October 5, 2023 • 34 mins
The Choir Room Podcast!! A Chicago baded Praise based Podcast discussing traditional praiseal and worship with Inspiration 1390's Sonya Blakey and Deandre Patterson (@sonyablakey) (@deandrepattersonofficial) along with guest Pastor Darrell Smith, Charlie, Antwawn, & Mark Hubbard. The first episode is not one to be forgotten.
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What's up, everybody. It's yourboy DeAndre Patterson, and I am in
the studio. No, I'm inthe choir room with Sonia Blakey. Yes,
your sister friend, my sister friend. Yeah, Sonia Blakey, not
blake I know. It's okay,Okay, Sonia Blaky Okay. In the
choir room. In the choir room. This is a brand new podcast,
and I'm too excited about it becauseSony and I have been talking about,
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you know, the differences with choirsand how things are going today. So
this will be the first one.Sonia. Yeah. In the choir room.
We'll talk choir etiquette, We'll talkchoir music, we'll talk talk choir
sound, we'll talk choir masters.We'll talk everything choir because that's where it
all starts for many of us anyway, right, everything choir in choia.
I started out in the choir atDavis Memorial, AMA Church, Wow,
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doing what singing? I was singingyep, And I tried to direct.
And some of the older people sayhe's too little to be directing, because
I was probably just about two feethigh. But I was trying my best
to get it done. Then youstart in the choir I started everything Jimple
westside soprano. I was at firstsup and I did. Okay, I
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throve we didn't. We don't havethose kind of first sopranos in it.
I know I miss them. Yeahtoo. But we got some guest today
in the choir room, the veryfirst one, Pastor Darrel Smith. God
bless you, God bless you.I had to be here, yeah,
glad to be here. And thenwe got Charlie, and we got Antoine
Resold and then I think we mighteven have Mark up and its coming up
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to it. He's gonna be oneof our guests as well. Yeah.
So talk about the choir man,how's the choir at Cosmopolitan and what what
you say about the choir? Well, the choir is still moving forward.
We're still doing good old gospel music, still pushing, uh. You know,
we love all genre of music,but we just love pushing good old
gospel music, encouraging people. Soyeah, we're still wearing the robes.
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Yeah, still wearing a robe.Still got the discipline. Uh. Back
in the day, they used tosay, after being you have to be
in Sunday School of Bible class orderto sing on Sunday. Same old thing.
You got to make sure you knowthe word in order to sing it.
So we're still doing it the sameold way. It's working. So
what's your thoughts. I think meand Sony started this conversation talking about the
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battle between praise and worship and choirand so because we are in the choir
room and we want to get choirsback in the choir stand, what's the
difference to you between the praise andworship and the choir of music. I
think worship and praise is more aboutthe individual that's singing between them and God,
and gospel music with the choir isto inspire the people. So I
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think it depends on the atmosphere thatyou're in. But for Sunday mornings,
I think it's got to be choirmusic. Choir music, what you think?
I agree? And you know,I think with the choir everybody is
welcome to sing. You know,even if you couldn't sing, they put
you in the back, uh huh, they hide you from the rest.
They put the good singers in theback, the people that could clap and
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rock on beat. But I thinkthe choir is more inclusive, I would
say, of singers, and it'sin the fellowship of choir and the relationships
that are built. Some of mybest best friends came from being in the
choir, traveling together, singing together, being disciplined together. It was just
it's a whole different element I thinkof discipline and coming togetherness. I would
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say, is it for community,community? Community? Your thoughts? So
I think the praise and worship isimportant for all services because it is,
as pastors said, our it's ourcommunication to the Father. So when we
praise and worship, it is notto the people. They ain't singing my
song. It ain't for you,no way, it's unto the Lord.
Now here comes the problem when you'repraising and you're worshiping and leading and it's
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about you. When it becomes aboutyou, then it is no longer praise
and worship true because praise and worshipshould go to the Father. And as
you said, the choir music shouldbe to inspire the people that's in the
audience. So I think it's somethingvery import for all of us. But
I'm like you, I'm like you, pastor, bring the choir back,
bring it in. It is important. Now whether we get choir robes and
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all that kind of thing. I'mnot sure, because you know, we
don't have choir rooms or choir robesanymore. Wow. Yeah, true,
that's true. And I don't knoware there people still making customs choir robes
like they did back and then becauseit was it was a thing like that
was people got branded because they maderoads back now, back in the day,
we had plenty of rope makers.You had Larry McDaniel's House of Style,
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Eddie's One Touch here, Diane Williams. Yeah, Marie, I believe
that Outlaws she's still making roll Outlaw. Outlaw was definitely doing it back all.
But when you go to the workshopand you go to some of the
conventions, there's always a robe companyaround, so you got to try to
figure out where to get them choirs, Yeah, uniforms. Yeah, it's
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tall choir etiquette, you know,because uh, you know, when I
came up with the choir everbody hadto look the same, same shoes,
same ear rings. If you couldwear ear rings. Choir etiquette, how
do you how do you teach that? How do you present that to the
choir? How did it happen fromthen back into what you said choir ear
rings with choir robes. Yeah,some people, you can't wear earrings,
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no drury, what's up? Iguess go ahead. So you know,
now, so this is our firstchoir room podcast, and so I probably
gonna get in trouble. But lastnight, you know, we're working on
Gospel Supreme for the end of September, and President said, call the pastor
and find out. See that wasthat's that's the old school. Call the
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pastor and find out if it's okaythat we wear ring ear rings with our
robes. So my answer was,you know, I'm I am definitely old
school, and you don't adorn yourchoir robe with ear rings and chains and
bro dreury no jury and all thatstuff. Don't we put no peans and
stuff in your hair. We'll seeI've seen people like you're gonna wear pearl.
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Everybody wear the same pearl. Wellthat it ended with a stud.
That's what I'm saying. Ended witha stud. It did. But if
it was left up to me,I would have said, no, people
want to see the beauty of theroad. No, no, it's fine.
And we were we were taught.You know, when you have all
those bangles and things like that,sometimes it takes away from what you're trying
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to do. Now they're focusing onyou. You look more like a distraction
versus versus a choir member. Sowe were taught, you know, no
ear rings, no bangles. Ifyou're gonna wear Jerry, if it's your
wedding ring, it's fine. Andthat's how we were taught. You don't
want to be a distraction. Charlie, your granddaddy was saying, chandeliers,
Yeah, wow, did Diane withchopsticks listen Chinese food, Chinese chops?
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Yes, Lord hairy. Oh yes, Diane's hair would touch the ceiling.
But by the time she got andit didn't move either. It was just
there. Wow. But I meanacquire etiquette being on time rehearsals, like,
how strict are you all? Didthe strictness trickle down? Yeah?
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I just did a live to thechoir. They have to pay ten dollars
if they're late m m. Theyhave to be a rehearsal with seven pm.
And so they're still paying dues too, still pay dues. I used
to like, what did the dudesgoing towards? What? What do you
have to pay dues for? Whatwas that about? Just the upkeep of
the ministry when someone passes flowers allthat stuff, so he sounds like a
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preacher's kid, preacher's grandkids try tofigure out how he could raise his money
so it don't have to come outof that right absolutely, So you all
are doing the the fines if they'relate. Yeah, and we celebrate birthdays
and all the goods, so weuse that money to set up I like
the finds because I think choir shouldbe disciplined to be on time. If
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you get in early, we canlet you out early fifteen minute window.
Don't because they come to choir rehearsalready to leave exactly how you gonna come
to choir rehearsal ready to leave itright ready to? You can't ready to.
So what you say, yeah,I say because if I'm starting on
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one song and you late, thatmeans by the end of rehearsal, I
gotta go over this song again ifwe're gonna sing it on Sunday. Because
you missed it at the beginning rehearsal, talk about it. You should have
been here when you should have beenhere at the beginning of rehearsal to learn
the song. So it's very importantthat you be on time for rehearsal or
you will get fined, and thatten dollars a makeup for you not knowing
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the words off the floor were talking. You can't come back to the choir
until you pay it. Until youpay it, really ooh, some fees
can stack up when and you knowalso that but stuff teach you how to
live in your everyday life, notjust with the choir or whatever. That
stuff teach you how to live inyour everyday life. Teach you how to
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raise your kids, teach you howto run your family. One day you
might become a boss to teach youhow to run your job or run your
business. So it helps you inyour life and discipline. That's very true.
That's good. I like that choiretiquette. Did we talk about choir
decorn? Do I think we did? Can we? Did we dealt with
that whole means uniform thing? Okay? Yeah? Mayke sure us pressed and
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clean. What you can't faces init, that ain't no. And you
robe have to be and not ina plastic has to be in a roll
back, full length, full lengthnot not If you can't, we get
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you one made. You cannot carryyour robe and no plastic in the ring
and you can't go outside in yourrole. Bet that's another fine. Don't
walk outside of your role. Don'tget out your your robe. Don't get
out there and drinking in your role. Oh no, I would have been
put me out. You know.Here's the thing. The robe is supposed
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to be your priestly garment as youget ready to do battle for the rest
of the service. You know,we supposed to be seeing people nicely pressed
same shoot, all right, choir, room, you ready, let's do
it. Ladies had to have toein, heeling, shoe close toes,
cloes, no sling back because thetoes wasn't pretty, the word stockings to
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Let my god, let's just creroom. You gotta look good, all
right, so let's go. Youremember it now? Did they do this
to you? Did they consecrate youall garments? Absolutely on on the altar,
put them on the altar, absolutelyprayed over the robes, even though
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we might have been unclean underneath them. But I mean the robes, they're
supposed to be holy to the Lord. Cut somebody out, yeah, wow,
yeah, I think that's I thinkit's important. But now, in
light of the fact that we don'thave rope makers now, we got to
try to figure out other uniforms forthe people that don't know how to dress
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faithful black and white, right.And that was the reason why we needed
in robes, because folks didn't knowhow to dress to cover it up because
some you know me and pants tootight, women's skirt too tight, shirt
on, button showing stuff. Youknow, a robe covers everything. I
like it. I love it.And do your hair. Don't have no
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bad wig on Sunday mornings. Don'thave no bad wig? Lord lord wow.
Wow. Let's talk about the influencethat doctor Chelsea Hayes had on church
culture and just the acchoir music,you know, influence on church culture because
I mean he did more than justmusic ministry. He was on the radio.
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I mean there's a lot of things. His influence billed over into other
areas. Can we talk about that, Yes, But I'm gonna just slide
this in because we haven't said ityet. You do know the doctor Hayes
played the piano. He was amusician. Musician. He was a musician
and had a group that was recordingbefore Cosmopologis. Yeah, Midy Collier he
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sung with was got that picture.But his influence you guys, think,
what would you say? Well,his influence, like I said, it's
all about order, order, singinggood music, singing at skilled. He
wasn't about just getting up there singingany any old thing. You had to
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You had to know what you weresinging about. You had to know the
word. You didn't get up theretalking about watermelon. So his influence and
clapping your hands out of your mouth, no, no, no, you
had to. You had to.His influence is still moving around today.
Would we would it be safe tosay trendsetter? Absolutely? Do you know
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today's working word is influence, influencer. That's today's working word, influencer.
But on our first podcast, thisis the very first one at least getting
me two or three influence influence,But no, trend setting is the same
thing. Yeah, but you didyou see how she did that? No,
it's okay, but I mean butthings. I mean, his influence
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spilled into other areas other than justmusic. We saw him on the radio,
go ahead, actually our lives,our lives, as he was saying,
you know, his influence through themusic and how he how he lived
and all of that. You tookit home with you when he wasn't on
the radio when he wasn't at thechurch, when he wasn't on the pan.
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Let's go back, Father Hayes wascooking, yes, sir, And
it was a restaurant at a restaurantin south Shore, and he had a
record company. And see, now, let's talk about influence and talk about
the power that the man had inthe community. He had a great church,
he had a great choir. Hewas recording almost every year gold albums,
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traveling all over the world. Buthad a restaurant. I'm trying to
remember the name of the restaurant,c NHow and what was the record company?
I dover forgot the record company's nowa record yep. But talk about
influence, he had it. Sowest Side had Lee Johnson and New Sound
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Gospel, New Sound, New Sound. South Side had Pentecostal Word Explosion,
Mabel Riddick and doctor Hayes had beforeMabel opened up, hers had his record
shop. I just can't remember thename of the it's crazy m HM restaurant
in the director shop. Good.Yeah, he was a businessman absolutely,
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So what I'm saying, yeah thatwas good. Well, thank you so
much, pastor, thank you somuch. Charlie had one more question.
We'll go ahead, since we inthe choir, you know, it goes
down in the choir, rols.What do you think are some misconceptions that
people had about doctor Charles G.Hayes, Because we were on the radio,
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we're talking about like folks thought hewas super mean, but he was
really certain. But what do youthink are some of the misconceptions people may
have had, and then we canclose it out as you were just saying,
they thought he was an angry dictator. He was none of that.
He was one that would listen towhat you had to say. A lot
of people thought that, oh,you can't say nothing to him, he's
not approachable. That no, No, he was very approachable. And he
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was also one that did not mindif he was wrong, standing up saying
you know what, I mis understood, I apologize. He was not the
one that walked around and didn't wantto say, well, pastor, doctor
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Hayes, rest your soul. DoctorHayes got me so bad one night.
He got you too. He gotme you know what, you know what,
I don't think that you really soDoD could hold a grudge if he
felt the need to, if youdidn't do right. He was definitely gonna
hold that grudge. But doctor Hayesgot me, and probably because I was
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so young and he probably considered meone of his sons. I never got
an apology. I got a dinner. Was the same way. You would
know it, you wouldn't know it, you would know or he'd all of
a sudden crack a joke with butyou already know that, you know what.
I kind of went to Wow.He said, Uh, come on
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by the house. I'm gonna cooksome crappy or I'm gonna cook some catfish.
And then he had a Viking stove, that last stove. He had
that Viking stove, and he putthat corn bread underneath the thing. He
said, he had the brown,It real good brown. And Tom Bunky
or that phone call and you answeredthe phone and he just started cracking the
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jail. You got your phone fromthe crackerjack box. I mean, you
know, yeah, great, missing, missing, congratulations of the new music.
Give me the music. Let's livelike that. Name of the project,
when can we expect it? Thename of the project is the Joshua
Experience. It was an idea ofour pastor. He's our Joshua and so,
and we can expect it in Octobertowards the end of Otoba, around
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the Choir's anniversary. It's gonna bereal good. Be ready in the choir
room with Pastor Drell Smith. Godbless you. Elder Childs, says the
third grandson and Elder Antoine Taylor,minister music. So let's talk about when
he was on radio, Gospel Calvacadeand the head Everybody's at five to seven.
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Yeah, I loved it because wecould always look to. You know,
gospel cavalcade is really what inspired wholeI think the whole thing of the
Step Back Saturday. I know theidea came from you, but my thoughts
of Gospel Cavalcade or step Back Saturdaywas from Gospel Cavalcade. Now. You
know, there were some times whenDoctor Hayes will be on the radio,
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we knew something was going on becauseyou know, Doc felt the need to
be to inform us of things thatwas happening in the community. So yeah,
yeah, inform us. He definitelywanted to make sure that we knew
what was going on on the Westside, on the south side. You
remember the choir battles, Yes,yeah, Angie Spivey and the voices of
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Victory was coming to sixty to fiftyon the south side of the Cosmopolitan,
and he said, Andy Speary becausehe couldn't talk. I'm sorry, Charlie,
he couldn't talk. He never saidspit and his Speary choir is coming
and we're going to show the westside. You know who really got it?
Angie speaking Them came up in therewith some red tops and some white
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bottoms. They stretched across that choirstand and they saying, yes, that's
how I'll make it home. Someday. We are climbing higher and hire.
Okay, what happened? They startedshouting dancing, and you never came down
to consecrated Isle of Costopolitan. Andby the time Angie s Peavy and I
finish singing, they were shouting dancingall in the hours. Father Hayes said,
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don't nobody dance in my center owl. And somebody was at the back
of the church and opened the doorsaid, but you can't stop God.
Doctor Hayes said, but I canstop you. Yes, Lord, here
and whow yes Lord. You rememberthe story about it was a lady that
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came to a morning service and shewas playing the tam of Raine and she
kept throwing the and they said.He came out while staying with his cay
sock and she started saying something.He picked her up whole bodily and took
out on bro Are you kidding me? Because she was playing the tamarine.
She said, I come to praisethe Lord and she was throwing everything off
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distraction. Yeah, And she cameright on and White Road took out and
she called the police and they camein the church. They called Doc out
and what happened from there? Youremember? Uh? He said that the
woman was standing across the street andshe took the tamourine and turned around.
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Y'all couldn't see it. She tookthe tabourine out and started playing on her
behind. Are you kidding me?Yeah? Wow? But she Sony asks
about the whole radio thing. SoTimothy Wright, it's going on to be
with the Lord. But Timothy Wrighthad gotten a deposit from doctor Hayes to
come to the Midnight musical him inhis choir, and uh, Timothy Wright
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didn't show up, and I don'tthink the doc knew that they wasn't coming.
And Timothy Wright did not pay themoney back, and doctor Hayes got
on Gospel Cavalcade and gave that manhe was on the radio two hours.
He gave that man's telephone number tothe city of Chicago and told the Chicago
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y'all call the right and tell himto send me my money. Did he
get his money back? Yeah,yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah
he got his money back. Butyeah, doctor Hayes didn't play wow.
And you know, I would say, like probably for most artists to get
that call from doctor Chelsea Hayes tosay, hey, I want you to
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come to my musical. Was itan honor? Would you say, like
to get that call? Were youlike in that that special place in his
heart if you get that call,if you got a call from doctor Hayes,
it was something. Even being amember getting a call from him asking
him to work with you, workwith him on something. You were like,
Wow, you want me to workwith you? For real? Yeah,
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it was honored. I remember seeingthe tape a while back and Kirk
Franklin came with the family and thepower had went out in the church.
Kirk Franklin when a gap we hada baby used to keep a grand piano
in the church. Kurt Franklin thefamily when Kirk went and got on the
grand piano and played, and thefamily sung behind him in the dark in
the church and ripped the place.Church people. Every Sunday, we never
knew who was gonna come by thechurch. Never never knew who was coming.
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About five o'clock broughtcast. I rememberMark covered when they first did down
by the riverside, I think that. And they came up and they stung
around the poor pit. They ateit up and he was loving it.
He was loving it on cottage.Yeah, at five o'clock they tore it
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back then. If you were ina recording choir, we had to sign
a contract. We couldn't sing withnobody else. No you can, you
cannot. You could not sing ifyou sing with Cosmo. That was it.
He said, you were not gonnahis words, Well, you're not
gonna sing on the choir on thestage with me and get off and go
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put on somebody else's role and comeback up there. He's not gonna do
that. Mm hmm. That's it. Yeah, he wasn't. He did.
That's the truth. That's what AndI have to say because when my
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mom passed away, he was theone that Wow, wow, amazing Hm.
Hmm, that's father he had.Yeah. And if he didn't read
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you, he didn't love you.Right. Yeah, he had a good
heart. Yeah. He he cameto the west side. He said,
when you're gonna be at church,and said, I'm gonna be down there.
He came to the west side.It was nothing in the room.
It was a cold room. Anduh. He walked in every corner our
Lord of the church, and hehad his Bible with him, and he
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put the Bible in every corner ofthe church. And then he said,
let's stand in the middle and weprayed. And then we wasn't having church
in the sanctuary. At first,we had church in the fellowship. Remember
that had church in that fellowship.And Doc said, what do you need.
I said, well, we're gonnaneed the science system. We're gonna
need this. We're gonna need that. Doc said, I'm leaving to go
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back to the church. Come bythe church. He gave me my first
sound system. Uh. The churchhad bold speakers on catag and they had
taken some of those speakers out ofchurch. He gave me bows, gave
me a tape recorder, a CDplayer recorder, and gave me a mixer.
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Yeah, that was my first ministrysharing it. Yeah, I remember
that. I remember that. Iremember before before he passed away. A
lot of people don't even just becausehe was close to DeAndre. Before he
passed away, he told me,he said, well passed the red You're
gonna need uh some people to connectwith because you're coming straight from the choir
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in the pool pit. You don'tknow no pastors, he said, make
sure you stay close with dere Yousure did, look at your influence.
Yeah, he was in the hospital. He was in the hospital. Uh
so that you said, I'm aboutto start crying about to take me about
taking me out too? Yes,I remember he was in the hospital up
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north. Yeah, hospital, Uhhuh and uh. I went up to
the hospital that one day because theykept on saying, you need to go
up to the hospital. So Igot up to the hospital. When I
got up there, he was inhis room by himself. He had a
he had a he had a privateroom, and I had on my I
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had on my fur because it wasso cold. I had a big old
fur coat on. He said,oh, coming in here, fancy today.
So I took my coat off andsat down and he and so at
this point He was kind of onthe medication. He was kind of in
and out. Some things was kindof fuzzy. He was kind of confused
a little bit, and he hada whole lot of stuff on the plate
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that it wasn't food. And Ikept on saying, what you're doing,
doc? He said, what itlooked like I'm doing? So he was
in. He was still a littleconfused, but he was still doctor.
Heye, what it looked like I'mdoing. I said, you must be
eating. He said, yeah,ain't that what's on the pile. So
uh, but he he never calledmy name, and I said, I
want this doctor remember who I am. So we sat there, we talked
for a little bit. He hadthe little gash at the top of his
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head. Yes, Lord, anduh, I said, what happened to
your head? Oh? I don'tknow. Somebody said something was up there.
But he had hit his head andhad little gash in it. And
I was getting ready to leave.He said, DeAndre, and I started
crying. He said, uh,I don't know how long I'm gonna be
here. He said, make sureyou keep an eye on the rail.
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And a couple of months after thathe was he was gone. He had
a good heart. Yeah, ohyeah, yeah, and he knew that
word he did. Oh yeah,yeah, he knew the word. Yeah.
All right, bring out, bringme out, bring me out to
go down like she we grew up. Wow, wow, he liked you.
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Yeah. Between, it's just towatch the choir. When I said
he sent the preside for fires aroundthe world, it's just to see it.
Because like when we would go tothe broadcast, you was always had
the two but it was on theside. I forgot that they would say
the same. But it was quietin there. There was no talking,
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talking, nothing whatsoever. The mostdisciplined choir ever seen in my life.
It's just quiet. And when theycome at eleven o'clock, I will walk
up and stand at kuop and thechurch was on, but it was I
mean, we just watched that becauseit really set us. He taught us
discipline. He talked uh, andI will say that in the city of
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Chicago around where he taught discipline.Quiet to come is with every choir.
Every choir director wants to mimic andbe like him. Have the choir like
that seriously, because Frank redend Hayand Cosmo, I'm telling you the warriors,
I promise you it still are becauseI know pastor half of them,
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and it's just it's disciplined. ButI mean, just to see them,
it's one of the most amazing thingever. But would you what would you
say now, now this is athis is this is the part right here
what we took far as discipline andhow we took it, Today's people wouldn't
do it. They can't. They'renot gonna take it. They're not gonna.
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They're not gonna. They don't evenrespect leadership like that anymore. It
is not that the leader is noteven showing themselves to be a leader.
They just now the way we respectedelderly people and all, they don't even
do that. So that back then, that order mhm. We'd honored it.
We loved it, we wanted it, we knew it meant something.
Now you tell somebody we need youin a white robe, this that,
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and you still talk about it likes. Know, it's not my Maddon moster.
I was talking to somebody, youknow, back of the day,
Madda Mussels take off a shot andthought at you, right, you get
shot, you don't get shot fromthe glass stand. But we respected the
fact that because we understood where thatcame from and what it meant. So,
but did they. I mean,it's a totally gender, totally different
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generation as the approaches to the approachto gods and an approach to how we
are you know, taught in adiscipline and how we retain this type of
information and discipline. So it's definitelydifferent and how what we were, how
we were brought up in I think, I think, are we are you
still recording this? Uh? Thisis good? That's why I was trying
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to make sure my words were correct. Record that made you all sign contracts
and made signed contracts. I wasso going through some of the old stuff
at Christian Tabernacle. I found aletter that doctor Pastor Woods wrote for the
choir Christian Tabernacle Concert Quire And itwasn't a contract, It was a letter
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from the pastor's heart, from thepastor's desk. You got to be inquire
rehearsal by a certain time. Ifyou're not rehearsal, you won't be able
to sing. If you miss twoconsecutive rehearsals, you are out of the
choir on leave for about a monthuntil you can show reason. While you've
been out. So the structure andthe discipline was there. It was handed
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to the choir members so that theycan see it, and then they had
to sign it, almost like acontract. They had to sign it so
that in the event that anyone didn'tdo what was in that letter or that
request, you know, it wasn'tno shock to them if they got put
out the choir. So, youknow, it might be something that we
might need to go back to justto get some commitment. You know,
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out of the singers that we have. Will it work. I'm not sure
if it'll work or not, butI will say I think it's still worth
worth a try. And you know, especially when our leaders won't get too
common with the people that we aregiving these agreements too, I think the
people will have influence. People thatgot influence will get respect from those that
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were not too common. With theword common choir choir orientation, have an
orientation and debate. At the endof his handbook, signing it's written,
there you go, Jesus said,it's written, and so because it's because
it's in writing, you see,and this is what we expect of you.
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And if you sign it or youread it and you get up here,
that means you know what's coming.Absolutely, you gotta you can,
you can, you can join thepure ministry. Boy. Like I said
before, this stuff helps you inyour everyday life. It helps you in
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your everyday life. It just keepsyou on tracks, let you helps you
to be a better person. Andif you have children, it helps you
to teach your children how to bebetter people. On how to be on
time for work and how to beon time for you know, different situations
in life that you just gotta beon time for it that you just got
to be a better person for.You got to be a better account before.
So it just helps you in thelong run. It helps you and
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it really does set you apart,you know what I'm saying. Like you
know, the people that are doingthat that way, they last a long
time. Their presences, know,their legacy continues because you set apart,
you put the work in, thediscipline in the structure makes a difference.
We had a white on why bea blizzard outside? Snow up to your
neck now, y'all? You alland first deliverance was the only people that
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I knew what we're white in thein December uniform, the white shoes and
all you have to put on stickyour pants inside just white. Oh my
god. Yeah, we did it. We did it. Thank y'all.
Yeah, it was great, greattime. Don't bring don't bring up nothing
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else. Mark our next choir room. We're gonna be talking to my cupboard.
Yeah, thank you, Sonya,thank you. The area
What's up, everybody. It's yourboy DeAndre Patterson, and I am in
the studio. No, I'm inthe choir room with Sonia Blakey. Yes,
your sister friend, my sister friend. Yeah, Sonia Blakey, not
blake I know. It's okay,Okay, Sonia Blaky Okay. In the
choir room. In the choir room. This is a brand new podcast,
and I'm too excited about it becauseSony and I have been talking about,
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you know, the differences with choirsand how things are going today. So
this will be the first one.Sonia. Yeah. In the choir room.
We'll talk choir etiquette, We'll talkchoir music, we'll talk talk choir
sound, we'll talk choir masters.We'll talk everything choir because that's where it
all starts for many of us anyway, right, everything choir in choia.
I started out in the choir atDavis Memorial, AMA Church, Wow,
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doing what singing? I was singingyep, And I tried to direct.
And some of the older people sayhe's too little to be directing, because
I was probably just about two feethigh. But I was trying my best
to get it done. Then youstart in the choir I started everything Jimple
westside soprano. I was at firstsup and I did. Okay, I
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throve we didn't. We don't havethose kind of first sopranos in it.
I know I miss them. Yeahtoo. But we got some guest today
in the choir room, the veryfirst one, Pastor Darrel Smith. God
bless you, God bless you.I had to be here, yeah,
glad to be here. And thenwe got Charlie, and we got Antoine
Resold and then I think we mighteven have Mark up and its coming up
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to it. He's gonna be oneof our guests as well. Yeah.
So talk about the choir man,how's the choir at Cosmopolitan and what what
you say about the choir? Well, the choir is still moving forward.
We're still doing good old gospel music, still pushing, uh. You know,
we love all genre of music,but we just love pushing good old
gospel music, encouraging people. Soyeah, we're still wearing the robes.
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Yeah, still wearing a robe.Still got the discipline. Uh. Back
in the day, they used tosay, after being you have to be
in Sunday School of Bible class orderto sing on Sunday. Same old thing.
You got to make sure you knowthe word in order to sing it.
So we're still doing it the sameold way. It's working. So
what's your thoughts. I think meand Sony started this conversation talking about the
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battle between praise and worship and choirand so because we are in the choir
room and we want to get choirsback in the choir stand, what's the
difference to you between the praise andworship and the choir of music. I
think worship and praise is more aboutthe individual that's singing between them and God,
and gospel music with the choir isto inspire the people. So I
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think it depends on the atmosphere thatyou're in. But for Sunday mornings,
I think it's got to be choirmusic. Choir music, what you think?
I agree? And you know,I think with the choir everybody is
welcome to sing. You know,even if you couldn't sing, they put
you in the back, uh huh, they hide you from the rest.
They put the good singers in theback, the people that could clap and
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rock on beat. But I thinkthe choir is more inclusive, I would
say, of singers, and it'sin the fellowship of choir and the relationships
that are built. Some of mybest best friends came from being in the
choir, traveling together, singing together, being disciplined together. It was just
it's a whole different element I thinkof discipline and coming togetherness. I would
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say, is it for community,community? Community? Your thoughts? So
I think the praise and worship isimportant for all services because it is,
as pastors said, our it's ourcommunication to the Father. So when we
praise and worship, it is notto the people. They ain't singing my
song. It ain't for you,no way, it's unto the Lord.
Now here comes the problem when you'repraising and you're worshiping and leading and it's
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about you. When it becomes aboutyou, then it is no longer praise
and worship true because praise and worshipshould go to the Father. And as
you said, the choir music shouldbe to inspire the people that's in the
audience. So I think it's somethingvery import for all of us. But
I'm like you, I'm like you, pastor, bring the choir back,
bring it in. It is important. Now whether we get choir robes and
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all that kind of thing. I'mnot sure, because you know, we
don't have choir rooms or choir robesanymore. Wow. Yeah, true,
that's true. And I don't knoware there people still making customs choir robes
like they did back and then becauseit was it was a thing like that
was people got branded because they maderoads back now, back in the day,
we had plenty of rope makers.You had Larry McDaniel's House of Style,
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Eddie's One Touch here, Diane Williams. Yeah, Marie, I believe
that Outlaws she's still making roll Outlaw. Outlaw was definitely doing it back all.
But when you go to the workshopand you go to some of the
conventions, there's always a robe companyaround, so you got to try to
figure out where to get them choirs, Yeah, uniforms. Yeah, it's
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tall choir etiquette, you know,because uh, you know, when I
came up with the choir everbody hadto look the same, same shoes,
same ear rings. If you couldwear ear rings. Choir etiquette, how
do you how do you teach that? How do you present that to the
choir? How did it happen fromthen back into what you said choir ear
rings with choir robes. Yeah,some people, you can't wear earrings,
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no drury, what's up? Iguess go ahead. So you know,
now, so this is our firstchoir room podcast, and so I probably
gonna get in trouble. But lastnight, you know, we're working on
Gospel Supreme for the end of September, and President said, call the pastor
and find out. See that wasthat's that's the old school. Call the
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pastor and find out if it's okaythat we wear ring ear rings with our
robes. So my answer was,you know, I'm I am definitely old
school, and you don't adorn yourchoir robe with ear rings and chains and
bro dreury no jury and all thatstuff. Don't we put no peans and
stuff in your hair. We'll seeI've seen people like you're gonna wear pearl.
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Everybody wear the same pearl. Wellthat it ended with a stud.
That's what I'm saying. Ended witha stud. It did. But if
it was left up to me,I would have said, no, people
want to see the beauty of theroad. No, no, it's fine.
And we were we were taught.You know, when you have all
those bangles and things like that,sometimes it takes away from what you're trying
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to do. Now they're focusing onyou. You look more like a distraction
versus versus a choir member. Sowe were taught, you know, no
ear rings, no bangles. Ifyou're gonna wear Jerry, if it's your
wedding ring, it's fine. Andthat's how we were taught. You don't
want to be a distraction. Charlie, your granddaddy was saying, chandeliers,
Yeah, wow, did Diane withchopsticks listen Chinese food, Chinese chops?
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Yes, Lord hairy. Oh yes, Diane's hair would touch the ceiling.
But by the time she got andit didn't move either. It was just
there. Wow. But I meanacquire etiquette being on time rehearsals, like,
how strict are you all? Didthe strictness trickle down? Yeah?
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I just did a live to thechoir. They have to pay ten dollars
if they're late m m. Theyhave to be a rehearsal with seven pm.
And so they're still paying dues too, still pay dues. I used
to like, what did the dudesgoing towards? What? What do you
have to pay dues for? Whatwas that about? Just the upkeep of
the ministry when someone passes flowers allthat stuff, so he sounds like a
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preacher's kid, preacher's grandkids try tofigure out how he could raise his money
so it don't have to come outof that right absolutely, So you all
are doing the the fines if they'relate. Yeah, and we celebrate birthdays
and all the goods, so weuse that money to set up I like
the finds because I think choir shouldbe disciplined to be on time. If
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you get in early, we canlet you out early fifteen minute window.
Don't because they come to choir rehearsalready to leave exactly how you gonna come
to choir rehearsal ready to leave itright ready to? You can't ready to.
So what you say, yeah,I say because if I'm starting on
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one song and you late, thatmeans by the end of rehearsal, I
gotta go over this song again ifwe're gonna sing it on Sunday. Because
you missed it at the beginning rehearsal, talk about it. You should have
been here when you should have beenhere at the beginning of rehearsal to learn
the song. So it's very importantthat you be on time for rehearsal or
you will get fined, and thatten dollars a makeup for you not knowing
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the words off the floor were talking. You can't come back to the choir
until you pay it. Until youpay it, really ooh, some fees
can stack up when and you knowalso that but stuff teach you how to
live in your everyday life, notjust with the choir or whatever. That
stuff teach you how to live inyour everyday life. Teach you how to
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raise your kids, teach you howto run your family. One day you
might become a boss to teach youhow to run your job or run your
business. So it helps you inyour life and discipline. That's very true.
That's good. I like that choiretiquette. Did we talk about choir
decorn? Do I think we did? Can we? Did we dealt with
that whole means uniform thing? Okay? Yeah? Mayke sure us pressed and
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clean. What you can't faces init, that ain't no. And you
robe have to be and not ina plastic has to be in a roll
back, full length, full lengthnot not If you can't, we get
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you one made. You cannot carryyour robe and no plastic in the ring
and you can't go outside in yourrole. Bet that's another fine. Don't
walk outside of your role. Don'tget out your your robe. Don't get
out there and drinking in your role. Oh no, I would have been
put me out. You know.Here's the thing. The robe is supposed
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to be your priestly garment as youget ready to do battle for the rest
of the service. You know,we supposed to be seeing people nicely pressed
same shoot, all right, choir, room, you ready, let's do
it. Ladies had to have toein, heeling, shoe close toes,
cloes, no sling back because thetoes wasn't pretty, the word stockings to
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Let my god, let's just creroom. You gotta look good, all
right, so let's go. Youremember it now? Did they do this
to you? Did they consecrate youall garments? Absolutely on on the altar,
put them on the altar, absolutelyprayed over the robes, even though
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we might have been unclean underneath them. But I mean the robes, they're
supposed to be holy to the Lord. Cut somebody out, yeah, wow,
yeah, I think that's I thinkit's important. But now, in
light of the fact that we don'thave rope makers now, we got to
try to figure out other uniforms forthe people that don't know how to dress
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faithful black and white, right.And that was the reason why we needed
in robes, because folks didn't knowhow to dress to cover it up because
some you know me and pants tootight, women's skirt too tight, shirt
on, button showing stuff. Youknow, a robe covers everything. I
like it. I love it.And do your hair. Don't have no
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bad wig on Sunday mornings. Don'thave no bad wig? Lord lord wow.
Wow. Let's talk about the influencethat doctor Chelsea Hayes had on church
culture and just the acchoir music,you know, influence on church culture because
I mean he did more than justmusic ministry. He was on the radio.
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I mean there's a lot of things. His influence billed over into other
areas. Can we talk about that, Yes, But I'm gonna just slide
this in because we haven't said ityet. You do know the doctor Hayes
played the piano. He was amusician. Musician. He was a musician
and had a group that was recordingbefore Cosmopologis. Yeah, Midy Collier he
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sung with was got that picture.But his influence you guys, think,
what would you say? Well,his influence, like I said, it's
all about order, order, singinggood music, singing at skilled. He
wasn't about just getting up there singingany any old thing. You had to
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You had to know what you weresinging about. You had to know the
word. You didn't get up theretalking about watermelon. So his influence and
clapping your hands out of your mouth, no, no, no, you
had to. You had to.His influence is still moving around today.
Would we would it be safe tosay trendsetter? Absolutely? Do you know
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today's working word is influence, influencer. That's today's working word, influencer.
But on our first podcast, thisis the very first one at least getting
me two or three influence influence,But no, trend setting is the same
thing. Yeah, but you didyou see how she did that? No,
it's okay, but I mean butthings. I mean, his influence
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spilled into other areas other than justmusic. We saw him on the radio,
go ahead, actually our lives,our lives, as he was saying,
you know, his influence through themusic and how he how he lived
and all of that. You tookit home with you when he wasn't on
the radio when he wasn't at thechurch, when he wasn't on the pan.
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Let's go back, Father Hayes wascooking, yes, sir, And
it was a restaurant at a restaurantin south Shore, and he had a
record company. And see, now, let's talk about influence and talk about
the power that the man had inthe community. He had a great church,
he had a great choir. Hewas recording almost every year gold albums,
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traveling all over the world. Buthad a restaurant. I'm trying to
remember the name of the restaurant,c NHow and what was the record company?
I dover forgot the record company's nowa record yep. But talk about
influence, he had it. Sowest Side had Lee Johnson and New Sound
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Gospel, New Sound, New Sound. South Side had Pentecostal Word Explosion,
Mabel Riddick and doctor Hayes had beforeMabel opened up, hers had his record
shop. I just can't remember thename of the it's crazy m HM restaurant
in the director shop. Good.Yeah, he was a businessman absolutely,
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So what I'm saying, yeah thatwas good. Well, thank you so
much, pastor, thank you somuch. Charlie had one more question.
We'll go ahead, since we inthe choir, you know, it goes
down in the choir, rols.What do you think are some misconceptions that
people had about doctor Charles G.Hayes, Because we were on the radio,
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we're talking about like folks thought hewas super mean, but he was
really certain. But what do youthink are some of the misconceptions people may
have had, and then we canclose it out as you were just saying,
they thought he was an angry dictator. He was none of that.
He was one that would listen towhat you had to say. A lot
of people thought that, oh,you can't say nothing to him, he's
not approachable. That no, No, he was very approachable. And he
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was also one that did not mindif he was wrong, standing up saying
you know what, I mis understood, I apologize. He was not the
one that walked around and didn't wantto say, well, pastor, doctor
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Hayes, rest your soul. DoctorHayes got me so bad one night.
He got you too. He gotme you know what, you know what,
I don't think that you really soDoD could hold a grudge if he
felt the need to, if youdidn't do right. He was definitely gonna
hold that grudge. But doctor Hayesgot me, and probably because I was
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so young and he probably considered meone of his sons. I never got
an apology. I got a dinner. Was the same way. You would
know it, you wouldn't know it, you would know or he'd all of
a sudden crack a joke with butyou already know that, you know what.
I kind of went to Wow.He said, Uh, come on
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by the house. I'm gonna cooksome crappy or I'm gonna cook some catfish.
And then he had a Viking stove, that last stove. He had
that Viking stove, and he putthat corn bread underneath the thing. He
said, he had the brown,It real good brown. And Tom Bunky
or that phone call and you answeredthe phone and he just started cracking the
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jail. You got your phone fromthe crackerjack box. I mean, you
know, yeah, great, missing, missing, congratulations of the new music.
Give me the music. Let's livelike that. Name of the project,
when can we expect it? Thename of the project is the Joshua
Experience. It was an idea ofour pastor. He's our Joshua and so,
and we can expect it in Octobertowards the end of Otoba, around
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the Choir's anniversary. It's gonna bereal good. Be ready in the choir
room with Pastor Drell Smith. Godbless you. Elder Childs, says the
third grandson and Elder Antoine Taylor,minister music. So let's talk about when
he was on radio, Gospel Calvacadeand the head Everybody's at five to seven.
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Yeah, I loved it because wecould always look to. You know,
gospel cavalcade is really what inspired wholeI think the whole thing of the
Step Back Saturday. I know theidea came from you, but my thoughts
of Gospel Cavalcade or step Back Saturdaywas from Gospel Cavalcade. Now. You
know, there were some times whenDoctor Hayes will be on the radio,
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we knew something was going on becauseyou know, Doc felt the need to
be to inform us of things thatwas happening in the community. So yeah,
yeah, inform us. He definitelywanted to make sure that we knew
what was going on on the Westside, on the south side. You
remember the choir battles, Yes,yeah, Angie Spivey and the voices of
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Victory was coming to sixty to fiftyon the south side of the Cosmopolitan,
and he said, Andy Speary becausehe couldn't talk. I'm sorry, Charlie,
he couldn't talk. He never saidspit and his Speary choir is coming
and we're going to show the westside. You know who really got it?
Angie speaking Them came up in therewith some red tops and some white
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bottoms. They stretched across that choirstand and they saying, yes, that's
how I'll make it home. Someday. We are climbing higher and hire.
Okay, what happened? They startedshouting dancing, and you never came down
to consecrated Isle of Costopolitan. Andby the time Angie s Peavy and I
finish singing, they were shouting dancingall in the hours. Father Hayes said,
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don't nobody dance in my center owl. And somebody was at the back
of the church and opened the doorsaid, but you can't stop God.
Doctor Hayes said, but I canstop you. Yes, Lord, here
and whow yes Lord. You rememberthe story about it was a lady that
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came to a morning service and shewas playing the tam of Raine and she
kept throwing the and they said.He came out while staying with his cay
sock and she started saying something.He picked her up whole bodily and took
out on bro Are you kidding me? Because she was playing the tamarine.
She said, I come to praisethe Lord and she was throwing everything off
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distraction. Yeah, And she cameright on and White Road took out and
she called the police and they camein the church. They called Doc out
and what happened from there? Youremember? Uh? He said that the
woman was standing across the street andshe took the tamourine and turned around.
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Y'all couldn't see it. She tookthe tabourine out and started playing on her
behind. Are you kidding me?Yeah? Wow? But she Sony asks
about the whole radio thing. SoTimothy Wright, it's going on to be
with the Lord. But Timothy Wrighthad gotten a deposit from doctor Hayes to
come to the Midnight musical him inhis choir, and uh, Timothy Wright
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didn't show up, and I don'tthink the doc knew that they wasn't coming.
And Timothy Wright did not pay themoney back, and doctor Hayes got
on Gospel Cavalcade and gave that manhe was on the radio two hours.
He gave that man's telephone number tothe city of Chicago and told the Chicago
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y'all call the right and tell himto send me my money. Did he
get his money back? Yeah,yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah
he got his money back. Butyeah, doctor Hayes didn't play wow.
And you know, I would say, like probably for most artists to get
that call from doctor Chelsea Hayes tosay, hey, I want you to
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come to my musical. Was itan honor? Would you say, like
to get that call? Were youlike in that that special place in his
heart if you get that call,if you got a call from doctor Hayes,
it was something. Even being amember getting a call from him asking
him to work with you, workwith him on something. You were like,
Wow, you want me to workwith you? For real? Yeah,
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it was honored. I remember seeingthe tape a while back and Kirk
Franklin came with the family and thepower had went out in the church.
Kirk Franklin when a gap we hada baby used to keep a grand piano
in the church. Kurt Franklin thefamily when Kirk went and got on the
grand piano and played, and thefamily sung behind him in the dark in
the church and ripped the place.Church people. Every Sunday, we never
knew who was gonna come by thechurch. Never never knew who was coming.
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About five o'clock broughtcast. I rememberMark covered when they first did down
by the riverside, I think that. And they came up and they stung
around the poor pit. They ateit up and he was loving it.
He was loving it on cottage.Yeah, at five o'clock they tore it
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back then. If you were ina recording choir, we had to sign
a contract. We couldn't sing withnobody else. No you can, you
cannot. You could not sing ifyou sing with Cosmo. That was it.
He said, you were not gonnahis words, Well, you're not
gonna sing on the choir on thestage with me and get off and go
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put on somebody else's role and comeback up there. He's not gonna do
that. Mm hmm. That's it. Yeah, he wasn't. He did.
That's the truth. That's what AndI have to say because when my
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mom passed away, he was theone that Wow, wow, amazing Hm.
Hmm, that's father he had.Yeah. And if he didn't read
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you, he didn't love you.Right. Yeah, he had a good
heart. Yeah. He he cameto the west side. He said,
when you're gonna be at church,and said, I'm gonna be down there.
He came to the west side.It was nothing in the room.
It was a cold room. Anduh. He walked in every corner our
Lord of the church, and hehad his Bible with him, and he
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put the Bible in every corner ofthe church. And then he said,
let's stand in the middle and weprayed. And then we wasn't having church
in the sanctuary. At first,we had church in the fellowship. Remember
that had church in that fellowship.And Doc said, what do you need.
I said, well, we're gonnaneed the science system. We're gonna
need this. We're gonna need that. Doc said, I'm leaving to go
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back to the church. Come bythe church. He gave me my first
sound system. Uh. The churchhad bold speakers on catag and they had
taken some of those speakers out ofchurch. He gave me bows, gave
me a tape recorder, a CDplayer recorder, and gave me a mixer.
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Yeah, that was my first ministrysharing it. Yeah, I remember
that. I remember that. Iremember before before he passed away. A
lot of people don't even just becausehe was close to DeAndre. Before he
passed away, he told me,he said, well passed the red You're
gonna need uh some people to connectwith because you're coming straight from the choir
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in the pool pit. You don'tknow no pastors, he said, make
sure you stay close with dere Yousure did, look at your influence.
Yeah, he was in the hospital. He was in the hospital. Uh
so that you said, I'm aboutto start crying about to take me about
taking me out too? Yes,I remember he was in the hospital up
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north. Yeah, hospital, Uhhuh and uh. I went up to
the hospital that one day because theykept on saying, you need to go
up to the hospital. So Igot up to the hospital. When I
got up there, he was inhis room by himself. He had a
he had a he had a privateroom, and I had on my I
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had on my fur because it wasso cold. I had a big old
fur coat on. He said,oh, coming in here, fancy today.
So I took my coat off andsat down and he and so at
this point He was kind of onthe medication. He was kind of in
and out. Some things was kindof fuzzy. He was kind of confused
a little bit, and he hada whole lot of stuff on the plate
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that it wasn't food. And Ikept on saying, what you're doing,
doc? He said, what itlooked like I'm doing? So he was
in. He was still a littleconfused, but he was still doctor.
Heye, what it looked like I'mdoing. I said, you must be
eating. He said, yeah,ain't that what's on the pile. So
uh, but he he never calledmy name, and I said, I
want this doctor remember who I am. So we sat there, we talked
for a little bit. He hadthe little gash at the top of his
(27:07):
head. Yes, Lord, anduh, I said, what happened to
your head? Oh? I don'tknow. Somebody said something was up there.
But he had hit his head andhad little gash in it. And
I was getting ready to leave.He said, DeAndre, and I started
crying. He said, uh,I don't know how long I'm gonna be
here. He said, make sureyou keep an eye on the rail.
(27:32):
And a couple of months after thathe was he was gone. He had
a good heart. Yeah, ohyeah, yeah, and he knew that
word he did. Oh yeah,yeah, he knew the word. Yeah.
All right, bring out, bringme out, bring me out to
go down like she we grew up. Wow, wow, he liked you.
(27:57):
Yeah. Between, it's just towatch the choir. When I said
he sent the preside for fires aroundthe world, it's just to see it.
Because like when we would go tothe broadcast, you was always had
the two but it was on theside. I forgot that they would say
the same. But it was quietin there. There was no talking,
(28:18):
talking, nothing whatsoever. The mostdisciplined choir ever seen in my life.
It's just quiet. And when theycome at eleven o'clock, I will walk
up and stand at kuop and thechurch was on, but it was I
mean, we just watched that becauseit really set us. He taught us
discipline. He talked uh, andI will say that in the city of
(28:40):
Chicago around where he taught discipline.Quiet to come is with every choir.
Every choir director wants to mimic andbe like him. Have the choir like
that seriously, because Frank redend Hayand Cosmo, I'm telling you the warriors,
I promise you it still are becauseI know pastor half of them,
(29:00):
and it's just it's disciplined. ButI mean, just to see them,
it's one of the most amazing thingever. But would you what would you
say now, now this is athis is this is the part right here
what we took far as discipline andhow we took it, Today's people wouldn't
do it. They can't. They'renot gonna take it. They're not gonna.
(29:22):
They're not gonna. They don't evenrespect leadership like that anymore. It
is not that the leader is noteven showing themselves to be a leader.
They just now the way we respectedelderly people and all, they don't even
do that. So that back then, that order mhm. We'd honored it.
We loved it, we wanted it, we knew it meant something.
Now you tell somebody we need youin a white robe, this that,
(29:47):
and you still talk about it likes. Know, it's not my Maddon moster.
I was talking to somebody, youknow, back of the day,
Madda Mussels take off a shot andthought at you, right, you get
shot, you don't get shot fromthe glass stand. But we respected the
fact that because we understood where thatcame from and what it meant. So,
but did they. I mean,it's a totally gender, totally different
(30:08):
generation as the approaches to the approachto gods and an approach to how we
are you know, taught in adiscipline and how we retain this type of
information and discipline. So it's definitelydifferent and how what we were, how
we were brought up in I think, I think, are we are you
still recording this? Uh? Thisis good? That's why I was trying
(30:33):
to make sure my words were correct. Record that made you all sign contracts
and made signed contracts. I wasso going through some of the old stuff
at Christian Tabernacle. I found aletter that doctor Pastor Woods wrote for the
choir Christian Tabernacle Concert Quire And itwasn't a contract, It was a letter
(30:53):
from the pastor's heart, from thepastor's desk. You got to be inquire
rehearsal by a certain time. Ifyou're not rehearsal, you won't be able
to sing. If you miss twoconsecutive rehearsals, you are out of the
choir on leave for about a monthuntil you can show reason. While you've
been out. So the structure andthe discipline was there. It was handed
(31:15):
to the choir members so that theycan see it, and then they had
to sign it, almost like acontract. They had to sign it so
that in the event that anyone didn'tdo what was in that letter or that
request, you know, it wasn'tno shock to them if they got put
out the choir. So, youknow, it might be something that we
might need to go back to justto get some commitment. You know,
(31:36):
out of the singers that we have. Will it work. I'm not sure
if it'll work or not, butI will say I think it's still worth
worth a try. And you know, especially when our leaders won't get too
common with the people that we aregiving these agreements too, I think the
people will have influence. People thatgot influence will get respect from those that
(31:56):
were not too common. With theword common choir choir orientation, have an
orientation and debate. At the endof his handbook, signing it's written,
there you go, Jesus said,it's written, and so because it's because
it's in writing, you see,and this is what we expect of you.
(32:19):
And if you sign it or youread it and you get up here,
that means you know what's coming.Absolutely, you gotta you can,
you can, you can join thepure ministry. Boy. Like I said
before, this stuff helps you inyour everyday life. It helps you in
(32:40):
your everyday life. It just keepsyou on tracks, let you helps you
to be a better person. Andif you have children, it helps you
to teach your children how to bebetter people. On how to be on
time for work and how to beon time for you know, different situations
in life that you just gotta beon time for it that you just got
to be a better person for.You got to be a better account before.
So it just helps you in thelong run. It helps you and
(33:04):
it really does set you apart,you know what I'm saying. Like you
know, the people that are doingthat that way, they last a long
time. Their presences, know,their legacy continues because you set apart,
you put the work in, thediscipline in the structure makes a difference.
We had a white on why bea blizzard outside? Snow up to your
neck now, y'all? You alland first deliverance was the only people that
(33:27):
I knew what we're white in thein December uniform, the white shoes and
all you have to put on stickyour pants inside just white. Oh my
god. Yeah, we did it. We did it. Thank y'all.
Yeah, it was great, greattime. Don't bring don't bring up nothing
(33:51):
else. Mark our next choir room. We're gonna be talking to my cupboard.
Yeah, thank you, Sonya,thank you. The area
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