that's very You can
you can empathize with what the characters do in this situation.
But who knows, maybe the monkey is in all of
our lives.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
Thanks Royan. Now I'm gonna be like searching my adit
your attic, man, my brother, Thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
You're a joy to watch, You're a joy to talk to,
and I can't wait for everybody to see the monkey
or the man buddy.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
Thank you, dude, It's so good to see you. Kay
you as well talk soon, all right? Man, enjoyed the
day you too.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
Rowan Campbell such a great guy. I really do love him,
love his work, and he's just an awesome person, you know,
besides being an awesome artist.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
He's an awesome person too. So love Rowan.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
Can't wait to see what he does next, can't wait
for you to see him in The Monkey.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
All right, we're gonna take a quick break to pay
the bills.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
When we come back, we're gonna talk with THEO James
and I was Good Perkins, see you back here in sixty.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
All right.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
Thank you for hanging out with me and supporting our
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Speaker 2 (16:14):
So thank you.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
So we're rolling on with all things the Monkey this episode,
and next up, I'm talking with THEO James and Osgood Perkins.
So I've talked a little bit about both of them before,
but just to give you a little bit.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
More in depth.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
You know, really, when it comes to horror, there are
few directors who capture like eerie, unsettling atmospheres quite like
Osgood Perkins. And when you pair that with the undeniable
screen presence of THEO James, you've got a dynamic that
is well worth your time. Osgoode is kind of known
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for a slow burning, psychological approach to horror. It's very
thoughtful and what he does.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
I think.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
He's also the son of psychostar Anthony Perkins, by the way,
so he grew up surrounded by the genre and he's
found his own unique space in modern horror.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
Today.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
He has done, as I talked about before, Gretel and Hansel.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
Which is beautiful.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
It's visually stunning, and it's like a horror inspired take
on the Hansel and Gretel fairy tale, definitely reimagines it.
He also did I Am the Pretty Thing that Lives
in the House, which is a ghost story that has
a lot to do with like dread and isolation. And
that's what I mean when I say a lot of
his work deals with these kind of bigger issues, whether
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subtly or unsubtly, I guess unsubtly whatever. The Black Coat's
Daughter is this very atmospheric, very eerie, chilling horror film
that blends psychological terror with supernatural stuff, well worth your
time as well. And then of course Long Legs that
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came out last year, which is one of my favorites
of last year, and oh my God, Long Legs is
just insane and Nicholas Cage is just an insane person
in that role. So os Oz Good is all about,
you know, kind of these slow building, eerie, unsettling visuals
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and these stories that kind of linger, you know, after
the movie's over, you're kind of thinking about them later.
With The Monkey, he's taking on Stephen King's classic short story,
and so it's a really cool. It's really cool to
see Oz do something that you know is based on
somebody else's work.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
And THEO James.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
THEO James is an actor who you know, really kind
of blew up with his role as Four in the
Divergent movie franchise series, but since then he's been kind
of breaking out in all kinds of different genres, including
Cameron Sullivan in The White Lotus season two, The Time
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Traveler's Wife, and The Gentleman, and he is amazing in
this He plays a dual role and it's it's pretty insane,
but he does a great job with it.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
So in any of it, let's.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
Jump right into my interview with Osgod Perkins and THEO James.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
Thank you both so much for joining me.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
I really appreciate it, and I'm measure First of all,
I love the Monkey.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
I had to ask publicity earlier. I was like, am
I allowed to talk about it? Yeah? And they were like, yeah,
just no spoilers.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
So I've been like dying for everybody to see it
because it's just so great.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
So congratulations to both the vo on that oz.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
Why you know, why did you end up choosing this
project as your as your next next project?
Speaker 5 (19:51):
The project chose me, right, it was it was an assignment,
you know, and that makes it sound like homework would
and it was really the opposite.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
Right.
Speaker 5 (19:59):
It's just unbelievable golden ticket opportunity to work off of
the great author, to sort of play in his sandbox
and all that he's brought to the genre, into the world,
and to just just to entertainment in general. Right, Stephen
King has created so much viable, everlasting entertainment, whether it's
horror stuff or it's shash Ank redemption, like everything in between.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
Right, Like this is the guy.
Speaker 5 (20:25):
So to be able to sort of snuggle up to
a master is a real privilege. And then on top
of it, you know, it comes with this image. It
comes with this image of this toy monkey, which for
whatever reason is uncanny to the human eye, like we
for whatever reason, anytime you see this thing, there's something
off putting about it.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
You kind of can't wrap your head around it.
Speaker 5 (20:47):
So, you know, as a as a writer facing the
blank page, it's nice to kind of have these big
leg ups Stephen King and this monkey's face.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
I love that, and THEO similarly, you know what attracted
to you about the monkey the film.
Speaker 6 (21:04):
Well, Oz, I'm very attracted to that monkey too.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
I mean, osboy here. I was a fan of his.
Speaker 6 (21:12):
I'd seen his work, we had worked together a little
bit developing something in the past.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
I knew how good a writer in a directory was.
Speaker 6 (21:20):
And then that, you know, coupled with a piece of iconic,
ip iconic literature from Stephen King, and then the chance
to play two very different characters in a horror comedy,
and beneath it there's there's some real meat to it.
You know that there's a real sadness and melancholy about
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fathers and sons and intergenerational trauma. As pretentious as it
sounds to say that, but it's true. So as an actor,
you had the fun of it on the page, but
you also had some meat beneath it to gobble up.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
I've got to say that as you were doing the narration,
I was thinking in the theater, and I'm like, it's
a cross between like a nineteen forties radio announcer.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
And like a sex line operator. And I was like, that.
Speaker 5 (22:12):
Sweet spot, It's like a really fine line exactly.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
I was oddly horrified and intrigued at the same times.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
So congratulations on that.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
And for you when you're doing these kind of dual roles,
and similarly, I'll ask you, Oz, but how do you
approach that as an actor? It's got to be difficult,
in my opinion, to kind of you're playing two very
different people in the same film. How do you approach that?
Speaker 6 (22:45):
Well, I think from the get go we Oz and
I didn't want to just rely on mannerisms or specific
kinks or something little ticks that maybe the characters have,
because we thought that that might cheapen it. We wanted
to make it simple, but make them, you know, incredibly different.
You feel as an actor when you read a script
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if you can play it or not. You know, when
I was in my youth, I would pretend that I
could play anything, but in reality now, but old you
know the stuff you could play and you know the
stuff that you can't, and so you feel connected and
you understand bits of the character and you empathize with
bits of the character. Beyond that, you find little anchors,
you know, for example, in costume design, we were talking
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with a costume designer with Oz and we were talking
about the jacket. It seems like a small thing, but
Oz was very keen on him having Originally it was
going to be kind of a rain jacket, didn't quite
work for a camera. But then what he said was
an anchor for me. He wanted how to have a
kind of shell, like a very thin shell, like a
like a like a snail, that he always needed something
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to protect him from the dangers of the outside world.
And that is an interesting anchor as an actor which
you can can build from. And then with with Bill,
his brother, he was realizing that he was just a
little scared boy, and that made me feel for him
and kind of understand him. So you look for those
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little pointers to kind of drill.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
Into I love that. Thank you both so much. That's
my time.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
I can't wait for everybody to see the Monkey. It
is so enjoyable. Thank you, Thank you as Good Perkins
and THEO James. I've got to say, I mean you
heard me say I'm not normally like this, but THEO James.
When I literally was listening to his kind of narration
in The Monkey, it's like this weird mix between like
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this radio announcer from like the forties or fifties or something,
and like a sex line operator. And I was oddly,
oddly into it and horrified all at the same time.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
Weird. Now I have confusing feelings.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
Thank you THEO an event, great actor, great director, writer
with Oz Good. I love The Monkey so much, and
I think you will too. If you're any kind of
fan of horror or psychological drama or even you know, comedy,
it would be a very very dark comedy. But it
is just an awesome horror movie. I will give you
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a little warning that it goes there, so you know,
don't expect a lot to be left to your imagination.
There's gore, and so if you're not into that, just
be prepared to close your eyes a few times. I
had to for a couple of parts that I was like,
oh my god, but it's great.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
The Monkey is awesome.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
It is out in theaters now, and I hope that
you go and see the Monkey in theaters. What do
you think? Let me know if you see it. I
want to talk about it. You can see my review
up on TikTok, YouTube, Instagram, Facebook, all of the things.
Let's discuss the monkey, all right. I love you, see
(26:01):
you next episode.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
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Speaker 6 (26:14):
The monkey is.
Speaker 4 (26:20):
It's cause me the monk.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
Looks the monkey.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
What jesus me?
Speaker 2 (26:36):
The monkey is a scary one?
Speaker 1 (26:43):
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