Verdict Day

Karen Read case is given to the jurors for their verdict.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Wake yo, Wake Friday.

Speaker 2 (00:14):
Cheers to the freaking weekend. We made it.

Speaker 3 (00:17):
And a big Friday in mass at that. We'll get
into it next with the news. But I mean, listen,
crazier things have happened. We might get a verdict today.

Speaker 4 (00:28):
Could you imagine she's.

Speaker 2 (00:30):
Gonna let them deliverate tool? It looks like five or
five thirty.

Speaker 4 (00:33):
If I'm the jury, I'm not gonna lie. I want
it done tonight.

Speaker 2 (00:37):
Like let's let's.

Speaker 3 (00:38):
Figure do it on day one, let's do it on
day one, or or honestly, let's chit chat about it,
let's think over the weekend, and let's get it done
on Monday.

Speaker 2 (00:46):
That's what's kind of more what I.

Speaker 4 (00:47):
Say, let's make a decision tonight, let's sleep on it,
come back and confirm first thing.

Speaker 2 (00:52):
So it looks like we worked.

Speaker 5 (00:54):
I don't know.

Speaker 6 (00:54):
I feel like they already have a decision.

Speaker 7 (00:56):
I feel like they feel like before this thing ended
day I think they already knew what it was.

Speaker 2 (00:59):
They were like, yeah, I don't know why I feel
that way.

Speaker 3 (01:03):
And it's just a crazy thing because I think if
you're Karen Reid, it's like you wake up this morning
thinking today.

Speaker 2 (01:11):
Maybe Monday Tuesday. I'm going to find out the fate
of the rest of my life. I might be I
might be sleeping in.

Speaker 3 (01:18):
With jail cell a room with bars on the walls,
or I might be back into my own bed.

Speaker 4 (01:26):
Let's just say that she does get sent away. I
don't think she's doing life though, No, NA shouldn't. I mean, yeah,
the ten year bid.

Speaker 3 (01:34):
Maybe, I don't think she'll do life either. I don't
know what what the what she's looking at. I mean,
I know what her charges off.

Speaker 2 (01:41):
She's got second.

Speaker 3 (01:44):
Degree murder, oh, manslaughter, with operating a motor vehicle under
the influence and leaving the scene of a fatal.

Speaker 4 (01:49):
Collision second degree. I think you could do like yeah,
thirty to forty Like I think I know I'm not
a criminal, So I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:56):
I mean, if she gets off, I do feel like
she might want to maybe had the Florida with Casey Anthony.

Speaker 6 (02:04):
I was thinking the same thing.

Speaker 7 (02:06):
But I think the way she if she really beats
this case and she gets found not guilty, things she
would I would, I wouldn't.

Speaker 6 (02:11):
I wouldn't moved. Yeah, I'll stand ten tolls down.

Speaker 3 (02:14):
Well, you know what she and I think I actually
think she could because I think she's a celebrity.

Speaker 2 (02:23):
Here. There was some for Casey Anthony the case.

Speaker 6 (02:29):
Yeah, I think majority of the people thought that Casey
did it.

Speaker 4 (02:32):
I think so Oj right when he got found, he
thought his life was going to go back to, you know,
being famous and all stuff. But he got cut out
of so many circles. I think he was shocked. This
one's a little different, though, I think locally, I think
to your point, she is.

Speaker 2 (02:46):
She's a celebrity. I really do.

Speaker 3 (02:48):
Yeah, yeah, And listen, if she gets off like it's
her life to live and do whatever she wants. She Hey,
she wants to buy a house in Canton. By all
means she can do that. That would be, but the
house that would be could you imagine? Or like in
two months she's free and all of a sudden she's

(03:08):
got a German shepherd god name.

Speaker 4 (03:11):
But different, Yo, Just.

Speaker 3 (03:17):
So many scenarios. Or she's getting meat loaf every Monday.

Speaker 2 (03:22):
We don't know.

Speaker 3 (03:23):
We don't know, we we we we don't know. I
just think I I kind of agree with you guys.
I think it's going to be quicker than we think.
Watch we're wrong. It's like the weather. I mean, we
can't predict how long. We don't know what these guys
are thinking. We also don't know if they're going to
be split half in half and then it's going to
be a fistfight in there.

Speaker 4 (03:42):
But the word is that they're all young, right, Yes,
that's the thinking about the weekend.

Speaker 2 (03:46):
Yeah. I won't even say it's a rumor.

Speaker 3 (03:48):
I mean people that are in there are with their
eyeballs saying the jury's young. And I think they're saying
young in comparison to the first trial, where the jurors
were a little bit older.

Speaker 4 (03:58):
Wrap it up tonight, we can go. I have a
couple of drinks. We can party like all week and long.
That's what they're thinking. Yeah, and I know somebody died
at the end of the day, but at the same time,
not somebody. Office Officer John o'keeth, I'm sorry, shame on me.

Speaker 3 (04:16):
Break out crazy for Purnon chose to be diabolical at
six fourteen.

Speaker 2 (04:22):
He can't even not even Tuesday. He let it slide,
not today.

Speaker 3 (04:27):
So speaking of happy verdict day, everybody.

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Speaker 3 (04:48):
Five. I can't believe it here we are, by the way,
How crazy is it that it's Friday the thirteenth and
we might be getting a verdict? Oh man, So our
girl Erica, who you know, she's just been leading the
FKR troops down there outside the courtroom in Debtham for
for the last eight weeks.

Speaker 2 (05:09):
You know, making Karen sandwiches when she's hungry.

Speaker 3 (05:13):
She texts me she's up, she's on the move, she's
headed to Debtam and she said she just can't imagine
how Karen feels right now, her mind, her body, her soul.

Speaker 2 (05:23):
It's a big day.

Speaker 4 (05:24):
Yeah, I actually can't mean she didn't sleep last way.

Speaker 3 (05:28):
You gotta pill yourself essentially like Pilon all pms.

Speaker 4 (05:31):
But you really can't pill yourself because when you come
in the next that you can't.

Speaker 2 (05:34):
Yeah, you're right, you don't want to do. Don't do Benadryl.

Speaker 3 (05:37):
Closing arguments people set for today at nine a m.

Speaker 2 (05:41):
I think it's important to keep in mind.

Speaker 3 (05:45):
That the jury won't most likely be getting this case
until after lunch. We learned yesterday that the defense is
not going to argue a third party culprit, but instead
just kind of how badly the investinge gation was botched.

Speaker 10 (06:01):
So you cannot argue that either Brian Higgins or Brian
Albert committed or had the motive and all of that
not third party culprit, pure third party culprit.

Speaker 2 (06:12):
And they agreed.

Speaker 3 (06:13):
Listen, they they said straight up, we're gonna be going
for the fact that this investigation was boxed.

Speaker 2 (06:18):
We're going to go more towards not to say it was.

Speaker 3 (06:22):
Brian Higgins, but why didn't the police even look into
Brian Higgins, especially with having these text messages between him
and Karen. So scheduling wise, closing arguments are going to
start at nine am. Each side is going to receive
an hour and fifteen minutes.

Speaker 2 (06:39):
Judge Bevcnoni is hoping to give the jurors a.

Speaker 3 (06:41):
Quick early lunch break followed by jury instructions and then
they will start deliberations later in the day. Even if
they start deliberations at a one or two PM, she
is going to ask if they can stay at the
courthouse until five or five thirty this evening. Wow to
potentially get get some headway on this, some overtime, some

(07:02):
ot we need we needed to be verdict Friday, verdict Friday.
Karen Reid is being charged with second degree murder, manslaughter
while operating a motor vehicle under the influence, and leaving
the scene of a fatal collision in the death of
John O'Keeffe. We just discussed January twenty ninth, twenty twenty two.
She has pled not guilty to all charges and remains

(07:23):
free on bail. You know, it's interesting because my dad
was chatting with me about the show. I was telling
him about, you know, Karen Reid, and he didn't know anything.
So I had him start the doc last night. He
started watching The Body in the Snow and some of
the questions he was asking me are just funny because we're,
you know, we're so entrenched in this and we know.
But he goes, so, where's she been locked up at

(07:45):
in the meantime, And I didn't even think. I said, oh, no,
she's out on bail, and he didn't like. I had
to explain to him that there was a first.

Speaker 2 (07:51):
Trial and then there was a mistrial and now they're
in the and he asked me.

Speaker 3 (07:56):
He said, if you had to say, in New England,
what do you think as a whole people feel? And
I my response to that is the popular answer is
that she was framed.

Speaker 6 (08:10):
I yes, the.

Speaker 3 (08:11):
Popular answer, the more overwhelming answer. I think that the
most accepted answer is that she was framed. Right.

Speaker 4 (08:16):
That's a good thing, and the most accepted yes, But
the more unspoken one is that she did it right.
People are too afraid to actually come up with that
point of view as well.

Speaker 3 (08:25):
Yes, yeah, yeah, it's just interesting watching somebody who knows
nothing kind of take it all in and see where
they said he did.

Speaker 2 (08:32):
One thing he said to me, over and over he
goes ash. One thing I just can't get past is
that many people kept this secret.

Speaker 3 (08:42):
Yeah, And I said, well, some people argue, well, their
law enforcement and their law enforcement significant others, so they would.

Speaker 4 (08:50):
But he was kind of like, h which I understand.
But I would think like one of the kids would
have broken or somebody connected to them would have been
too fearful of going to prison.

Speaker 6 (09:00):
You know the code, but.

Speaker 2 (09:01):
Guys remember but you know who doesn't Carrie Roberts. You
don't know the code, but she would be if this
is true, she would have to be in on it.

Speaker 4 (09:07):
And I also go back to it, tougher people than
them have broken the code, right, yeah, like the but.

Speaker 2 (09:13):
The code came up.

Speaker 3 (09:13):
My dad was like, cops are going to protect cops,
and so listen. It's again just interesting watching him kind
of take it all in. What are we thinking? If
you like, what's everybody's gut saying?

Speaker 2 (09:26):
On a timeline here timeline for when the for when
the verdicalms yep.

Speaker 7 (09:30):
I think before Juneteenth it happens. I think the Monday,
So between now and next what Thursday?

Speaker 2 (09:37):
Yeah, yep, yeah, because I don't think they'll be in
court on Thursday.

Speaker 4 (09:40):
And I also think too like they're up against the
clock for the weekend. And I keep mentioning it though
in the back of your minds, like you want this
done today, like I don't know there's to come back
as soon as well.

Speaker 3 (09:49):
I even said, listen, we've had so many delays with this,
with this jury, and we've had to have so many sidebars,
and I was like, I just want to give them
the case, like they deserve that, they deserve to get
the case in their hand. I think Monday, okay, because
my thought process is they have so much to work through,
unless what foreign is saying, that's scenario of like they
all have already decided guilty or not guilty and they
can go. But I think they have a lot of

(10:10):
evidence to work through, and so I'm thinking they do
all that kind of set everything up tonight today, this afternoon,
and then Monday we get a verdict. I do know
that Nick Rocco will be in court on Monday if
it goes that far.

Speaker 4 (10:24):
I have Thursday off, so I'd rather have it done
before that, To be honest, I appreciate that.

Speaker 2 (10:30):
Yeah, I get it all right.

Speaker 3 (10:33):
Tom Brady getting his statue and getting a statue outside
of Jillette Stadium, it is the.

Speaker 2 (10:43):
Honor of my life to be officially enslined.

Speaker 3 (10:46):
It's the winning legacy of this amazing organization.

Speaker 11 (10:52):
I am Tom Brady, and I am a patriot.

Speaker 3 (11:00):
Said. The statue would perpetrate the legendary legacy of this
once in a lifetime player. They're planning a special ceremony
to unveil the Bronze Brady ahead of the game on
August the eighth. Can I just say I haven't seen it.
Has anybody seen it? I'm worried because the Dwayne Wade
blind man, you made this statue.

Speaker 2 (11:20):
I'm worried. I mean, seriously, this is something we have
taken to consideration.

Speaker 3 (11:25):
I would walk past that Dwayne Wade every time and
not recognize that.

Speaker 4 (11:29):
It's him, Like this one has to be handsome, right
they had?

Speaker 2 (11:38):
Did anybody google is there? We have a picture of
it yet?

Speaker 4 (11:42):
I mean, I saw some ones online, but I didn't
know if it was they were fake ones, and the
ones that I saw looked really good, okay, compared.

Speaker 3 (11:48):
To the other because the other guy was blind.

Speaker 2 (11:51):
I don't know how that that was able to happen.

Speaker 3 (11:54):
Alrighty And lastly, Nelly and Ashanti are getting ready to
step into the reality TV realm. I watched the full
trailer for this today, you guys, and I can already
tell you I'm gonna be Peacocking. This show starts June
twenty six on Peacock. It's eight apps. I'm definitely watching.

Speaker 4 (12:10):
I'm a wee bit dramatic.

Speaker 12 (12:14):
In the beginning, we were still finding where we were going.

Speaker 9 (12:17):
We would together off and on for eleven years before
the final.

Speaker 2 (12:21):
Aw I hated her, I hated him. I didn't think
that we would get back together. She got me, he
wanted to get gotten. I can't wait.

Speaker 4 (12:34):
I agree.

Speaker 2 (12:35):
It does sound and no, it's like a two minute trailer.
It looks really good.

Speaker 3 (12:38):
It's called We Belong Together, and they're saying the synopsis
of the show is rekindling their love, navigating their ups
and downs of being newlyweds and new parents and juggling
their careers. I correct me if I'm wrong for him,
But do you remember, like this was forever ago, because
obviously they've had the baby and everything now. But Nelly,
I feel like, was performing and Ashanti was like they

(13:00):
were side.

Speaker 7 (13:01):
Stage, remember back in the day they were doing the verses.

Speaker 2 (13:05):
And remember he was or something on the mic to her.

Speaker 7 (13:08):
He did I don't even know if he apologized. They
were doing a versus. She was on one side with
U what was her label again, with joh Ruin all
of them and murdering murder in, and he was on
the other side. I don't know who he was with.
But all of a sudden, she kind of came over
said hi to him. He was kind of shocked by it,
he says, and then they kind of hugged said whatever,

(13:28):
and since then that was over. Before that they had
not spoken.

Speaker 2 (13:34):
I wonder what happened.

Speaker 6 (13:36):
They just broke up, you know.

Speaker 2 (13:37):
But they insinuated with something. It happened. Yeah, I hope
we learned about.

Speaker 7 (13:42):
I don't know what it was. I think Nelly was
out here doing his thing and she was mad about it.
But they like Ashanti said, I did not like I hate.
She said, I hated this man even coming into that building.
I did not like him. I planned on not talking
to him once we hugged. I don't know what came
over me. All of a sudden, we just got each
other's numbers and been flourishing ever since.

Speaker 6 (14:01):
I love it.

Speaker 3 (14:01):
Wow, I love it too. And it's like our childhood,
you know, Nelly and a Shanty can't wait to watch it.
That's three things need to know for Friday, June thirteenth.
Nick Rocco, like I said, is going to join us
in just about an hour. If you have any last
minute things you want to ask Nick Rocco, make sure
we get it in today at Ashley Feldman two. He's
on the Ashley. That way we can streamline and I'll

(14:21):
definitely be able to see it in then. Or you
can also down the free iHeartRadio app and leave us
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that little red microphone if you have anything you want
to ask Nick Roco. He will join us in just
about an hour A morning.

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Speaker 3 (14:46):
Fourn I was just saying to Santia, I don't think
we've ever done this. Maybe we did during trial one.
I don't honestly don't know.

Speaker 4 (14:53):
I think we did.

Speaker 3 (14:54):
I feel like I want to get a temperature as
to what people that listen to this show think about
this case. So my thought process is I'm going to
give the phone number and I want you guys to
run the lines up and we will just go through
everybody that was very different me well, through everybody, not

(15:15):
a conversation, just I want to hear Katie in Wilmington
guilty or not guilty, okay, and we just because I
just want to see it get fast, quick and fast.
And if it's overwhelming one way or the other, or
if on Jammin we're declaring a mistrial.

Speaker 4 (15:32):
Be interesting to see what the listeners say compared to
what comes back from the jury too.

Speaker 7 (15:36):
I feel a lot of guilty. I mean, not guilty
is only the way.

Speaker 4 (15:39):
Yeah, I think so too.

Speaker 2 (15:40):
That's that is my line.

Speaker 7 (15:42):
But the guilty people, for some reason, I don't know
why yelling brave enough to just hit us up and
say something.

Speaker 13 (15:47):
Why please?

Speaker 2 (15:48):
Because we are we are the first people to be like,
we can see it.

Speaker 6 (15:51):
I don't get it.

Speaker 4 (15:52):
But out in the public though, it's not like you
say that you think she's guilty. It changes a whole
dynamic of the whole conversation.

Speaker 2 (15:59):
Or do we do it differently where we don't do
name and where you're from, Yeah, you just.

Speaker 4 (16:02):
Do an artist.

Speaker 3 (16:03):
Yeah, if if you're more comfortable, I think that that's
fine too.

Speaker 2 (16:07):
Let's just let's just run it up. The lines are
already ringing. Let's run this thing up.

Speaker 3 (16:11):
Let's let what we're gonna do is we're just gonna
get a temperature on this show. Do you think she
is guilty or not guilty? And you can remain anonymous
if you feel so. If you feel so comfortable, let's
do it. Where are we at on this thing? Could
be verdictdae six one seven nine three one one nine

(16:32):
four five stay anonymous six one seven nine three one
one nine four five.

Speaker 2 (16:37):
Give it to me people, guilty or not guilty, Let's chat.

Speaker 13 (16:42):
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love me toombad really.

Speaker 8 (17:05):
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Speaker 2 (17:08):
Need.

Speaker 3 (17:12):
Wow, Hi everybody, Good morning, Dashing the gym of morning show.

Speaker 2 (17:16):
So I just was so interested.

Speaker 3 (17:19):
To see kind of what the take a little temp
of you guys and what you're thinking.

Speaker 2 (17:23):
I mean, listen, we've talked about this trial in length.

Speaker 3 (17:29):
We've talked about everything that surrounds it, whether you think
Karen Reid is guilty or not guilty. I'm gonna I'm
gonna peacock a little bit and say that I think
that we've done a really good job of showing you
that there's two sides to this. Nick feels one way,
but I think we've always been open to the fact
that there is this other side of it, that maybe

(17:51):
she did do it, or maybe she is part of
the craziest Canton cover up in the history of the world.

Speaker 4 (17:58):
And Chloe did it fine, But this is very at
least like there's a conversation that should be had on
both ends and things. And I think we are comfortable
enough to have that here.

Speaker 2 (18:07):
Yes, And I don't think a lot of people are
they are not because I mean, listen, I've said it.
If it's a day where I'm like, maybe she did
my messages? Are you bitch? Shut up? I mean crazy?
Who's this?

Speaker 3 (18:20):
I think somebody called me like a buffoon one. It's
just it's crazy. But all right, I gave the number
six one seven, nine three one one nine four five.
Every line is lit. I want to run through everybody.
I just want to know. Guilty or not guilty? Ken,

(18:40):
not guilty, thank you, Kelsey and Wyndham guilty or not guilty,
not guilty. Nicky is in Bridgewater guilty or.

Speaker 2 (18:53):
Not guilty, definitely not guilty.

Speaker 3 (18:57):
Lissa and Lynn guilty or not guilt, guilty, not guilty.
Shae is in Roxbury, Shaye guilty or not guilty, not guilty.
All right, we got an anonymous guilty or not guilty.

Speaker 2 (19:15):
Actually from New Jersey not guilty.

Speaker 3 (19:18):
One hundred percent not guilty, she says, Jen and Rhode
Island guilty or not guilty, not guilty.

Speaker 2 (19:25):
Wow, we got another anonymous guilty You're not guilty.

Speaker 5 (19:30):
Not guilty, Diane and Dandell.

Speaker 2 (19:33):
That was Jane. That was Jane from Working Root. It
sounds like.

Speaker 3 (19:37):
Her Diane and Dan gel guilty, you're not guilty, not guilty? Wow?
Tyrone in New Bedford guilty or not guilty.

Speaker 5 (19:48):
Not guilty?

Speaker 2 (19:49):
Oh my god, you guys, I'm not even there's nowhere
to go to. We didn't What are we gonna play
this all? What do we get?

Speaker 1 (19:54):
You?

Speaker 6 (19:55):
Are you guilty? People? They call it and hang up?

Speaker 2 (19:57):
What's wrong? I said, you could be anonymous, but it's
not else.

Speaker 4 (20:00):
It's the people out there because in case somebody recognizes
their voice or something like that. People are too afraid
out there because people out there are crazy lunacy. Let's
at least have the conversation right at the very time.

Speaker 2 (20:10):
I think that's fine. Wow, So how many do we get? Right?

Speaker 14 (20:13):
Ten?

Speaker 13 (20:14):
Ten?

Speaker 2 (20:15):
Yeah, because you're right, I did it.

Speaker 6 (20:17):
Guilty at all?

Speaker 2 (20:18):
Not one that was a good, That was a good.

Speaker 6 (20:20):
Ten twelve people.

Speaker 4 (20:21):
We took ten calls, all.

Speaker 2 (20:22):
Ten of them, and the phones are still ring, which
is like that.

Speaker 4 (20:27):
I would have loved to hear somebody say guilty, just one,
just one, just to get we had.

Speaker 2 (20:34):
Them, but they they they run away.

Speaker 3 (20:36):
But you're right, maybe they're worried about their name, you know,
being heard, or so I don't know, I don't.

Speaker 2 (20:42):
I don't know. So there we have it so a
lot of you.

Speaker 3 (20:44):
I mean, if we're just judging off of that, which
obviously you know that we only have eight phone lines,
but we went through as many.

Speaker 6 (20:50):
Guilty or not guilty.

Speaker 4 (20:53):
I think not guilty because of the whole police job,
but the entire thing actually guilty.

Speaker 2 (20:57):
And not guilty.

Speaker 3 (20:58):
This morning, I feel like it's going to be a
not guilty verdict same thing. I think there's always the possibility,
but I do think this was botched so badly that
there was enough reasonable doubt.

Speaker 6 (21:08):
He j real quick guilty, not guilty.

Speaker 2 (21:11):
I think not guilty.

Speaker 7 (21:12):
Yeah, I'm riding not guilty. The both of y'all over
here giving us excuses, and you know the police just
say guilty and not guilty.

Speaker 4 (21:17):
Me yes, justify.

Speaker 14 (21:21):
You know.

Speaker 2 (21:21):
It's hard for me to say it because I do
see a world that she did it.

Speaker 6 (21:24):
Yeah, I do.

Speaker 7 (21:24):
It's guilty, but no, but I think it's also not.

Speaker 3 (21:28):
That's because but that's not the court system. The court
systm is providing reasonable doubt. I think OJ did it too, Yeah,
J did it too. Heads but I listen, they can't
in the Canton police just fumbled.

Speaker 2 (21:42):
They really fumbled the bag on that red solo cups?
Stop these bags? Where's the dog? Ran Higgins?

Speaker 3 (21:49):
Why didn't you move your car when you said you
were going to at the at the campon Police State?
Like just little things like this that lead me to
believe that the jury is going to be like you know.

Speaker 4 (21:57):
What, And honestly, after hearing these phone calls, I think
the decision is going to come back faster now today.

Speaker 2 (22:03):
It's crazy.

Speaker 6 (22:04):
Yeah, everybody's notice.

Speaker 2 (22:05):
They won't stop everybody.

Speaker 7 (22:06):
Maybe like three guilties that called in other than that
Abody is not guilty.

Speaker 6 (22:10):
Do they all live in Canton? They they're all protesting
right now Alberts.

Speaker 2 (22:15):
Do they all have pink on? What is going on?

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to know on Bustin's number one for hip hop and
the best throwbags you haven't any more five.

Speaker 3 (22:34):
I think it's interesting that it's Friday the thirteenth and
we might get a verdict. Yeah, Friday the thirteenth and
we could be looking down the barrel at a guilty
or not guilty verdict.

Speaker 2 (22:46):
Yester or not?

Speaker 3 (22:48):
Is that the.

Speaker 2 (22:51):
Yesterday they had, you know, a little back and forth
with each side to try to figure.

Speaker 3 (22:57):
Out what today would look like, because we wanted to
make sure we I'm a part of this now. Today
was very cut and dry for the jury that they
could understand moving forward what exactly they were going to
be doing. Obviously, Karen is looking at secondary murder charges
manslaughter while operating a motor vehicle under the influence and
leaving the scene of a fatal collision in the death
of John O'Keefe on January twenty ninth, twenty twenty two.

Speaker 2 (23:20):
So yesterday Judge.

Speaker 3 (23:21):
Bev Cononi confirming that the defense is not going to
argue a third party culprit, but instead talk about just
how badly the investigation was botched.

Speaker 10 (23:30):
So you cannot argue that either Brian Higgins or Brian
Albert committed or had the motive and all of that
not third party culprit, pure third party culprit.

Speaker 3 (23:41):
Essentially they kind of worked through so you can, you know,
you can kind of insinuate, Hey, we know Karen had
these text messages between her and Brian Higgins.

Speaker 2 (23:52):
They were hooking up.

Speaker 3 (23:53):
Clearly, why wouldn't the police have looked into him but
not say it was him?

Speaker 2 (24:00):
Makes sense?

Speaker 4 (24:00):
It definitely does, because technically, if if you think about
the way that movies work, he has a motive.

Speaker 3 (24:05):
Yeah, and I think that's kind of what the defense
is gonna say, like they looked at no one else, nobody,
and that's a little strange. As for a timeline, today,
closing arguments are gonna start at nine a m.

Speaker 2 (24:19):
All right.

Speaker 3 (24:20):
Each side is gonna get an hour and fifteen minutes.
Bev Canoni said she's hoping to give the jurors like
an early lunch break, meaning after lunch they're gonna get
jury instructions and can start deliberations later today.

Speaker 2 (24:34):
Now, she is.

Speaker 3 (24:35):
Gonna ask if they could stay at the courthouse till
about five or five thirty, meaning they might have this
in their hands between one and two o'clock. We could
get a verdict today. There is a very very good
chance that.

Speaker 4 (24:47):
Jury does not want to deal with this like over
the weekend. They're coming back today done d Yeah.

Speaker 3 (24:52):
And I think if they do go through the weekend,
it's a Monday's decision if they make it.

Speaker 4 (24:57):
Yeah, man, I can't believe it.

Speaker 3 (24:59):
Crazy it's crazy. And by the way, what do we
think Denim is going to be like the next couple
of days?

Speaker 2 (25:06):
Lunacy.

Speaker 3 (25:07):
Yeah, they're gonna fill that street like they're getting ready
for a Disney parade for.

Speaker 2 (25:11):
The fourth of July.

Speaker 4 (25:12):
And I guess, depending on the verdict, the emotions there
could be completely like different.

Speaker 2 (25:16):
Oh, I mean, Erica, she's definitely gonna cry.

Speaker 4 (25:20):
Dude, it could be like January sixth.

Speaker 2 (25:22):
Now, it's could get ugly out there. I agree, So
we shall see.

Speaker 3 (25:30):
Trying to decide how long it's gonna take a jury
to deliberate is like me trying to decide what the
weather is going to be for.

Speaker 2 (25:34):
Day's birthday party. We really can't, all right. We got
new music Friday for and you got some things for us.

Speaker 7 (25:41):
So much new music drop today, I mean, I couldn't
even decide what to kind of give you guys. But
from Gunna to Roddy Rich, the Little Wayne dropping his
deluxe album, Chris Brown, we wrote premiere his joint you
just heard it in. We mixed with pubb though. But
let's let's let's look at these street for something for
the ladies. We're gonna kick it off with lotto, of course,
a lot of out, a lot of people lotto. She

(26:01):
went over to the UK did a feature with an
artist from London known as Nam's. This song is called Art,
which already is going bovel all over social Hey, what's that.

Speaker 11 (26:11):
Was Tanny Twint? I'll make back back in it. No,
he was from UK when he got behind me stabbing it.
Jumpoflou cost me ten thousand quick in the A a
comic fashion amandom say, I'm live.

Speaker 4 (26:24):
I don't want to refer to her stabbing it, but
I get it.

Speaker 3 (26:29):
I likes I think this morning, I'm feeling more of
a Chris Brown vibe than that.

Speaker 2 (26:33):
But okay, okay, let's.

Speaker 6 (26:35):
Keep it moving.

Speaker 7 (26:35):
We're gonna stay with the youngins three ten baby, who's
been on a run lately. I mean, y'allm I know
him from his song bad he Got Soaked City, which
was running last summer, and of course also Rocky Hips,
which we play a lot here on jam and he's
dropped a new joint it's called sound Like. That's from
featuring TOI dollars Son.

Speaker 6 (26:52):
Everybody is sound like.

Speaker 12 (26:54):
I feel like I'm trying to complete it all right,
all right, light, I'm trying.

Speaker 6 (27:01):
They gave up.

Speaker 9 (27:05):
I'll make you.

Speaker 2 (27:08):
I like to beat a lot better there.

Speaker 6 (27:10):
Did you guys? Do you guys recognize the sample? Okay,
the dream? Do I remember the dream?

Speaker 7 (27:15):
Super producer songwriter did a lot of work with Beyonce,
still works with Beyonce. That was from his song False Settle,
which is a dope slow jam. Yeah, they took that,
they resampled it and that one right there, it's called
sound Like.

Speaker 6 (27:26):
So how y'all feeling about it?

Speaker 4 (27:28):
Sounds nice better than them's.

Speaker 2 (27:30):
Yes, you know what?

Speaker 7 (27:32):
Yeah, y'all a little truth crowd today. So let me
just let me just give you all a layup. All right,
let's take it to Toronto.

Speaker 6 (27:38):
This is a layer.

Speaker 7 (27:39):
Did somebody say you don't like this? Y'all just hating today?

Speaker 6 (27:45):
All right?

Speaker 7 (27:46):
Drake jumping on the feature with his artist Smiley. This
one is called to Masa.

Speaker 6 (27:51):
Uh.

Speaker 7 (27:51):
This dropped right at midnight and a lot of people
already loving it. The video is kind of crazy. I
posted a clip of it on actually too. I don't
even need to hear it in the am again, to Masa,
a Rake feature. Y'all know, Drake's holding some l's, but
people are loving this this verse right here.

Speaker 12 (28:05):
Hey, I remember pushing DT with a man, whipping to
Maza grocery shopping at Roy York Plaza. Me and little
Sandros broke on his Daza first floor room at the
Airport Ramada. I'm trying to make the most out of
that of not sure to see me and say, oh.

Speaker 2 (28:20):
My godness, listen to my zo it's my favorite. He
could have been like, I hate puppies, kill them. Like
you know what, it has a ring to it.

Speaker 7 (28:32):
It has a ring and smiley again. A lot of
new music drop today. Logic dropped an album. E STG
dropped an album. There's a lot of Kodak Black dropped
an album. Uh so, if you, if you, if you
want something to listen to today, make sure you check
it out at DJ forming at actually too easy in
the am.

Speaker 6 (28:49):
I'm gonna drop up the old listener.

Speaker 2 (28:50):
Does Kodak's music sound like when he talks to you
in person?

Speaker 6 (28:54):
Yes, yes, yes.

Speaker 7 (28:55):
And the wild thing is that in person when he
talks to you, he's crazy in music sounds amazing. Yeah,
he just I don't know how he does it, but
he does it.

Speaker 3 (29:03):
I'll see him chatting with someone on the street and
I'm like, Wow, what are they saying?

Speaker 7 (29:07):
What it was in the music? It works once you
put a beata his music, I guess it makes more sense.

Speaker 2 (29:12):
Okay, all right.

Speaker 3 (29:13):
And lastly, I mean we have to talk about this
because there really is such thing as survivor's guilt and
I can only imagine how it would feel if you
were in a plane crash with two hundred and forty
two people and you are the lone soul survivor. I'm
sure by now you've seen the news. Air India confirmed

(29:35):
that their flight to A one one seveny one headed
to London.

Speaker 2 (29:42):
Crashed.

Speaker 3 (29:43):
And you, guys, there's video footage of the plane even before,
like pretty much right when they were taking out, nothing
on the flight was working, like everything was malfunctioning. They
struggled to gain altitude and then eventually crashed into a
medical college in India, and like guy said, two hundred
and forty two passengers and crews crew members on board

(30:04):
all died except for one, a forty year old man
by the name of vishwash Ramesh. He said, thirty seconds
after take off, there was a loud noise and then
the plane crashed and it all happened so quickly.

Speaker 4 (30:15):
I'm having survivor's guilt. If my family was on the flight,
if I was the only survivor and nobody, you'd be like,
thank you God.

Speaker 7 (30:22):
Wow, right, I'm special, right, I mean kind of sor yeah,
like that what you're saying. If you have they with
the loved one and they passed and you yeah, then
I have to kill yeah, big, big time. But if
you don't know none of the two hundred and some odd.

Speaker 2 (30:36):
Ninety ninety people total.

Speaker 7 (30:39):
Did you hear the story though? And I don't know
if this is true that he switched his seat.

Speaker 2 (30:43):
I did not hear that.

Speaker 7 (30:44):
I saw this guy on the news. Again, you don't
know what's really and you don't know what's right.

Speaker 2 (30:47):
You don't.

Speaker 7 (30:48):
But but there was there was a guy who came
out on the news and he went viral on TikTok
saying that he had switched his seat from one seat
that he was at to eleven eight, which was by
the wing, and then he survived.

Speaker 6 (30:57):
How true that is?

Speaker 9 (30:58):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (30:58):
It's hard to like who you can ask, That's what
I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (31:01):
I also saw a storyline this morning that said he
just jumped.

Speaker 2 (31:07):
All seriously, you need to take eighteen steps back. You
need to sit hold on you thing.

Speaker 4 (31:18):
I was just making a statement.

Speaker 6 (31:20):
Wow, wow, wow, specially the way.

Speaker 2 (31:24):
Even like I have to do thoughts and prayers man,
and I don't know where to let's Michael please. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (31:31):
Anyways, thoughts and prayers to everybody. That is an insane story.
And uh, you know, two hundred ninety people are gone.

Speaker 4 (31:39):
You guys made this a thing. I was making a statement.
I was making.

Speaker 3 (31:46):
Three things you need to know for Friday, June thirty.
I mean you could have given her a week we're
talking about.

Speaker 5 (31:53):
I know.

Speaker 3 (31:55):
Anyways, that's you know what, Let's bring everyone's spirits up.
Russ and Big Sean. Russ and Big San gonna be
at the Exfinity Center in July eighteenth. It's gonna be
nice and the weather will be great.

Speaker 2 (32:05):
I don't know. I'm just doing anything I can here.

Speaker 3 (32:07):
And so we're gonna hand you a pair of tickets
in six one, seven, nine, three, one one four five
colors twenty five.

Speaker 2 (32:13):
You're going to Russ and Big Sean.

Speaker 8 (32:14):
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DJ four and it's saus A Big Morning.

Speaker 9 (32:20):
Bustin's number one for hip hop Jamming ninety four five.

Speaker 3 (32:27):
Oh my god, we are here, people, We have made it.
I remember the first time we ever spoke to Nick Rocco,
and it was because he had so many dare we
say fans that reached out to us and they were like, Ashley,
you gotta get this guy on the show.

Speaker 2 (32:44):
You gotta get this guy on the show.

Speaker 3 (32:45):
Now. If you're an fkr er, then listen. You love
yourself and Nick Rocco because Nick Nick impresses me every
time we speak, because I could say, Nick, guess what
ring camera footage has come in? We got Karen doing it,
and he would say, well, let me see the ring
camera for what was the timestamp?

Speaker 2 (33:02):
How do you know? That's care like Nick?

Speaker 3 (33:05):
Nick?

Speaker 2 (33:06):
Alan Jackson should hire a Nick Rocker.

Speaker 4 (33:08):
Nick's been anything.

Speaker 2 (33:09):
It's fantastical. I love it. I love when we have
him on.

Speaker 3 (33:12):
But one thing I admire about Nick is Nick is
not afraid and doesn't shy away from anybody who wants
to have a conversation with him that thinks the other way.
And if you're listening to this this conversation six one, seven, nine,
three five, if you have anything to ask Nick, But
oh my god, we've made it, Nick, eight weeks and.

Speaker 2 (33:32):
We are here, we have arrived. What how are we
feeling this morning?

Speaker 14 (33:38):
I got a good feeling. You know, last year around
this time we all had a good feeling as well,
and you know, it was a it was five days
of deliberation too long. I think today, you know, we heard,
we heard Judge Beverly Canoni say yesterday she's gonna have

(33:59):
to ten to give them until about five thirty today,
which I think the jury at this point, you know,
they they will promise things that didn't come, you know,
to fortune through the Commonwealth, and I think they're just
done with this. Going into a weekend, I'm assuming they
probably don't want to come back on Monday if they
don't have to. Though, I would say the one most

(34:20):
disappointing thing if I was a juror come today, is
six of them are going to be told that, hey,
sorry for sitting here for the last two months, but yeah,
we don't need you. And as a juror, I could
see that being very frustrating.

Speaker 3 (34:34):
Nick, Why don't we Because you know, I was kind
of thinking that this morning driving in what we would
chat about. I don't think I think a lot of
people on this show are learning about the judicial system
through us, whether that's a good or a bad thing.
So why don't you break that down for everybody because
most people, I think an average civilian would think if
a juror has been sitting in that courtroom, they're going
to get to deliberate, they're going to get to say

(34:54):
not guilty or guilty. Tell everybody what the system actually
looks like.

Speaker 14 (35:00):
So the way it works in Norfolk County is usually
you pick during a trial, usually pick about sixteen jurors,
and you only have twelve that deliberate, meaning there's twelve
people that ultimately go in a room, they talk about
the case, and then they come to a conclusion whether
guilty or not guilty. In this situation, Norfolk County took

(35:20):
eighteen jerors this time, so now six of them are
going to basically so one through eighteen, the little random
bingo balls going a little container. They shuffle it up
and they're going to pull six balls out today and
you'll see it on TV. And the number on those
balls will then determine who is going to have to
basically sit out and not deliberate. And I'm not sure

(35:44):
if they have to actually be at the courthouse during
all of deliberations. I would assume so. But if not,
they go home. But yeah, six of them who have
just spent the last eight weeks sitting there listening to
what we all heard, you know, they no longer to
have a say, and they'll basically become one of us,
you know where where it's crazy in their opinion doesn't matter,

(36:06):
right because they weren't one of the twelve that were picked.

Speaker 3 (36:10):
And we've talked about that a million times myself, you
santi form. We could have all these big, robust opinions,
but it doesn't matter. It only matters to those jurors.
Were they convinced. Did a Hank Brennan style matter of
fact right to the point, did that attract them? Did
a Alan Jackson or a Baba LESSI yelling and screaming

(36:31):
and punching in the air and very theatrial.

Speaker 2 (36:32):
Did that appeal to them? Who else we're going to see?

Speaker 14 (36:37):
I mean, I mean put it this way, I don't
think the Commonwealth is ever ever going to get a
guilty verdict. I think we're looking at either an acquittal.

Speaker 4 (36:47):
Or a mistrial.

Speaker 6 (36:48):
I just I just.

Speaker 14 (36:49):
All in a million years, I could never ever see
twelve twelve people sitting down in a room and saying, yeah,
she did that nice. It's just never going to happen.

Speaker 3 (36:57):
Not twelve. I agree with you. I mean, we literally
just took a poll this morning. We were like, let's
just you don't have to say who you are, you
don't have to say where you're from. Do you think
guilty or not guilty? And it was overwhelming not guilty,
but there were some guilties and then they hung up.
So I we get that.

Speaker 2 (37:13):
You know, it's it's always right.

Speaker 14 (37:15):
I mean, every poll you do is about eighty percent
says not guilty. And I'm talking. I mean, I've looked
at some of the Court TV polls. You got thirty
forty thousand people voting in these polls, and it's like
eighty to ninety percent not guilty. So to the ones
who do believe she's guilty, I just don't. I just
don't see it.

Speaker 2 (37:33):
I just don't trust poll I don't know they had
Trump down anyone like I don't. I don't trust Poles.

Speaker 6 (37:38):
The mixed point, there's just you. You can't.

Speaker 7 (37:41):
You can't in good faith find this lady guilty with
all the reasonable doubt that exists in this case, you
can't do it.

Speaker 6 (37:49):
I agree with Nick.

Speaker 7 (37:50):
It's either you find it not guilty or you say
a mistrial and we just keep doing this thing over
and ova. There's no way they present to you all
these things and all this reasonable doubt and you say, Yep,
she did it. I I gotta be blinded in and
give it a guilty verdict.

Speaker 2 (38:02):
Yeah, I don't.

Speaker 3 (38:03):
I don't think you ever say it that way. But
I do think there's a scenario in which a Jerrem
might be like, I think she maybe did this, But
I also think there's a world in which they mess
this up so bad and there's too many other question
marks around it that we have to give her a
not guilty verdict.

Speaker 14 (38:19):
But here's the thing is, you just said the word maybe.
So if you even consider the word maybe when you
go into deliberation, that's reasonable. Oh, you have to vote
not guilty unless you go in there and you are
dead set one hundred percent that she did it. You can't.
By the way the system is set up. You're not
supposed to vote guilty if you have the slightest question

(38:41):
in your mind, could this have happened? Maybe this happened.
I don't know what happened. That's all reasonable, Doe, and.

Speaker 3 (38:46):
I just don't see a world in which somebody can
say guilty without any question marks.

Speaker 2 (38:52):
I just I can't. I don't.

Speaker 3 (38:55):
I can't see it. But again, we're here because it
happened the first time. There was a mist out for
a reason. And even again, like even if you're in
conversation with people, you most of the time can find
one person that thinks one way and one person that
thinks the other. But I kind of go back to,
you know, BEV saying, the jury looks sped up.

Speaker 2 (39:11):
You know, we've had so many cybers, all of the things.

Speaker 3 (39:14):
Maybe this jury really will be like give us the case,
we will do this quickly.

Speaker 2 (39:19):
We don't want to go into the weekend. We want
to we want to get this done today.

Speaker 3 (39:22):
How is Karen feeling, nick, because I know you're you know,
you're in content conversation with her and the team, Like
where are they at with everything?

Speaker 14 (39:30):
I mean, they're definitely confident with the case they put forward,
even though you know, we didn't see from specific people
that the whole world wanted to hear from. Again, I
think the case was delivered cleaner this time, reasonable doubt
was laid out that they're very confident in what they
did this time around. You know, but at the end
of the day, their client and her herself are are

(39:53):
facing a penalty of life in jail. I mean, so
when you wake up that morning, I'm sure you know
the nerves of it, because you just don't know what's
going to happen at the end of the day, and
you're you're sitting on hold until you get a phone
call saying you know, there's either a note from the
jury or there's a verdict in and when that, when
those words are said, I can only imagine how the

(40:13):
whole team is going to feel because you just don't
know what's gonna what you're walking into. Yeah, but if
if the jury is like the rest of the the
rest of us out here, I think they're going to
see what we all saw. And one of the biggest
things and one of the most interesting things that I
found this time was people who did not watch the
first trial, who had no idea about the first trial.

(40:34):
I was seeing some stuff online of them saying, you know,
I didn't watch the first trial. I watched the second
trial in full. I don't know how anyone's gonna find
her guilty, so that that's a good sign. So people
who didn't get to see the butt dials and the
lies and the and the text messages the way we
saw at the first time still have the same impression
on the second trial that she she's not guilty.

Speaker 3 (40:53):
Nick, let's go to the phone lines because a lot
of people are calling to kind of weigh in or
just chat with you. Ash and Lemonster on with Nick Rocco,
and you know you are just you're a fan.

Speaker 15 (41:05):
Yes, good morning, I'm a first time caller. I just
wanted to say thank you for everything that you've relayed
to the public. I think you've done a really good
job explaining it. I have followed the whole case since
the first trial. I have agreed with everything you've said.
Everything that's you know, come to light. I definitely think
it's gonna be free Karen read. But also Turtle Boy

(41:28):
got freed yesterday. So I just wanted to thank you
for everything that you've related to us.

Speaker 14 (41:34):
Oh well, I appreciate the thanks, but you know, at
the end of the day, I'm just speaking the truth
and everybody needs to know it. And and Unfortunately, the way,
the way that this world has gone is media can
sometimes quiet things and quiet the truth.

Speaker 4 (41:50):
So I'm I'm glad that.

Speaker 14 (41:52):
Ashley Santi and Foreign have actually given me the opportunity
to come on Aaron and let you guys know what
I know as well.

Speaker 3 (41:59):
I love that thinking Nick Will has a good question.
Will go ahead of your home with Nick Rocco.

Speaker 16 (42:06):
Hello, Hi Will, how you doing?

Speaker 2 (42:10):
Go ahead and ask Nick your question?

Speaker 5 (42:13):
Nick?

Speaker 16 (42:13):
I wanted to know how come like she got a
mistrial the first time? Like if it was a reasonable doubt,
like shouldn't she got shouldn't have been done with? Like
the trial should have been done with? Because if there's
a reasonable doubt, like that's reasonable for miss trial?

Speaker 3 (42:31):
Will thank you, Nick, I can I can regurtate, but
I'm pretty sure you understand what he's trying to say.

Speaker 4 (42:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 14 (42:37):
So basically, if a verdict is not delivered inside the
courtroom and it's in the judge declares that a mistrial, Uh,
there's no verdict. So technically there was no answer whether
she was guilty or not guilty. So when when there
is a mistrial in court, that gives the prosecution and
the state the opportunity to retry it again, and they

(42:58):
can retry this case as many times as they want
until an official verdict is read inside the court room.

Speaker 2 (43:03):
Anonymous is in Woolster. Hi, Anonymous, good morning.

Speaker 6 (43:07):
Hey, good morning.

Speaker 14 (43:08):
For one, I just want to know, if she's not guilty,
who's guilty?

Speaker 6 (43:12):
Who killed the guy?

Speaker 2 (43:13):
Thank you, Anonymous, Nick, I know you get this a
million times. I get this.

Speaker 3 (43:18):
If Karen Reid in fact went home that night she
dropped John O'Keefe off at the house at thirty four
ver Verview, he went inside, who do you think is responsible?

Speaker 14 (43:28):
If you had to say, that's an interesting question. Someone
inside that house not Karen Reid. And I'll leave it
at that. I mean, I think if anybody, I don't
like to specifically name names, but we have you know,
I believe that it's the same people that the defense
believe had a hand in this. And unfortunately nobody. If

(43:52):
Karen Reid is not guilty, no one is going to
go down for killing John O'Keefe. No one's going to
be held responsible, because how can the state now say,
after three years, Hey it was Karen, it was Karen?
Or is Karen then all of a sudden, no, actually, wait,
we were wrong it was this person. Yeah, they've been
defending these people inside the house for the past three

(44:13):
years that that they can't even they can't physically bring
these people up on charges. So I think it's going
to be a cold case and the state's gonna claim
we have the right person. The jury just didn't get
it right.

Speaker 3 (44:23):
Tiffany is in Boston, Ti, tiff we were just talking
about how dug in the commonwealth is. They can't go
anywhere other than we think Karen did it at this point.

Speaker 5 (44:37):
Well, and honestly, I just heard that question.

Speaker 14 (44:39):
And it's not.

Speaker 5 (44:40):
Carrie's offense teams job to determine who did it. It's
a commonwealth So that honestly hate when people ask that question.

Speaker 2 (44:47):
Well, I see, I don't hate what people asking.

Speaker 3 (44:48):
I think they just they're just interested to know, you know, Yeah,
they're just it's interesting.

Speaker 2 (44:52):
I like to know.

Speaker 3 (44:53):
Okay, So what is your theory because there's many theories
surrounding it, right, There's there's the Brian Higgins alley, but
there's I think.

Speaker 5 (45:01):
That I think an accident happened. I think not in
an accident, I don't think they intended for this to happen,
but I do think there was a fight that happened
inside the house. I've been around and it actually the
way they were drinking something, I think an accident happened.

Speaker 2 (45:19):
Then why you know, just to give that back? Why
why wouldn't we just right like, why wouldn't.

Speaker 14 (45:24):
We because I knew you were going to ask this.
The reason why he didn't call the police is because
at the end of the day, somebody accident or not,
somebody's going to jail for murdering him.

Speaker 2 (45:35):
Right, No, I get it.

Speaker 14 (45:37):
That's why they didn't call because at the at the
end of the day, the cover up happened because they
wanted to stay out of jail. So now, if somebody
calls the police and says, hey, a fight happened, someone
fell back, they hit their head, he's now dying, and
he ends up dying, you're going to jail.

Speaker 3 (45:52):
But if they have enough pull to cover up a
a a death in a home, wouldn't they have enough
pull to make a call and be like, hey, an
accent happened here.

Speaker 2 (46:02):
We all got to come together and make sure this
person doesn't go to jose You know what I mean?
Like they have enough they can't cover up is thick.

Speaker 14 (46:08):
Like if it's yeah, and you have now you have
people inside the house, like now you have crime, like
it becomes a whole big deal. I mean it would
be it would.

Speaker 2 (46:17):
Be either way.

Speaker 14 (46:19):
Yeah, But I think now now it's specifically one of
those people inside the house that did something, you know
what I mean. But when they when they put John outside,
it could have been anybody. They could have They could
have blamed Lucky the plow driver. They could have said
John came in, he left, and he said he was
walking home and all of a sudden he ended up
on the front lawn. Like One thing I've always wondered

(46:40):
the most was, say Karen didn't wake up that morning
and they didn't go back to thirty four Fau Road.
At this point, there was almost four inches of snow
on the ground. This was at six in the morning.
Say that the Albert family doesn't wake up until eight
in the morning, there's another three inches of snow. So
would John have been under the snow until all the
snow melted, you know, later in February. I've always thought
about that if if if they didn't go there at

(47:02):
six in the morning and find him, would he ultimately
have been underneath the snow for the next two weeks
until it melted, and then they would have found his body.
That's something I've always thought about.

Speaker 2 (47:12):
Justin is in Saugust. Hi, Justin, Good morning, how are
you doing?

Speaker 16 (47:18):
Good morning?

Speaker 2 (47:18):
Good you're almost Rocco.

Speaker 6 (47:21):
This is This is.

Speaker 16 (47:22):
Joshu with on Time Pagan.

Speaker 6 (47:25):
How are you great?

Speaker 2 (47:26):
How are you?

Speaker 10 (47:27):
What's the with you guys?

Speaker 8 (47:30):
I'd like to get some jokes.

Speaker 6 (47:31):
I like to keep the you know, good spirits going.

Speaker 5 (47:33):
I got a cool question you guys ready, what how
do you guys know if you are a gay cook out?

Speaker 2 (47:39):
All right?

Speaker 4 (47:40):
If I'm there, you know guy, You guys don't vet
your calling.

Speaker 8 (47:49):
We do.

Speaker 7 (47:50):
Of course we did not sound nothing like well he just.

Speaker 1 (47:55):
You know, Welboddy, this ain't Court TV.

Speaker 5 (47:59):
No morom.

Speaker 2 (48:01):
Wow, Nick and Nick does the professional stuff at.

Speaker 3 (48:04):
Court TV, And now he's getting asked who goes to
a gay cookout?

Speaker 4 (48:08):
Man?

Speaker 2 (48:09):
Nick? Listen?

Speaker 4 (48:10):
All right, well it is best.

Speaker 2 (48:13):
Hey you know where she is. She's on hold? Do
you want to talk to her?

Speaker 4 (48:16):
Get her on here?

Speaker 2 (48:17):
All right, Hi, Beth, You're on with Nick Rocco.

Speaker 16 (48:21):
Good morning, big dang so excited.

Speaker 5 (48:23):
Yep, I'm still gonna hug your Nick at the end.

Speaker 6 (48:28):
So I'm you know, I'm wondering about you and.

Speaker 16 (48:32):
Janna, Like, there's a lot of rumblings about the fundraising.

Speaker 4 (48:36):
Are you both nervous.

Speaker 5 (48:40):
I'm not one.

Speaker 4 (48:40):
Am I nervous about best?

Speaker 2 (48:42):
I don't even know about the rumblings. I like what
what well?

Speaker 14 (48:45):
People people say, people say I steal money, people say this,
and people make stuff up. I learn a lot of
stuff about myself when I go on Twitter. But to
answer your question, no, I'm not worried in the slightest bit.
I've done nothing wrong. All the money has been folded
to her defense fund or her VENMO, and I have
proof and receipts of everything. So no, never been worried

(49:08):
about it. Won't be worried about it. Yeah, because I
have nothing to be worried about. So that's that's that.

Speaker 3 (49:14):
And I think the most important thing is that you
also have Alan Jackson's self.

Speaker 2 (49:18):
I maybe you got the best defense in the world.
Like Nick's good.

Speaker 14 (49:23):
I always say to them, there's something ever happens to me,
I'm gonna I got all their phone on this, so.

Speaker 3 (49:28):
Right, that's right, all right, Well, listen nine o'clock it
begins closing arguments hour and fifteen minutes on each side.
BEV says, a quick lunch and then after jury instructions,
the jury will have this case in their hands. Let's
just ballpark and say one or two pm if she
can keep them till five or five thirty. Nick, if

(49:48):
you had to say in your gut, do you think
we get that verdict today or do you think it
will go through the.

Speaker 4 (49:54):
Weekend, Well, that's a hard question.

Speaker 14 (50:00):
I mean, would I like it to be today? Yeah,
I think it's going to be today possibly, but it's
too hard to say. I think you know, ultimately we're
going to get a verdict, yes, whether it's I think
either today or Monday. I don't think it's going to
potentially go past monday, but then again, you never know.

Speaker 3 (50:16):
Well, whenever that day is, you know exactly where you
will be. And that's right back here with us. I
can't wait to chat with you.

Speaker 2 (50:22):
And the next time we talk to you, we should
have a vert.

Speaker 14 (50:27):
God will and she should be free too, so we'll see,
all right.

Speaker 3 (50:31):
And by the way, if she is free, I mean
I just want like a hate It's Karen Reid and
you're listening to ninety four.

Speaker 2 (50:38):
I'm out to that. Okay, Nick, all right, thank you
so much. We will talk to you soon. Wait one more,
one more, because this is the ultimate one. Karen Reid.

Speaker 14 (50:47):
Guilty or not guilty, not guilty, I mean every time,
every time. Hopefully this is not Hopefully this time is
the chum.

Speaker 2 (50:55):
Yeah, hopefully this is the last time. Thank you so much,
Beth wild Be Beth tried to insinuate that he was
stealing money that he fund raises for Karen Reid. This
is is just you know, the.

Speaker 4 (51:14):
End of the day with this case, whichever side it
goes on, we're still gonna be left with questions depending
on what you feel.

Speaker 2 (51:18):
Yeah, and and the personal attacks, like no matter what
you think is well. I mean again, I'm an example.

Speaker 3 (51:24):
Any time I say well, you know, I can see
that there's a I get a nasty I'm a dumb
bitch message, and I am a dumb bitch.

Speaker 2 (51:30):
But like not for that reason.

Speaker 4 (51:31):
Yeah, but we're not second trial, so people should understand it.
There's so many questions too.

Speaker 7 (51:35):
But is the worst thing out of this because I
feel she's not going to I mean, there's not going
to be a guilty verdict. That's how I feel right.
It's it's that there's not going to be any justice
for the officer o'keith or his family, Yeah, which is
you know, this is just going to go down as
just a thing with Okay, he died, we don't know
who did it, and we move on, which is the
saddest part of all.

Speaker 3 (51:53):
Of this, because that that would I mean, if you
lose a child, it's like, that's what I'm there's nothing
worse than that, obviously, but that it's like to have
this unopened yeah, zero zero.

Speaker 2 (52:07):
But then maybe there is they in their.

Speaker 7 (52:09):
Minds it was her, and that's what I'm saying. So
if that's my son and I'm like, nah, she did it,
you know, I'm now mad that the justice system didn't
do what they needed to do to get her or
whoever it was that killed my kid in jail.

Speaker 6 (52:22):
So it's it's it's yeah, but this.

Speaker 4 (52:24):
Case was never really about that. In the public though,
this case turned into a thing about her, I know,
and that's unfortunate too.

Speaker 7 (52:31):
I feel it this case turned into the state defending themselves,
to be honest with you, because everybody's blaming.

Speaker 2 (52:36):
It in their work exactly.

Speaker 7 (52:37):
That's what I'm saying so. To me, it always felt like, okay, cool,
she's gonna try for the murder. But it's really the
defense trying to prove that, no, we did not cover
this up. No we did this with integrity and honorably
and all of these things, and it's it didn't come
out that way.

Speaker 6 (52:51):
I don't think.

Speaker 3 (52:52):
Well, we shall see. It could be verdict Friday, It
might be verdict Monday. Hold on, let me just do
a quick pause. But the real question is, and something
we will never know, is how you know if you're at.

Speaker 4 (53:03):
A gay cookout, if they have hot dogs and buns.

Speaker 9 (53:06):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (53:06):
Was that going to be the answer. I liked you
being there. Better, all right, everybody that's gonna do it
for us?

Speaker 3 (53:11):
On what could be verdict Friday, Friday the thirteenth, we
shall see. Things are officially underway in debtam, So we
got to get out of here so we can hear
these closing arguments.

Speaker 2 (53:21):
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