Let's Talk Stil'rs - February 8, 2025

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:04):
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Speaker 2 (00:38):
Peyton, what do you know about New York City? I
know that I don't care. Hey, bun type, let's talk stealer.
Are you dejected? Did you want me to ask about Kansas?

Speaker 3 (00:50):
Don't know much about aside joke between him and men.

Speaker 2 (00:55):
He didn't know any about New York City? Now he
knows like a lawyer. Knowledge is power, right, knowledge is
keyda every years, What do you know about anything?

Speaker 4 (01:06):
I know.

Speaker 2 (01:08):
All you wish you wouldn't be here? You know what
I know? I'm Boycotton. Super Bowl, I'm not watching it.
I'm tired of the Wolke NFL and as far as
I'm concerned.

Speaker 5 (01:19):
Roger Goodell conspired, much like John Wilkes Booth conspired to
kill President Lincoln.

Speaker 2 (01:26):
We're gonna hide.

Speaker 6 (01:27):
Roger Goodell conspired with the referees to first of all,
Detections should have beat the Chiefs.

Speaker 2 (01:34):
Then second of all, the Bills should have been the Chiefs.
And I'm not happy about it. What say you, McMahon?

Speaker 4 (01:41):
Yeah, I didn't see the Texan team, so I was
driving during that time, so I did not see that one.

Speaker 2 (01:48):
And uh, because you were in Detroit and then Kansas.

Speaker 4 (01:51):
City Bills were throwing football so hold on a second
time out.

Speaker 2 (01:53):
He was throwing footballs to a six foot tall Teddy
Bearer line or something. But we'll get back that. What
was that there, Rory the Lion.

Speaker 3 (02:05):
We're gonna get back to that. Mike with went Holmes
the Lion more so than you at one point. We'll
get back to that Mike. The Lions brought him back
for the playoff game. We're gonna talk about that. He
was out on the field throwing footballs around.

Speaker 2 (02:23):
He looked like him, his former self, and it was,
like I said, he was playing with a six foot
tall Teddy bear or something. Do you think the referees
screwed up the Chiefs and Texans and and Bill's games.

Speaker 7 (02:36):
I think the Texans went for sure.

Speaker 8 (02:38):
They were way over appreciating that one, and they had
justin because Bill's raids.

Speaker 7 (02:42):
The next day, I think the NFL g have a.

Speaker 8 (02:44):
Call and say, hey, let's be a little lucier with me,
let's just let him play a little bit more.

Speaker 7 (02:48):
But I think the Bills one, I don't really think
there was.

Speaker 8 (02:51):
I mean, the one call you could he could have
went either way, But I don't really think.

Speaker 7 (02:54):
I just think the Chiefs are evident.

Speaker 2 (02:56):
I think it's ridiculous the rest did not. There's there's
always questionable clause.

Speaker 9 (03:01):
But this is the same thing that happened with the
Patriots nine and Seeds, the same thing that's happening with
the Chiefs.

Speaker 10 (03:05):
When the teams that are when the team is winning.

Speaker 9 (03:08):
Like the Chiefs and they're as well constructed as they are,
people want to have something to blame.

Speaker 2 (03:13):
And it's always the refs. It's always we love the refs.

Speaker 9 (03:17):
I love the I'm just kidding, But like I don't
you know, the Bills don't do a QB steak six times.

Speaker 7 (03:23):
I'm not gonna.

Speaker 9 (03:24):
Blame the refs, like you know, and that to me,
the call in the field, what it was, you know,
that's that had to stand, that had to stand. I
mean it was I mean I can understand like looking
like it wasn't conclusive.

Speaker 2 (03:38):
It wasn't conclused. So the role at the time, the.

Speaker 9 (03:43):
Role at the time, you have to remember, the role
at the time was the ball couldn't move at all,
like you couldn't make a football move.

Speaker 10 (03:51):
After that play happened, then that role was changed.

Speaker 9 (03:55):
So it's according to what the roles are and it's
according to conclusive conclusivity.

Speaker 2 (04:01):
Right.

Speaker 4 (04:02):
Well, there's as a you know, former player and someone
that you know coach as well, you always tell.

Speaker 2 (04:10):
The players you can never leave the game.

Speaker 4 (04:15):
Be close enough for the refs to make the final decision.
So with that being said, like yeah, you know you
you've gotta make plays now, the NFL to me is
a is a different animal and it's a money making machine.

Speaker 2 (04:30):
And then with the technology they have.

Speaker 4 (04:34):
To me, the slide with the quarterbacks needs to be
a reviewal player, yep, because when the guy's running and
you know you have a fake slide, you have a
guy go like he's gonna go out of.

Speaker 2 (04:45):
Balance and then scoot up the sideline. If he thinks
he gets screwed up the sideline, he goes. And then
if he doesn't the last second steps out and he
gets hit. You know, there's a penalty.

Speaker 4 (04:54):
To me, it's it's really difficult for an offender who
starts to come in lower down, initiate and then all
of a sudden a guy drops to his knees and
slides that No, like, listen, if you did not clearly
initiate the slide, it should be within three or four yards,
clearly give yourself up. Well, then that's the price you.

Speaker 2 (05:13):
Have to pay if you're trying to get the extra
one or two yards that you slip for. So, to me,
that role needs to be reviewable.

Speaker 4 (05:22):
If the defender has already initiated the lower process of
the pads before the quarterback starts to initiate the slide,
well then and within a four yard or three yard halo,
well then you know what, he gets the hit, And
that's the punishment you would get For a few like
the quarterbacks, they're supposed to be this booker's guy's in.

Speaker 2 (05:42):
The field, and and essentially they're using that role to
their advantage.

Speaker 4 (05:47):
If you if you knew you would not get that call,
If you knew you would not get that call the
extra fifteen, well you're not gonna subject to yourself for that,
so they need to review called. The second thing is
is the football. You know, you go, you know to
practice and every NFL ball nowadays, you know, the teams have.

Speaker 2 (06:12):
There's their number, there's a there's chips in the ball
and measure the revolutions on the ball and the.

Speaker 4 (06:17):
Spiderwell everything for data for practice and you know for
different players and stuff. But with the with the technology
they have, why can't they have GPS chips going down
the field And why can't you have a chip on
one of the ball, of one unt of the ball
and then you sync it up with the film his

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knees down right there, freeze it.

Speaker 2 (06:39):
Where's the ball out? And if the ball at that
point had never crossed that.

Speaker 4 (06:43):
Line, because you have the two chips, you can blank
everything else out the technology.

Speaker 2 (06:47):
Here's the line the games, here's the tip. I mean,
there's a way to do it.

Speaker 4 (06:50):
They don't want to do it because they like to
bring out these little chains these and be.

Speaker 2 (06:59):
Real at it with it. But there's a way to
be exactly imprecise.

Speaker 4 (07:04):
With it if you have I mean, there's technology they
haven't Wimbledon they have this technology.

Speaker 2 (07:08):
With the GPS, you have the you can put GPS
in the ball. You can do this and know exactly
where it's out.

Speaker 4 (07:14):
And the reason why I say this is, you know, you,
you and everybody in Buffalo is well not even that.

Speaker 2 (07:21):
But you go back to you know what ape men
said earlier in the week. You know, before you know
gambling was a legalize Well now it's a legal loze and.

Speaker 4 (07:31):
Now you've got at least for sportsbook And now the
NFL is actually promoting gambling.

Speaker 2 (07:37):
So if you're going to promote gambling on your games,
you better.

Speaker 4 (07:40):
Make sure that that is a fair product and the
official can change the outcome of it. Again, as a
coach and as a player, don't leave it close enough
for the officials. However, when there is money online and
people are vetting money and they have no control of
that outcome whatsoever, now the officials can cut. To me,

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it's a bad look for the NFL. It's a bad
look for the product. You have to get it right
with the amount of moneys that are writing about the
first and you gotta do it.

Speaker 9 (08:11):
I agree with this, right, I mean, I'm all for
I think every play should basically be reviewable. Like I
hundred percent agree with that but you know when you
bet on the game, it is out of your control.

Speaker 2 (08:23):
And I mean that's that is now.

Speaker 10 (08:26):
Look, I just my my main point is you can't
deny what.

Speaker 9 (08:30):
The Chiefs have done and how great of the football
team they are and that Texans game, I mean their
defense dominant. Okay, the Chiefs were a far better team.
I don't think any of those calls would have made
a difference the Bills game.

Speaker 10 (08:42):
They were predictable every fourth down.

Speaker 2 (08:44):
I thought the Bills are gonna win that game.

Speaker 9 (08:46):
I thought that they dominated the Linus scrimmage for most
of the second half. But you can't be that predictable
with your play call, and that was a difference in
the game. The chief Steve Spagnoel was unpredictable at the
end with the corner blitz and Andy Reid And you talk
about that play to samat J. P Ryan right and
every fourth down they were running that play, Alan goes

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to his left. It's a difference between the Eagles know
how to run that TV sneak like it's unstoppable. They yes,
Alan's six to five and he's going to his left.
The Chiefs were ready for that all games.

Speaker 4 (09:17):
Well, they said on the broadcast that that's his he
favors going through that side, right, and you know, and typically,
you know, in the past quarterback sneaks, you were taught
to pull delay and then go.

Speaker 2 (09:31):
For the bubble or go for the edge.

Speaker 4 (09:34):
The the Eagles, they're just gonna line up and they're
gonna go straight ahead and just used the pure masks
to win. Right.

Speaker 2 (09:43):
But as to your point, they were a little predictable
at the end.

Speaker 4 (09:50):
I thought, you know, Robo said all season long, this
is where Joe Brady was, you know, really successful.

Speaker 2 (09:56):
I thought Joe Brady got very predictable, very conservative that
last and you know, it was.

Speaker 4 (10:01):
Like, you know, even the option play James Cook, the
effort he had to make to get into.

Speaker 2 (10:07):
The end zone, it was and god, I mean, the
Chiefs were right there. Steve's bad goals, a great defensive ordnader.
He was with me when I was in Philly, when
I was with Andy Reid.

Speaker 4 (10:16):
Andy Reid is one of the best play designers when
it comes to man to man coverage. So is the
master at as the offensive players we will call it
rub players or rub bouts, and the defensive player.

Speaker 2 (10:34):
Will call it a pickpoint. And that's what it is.

Speaker 4 (10:36):
You are getting traffic and getting a guy open. And
I will say the first third down in short, you know,
Romo said, you know they're probably gonna roll out this
and that. As soon as they lined up with a
strong eye set, a tight alignment by.

Speaker 2 (10:55):
The receiver, I knew immediately it was fake. Ninety zero
could right.

Speaker 4 (11:00):
And it's a play that we run time and time
and time a game. It's a West Coast play. It's
what it is is basically, you're faking the full back.

Speaker 2 (11:09):
Okay, you're faking the fullback on the trap up the middle.

Speaker 4 (11:12):
And holds the linebacker because the linebacker and the man
assasion pass to cover the tailback. So if he were
to reverse out on his reverse out, he's gonna fake here.
This guy if he does hand it off, he's the
guy that's gonna plug and fill and make it tame.
So it's a tough play. What they do is they

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do lock down. They leave the edge guy on the
n scrimmage block me and he.

Speaker 2 (11:39):
Comes off the edge. So Mahomes comes here, He comes
off the edge and he attacks.

Speaker 4 (11:44):
He is taught to tap his startle to his outside
shoulder and you run low and you write what.

Speaker 2 (11:51):
You're getting to him.

Speaker 4 (11:52):
You lean down like you're gonna chop it off him
for the quarterback to get outside. So you lean down
this guy racist for the hit, and then you slip
them into the flat.

Speaker 2 (12:03):
So now this linebacker on this outside linebacker think he's
gonna go hit. He slips on the flat.

Speaker 4 (12:08):
This guy's held by the rug faith And then what
they do is the receiver runs an influenced post.

Speaker 2 (12:14):
Attack the corner vertical and get.

Speaker 4 (12:18):
Tight to him and then pull him and then run
towards the safety so the safety can't get balved.

Speaker 2 (12:23):
So you're pulling two guys. The back slips in the flat.

Speaker 4 (12:27):
Now you're top quick, tight, reverse ball fake, get out
with speed.

Speaker 2 (12:32):
Don't get depth on this one when you normally want
to make it. Get out with speed.

Speaker 4 (12:36):
If he's wide open, heck, you can underhand each to
him because you're right there.

Speaker 2 (12:41):
You get out so quick.

Speaker 4 (12:42):
If he's covered, they told us. If he's covered, try
to get it with your legs. If you can't slide
and bounce, don't run around.

Speaker 2 (12:52):
Don't look for number two or number three.

Speaker 4 (12:54):
To make the play because that's potential decompletion, which stops claw.

Speaker 2 (12:59):
So if the guy's wide open. Great, if he's not,
you run it. If you can't make it slide, that's fine.

Speaker 4 (13:06):
We'll chew up as much clock or make them burn
a timeout and they'll punt.

Speaker 2 (13:10):
So as soon as they lined up in the strong guy,
I'm like, here, cups, make ninety zero and make it right.
And sure enough it was. They ran it earlier in
the game in a short yard situation, so it was
the second time.

Speaker 4 (13:19):
Typically West Coast Kings don't like to run the same
play twice on short yards, but they did, and then
keep it on the on the third down or the
the other play.

Speaker 2 (13:31):
I believe that one might have been the second down.
Then they had the timeouts when they hit p run
out of the backfield. Okay, beautiful. A lot of people
like to call that a match.

Speaker 4 (13:40):
Or you get across, or you get across, or you
can do this post and the guy's going to rail
route or.

Speaker 2 (13:45):
You know, slip into the flat you know, and you
read is you know, it wasn't much.

Speaker 4 (13:50):
Everyone can sit there, all these you know guys that
come out and analyze them.

Speaker 2 (13:54):
Oh no, this was not matched. This was he lined up.

Speaker 4 (13:58):
Trips here, one tight receipt over here, backers on this side.
So if you're thinking maybe it's gonna be invested side,
they shift these two guys over in the in the
formation in.

Speaker 2 (14:09):
The back stays there, so okay, now what are they
gonna do?

Speaker 4 (14:12):
Now, It's a bunch okay, normal mesh is he crosses,
he crosses, he hooks, he posts, okay, and they're running
rounds and then you're trying to slip this guy to
on the high route out of the backfield with.

Speaker 2 (14:26):
Andy Reid it with these three guys. He told them,
this is a influence roup. You are not getting football.
You're not getting it. It is gonna go to pee
Ryan or this shallow. You three guys. Instead of bringing
a shallow or a hook or a post.

Speaker 4 (14:39):
You three guys attack your players.

Speaker 2 (14:42):
To make them attached to you.

Speaker 4 (14:44):
So they go with you one and then two basically
run the same route because if you look at.

Speaker 2 (14:49):
It, they were all in the same area and we
are just.

Speaker 4 (14:51):
Running a wall right here, so no one can get
through it. Now, if you make contact with someone offensive, it's.

Speaker 2 (15:00):
Gonna be offensive. Poster f it's gonna pay him.

Speaker 4 (15:03):
So what we used to do is when you're running,
make some noise be seen.

Speaker 2 (15:10):
Be heard, because here's the thing.

Speaker 4 (15:11):
If as a defender and I'm defender Randy and he's
going this way and I turn and run my head
and I see someone coming at me yelling and screaming,
the first thing I'm gonna do is I'm gonna try
to avoid him and get out of his way. And
we're taught, hey, yell, scream, get his attention, but at
the last second, allay him, avoid him, okay, because we

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don't want that penalty. Now, smart teams will tell their
guy don't even look and just run.

Speaker 2 (15:39):
And if you run, you run into someone.

Speaker 4 (15:42):
We should get that tall okay, But if you yell
and kind of get his attention, get his eyes, he's
not gonna lower down on one through you. He's going
to try and avoid him. So not only did had
you red just not do your romal match? He went
three guys trying to get the attentions.

Speaker 2 (15:58):
Let's build a wall and then until Hoodie the last second.

Speaker 4 (16:01):
All he needs is one step. Once you get that
one step, it's an easy completion.

Speaker 2 (16:06):
Get the first out. You know.

Speaker 4 (16:07):
It was very genius and he's been so and that's
why he takes up. He takes a play. He takes
a play that everyone uses and says, I'm gonna add
my own little twist to him, and I'm gonna tell
the quarterback you have one of two options, the flat
route or the crosser route that comes because if they
don't distract the first inside guys, the second guy this

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quarter is trying to trail him.

Speaker 2 (16:32):
You got him too. So he does a really nice job.

Speaker 4 (16:35):
He coaches it well, the players go, they know the rules,
they use the rules to their advantage. And to me,
that's where it was. You know, Sean McDermott, he was
with me in Philly. It's bags was with me and Philly.
They were all on Andy Reeve Snappers, so they know
each other. Which I love McDermott as a portator or
as a coach, and so that surprised me when he

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both get ready for that type of thing should have played.

Speaker 2 (17:00):
Red is a master at hit plays, and he is
a master.

Speaker 4 (17:04):
At screenplace well best Screen Team Bible, and we know
the Steelers can't stop screens.

Speaker 2 (17:10):
Well, this is where that's where I want to go.

Speaker 5 (17:12):
Is we talk about Super Bowl weekend coming up one Sunday.
What I want to do at this point is I
want to talk about the two teams playing, the Eagles
the Chiefs.

Speaker 2 (17:25):
But as we.

Speaker 5 (17:25):
Do that, I want to compare where the Steelers are
in the same position. I want to start with head
coach Mike. I know you're an Andy Reid disciple. You
love him.

Speaker 2 (17:37):
I love him.

Speaker 5 (17:38):
I think anybody with any common sense, guys, knows that
Andy Reid is a winner. He is creative, he is
intelligent with his offenses. So if we're gonna start there,
when we're talking about head coaches, the situation with Mike
comin right now. I mean, this upordnate in the city
once this man's head and they want to.

Speaker 2 (18:00):
Outrun out of the city. Where do you stand?

Speaker 7 (18:02):
On the mic darmind the show, Yeah, it's it's clear.

Speaker 2 (18:06):
Are you celebrating?

Speaker 7 (18:07):
The eighteenth?

Speaker 8 (18:09):
Was a great accompose it, But yeah, it's been time.
I think it's just rand sports and I think we
all know he's a really good coach, you know, but
is he Yeah? I mean, but just not here. I
don't think it's I don't think here is the place anymore.

Speaker 7 (18:24):
It's Brandt's courts. I think he's a really good I
don't think he's a great coach.

Speaker 2 (18:28):
I don't think you say, Andy Reid er, I just no, no,
he's not. He's but yeah, he's not. He'll never be
even you can't even compare.

Speaker 7 (18:42):
But he's not even in the tier. He's like I think,
if you want to like, everybody's.

Speaker 8 (18:47):
Like, well if he if he was free, and every
team will be called to be the head coach.

Speaker 7 (18:52):
Yeah, but that's because these teams are the Jets and
the Bears, and these are.

Speaker 2 (18:55):
Just these are dysfunctional phrase the Bengals.

Speaker 1 (18:59):
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Speaker 5 (19:38):
All right, So we've talked about head coach, all right,
No doubt that Andy Reid is a genius. I might
we know how you feel about your former coach, the
most important to me physician on the field.

Speaker 2 (19:52):
It all starts with a quarterback. You look at Ben
Roethlisberger leading the Steelers franchise, through that era when Ben
was here.

Speaker 5 (20:01):
A quarterback Mike Wright can change a football team into
it from a loser to a championship team. You look
at Mahmes, you look at Hurt, two quality quarterbacks. There
hasn't been a quarterback come through Pittsburgh since Ben Roethlisberger

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left town.

Speaker 2 (20:23):
It's tough to find. Well. I think I think the
option and I think the upside is justin fields. If
you can get him one a disco, what do you

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pay him the year? I'm not giving him more than
six guys. Well, if you can get six, I'm not
giving him more than six because that's what the market is.

Speaker 10 (20:56):
And there's gonna been teams wanting to pay more or.

Speaker 7 (20:58):
Incentive incentivized it, you know.

Speaker 2 (21:01):
But to me, he is has more upside than Russell wis.

Speaker 4 (21:07):
Now.

Speaker 2 (21:07):
When Russell Wilson came in, he does some good things,
be fun. You know.

Speaker 4 (21:13):
When he first came in, he got the ball, he
made quicker decisions, got the ball out of his hand.
But then as the year went on, he's he didn't
do it as much. He doesn't have the arm streath,
he doesn't have the bloating and speed. And to me,
I think the Fields has that potential to if if
he can get you know, the confidence and understanding.

Speaker 2 (21:36):
If he's throwing the ball before the receiver is over,
that's where his greek. He's got a strong arm and
typically strong quarterbacks. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 7 (21:47):
I've been there and I was one of those guys, and.

Speaker 2 (21:49):
You get to the NFL. You kind of want to
see those eyes before you throw it. You know, you
want to see him open up before you throw it.
And you have to be.

Speaker 4 (21:59):
Taught if you're not looking necessarily at the receivers, you're
looking at the defenders. You're understanding where the defenders are,
and you're throwing into a spot and one step or
not even one step.

Speaker 2 (22:09):
I mean, if I've got half a step and.

Speaker 4 (22:11):
An angle on this guy, half a step with leverage,
that that ball should be thrown.

Speaker 2 (22:16):
And that's where justin Field kind of wait, oh he did,
and now.

Speaker 4 (22:20):
He you know, tries to gun it in their little
heart if he could be tamed that he's got that leverage.

Speaker 2 (22:24):
And it's it's it's teachable. It's teachable because I did it.
I learned it.

Speaker 4 (22:28):
You know, I was top of time Deppo by my
backup quarterback but it can be done, and he's got
to be willing.

Speaker 2 (22:36):
To work at it. He is to for him to if.

Speaker 4 (22:40):
He acknowledges that that's that's his weakness and he says,
all right, yeah, you got a point.

Speaker 2 (22:45):
This is my weakness. I need to work on this.
He will get better at that if he says, no,
I'm a great quarterback. And then either maybe his agents
feeding them those lines.

Speaker 10 (22:52):
And I like him.

Speaker 2 (22:56):
And he's the guy.

Speaker 5 (22:57):
He's got intelligence intelligence to be coach Peyton, what do
you do with the Steelers quarterback? Because you ain't got
no Patrick Mahomes, No, you ain't got no Jalen Hurts.

Speaker 9 (23:08):
I I agree with Mike like and I love Russell Wilson.
I think, you know, for the situation the Steelers were in,
I think it was the right move at the time
to put in Russell Wilson. I mean, you needed that
veteran leadership, You needed that guy could distribute the ball
of playmakers. But that just ran its course as the
year went on. Russ's you know, uh, disadvantages in Russ's

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issues that he had in Denver kind of prevailed in
the end.

Speaker 2 (23:32):
Justin fields.

Speaker 9 (23:33):
And we've talked about this even though he has trouble
reading a defense. We know his accuracy is and always
on point. But we know the athleticism, the strength, the
arm strength like his body strength, his arm strength.

Speaker 10 (23:44):
I mean, it's their nobility. The guys are playing.

Speaker 2 (23:47):
Can you teach arm shred? Nor can you? Can you
teach a speed?

Speaker 10 (23:52):
No?

Speaker 2 (23:52):
You can't. You teach someone how to redefenses and start
to hold. But it's long. It's easier, said no. Some
why that I know that sometimes it takes a few
years for the light bulb to click off. Gino Spith
was a guy. Okay, Steve Young who was that guy?
He was a disaster in Tampa Bay, San France had

(24:15):
a city hind Montana or rich Mannon was that guy.
There's plenty of quarterbacks that look at sambarn Is. Takes
a wow for them to, you know, play, make some mistakes,
be benched, learned from the sideline, goes with the ups
and downs, and all of a sudden room later like

(24:35):
it clicks. You have to mature as a person.

Speaker 4 (24:38):
These are kids here. You know your mind is still developing.
As you're up to twenty five years old, you know
you're gonna.

Speaker 2 (24:43):
Make some good decisions and bad students on and off
the field. You need to go through some of those
growing picks. I think he's got more outside Russell Wilson
near the end of his career.

Speaker 4 (24:51):
You can't teach Russell Wilson to get faster, more athletic,
get a stronger.

Speaker 2 (24:57):
You can't teach that now. Okay. So the one thing
me is just when he comes down to the quarterback position,
it's got to be who it's really got to be
the g M.

Speaker 4 (25:09):
And essentially to the end, I think the decision for
the Steels that would be the office court because with
a quarterback. Yes, I love it, I love it.

Speaker 2 (25:25):
I do like to Steelers blueprint. You know, it's it's
very similar to the Lions group play. Dan Campbell's the
head coach. He's got no C and he's got to
d C. Well like Talvin's the head coach. He's got
no C in Arthur Smith and he's got a d C.
And uh Austin they're both.

Speaker 4 (25:45):
But the thing is, when the decision was made a switch, Okay,
there were some people and there's no secret, you know
it came out. There were some people that were on
fields side, and there were some people on I know
you know, some of the people that were on the
field side were on that offensive side of the ball,

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and they made the switch and.

Speaker 2 (26:06):
In that first game, Russell Wilson big gree Okay.

Speaker 4 (26:10):
Well, as a coach, you're like, you know, hey, it
paid off. You know we humbled, we got the decision
paid off. Coach Tomblin did come out and say, smile, ah,
I made that decision and that's why I'm getting paid
the big bucks. That to me was listen, okay, you
want to get into Tomlin.

Speaker 2 (26:31):
It it was the first You don't have enough time
for six hours. That was the first game, and you
took the credit.

Speaker 4 (26:38):
Well are you taking the credit for the whole season,
for the rest of the season when he started a
fizzle when you could have maybe eat fields.

Speaker 2 (26:45):
So I think you gotta ask the coordinator. You got
to ask the quarterback coach. You've got to ask, uh,
the GM, which guy gives us the beast? Coach Tomblin,
you ask Andy Whitel. You don't have a coach.

Speaker 4 (27:02):
Coach Tomlin's a great coach is as far as a
motivator and a defensive minded coach. Okay, if I'm coaching
in the NFL and I'm the head coach, I might
feel like, hey, listen, you know I'd prefer you guys
to blitz here or this. I'm not gonna make if
you're telling me if my defensive coordinators like this linebacker.

Speaker 2 (27:22):
Is far better than this.

Speaker 4 (27:24):
Guy, Okay, because you're the defensive prospert Mike Thomlins not
the offense spense.

Speaker 10 (27:29):
But he's not a defensive expert either defense.

Speaker 2 (27:33):
And that's his background. Yeah, and so you know, and
so that where is where his expertise spots comes from.

Speaker 4 (27:39):
Okay. So but my thing is is, like I do
think taking that perspective from other guys might help me.
I mean, there's no doubt he's a great motivator and
uh and he gets you know, listen.

Speaker 2 (27:53):
There's times when you know, the Rock Steelers roster was
decimated and they still found what he's to get win.
So he is a great motivator.

Speaker 4 (28:01):
The players love playing for him, you know, they do
respect him, and you know there's there's an argument to
be made for them.

Speaker 2 (28:09):
But I do think when it comes to the offensive.

Speaker 4 (28:13):
Decision making, you're gonna have to have the guy that
is closest to that room and who really kills strong
and it's gonna be the O C, the QB guy
and the GM.

Speaker 2 (28:25):
They're gonna be like, all right, this is who we got.
They're gonna have those meetings and like this is what
we can work with. And then as the OC and
then as the quarterback coach. You know, you can sit
down like I truly believe I can help justin fields,
I can help train him, or you're like, listen, it's
not quite there. I don't know if we can train him.

Speaker 4 (28:47):
To me, those guys who know a little bit more
about each individual in that room.

Speaker 2 (28:53):
Than the head coach, the head coach can look like
it doesn't know the intricate scenes. So that's where I
would say, you know, an he.

Speaker 4 (29:02):
Came out, took credit for the decision after the one year,
but when he started the fizzle down near the end
to be like he was limited.

Speaker 2 (29:11):
He was limited. I mean and and if you look,
he wasn't unlimited. He was limited. He was still limited.
Became underlimited this a little bit. So I'm not taking a.

Speaker 4 (29:22):
Way where as a person's a great place operator, you know,
the community everyday. But look at the NFL today, okay,
uh there, and look at every quarterback in the league right.

Speaker 2 (29:33):
Now, and you know, mainly the starters or whatever. But
with the exception of Aaron Rodgers, who is is he playing?
He's not playing now. At one point Aaron Rodgers was motive. Okay,
at one point he was motive. He could run around
and make spend place. At one point, Russell Wilson, he's

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not the same guy.

Speaker 4 (29:55):
Neither is Aaron Rodgers when he's moving. So those two
guys are not the same movement guys. Okay, then you
look at Kirk Cousins is never mobile and Jared Goff
was never mo Okay, take those four guys out of
the lakes.

Speaker 2 (30:09):
Tell me the next in MOBU guy. Everyone is can move.

Speaker 4 (30:15):
Now does that mean Jared Goff, If Kirk Cousins and
Russell Wilson Aaron Rodgers, you're done, No, no, But you've
got to play to your strengths.

Speaker 2 (30:23):
You have to play to your strengths. And what I
mean this is Jared Goff. He knows he's not.

Speaker 4 (30:28):
Gonna scramble, he can get away from anyone, and he
knows he's not gonna beild. He knows his strengths are
make quick decisions, get out of his hand, and be accurate.

Speaker 2 (30:36):
He was a seventy plus percentage. Yeah, same time. I
don't forget he's got a pro bowler left guard and
Kevin Dotson. Anyway, moving on, but wait, who are you
talking about Dodson, the Lions or the Ring?

Speaker 9 (30:50):
I'm talking about the.

Speaker 2 (30:50):
Ring, about the Ring.

Speaker 4 (30:52):
I'm sorry I got all fired up there first sec. Okay,
you're talking about Matthew Stafford. Yeah, staff still has some
mobil you know how they got trade that Stafford probably
has the most mobility.

Speaker 2 (31:04):
Then I would say it's Russ, Then I would say
it's Rogers, then it's Kirk.

Speaker 9 (31:08):
And Stafford doesn't get out of the like Rodgers and
also get out of the pocket more, I feel like,
but I think Stafford can get Stafford's probably better footwork.

Speaker 11 (31:17):
Alright, Well, let's go back to what I'm saying is like,
unless you're going to play to your shreds, if you're
going to be an immobile guy in the NFL, in
this NFL, you better be extremely accurate, get the ball quick,
and play to your strengths.

Speaker 4 (31:31):
And I think that's what Jared Goff does, and that's
why he's gonna continue on Kirk. He'll probably continue on
a little bit too. But if Russell Russ was never
the guy to get it out with in his career,
he was never to get it out quick guy.

Speaker 2 (31:44):
He was kind of like the run around makes him
play guys. But the thing is is he's not that
guy anymore. So now he has to evolve.

Speaker 5 (31:52):
He can go evolve someplace else. As far as I'm concerned,
only you think.

Speaker 2 (31:59):
My Raiders alone.

Speaker 4 (32:00):
That's the whole point is if you don't, if you're
not gonna be the mobile Golf and you're not getting
quick decisions, accurate in getting the ball out and pushing
it down the field.

Speaker 2 (32:10):
I mean, because Golf gets it out quick, but he
also pushes down the field. Rodgers can't do. So if
you're not playing to that staff, then you're dying brief.

Speaker 5 (32:19):
As far as Steelers, because they do mobile, they won't
have unless they get a new offensive line coach.

Speaker 2 (32:25):
And you've heard that Anzza.

Speaker 5 (32:27):
So as you look at the twenty twenty five Steelers situation,
to me, Nate, I keep justin fields.

Speaker 2 (32:34):
If the price is right. To me, he's only worth
six million dollars. The person who got lost in the
mix last year.

Speaker 6 (32:43):
It's kind of like when you and I were looking
at Duck Hodges, Doc Hodges, this is a camp and
on day one we saw Duck Codges and you and
I both went that guy has something.

Speaker 2 (32:57):
He was more mobiles, you know what we're talking about. Yeah, count.

Speaker 5 (33:04):
Who came from the Bills, has legitimate skills. Now, I'm
not saying he's taken any team to a super Bowl.
I'm not saying that he is the starting quarterback option
for the Steelers. However, I don't think he ever got
a fair look last season. I keep Kyle Allen also
on the roster. You have very few people in free

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agency available. Carson Wentz is available. He's backing up the
guy down in Kansas City.

Speaker 2 (33:31):
I've always liked Carson is a player.

Speaker 5 (33:33):
Is he one of those guys that comes back five
six years removed from that injury after the Eagles and
could perform?

Speaker 2 (33:42):
I don't know, But the bottom line is, yeah, he was,
he was playing. He was in the MVP races. So
I love Carson Wentz. So I'm throwing his name out
there for the Steelers. And would I pay him ten
to twelve? I would for Carson Wentz. I would rather
pay justin Fields Tennis.

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Speaker 5 (34:39):
Philadelphia Eagles is gonna be a nightmare for the Kansas
City Chiefs.

Speaker 2 (34:46):
They are brutal. I love Carter. They're getting the one
guy back. He's getting healthy. When you look at the
Eagles and.

Speaker 5 (34:53):
Their championship run here right now, Mike, they are blowing
into the offensive one.

Speaker 2 (35:00):
They are creating habits. They go like this, they go.

Speaker 5 (35:07):
And they have onion raft and it's horrible. Like Alex
karras with the Lions, they're causing some serious damage the
offensive line, with penetration, with playing physically, it's such.

Speaker 2 (35:28):
That is one of the things you're not seeing with
the Steelers right now.

Speaker 5 (35:31):
Despite Cam Hayward having a great season for the Elder Statesman,
uh mister Watt's fall off.

Speaker 2 (35:38):
At the end of this season.

Speaker 5 (35:39):
I do like Benton, but the Steelers offensive line Nate
looks nothing like the Eagles defensive line.

Speaker 7 (35:48):
Sorry, yeah, j Ley Carr is just the best. It's crazy.

Speaker 8 (35:51):
It's just they have like just plug and playing with
all these different guys, they're able to have so much success.

Speaker 7 (35:56):
I mean, while, like you said, we got Cam Hayward
out of his best year and is at his age.

Speaker 8 (36:01):
Tease you a little bit down with the en He's
still t j one Keyonic Benson started to play better.

Speaker 7 (36:06):
Okay, so you got guys there, but it just feels
like something's missing. There's not that samment.

Speaker 2 (36:11):
No, they're not. They're not meat eaters like the Philadelphia
Eagles defensive line.

Speaker 10 (36:15):
You just come at you.

Speaker 7 (36:16):
They's so physically.

Speaker 2 (36:18):
And I want to arc that too, you know.

Speaker 5 (36:21):
And he's a great guy, Carl Dunbar, Steelers offensive defensive
line coach, but he's getting up there a little bit
long in the tooth. That defensive line needs to become
meat eaters like the Eagles. There's no other way to
say it. Let's talk about offensive line. Mike knows this
has been my bugaboo for years. And I read your comments,

(36:42):
guys that you leave on YouTube and Facebook about the
offensive line. It starts with this and again I like
Pat Meyer, the offensive line coach.

Speaker 2 (36:52):
I was playing around with him on the sidelines last
year in the trope talking about old Chopp blocks and
Conrad Golbert.

Speaker 5 (37:00):
His leg kids are really like coach Myers a person however,
he is no Mike mun Check.

Speaker 2 (37:07):
This doesn't come down to me Peyton Nate about personality.

Speaker 5 (37:12):
Okay, again, I use the the Dotson, Kevin the Bulldozer Dotson.

Speaker 2 (37:17):
I called him. This guy had talent and somehow the
Steelers are like, hey, he sucks. He's out in La
now with a great offensive line. He made the Pro
Bowl this year. The argument, and I'll just go through
the line right now. You know the kid out of
Georgia playing right Roger Roderick Jones. I heard your comments he.

Speaker 5 (37:40):
Stinks this and that that's an island out there playing
right tackle, right mike or left tackle.

Speaker 2 (37:47):
The guy was thrown in that position. He got better
as the season came along. Yes, if it's me, I
am moving Broderick Jones to right guard. And that's a
whole line for the Steelers right Yeah, because James Daniels
has to go. He was McCormick's backup. No, he really
had a good year I don't think so. Not a

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great year, but for a rookie stepping in, you can't
have him as your starting guard next year. Right guard. Well,
here's the thing.

Speaker 5 (38:17):
If it's me, I'm moving Broaderick to right guard. Immediately
you saw off Zach Zach Frasier, we knew what.

Speaker 2 (38:24):
He was going to become. He is I like Salomalo
at left guard. However, he may have lost the war
the attrition against age towards.

Speaker 5 (38:38):
The end of the season, and don't forget about Fotting
and Detroit fought with Washington.

Speaker 2 (38:44):
He should be at right tackle.

Speaker 10 (38:45):
But the thing is, okay, you do that, which.

Speaker 2 (38:48):
I'm cool with. How do you do trust trust me?
They will not move Broderick Jones to right guard. They
get smart enough. But let's be hyping. So what are
you the big question, assuming whether Roger Boozer does.

Speaker 9 (39:02):
It, even if he isn't, what do you do at
left tack or? Because I don't think you could bring
back Dan Moore? Why he was okay, but when against
got against the big boys, against the big time rushers.

Speaker 2 (39:12):
He's improved every year.

Speaker 7 (39:13):
I thought he held up.

Speaker 2 (39:14):
But he's average.

Speaker 10 (39:16):
You need an elite left tack or who's gonna win?

Speaker 2 (39:19):
All right, let's cut to the chase, Nate, who's gonna win? Chief? Certain,
how do we take the offensive line to that? Because
it looks boring after a certain extent. How many times
did the line saviors line savior bloods amazing? You look,
it's some big boys and get a good coach.

Speaker 5 (39:38):
Did you buy your offensive line one time at Rutgers
of pizza and say thank you guys?

Speaker 2 (39:43):
Yeah? He said, yeah, sure, so he's not a stupid creer.
I didn't got a feature.

Speaker 4 (39:46):
I didn't have the you know, I played in a
different era, so we didn't have the money to go
out buying and Trump.

Speaker 2 (39:54):
Cars.

Speaker 4 (39:55):
Yeah, so you're so, I'll tell you what. You get
some big boys. You get a good old line coach,
it can coach it. You can get a good running
back coach that can also coach protections, and there goes
your old line.

Speaker 2 (40:07):
It's a lot. That's that's yeah, there's your protection. You've
got to have the running backs understanding it just as
well as the old one. Funny how much we talked
about coaching. What it comes down to Tom one of
the position coaches. So back to it, n.

Speaker 7 (40:24):
I've had the Chiefs going into there. I just can't
figure against them.

Speaker 8 (40:27):
I think the Chiefs do way and I think Specnolo
it was just too good, and I think Sirianni makes
a mistake or too down the stretch on our least.

Speaker 7 (40:35):
About him, I say coach O. Overall, I think the
Chiefs think one more, two more big plays.

Speaker 2 (40:41):
It will be.

Speaker 7 (40:42):
Interesting, though. Will Taylor Hurts had the game when you
did two years ago in the Super you had a
really good game. The Eagles are really close to win
that against the Chiefs.

Speaker 4 (40:49):
Yeah, but they didn't have the bark leaves and factor
back right right, That's that's true, And they.

Speaker 2 (40:54):
Don't expect it to be as much of a shootout
as that game. Los. What do you get a great
What do you think it is? What do you think
it will be? Score? I think like it'll be in
the twenties.

Speaker 8 (41:07):
Yeah, I'd say Chiefs twenty seven and twenty four, twenty seven,
twenty four.

Speaker 2 (41:13):
What about your I'm watching a John Wayne movie called
The Alamo. But what's your score? My prediction are my score?

Speaker 1 (41:22):
Yeah?

Speaker 9 (41:22):
Okay? Am I goings Ego? Okay, I'm going so Raiders right,
that's who I kicked them in the Super Bowl. Yeah,
so actually we did, me and Nate in a bracket
and I had the Eagles and the Chiefs in the Super.

Speaker 10 (41:38):
Bowl, and that I get, I do, and I picked
the Chiefs.

Speaker 9 (41:46):
However, the situation look like I feel like everybody like
it just feels like the Chiefs are just gonna walk
in and just win the game. They have the better quarterback,
they have the better coach. That but what this team
is gonna come down to is quarterback. It's either gonna
come down to who dominates the line of scrimmage or

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who which quarterback and which coach you know, come up better,
come up, do better in clutch situations. With the Chiefs,
I trust the quarterback and the coach a lot more.
With the Eagles, I trust their line of scrimmage. I
just feel like like this three peed, it feels like
people are saying it's inevitable, and the Chiefs are inevitable,

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and this.

Speaker 10 (42:29):
Eagles team and it is this hold on. I'm leaning
up to this and this Eagles team and I am
giving up.

Speaker 2 (42:35):
Hey, you guys, you've had your preambles.

Speaker 9 (42:37):
Let me have my grand And the Eagles have been
kind of weird all year, you know, Jalen Hurts.

Speaker 2 (42:44):
You know, is he a franchise quarterback?

Speaker 1 (42:47):
Uh?

Speaker 9 (42:47):
It's Nick Sirianni's yelling at fans like this whole team
has been weird all year, but yet here they are,
and it feels so easy to pick the eg the Chiefs.
But I think my QUT feeling is that the Eagles,
because we saw the Bills do this to the Chiefs
in the second half. I think of that AFC Championship.
I think the Eagles dominate the line of scrimmage as

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the game goes along, and I think if they stick
with Barkley and they take him a while to get
Barkley going, but I think he's.

Speaker 2 (43:15):
Gonna get going.

Speaker 9 (43:15):
I think Barkley is your MVP. And I think the
Eagles win twenty eights or let's do thirty one twenty eight.

Speaker 5 (43:26):
I agree Eagles will win this game. They're gonna get
up for it. I like the fact you say it
comes down to line play. I love Braun the inside linebacker.
That's what an inside linebacker looks like, Mike Domlin. They're
not this tall, okay, and weigh one hundred and sixty pounds.

Speaker 2 (43:45):
Mike Tomlin. Look at Braun with the Eagles.

Speaker 5 (43:49):
And that's what an inside linebacker looks like, not these
smurfs you want to play.

Speaker 2 (43:54):
So I don't know what they.

Speaker 10 (43:55):
Hap I distick the Chiefs in my bracket, but for
the now, I am picking.

Speaker 2 (43:59):
You gotta go the Eagles.

Speaker 4 (44:00):
They did you they gotta do you know, do you
know the backstory? How you've got to fill out the
grudge manage? You know, obviously they faced what two years
ago in the Super Tennis and it was you know,
coach Sirianni versus coach Reed.

Speaker 2 (44:19):
But do you know the backstory at all? There's they
gotten a fistfight back. Well there's you know, while.

Speaker 4 (44:26):
There's some you know, you know Nick coach Nick Serrion
got an opportunity coaching in the NFL.

Speaker 2 (44:34):
The Pittsburgh connection, Why.

Speaker 4 (44:36):
Don't gonna be a t mc up ton, hellym uptick
And when Andy Reid, uh, they they ended up firing
Todd Hally from.

Speaker 2 (44:47):
The Chiefs and Browns and Reeves go by.

Speaker 4 (44:51):
The Eagles and a Chiefs brought in Andy Reid and
Sirianni had you know, interview or I don't know if
he interviewed or was hoping to be retained by Reid
and he got let go. So there is a little
old shippy. Yeah, there's you know, so they I don't
think I think the first game days in.

Speaker 9 (45:14):
The Super he is the most elite roster. Howie Roseman,
that guy knows.

Speaker 7 (45:20):
What he's doing.

Speaker 2 (45:22):
I think he's got an opportunity. I think a little emotional.
I think he I think he you know, reels it in.
I think I think you know he's got the plan. Well.

Speaker 4 (45:33):
I think Andy Reid's a great coach. I think he's
extremely smart with Patrick Holmes and stuff. But the Eagles, Uh,
I think it's thirty four thirty.

Speaker 2 (45:42):
We got three Eagles and one Chiefs.

Speaker 4 (45:45):
Face.

Speaker 9 (45:46):
Guys, I just want to say I am rooting for
the Chiefs. I am a Pittsburgh guy. I would never
root for Philadelphia.

Speaker 4 (45:52):
Yeah, there is that going on, right, But it's gonna
come down. If Hirst plays twelve thirty four thirty, they win,
they take the over.

Speaker 2 (46:02):
They win.

Speaker 4 (46:03):
They're one and a half dogs right now, the over
unders forty nine.

Speaker 2 (46:07):
I think if the Eagles win, they take the over.
If the Chiefs win, you might want to when I look.

Speaker 9 (46:12):
At coaching at quarterback, everything tells me Chiefs like Nick Sirianni,
I'm sorry. This guy's not a very good football coach.
He almost flew a fifteen point lead to the Rams
in four minutes.

Speaker 2 (46:23):
Okay, and I don't trust at all. What well Carson
Wentz is gonna come in? We will We will be
with Peaks, his former team in the you heard it
first here and we don't want to see that go. Hey,

(46:43):
what if Mahomes goes out and what if Hurts goes out?
You got Wentz versus Picket? Actually still the Chiefs. One
last part, one last question.

Speaker 5 (46:58):
Better mascot that the Kansas City has the hangs out
in the end zone.

Speaker 2 (47:02):
I don't like. What is it? I forget? Are the
Eagles mascot? And it's like a seven foot tall eagle?
Now if you were drunk drinking tequila or mescal that.

Speaker 10 (47:16):
You are friends of parking?

Speaker 2 (47:18):
Yeah, our friends of parking. Imagine running into the Philadelphia
Eagle in an alley in Philadelphia, Man, break that? What
have you ran into the thing that the Chiefs?

Speaker 9 (47:26):
I don't know what it is?

Speaker 4 (47:27):
What is it?

Speaker 10 (47:28):
I forget?

Speaker 2 (47:29):
Mister Bubbles, you don't bring that flies down? And I
love you differences only but he always don't words Yeah,
it's adaptable. All right. We appreciate you guys listening to
our analysis and our weirdness and our fun. It's been

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a great season. Next up is the draft and speculative
free agency, free agency.

Speaker 5 (47:57):
And a whole bunch of stuff to come. And we'll
keep doing some stuff and sending it to you, but
appreciate you watching it. But don't forget. There's one last
thing we gotta gotta do. We got a marching band
coming down that as we need another drink stadium for
the eighteenth season celebration of Mike tomlins eighteen non winning seasons.

Speaker 2 (48:19):
We'll send you the day. Come down to join us.
It's gonna be great.

Speaker 5 (48:22):
We're gonna have Cabba Champagne, George Pickens is coming, and
we're gonna celebrate Mike Tomlin's eighteenth consecutive non losing season.

Speaker 2 (48:32):
Michael Man's coming. He's boring the Kansas City mascot of
mister Bubbles Rory the Lions. So it's gonna be the
great thing. And we'll see you in a week.

Speaker 5 (48:43):
When I was dressing up as the Raider, as a
Raider ed, yeah, all right, we'll see you at Akris.

Speaker 2 (48:51):
Have another drink. Stadium. Anything else is saying, right, we're
out here. Jameis Winston come to the Steelers even dump.

Speaker 4 (49:00):
That was fun.

Speaker 2 (49:01):
That was fun. That was fun. Mhm yeah, So we're
going to