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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Welcome to Faith in the Zone on the Big nine
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I Mike mcgiffern flying Sola this week. Pastor Ken Keltner
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Thirty four years coaching men's basketball, college men's basketball and
regional director for the State of Texas of Coaches, and
I very seldom ever start the show yelling at somebody,
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but I'm a yell at Tim Carter for a minute, Coach,
how you been.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
I'm doing fine. Life is good, my friend.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
Well, I got to ask you, coach. You got asked
a number of years ago to walk on at Kansas. Yeah,
I mean, how many people get that opportunity? And the
assistant coach and watched you play a fraternity basketball tournament,
and Duncan Reid walked up and said, look, we'd love
to have you walk on, and you turned them down.
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You could have been part of the Jayhawks basketball team
in the late seventies.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
Well, I had played two years of junior college basketball,
and when Duncan Reed saw me play in a fraternity
a tournament and offered me a chance to walk on,
I knew what that meant. I knew I'd be the
defensive gopher in practice. I knew that I'd be on
the end of the bench. And I knew that I
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was a very average student. And I knew that I
was going to be graduating by the hair a raisor
thin hairline, And so I knew that if I went
out for the team, that I'd probably ended up getting
out of school a little bit later than I thought
I should get out. Looking back on it, I wished
I had done it. It may have changed some things
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with my career, but at the time I think I
made the right move.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Well, I got to tell you, if first of all,
it's an honor to be asked, that means you have
some gamp. If Kansas comes up to you and says, hey,
we think you could you could make our team as
a walk on, and and you know you're gonna have
to take a bunch of charges and put the balls
on the rack at the end of practice. But man,
that you know what an honor that would have been. Hey, coach,
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before we get into this show, one of the schools
where you're the all time winning this head coach, University
of Texas, San Antonio, and again doing some research for
the show, and it looks like last month a former
head coach, Stu Stu Starner passed away at the age
of eighty one, and I believe, if I'm doing the
math correctly, you might have taken over for him. And
(03:15):
I you know, I'm sorry for that program in that
community that their their former head coach passed away at
mid July.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
You know I did replace Stu Stu and I became
in the two years that he stayed around San Antonio,
we became friends. Just a wonderful man, a great gentleman,
and he went back up to Montana after he retired
from working I believe, at the twelfth Man Foundation at
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Texas A and M. And went back up to Montana
where he had a great career and just a really
good man. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
I've read two articles about him, and he left a
really good life legacy, not only at the University of
Texas San Antonio, but it seems wherever he went coach,
he left places better than when he got there. And
I think that, you know, certainly he will be missed,
not only with his family but the basketball community.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
You know, he was so good to me my first
year there that I started a dinner at the end
of each year. I started a thank you dinner for
all of the boosters who had supported the program, and
I gave out an award each year, and the highest
award was called the TC Award, which I guess egotistically
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that those are my initials. Tim Carter and I gave
this real nice plaquout every year for eleven years, and
the first recipient of that plaque was still starting. Because
how good he was to me. And you just don't
find that very often when you replace a guy that
he comes back and he's a great asset and still
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was just a wonderful human being.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
Yeah, you don't find when when you replace somebody that
they that they're willing to help you a whole lot.
And uh, I just think that those articles I read, Coach,
I had tears in my eyes because he just as
as basketball coaches and I coached at the high school
level for a long time about the same amount of
time that you coach at.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
The college level.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
And what we hope when when we're done coaching is
that we've let we've you know, left a legacy of
young men that that understand the importance of of being
on time and and you know, we're teaching kids at
the high school level what it's going to be like
to be a husband and a father and be a
really solid, you know, human being in our communities. And
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reading the stuff about him, I knew I had to
say that, you know, I feel bad for you know,
the family and the basketball community that he just he
really had a great legacy there. Coach, I have to
ask you, and I've been thinking about how to ask this,
but I'm just going to be blunt with it. You're
the all time leading, the all time coaching, the winning
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coaching at University of Texas, San Antonian. After eleven years,
they made the decision to move on. And I'm wondering,
you know where you were at that point in your
life because it took them to the NCAA tournament twice.
You've won more games than anybody else. And when they
decide to move on, I know where I would have
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been in my head thinking that, man, maybe basketball is
not where I.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
Want to be.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
But I'm wondering where you were, you know, mentally at
that point in your life.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
I was completely caught off guard. We were going through
a rebuilding year. Eight out of eleven years as head coach,
I finished first, second, or third, and those other three
years were always rebuilding years. And that was a rebuilding year,
and I was really caught off guard. There were no skeleton,
there were no scandal. My guys were graduating, uh and
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and and what happened was but basically this, I had
a boss who did not hire me, and figure that
if there's ever a time to make a move, now's
the time to do it. Because he was he was
in a rebuilding year. But I had another year left
on my contract and I never thought in a million
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years that they would reassign me. And and that's what
they did. And I learned a valuable lesson. I've told
so many young coaches this, Never ever ever sign a
contract where they can reassign you. Either sign a contract
where if they want to go in a different direction,
just pay you your money and move you on, versus
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reassigning you, which basically means they're going to continue to
pay you, but they're going to put you in a
different department hoping that you leave. And that was one
area of my contract that I learned after that. I
never signed another clause in my contract that had reassigning.
But UH called me off guard. I was surprised, and
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to this day, I don't know why other than the proverbia.
Not the proverbia, the statement has always made we we're
deciding to go in a different direction, because I sure
hadn't done anything wrong. And up to that point, no
program had won more games than we did in ten
straight years. UH, no program had gone to the NCAA
Tournament more than we did. It was just a time
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that a lot of ads want their own guys.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
Yeah, well, I thank goodness for Leonard Hamilton that Florida
State and you know he, uh, he reached out to you,
I think fairly quickly and said, hey, you know what,
come on, join my staff. Let's let's uh, let's hang
out again together. And and you know you went from
a I head coach at university to Texas, San Antonio
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to join in a great staff and a really good
coach Leonard Hamilton at Florida State.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
You know, I had worked for coach Hamilton for three
years at Oklahoma State. And when we left Oklahoma State,
we left so many great players there that coach eighty
seven came in and took that program to the highest
heights that's been toing many many years. And so when
that when? When? When? When I was reassigned at UTSA,
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I was working for the student student student life department
at UTSA. Never forget it. I was going on a
family reunion, going to a family reunion in Atlanta, and
I was at the airport and I get a phone
call to Coach Hamwill and he said, listen, you deserve
to be a head coach. Come back and work for
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me for at least a year and we'll get you
back in as a head coach, and I thought, if
I'm gonna do this, there's no better guy to do
it with than my former Boston. So I went to
Florida State, and to be real candid with you, I
probably left too soon because I really missed being a
head coach and I probably should have stayed for a
couple more years. But thank God for Coach ham terms
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of reaching out to me, and because I couldn't, I
could have stayed in San Antonio because they owed me
for another year. Could have stayed there and worked and
maybe gone someplace else as a head coach maybe, But
I really thought getting back in the groove again and
getting back under Coach Hamilton and being in the ACC
would really help me, and so I made that move.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
Coach, I gotta tell you, doing research for the show,
there's a couple of quotes that I've written down and
I laugh at as I've reading them now. But somebody
had asked you a question about Danny Manning, and you said, look,
Manny was a freshman and he ended up having I
think twelve points or something in the game that you
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guys played, and they asked you if you knew Manny
was going to being a great player. And you said, look,
a dog will bite you, even if even as a puppy.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
And I just laughed at that, because, man.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
I wish I was coaching, and as a varsity basketball
coach at the high school level, we have some freshmen
that sometimes these are puppies, but they can bite a
little bit. And I wish I would have had that
quote and the other one for me when they were
talking to you about, you know, the keys of of
of being such a winning basket winning the winning is
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coach in school history. What made you such a great coach?
And he said, look, the key is to get good players.
You can't win the Kentucky Derby with a donkey. And
I thought, man I went and I went to a
basketball camp down in Chicago one time, and and there
are a lot of really big time college basketball coach
from Jerry Tarcanian to Loude Olsen to Jimmy Valvano. We're
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speaking and lot of Jimmy v followed Loude Olson and
there's probably a hundred guys in almost like a classroom
style hotel room. And Jimmy got up there and said,
coach Valvana got up there and said, hey is lout
Are you still here? And looted left and he goes,
all right, everything, Luke just told you. Forget about here's
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the deal. Get good players now. Don't get good players
the way they said. I got good players. Let's go
get good players and you'll win games. Let's talk about
the Green Bay Packers. Let's talk about Vince Lombardi. I
love vincelam party. And he went on for twenty five
minutes talking about the messages that he learned from listening
to Vincelambarti and it was the best part of that
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coach is clinic. I can tell you that Jerry Tarcati
was pretty entertaining, but nothing like Valvano and loud Olsen
was never cracked a smile. He got on whiteboard and
he talked about, you know, running the twelve press and
we're to trap, we're not depressed. And I'm like, all right,
this is really good stuff. But Valvano got up there
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and said, just go get good players. That's how you're
gonna win games. Our special guest today he is Tim Carter,
thirty four years coaching college basketball. He's now the regional
director for the State of Texas for the Nations of Coaches. Hey, Tim,
before we get to a break, how long have you
been involved with Nation of Coaches? And I know from
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your background, you know you're a board member for the
National Association of Basketball Coaches and with the Fellowship of
Christian Athletes. And we'll get into your testimony and segment two,
but I'm wondering the transition from being a coach to
being involved with Nations of Coaches? How long? How long
ago did that happen? And how long you've been involved
with them?
Speaker 2 (13:23):
UH? In October, it'll be the completion of three years
that I've been with the Nations of Coaches UH. And
it's it's it's it's an organization. It's a Christian based organization.
We serve college basketball, specifically on the men's side, and
we're slowly UH starting to move into the women's side.
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And primarily we serve head coaches UH and their programs.
And our number one thing that we do is to
place character coaches behind the scenes of collegiate basketball programs.
The coaches love cough them a dime and it's been
a very successful organization. It's only a fifteen year old
organization and we have really really made inroads in the
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college basketball I could not think of a better thing
for me to be doing at this part, this point
in my career in my life, to give back to
the game of basketball and to get back and serve
college coaching the way that I'm doing right now. I
love it and I wake up every morning and even
though it's a job, it's not a job.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
Amen to that. Guys.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
You could go to Nations of Coaches dot com Nations
of Coaches dot com and if you go to their
coaches into their team, you will see some of.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
The guys we've had on in the past.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
Right, Mike Lightfoot was on years ago with us, Jim
Good and Billy Dunn. We've had Kelly Kennedy on a
number of times and with a book that she wrote
and when she was a Division one a college basketball coach,
and she's doing doing a great job, as Tim just
talked about on the women's side for Nations of Coaches,
if you go to that website again, Nationsofcoaches dot Com,
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you'll find the bio, nice picture of coach Carter and
then his bio and at the end of the bio
there is a support Tim button. And that's how these
guys get paid, just so you know, they gather support
for people that believe in the ministry that they have
and this is such a good ministry. When you heard
Tim talk about when I wake up, man, I'm ready
to go, and this is it's my job.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
But it's not really a job. I think.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
I feel like we're doing great work with nations of coaches.
If you're feeling led to help his ministry, hit that
support TEP and honestly, if it's twenty dollars, that's great,
if it's one hundred bucks a month, that's great, whatever
you're feeling led to do. But rid his bio and
that we can't get to everything on his bio. He
has been a very very successful coach. Other than turning
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down the walk on roll at Kansas, I can't find
too many things I can yell at this man about
he mostly manned a man too, mostly manned a man,
which I really really like. We'll get to a break
other side of the break, Coach Tim Carter, he will
share his testimony with us. This is Faith in the
Zone on the Big nine twenty in your iHeart Radio app.
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Welcome back to Faith in the Zone. On the Big
nine to twenty in your iHeart Radio app. This is
Mike mcgivertt again flying solo this week. Pastor Ken Keltner
from Brookside Baptist Church will be back in studio with
me next week coming from the Donovan and Jordanston Heating
and Cooling Studios. Our special guest, and I'm really enjoying
this conversation. He has coached Tim Carter thirty four years,
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coached college basketball a lot of different places, but he
left his mark at the University of Texas San Antonio.
Let his NCAA tournament twice, led them to the tournament twice,
and he said the all time win his coach in
school history.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
But he's been around man.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
He coached Oklahoma State, he coached, he was a grad
assistant at Oklahoma, assistant coach Midwestern State University. He was
at Northwestern for a bit and before we ask him
to share his testimony. When I called him and we
talked for about a half hour. The other day, we
talked about Pat Baldwin, former head coach at UWM, and
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I can tell you, Tim, I haven't heard anything negative
about Pat Baldwin as far as being what kind of
man he is what kind of player he was, what
kind of coach he was, And you were a big
fan of coach Baldwin.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
Pat was a freshman at Northwestern the very first year
I arrived at Northwestern, and I was there for four
years with Pat, and he was a tremendous leader, tremendous person.
He has become a tremendous father and I love the guy.
I love him to death. He's one of my favorite
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guys that I've ever in my thirty four years of
being in the profession. I wish this time in Milwaukee
had been more productive, but I have absolutely nothing but
great things to say about Pat Baldwin and the and
the person he's become. Uh as of today.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
Amen to that.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
I wanted I wanted here in Milwaukee. I wanted to.
I wanted somebody else, you know, to say that. And
and for somebody who closed him for four years at
Northwestern to say what you just said is really high
praise and thank you for that, hey, Tim. The second
segment on faith in his own is our favorite, and
it's the one that we get by far the most
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response people asking the most questions when we ask our
guests to share their testimony and if you would be
so kind.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
Uh, thank you. I I went to Kansas University, and
I was just dumb enough to think I wanted to
be a computer science major, and I had recently accepted
Christ into my life. About three or four months earlier.
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My best friend was sitting out in front of my
house and he asked me a question. He says, if
you were to die today, do you know where your
soul would end up? And I was raising the church,
but I wasn't active, I wasn't involved, And when he
said that to me, he shared Christ with me. I
accepted Christ into my life in the spring of nineteen
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seventy six, and we've been best friends for over fifty
years now. But I went on to Kansas University and
very next year and I thought I wanted to be
a computer science major. And I'll never forget. I went
to a class trigonometry class, and I had gotten through
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junior college basically never taken any math whatsoever. And I
did graduate from junior college. And that teacher could have
been talking Russian to me. As far as I knew,
I had no idea what the teacher was talking about.
I walked out of the classroom on my way down
to my car. If anybody's ever been to King's University
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at the top of the hill, and I was walking
down to my car, which was a pretty steep walk down,
and I just prayed, Lord, what do you want me
to do? And I prayed. By the time I got
down to my car, God had spoken to me. What
do you like? I like basketball? What do you like
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being around? I like being around young people. And when
I got to my car, God told me, you need
to be a coach so you can pour into young
people and do something that you love to do. And
so I changed my major the next day went into education.
Uh spent spent three years at Kansas University, and was very,
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very lucky that my high school basketball coach, about a
month before I was about to graduate, calls me up.
He says, Tim, I'm going to retire in one year.
I'd love you to come back and be my assistant
for a year and take over for me. But that's
kind of how it all got started to be in basketball,
and as far as being becoming a Christian, my best
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friend witness to me and uh Uh. Then I went
on to back to Wichita, Kansas and coached there for
three years before I started as a college basketball coach.
Speaker 3 (21:39):
Hey, Tim, can I ask what your best friend's name?
Speaker 2 (21:42):
Terry Johnson?
Speaker 3 (21:44):
I is Terry still with us?
Speaker 2 (21:47):
Terry still lived, Terry's a year older than I am.
Terry's in wichital Kansas. Uh, Terry passed a church for
a few years. But but yes, he's still. Oh yeah,
he's still He's he's still. Absolutely, he's still.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
Man.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
I hope that that you know, I'll get you a
copy of this show, and I hope that you'll send
it to him, And I hope that he understands when
when when somebody is sharing their testimony and they're able
to tell me where they were and who it was
that asked them that question, I think that's so powerful. Coach,
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talk about you know your best friend had enough courage
and enough guts to ask you that question. And look,
you could have said, look, I'm not talking about this,
I don't want to talk to you about that. Why
are you bringing that up? I want to talk basketball.
Let's go get some shots up. But instead, when he
asked you that question, I'm sure you must have been like,
I don't know. I think somebody in one of the
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churches I was in me have talked about that once,
but then for him to be able to pinpoint that
and say, listen, here it is.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
It's right here in the in the Bible. This is
what it is.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
I think Terry Johnson, and if he was living in Milwaukee,
I'd buy on, Coach, I really would.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
Well, I'll say this, and I've told him this. When
he shared Christ with me, he completely changed my life.
He changed the life of my children. There's a legacy
now of young people that have been affected by his
witness to me. My children have been affected. Hopefully the
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legacy of what he's passed on to me will be
passed on to my grandchildren. I have a wonderful, god
sharing wife. He changed my life when he witnessed to me.
And that's why you should never, ever, ever, ever be
afraid to witness to anybody that they say, I'm not interested,
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so be it. Don't let your ego get in the
way of you sharing Christ or somebody. Because he changed
my life and change the life of my children. And
I'll be forever thankful to him for having the courage
to share with me what he did.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
We're talking to Tim Carter, Regional director for the State
of Texas for Nations of Coaches, thirty four year college
basketball coach, and he's still giving back that servant leadership.
Hart And I don't know what Tim was like before
Terry Johnson asked him that question, but I know this
that all the research I did, everything that weaves through
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all the answers and all the things that he has done,
that he has this servant leadership.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
Hart.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
And again, I want to thank guy like Terry Johnson
for that. You know, Coach, you had talked about your wife, Sheila,
and I'm wondering did you meet her at the college level?
Were you high school sweethearts? Where did you and Sheila meet?
Speaker 2 (24:47):
I went to Wichton North High School and when I
went there, I met her. She was the best friend
of a young lady that ended up dating.
Speaker 3 (25:01):
Okay, well we met.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
We met in high school and we became friends. And
when I graduated from Kansas University, came back home and
and we ran into each other again. We was wee
we talked on the phone all the time, but uh,
we started actually started dating when I came home from
Kansas University. But I met my wife at high school.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
So coach, you and I are like twins.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
So my wife, we just celebrated forty years and I
went out with her best friend in high school and
the day after I a grew the day after we
graduated from high school, and she was the captain of
cheerleading in our high school. And the day after we
graduated from high school, she called and asked me out,
and we've been holding hands ever since. And I keep
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telling her she took a run at the championship and
she won, and she just shakes her head and says,
take the garbage out, man, what do you what are
you talking about? Hey, thank goodness that you could have
you dropped that trigger doventry class right.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
Well, yeah, I mean I was like a lot of
people who math was not my favorite subject and I
avoided math like the plague. And to get through junior college,
all I needed to do was pass a physical science
class and that took care of my math requirement. And
that's what I did. And so so I was, I was,
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you know what's your saying? Man makes plans and God
last ye, Well God was laughing at me because I
thought I wanted to do one thing, and he said no, no, no, no,
You're going to do this over here, and and I'm
so thankful that that I prayed and asked God to
show me, because if we pray honestly and ask God,
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he'll show us. And our responsibility is to respond to
what He says to us.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
Amen to that.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
You know, I had this conversation two days ago at
somebody and they were saying, listen, I I you know,
I'm starting to waiver a little bit in my faith.
I have prayed about this thing for a long time.
And I said, well, sometimes the answer is no, right
that Sometimes you're asking God for something and sometimes his
answer might be no.
Speaker 3 (27:12):
And so we had that conversation for a while.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
And it's funny, Coach, because we had Mike Lightfoot on
years ago on this show when I was doing this
show on another sports station here in Milwaukee. And I'll
never forget this story he told. He said, look, I
was really strong at sharing my testimony in the locker room,
you know, with my team, with my staff. But once
I walked out side of the locker room, I struggled
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a little bit and I read, this is him talking.
I read a book called I'm Not a Fan, and
I spent three extra dollars to get a bracelet one
of those rubber bracelets that you wear, and it said,
I'm not a fan.
Speaker 3 (27:49):
And he said, I was.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
In the produce department of a grocery store and somebody
saw a woman saw the bracelet and said, who aren't
you a fan of And he said, I'm not a
fan of Jesus Christ.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
And the woman said, excuse me, she.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
Said, I'm not. He said, I'm not a fan because
fan said on the sidelines. I'm a follower. Can I
tell you about it? And he said, Mike that he
said that three dollars bracelet opened more doors. He said,
I went out and bought like fifty of them. I
never leave home without it, and that that bracelet, it
just opened so many doors. And he said, you know,
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and I keep thinking to myself, did God wait for
me to be ready or at least feel comfortable to
give me a way to say this to people and
then have that conversation. And he said, if you could
see the look on people's faces when I say I'm
not a fan of Jesus Christ, even non believers go,
whoa what? And he goes, I'm not a fan because
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fancied on the sidelines. But a follower, can I tell
you about it, and I think that's just really powerful.
And when you said that, look, Terry Johnson, he's gonna
sit you down. You're my best friend, Tim, and I'm
gonna I'm gonna ask you this question. And when you said, look,
even if they don't want to talk to you about it,
we don't have to hit him over the head with
the King James version. But we need to as men,
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we need to have these conversations with people.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
Coach Well, I will be forever. And by the way,
I need to get Mike to send me one of
those bracelets.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
Yeah, yeah, do that.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
Ye. When I hang up talk to me, I'm gonna
call him and say, Mike, I need a bracelet. But
you know, many times we allow our ego to get
in the way of us sharing Christ. Our job is
to share Christ and it's God's responsibility to water what
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we've shared. And many times our egos get in the
way of someone rejecting our conversation. That's not what we
should be concerned about. We should be concerned by sharing
the Gospel and let God take care of it from
that point on. And I'll forever be grateful to my
friend Terry Johnson for sharing the gospel with me. Basically,
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like I say, changed my entire life.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
Hey, coach, before we get to a break, you have
two daughters and a son, Kiara Courtney and is it
White and Wheaton Witton. You know my my daughter in
law's name is Kiara.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
Her name is Kara Kara.
Speaker 3 (30:17):
Well it's k I A R A.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
And I thought, wow, I've never met anybody named Kiara before,
and she's she's just the best daughter in law ever.
I tell people, my my my both my son and
daughter went to Marianatha Baptist Bible College here in Wisconsin
and met they met people that are now they're there,
my daughter's husband and my son's wife. And you know
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who won and all that my wife and I. We
won because we've got a really good son in law,
a really good daughter in law that love our kids.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
They're they're great parents to our grandkids.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
And uh I we just couldn't be happier. We got
six grandkids now coaching, and they all live within fifteen
minutes of us. We get a chance to see him
all the time.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
Well, I tell you people say this that grandchildren change
their life. We have three, and that is the absolute gospel.
They change their life, and I tell my daughter all
the time, hey, I'm gonna spoil them rotten, and then
when they leave it's on you to take care of
the rest of it. But I don't care. I'm gonna
spoil them, you and me both.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
I just saw something, a video where it had grandparents
holding the hands of some kids and they're going into
the ocean, and it said, researchers say, the more time
that grandparents spend with their grandkids, the longer their grandparents
will live. And then they showed a picture of the
parents sitting on the beach, you know, with an umbrella
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drink saying, these are the researchers right here.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
So it's like, you know, the kids.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
The kids are saying the grandparents, you keep spending time
with these grandkids so we can hang out on the
beach and we don't have to take them in the
water and buy them dinner and all that stuff. Guys,
we will get to a break, will continue our conversation.
He is Tim Carter, Regional director for the State of
Texas for Nations of Coaches Nations of Coaches dot com
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And again, when you go on that website, do me
a favor and look up their team look up their team,
find this picture of Tim Carter and read the bio
and at the end of the bio there is a
tab to support Tim. This is his mission field. He
does not get paid from the Nations of Coaches directly.
This is his mission field and this is the only
way that they make a living because people feel led
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to continue to help them as they're in different colleges
working with players, coaches and their staff. And I would
truly recommend you take a look at what Tim is
doing and if you're feeling led, please.
Speaker 3 (32:47):
Help support him.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
This is Faith in the Zone on the Big nine
to twenty in your iHeartRadio App. Welcome back to Faith
in the Zone on the Big nine to twenty in
your iHeartRadio App. I'm Mike Bgivern again fly and solo.
This week our special guest. He's a good one. Thirty
four years he coached college basketball. Tim Carter the regional
director in State of Texas for Nations of Coaches. So
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after thirty four years coaching college basketball, this is my
favorite question because I gotta know how this went. He
ended up going back to coach, not at the college level,
not at the high school level.
Speaker 3 (33:24):
He went back middle school.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
He ended up coaching middle school and coach Carter, I
gotta ask you, you go back, you know your NCAA
tournament games and the all time winning his coach in
the history of University of Texas, San Antonio, and you
go back and coach middle school.
Speaker 3 (33:43):
And I'm wondering what that was like.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
I'll tell you it was. It was very humbling from
one perspective. When you're flying on private planes a year ago,
a year before, and now you're walking sixth gradest to
the bathroom, it's a whole different ball game. But you
know what, you know what, when I came back to
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San Antonio, I thought I was going to get back
into college coaching, and I went interviewed for a high powered,
high major assistance job. And I came back and I
told my wife, I think we're going to get offered.
And she says, I thought we were done. And when
she said that to me, in my mind, I says,
you know what we are done. You have been with
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me now for thirty three years, and we've traveled all
over the country. You have sacrificed, and if you're tired
of moving, the least I can do is set some
roots down and that's what we did. So we've been
back here now for eleven years. But I coached. I
went back to middle school because I had taught health
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many years ago in high school and that's what I
really wanted to do, and so I went back. I
got recertified, which basically just mean I took a test.
I've taught middle school. And they asked me. They said, coach,
They said, would you do it's a favor? Would you
mind coaching our eighth grade boys basketball team? And I'm thinking,
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oh gosh, if I say no, I don't want to
do it, does that mean I don't get the job.
So I took it and I coached middle school basketball.
Absolutely loved it. They thought I walked on water. Never
had a parent question me about anything. I had a
great group of guys during the time I did coach
middle school basketball. But I tell you what, I've coached
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at every level, middle school, high school, small college, mid major,
power five, and there's nothing you can tell me about
coaching that I haven't seen. I've seen. I've worked for
Hall of famers, and I've taken six credits to the bathroom.
So I've done it.
Speaker 1 (35:59):
Coach again, when I said look our lives, you know,
kind of similar. I got done coach at the high
school level, and I was out for a couple of years,
and my daughter called me and said, hey, they don't
have a coach for Keegan. He was in seventh grade
at that point at his school. And I said, oh,
that's too bad, you know, I'm sorry to hear that.
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And she said, Dad, they're ten days away from their
first game. Could you just run one practice for them?
Speaker 3 (36:25):
And I go sure. And that was her way.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
Of putting that bait in the land and water, and
she's gonna get a big musky on this one. And
I remember the first practice. I looked around as these
kids were warming up, and I thought, man, other than
my grandson, who's okay, I don't really see a basketball player.
And a kid walked in and he was bigger than
everybody else. He walked in with a swagger, and I
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thought okay. And we did this layup line and I
looked at him. I said what hand do you shoot with?
He goes, I have no idea, and I said, well,
you're horrible at so just pick one. He goes, Okay,
I think I'll be a left hander, And I thought, oh, man,
this is this is not good. And I got home
from practice and I thought, I called my daughter. I said,
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I'm done, you know that, right? I did one practice
and then two days later, because my daughter's very smart,
she had my grandson call in and say, Papa, would
you please coach our team? And I go, yep, if
you're asking you, bet I will. And then I just
had to do it one year and then a teacher
came in that would coach for him. But man, coach,
it's it's hard. And I coached at a high level
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in high school. You at a high level in college.
But when kids, when you're trying to teach what a
triple threat is, right, you're so you're kind of past
that at a certain level, and now you got kids
that don't know what foot to go off of when
they're shooting a layup and you got to break it
down for him. Part of that is fun and part
of it's really frustrating.
Speaker 2 (37:53):
Well, you got that right. If you've been around someone
who knows what they're doing and quickly go to people
who don't have a clue, that can be very frustrating.
I'm sure.
Speaker 3 (38:05):
Yeah, Hey, do you miss coaching at the college level.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
You know, I go to a lot of practices. I
see a lot of coaches coach today. I go to
a lot of games. The part of the game that
I miss. I missed the preparation. I missed the bus rides.
I miss being around guys who are acting goofy. I
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don't miss what the game has turned into, and that
is basically pay for play. I wouldn't want any parts
of that. I don't know how a lot of guys
who have been in the business for twenty years do
it because there's no chance anymore to build tradition, very
difficult to build culture. But there are parts of it
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I miss, and most of it I don't. But what
I do enjoyed doing I knew and Joe looking behind
the scenes, helping promote good character within basketball programs, and
the head coaches love it, and so I am able
to give back. But there's a part of me I
don't miss the other side of it.
Speaker 3 (39:14):
Yeah, I coach, I'm with you.
Speaker 1 (39:15):
And it's funny because I'll be watching a game and
I'll stop it and and go back and stop it
and go back, and I've got a notebook and I'm
and there's a you know, side out of bounce play
that that I thought, Oh, this is good, and I've
taken notes and my wife looks over and she's like,
what are you doing. I go, what, Why are you
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taking notes for this? And I go, I just I
don't know. She goes, I thought you were one hundred
percent retired, and I said, I am, I'm one hundred
percent retired today. You never know, and if anybody, if
I ever get back to it one day, I'm going
to have, you know, a great side out of bounce
play against a man that might get us a bucket.
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So she just shakes her head and laughs, Hey, let's
get to a break. The other side of the break,
Tim Carter again, Regional director for the State of Texas
for Nations of Coaches. We're gonna ask him that question
that we ask all our guests at the end of
the show. All the uniforms you've ever put on, We
put him in a closet. You get to pick one out.
What uniform is it, Who do you play against and why?
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We'll ask him that. On the other side of the break,
This is Faith in the Zone on the Big nine
twenty in your iHeart Radio app. Welcome back to Faith
in the Zone on the Big nine to twenty in
your iHeartRadio app our special guest. He is Tim Carter,
Regional director for the State of Texas. Nations of Coaches.
Go to Nations off cooaches dot Com. Get a great
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idea of what these guys do. See a nice picture
of Tim, read his bio, and if you're feeling led,
hit that support button at the end and help him.
This is his mission. Feel and doing a great job.
We want to help him continue to do that. Tim,
This is a throwaway question a couple of years ago.
Keep asking it because it's always fun to hear the answer.
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All the uniforms you've ever put on your entire life,
we put them in a closet. You get to pick
one uniform out and play one more game with that team.
What uniform is it? Who do you play against?
Speaker 3 (41:13):
And why?
Speaker 2 (41:15):
Uh? That is a very easy answer for me. Wichita
North High School Men's basketball senior year in high school.
Being at North High School was a dream come true
for me. I transferred there from Wichita East High School.
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North High School was a school that had great tradition
and I always enjoyed going to watch their games when
I was growing up. My cousin played there, and when
I became a senior and played on that basketball team,
I only played for one year. It was it was
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it was a dream come true for me. I loved
playing for Dennis Bruno, my high school coach. God bless him,
and so he's gone now. I met my wife there
at North High School. I ended up being in the
Hall of Fame at North High School. Because of my
time at UTSA, I was able to go to the
junior college and Gen Katie recruited me to come to
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hutch Juco and he left and went to Arkansas and
I played the hutch Juco, met my best friend Terry
Johnson at hutch Juco, and then go on to Kansas University.
But North High School holds a deer place in my heart.
And my senior year in the state playoffs, we got
beat by the team that I had transferred from East
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and so if I could put a uniform on again,
it would be to play at North High School. In
that game that we lost, I believe about three points
to a team that we had smoked two games twice
that year.
Speaker 1 (42:54):
Coach, I feel like I just got punched in the
stomach because I can't imagine what it was like for
you to be walking down the street, you know, after
that game, or a week after the game, a month
after the game, or still today, and any of those
East guys they you know, they they wanted to they
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wanted to beat you because you left them.
Speaker 3 (43:16):
I'm sure.
Speaker 2 (43:19):
Well, yeah, yes, and no, I wasn't a great I
was a very average high school player, and I realized
that when I went to junior college. But but yeah,
that that game hurt a lot because we got beat
by the team that I that I had transferred from,
and we had played them twice that year, and we
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just had to play them in substate. We beat them
the other two games, and we lose by three in
substate to a team that that we should have smoked
and we should have been in the state tournament.
Speaker 1 (43:49):
Well, you may have lost that game, but you won
the championship with your wife Sheila. So at the end
of the day, you still win, coach, And that's what uh,
that's what we care about. This has been a great
and I really appreciate your willingness to give us this.
Speaker 3 (44:03):
Amount of time.
Speaker 1 (44:04):
He is Tim Carter again go to nations off coaches
dot Com and take a look at all these bios
and I look, we've had a number of these guys on.
But you know, you hear the passion in Coach Carter's
voice about continuing to serve and utilizing basketball to do this,
and the servit leadership part in his mission field is this,
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and I would ask that you consider helping this ministry
that he has. Hey, Tim, anything you ever need from
me in the state of Wisconsin, please feel free to
call and let Pete wher. He know that we say
thank you.
Speaker 2 (44:40):
You are very welcome, and I appreciate that offer. And
the best to you and your family and whatever you're
about to do in the future.
Speaker 3 (44:47):
You got it. That's Tim Carter.
Speaker 1 (44:48):
This is faith in his own I'm the Big nine
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