April 23, 2025 • 22 mins
@jasminstclaire joins the show to talk about her transition from adult entertainment to the extreme world of ECW, training behind the curtain, and the pain of the kendo stick! We dive into the evolution of women’s wrestling, her role in WrestleCon Las Vegas!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to the Battleground Podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
You'll pay for all things and exclusive interviews with some
of your favorite wrestlers. Podcast stop it.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
What's up you guys? Welcome back into iHeartRadio's official wrestling podcast,
The Battleground Podcast. I am joined by my tag team
partner Eli and Man. There is so many things going
on during WrestleMania week, but the thing that a lot
of people are going to not WrestleMania. There's gonna be
a lot of people there, But the thing that we're
going to that we're excited about is Wrestle kan where
(00:46):
you get to get up close in personal with some
of your favorite wrestlers and divas and everything in between.
And joining us today, somebody who is gonna be at
wrestle Khan, who you're gonna meet, Maybe she'll hit you
with a Kendos stick. Give it up for Jasmine Saint
Claire joining this for you.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
Thank you for having me. And yes, maybe if someone's lefty,
IL beat them with a windowstick. Possibly.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
I bet you that comes with a higher price tag too.
I think you got to pay extra for that, right.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
I think so? Yeah. I mean, but there are times
when we've worked with people who wanted me to hit
them harder, and then I say to myself, wait, what
do you do in your spare time?
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Right right right, You're like, I don't know if I
want to do that, and it's not worth the money
to hit you that because I'm not good into that.
But let's let's kind of dive into We're gonna talk
all things wrestling, all things wrestle con and you know
one thing, you had a very well known and acclaimed
profession before you got into wrestling. What inspired you to
make the jump to the world of professional wrestling.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
Well, I grew up watching wrestling on TV, so I
grew up watching like Miss Elizabeth Erry Martell. Later on,
I enjoyed watching women's work, Nancy Sullivan. She's one of
my favorites. Then, you know, it was an opportunity where
Rob Black was doing something with E c W with
Paul Hayman, Like, I don't know what they had planned,
(02:06):
but they brought me in for a pay per view,
and I just wanted to go back. You know, there
was no place for me after dealing with you know,
low rent people and you know those adult those movies.
Am I allowed to say adult films? I just.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
People haven't figured out what we're talking about now, then
they obviously don't know.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
I had better things to do with my time, and
I really loved training because I was trained to wrestle originally,
but because of my size, I was always used as
a manager. And I'm totally fine with that. So yeah,
it was just a great jump. And I quit working
for Rob completely and I just went over to e
c W. And I was working with Jerry Lawler at
(02:51):
that time as well, who was a lot of fun
to train with, like Steve and Regal and those guys.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Well, I'll plug this real quick. I plug it on
every other show. So I'm from Jackson, Tennessee. So Memphis
wrestling is like a mecca for me. When you say
Jay Lawler, I've watched more matches of his than I
can remember. So yeah, that's that's a I just want
to chime in on that. So, speaking of ECW, you know,
they were an independent wrestling company, but they obviously changed
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the world. We're still talking about them today. Not a
lot of people get to, you know, not only be
on screen and in the ring and stuff like that,
but be behind the curtains too. What was the atmosphere
like during your time with ECW, not only inside the
ring with the crowd, but also behind the scenes.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
That's a great question. So I feel as though behind
the scenes, first of all, let's go there. It was
very supportive. It reminds me very much of what JCW
Juggler Championship Wrestling is behind the scenes. And I'm not
just saying that because I've worked there, but that's really
the truth. People help people, People are really nice to
one another. Everyone wanted everyone else to succeed, So that's
(04:02):
one thing I noticed in ECW, and everyone was just
very authentic, right, So I believe one of the reasons
we did stand out, and I hope I'm not digressing
too much, is because everyone was their authentic self. So yes, me,
Jack was gangster, so he was being dur in the
ring times fifty. Sandman is a brawler that will, you know,
(04:23):
have beers with you times that in the ring, you know,
times fifty. So it just made it very unique, like
nobody felt fake or unauthentic right in the ring. I
think the fans are the best. They're very passionate, they
were very appreciative of stuff going on, and it really
built up the adrenaline because everyone just interacted with everyone
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ringside and people were there to watch the show. So
it's great. It was a great thing. Could it ever
be recreated. I don't know, but I feel as though
it's something. It was sex and violence, and that's what's
so Whether or not in today's temperature, people are too
afraid to do that, but I think it's it's a
(05:05):
formula for success, right, Yeah. Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
And you know, kind of staying there with the whole
ECW thing. You know, once you got behind the curtain
and you talked about how you started training as wrestling,
and that was the thing. What was the toughest part
of training to enter the world of professional wrestling?
Speaker 3 (05:25):
The unexpected? You know, you don't know what's going to happen.
If you're prepared to protect yourself. I have this rule
of thumb. Every manager should always be trained properly, so
you know what you know what's going on in the ring,
you know where your spots are, you how to protect yourself.
It was crazy. I was trained by Mondo Guerrero and
(05:46):
Sue Sexton who worked for Glow at one point. Yeah, people,
and you know, going to Memphis and training they're working
with Steve Reegal and who are those other two basis
suplex mey both and those guys. It was, yeah, it
was very different, Like you know, you're just not sure
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what's going to happen. You just got to do it
right and hopefully best right right.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
It's always we always ask that question because some people
will be super athletic and they're like, well my struggle
was promos, or some people can talk and talk and talk,
but they're like that first bump knock the win out
of you know, like, so we're always we always like
to ask now, and I.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
Would think like, like, I was always athletic growing up,
so nothing came as a shock except Nicole Bass, who
choke slammed me and I specifically told her, let me
take my own bump, do not drag me to that,
and she did the opposite of what she was told.
The rest of your soul. But I just wasn't sure,
(06:48):
like if I was being set up to fail or succeed.
So you know, I'm here twenty six years later, So
whatever the formula was, it worked for me.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Yeah, absolutely. You know. Recently, former w w ant Biggie
uh was asked about various things about wrestling, and he
paraphrasing here he quoted. He was quoted saying he'd rather
get hit with a chair or go through a table
than get hit with a kindow stick. Why do you
think the kindo stick has kind of become almost like
(07:15):
the symbol for hard for wrestling? Like, you know, why
why do you think that's been so popular kind of
as a result. I think really because of ECW.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
Yeah, because of Sandman obviously. Yeah, yeah, so unusual. I've
used it for the past two and a half years.
Upon my last return to XPW, I use it on
some shows, but that's really if you you could really
hurt someone with that, if you don't loosen it the
right way, you don't like them, you know. I guess
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things happen. I think it's because Sandman brought it up
and that's why it's associated with hardcore wrestling, and no
other company really used it then either, I don't. I
don't think WW none of those companies, right, No.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
I think that's another thing. I think people don't realize
that stuff's gimmicked and they kind of think, oh, it's
a kindowstick, little it's a weapon, though, like you can
do some damage with that thing.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
Yeah, I mean you can't exactly go walking around the
street with it because it's from a martial arts so oh,
I'm going to go train you like and whack right.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
Yeah, yeah, it's uh, it's while we Uh.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
I went to a wrestling show and I took my
youngest kid with me and they had a kindo stick
there and they let him. They one of the guys
handed it to him and my kid got to hit
him with it, and he's like, that's awesome, And I
had to explain to him. I was like, that's a
real kindo stick and that's why they let you do
it compared to letting me just go full on King
Griffy Junior swing at it. But he's getting into wrestling
(08:43):
and he's kind of figuring things out. But you know
something that we've noticed here and I've.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Do you think there's room in the modern landscape for
a American women's wrestling in the sense of like how
the like the Josie uh promotions are overseas it's really
sport based and it's athletic base, and it's going to
be you know, kind of left center of what we
see like on WW and some you know modern wrestling programs.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
Yeah, I think there's room for it. It's possible. I mean,
I actually know, you know not. Let me take that back.
I don't think. I think if there was room for it, it
would have been done already. You know, I don't know
what the ratings are overseas on these things. I have
no idea. So we're not saying that the American market
is misogynistic or backwards. It's just the way it is, right,
and it's you know, you have great women wrestlers that
(09:35):
are out there, and you have lousy one some of
their greats, you know, Lisa Marie Varon, Lucim Marie. Then
you have MEDUSA people like that. But nowadays it's just
it's too much. And if you want to watch it
like all women's then you know, then the formula only
or something right.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
Yeah, yeah, that makes sense. Well, let's talk about the
big events. Wrestle KHN taking place April seventeenth, the twentieth
at the Westgate, Las Vegas Resort and Casino. Uh T
get so available at russell I think it's russell Con
dot com slash Vegas. This is where I went. I think,
so yes, So for those who don't know, maybe give
(10:14):
us a little explanation of what this is, maybe a
little history and then you know, and then specifically how
you got involved with Russell Kan.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
Yeah. Well, it's been around for a while. They usually
have it every weekend when there's WrestleMania, but I think
this year they expanded. They had it in our last year,
so they had it in Indiana. They're doing one around the
time of Summer Slam in New Jersey, but the Vegas
one is the biggest one. It's in it's the same
weekend of WrestleMania, so a lot of people are coming
in for that show already. It's fans from all over
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the world. It's very packed. I got started just signing there,
and that was always fun because you get to meet
everyone and you also get to see you know your
friends and make new friends. That's how I got guests
for like my podcast a lot of the time. Uh,
(11:05):
you know, last year was a very crazy one in
Philly because that's the whole Cadbury Easter Egg incident that
was at the Hotel Bar. I don't know if you
guys heard about that, but it was really messed up.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
Yeah, yeahsh yeah, it's okay, that's funny.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
So maybe he'll maybe the Cadbury guy will be there
this year over but so this this year was really
different for me. I worked with Big Japan Wrestling sometimes
Madman Pondo brought me there and I was managing him,
a necro butcher. So I was there last year and
there's a person that I do business with now and
(11:41):
again who said, Hey, I wonder if we get Mudah
the Great Muda. So you know, I really didn't think
it would happen, but I forgot. I actually used to
run a wrestling company called three Pew That was my company,
right Niza was a great person, by the way, so
he used to work for Mutah. I'm like, what are
the chances this will happen? I highly doubt it. So
(12:04):
we're sitting at ribera steakhouse. I'm getting my jacket eating
and then we got a text from Mazowata. At this time,
it's like okay. It was like three trains to get there.
There was a taxi somewhere involved, and I'm like we
met up with Azawa. I'm like, where are you taking us?
This does not feel normal. Next thing, we get off
(12:28):
with the final train stop, We're going up a hill.
I'm just thinking the worst possible scenario, but it was
a small restaurant. So I met with him and his
wife and we worked out a deal to bring him in.
And I'm excited because he's one of the greats. He's
a Hall of Famer. Pre sales have been great. I've
also realized I've had friends that never really existed, but
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all of a sudden, they're popping up right asking this
for that. It's like, I'm sorry, when was the last
time we actually spoke, right, But I'm excited to bring
in the guests like that. And if this goes well,
you know, let me Summer Slam and I have a
few things at my sleeve, so I'll sign stuff not
till Sunday. I want to see how this goes for
(13:10):
both dates. And you know, we've been getting bombarded with
privates for him, so that's another thing. It's been exhausting
because it's so much going back and forth getting photos printed.
I don't think people really know what goes into it.
When vendors come out to set up tables, you're getting
merchandise printed, You're trying to get in at the same
time that your guest do. You're trying to work out
(13:32):
the logistics of setting up the booth and having everything
ready the next morning. But what I really like about
this year is the pro photo ops. So Muda will
be there with Sting as well. And that was the
perfect opportunity that Wressell Khan brought my way. It was, Hey,
Sing's going to be here. Do you think Mudo would
be interested? Of course, I think that's perfect. There'll be
(13:52):
people who've never met him. But when you come to
the table, it's more than just autographs. It's an experience.
You get the photo ops or autographs that you got him.
Plus I have little gift bags for people with little
Muda things in there, balls and trading cards. I didn't
know he had trading cards, but someone made them a
few years ago. But it's it's a long day, and
(14:13):
you know, people just can't take it all in in
one day. You want to go all three days. And
I have a Friday and Saturday. Saturday night I work
a show there like azillion shows to go to, but
I'm working for j CWT Mianopolis at midnight, which will
be interested?
Speaker 2 (14:30):
Nice? Uh you can, We'll spare you going through our
back catalog which you can ask battle. Muda is one
of my top ten, maybe top five of all. No,
let me be honest, it is Eli's top one. It goes,
it goes between him and Staying. I go back between
(14:50):
them a lot. So I I don't even know what.
I don't even know what to say that I'm beating
great Muda.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
I get your photos. I know you guys have belts
be so I would just come by and get a
photo on me. It'll I think you'll have a fun time.
Just don't like sweat and get crazy or anything like that.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
Yeah. My, when I when I get star struck, it's
just this, I'm just silent.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
I'm just it was very silent when we did a
thing with Sting and Eli just said, hey, take the
photo and then walked away.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
And coincidentally, I was wearing my great Moda shirt when
I bet Sting.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
So yeah, anyways, Well, you mentioned that you're going to
be also signing as well, and this is kind of
one of these things where you think about it because
I'm sure that people have brought some some things for
you to sign that you're like, what is this. What's
the craziest, wildest thing somebody's brought to you to sign?
Speaker 3 (15:49):
Well, we'll start with a guy that had a vile
of his own blood.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
Hm hmmm, I want to sign it?
Speaker 3 (16:03):
Yeah, okay, some guy. Yeah, I mean, I there's there
are things I know. Once I lost a shoe ring side.
Someone found it and brought it to me to show,
but didn't want to give it back to me, but
wanted me to sign it. And it was this whole
argument over a shoe. We're standing there as two adults.
I'm like, what the fuck am I? What am I doing?
(16:24):
I'm arguing with you over a shoe? Okay, you know here,
just I'll sign it. But this is how much I
want because they don't make those anymore. Yeah, they're like
a key pair of throwaway shoes because you get when
you're in the ring, you know you're in the ring,
and that match just blood all over the shoes glass
And I think that's what it was, all the blood
and glass that was stuck to the bottom of a
shoe that I lost at the show on But uh,
I think the vial is really the craziest thing. It's just, yeah,
(16:48):
it takes a very unique sort of person to, uh,
to do that.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
I couldn't even imagine what's going through your mind when
you look at and you're like, oh, what's this and
you're starting to say and he's like, it's my blood,
and you're like, go on, I know.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
I signed it at charge of like, yeah, I have
a good day. In the back of my mind, I'm
thinking this guy has like dead bodies in his closet
and that's probably someone else's blood from his last victim.
More than like you, I'm not being judgmental, you know.
This is why I really think, you know, working with
somewhere like j c W, the fans are a little
bit more mild. Yeah, they're Juggalos and Juggallettes and they
(17:29):
have a pretty hot crowd of fans that really love wrestling.
And I think violent Ja has a love for the
business the business as well, which is, uh, it's a
big deal. You know, to be around this type of thing,
you really have to have a love for it. Uh.
To bring in you know, guests, you have to have
a love for the business as well. Absolutely, I'm excited,
(17:52):
like I've never I never thought about doing this before.
But maybe it's like a whole other business venture, you know,
so who knows where it goes.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
It's definitely a if you if you build it, they
will come. I mean the first one I went to
was in twenty eighteen, and literally the best wrestling I
saw was not at WrestleMania. It was the indie shows.
It was the signings, the you know, meeting all the
wrestlers and stuff. I mean, that's all I talk about
from that trip, really is some of the matches that
(18:21):
I saw from there, and you know, all that kind
of stuff. So uh yeah, it's just this whole little
ecosystem builds up around it, and it's just it's incredible.
It's just such a fun event.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
I want to And that's like you said, it's an experience.
You know, you're buying. You're not buying just a photo.
It's a whole experience. So that don't walk off when
you see Mudo. Don't say hey and just go right right.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
I'll do my best, UF like please missed me right now?
Yeah yeah yeah, yeah, now we're starting. I'm starting to
get shaky, so let's go. So, speaking of uh, you know,
signings and stuff, have you thought about a a second
edition of your book?
Speaker 3 (19:00):
See, there was never really a first edition. That guy
is like a known liar. Oh photos from someone that
I'd signed off the rights to so there's like, you know,
he built up things from articles and stuff, but they'll
be a first edition of the book. You know, I
never really thought about it because I just don't care
about shit like that. It's the strangest thing, though, Uh,
(19:24):
you know, you have people out there that want a
book so bad I want a book. Well, I don't
want to read about your life. I'd much rather live
a life and do cool stuff and not get caught
up in doing a book. But if I just I mean,
maybe I don't know, maybe I mean me, I don't know.
It just seems like so time consuming. I had a
one woman show prior to the pandemic that was doing
(19:44):
really well. So I don't know if you know who
Don Jamison is that metal show and he's a connic.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
Oh yes, of course.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
Yeah. So I just we're actually emailing this morning, so
he's helping me rewrite parts of it. So I'll do
that again and maybe they'll be book from that.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
I could piggy back off. Yeah yeah, yeah, Well.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
The name of the show is a weird kind of fame.
So when I did the workshop performances, there were fifty
minutes because they were all at Second City, because I
took improv there and did their whole conservatory program. So
that's fine. But I think for something like you know,
bigger shows, it's got to be at least an hour
and fifteen. I'm not going to do like Mike Tyson length.
He was like two hours at his show. I couldn't
(20:27):
like stomach it at one point because I just I'm like, man,
I'm just sitting here. I'm just I had to go. Yeah. Yeah,
it was I like to show a lot. It was simplistic.
Everything was the story.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
But there's a limit for your audience. I mean, you know,
there's a sweet spot.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
So yeah, I'm excited. Though, So if I do the book,
it won't be for another ten years, and I'm not
doing it on my own. I want someone. I need
a ghost writer. Yeah, but it wants someone to help me.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
Well, by the time you're ready, I mean you'll have
even more stories to put out and stuff. So, I mean,
you know, coming from the source itself, I think that's
going to be a much better situation than what's out
there now.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
Yeah, I didn't even read that trash out there. You know,
I hope his dick falls off or something.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
Well, you know, I know that there's a lot of
things going on for you. You've still got some things to
plan for restlicant and everything. But before I let you go,
we kind of want to know, with your time being
an AC, if you have one, do you have like
a funny Paul Hayman story that you could share with us?
Speaker 3 (21:31):
Oh? Sure, there are a couple. I think the best
one was five minutes before ten minutes before going after
the ring, He's describing this pile driver off of the
top roa and like right after he's like, so, do
you feel comfortable doing that? I'm like, yeah, okay, sure,
Uh it's just a very funny way to approach someone.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
Yeah, that is that.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
Then he was he had me going on this whole
thing with Screen Actors Guild. And then it's just he
worded the lettering differently. Well, no, it's not sad, it's
a fag. I'm like, huh, so you had me going
on this whole thing once. But I mean, for the
most part, I kept it very professional with him, and
he was always really nice. But that was a I
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think that story sticks out in my brain for a while.
So many things could have gone wrong that night.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
It was yeah, absolutely, Well, Jasmine we don't want to
take up too much your time. I know you still
got more things to plan for Wrestle Khan. But before
we let you let you go, anything you want to
say to people that are watching or listening to this
right now.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
Yeah, come out to Wrestle Khan. It's a wonderful experience
for everyone. I feel as though there's something for everyone there.
Support indies and so forth. Check out JCW Lunacy or
on YouTube. Now. We have some TV stuff we're working on,
but it's it's also a great show. It's something for everyone.
And make sure you turn into my podcast, Crazy Trained Podcast.
(22:53):
It's crazy with a K and you know, just check
me out on my socials, The Real Jazzmine Saint Clair
Welcome to the Battleground Podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
You'll pay for all things and exclusive interviews with some
of your favorite wrestlers. Podcast stop it.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
What's up you guys? Welcome back into iHeartRadio's official wrestling podcast,
The Battleground Podcast. I am joined by my tag team
partner Eli and Man. There is so many things going
on during WrestleMania week, but the thing that a lot
of people are going to not WrestleMania. There's gonna be
a lot of people there, But the thing that we're
going to that we're excited about is Wrestle kan where
(00:46):
you get to get up close in personal with some
of your favorite wrestlers and divas and everything in between.
And joining us today, somebody who is gonna be at
wrestle Khan, who you're gonna meet, Maybe she'll hit you
with a Kendos stick. Give it up for Jasmine Saint
Claire joining this for you.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
Thank you for having me. And yes, maybe if someone's lefty,
IL beat them with a windowstick. Possibly.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
I bet you that comes with a higher price tag too.
I think you got to pay extra for that, right.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
I think so? Yeah. I mean, but there are times
when we've worked with people who wanted me to hit
them harder, and then I say to myself, wait, what
do you do in your spare time?
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Right right right, You're like, I don't know if I
want to do that, and it's not worth the money
to hit you that because I'm not good into that.
But let's let's kind of dive into We're gonna talk
all things wrestling, all things wrestle con and you know
one thing, you had a very well known and acclaimed
profession before you got into wrestling. What inspired you to
make the jump to the world of professional wrestling.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
Well, I grew up watching wrestling on TV, so I
grew up watching like Miss Elizabeth Erry Martell. Later on,
I enjoyed watching women's work, Nancy Sullivan. She's one of
my favorites. Then, you know, it was an opportunity where
Rob Black was doing something with E c W with
Paul Hayman, Like, I don't know what they had planned,
(02:06):
but they brought me in for a pay per view,
and I just wanted to go back. You know, there
was no place for me after dealing with you know,
low rent people and you know those adult those movies.
Am I allowed to say adult films? I just.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
People haven't figured out what we're talking about now, then
they obviously don't know.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
I had better things to do with my time, and
I really loved training because I was trained to wrestle originally,
but because of my size, I was always used as
a manager. And I'm totally fine with that. So yeah,
it was just a great jump. And I quit working
for Rob completely and I just went over to e
c W. And I was working with Jerry Lawler at
(02:51):
that time as well, who was a lot of fun
to train with, like Steve and Regal and those guys.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Well, I'll plug this real quick. I plug it on
every other show. So I'm from Jackson, Tennessee. So Memphis
wrestling is like a mecca for me. When you say
Jay Lawler, I've watched more matches of his than I
can remember. So yeah, that's that's a I just want
to chime in on that. So, speaking of ECW, you know,
they were an independent wrestling company, but they obviously changed
(03:21):
the world. We're still talking about them today. Not a
lot of people get to, you know, not only be
on screen and in the ring and stuff like that,
but be behind the curtains too. What was the atmosphere
like during your time with ECW, not only inside the
ring with the crowd, but also behind the scenes.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
That's a great question. So I feel as though behind
the scenes, first of all, let's go there. It was
very supportive. It reminds me very much of what JCW
Juggler Championship Wrestling is behind the scenes. And I'm not
just saying that because I've worked there, but that's really
the truth. People help people, People are really nice to
one another. Everyone wanted everyone else to succeed, So that's
(04:02):
one thing I noticed in ECW, and everyone was just
very authentic, right, So I believe one of the reasons
we did stand out, and I hope I'm not digressing
too much, is because everyone was their authentic self. So yes, me,
Jack was gangster, so he was being dur in the
ring times fifty. Sandman is a brawler that will, you know,
(04:23):
have beers with you times that in the ring, you know,
times fifty. So it just made it very unique, like
nobody felt fake or unauthentic right in the ring. I
think the fans are the best. They're very passionate, they
were very appreciative of stuff going on, and it really
built up the adrenaline because everyone just interacted with everyone
(04:44):
ringside and people were there to watch the show. So
it's great. It was a great thing. Could it ever
be recreated. I don't know, but I feel as though
it's something. It was sex and violence, and that's what's
so Whether or not in today's temperature, people are too
afraid to do that, but I think it's it's a
(05:05):
formula for success, right, Yeah. Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
And you know, kind of staying there with the whole
ECW thing. You know, once you got behind the curtain
and you talked about how you started training as wrestling,
and that was the thing. What was the toughest part
of training to enter the world of professional wrestling?
Speaker 3 (05:25):
The unexpected? You know, you don't know what's going to happen.
If you're prepared to protect yourself. I have this rule
of thumb. Every manager should always be trained properly, so
you know what you know what's going on in the ring,
you know where your spots are, you how to protect yourself.
It was crazy. I was trained by Mondo Guerrero and
(05:46):
Sue Sexton who worked for Glow at one point. Yeah, people,
and you know, going to Memphis and training they're working
with Steve Reegal and who are those other two basis
suplex mey both and those guys. It was, yeah, it
was very different, Like you know, you're just not sure
(06:06):
what's going to happen. You just got to do it
right and hopefully best right right.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
It's always we always ask that question because some people
will be super athletic and they're like, well my struggle
was promos, or some people can talk and talk and talk,
but they're like that first bump knock the win out
of you know, like, so we're always we always like
to ask now, and I.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
Would think like, like, I was always athletic growing up,
so nothing came as a shock except Nicole Bass, who
choke slammed me and I specifically told her, let me
take my own bump, do not drag me to that,
and she did the opposite of what she was told.
The rest of your soul. But I just wasn't sure,
(06:48):
like if I was being set up to fail or succeed.
So you know, I'm here twenty six years later, So
whatever the formula was, it worked for me.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Yeah, absolutely. You know. Recently, former w w ant Biggie
uh was asked about various things about wrestling, and he
paraphrasing here he quoted. He was quoted saying he'd rather
get hit with a chair or go through a table
than get hit with a kindow stick. Why do you
think the kindo stick has kind of become almost like
(07:15):
the symbol for hard for wrestling? Like, you know, why
why do you think that's been so popular kind of
as a result. I think really because of ECW.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
Yeah, because of Sandman obviously. Yeah, yeah, so unusual. I've
used it for the past two and a half years.
Upon my last return to XPW, I use it on
some shows, but that's really if you you could really
hurt someone with that, if you don't loosen it the
right way, you don't like them, you know. I guess
(07:46):
things happen. I think it's because Sandman brought it up
and that's why it's associated with hardcore wrestling, and no
other company really used it then either, I don't. I
don't think WW none of those companies, right, No.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
I think that's another thing. I think people don't realize
that stuff's gimmicked and they kind of think, oh, it's
a kindowstick, little it's a weapon, though, like you can
do some damage with that thing.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
Yeah, I mean you can't exactly go walking around the
street with it because it's from a martial arts so oh,
I'm going to go train you like and whack right.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
Yeah, yeah, it's uh, it's while we Uh.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
I went to a wrestling show and I took my
youngest kid with me and they had a kindo stick
there and they let him. They one of the guys
handed it to him and my kid got to hit
him with it, and he's like, that's awesome, And I
had to explain to him. I was like, that's a
real kindo stick and that's why they let you do
it compared to letting me just go full on King
Griffy Junior swing at it. But he's getting into wrestling
(08:43):
and he's kind of figuring things out. But you know
something that we've noticed here and I've.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Do you think there's room in the modern landscape for
a American women's wrestling in the sense of like how
the like the Josie uh promotions are overseas it's really
sport based and it's athletic base, and it's going to
be you know, kind of left center of what we
see like on WW and some you know modern wrestling programs.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
Yeah, I think there's room for it. It's possible. I mean,
I actually know, you know not. Let me take that back.
I don't think. I think if there was room for it, it
would have been done already. You know, I don't know
what the ratings are overseas on these things. I have
no idea. So we're not saying that the American market
is misogynistic or backwards. It's just the way it is, right,
and it's you know, you have great women wrestlers that
(09:35):
are out there, and you have lousy one some of
their greats, you know, Lisa Marie Varon, Lucim Marie. Then
you have MEDUSA people like that. But nowadays it's just
it's too much. And if you want to watch it
like all women's then you know, then the formula only
or something right.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
Yeah, yeah, that makes sense. Well, let's talk about the
big events. Wrestle KHN taking place April seventeenth, the twentieth
at the Westgate, Las Vegas Resort and Casino. Uh T
get so available at russell I think it's russell Con
dot com slash Vegas. This is where I went. I think,
so yes, So for those who don't know, maybe give
(10:14):
us a little explanation of what this is, maybe a
little history and then you know, and then specifically how
you got involved with Russell Kan.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
Yeah. Well, it's been around for a while. They usually
have it every weekend when there's WrestleMania, but I think
this year they expanded. They had it in our last year,
so they had it in Indiana. They're doing one around the
time of Summer Slam in New Jersey, but the Vegas
one is the biggest one. It's in it's the same
weekend of WrestleMania, so a lot of people are coming
in for that show already. It's fans from all over
(10:45):
the world. It's very packed. I got started just signing there,
and that was always fun because you get to meet
everyone and you also get to see you know your
friends and make new friends. That's how I got guests
for like my podcast a lot of the time. Uh,
(11:05):
you know, last year was a very crazy one in
Philly because that's the whole Cadbury Easter Egg incident that
was at the Hotel Bar. I don't know if you
guys heard about that, but it was really messed up.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
Yeah, yeahsh yeah, it's okay, that's funny.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
So maybe he'll maybe the Cadbury guy will be there
this year over but so this this year was really
different for me. I worked with Big Japan Wrestling sometimes
Madman Pondo brought me there and I was managing him,
a necro butcher. So I was there last year and
there's a person that I do business with now and
(11:41):
again who said, Hey, I wonder if we get Mudah
the Great Muda. So you know, I really didn't think
it would happen, but I forgot. I actually used to
run a wrestling company called three Pew That was my company,
right Niza was a great person, by the way, so
he used to work for Mutah. I'm like, what are
the chances this will happen? I highly doubt it. So
(12:04):
we're sitting at ribera steakhouse. I'm getting my jacket eating
and then we got a text from Mazowata. At this time,
it's like okay. It was like three trains to get there.
There was a taxi somewhere involved, and I'm like we
met up with Azawa. I'm like, where are you taking us?
This does not feel normal. Next thing, we get off
(12:28):
with the final train stop, We're going up a hill.
I'm just thinking the worst possible scenario, but it was
a small restaurant. So I met with him and his
wife and we worked out a deal to bring him in.
And I'm excited because he's one of the greats. He's
a Hall of Famer. Pre sales have been great. I've
also realized I've had friends that never really existed, but
(12:49):
all of a sudden, they're popping up right asking this
for that. It's like, I'm sorry, when was the last
time we actually spoke, right, But I'm excited to bring
in the guests like that. And if this goes well,
you know, let me Summer Slam and I have a
few things at my sleeve, so I'll sign stuff not
till Sunday. I want to see how this goes for
(13:10):
both dates. And you know, we've been getting bombarded with
privates for him, so that's another thing. It's been exhausting
because it's so much going back and forth getting photos printed.
I don't think people really know what goes into it.
When vendors come out to set up tables, you're getting
merchandise printed, You're trying to get in at the same
time that your guest do. You're trying to work out
(13:32):
the logistics of setting up the booth and having everything
ready the next morning. But what I really like about
this year is the pro photo ops. So Muda will
be there with Sting as well. And that was the
perfect opportunity that Wressell Khan brought my way. It was, Hey,
Sing's going to be here. Do you think Mudo would
be interested? Of course, I think that's perfect. There'll be
(13:52):
people who've never met him. But when you come to
the table, it's more than just autographs. It's an experience.
You get the photo ops or autographs that you got him.
Plus I have little gift bags for people with little
Muda things in there, balls and trading cards. I didn't
know he had trading cards, but someone made them a
few years ago. But it's it's a long day, and
(14:13):
you know, people just can't take it all in in
one day. You want to go all three days. And
I have a Friday and Saturday. Saturday night I work
a show there like azillion shows to go to, but
I'm working for j CWT Mianopolis at midnight, which will
be interested?
Speaker 2 (14:30):
Nice? Uh you can, We'll spare you going through our
back catalog which you can ask battle. Muda is one
of my top ten, maybe top five of all. No,
let me be honest, it is Eli's top one. It goes,
it goes between him and Staying. I go back between
(14:50):
them a lot. So I I don't even know what.
I don't even know what to say that I'm beating
great Muda.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
I get your photos. I know you guys have belts
be so I would just come by and get a
photo on me. It'll I think you'll have a fun time.
Just don't like sweat and get crazy or anything like that.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
Yeah. My, when I when I get star struck, it's
just this, I'm just silent.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
I'm just it was very silent when we did a
thing with Sting and Eli just said, hey, take the
photo and then walked away.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
And coincidentally, I was wearing my great Moda shirt when
I bet Sting.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
So yeah, anyways, Well, you mentioned that you're going to
be also signing as well, and this is kind of
one of these things where you think about it because
I'm sure that people have brought some some things for
you to sign that you're like, what is this. What's
the craziest, wildest thing somebody's brought to you to sign?
Speaker 3 (15:49):
Well, we'll start with a guy that had a vile
of his own blood.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
Hm hmmm, I want to sign it?
Speaker 3 (16:03):
Yeah, okay, some guy. Yeah, I mean, I there's there
are things I know. Once I lost a shoe ring side.
Someone found it and brought it to me to show,
but didn't want to give it back to me, but
wanted me to sign it. And it was this whole
argument over a shoe. We're standing there as two adults.
I'm like, what the fuck am I? What am I doing?
(16:24):
I'm arguing with you over a shoe? Okay, you know here,
just I'll sign it. But this is how much I
want because they don't make those anymore. Yeah, they're like
a key pair of throwaway shoes because you get when
you're in the ring, you know you're in the ring,
and that match just blood all over the shoes glass
And I think that's what it was, all the blood
and glass that was stuck to the bottom of a
shoe that I lost at the show on But uh,
I think the vial is really the craziest thing. It's just, yeah,
(16:48):
it takes a very unique sort of person to, uh,
to do that.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
I couldn't even imagine what's going through your mind when
you look at and you're like, oh, what's this and
you're starting to say and he's like, it's my blood,
and you're like, go on, I know.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
I signed it at charge of like, yeah, I have
a good day. In the back of my mind, I'm
thinking this guy has like dead bodies in his closet
and that's probably someone else's blood from his last victim.
More than like you, I'm not being judgmental, you know.
This is why I really think, you know, working with
somewhere like j c W, the fans are a little
bit more mild. Yeah, they're Juggalos and Juggallettes and they
(17:29):
have a pretty hot crowd of fans that really love wrestling.
And I think violent Ja has a love for the
business the business as well, which is, uh, it's a
big deal. You know, to be around this type of thing,
you really have to have a love for it. Uh.
To bring in you know, guests, you have to have
a love for the business as well. Absolutely, I'm excited,
(17:52):
like I've never I never thought about doing this before.
But maybe it's like a whole other business venture, you know,
so who knows where it goes.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
It's definitely a if you if you build it, they
will come. I mean the first one I went to
was in twenty eighteen, and literally the best wrestling I
saw was not at WrestleMania. It was the indie shows.
It was the signings, the you know, meeting all the
wrestlers and stuff. I mean, that's all I talk about
from that trip, really is some of the matches that
(18:21):
I saw from there, and you know, all that kind
of stuff. So uh yeah, it's just this whole little
ecosystem builds up around it, and it's just it's incredible.
It's just such a fun event.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
I want to And that's like you said, it's an experience.
You know, you're buying. You're not buying just a photo.
It's a whole experience. So that don't walk off when
you see Mudo. Don't say hey and just go right right.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
I'll do my best, UF like please missed me right now?
Yeah yeah yeah, yeah, now we're starting. I'm starting to
get shaky, so let's go. So, speaking of uh, you know,
signings and stuff, have you thought about a a second
edition of your book?
Speaker 3 (19:00):
See, there was never really a first edition. That guy
is like a known liar. Oh photos from someone that
I'd signed off the rights to so there's like, you know,
he built up things from articles and stuff, but they'll
be a first edition of the book. You know, I
never really thought about it because I just don't care
about shit like that. It's the strangest thing, though, Uh,
(19:24):
you know, you have people out there that want a
book so bad I want a book. Well, I don't
want to read about your life. I'd much rather live
a life and do cool stuff and not get caught
up in doing a book. But if I just I mean,
maybe I don't know, maybe I mean me, I don't know.
It just seems like so time consuming. I had a
one woman show prior to the pandemic that was doing
(19:44):
really well. So I don't know if you know who
Don Jamison is that metal show and he's a connic.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
Oh yes, of course.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
Yeah. So I just we're actually emailing this morning, so
he's helping me rewrite parts of it. So I'll do
that again and maybe they'll be book from that.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
I could piggy back off. Yeah yeah, yeah, Well.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
The name of the show is a weird kind of fame.
So when I did the workshop performances, there were fifty
minutes because they were all at Second City, because I
took improv there and did their whole conservatory program. So
that's fine. But I think for something like you know,
bigger shows, it's got to be at least an hour
and fifteen. I'm not going to do like Mike Tyson length.
He was like two hours at his show. I couldn't
(20:27):
like stomach it at one point because I just I'm like, man,
I'm just sitting here. I'm just I had to go. Yeah. Yeah,
it was I like to show a lot. It was simplistic.
Everything was the story.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
But there's a limit for your audience. I mean, you know,
there's a sweet spot.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
So yeah, I'm excited. Though, So if I do the book,
it won't be for another ten years, and I'm not
doing it on my own. I want someone. I need
a ghost writer. Yeah, but it wants someone to help me.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
Well, by the time you're ready, I mean you'll have
even more stories to put out and stuff. So, I mean,
you know, coming from the source itself, I think that's
going to be a much better situation than what's out
there now.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
Yeah, I didn't even read that trash out there. You know,
I hope his dick falls off or something.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
Well, you know, I know that there's a lot of
things going on for you. You've still got some things to
plan for restlicant and everything. But before I let you go,
we kind of want to know, with your time being
an AC, if you have one, do you have like
a funny Paul Hayman story that you could share with us?
Speaker 3 (21:31):
Oh? Sure, there are a couple. I think the best
one was five minutes before ten minutes before going after
the ring, He's describing this pile driver off of the
top roa and like right after he's like, so, do
you feel comfortable doing that? I'm like, yeah, okay, sure,
Uh it's just a very funny way to approach someone.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
Yeah, that is that.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
Then he was he had me going on this whole
thing with Screen Actors Guild. And then it's just he
worded the lettering differently. Well, no, it's not sad, it's
a fag. I'm like, huh, so you had me going
on this whole thing once. But I mean, for the
most part, I kept it very professional with him, and
he was always really nice. But that was a I
(22:13):
think that story sticks out in my brain for a while.
So many things could have gone wrong that night.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
It was yeah, absolutely, Well, Jasmine we don't want to
take up too much your time. I know you still
got more things to plan for Wrestle Khan. But before
we let you let you go, anything you want to
say to people that are watching or listening to this
right now.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
Yeah, come out to Wrestle Khan. It's a wonderful experience
for everyone. I feel as though there's something for everyone there.
Support indies and so forth. Check out JCW Lunacy or
on YouTube. Now. We have some TV stuff we're working on,
but it's it's also a great show. It's something for everyone.
And make sure you turn into my podcast, Crazy Trained Podcast.
(22:53):
It's crazy with a K and you know, just check
me out on my socials, The Real Jazzmine Saint Clair
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