Let's Talk Stil'rs - January 25, 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:04):
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Speaker 2 (00:39):
I don't know. What do you say they steak? I
don't know.

Speaker 3 (00:44):
I'm talking about Nate's of socks. You thought I was
talking about the Steelers. Yes, they do stay Nates socks.
They also speaker and true. Which one is worse?

Speaker 4 (00:55):
Though?

Speaker 5 (00:55):
Is the question?

Speaker 6 (00:56):
Welcome to Let's talk Steelers. I'm Tanky's part and he's Natan.
We're talking about the Steelers. You know what, Lawrence Bill
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Speaker 2 (01:15):
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Speaker 5 (01:16):
That's awesome?

Speaker 2 (01:17):
Could you not notice it?

Speaker 5 (01:20):
Didn't notice it?

Speaker 2 (01:21):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:21):
I just didn't today very observant. So we've come to
see our good friends Joe and as I forget his
brother's name. You know he runs around here doing all
the work while Joe takes all their credit.

Speaker 2 (01:32):
And Lawrence Bill is stilling.

Speaker 4 (01:34):
It's kind of bittersweet, guys, because they sponsored us all year,
we've gotten to know their products. Last week in the show,
if you missed it, Uh, the Steelers sucks so bad.

Speaker 2 (01:43):
I started drinking right out. I'm almost collapsed.

Speaker 5 (01:47):
And I think laugh. You could hear me in the
back round like dying laughing. Then you start laughing. Then
it went straight to comm laugh.

Speaker 2 (01:54):
I drink. He was giving McMahon didn't know what to think.
By the way, to quarterback Mike McMahon, he's down with
malaria or jungle fever whatever.

Speaker 5 (02:03):
Yeah, he's not doing too well.

Speaker 2 (02:05):
He didn't look good last week.

Speaker 7 (02:06):
Yeah, not doing He needs the rest. He's been trying
to fight thirt eats to just rest. Get through at
Mike McMahon, get better.

Speaker 4 (02:13):
If you want to see how tough Mike was, go
back to when he was quarterback in the Rutgers and
he's got a montage on there playing quarterback and play
Mike McMahon played quarterback like he like he was a linebacker.
He didn't take hits. He delivered all right, So it is,
let stock Steelers. We're here to talk about. Well, you
know how the president at the end of January, he's

(02:33):
going to get up there and give a State of
the Union address. We're going to give a State of
the Union about the Steelers.

Speaker 2 (02:39):
Either one of you guys go to the game. Yeah,
you didn't want to freeze goodness, I didn't.

Speaker 7 (02:43):
I was thinking about it, but then I saw the
weather and I was like, no, no way, I'm gon
stay home.

Speaker 5 (02:48):
And it was.

Speaker 7 (02:48):
That was a colossal disaster to watch until a fourth
quarter when they decided to throw the ball.

Speaker 5 (02:53):
But still it didn't work out.

Speaker 4 (02:55):
Well, what I mean, Steelers Nation, You guys got so
much going on out there. I mean, blah blah blah.
What do you want to talk about? To start about with?
They're they're heading into Baltimore. Let's talk about the four
game below up.

Speaker 5 (03:09):
How much of that park at your vodka did you
have on Saturday?

Speaker 2 (03:12):
On Saturday after the game, none of your business officer.

Speaker 8 (03:19):
Drinking and joking you because I'm too drunk to walk.

Speaker 9 (03:25):
Oh you gotta drive somebody else who's drunk right now?
George Pickens.

Speaker 10 (03:30):
He is zero zero receiving yards against the Cincinnati Bengals
on Saturday. He was dropping past his left and right
and his attitude is getting worse, and where he tried
to fight fans.

Speaker 9 (03:43):
So we saw that.

Speaker 5 (03:44):
He's talking to Tom doesn't know anything about that.

Speaker 2 (03:49):
I didn't hear anything. He didn't bull poppy, you rent.

Speaker 5 (03:55):
That's all. That's.

Speaker 2 (03:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (03:56):
He always says if something controvers happened, So that's first.

Speaker 5 (04:00):
Thing I've heard of it. You know, he always says
that what's the.

Speaker 4 (04:03):
Old saying, ignorance, you know is bliss. You know, ignorance
is bliss. If Toomlan sits there and.

Speaker 2 (04:10):
Goes, I don't knowing about it, he just go happily.

Speaker 7 (04:13):
I think he wants to keep, you know, keep distractions
a way out of the media. But I think by
him saying that, it just makes it kind of worse
and just doesn't address the issue at all and doesn't
set any standards for the team. They say the standard
is a standard, but every year there seems to be
a drama in some sort of way.

Speaker 2 (04:29):
Isn't that his way? Though?

Speaker 4 (04:30):
The way he communicates I think that irks a lot
of Steelers fans that he gives you these platitudes and
these these great you know, great saying the doors opening,
We're going to go back into jokes, We're going into
the distillery of Orangeville and figuring his wing out.

Speaker 2 (04:47):
He's what's your favorite tom One is?

Speaker 1 (04:50):
You know?

Speaker 2 (04:50):
The standard is?

Speaker 10 (04:51):
The standard is kind of the classic one. But I'm
sick and tired of it. I got to be honest,
I've been tired of it since since.

Speaker 9 (04:58):
The playoff wins route started almost a decade ago.

Speaker 10 (05:02):
It's just no other coach would be around still with
the lack of playoff success that Mike Tomlins had since
he's I mean really since twenty seventeen and the Tominisms,
they've dried up for me and for a lot of
Steven fans, I think, especially after this four year Los easte.
I mean last year they just non competitive against the

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Bills in the playoffs. I know the quarterback situation.

Speaker 4 (05:27):
Yeah, but did you have any hopes going into Buffalo?
We were, yeah, win not at all.

Speaker 10 (05:32):
No, every year it's wildcard round exits and and they
gave him a contract extension, they rewarded him.

Speaker 2 (05:39):
That's the insane, same thing. I mean, it just gets the.

Speaker 5 (05:43):
True they're content with mediocrity.

Speaker 7 (05:45):
They're content with just you know, having a competitive season
and not winning actually winning the playoff games.

Speaker 4 (05:52):
At this point, mediocrity define mediocrity.

Speaker 2 (05:57):
What's mediocrity and.

Speaker 7 (06:00):
Seven being competitive, being middle of the pack in the
league or maybe a little above that, and.

Speaker 5 (06:06):
Not winning a game, not winning anything in the playoffs.

Speaker 7 (06:09):
I want to go back to George Pickens though, because
I mean the guy, you know, this whole Michael Brewer
all this Michael Brewerly stuff that we'll come back, Okay,
Michael Brewerly on Twitter he's always we don't know it's
it's a supposedly his burner account he has that he's
you know, saying all sorts of stuff, just talking back
to people and talking talking crap, and then on on

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and then in the media he's getting contentious with meet
people in the media and media who.

Speaker 5 (06:37):
Are asking him questions.

Speaker 7 (06:38):
And then he goes on the field and Russ delivers
him three perfect passes or at least two, right, he just.

Speaker 5 (06:44):
Drops them flats out, drops flat out drops them. If
you aren't focused on the.

Speaker 7 (06:49):
Game, if you and you're talking crap outside of the game,
you got to back up your talk and he hasn't
done that. It's just a big distraction at this point.
He had two babysitters in that game, Pat Fryarmuth to
keep him away from the fans, and then Russell Wilson's
like talking to him like, you know.

Speaker 2 (07:06):
What that it was sick thing, you know.

Speaker 4 (07:08):
I mean, that's like an eighth grade teacher sitting little
Johnny going down.

Speaker 2 (07:12):
Dude, can't pull Becky's hair. I know you like Becky.
That's why you pulled her hair. And we're gonna have
a talk like that is so to throw a tom
that is so JV. It is JV.

Speaker 4 (07:25):
I mean, I get look if if Nate drops a pass,
I get look, brother, come on, man back in the game.

Speaker 2 (07:30):
We got this thing.

Speaker 7 (07:30):
You can't act like a clown on top of him
a child, He's a manchild.

Speaker 2 (07:35):
Yeah, you know it's so.

Speaker 4 (07:37):
Is he trying to play his way out of Pittsburgh?

Speaker 5 (07:41):
I don't.

Speaker 4 (07:41):
I dropped these passes and.

Speaker 5 (07:44):
And I'm gone, yeah, I act like an idiot.

Speaker 2 (07:47):
I'm out of here.

Speaker 8 (07:49):
He the idiot does He's always been like this though,
But does he really think we saw.

Speaker 2 (07:53):
Him go out and hug him? You know, Kelsey in
my home.

Speaker 4 (07:57):
Does he think Andy Reid, who's a groot football coach,
is gonna bring a cancer like George Dickens into a
winning championship team.

Speaker 7 (08:05):
He but Mahomes and Reed have dealt with cancers in
the in the past and turned turned them around. Who well,
I mean Rashee Rice, he was hurt this year, but
there was all sorts of stuff in the offseason. He
was performing great this during the season until he tours ACL.

Speaker 5 (08:23):
Would you take a chance on jama Rakis Brown has
had issues and.

Speaker 4 (08:26):
If you're the head coach of any NFL team, do
you take it?

Speaker 7 (08:30):
I think there's teams out there who are a desperate
can Las Vegas Raiders.

Speaker 2 (08:34):
Yes, I mean he's a Raider, you know, but.

Speaker 5 (08:39):
You got to trade him this offseason?

Speaker 2 (08:41):
Yeah you got.

Speaker 10 (08:42):
I think I think the Steelers need to invest in
the offense in the off season for sure.

Speaker 2 (08:46):
I mean the lowest.

Speaker 10 (08:47):
I mean they got the highest defensive spending and look
at this defense out of here in this losing streak.

Speaker 9 (08:52):
Pickens is just too much.

Speaker 10 (08:54):
It's I think you need to get a guy like
t Higgins or something.

Speaker 2 (08:57):
That's what I want.

Speaker 9 (08:58):
We'll get talking.

Speaker 10 (08:59):
Who's who's just a really good receiver week in and
week out or something to something like that. You need
to supplement that because they're thin and wide receiver anyway.

Speaker 4 (09:07):
You know who kind of fit that mold. And I'm
not saying he's great. Mike Williams had a good game.
Mike Williams made some catches. Mike Williams is a professional.
It gets up and due. I'm not saying he's Jamar Chase.
I'm not saying he's a game changer. I'm not even
saying he's just good. Because we're talking about George Pickens.

(09:33):
There's two conversations. Jack own Hyde happened here.

Speaker 2 (09:36):
Right.

Speaker 4 (09:36):
There's a guy who catches anything you throw at him. Right,
that's a pretty good wide receiver.

Speaker 10 (09:44):
He I mean, if he actually just focused on football
and nothing else, you know that nothing else get in
his way, he could be on the way of the
Hall of Fame with the talent he has. And he's
just rooting for himself and because of his childishness and
his just immatearity overall, it's it's he's a maturity.

Speaker 5 (10:01):
Shows on the field. He does not run every route hard.

Speaker 7 (10:04):
He doesn't and his routes are sometimes just not that
they don't look all that great. Do you see that
route at the end of the game that was not pretty?
And it was I mean, Russ was trying to hit
the sideline. He's up the field like and to me
like T getting a guy like T Higgins. He can
catch the one on one balls like Pickens. But he
also runs his routes and he is he's not going
to drop anything.

Speaker 4 (10:24):
He comes out of his breaks and he's not going
to be a problem. He comes out of his breaks.

Speaker 2 (10:29):
Horrible.

Speaker 4 (10:29):
Look, I can't tell you who the source is, and
you know it's a source of a source who's close
to the Steelers and one of those people inside the
locker room and coaching facility and players locker room down
there on the south side said to a friend of
a friend, you I trust he can't remember the plays,

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he can't remember his route.

Speaker 2 (10:53):
That's a problem and he's stupid. Yeah, now I've kept that.

Speaker 7 (10:59):
I mean, he's that much said much of a surprise
based on how ya No, no, no.

Speaker 11 (11:03):
But you know for and I trust this source that
said that, sources and it's still in you know, it
was one person I trust that you know, but you
can still look if he's stupid.

Speaker 2 (11:19):
That doesn't mean he could he would act like a child.

Speaker 4 (11:22):
He could be stupid and read VILD rounds and be
the politest wide receiver going on. I'm really starting to
wonder if there's some bipolar issues with this guy. Uh,
if there's something chemically wrong.

Speaker 5 (11:35):
With there, something out there's probably mental.

Speaker 10 (11:38):
There's something wrong with the Steelers. Every draft draft a
wide receiver as issues.

Speaker 4 (11:43):
I said two years ago, I wrote a story that
the Steelers need to get a witch doctor and go
down there into the Steelers wide receiving room and exercise
whatever demon is living in that.

Speaker 2 (11:56):
That wide receivers room because it's ab went.

Speaker 4 (12:00):
Of course, Burfett knocked him into another universe, all of them, Martavius, Bryan,
san antonio'homey.

Speaker 5 (12:07):
Who's but who's been the constant, who's been the constant.

Speaker 2 (12:10):
Through all the years with all of wide receiver.

Speaker 7 (12:12):
No Mike Tomlin, He's been the constant through all the years.

Speaker 5 (12:16):
He's the guy who takes chances on these kind of
good players and then it ends up failing.

Speaker 7 (12:21):
He's the guy who has poisoned this defense with.

Speaker 5 (12:24):
His lousy schemes.

Speaker 7 (12:26):
We have all this talent defensive side of the ball,
and yet we're allowing you know, four hundred yards a
game passing, you know, all.

Speaker 5 (12:33):
These passing yards like it's nothing.

Speaker 7 (12:35):
And he let Brian Klores walk because he knew Brian
Flores was the smarter defensive coach. But Tomlin wants you know,
Keith Butler, Terrell Austin, right, these are guys within the
organization that will just kind of beat Tomin's puppets because
you're going to run the defense how Tomlan wants it.
And he has his hands on the offense too, because
as we saw in the Cincinnati game, why are we

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being so conservative?

Speaker 4 (12:58):
We ran the ball for three. I want to get
to the Arthur Smith fiasco. Except well you want you
know what you did there. You've got a suitcase that
said Mike Tomlin on it. You put it down, you
and you just started throwing all the filtering dirty jockstraps.
And he is that goes.

Speaker 5 (13:20):
Through this organ Look at dirty jockstrap.

Speaker 2 (13:22):
Another dirty jockstrap by Mike Tomlin.

Speaker 7 (13:25):
He puts his He puts it instead of being a
CEO coach and hiring the best court near because that's
what Tomlin is.

Speaker 5 (13:31):
He's a motivator.

Speaker 4 (13:32):
He tried, he wants Hery Bradshaw say he got vilified
for it.

Speaker 2 (13:36):
He's a cheer leader.

Speaker 5 (13:37):
He thinks he can he can do everything he needs.

Speaker 2 (13:39):
He can scheme the defense.

Speaker 7 (13:40):
He thinks he can run the offense how he wants
to run the offense in terms of being conservative, run the.

Speaker 5 (13:46):
Ball, not a lot of down feature.

Speaker 2 (13:48):
I don't see it that way.

Speaker 4 (13:50):
I don't see you that way offensively because I go
back to Todd Hayley. Okay, Todd Haley, Randy Feet met Canada.
Now this Gibbroni and Arthur Smith. Now this argument goes
down the middle because I've been hearing it for years. Oh,
Todd Haley was a good offensive coordinator. No, no, he

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was not. And this is a subjective argument that Pittsburgh
Steeler team with the Killer Bees, Di Castro, Councy, the
Airborne Ranger Villa and a wava should have been to
two super Bowls. I'm not saying they would have won
two super Bowls.

Speaker 2 (14:30):
But that's how good.

Speaker 4 (14:31):
Let me ask you this, if the Killer Bees were
I had the offensive coordinator named Andy Reid, would they
have gone to those Super Bowls?

Speaker 2 (14:41):
Was? You're damn right?

Speaker 4 (14:42):
I even say hardball down in Baltimore would have been
a bettered head coach in the last fifteen years in
Pittsburgh than Tomlin was.

Speaker 5 (14:51):
Well. During a lot of those years here, the defense
was abismo.

Speaker 2 (14:53):
I don't want to talk to defense. I want to
stay on the offense.

Speaker 4 (14:55):
Because you brought it up about you know, the offense
right now, and you suggested that Tomlin is putting his
hands into the offense.

Speaker 7 (15:04):
I think, because why, here's where I see that and
I don't. I'm not saying that's always been the case
throughout the years, but the last couple of years, because
we were when we played Cincinnati the first time we
opened it up on first second down play action screens,
we were moving down the field forty forty points and
then all of a sudden, Ardersmith decides to just We're
going to run the ball, be very conservative against this

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one of the worst defenses in the league.

Speaker 5 (15:27):
How do you change from that to that? And that
no matter of five weeks.

Speaker 2 (15:32):
It's you say, what worked the first time? Right? What
worked the first time?

Speaker 4 (15:36):
We ate up their horrible defense with the passing game,
not trying to run Cordell Patterson, who's as frozen as
an ice cube in the.

Speaker 2 (15:46):
Fourth quarter and saying get in there. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (15:48):
And remember last week I was saying about pitch play,
pitch play, how you know it would drive me crazy
with Matt Canada, the friggin jet sweet Jet sweet Jet
sweet Jet. Sweets have their place, but that is not
a premise to build your offense. And Arthur Smith, to me,
Jet sweet is just trying to get to the outside

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all the time.

Speaker 5 (16:09):
And he does it with Nagy.

Speaker 7 (16:11):
It doesn't work with Nausey because he's a he's a
downhill runner.

Speaker 12 (16:14):
Dude, it does He's his biggest some lineman, right, he's
his biggest linebackers.

Speaker 2 (16:21):
Let him run through that a.

Speaker 13 (16:22):
Gap beside the center and the B gap and put
a hurting on those line pit Why did he never
at any point have a Nagy and Jalen on the
field at the same time.

Speaker 2 (16:34):
Put Nagy in.

Speaker 5 (16:35):
I've never seen him do a two running back set
with Nagy in.

Speaker 2 (16:38):
A full back position.

Speaker 4 (16:40):
I don't know if he likes to hit things which
full back I'm not seeing all.

Speaker 5 (16:44):
The time, that musical guy. Yeah, but do it.

Speaker 2 (16:46):
Let Nagy will play.

Speaker 14 (16:47):
A fullback on one play thirty two pounds off the center.

Speaker 2 (16:51):
And let little Scott back run off his button.

Speaker 4 (16:55):
Look, I think Arthur Smith has to go and go now,
but premise upon Mike Talland.

Speaker 2 (17:01):
Is he going to get rid of him?

Speaker 7 (17:03):
If he does get rid of him, who are they
going to hire? Exactly, They're not going to hire a
good replacement.

Speaker 5 (17:08):
And this has been done.

Speaker 2 (17:10):
No, you'll get the next.

Speaker 4 (17:11):
But you know, if you guys watch the show or
read anything I put up, do you know who Andy
Whidell is.

Speaker 5 (17:19):
Yeah, he's the system's assistant GM with.

Speaker 4 (17:22):
Night and I told McMahon this, When Andy Whidhell gets here, what.

Speaker 2 (17:28):
It's going to do is it's gonna extend Talland's.

Speaker 4 (17:31):
Career here in Pittsburgh because Andy Whidell is a genius.

Speaker 2 (17:35):
Remember Omar Kahn and I like Omar. He was the.

Speaker 4 (17:39):
Travels secretary, Okay, Omar and I applaud him.

Speaker 2 (17:43):
I like him.

Speaker 4 (17:44):
He wanted to be in the NFL and management. But
in regards to x'es and o's and players and players,
it's Andy widel And what you saw with this off
season changing around with significantly with Russell and fields regardless
of those worked out, is Andy Whidhell's football mind.

Speaker 2 (18:05):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (18:06):
How much he was involved widele with picking Arthur Smith.
I don't, but if you want, if the whole thing
doesn't get blown up, and the one thing they do
do is get I think it's get a new offensive coordinator,
and I want Andy Widel to go find the guy.

Speaker 2 (18:22):
What do you want to see in an offense?

Speaker 7 (18:25):
Well, something more innovative, someone from you know, like the
Sawn McVeigh tree or something like that, from.

Speaker 2 (18:30):
The West Coast offense.

Speaker 5 (18:32):
But they had an opportunity.

Speaker 7 (18:34):
They they they interviewed the guy who is the offensive
coordinator for Atlanta.

Speaker 2 (18:40):
He was under the McVeigh tree, but we that he.

Speaker 7 (18:42):
Went to Atlanta because he used to coach with I
forget Atlanta's coach his name.

Speaker 1 (18:51):
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Speaker 5 (20:02):
The defense was abysmal. I don't want to talk to offense.

Speaker 4 (20:04):
I want to stay on the offense because you brought
it up about you know, the offense right now, and
you suggested that Tomlin is putting his hands into the offense.

Speaker 7 (20:14):
I think, because why, here's where I see that and
I don't. I'm not saying that's always been the case
throughout the years, but the last couple of years, because
we were when we played Cincinnati the first time we
opened it up on first second down play action screens,
we were moving down the field forty points and then
all of a sudden, Arber Smith decides to just we're
going to run the ball, be very conservative against this

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one of the worst defenses.

Speaker 5 (20:37):
In the league.

Speaker 2 (20:38):
How do you change from that to that? And no
matter of five weeks, it's you say, what worked the
first time? Right? What worked the first time?

Speaker 4 (20:46):
We ate up their horrible defense with the passing game,
not trying to run Cordell Patterson who's as frozen as
an ice cube in the fourth quarter and saying get
in there.

Speaker 2 (20:58):
Yeah, and remember last week I was saying about a
pitch play, how you.

Speaker 4 (21:03):
Know it would drive me crazy With Matt Canada, the
friggin jet sweep Jet sweet Jet sweet Jet sweets have
their place, but that is not a premise to build
your offense. And Arthur Smith, to me, jet sweep is
just trying to get to the outside all the time.

Speaker 5 (21:20):
And he does it with Nagy. It doesn't work with
Nausey because he's a He's a downhill runner, dude.

Speaker 12 (21:25):
It doesn't biggest some lineman, he's his biggest linebackersli let
him run through that a.

Speaker 13 (21:32):
Gap beside the center and the B gap and put
a hurting on those Linemit. Why did he never at
any point have a Nagy and Jalen on the field
at the same time.

Speaker 2 (21:44):
Put Nagy in.

Speaker 5 (21:45):
I've never seen him do a two running back set.

Speaker 2 (21:47):
Well, Nagy in a full back position.

Speaker 4 (21:50):
I don't know if he likes to hit things, which
full back I'm not saying all the time is a guy, Yeah,
but do it let Nagy will.

Speaker 14 (21:57):
Play a fullback on one play thirty two found off
the center and let little Scott back run off his butt.

Speaker 4 (22:05):
Look, I think Arthur Smith has to go and go now.
But premised upon Mike Donland, is he gonna get rid
of him?

Speaker 9 (22:13):
He's gonna stay here.

Speaker 7 (22:14):
If he does get rid of him, who are they
gonna hire? Exactly, They're not gonna hire a good replacement.

Speaker 5 (22:19):
And this has been done.

Speaker 4 (22:20):
No, you'll get the next But you know, if you
guys watch the show or read anything I put up,
do you know who Andy Whidell is.

Speaker 5 (22:29):
Yeah, he's the system. He's assistant GM with under Kahn.

Speaker 2 (22:33):
Right, And I told McMahon this, When Andy.

Speaker 4 (22:36):
Whdhell gets here, what it's gonna do is it's gonna
extend Tallon's career here in Pittsburgh because Andy Whitel is
a genius. Remember Omar Kahn, and like Omar, he was
the travels secretary.

Speaker 2 (22:51):
Okay, Omar and I applaud him. I like him. He
wanted to be in the NFL and management.

Speaker 4 (22:57):
But in regards to x'es and o's and players and players.

Speaker 2 (23:02):
It's Andy Widell.

Speaker 4 (23:03):
And what you saw with this off season changing around
with significantly with Russell and fields regardless of those worked out.
Is Andy Whidhall's football mind. I don't know how much
he was involved while with picking Arthur Smith. I don't.
But if you want, if the whole thing doesn't get
blown up, and the one thing they do do is

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get I think it's get a new offensive coordinator, and
I want Andy Whidel to go find the guy.

Speaker 2 (23:32):
What do you want to see in an offense.

Speaker 7 (23:35):
Well, something more innovative, someone from you know, like the
Sawn McVeigh tree or something like that, from the.

Speaker 2 (23:41):
The West Coast offense.

Speaker 5 (23:43):
They had an opportunity.

Speaker 2 (23:44):
They they they.

Speaker 7 (23:46):
Interviewed the guy who's the offensive coordinator for Atlanta.

Speaker 2 (23:50):
He was under the McVeigh tree, but he went.

Speaker 7 (23:53):
To Atlanta because he used to coach with I forget
Atlanta's coach his name. He used to coach with him,
and they ended up Bringie Morris and they ended up
doing together. But I just I feel like under I
think Tomalin ends up. I think Olmark Kahn and Andy
whideall have tried to change some things they did, but
in the end and they have, but in the end,
the things that need to change Tomas is Tomlin is

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what Tomlin decides, and he ends up making the final
decisions on a lot of things, and some things he's
just not.

Speaker 5 (24:21):
Going to He's not going to budge on. You know,
why can't we trade Tomlin?

Speaker 7 (24:30):
Like I feel like there's a lot of teams that
would be interested in Mike Tomin.

Speaker 2 (24:34):
Do you get a job within a half hour, That's
what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (24:37):
And people say, well, that's why you don't get rid
of him. Well, you could get value for him and
start and start fresh, like you know, I just they.

Speaker 10 (24:45):
Say that, like we have to keep him anybody and
the other franchis would take him in a second.

Speaker 9 (24:50):
That's like, oh, that's why.

Speaker 2 (24:51):
You take him.

Speaker 10 (24:52):
Yeah, like the Teams of Water, where like the Jets,
the Jacks, the Jaguars, the Raiders, these are not good franchises.

Speaker 9 (24:58):
They would take him in a second.

Speaker 10 (25:00):
Because there's such as there's still much a stability.

Speaker 9 (25:02):
He brings stability, that's all.

Speaker 2 (25:04):
He brings.

Speaker 10 (25:04):
Mediocrity, he brings a outdated system and what they should
do with their offenses. Get Darnell Washington and get pet
Rar at the Baltimore, especially Darnell, get him in the
open field, get him the ball, it's.

Speaker 9 (25:17):
Still hard to tackle him. He did it like one day, threw.

Speaker 5 (25:19):
I like the earlier in the year, and they have
it at all lately. I don't know.

Speaker 7 (25:23):
It seemed like Arthur Smith has just gone away from
what was working in a lot of in a lot
of areas.

Speaker 4 (25:28):
I don't know his philosophy at all, because you know
what McMahon and I were talking.

Speaker 15 (25:35):
You know, you evaluate your talent. You know, you evaluate
your talent on day one. You sit down and go
what I got? I got a workers and not you
who's gotten a thousand yards.

Speaker 2 (25:48):
They did it again this year. I know it's a
seventeen games.

Speaker 5 (25:51):
It's gonna be here next year.

Speaker 2 (25:52):
I don't get into that.

Speaker 4 (25:53):
I'm talking about Smith evaluating what he's got. The moron
like Matt can that didn't realize he has a hell
of a running back in Jalen Moore. I mean, you
knew that, right, yea.

Speaker 5 (26:07):
More than nauge and lately.

Speaker 2 (26:09):
Don't give me lately, but game one, Game one, you
knew you had two backs.

Speaker 5 (26:14):
You should be using both of them equally, and they
should both.

Speaker 2 (26:17):
Be forget him.

Speaker 4 (26:17):
Yeah, and we were just talking about maybe using both
of them in the backfield. Maybe Nagy one play at
full back, whatever split formation throat.

Speaker 2 (26:26):
You got both of them in the flats. I got
both these studs to throw through anything other than what
the hell he's done.

Speaker 4 (26:32):
And to review, he's played Nagy like crazy, trying to
get him outside, trying to get him outside work.

Speaker 2 (26:39):
When you know, but he keeps doing it. He sat
Jaylen on the bench.

Speaker 4 (26:46):
Theoretically, I know he was hurt for a while most
of the year, and now all of a sudden, I'm
gonna use him. He's an idiot. He got Like you
said about Darnell Washington, if you did not have Pat
Fryer movie, could you make a tight end work in
Darnell Washington?

Speaker 2 (27:01):
Of course Weekend week out?

Speaker 9 (27:03):
Yeah, with how Bi held massive.

Speaker 10 (27:05):
He's such a good walker, he's such a good nobody
can tackle him in the open peel.

Speaker 9 (27:09):
He's so big, he's he's weeping than everybody.

Speaker 16 (27:11):
Well, why the hell doesn't Arthur smithsy that I think
that they think he's a bit slow, like in terms
of speed, but like I, I, well, hell.

Speaker 7 (27:22):
He catch the ball, yes, and I think it's rout.
Running would improve if you gave him the opportunity.

Speaker 4 (27:26):
And here's think through this okay with us. Here's the thing, though,
what you know, offensive.

Speaker 2 (27:32):
Play calling is a chess game. Okay, whether he's slow
or not.

Speaker 4 (27:37):
If he starts, you guys have heard me ran about
attacking those linebackers right, making their lives.

Speaker 2 (27:43):
Here's two entire linebackers, right.

Speaker 4 (27:45):
You start pounding them with Washington, Mount Washington, right.

Speaker 2 (27:50):
Pound, Just go.

Speaker 4 (27:51):
Hit him, annoyed him, make him know you're there.

Speaker 2 (27:57):
Just keep hitting him. Do me a favor. Get him
out of the hole so Naugy the freight train can
run up there. Make his life miserable.

Speaker 4 (28:05):
Oh here, Mount Washington, run a since you're slow, Tommy
at Faber, run it for its simple playground terms, the
button hook eight yards, run at him, turn around and
you're twenty feet tall.

Speaker 2 (28:18):
Russell's gonna throw the ball at you. There you go.
You got that aspect.

Speaker 4 (28:22):
Now this linebacker's gotta start worrying about Mount Washington.

Speaker 2 (28:25):
Duddy, Well, what about Friar Mooth? You do have to
tight ends. And now all of a sudden, you got
friar Mouth over here.

Speaker 4 (28:32):
If you're running a two set, Now he the other
linebacker's gotta worry about Mouth. Who you've been attacking Mooth
at him, and you can get Jalen to the outside
because he's gonna be.

Speaker 2 (28:43):
All crap fire Moo's gonna be I mean the ribs again.

Speaker 4 (28:46):
There's just so much fundamentally wrong with Arthur Smith's. Hey,
you're listener to let's talk Steelers. I'm tank I'm gonna
have a heart attack. Mike Tomlin has heke? Should we
tell them about the big party?

Speaker 2 (28:58):
Yes?

Speaker 8 (28:58):
Yes, yes, Yes, Stealers station, fret not over this for
a game losing streak, Grab yourself, come to Lawrenceville is stilling.
Grab a bottle of parking Chair vodka, maybe ginger Gin.

Speaker 2 (29:11):
We want you to come celebrate with us at Actress Shore.

Speaker 8 (29:14):
I'll have another drink stadium here in a couple of
weeks when the season ends, and we're gonna celebrate, harn't
we guys.

Speaker 6 (29:21):
That's right Mike Tomlin's eighteenth winning considered.

Speaker 2 (29:27):
Sit Still Older Station.

Speaker 4 (29:29):
You book for sledstalk Stealers on YouTube or Facebook. We're
gonna make the big announcement please, regardless of how bad
the Ravens tear us up, and.

Speaker 8 (29:39):
We're gonna celebrate this wonderful achievement of a thingy ding
darn mediocre thing at hi A.

Speaker 2 (29:47):
For sure, I'll have another drink.

Speaker 4 (29:49):
You two will come with me at least every thousands
of people, and George Pickens has been invited. The most
popular Steeler in Pittsburgh these days, everybody's talking about George.
Please come to our celebration anyway, join us down ahind
Ackers Shore three Rivers Stadium, whatever the hell it's come
and we're gonna celebrate Mike Doblin's eighteenth winning season.

Speaker 2 (30:12):
Look for that.

Speaker 4 (30:13):
We gotta have champagne and caviar for everybody willing to
buy a plus ticket for Terry Bradshaw to the grey
Isund Station from Texas. Anyway, we'll keep you posted about that,
all right. You know we talked about George Pickets. I'm
gonna wrap it up, get rid of it. And like
you said, there's everybody can see his talents. If this

(30:36):
guy had a Jerry Rice and I know this before
your time, but Jerry's kind of considered the Goats. If
he had his work ethic, if he had his devotion
to team, we'd all be in Canton. I'll probably be
dead in another ten years, but you guys are being
can't if this guy doesn't get some serious mental help.

(30:56):
And I'm gonna say it, I think something's wrong with him.
Mental is either bipolar. There's just no way you could
get to this level as a professional athlete.

Speaker 2 (31:09):
But if his high school coach enabled.

Speaker 4 (31:12):
Them, because George can catch anything at the Bulldogs Georgia.
So but I think as a collective for Steelers Nation,
we're done with this crap from wide receivers. Yeah, I
mean we're done with Like I said, get a voodoo
witch doctor to go in that wide receiver's room because
there's a demon women in there getting in these guys' heads.

(31:34):
So that led us to the U unpacked every dirty
piece of laundry and Mike Tomlin's.

Speaker 2 (31:38):
Suitcase there and throw it all over the place. Look,
you know, I'm not a fan. Here's the worst part
for me.

Speaker 4 (31:45):
When Tomlin first got hired, they had these shirts and
it was kind of take off on Barack Obama's shirt.

Speaker 2 (31:52):
Hope. Right. I don't know if you guys.

Speaker 4 (31:54):
Are here, guys, you just getting guys got out of
kindergarten two days ago. I remember I was a Tomlin
supporter when he first got here. Right, and he has
eroded two things. One my belief in him as a
head coach, and more so, you guys.

Speaker 2 (32:13):
I told you what happened.

Speaker 4 (32:14):
I ended up making the NFL in that work last
year because I got in two years ago, because I
got into it with him again during a rest conference.

Speaker 2 (32:23):
You know, he doesn't like me, and I don't like
him at this point.

Speaker 4 (32:26):
He doesn't like me because I know football, because I
asked him things that the other reporters don't ask football.

Speaker 2 (32:33):
You know what.

Speaker 4 (32:34):
For example, let's go to the Bengals game and follow
us on this. We'll use our parking chair bucket from
Lawrence Will. That's stilling to illustrate again. Here's your safeties.
Here's Minka, there's mister Elliott.

Speaker 2 (32:48):
I like him.

Speaker 4 (32:51):
Pierre seventh round draft pick who should be playing safety,
not corner. Some wow on one of the best wide
receivers in the league, Jamar Chase. I'll be coking. It's refreshing.
Here's Jamar Chase coming down the field and the best

(33:11):
thing that their defense can do is roll the two
safeties over here and let James Vierre one on one
in the corner with no help from either me.

Speaker 5 (33:23):
They were doing a lot of one on one, a
lot of one on them.

Speaker 2 (33:26):
How did that work out probably not well.

Speaker 7 (33:28):
Although I do want to say I feel like James
Pierre didn't play a whole lot in that game.

Speaker 5 (33:32):
I could be wrong. He might have had a couple
that might have been.

Speaker 2 (33:37):
On that play. Yeah, why are you not getting any help?

Speaker 4 (33:41):
Which is theoretically what the safeties are supposed to do
in week seventeen, is not one of the safeties rolling
over with him to give support to Here comes Chase.
I can't leave him on one on one with Pierre.
That's week one stuff in Lake trop not week seventeenth

(34:03):
against the Bengals. To me, that was the biggest illustration.

Speaker 2 (34:08):
How bad this secondary's playing right now. It's not good,
It's horrible. Do you guys remember I started on a
rant a couple of weeks ago, and we went off
on a different RNT.

Speaker 4 (34:18):
I started to say, as Beanie Bishop goes, so goes
this playoff run.

Speaker 7 (34:25):
Do you remember he was again near the ball making
another play, another interception.

Speaker 1 (34:34):
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(34:57):
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Speaker 4 (35:07):
The round draft pick who should be playing safety, not
corner somehow on one of the best wide receivers in
the league, Jamar Chase. I'll be cokeing. It's refreshing. Here's
Jamar Chase coming down the field. And the best thing
that their defense can do is roll the two safeties

(35:28):
over here and let James Pierre one on one in
the corner with no help from either mea.

Speaker 5 (35:36):
They were doing a lot of one on one, a
lot of.

Speaker 10 (35:38):
One on them.

Speaker 2 (35:39):
How did that work out?

Speaker 7 (35:40):
Probably not well, although I do want to say I
feel like James Pierre didn't play a whole lot in
that game.

Speaker 5 (35:44):
I could be wrong. He might have had a couple
that might have been.

Speaker 2 (35:49):
On that play. Yeah, why are you not getting any help?

Speaker 4 (35:53):
Which is theoretically what the safeties are supposed to do
in Week seventeen, is not one of the safeties rolling
over with him to give support to Here comes Chase.

Speaker 2 (36:05):
I can't leave him on one on one with Pierre.

Speaker 4 (36:10):
That's Week one stuff in Lake trop not Week seventeenth
against the Bengals. To me, that was the biggest illustration.
How bad this secondary's playing right now.

Speaker 2 (36:23):
It's not good, it's horrible. Do you guys remember I
started on a rant a.

Speaker 4 (36:27):
Couple of weeks ago and we went off on a
different brand. I started to say, as Beanie Bishop goes,
so goes this playoff run.

Speaker 7 (36:38):
Do you remember he was again near the ball making
another player another interception.

Speaker 2 (36:43):
The reason I said that is because James Vierre is
a safety.

Speaker 17 (36:47):
He's not a other corner on one of the best
in my opinion, So whether they're playing Nike or Dime,
this guy should be on the field, Beanie Bishop. And
the reason I said a couple of weeks ago, and
we're running out of time with Jackson the Ravens game
coming up.

Speaker 4 (37:03):
He's a ballplayer, so I want to get in now
to the Ravens game. Yeah, I want to talk about
this secondary in the Ravens game. A return to the
zone blitz. There's only one way that you're going to
be able to shut him Jackson down this weekend. Make
his life uncomfortable, Beanie Bishop. I'm pretty sure Google it

(37:27):
runs a four to two forty that's lightning in a ball. Right,
you can bring him from the corner slot and get
into the backfield and make Jackson uncomfortable.

Speaker 5 (37:40):
They have to get pressure.

Speaker 2 (37:42):
Joey porter Is is destined. Don't forget. It's only what
years he what's his second year? Finally we're at the end.

Speaker 4 (37:48):
Of two years. Man, he's learning the position. He's a ballplayer.
He tackles people. He's a great gamer. He's not confident yet.
We saw he was real handsy against Chase in the
first game. Right, he's good. He doesn't have to be handsy.
He can trust his skill. But if I have those

(38:09):
two assets and to Shaun Elliott, you can do a
zone blitz package against the Ravens because otherwise I don't
know how you stop that defense or that offense.

Speaker 7 (38:21):
You rarely see them blitz because they feel uncomfortable with
their secondary and their secondary is a little thin.

Speaker 2 (38:28):
But there's still ball. You got, Minka, you got.

Speaker 5 (38:30):
You can design schemes where.

Speaker 7 (38:32):
Guys can Guys will be covered and you can bring
a guy off the edge or bring.

Speaker 5 (38:37):
A five man, bring a six man blitz on occasion.

Speaker 7 (38:40):
They did that a little bit in the Bengals game,
but it was usually just one on one and then Cam.

Speaker 5 (38:45):
I remember the one time they brought one, Cam batted
it down.

Speaker 2 (38:48):
They got lucky.

Speaker 7 (38:49):
Yeah, So the way they bring the blitz is usually
don't work and they get exposed. But I feel like
it's because, like you said, they don't they don't do
it right.

Speaker 5 (38:57):
They don't do zone blitz, they don't shute.

Speaker 4 (39:00):
Bring Pierre in off a corner blitz because he runs.
He runs a nine point forty, you know. So to me,
that's the only way, you know, you got to You
got to use all your defensive aspects.

Speaker 2 (39:13):
Get Herbick involved in the des fense.

Speaker 4 (39:16):
I'm going to segue into this because you guys are
at nauseum.

Speaker 2 (39:20):
Heard me talk about Patrick Queen.

Speaker 4 (39:23):
This game last game against the Angle sealed it for
me with him. How can you have and he has
like sixty five tackles on the year, but he's playing
middle linebacker. He does not like to tackle. He is
over in the Chiefs game, run over in the Chiefs game.
He's not wrapping and running through. He's one of these guys,

(39:45):
excuse me, Peyton like a corner.

Speaker 2 (39:47):
This is how he makes his tackle. This is how
he's meant some tackles. That is not how you make tackle.
No stand there, now you want to wrap up. Let's
do a demonstration. No your hips, you're running through where
you're running through like that. Here you go, there you go.

Speaker 5 (40:08):
That's how you tackle that.

Speaker 2 (40:09):
You don't shoulder tackle.

Speaker 5 (40:11):
You can't have an inside linebacker.

Speaker 4 (40:13):
You can't have an inside linebacker whose shoulder tapped.

Speaker 2 (40:17):
I feel like he was.

Speaker 7 (40:18):
Much more of a thumper early on in the season,
even in the Bengals the first Ravens game. Remember he
was flying all over the place. And at the end
of the season, it's like he's just like he's just soft.
It's like either he's dealing with an injury or he's tired, or.

Speaker 5 (40:31):
I don't know what it is. I don't know. I
don't know. He's not even that old, so I don't
know what the deal is.

Speaker 2 (40:35):
I don't know. You know, I started, We know.

Speaker 5 (40:37):
He sticks in pass coverage, so he has to be
a thumper.

Speaker 4 (40:42):
But he gets you know, we've talked about this to
all season. Mate, if it's in front of him, Patrick Queen,
he's fast, he's quick, right, he can deal with it.

Speaker 2 (40:53):
But again, let's use Parking cher vodka.

Speaker 4 (40:55):
Okay, if this is a tight end, all right, Teddan's
coming in here across his own he can lock on him,
he can hit him, Okay. Where he has no sense
of spatiality is if somebody gets behind him, he gets lost,
like it's not in his minders.

Speaker 5 (41:17):
He was yelled at other people, but he's.

Speaker 2 (41:19):
Still about ten more yards to cover here or something.

Speaker 4 (41:22):
He gets anything behind him, he gets like flustered. Yeah,
you know, just you know, I'm just not sold on
Patrick queen. But here's the thing I think, if you,
Mike Tomlin comes back next year, he look, this is
what he's always wanted, an undersized Devin Bush inside linebacker.
Because according to Tomlin, it's a passing league. If Kwan

(41:46):
Smith made Patrick probably made Patrick's queen look good in Baltimore.

Speaker 9 (41:53):
Yeah, because he, I mean, he's so good.

Speaker 7 (41:55):
And there's a reason why the Ravens sitting off him
a contract.

Speaker 4 (41:59):
Yeah, you said it, You said it.

Speaker 7 (42:02):
And the Ravens have been very good defensively for years
under their defensive coordinators. The Mike McDonald I believe, or
he was at Michigan, but he was with Baltimore.

Speaker 5 (42:12):
Whoever, wasn't it? Yeah, Mike McDonald was either Ravens de
coordinator last year, or the Michigan in coordinator.

Speaker 2 (42:19):
I don't know.

Speaker 7 (42:19):
He was the Ravens de coordinator. He gets the job
of Seattle. Now they're bringing this new guy, or they
kind of were struggling there, but they made an adjustment
with Kyle Hamilton and now their defense is getting is improving,
says the Steelers once again, It's like the Steelers, they
get worse as the season goal goes on. An organization
like the Ravens, they get better as the season goes along.

Speaker 2 (42:39):
Which you know, and that's what you know.

Speaker 4 (42:41):
Let's go back to Arthur Smith or the defense as
an example again, if you put Harball in Pittsburgh over
the same tenure fifteen years as Tablin, I think HARBALLI
takes them to two more Super Bowls as opposed to
Mike Donald.

Speaker 7 (42:57):
I think John has his I think John can be
a bit not quite. He can be kind of like Tomlin.
The fact they're not quite buttoned up like from the Ravens.
This year they have the most penalties in the league. Yeah,
but I think defensively they're They're more sharp for sure,
and offensively right, I.

Speaker 5 (43:12):
Mean they're taking cheap they took a chance on Lamar Jackson.
They got their guy. Their offensive courtiers haven't been.

Speaker 7 (43:17):
Quite sharp, but it's not as bad as the Steelers,
that's for sure.

Speaker 5 (43:20):
He's definitely doing a better job as a CEO coach
than Tomlin is.

Speaker 7 (43:24):
And Tomlin doesn't act like a CEO. He's he's doing everything.
He didn't see he's got. And I remember I said
about him the britt Beangals game, but that was that
was a report that I.

Speaker 5 (43:34):
Heard from Jerry Doulac. I think it's Garry.

Speaker 7 (43:37):
I think it's Jerry Doulac, and he said that Tomlin
for some reason, thought there's no way they could put
up forty four points again, so they need to be
conservative and run the ball and keep the ball away
from Urrow.

Speaker 5 (43:49):
Meanwhile, Verrow still had, they still controlled.

Speaker 7 (43:51):
The time of possession either way, so it wasn't for
tip couple of tip balls and some bad couple miss
time throws. With bur they would put up a lot
more points than they did, a lot more.

Speaker 4 (44:03):
Who would you rather have Joe Burrows or Wilson Burrow
all day long? And you know, and that's a good
segue into the next thing we're going to talk about. Look,
we're gonna have a long time until September after we
lose to the Ravens.

Speaker 2 (44:18):
But I do think there is one to hold.

Speaker 4 (44:19):
There's this like slight chance we go into Baltimore and
pull that off on a ball as a wall last
minute kick. But as you get into next year, you
got justin fields. You now have Russell Wilson. And I'll
ask you, this is Mike Tomlin, a stubborn guy, Yes,

(44:39):
very much. The Yeah, what do you do?

Speaker 2 (44:42):
Well?

Speaker 10 (44:42):
Then both are I mean both are free agents too technically.

Speaker 9 (44:46):
I mean, so I don't know what. I don't think
Russell Wilson's the answer.

Speaker 2 (44:50):
You can't be.

Speaker 10 (44:50):
I mean it's the quarterback league noverous. See all the
best quarterbacks they're league, they're teams in the playoffs, while
the worst a quarterbacks are not.

Speaker 2 (44:58):
Two season's over.

Speaker 10 (44:59):
So I think they need to upgrade the position somehow.
I love what say from saying Darnold It's not gonna.

Speaker 9 (45:05):
Happen, but that would.

Speaker 10 (45:06):
Be a great There's the quarterback markets is really thinness.

Speaker 2 (45:09):
I just analyzed it the other day. It's nothing horrible.

Speaker 10 (45:12):
I mean Carson Wentz, Yeah, Aaron Rodgers.

Speaker 5 (45:16):
I like Carson Wentz.

Speaker 2 (45:18):
But let me tell you, I would not.

Speaker 4 (45:20):
I love the fact that if we could get hold
of Aaron Rodgers, but why wouldn't he come to this
coat show?

Speaker 9 (45:28):
I don't with the Jets, do.

Speaker 5 (45:32):
We really want his drama here?

Speaker 2 (45:34):
What drama? He doesn't bring any drama.

Speaker 5 (45:36):
He does all the time.

Speaker 7 (45:37):
Like what he's there's always you know, he's always with
his you know, he's on the Pat McAfee show.

Speaker 5 (45:43):
Saying stuff and there's just always needs to be drama.

Speaker 2 (45:46):
You're on this show saying I don't know.

Speaker 7 (45:50):
He's always in the news, and it's just like and
he's talking about stuff outside of football.

Speaker 5 (45:55):
And it's just like, And I don't think there's that.

Speaker 2 (45:57):
Much of a difference.

Speaker 5 (45:58):
I think he's he's better than Rob.

Speaker 2 (46:00):
But not did you watch the game the other day? Yeah,
I think.

Speaker 4 (46:06):
Dude has game. Dude has game. Dude, Aaron Rodgers still
has game. But he's not coming to Pittsford. There's no
way he's coming to Pittsford. What warm market team needs
him right now? I mean, when you're that old, trust me,
you're going to get here.

Speaker 2 (46:23):
You need to be warm.

Speaker 4 (46:24):
Everything you've ever broken in your body hurts the Raiders.

Speaker 5 (46:29):
Why would he want to get there?

Speaker 4 (46:31):
I don't know the Raiders that have a mystical I
love the Raiders are my second favorite team.

Speaker 2 (46:36):
You're not going to get Aaron Rodgers. But this is
what I see at this moment.

Speaker 5 (46:42):
Let's just talk about Russ and Justine and Justin That's
what I want to.

Speaker 4 (46:45):
H I go back at the beginning of the season
from watrou i am. I saw what I saw in
Justin Fields, and it bore fruit. Does he have speed?
Does he have the speed to kill you? And his
speed absolutely, no doubt out about it. Can he read
a defense? No, no, he cannot. Secondly, he locks on

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his primary receiver and does not unlock from him.

Speaker 2 (47:11):
That makes a defensive.

Speaker 4 (47:12):
Backs job so much easier when he knows that Justin
Fields is looking at whoever George Pickens, guess what he's
going to Pickens. He can't read a defense. He locks
on his primary receiver. His balls, in my opinion, are
fifty to fifty. When he throws a great spiral, it's

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there and it's on.

Speaker 5 (47:34):
Very strong arm for sure.

Speaker 2 (47:36):
When it's not, it's a duck.

Speaker 4 (47:38):
So you take those three variables, fifty to fifty balls,
not being able to read a defense right. This is
why you see him constantly three two one gotta run
because it's too overwhelming for him. Justin fields should be
moved to wide receiver in this league.

Speaker 2 (48:00):
Here, he's played back up somewhere.

Speaker 4 (48:03):
He's not a starting quarterback unless it's still possible, in
my opinion, to.

Speaker 2 (48:07):
Get him a quarterback coach and teach the kid for.

Speaker 5 (48:11):
Whatever viewers are going to do, are going to be
able to do that, that's my opinion.

Speaker 2 (48:15):
That's my opinion.

Speaker 4 (48:16):
My opinion on Russell is this, you have two point
six seconds basically to get rid.

Speaker 2 (48:23):
Of that ball's man and I don't you know? And
that leads into the.

Speaker 4 (48:28):
Conundrum, is it personnel? Is it Arthur Smith's offense that's
not working? Is it Russ's? Look, he's still a great athlete.
What the hell went wrong? What the hell went wrong?

Speaker 2 (48:44):
Why is he holding on the ball?

Speaker 4 (48:46):
He and he's been around the league so long he
knows that I have two point six seconds to get this.

Speaker 2 (48:52):
Out of here.

Speaker 4 (48:53):
He's always been like that, Yeah, well, there comes a
time where you can't throw a jab a left and
that left just hangs out.

Speaker 7 (49:01):
There and like, I can't throw the take outside of
the pocket like he used to, and that was that
was the knock on him in Denver was when when
they have the too high safety.

Speaker 5 (49:10):
We see this now, right, he can't see the middle
of the field.

Speaker 7 (49:13):
Because he's smaller, and he holds onto the ball. He's
not sure and then now what man, But in Seattle
is he ran outside the pocket, made those plays. We
know how good of a football he throws.

Speaker 4 (49:21):
We know that.

Speaker 5 (49:23):
Is a great ball, but he can't get outside that
pocket as much as he used to.

Speaker 7 (49:29):
And he still can, but lately you've seen like he
just like these teams are surrounding him and they're sacking
him much more.

Speaker 5 (49:35):
I think a lot of what's happened I think I
think the Chiefs game he was terrible.

Speaker 7 (49:40):
I think the Eagles and Ravens game he was pretty good,
but he made the thing is like he's we've we've
known Russell like he's not going to make too many mistakes,
but that hasn't been the case lately. I think the
the Angles game, I can't blame them too much because
they didn't let him do anything until the fourth quarter
because they were just running the ball and he had
some mishaps there two minutes. And again he saw in

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the Bengals game when they have two high safeties there
he's missing like farm.

Speaker 5 (50:05):
Roof was open over the middle of field. He's missing it.

Speaker 2 (50:08):
He's missing it.

Speaker 5 (50:08):
But we've seen him, we've seen him hit it.

Speaker 7 (50:11):
Though, when when when the plays are designed correctly and
and you know he's in a rhythm, we've seen him
do it. They refuse to get him into a rhythm
last game. Now here's my stance on the quarterback situation Russ.

Speaker 5 (50:24):
I like Russ.

Speaker 7 (50:25):
I've been a Ross's advocate. I bought his jersey. He's
a great team guy.

Speaker 2 (50:30):
Tried to kiss him when we went to the Charlie
Batch I did. It was embarrassing, lunch Downam came away
into the law right from.

Speaker 4 (50:44):
I do.

Speaker 2 (50:45):
I love Russ, but but you're doing working here. I
don't care.

Speaker 5 (50:49):
So it was very sad. So so it was very embarrassing.

Speaker 7 (50:55):
So but you didn't have to post bail for I
think if you you signed Russ for another two years,
right or three years or whatever, you have to pay
him a decent amount of money.

Speaker 5 (51:04):
And that's that that that lowers hold on.

Speaker 2 (51:07):
Start with the money. Though, the money he's on Dak
Prescott's making fifty who else is making fifty?

Speaker 5 (51:12):
Do you make all of that much?

Speaker 2 (51:14):
That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (51:15):
Yeah, he's not.

Speaker 4 (51:16):
You got a bunch of the kid Kyler Murray out
there has not lived up to his potential out in
the Arizona Cardinals.

Speaker 2 (51:22):
Lant, he's at fifty million. You're going to have Russ
ask you for how much? I think thirty two thirty
five million?

Speaker 5 (51:30):
Right, that's right, l And he ain't worth it? No,
I don't because here's the thing, with his athleticism declining.

Speaker 2 (51:39):
I don't. I think he may have two more years
of good.

Speaker 5 (51:41):
Ball up with him after that. I don't know, but
maybe two years. I'm not even sure if it's going to.

Speaker 2 (51:45):
Be well, if they keep Arthur Smith, right, then you've
got Dayjovu all over again. So like that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 7 (51:50):
If they bring back Russ for the next two years
or you know, for next year, whatever, Right, he's going
to probably win you unine to ten games with his
coaching staff, and it's going to be a repeat of
what we had.

Speaker 2 (52:02):
Right, Have you bring in justin you mean for the
last eighteen years, Like it's going to right

Speaker 7 (52:06):
Exactly exactly, so who going into playoffs to get killed
if you bring in Justin