February 8, 2024 • 37 mins
Spencer Graves and Wes Logan talk about bad beats, boat etiquette and kicking off the 2024 season on Logan Martin in Alabama.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Time for Lines and Times and Spencer Graves, my buddy
Wes Logan joins me every single episode. And Man, since
the last time we talked, you've had some things go on.
You finally got your first tournament going for this year,
the NPFL.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Yeah, you like that, trail Man, It went really well.
I was very impressed with them. They ran it great
for the amount of people they have working, which is
not a whole lot. I think they have like ten
or twelve guys and they're running around a lot, but
they make a lot happen with a you know, a
little bit of man power.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
That they have. But it was ran really well.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
I saw you after each day, and every day you
got increasingly chippier and not chippy in a good way.
Speaker 4 (00:41):
Yeah, I'm talking about like you were upset.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Now you're known as Acusa River Guy Logan Martin's on
the Kusa River. Do you have this feeling that you
have to perform even more because people know you're Acusa
River Guy?
Speaker 3 (00:56):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Yeah, absolutely, Like and I'm not gonna say I put
a lot of pressure on myself because there was just
another tournament, but I felt like I was expected to
do a lot better than I did.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Because you're considered one of the hammers when you're out there,
not only just being a pro anyway, being a bass
master elite, and then you're going into the MPFL, you're
still a bass master guy. So there's guys that you know,
they beat you in a tournament, they're gonna go home, Billy.
Speaker 4 (01:20):
Yeah, place better and less.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Yeah. Absolutely, Like even like the local tournaments we fished
around here where ninety percent of the dudes beat my butt.
Every time I go out there, They're still like I
beat a bass master pro, and I'm like, what I mean, dude,
I still got to go out there and catch them.
Like obviously it helps that I kind of know where
they've lived before, but I mean, just like this past week,
when when you have a drastic weather change and you
don't catch up with them or get a clue or two,
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you kind of get left behind. And I mean, that's
that's pretty much what happened.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Well, we can finally talk about it, because last time
we talked, I couldn't really tell you much about my
Logan Martin tournament because you had this tournament coming up.
Anything shock you about that tournament?
Speaker 2 (01:56):
Uh, they moved a lot faster than I than I
thought they would. We had a big warming trend. It
was real cold, you know, obviously we had a bad
cold down here. We had a lot of rain after that,
a warm rain, which you know, it warmed the water
back up a little bit, but it just got those fish.
I thought, looking back at practice, they were in their
normal wintertime pattern on Logan Martin right, which I mean
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it's you know, cranking rog you know, fishing, you know,
right inside the pockets for the large mouth stuff like that.
And then like the first day of practice, it kind
of got up warmer and the water warmed up a
little bit, and throughout practice it kind of stayed stable,
and then all of a sudden we had an off
day Wednesday, and then Thursday it got into like seventy
and Friday it got up to seventy and it's like
they just started. I could see it, I could feel
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it happening. They were just the bites I was getting
was just spreading out like they were going away, which
I knew the fish were leaving, and I just couldn't
make myself. I tried to go fish real shell and
fish for the large mouth, which is how a lot
of guys caught them. On the third day. I just
never got that clue to kind of figure out where
they had went to or if I was in the
right section of the to be doing that.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
You know what's weird to me is I looked at
the top ten and it seemed like a lot of
the guys in the top ten just barely kept their
position or fell off a little bit. But then you
had guys kind of in the middle of the pack,
and they had big bags on the last day in
order to make some big jumps. To me, the guy
that finished third, Jesse Millsaps, dude's a stud fish.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
Oh yeah, frasing Georgia, Right, yeah, he's.
Speaker 4 (03:23):
A stud fisherman.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
He had a big bag on day three to put
himself into that position.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
I will say one thing that was kind of in
the back of my mind with this MPFL format for
people that don't know, everybody fishes all three days. Okay,
so cut, there's no cut. So what's a little bit
different than that is on the Elite series, if I
make the day three cut, I'm getting paid regardless. Like
if I go out there in zero, the worst I
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can fall to is fiftieth and I'm still gonna get ten.
Grand Well, okay, So going in the second or going
in the third day, I was in twelve. Man, if
I zero, I could fall out of a check like quickly,
like very fast.
Speaker 4 (04:03):
You so take that pressure. No, No, I.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
Didn't like that. Here's why. And it's not that I
don't like it.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
I didn't really care for it in that situation because
I couldn't go do.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
What I thought I had to do to win the tournament.
Does that make sense? Okay?
Speaker 2 (04:17):
So I had like a six I had Will had
like a seven pound lead over what I had or
a six something, So I knew I would need twenty
to twenty two to win even if he if he
caught him decent again, if I caught that, I would
have a shot, which is possible on logan Martin, I've
done it before. But you take the risk of going
to try to catch twenty pounds, you may not get
a bite. So are you gonna go throw away eight
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thousand dollars to try and win? Are you gonna try
and catch ten to twelve again and hold your spot?
Speaker 4 (04:46):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (04:46):
But that that then takes you out of the world
of the west logan that I know, which is highly competitive.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
Oh no, don't trust me.
Speaker 4 (04:53):
I went get in the financial game.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
Trust me.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
I went to win the tournament for about four hours
and I looked down and I like, it's eleven thirty
and I got one bass.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
Like how big was that?
Speaker 2 (05:03):
It was a two pounder. I caught a two pounder
on my third cast. I'm like, it's gonna be all right,
And then like, so.
Speaker 4 (05:07):
You need another eighteen to twenty pounds.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
Yeah, like five minutes.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
But it was like good and bad because I thought
the morning was gonna start all right. I caught one,
I lost a three pounder, I lost another two and
a half and then it just died. So I kind
of left the spotted bass do I went around the
largs and my stuff for like three hours and never
had a bite. And I'm like, if I mess around here,
I'm gonna end up not even get a check out
of it.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Then do you have to kind of push yourself to
get out of the mindset of worrying about the money
and just stay competitive, or do you always have a
mindset in the tournament of hey, as long as I
place here, I think I'm all right. Yeah, I mean
it because it's a marathon, not a sprint.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
I guess yeah, and I never and man, I'll be honest,
never in praice that I thought I could go catch
eighteen to twenty Like, I never saw it. I thought
I could catch thirteen to fifteen, sixteen seventeen if I
got lucky with a big bite. But I just knew
I wasn't fishing around those kind of fish and I
would have to go do something to try and catch
a big bag. But again, man, it's hard to say,
like in the moment, like, yeah, obviously you want to
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win every tournament, but when you've got that eight grand
in your pocket, like if you just catch eight to
ten pounds, again, it's hard not to just go try
and do that. Once you get to that point in
the day where you're like, it's probably I've not figured
out the winning deal.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
I need to go seal, which what I can.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
So my tournament on Logan Martin that I had two
weeks before you guys did, And then believe me, in
that two weeks, man, the weather was absolutely crazy. You
went freezing temperatures to damn near not even needing to
wear a hoodie when you go out and fish. So
when I fish my tournament, you know you talk about
trying to find the right deal, and you could find
thirteen to fifteen pounds.
Speaker 4 (06:40):
I was happy running up and down the lake.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
I mean I probably went to twelve fifteen different places
just trying to scratch through in order to get fourteen pounds.
Speaker 4 (06:49):
We end up winning the tournament.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
But is that the type of lake that you have
to really run a lot of things? Because I heard
some guys say they ran out of spots. I'm not
spotted Bada ran out of places?
Speaker 3 (07:01):
Yeash, I didn't.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
I mean, luckily with me living here, I didn't run
out of places to throw at like I felt like
everywhere I stopped, you know, has had bass on it before,
especially this time of year. But dude, I bet I
hit fifty to sixty places a day, like I would stand.
Speaker 4 (07:16):
Up for You were running quite a bit. I thought
I was running.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
I was moving a lot, man. I ran.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
I would run like ten miles this way, run back
five miles this way, run back ten miles the other way,
just because I know how this river system or you know,
obviously I didn't do great, but I know that sometimes
this whole river system can be timing. You can be
fishing the right stretch at the wrong time, and you
can even pull in after somebody five minutes later and
catch them when they didn't get a bite.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Well, so that's what happened in our tournament. And I
didn't have to get to share this with you because
of the whole you know, trading information thing.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
But there was a you know, regular boat that just
they were out of fun fishing.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
They were fishing this point and I was in the
pocket kind of next to them, and I knew I
wanted to be on that point, but I wanted to
give courtesy, so they slid off of that point. Well,
me and my teammate went over and we caught three
fish just boom boom, boom, and they didn't have a bite.
Speaker 4 (08:07):
I mean, they didn't have anything come in the boat.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
So can you very well could be doing something different,
have a different color crank bait, you know, be dragging
something like just that. There's there's only so many places
on this river system that is really good like that
they get on and sometimes it's you coming from a
different angle, you know, the weather change like during the
day something and it just I mean that's kind of
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how that's how I've grown up fishing this place and
like I said, I just didn't run into them. But
I saw multiple guys fishing the exact same stretches and
there would only be one or two of the guys
that are catching them every day, Like it's just a
weird deal.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
I had to try to get myself in a positive
attitude before my tournament because I was already in a
bad mood from the boat ramp. I pulled in and
I started backing my boat down. And when I'm back
and this is kind of a steep ramp, it's not like,
you know, really easy to just slide in. But I
don't think it really matters. But this one dude that
was waiting at the boat ramp, he was already backed in.
Whoever was driving the truck had their lights on high,
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and I'm sitting there like waving my hand trying to
get them to turn them off because you can't.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
See, you're blind, you ain't got nothing.
Speaker 4 (09:12):
And there's a.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
Big thing about boat ramp Bettiquet, like there's certain things
you don't do, and a lot of people don't realize
the pleasure boaters could be bad too.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
During the summer. There's some of the words when they're.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
Win boats in or they're pontoon boats in like you
have to turn your headlights off because it blocks and
blinds somebody.
Speaker 4 (09:27):
Through their side mirror.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
Absolutely, So I was already in a bad mood, you know,
kind of going into it, but it wasn't enough to
like tick me off.
Speaker 4 (09:35):
I was just like, man, I feel inconvenient.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
Yeah, yeah, that's for sure. And as far as the
etiquette goes, the I wish some and sometimes it doesn't matter.
But like like you're talking about the headlights, like just
be aware of your surroundings, Like you're not the only
one at the boat ramp most of the time, especially
you know in the mornings or you know, when we're
coming in from way in.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
Stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
And the pleasure boaters probably don't really understand what's going
on most of the time, like there out and left field,
because they're the ones, like with the pontoon boat that
pull up and block the ramp sideways and get out
and put their beer in the thing.
Speaker 4 (10:07):
And what's that Instagram thing it's qualified captain.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (10:11):
Watch like all these people and just how little they
know about boats and loading boats and unloading me.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
And I'm not and I'm not not like I don't
want to talk about about them because maybe it's their
first time out there, or they just got a new
boat and they're wanting to go out. Like I'm not
knocking anybody, but just be aware of your surrounding. It's like,
don't pull halfway down the ramp when there's a line
and then unstrap all your stuff, Like, do it before
you get there, just to you know, keep everybody, you know,
keep the line moving.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
I actually thought that I was a jerk the other
day because I already a jerk, thanks appreciation. I already
had my stuff kind of undone, and there was a
guy waiting at the gas pump, and I just was like, all, well,
he's obviously getting gas. So I just started driving and
there was an open slip to back down, so I
just pull in and start backing my boat down. All
of a sudden, they start hearing this yelling. So I
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rolled my window down to guys like.
Speaker 4 (10:56):
You gonna cut me in line? And I was like,
what line are you talking about? It you were at
the gas pump. He was like, I was waiting on
this dude to leave.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
There was an open spot, nobody was even there, Like,
why didn't you just slide in. At one point, I
was like, man, if you want it to tell yea,
I'll move if you know right now that I'm already
halfway down this ramp.
Speaker 4 (11:15):
If I start moving, it's going to be more of
a cluster. So that's let me get out of want
to leave.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
Yeah, And that guy left and that guy been. Then
he just stared me down the rest of the time.
And I'm I'm convinced it's because I have a rap boat.
If I didn't have a rap boat, I don't think I.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
Can promise you you get treated different with a rap boat.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Hey, I will say I want to give a shout
out to the whoever whoever was fishing Logan Martin Saturday.
There was a bunch of club tournaments, but it like
I never had any problems, Like I thought we were
going to have some runnings just.
Speaker 4 (11:45):
Because you had you had your trail, which was one
hundred and.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
Twenty six, and I would I know of three tournaments
that were not not big tournaments, but you know, like
club tournaments.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
Twenty five boats.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
Yeah, that adds up on it exactly, That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
So it got a little crowded, but like, man, everybody
was courteous, Like everything went smooth, and I've seen it
go completely the opposite. So shout out to everybody, even
our guys in the tournament, like there was never any
issues that I ran into, Like everybody was courteous, Like
it was actually an enjoyable week of fish.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
When we were talking about the boating etiquette, especially at
the ramps, I could tell you one moment where I
thought I was doing everything right now almost screwed it
up really bad.
Speaker 4 (12:24):
This was the bass Master Classic last year.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
I was traveling with Buddy Gross and you know, I
was backing him into the water, and I knew that
I needed to make sure that I had his lights off.
So I turned his lights off and he gets a
phone call about twenty minutes into his day from the
tournament director and they said, hey, Buddy, your lights are
still on.
Speaker 4 (12:49):
I switched it to lights.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
Off, but I didn't realize that you had to go
back to the auto setting when you turn the truck off,
and it would turn all the lights trot.
Speaker 4 (12:59):
Oh dude.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
He he was fixing to cuss me and light me
up after and I felt I felt about that bit.
Speaker 4 (13:07):
Yeah, right, So I got word that this was going on.
I was like, dude, I'm so sorry.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
He was like, hey man, it's not that big of
a He reacted exactly how Buddy Gross could react. I
thought for sure that I was going to be like
ripped apart. Oh yeah, and he was just like, not
a big deal. I just want to make sure that
nothing happened to my my truck. I didn't want my
batteries to die. Well, then part of me was like,
well it should have been okay, Like if your batteries
went down in your truck, We're in the middle of
this giant boatyard. I'm pretty sure we can get it
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fired back up. But I did. I felt about that
small And the whole reason that I felt that way
is I thought I was doing the right thing by
keeping my lights off.
Speaker 4 (13:43):
So you know, John Cox came.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
Back down, Swindle can back down. All these guys could
back down the ramp.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
I will. Like the way trucks are nowadays, so it's
hard to like they're all different, like every yeah, there's
like you gotta like stand on one leg and jump
to the left to make the light stay on or
come with just crazy.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
Slick and I were fishing up at Gunnerville and I
was like, hey man, I'll go get your truck. And
I can't remember what kind of truck he's got, but
even his shifter, it's not a shifter and it's not
a turn dial. It was like a shifter, but you
just push it.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
Down and then it activates the click it again and
keep clicking it, moving it and then and.
Speaker 4 (14:17):
Then when you want to hit park, you got to
push the park button. It's not like up for parking.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
And I'm and now I'm like, well, at least it's
not in the middle of the you know, right and
early in the morning where you got to worry about
your lights being on.
Speaker 4 (14:34):
So yeah, some of these trucks it's just not.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
I mean, the technology is like, it's great, but it
does get a little bit like.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
When you handed somebody camera back in the day. It's
like every time somebody hands you the camera, they're like,
you know how to work one of these, It's like,
I'm pretty sure.
Speaker 4 (14:46):
I just point and shoot right like push that. It's
not like that.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
Now with trucks, you got to ask people like you
ever driven a truck like this, It's much different. I've
always found it funny when we give a co angler
an opportunity to back down your truck because you're trying
to protect a boat investment. Yeah, both investments are super expensive.
A truck's what ninety thousand dollars a bass boat? Now crazy?
Speaker 3 (15:11):
I drive my truck all the time, all right, Are
you like me?
Speaker 1 (15:16):
You get your boat on the trailer and then they
just start going to clipping things and like trying to
secure your boat to the trailer.
Speaker 4 (15:22):
Do you let people do it or do.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
You have to be the one that I don't.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
I get real bad, Like I wouldn't say secondhand embarrassment,
but I don't. I hate to tell people to stop
doing something like to help me. Like if they start
doing it, I won't say a word, but I'll go
behind them and check all because I don't want to
be that guy then be like, man, we this is
a jackass. I'm like like I was trying to help
him and he told me not to do it. Like,
so I'll let him do what whatever they want to do,
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and then I'll just, you know, recheck everything.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
I was over at a buddy's place, pel City Electronics,
pel City boat Works, who does a lot of my stuff,
and we were putting on the raptors and you know,
a couple hours of dragon line, cutting holes, putting on
the afters bolt, this bolt that loads some fluid, like
all this stuff. I'm ready to go home. Well it's
getting ready to pour, like we're getting one of those
big Alabama storms.
Speaker 4 (16:10):
So he already had.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
Everything done on the boat. But then I felt I
felt weird. You know, I'm driving down the road and
I'm like, I didn't.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
Did you stop and look at it and check it?
Speaker 4 (16:21):
I stopped middle of the rain. I'm getting dumped on
and just to make sure.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
And I'm like, we never took the boat off the trailer,
but it was when the tongue gets on the hitch
and I wanted to make sure everything was right. Is
the pin in on the breakaway? When I pushed the
latch down? Did I put the actual pin in to
keep it down? Are my are my actual lines that
connect to the bumpy.
Speaker 4 (16:46):
Dude? And I and I rarely ever feel that way.
But I immediately got home and I was like, oh,
thank you.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
If I didn't stop, I would have had I would
have had an aneurism right on the side of the highway.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
Man.
Speaker 4 (17:01):
It was driving me absolutely crazy. All right, Well, it's
good to know that you actually go through the same
things that I, like, I.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
Said, I just don't like to like because people want
to help, like I don't know, it's nice. Yeah, absolutely,
And I don't want to be that guy, but I will,
you know, let me tell you, let me see this though.
Speaker 4 (17:16):
You wait for that person to completely leave and then
you start changing.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
No, no, no, no, no, you gotta be real. What
depends on how much they're talking. But you got to
just kind of like subtly just be talking like, yeah,
I had a good day, and kind of look the
front toe, walk around the back, kind of just like
checking things out. All right, that's hooked all that stuff.
But yeah, and sometimes I just you know, they'll just
walk off, which is fine either way.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
But yeah, then you got to worry about like the
motor totor, right, you and I both run yamahais yeah,
so we've got a motor totor. I like those things
a lot better in the mercuries and without the clips.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
Oh yeah, the one.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
The Yamaha one is great from I think pro rule
makes it is. It's a it's a really good one.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
But like the DD twenty six or whatever that the
guys have to do that and all that kind of
stuff like great product if you have ay, but it's not.
But I started laughing because you know, in different tournaments
where I've had my boat and I've had a co angler,
I've had to ask him like, do you do you
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have a show at the house, like if you dealt
with them?
Speaker 4 (18:16):
Because these are different. This guy was like, where are
your clips? And I was like the RNA clips.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
So there was a guy who was like trying to
set my boat up, clip everything in. I was like, man,
I appreciate it. I waited until he walked off, and
then I went and I mean the tongue wasn't hooked
upright the d the d ring, I wasn't even all
the way up on the actual trailer, and I was.
Speaker 4 (18:37):
Like, oh man.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
Then I got to call a buddy of mine and go, hey,
can you just this down real quick and let me
readjust so I waited for that guy to go before
it because I did. I'm like, you, I don't want
to sit there and go hey, no, I got it.
But I know that deep within me, I'm.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
Like, don't have to laugh this absolutely yeah for sure, Well.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
Listen I know that, uh I know Logan Martin didn't
go the way that you wanted. It could worse, dude,
you had a great finish. It could have went worse.
Speaker 4 (19:05):
To tell you that, you're all. You actually had a
pretty decent week.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
Yeah, it's been out a bad day. Three wasn't good.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
I don't know, it just it started real hot and
then it just went downhill and I don't know. I
kind of got in my head a little bit, which
I've been trying to work on. But that's fine. I mean,
it was a good little warm up for for you know,
the Elite series. We'll be leaving next week. But it
kind of gets you back in that. You know, dude,
you can go fishing so many times, like and try
and put yourself in a tournament situation, and it's still
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it's not the same, like until you're on that crunch time,
like on the clock, like you start making like those
game time decisions, even like a you can I noticed
the difference in like a like a one day tournament,
like just a local turning around here, like yeah, it'd
be really cool if we called them, but we're gonna
go fish how we want to really gonna catch them?
When we aren't Where you get in a multi day,
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like one of the bigger events, you've got to go
figure out how to catch some Like you know.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
What, how cult is that to know that you have
to go out three, maybe even four straight days and
be on a fifteen to twenty pound bag each day.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
It's just the I mean, everybody's job is stressful in
somewhere or another, but the stuff that you don't have
control over it, I think is the most stressful part
to me, Like the unknowns of what's gonna happen. Like like, dude,
I'm sure you have bad stressful days, you know, hosting
the radio show, But about every time you know you're
gonna come through that door, that microphone's gonna turn on
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and you're gonna talk about whatever's happening in the world.
Like you may not know what you're gonna talk about,
but what just just putting it in perspective, what if
when you were leaving your house you didn't know if
your microphone was gonna be here when you got here
to talk on the radio. How am I gonna talk
on the radio? I wanna have my microphone. Well, I'm
sitting here going what if they're not on my starting spot?
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What if they're not on my plan b spot, Like
that microphone doesn't have a mind of it's on that bass.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
Does have You always felt that way though, like even
as a kid before you got into professionals, just went
went fish. Okay, yeah, so why don't we go back
to that? Why can't why can't you try to adjust
your mindset to go I'm just gonna go on fish.
You have all the knowledge, You've got all the tools,
and I mean that's I mean, you're still just trying
to out smart a stupid green fish.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
It is true, It is true. There's I guess it's
hard to do that when there's so much on the line.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
Yeah, but that might be why the line doesn't always
come the way that you wanted to. Probably probably, I
mean you if you actually sat down and threw caution
into the wind and you're like, look, I found him
here in practice, I'm going to go back throw five
casts out there.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
If they're not here, we'll go practice.
Speaker 4 (21:35):
Not here, We're just gonna go practice.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
Like literally that tournament on Logan Martin and look, I'm
not a pro by any stretch, but winning that tournament,
I realized and learned a lot just from that win.
Speaker 4 (21:46):
I learned way more when I lose, which I've been
learning a lot.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
Uh, But went in that tournament, like literally my buddy
called me and said, hey, do you want to go
fish Logan Mark? Yeah, And then we found out there
was a team turnament.
Speaker 3 (21:59):
You got there.
Speaker 4 (22:00):
I was like, let's just jump in.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
You know, it's one hundred and fifty bucks seventy five
to seventy five, let's just say.
Speaker 4 (22:04):
He's like, yeah, let's do it.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
And then we ran around the lake and it was
good because then I got back to the dogs and
had the afternoon and we find out we win. Well. Literally,
he called me the night before when he was getting
ready to leave and I said, I'm gonna throw a
crank bait, a jerk bait, spinner bait, like these are
all the things that I have, and what do we
catch them on?
Speaker 4 (22:22):
Those three things? So we just went out to go fishing.
And I know plenty of guys say, oh, just go fishing.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
Yeah, he can't treat it that way, like there's a
lot of pressure that comes in. But could you, like legitimately,
could you take every tournament you do and go I'm
just gonna go fishing today.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
Oh yeah, I mean I'm sure you could, but I,
like Ken West Logan, the problem.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
I would have with it, Like me personally, I think
if I did do that and it works out, that's awesome, Like, Okay,
this is the you know, this is the cats.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
Now, this is the easiest thing to do. Well.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
If I go do that and it ends up worse
than I thought it could be, then I'm gonna beat myself. Yeah,
you'll blame like, man, you didn't enough effort. You weren't
you weren't focused enough. I think that's kind of like, dude,
sometimes it's just not gonna happen. Like I kind of
had that realization on day three. I'm like, this termament
just wasn't It wasn't meant for me to like win.
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It just I never got on the right deal. And dude,
the crazy thing is, like you hear guys say this,
when it's meant to be, you can't keep it from happening,
and you can't you can't make it happening. So so
like a couple of days ago, the NPFL posts a
video of will fish in one of the days and
he reels his crank bait out of the water and
a three pounder jumps up and eats it as he's
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picking it up.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
Dude.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
When I saw that, I was like, there was nobody
else gonna win that turn like it was his. It
was no doubt he figured out a deal on a
part of the lake not many people were fishing. And
when stuff like that starts happening, like when the water's
fifty degrees and there's bass jumping out of the water,
eat your crank bait. Heck, dude, you can't beat him.
Like it's not gonna happen. So when you say when
it's your day, it's your day, I've had him.
Speaker 4 (23:57):
That was laylake for you and the elites when you
want it now, Yes.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
That that I mean, dude, Like the final day, I
mean you can go back and watch the whole live.
I lost enough fish to win in the first hour
like twice, like they just they either missed my jit
swim gee, they come off coming to the boat, and
I still won, Like I did everything wrong and still
won the tournament. Like you can't keep it from happening.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
Do you have a little bit of pressure in the
back of your brain that says, people won't take me serious.
Speaker 4 (24:27):
Unless I win the lead. That's not on the KUSA No, No,
I don't.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
I've never really thought of that because I mean, I
should have won. I've been leading at Gunnersville, I've been
leading all across.
Speaker 4 (24:38):
Where'd you slip? You had a couple of second place.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
At twice, one time in the fall and one time
in uh the the second place in the in in June.
I think when Kupfall won, I think he beat me
by like eighteen pounds, But dude, it was he had
a twelve pound league win in the final day.
Speaker 4 (24:56):
That was no like it was his tournament talk leads.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
Yeah, what about the Okachobe deal the Open m Scott
Martin a ninety three plus pound bag. Yeah, I mean
you talk about when it's your day, it's your day.
He's a local to Clewiston, lives on Okachobe, knows plenty
about Okachobe. So he puts up a bag like that.
The guys that are in second place, third place, like
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I think Tucker.
Speaker 4 (25:21):
Was one of them that was in the time.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
I think Randall finished third.
Speaker 4 (25:24):
Yeah, you have to be.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
Thinking at that point, You're like, Hey, I'm just gonna
go out and I'm going to try to get second place,
and you to give it. You're trying to find the
guy that you can chip away at.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
Yeah, I mean you go out there like when the lead,
like like with me and Caleb and like with that situation,
you just go out there and just keep fishing like
we've been doing and whatever bites bites.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
I mean you do his best.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
Say you can pressure different because now you you really know,
like I'm not in it for first, I'm in it
for second.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
I think the pressure is different, but I don't think
your intensity needs to change. I mean you need to
go out there and catch the biggest bag you can.
But realistically, he's going to have to have the worst
day of his career to not yeah, to not win.
I mean I had a lead one time in a
BFL regional when I was like eighteen at the Saint John's.
I had an eleven pound lead over second, and I
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still caught thirteen pounds the final day and got beat
by like three ounces. Like the dude in like fifth
called like twenty seven. So like, dude, sometimes it's just
not your day, or you go do everything you can
and somebody else catches them better. That's just I mean,
it wasn't your The good Lord said it wasn't your day,
like you just go. You just got to accept that.
Speaker 4 (26:26):
That's a hard pill to swallow.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
Well, the worst ones.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
I what hates me is when like you have the
opportunity to win and it just doesn't happen, like they
just you either, you know, you lose them. They you know,
something something just happens. Like that's the ones that hurt
the worst. Like you had the opportunity and it just
like sometimes you don't get the opportunity, like it just
doesn't happen.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
I look at some of these tournaments, and I mean,
I like getting in some of these bigger tournaments, you know,
the one hundred and fifty two hundred bone tournaments. But man,
you want to talk about winning a tournament you have
a multi day at two hundred plus boats. Oh yes,
you got to get them like you're dodging bullets left
and right, and for you to be able to come
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in with a giant bag, like I'm happy to just
scratch twelve to fifteen pounds. The guy told me back
in the day, he was like, hey, look, if you
fish just your local pro Joe's type of tournaments and
it might be even a couple of days, but it's
two hundred some boats. He's like, you get twelve pounds
a day, there's a good chance you're going to scratch
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a check.
Speaker 3 (27:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
I feel like that number is probably going up a
little more because of the ford facing stuff.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
But it depends on where your what area of the
country you're fishing into.
Speaker 4 (27:37):
Let's say fifteen pounds, fifteen's.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
Pretty solid anywhere you go.
Speaker 4 (27:41):
So there you go.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
So the idea for a lot of guys if you're
fishing tournaments is you want to go out and you
want to try to catch fifteen pounds. Yes, no matter
what time of year, no matter what lake, no matter
what part of the country, you want fifteen pounds.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
Yeah, Well, fifteen pounds, I mean the average size of
a large mouth basses two and a half to three
and a half pounds. It's like most of the I mean,
you might go to like where we're going at Toledo,
the average may be a little bit bigger, but but like,
fifteen's pretty probably average.
Speaker 4 (28:08):
There is significantly larger Well the haf ones.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
Yeah, I mean, you got you got that to do it.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
And the only time the fifteen is kind of skewed
is up north with the small mouth because they're just
so many of them like fifteen's nothing, we're sixteen and
a half, seventeen's you know, doing good? Yeah, But if
you can just go out there and figure out how
to get a quality like catch quality fish like you're
gonna you're gonna get the better because if you're catching
three pounders, you have the opportunity to catch a seven.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
If you're catching pound and a half ers, probably not
so much.
Speaker 4 (28:36):
Do you have to adjust off of that?
Speaker 1 (28:37):
Like let's say you go out, you make five cash,
you catch five one and a half and lowers. Are
those fish staging just a little higher than the bigger ones,
like they're in the same area?
Speaker 4 (28:48):
Or do big ones not hang out with little ones?
Speaker 2 (28:50):
I mean they'll hang out together. And I'm not like
I'm not a fishball just or expert or anything, but
I sometimes it's more of a bait selection or a
tech in that same area.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
Gotcha.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
I feel like like you may catch him on a
little crank bait, catch you know, eight pounds, and then
somebody comes behind you flipping the jig and gets three
bytes and they weigh twelve pounds, they catch three four pounders.
Where that little fish it gonna bite that, you know,
that big jig and that bigger fish don't want to
chase that little crank bait because he's not gonna get
a lot out of exerting that energy to catch that
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little crank bait. He'd rather eat that big crawfish that
comes beside it.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
Tell you, what's so interesting to me is just in
the conversations that I've had with some guys after tournaments,
Like I learned through a couple things that they said.
I'm like, man, I need to be looking out for
stuff like that bast Master Classic.
Speaker 3 (29:39):
I'm riding with a guy.
Speaker 4 (29:41):
We're driving back.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
He's got like ten minutes to get back, but we're
within seven minutes of the ramp.
Speaker 4 (29:47):
So he's like, Hey, I'm just gonna fish this tree
real quick.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
He pulls over, fishes a tree, catches a good three pounder,
culls one of his fish out, throws in the live well,
takes off, gets the weigh in the ability for him
to go.
Speaker 4 (30:00):
No, I got to pull over and do this real quick.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
Even in some other tournaments with guys that I've talked to,
they're like, hey, I was just driving back to the ramp.
I saw this spot, and one guy explained it to
me where he felt like the heavens opened up sunshine
just on this one piece of you know, cover a
tree stump, lay down a brush, bile of bank rock,
whatever it was. And he's like, and I heard in
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my ears, you know, the angels going huh. He pulled
up on that through five casts, had four three pounders
come out cold out. All his fish goes to the
way in. Yeah, that happened almost every tournament where you're
driving by, you see some of your like my instinct
says I may need to go do this.
Speaker 4 (30:41):
I'm gonna do it.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
I wish it happened to every tournament because a lot
of times when it happens, you do catch some and
it you know, maybe it's a good Lord telling you
to pull over there, But I mean you just got
to listen to you good I mean when you if
you like I sometimes we get so caught up in
the pressure and running practice and run practice we don't
stop it listen like and like good Lord's like, hey
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they're doing this, or the fish are trying to tell
you something, and like you're just so focused on what
you were doing you you spin yourself out and because
they're not doing.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
It no more, I'm such a huge fan of just
listening to yourself in the boat, because you know, I've
had conversations where guys are like, when is it a
good time for me to pull my trolling motor up
and walk away from a spot. And I always tell guys,
not that it matters, you know, in my opinion on it,
but I always say, the minute you think I need
to move, you should move.
Speaker 3 (31:29):
Yep, yep, I agree, I agree the quicker you.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
And and here's the next thing, Like I've heard Paul
Nex say this, and I don't remember exactly how he
said it, but if you think of something more than twice,
do it like that?
Speaker 3 (31:43):
He said.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
That's the way he fishes, Like, like you just said,
if you have that thought to move, if within five
or seven minutes, I think he says, if you think
it again, just pick your stuff up and go somewhere else.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
I mean, he goes back to that whole thing we
were talking about earlier though, Like, if you're just going
to go out and fish, your goal is you just
want to catch fish. Yeah, So if you're saying to yourself, man,
I'm pretty sure they're gonna bite this crank break and
they don't bite the crank bait that you're throwing, and
you go, maybe they just want something that's a little less.
Speaker 4 (32:10):
Like maybe a little more orange. You should make that switch.
Speaker 3 (32:13):
Yeah, because if.
Speaker 4 (32:13):
They weren't biting what you were throwing, what's the what's.
Speaker 3 (32:16):
Gonna hurt something else?
Speaker 2 (32:18):
That's the that's not always like kind of like I'll
trust I'm like, what's it gonna hurt if I went
an hour without a buy Like, it ain't gonna really.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
I'm happy that we got into some bad beats on
this where you talk about how you have a monster
bag and then all of a sudden somebody comes charging behind.
I like the fact that we got into some of
the boat etiquette stuff, because.
Speaker 3 (32:36):
Man, we need to do better with that airbody.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
Like rap etiquette is big, but there's boat etiquette that
we didn't even touch on.
Speaker 3 (32:43):
The on the water stuff, there's a lot of that
what's the.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
What's the one thing that drives somebody crazy on the
water in a tournament that you wish would be eliminated
because you know, I heard a couple of guys say
some things at the NPFL and I was just like,
I don't know if I agree with that, where they
were like, hey, if you know what big tournament's coming
to the year Lake, you need to.
Speaker 4 (33:05):
Stay off of it while the pros are out there.
I don't, and I don't agree with that.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
No, I don't agree with that at all, because I mean,
I've been that kid before where I wanted to be
out on the water and see what all the guys
were doing. Now the problem I have, and I've seen
it happen a lot, not with me personally, it hasn't
ever happened much. You might have a few guys following
you and then you try and roll back to a
place maybe later in the day or the next day,
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and that boat's doing the exact same thing you were
doing on the exact same spot where he wouldn't have
been doing that if you hadn't been sitting there and
he came and watched you. So I think the worst
part is like, like, there's nothing wrong with being on
the water, it's not gonna hurt anything. But actually and
even going fishing, Like if you want to fish when
we're out there, by all means, go fish, But like
if you see the leader going down a rip wrap bank,
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you know, throwing a dirt bait, don't ten minutes after
he leaves, go back behind him and throw a dirt
bait down that same bank.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
Yeah, I think it all comes down to, you know,
respect for the tournament in the angler that's doing it.
Like if I see something, because I'm a lot like you,
If I see somebody who's on a spot, like, I
want to watch and try to learn and pick.
Speaker 4 (34:10):
Up things that I see that you do.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
But I'm certainly not gonna throw my trolling motor down
and just fish right behind you and try to do
the same thing. And in retrospect, if I pull up
to a spot that I fish on my lake all
the time, knowing that tournament guys are really just coming
to that lake for that week, they might not be
there for another five years. If I see that you're
already on it, I'm not going to try to get
within one hundred yards of your boat and try.
Speaker 3 (34:34):
To like push you, you know, push around like.
Speaker 4 (34:37):
I've been pushed.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
I've been tried to be pushed before, and it's not
a it's not a great feeling, I can tell you that.
Speaker 4 (34:42):
But that's the weird part is like, yes, it's water,
nobody owns the water.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
Yeah, but most of the time most of the time
people if they're you know, a much you know, of
established angler at all, they kind of know what they're
doing and you kind of as as us guys, I
feel like sometimes you can kind of tell what you're
dealing with. Like he may have mister Bob out there
that's sixty five retired. He's just fishing down the bank
like more than like do whatever you want to do,
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but I don't care. But when you got a dude
out there that's freaking flying around and you know, like
getting all crowded on people, like he knows what he's doing. Yeah,
and and and it made you. I think sometimes it
may be jealousy. But like my my biggest thing is
I've had one or two run ins, bad ones, not
very many. And my whole argument is that's fine if
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you want to try and mess me up, like that's whatever,
Like that's that's on you, Like you got to live
with that. But how about Monday morning when you get
to your desk job, I'm sitting there and I take
your computer and your keyboard and you let me know
how you how you react to it.
Speaker 3 (35:42):
Like that's that's been my biggest thing, Like this is
my job.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
The situations that I've run into are I think these
are fairly common. I'll be working a bank and all
come around a dock or all come around to a
little point or whatever, and then I noticed there's a
boat on the same exact bank, but they're coming towards me,
So to go kind of into the wind. Yeah, try
to present my bait that way, and they're doing something
a little different. I'm the type of person where if
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I get to them, I'll veer out, let them continue
going down the bank. I'll give up that one dock
or that one little rock or whatever they're trying to
throw at. But then I immediately tuck it right back
in and keep going. Is that something in tournaments that
that pros usually run into her If you see somebody
on a stretch, you go, I'm just staying out of there.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
It just kind of like it depends on what they're doing.
Like I obviously you don't want to just pull in
in front of somebody, but if you which that happens,
Oh yeah, yeah, it happens a lot. And like a
couple of times this past week when you get on
a like I've seen it happen a lot on Doc Lakes,
like because the way you fish them, I mean most
of the time you're you know, tucking in getting around them.
Speaker 3 (36:44):
You won't even see nobody, and.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
You might pull over there and you know, fish one
or two and then y'all bounce out at the same
time you're like, all crap, do my bath Like me,
it happened me and Buddy one day, I think it
was day two. He was he ended up being on
a stretch. Yeah, Like I ran to them, to one
end of them. I was gonna fish them this way,
and I like, I swear I didn't see nobody, and
I've seen him pop out. Well, I just picked my
stuff up and left. I didn't even keep fishing, and
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I just out of by him. I sayd my bad, dude.
I So he's like, that's all good, but like that's
normal stough sure. Like but the you know, passing each
other like we're dude, we're all respectful, Like we're all
out there for the same reason.
Speaker 3 (37:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:17):
I mean I've seen guys blow by somebody and then go,
you know, three docks up and cut that line. And
then at that point you're just like, man, if you
really want it.
Speaker 3 (37:27):
That bad, just take it.
Speaker 4 (37:29):
Go ahead. Yeah, because in twenty minutes the timing might
not be right. He'll just come back, you know, you'll
find him. Then.
Speaker 1 (37:36):
That's West Logan. I'm Spencer Graves, Lines and Tyne. Thanks
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Speaker 4 (37:41):
We appreciate you, guys,
Time for Lines and Times and Spencer Graves, my buddy
Wes Logan joins me every single episode. And Man, since
the last time we talked, you've had some things go on.
You finally got your first tournament going for this year,
the NPFL.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Yeah, you like that, trail Man, It went really well.
I was very impressed with them. They ran it great
for the amount of people they have working, which is
not a whole lot. I think they have like ten
or twelve guys and they're running around a lot, but
they make a lot happen with a you know, a
little bit of man power.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
That they have. But it was ran really well.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
I saw you after each day, and every day you
got increasingly chippier and not chippy in a good way.
Speaker 4 (00:41):
Yeah, I'm talking about like you were upset.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Now you're known as Acusa River Guy Logan Martin's on
the Kusa River. Do you have this feeling that you
have to perform even more because people know you're Acusa
River Guy?
Speaker 3 (00:56):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Yeah, absolutely, Like and I'm not gonna say I put
a lot of pressure on myself because there was just
another tournament, but I felt like I was expected to
do a lot better than I did.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Because you're considered one of the hammers when you're out there,
not only just being a pro anyway, being a bass
master elite, and then you're going into the MPFL, you're
still a bass master guy. So there's guys that you know,
they beat you in a tournament, they're gonna go home, Billy.
Speaker 4 (01:20):
Yeah, place better and less.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Yeah. Absolutely, Like even like the local tournaments we fished
around here where ninety percent of the dudes beat my butt.
Every time I go out there, They're still like I
beat a bass master pro, and I'm like, what I mean, dude,
I still got to go out there and catch them.
Like obviously it helps that I kind of know where
they've lived before, but I mean, just like this past week,
when when you have a drastic weather change and you
don't catch up with them or get a clue or two,
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you kind of get left behind. And I mean, that's
that's pretty much what happened.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Well, we can finally talk about it, because last time
we talked, I couldn't really tell you much about my
Logan Martin tournament because you had this tournament coming up.
Anything shock you about that tournament?
Speaker 2 (01:56):
Uh, they moved a lot faster than I than I
thought they would. We had a big warming trend. It
was real cold, you know, obviously we had a bad
cold down here. We had a lot of rain after that,
a warm rain, which you know, it warmed the water
back up a little bit, but it just got those fish.
I thought, looking back at practice, they were in their
normal wintertime pattern on Logan Martin right, which I mean
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it's you know, cranking rog you know, fishing, you know,
right inside the pockets for the large mouth stuff like that.
And then like the first day of practice, it kind
of got up warmer and the water warmed up a
little bit, and throughout practice it kind of stayed stable,
and then all of a sudden we had an off
day Wednesday, and then Thursday it got into like seventy
and Friday it got up to seventy and it's like
they just started. I could see it, I could feel
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it happening. They were just the bites I was getting
was just spreading out like they were going away, which
I knew the fish were leaving, and I just couldn't
make myself. I tried to go fish real shell and
fish for the large mouth, which is how a lot
of guys caught them. On the third day. I just
never got that clue to kind of figure out where
they had went to or if I was in the
right section of the to be doing that.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
You know what's weird to me is I looked at
the top ten and it seemed like a lot of
the guys in the top ten just barely kept their
position or fell off a little bit. But then you
had guys kind of in the middle of the pack,
and they had big bags on the last day in
order to make some big jumps. To me, the guy
that finished third, Jesse Millsaps, dude's a stud fish.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
Oh yeah, frasing Georgia, Right, yeah, he's.
Speaker 4 (03:23):
A stud fisherman.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
He had a big bag on day three to put
himself into that position.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
I will say one thing that was kind of in
the back of my mind with this MPFL format for
people that don't know, everybody fishes all three days. Okay,
so cut, there's no cut. So what's a little bit
different than that is on the Elite series, if I
make the day three cut, I'm getting paid regardless. Like
if I go out there in zero, the worst I
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can fall to is fiftieth and I'm still gonna get ten.
Grand Well, okay, So going in the second or going
in the third day, I was in twelve. Man, if
I zero, I could fall out of a check like quickly,
like very fast.
Speaker 4 (04:03):
You so take that pressure. No, No, I.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
Didn't like that. Here's why. And it's not that I
don't like it.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
I didn't really care for it in that situation because
I couldn't go do.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
What I thought I had to do to win the tournament.
Does that make sense? Okay?
Speaker 2 (04:17):
So I had like a six I had Will had
like a seven pound lead over what I had or
a six something, So I knew I would need twenty
to twenty two to win even if he if he
caught him decent again, if I caught that, I would
have a shot, which is possible on logan Martin, I've
done it before. But you take the risk of going
to try to catch twenty pounds, you may not get
a bite. So are you gonna go throw away eight
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thousand dollars to try and win? Are you gonna try
and catch ten to twelve again and hold your spot?
Speaker 4 (04:46):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (04:46):
But that that then takes you out of the world
of the west logan that I know, which is highly competitive.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
Oh no, don't trust me.
Speaker 4 (04:53):
I went get in the financial game.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
Trust me.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
I went to win the tournament for about four hours
and I looked down and I like, it's eleven thirty
and I got one bass.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
Like how big was that?
Speaker 2 (05:03):
It was a two pounder. I caught a two pounder
on my third cast. I'm like, it's gonna be all right,
And then like, so.
Speaker 4 (05:07):
You need another eighteen to twenty pounds.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
Yeah, like five minutes.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
But it was like good and bad because I thought
the morning was gonna start all right. I caught one,
I lost a three pounder, I lost another two and
a half and then it just died. So I kind
of left the spotted bass do I went around the
largs and my stuff for like three hours and never
had a bite. And I'm like, if I mess around here,
I'm gonna end up not even get a check out
of it.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Then do you have to kind of push yourself to
get out of the mindset of worrying about the money
and just stay competitive, or do you always have a
mindset in the tournament of hey, as long as I
place here, I think I'm all right. Yeah, I mean
it because it's a marathon, not a sprint.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
I guess yeah, and I never and man, I'll be honest,
never in praice that I thought I could go catch
eighteen to twenty Like, I never saw it. I thought
I could catch thirteen to fifteen, sixteen seventeen if I
got lucky with a big bite. But I just knew
I wasn't fishing around those kind of fish and I
would have to go do something to try and catch
a big bag. But again, man, it's hard to say,
like in the moment, like, yeah, obviously you want to
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win every tournament, but when you've got that eight grand
in your pocket, like if you just catch eight to
ten pounds, again, it's hard not to just go try
and do that. Once you get to that point in
the day where you're like, it's probably I've not figured
out the winning deal.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
I need to go seal, which what I can.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
So my tournament on Logan Martin that I had two
weeks before you guys did, And then believe me, in
that two weeks, man, the weather was absolutely crazy. You
went freezing temperatures to damn near not even needing to
wear a hoodie when you go out and fish. So
when I fish my tournament, you know you talk about
trying to find the right deal, and you could find
thirteen to fifteen pounds.
Speaker 4 (06:40):
I was happy running up and down the lake.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
I mean I probably went to twelve fifteen different places
just trying to scratch through in order to get fourteen pounds.
Speaker 4 (06:49):
We end up winning the tournament.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
But is that the type of lake that you have
to really run a lot of things? Because I heard
some guys say they ran out of spots. I'm not
spotted Bada ran out of places?
Speaker 3 (07:01):
Yeash, I didn't.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
I mean, luckily with me living here, I didn't run
out of places to throw at like I felt like
everywhere I stopped, you know, has had bass on it before,
especially this time of year. But dude, I bet I
hit fifty to sixty places a day, like I would stand.
Speaker 4 (07:16):
Up for You were running quite a bit. I thought
I was running.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
I was moving a lot, man. I ran.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
I would run like ten miles this way, run back
five miles this way, run back ten miles the other way,
just because I know how this river system or you know,
obviously I didn't do great, but I know that sometimes
this whole river system can be timing. You can be
fishing the right stretch at the wrong time, and you
can even pull in after somebody five minutes later and
catch them when they didn't get a bite.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Well, so that's what happened in our tournament. And I
didn't have to get to share this with you because
of the whole you know, trading information thing.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
But there was a you know, regular boat that just
they were out of fun fishing.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
They were fishing this point and I was in the
pocket kind of next to them, and I knew I
wanted to be on that point, but I wanted to
give courtesy, so they slid off of that point. Well,
me and my teammate went over and we caught three
fish just boom boom, boom, and they didn't have a bite.
Speaker 4 (08:07):
I mean, they didn't have anything come in the boat.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
So can you very well could be doing something different,
have a different color crank bait, you know, be dragging
something like just that. There's there's only so many places
on this river system that is really good like that
they get on and sometimes it's you coming from a
different angle, you know, the weather change like during the
day something and it just I mean that's kind of
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how that's how I've grown up fishing this place and
like I said, I just didn't run into them. But
I saw multiple guys fishing the exact same stretches and
there would only be one or two of the guys
that are catching them every day, Like it's just a
weird deal.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
I had to try to get myself in a positive
attitude before my tournament because I was already in a
bad mood from the boat ramp. I pulled in and
I started backing my boat down. And when I'm back
and this is kind of a steep ramp, it's not like,
you know, really easy to just slide in. But I
don't think it really matters. But this one dude that
was waiting at the boat ramp, he was already backed in.
Whoever was driving the truck had their lights on high,
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and I'm sitting there like waving my hand trying to
get them to turn them off because you can't.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
See, you're blind, you ain't got nothing.
Speaker 4 (09:12):
And there's a.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
Big thing about boat ramp Bettiquet, like there's certain things
you don't do, and a lot of people don't realize
the pleasure boaters could be bad too.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
During the summer. There's some of the words when they're.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
Win boats in or they're pontoon boats in like you
have to turn your headlights off because it blocks and
blinds somebody.
Speaker 4 (09:27):
Through their side mirror.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
Absolutely, So I was already in a bad mood, you know,
kind of going into it, but it wasn't enough to
like tick me off.
Speaker 4 (09:35):
I was just like, man, I feel inconvenient.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
Yeah, yeah, that's for sure. And as far as the
etiquette goes, the I wish some and sometimes it doesn't matter.
But like like you're talking about the headlights, like just
be aware of your surroundings, Like you're not the only
one at the boat ramp most of the time, especially
you know in the mornings or you know, when we're
coming in from way in.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
Stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
And the pleasure boaters probably don't really understand what's going
on most of the time, like there out and left field,
because they're the ones, like with the pontoon boat that
pull up and block the ramp sideways and get out
and put their beer in the thing.
Speaker 4 (10:07):
And what's that Instagram thing it's qualified captain.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (10:11):
Watch like all these people and just how little they
know about boats and loading boats and unloading me.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
And I'm not and I'm not not like I don't
want to talk about about them because maybe it's their
first time out there, or they just got a new
boat and they're wanting to go out. Like I'm not
knocking anybody, but just be aware of your surrounding. It's like,
don't pull halfway down the ramp when there's a line
and then unstrap all your stuff, Like, do it before
you get there, just to you know, keep everybody, you know,
keep the line moving.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
I actually thought that I was a jerk the other
day because I already a jerk, thanks appreciation. I already
had my stuff kind of undone, and there was a
guy waiting at the gas pump, and I just was like, all, well,
he's obviously getting gas. So I just started driving and
there was an open slip to back down, so I
just pull in and start backing my boat down. All
of a sudden, they start hearing this yelling. So I
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rolled my window down to guys like.
Speaker 4 (10:56):
You gonna cut me in line? And I was like,
what line are you talking about? It you were at
the gas pump. He was like, I was waiting on
this dude to leave.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
There was an open spot, nobody was even there, Like,
why didn't you just slide in. At one point, I
was like, man, if you want it to tell yea,
I'll move if you know right now that I'm already
halfway down this ramp.
Speaker 4 (11:15):
If I start moving, it's going to be more of
a cluster. So that's let me get out of want
to leave.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
Yeah, And that guy left and that guy been. Then
he just stared me down the rest of the time.
And I'm I'm convinced it's because I have a rap boat.
If I didn't have a rap boat, I don't think I.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
Can promise you you get treated different with a rap boat.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Hey, I will say I want to give a shout
out to the whoever whoever was fishing Logan Martin Saturday.
There was a bunch of club tournaments, but it like
I never had any problems, Like I thought we were
going to have some runnings just.
Speaker 4 (11:45):
Because you had you had your trail, which was one
hundred and.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
Twenty six, and I would I know of three tournaments
that were not not big tournaments, but you know, like
club tournaments.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
Twenty five boats.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
Yeah, that adds up on it exactly, That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
So it got a little crowded, but like, man, everybody
was courteous, Like everything went smooth, and I've seen it
go completely the opposite. So shout out to everybody, even
our guys in the tournament, like there was never any
issues that I ran into, Like everybody was courteous, Like
it was actually an enjoyable week of fish.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
When we were talking about the boating etiquette, especially at
the ramps, I could tell you one moment where I
thought I was doing everything right now almost screwed it
up really bad.
Speaker 4 (12:24):
This was the bass Master Classic last year.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
I was traveling with Buddy Gross and you know, I
was backing him into the water, and I knew that
I needed to make sure that I had his lights off.
So I turned his lights off and he gets a
phone call about twenty minutes into his day from the
tournament director and they said, hey, Buddy, your lights are
still on.
Speaker 4 (12:49):
I switched it to lights.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
Off, but I didn't realize that you had to go
back to the auto setting when you turn the truck off,
and it would turn all the lights trot.
Speaker 4 (12:59):
Oh dude.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
He he was fixing to cuss me and light me
up after and I felt I felt about that bit.
Speaker 4 (13:07):
Yeah, right, So I got word that this was going on.
I was like, dude, I'm so sorry.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
He was like, hey man, it's not that big of
a He reacted exactly how Buddy Gross could react. I
thought for sure that I was going to be like
ripped apart. Oh yeah, and he was just like, not
a big deal. I just want to make sure that
nothing happened to my my truck. I didn't want my
batteries to die. Well, then part of me was like,
well it should have been okay, Like if your batteries
went down in your truck, We're in the middle of
this giant boatyard. I'm pretty sure we can get it
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fired back up. But I did. I felt about that
small And the whole reason that I felt that way
is I thought I was doing the right thing by
keeping my lights off.
Speaker 4 (13:43):
So you know, John Cox came.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
Back down, Swindle can back down. All these guys could
back down the ramp.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
I will. Like the way trucks are nowadays, so it's
hard to like they're all different, like every yeah, there's
like you gotta like stand on one leg and jump
to the left to make the light stay on or
come with just crazy.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
Slick and I were fishing up at Gunnerville and I
was like, hey man, I'll go get your truck. And
I can't remember what kind of truck he's got, but
even his shifter, it's not a shifter and it's not
a turn dial. It was like a shifter, but you
just push it.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
Down and then it activates the click it again and
keep clicking it, moving it and then and.
Speaker 4 (14:17):
Then when you want to hit park, you got to
push the park button. It's not like up for parking.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
And I'm and now I'm like, well, at least it's
not in the middle of the you know, right and
early in the morning where you got to worry about
your lights being on.
Speaker 4 (14:34):
So yeah, some of these trucks it's just not.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
I mean, the technology is like, it's great, but it
does get a little bit like.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
When you handed somebody camera back in the day. It's
like every time somebody hands you the camera, they're like,
you know how to work one of these, It's like,
I'm pretty sure.
Speaker 4 (14:46):
I just point and shoot right like push that. It's
not like that.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
Now with trucks, you got to ask people like you
ever driven a truck like this, It's much different. I've
always found it funny when we give a co angler
an opportunity to back down your truck because you're trying
to protect a boat investment. Yeah, both investments are super expensive.
A truck's what ninety thousand dollars a bass boat? Now crazy?
Speaker 3 (15:11):
I drive my truck all the time, all right, Are
you like me?
Speaker 1 (15:16):
You get your boat on the trailer and then they
just start going to clipping things and like trying to
secure your boat to the trailer.
Speaker 4 (15:22):
Do you let people do it or do.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
You have to be the one that I don't.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
I get real bad, Like I wouldn't say secondhand embarrassment,
but I don't. I hate to tell people to stop
doing something like to help me. Like if they start
doing it, I won't say a word, but I'll go
behind them and check all because I don't want to
be that guy then be like, man, we this is
a jackass. I'm like like I was trying to help
him and he told me not to do it. Like,
so I'll let him do what whatever they want to do,
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and then I'll just, you know, recheck everything.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
I was over at a buddy's place, pel City Electronics,
pel City boat Works, who does a lot of my stuff,
and we were putting on the raptors and you know,
a couple hours of dragon line, cutting holes, putting on
the afters bolt, this bolt that loads some fluid, like
all this stuff. I'm ready to go home. Well it's
getting ready to pour, like we're getting one of those
big Alabama storms.
Speaker 4 (16:10):
So he already had.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
Everything done on the boat. But then I felt I
felt weird. You know, I'm driving down the road and
I'm like, I didn't.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
Did you stop and look at it and check it?
Speaker 4 (16:21):
I stopped middle of the rain. I'm getting dumped on
and just to make sure.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
And I'm like, we never took the boat off the trailer,
but it was when the tongue gets on the hitch
and I wanted to make sure everything was right. Is
the pin in on the breakaway? When I pushed the
latch down? Did I put the actual pin in to
keep it down? Are my are my actual lines that
connect to the bumpy.
Speaker 4 (16:46):
Dude? And I and I rarely ever feel that way.
But I immediately got home and I was like, oh,
thank you.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
If I didn't stop, I would have had I would
have had an aneurism right on the side of the highway.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
Man.
Speaker 4 (17:01):
It was driving me absolutely crazy. All right, Well, it's
good to know that you actually go through the same
things that I, like, I.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
Said, I just don't like to like because people want
to help, like I don't know, it's nice. Yeah, absolutely,
And I don't want to be that guy, but I will,
you know, let me tell you, let me see this though.
Speaker 4 (17:16):
You wait for that person to completely leave and then
you start changing.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
No, no, no, no, no, you gotta be real. What
depends on how much they're talking. But you got to
just kind of like subtly just be talking like, yeah,
I had a good day, and kind of look the
front toe, walk around the back, kind of just like
checking things out. All right, that's hooked all that stuff.
But yeah, and sometimes I just you know, they'll just
walk off, which is fine either way.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
But yeah, then you got to worry about like the
motor totor, right, you and I both run yamahais yeah,
so we've got a motor totor. I like those things
a lot better in the mercuries and without the clips.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
Oh yeah, the one.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
The Yamaha one is great from I think pro rule
makes it is. It's a it's a really good one.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
But like the DD twenty six or whatever that the
guys have to do that and all that kind of
stuff like great product if you have ay, but it's not.
But I started laughing because you know, in different tournaments
where I've had my boat and I've had a co angler,
I've had to ask him like, do you do you
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have a show at the house, like if you dealt
with them?
Speaker 4 (18:16):
Because these are different. This guy was like, where are
your clips? And I was like the RNA clips.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
So there was a guy who was like trying to
set my boat up, clip everything in. I was like, man,
I appreciate it. I waited until he walked off, and
then I went and I mean the tongue wasn't hooked
upright the d the d ring, I wasn't even all
the way up on the actual trailer, and I was.
Speaker 4 (18:37):
Like, oh man.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
Then I got to call a buddy of mine and go, hey,
can you just this down real quick and let me
readjust so I waited for that guy to go before
it because I did. I'm like, you, I don't want
to sit there and go hey, no, I got it.
But I know that deep within me, I'm.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
Like, don't have to laugh this absolutely yeah for sure, Well.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
Listen I know that, uh I know Logan Martin didn't
go the way that you wanted. It could worse, dude,
you had a great finish. It could have went worse.
Speaker 4 (19:05):
To tell you that, you're all. You actually had a
pretty decent week.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
Yeah, it's been out a bad day. Three wasn't good.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
I don't know, it just it started real hot and
then it just went downhill and I don't know. I
kind of got in my head a little bit, which
I've been trying to work on. But that's fine. I mean,
it was a good little warm up for for you know,
the Elite series. We'll be leaving next week. But it
kind of gets you back in that. You know, dude,
you can go fishing so many times, like and try
and put yourself in a tournament situation, and it's still
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it's not the same, like until you're on that crunch time,
like on the clock, like you start making like those
game time decisions, even like a you can I noticed
the difference in like a like a one day tournament,
like just a local turning around here, like yeah, it'd
be really cool if we called them, but we're gonna
go fish how we want to really gonna catch them?
When we aren't Where you get in a multi day,
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like one of the bigger events, you've got to go
figure out how to catch some Like you know.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
What, how cult is that to know that you have
to go out three, maybe even four straight days and
be on a fifteen to twenty pound bag each day.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
It's just the I mean, everybody's job is stressful in
somewhere or another, but the stuff that you don't have
control over it, I think is the most stressful part
to me, Like the unknowns of what's gonna happen. Like like, dude,
I'm sure you have bad stressful days, you know, hosting
the radio show, But about every time you know you're
gonna come through that door, that microphone's gonna turn on
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and you're gonna talk about whatever's happening in the world.
Like you may not know what you're gonna talk about,
but what just just putting it in perspective, what if
when you were leaving your house you didn't know if
your microphone was gonna be here when you got here
to talk on the radio. How am I gonna talk
on the radio? I wanna have my microphone. Well, I'm
sitting here going what if they're not on my starting spot?
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What if they're not on my plan b spot, Like
that microphone doesn't have a mind of it's on that bass.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
Does have You always felt that way though, like even
as a kid before you got into professionals, just went
went fish. Okay, yeah, so why don't we go back
to that? Why can't why can't you try to adjust
your mindset to go I'm just gonna go on fish.
You have all the knowledge, You've got all the tools,
and I mean that's I mean, you're still just trying
to out smart a stupid green fish.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
It is true, It is true. There's I guess it's
hard to do that when there's so much on the line.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
Yeah, but that might be why the line doesn't always
come the way that you wanted to. Probably probably, I
mean you if you actually sat down and threw caution
into the wind and you're like, look, I found him
here in practice, I'm going to go back throw five
casts out there.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
If they're not here, we'll go practice.
Speaker 4 (21:35):
Not here, We're just gonna go practice.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
Like literally that tournament on Logan Martin and look, I'm
not a pro by any stretch, but winning that tournament,
I realized and learned a lot just from that win.
Speaker 4 (21:46):
I learned way more when I lose, which I've been
learning a lot.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
Uh, But went in that tournament, like literally my buddy
called me and said, hey, do you want to go
fish Logan Mark? Yeah, And then we found out there
was a team turnament.
Speaker 3 (21:59):
You got there.
Speaker 4 (22:00):
I was like, let's just jump in.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
You know, it's one hundred and fifty bucks seventy five
to seventy five, let's just say.
Speaker 4 (22:04):
He's like, yeah, let's do it.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
And then we ran around the lake and it was
good because then I got back to the dogs and
had the afternoon and we find out we win. Well. Literally,
he called me the night before when he was getting
ready to leave and I said, I'm gonna throw a
crank bait, a jerk bait, spinner bait, like these are
all the things that I have, and what do we
catch them on?
Speaker 4 (22:22):
Those three things? So we just went out to go fishing.
And I know plenty of guys say, oh, just go fishing.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
Yeah, he can't treat it that way, like there's a
lot of pressure that comes in. But could you, like legitimately,
could you take every tournament you do and go I'm
just gonna go fishing today.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
Oh yeah, I mean I'm sure you could, but I,
like Ken West Logan, the problem.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
I would have with it, Like me personally, I think
if I did do that and it works out, that's awesome, Like, Okay,
this is the you know, this is the cats.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
Now, this is the easiest thing to do. Well.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
If I go do that and it ends up worse
than I thought it could be, then I'm gonna beat myself. Yeah,
you'll blame like, man, you didn't enough effort. You weren't
you weren't focused enough. I think that's kind of like, dude,
sometimes it's just not gonna happen. Like I kind of
had that realization on day three. I'm like, this termament
just wasn't It wasn't meant for me to like win.
(23:14):
It just I never got on the right deal. And dude,
the crazy thing is, like you hear guys say this,
when it's meant to be, you can't keep it from happening,
and you can't you can't make it happening. So so
like a couple of days ago, the NPFL posts a
video of will fish in one of the days and
he reels his crank bait out of the water and
a three pounder jumps up and eats it as he's
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picking it up.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
Dude.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
When I saw that, I was like, there was nobody
else gonna win that turn like it was his. It
was no doubt he figured out a deal on a
part of the lake not many people were fishing. And
when stuff like that starts happening, like when the water's
fifty degrees and there's bass jumping out of the water,
eat your crank bait. Heck, dude, you can't beat him.
Like it's not gonna happen. So when you say when
it's your day, it's your day, I've had him.
Speaker 4 (23:57):
That was laylake for you and the elites when you
want it now, Yes.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
That that I mean, dude, Like the final day, I
mean you can go back and watch the whole live.
I lost enough fish to win in the first hour
like twice, like they just they either missed my jit
swim gee, they come off coming to the boat, and
I still won, Like I did everything wrong and still
won the tournament. Like you can't keep it from happening.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
Do you have a little bit of pressure in the
back of your brain that says, people won't take me serious.
Speaker 4 (24:27):
Unless I win the lead. That's not on the KUSA No, No,
I don't.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
I've never really thought of that because I mean, I
should have won. I've been leading at Gunnersville, I've been
leading all across.
Speaker 4 (24:38):
Where'd you slip? You had a couple of second place.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
At twice, one time in the fall and one time
in uh the the second place in the in in June.
I think when Kupfall won, I think he beat me
by like eighteen pounds, But dude, it was he had
a twelve pound league win in the final day.
Speaker 4 (24:56):
That was no like it was his tournament talk leads.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
Yeah, what about the Okachobe deal the Open m Scott
Martin a ninety three plus pound bag. Yeah, I mean
you talk about when it's your day, it's your day.
He's a local to Clewiston, lives on Okachobe, knows plenty
about Okachobe. So he puts up a bag like that.
The guys that are in second place, third place, like
(25:20):
I think Tucker.
Speaker 4 (25:21):
Was one of them that was in the time.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
I think Randall finished third.
Speaker 4 (25:24):
Yeah, you have to be.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
Thinking at that point, You're like, Hey, I'm just gonna
go out and I'm going to try to get second place,
and you to give it. You're trying to find the
guy that you can chip away at.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
Yeah, I mean you go out there like when the lead,
like like with me and Caleb and like with that situation,
you just go out there and just keep fishing like
we've been doing and whatever bites bites.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
I mean you do his best.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
Say you can pressure different because now you you really know,
like I'm not in it for first, I'm in it
for second.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
I think the pressure is different, but I don't think
your intensity needs to change. I mean you need to
go out there and catch the biggest bag you can.
But realistically, he's going to have to have the worst
day of his career to not yeah, to not win.
I mean I had a lead one time in a
BFL regional when I was like eighteen at the Saint John's.
I had an eleven pound lead over second, and I
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still caught thirteen pounds the final day and got beat
by like three ounces. Like the dude in like fifth
called like twenty seven. So like, dude, sometimes it's just
not your day, or you go do everything you can
and somebody else catches them better. That's just I mean,
it wasn't your The good Lord said it wasn't your day,
like you just go. You just got to accept that.
Speaker 4 (26:26):
That's a hard pill to swallow.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
Well, the worst ones.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
I what hates me is when like you have the
opportunity to win and it just doesn't happen, like they
just you either, you know, you lose them. They you know,
something something just happens. Like that's the ones that hurt
the worst. Like you had the opportunity and it just
like sometimes you don't get the opportunity, like it just
doesn't happen.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
I look at some of these tournaments, and I mean,
I like getting in some of these bigger tournaments, you know,
the one hundred and fifty two hundred bone tournaments. But man,
you want to talk about winning a tournament you have
a multi day at two hundred plus boats. Oh yes,
you got to get them like you're dodging bullets left
and right, and for you to be able to come
(27:08):
in with a giant bag, like I'm happy to just
scratch twelve to fifteen pounds. The guy told me back
in the day, he was like, hey, look, if you
fish just your local pro Joe's type of tournaments and
it might be even a couple of days, but it's
two hundred some boats. He's like, you get twelve pounds
a day, there's a good chance you're going to scratch
(27:29):
a check.
Speaker 3 (27:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
I feel like that number is probably going up a
little more because of the ford facing stuff.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
But it depends on where your what area of the
country you're fishing into.
Speaker 4 (27:37):
Let's say fifteen pounds, fifteen's.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
Pretty solid anywhere you go.
Speaker 4 (27:41):
So there you go.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
So the idea for a lot of guys if you're
fishing tournaments is you want to go out and you
want to try to catch fifteen pounds. Yes, no matter
what time of year, no matter what lake, no matter
what part of the country, you want fifteen pounds.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
Yeah, Well, fifteen pounds, I mean the average size of
a large mouth basses two and a half to three
and a half pounds. It's like most of the I mean,
you might go to like where we're going at Toledo,
the average may be a little bit bigger, but but like,
fifteen's pretty probably average.
Speaker 4 (28:08):
There is significantly larger Well the haf ones.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
Yeah, I mean, you got you got that to do it.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
And the only time the fifteen is kind of skewed
is up north with the small mouth because they're just
so many of them like fifteen's nothing, we're sixteen and
a half, seventeen's you know, doing good? Yeah, But if
you can just go out there and figure out how
to get a quality like catch quality fish like you're
gonna you're gonna get the better because if you're catching
three pounders, you have the opportunity to catch a seven.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
If you're catching pound and a half ers, probably not
so much.
Speaker 4 (28:36):
Do you have to adjust off of that?
Speaker 1 (28:37):
Like let's say you go out, you make five cash,
you catch five one and a half and lowers. Are
those fish staging just a little higher than the bigger ones,
like they're in the same area?
Speaker 4 (28:48):
Or do big ones not hang out with little ones?
Speaker 2 (28:50):
I mean they'll hang out together. And I'm not like
I'm not a fishball just or expert or anything, but
I sometimes it's more of a bait selection or a
tech in that same area.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
Gotcha.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
I feel like like you may catch him on a
little crank bait, catch you know, eight pounds, and then
somebody comes behind you flipping the jig and gets three
bytes and they weigh twelve pounds, they catch three four pounders.
Where that little fish it gonna bite that, you know,
that big jig and that bigger fish don't want to
chase that little crank bait because he's not gonna get
a lot out of exerting that energy to catch that
(29:23):
little crank bait. He'd rather eat that big crawfish that
comes beside it.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
Tell you, what's so interesting to me is just in
the conversations that I've had with some guys after tournaments,
Like I learned through a couple things that they said.
I'm like, man, I need to be looking out for
stuff like that bast Master Classic.
Speaker 3 (29:39):
I'm riding with a guy.
Speaker 4 (29:41):
We're driving back.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
He's got like ten minutes to get back, but we're
within seven minutes of the ramp.
Speaker 4 (29:47):
So he's like, Hey, I'm just gonna fish this tree
real quick.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
He pulls over, fishes a tree, catches a good three pounder,
culls one of his fish out, throws in the live well,
takes off, gets the weigh in the ability for him
to go.
Speaker 4 (30:00):
No, I got to pull over and do this real quick.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
Even in some other tournaments with guys that I've talked to,
they're like, hey, I was just driving back to the ramp.
I saw this spot, and one guy explained it to
me where he felt like the heavens opened up sunshine
just on this one piece of you know, cover a
tree stump, lay down a brush, bile of bank rock,
whatever it was. And he's like, and I heard in
(30:24):
my ears, you know, the angels going huh. He pulled
up on that through five casts, had four three pounders
come out cold out. All his fish goes to the
way in. Yeah, that happened almost every tournament where you're
driving by, you see some of your like my instinct
says I may need to go do this.
Speaker 4 (30:41):
I'm gonna do it.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
I wish it happened to every tournament because a lot
of times when it happens, you do catch some and
it you know, maybe it's a good Lord telling you
to pull over there, But I mean you just got
to listen to you good I mean when you if
you like I sometimes we get so caught up in
the pressure and running practice and run practice we don't
stop it listen like and like good Lord's like, hey
(31:03):
they're doing this, or the fish are trying to tell
you something, and like you're just so focused on what
you were doing you you spin yourself out and because
they're not doing.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
It no more, I'm such a huge fan of just
listening to yourself in the boat, because you know, I've
had conversations where guys are like, when is it a
good time for me to pull my trolling motor up
and walk away from a spot. And I always tell guys,
not that it matters, you know, in my opinion on it,
but I always say, the minute you think I need
to move, you should move.
Speaker 3 (31:29):
Yep, yep, I agree, I agree the quicker you.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
And and here's the next thing, Like I've heard Paul
Nex say this, and I don't remember exactly how he
said it, but if you think of something more than twice,
do it like that?
Speaker 3 (31:43):
He said.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
That's the way he fishes, Like, like you just said,
if you have that thought to move, if within five
or seven minutes, I think he says, if you think
it again, just pick your stuff up and go somewhere else.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
I mean, he goes back to that whole thing we
were talking about earlier though, Like, if you're just going
to go out and fish, your goal is you just
want to catch fish. Yeah, So if you're saying to yourself, man,
I'm pretty sure they're gonna bite this crank break and
they don't bite the crank bait that you're throwing, and
you go, maybe they just want something that's a little less.
Speaker 4 (32:10):
Like maybe a little more orange. You should make that switch.
Speaker 3 (32:13):
Yeah, because if.
Speaker 4 (32:13):
They weren't biting what you were throwing, what's the what's.
Speaker 3 (32:16):
Gonna hurt something else?
Speaker 2 (32:18):
That's the that's not always like kind of like I'll
trust I'm like, what's it gonna hurt if I went
an hour without a buy Like, it ain't gonna really.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
I'm happy that we got into some bad beats on
this where you talk about how you have a monster
bag and then all of a sudden somebody comes charging behind.
I like the fact that we got into some of
the boat etiquette stuff, because.
Speaker 3 (32:36):
Man, we need to do better with that airbody.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
Like rap etiquette is big, but there's boat etiquette that
we didn't even touch on.
Speaker 3 (32:43):
The on the water stuff, there's a lot of that
what's the.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
What's the one thing that drives somebody crazy on the
water in a tournament that you wish would be eliminated
because you know, I heard a couple of guys say
some things at the NPFL and I was just like,
I don't know if I agree with that, where they
were like, hey, if you know what big tournament's coming
to the year Lake, you need to.
Speaker 4 (33:05):
Stay off of it while the pros are out there.
I don't, and I don't agree with that.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
No, I don't agree with that at all, because I mean,
I've been that kid before where I wanted to be
out on the water and see what all the guys
were doing. Now the problem I have, and I've seen
it happen a lot, not with me personally, it hasn't
ever happened much. You might have a few guys following
you and then you try and roll back to a
place maybe later in the day or the next day,
(33:31):
and that boat's doing the exact same thing you were
doing on the exact same spot where he wouldn't have
been doing that if you hadn't been sitting there and
he came and watched you. So I think the worst
part is like, like, there's nothing wrong with being on
the water, it's not gonna hurt anything. But actually and
even going fishing, Like if you want to fish when
we're out there, by all means, go fish, But like
if you see the leader going down a rip wrap bank,
(33:52):
you know, throwing a dirt bait, don't ten minutes after
he leaves, go back behind him and throw a dirt
bait down that same bank.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
Yeah, I think it all comes down to, you know,
respect for the tournament in the angler that's doing it.
Like if I see something, because I'm a lot like you,
If I see somebody who's on a spot, like, I
want to watch and try to learn and pick.
Speaker 4 (34:10):
Up things that I see that you do.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
But I'm certainly not gonna throw my trolling motor down
and just fish right behind you and try to do
the same thing. And in retrospect, if I pull up
to a spot that I fish on my lake all
the time, knowing that tournament guys are really just coming
to that lake for that week, they might not be
there for another five years. If I see that you're
already on it, I'm not going to try to get
within one hundred yards of your boat and try.
Speaker 3 (34:34):
To like push you, you know, push around like.
Speaker 4 (34:37):
I've been pushed.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
I've been tried to be pushed before, and it's not
a it's not a great feeling, I can tell you that.
Speaker 4 (34:42):
But that's the weird part is like, yes, it's water,
nobody owns the water.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
Yeah, but most of the time most of the time
people if they're you know, a much you know, of
established angler at all, they kind of know what they're
doing and you kind of as as us guys, I
feel like sometimes you can kind of tell what you're
dealing with. Like he may have mister Bob out there
that's sixty five retired. He's just fishing down the bank
like more than like do whatever you want to do,
(35:07):
but I don't care. But when you got a dude
out there that's freaking flying around and you know, like
getting all crowded on people, like he knows what he's doing. Yeah,
and and and it made you. I think sometimes it
may be jealousy. But like my my biggest thing is
I've had one or two run ins, bad ones, not
very many. And my whole argument is that's fine if
(35:29):
you want to try and mess me up, like that's whatever,
Like that's that's on you, Like you got to live
with that. But how about Monday morning when you get
to your desk job, I'm sitting there and I take
your computer and your keyboard and you let me know
how you how you react to it.
Speaker 3 (35:42):
Like that's that's been my biggest thing, Like this is
my job.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
The situations that I've run into are I think these
are fairly common. I'll be working a bank and all
come around a dock or all come around to a
little point or whatever, and then I noticed there's a
boat on the same exact bank, but they're coming towards me,
So to go kind of into the wind. Yeah, try
to present my bait that way, and they're doing something
a little different. I'm the type of person where if
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I get to them, I'll veer out, let them continue
going down the bank. I'll give up that one dock
or that one little rock or whatever they're trying to
throw at. But then I immediately tuck it right back
in and keep going. Is that something in tournaments that
that pros usually run into her If you see somebody
on a stretch, you go, I'm just staying out of there.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
It just kind of like it depends on what they're doing.
Like I obviously you don't want to just pull in
in front of somebody, but if you which that happens,
Oh yeah, yeah, it happens a lot. And like a
couple of times this past week when you get on
a like I've seen it happen a lot on Doc Lakes,
like because the way you fish them, I mean most
of the time you're you know, tucking in getting around them.
Speaker 3 (36:44):
You won't even see nobody, and.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
You might pull over there and you know, fish one
or two and then y'all bounce out at the same
time you're like, all crap, do my bath Like me,
it happened me and Buddy one day, I think it
was day two. He was he ended up being on
a stretch. Yeah, Like I ran to them, to one
end of them. I was gonna fish them this way,
and I like, I swear I didn't see nobody, and
I've seen him pop out. Well, I just picked my
stuff up and left. I didn't even keep fishing, and
(37:06):
I just out of by him. I sayd my bad, dude.
I So he's like, that's all good, but like that's
normal stough sure. Like but the you know, passing each
other like we're dude, we're all respectful, Like we're all
out there for the same reason.
Speaker 3 (37:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:17):
I mean I've seen guys blow by somebody and then go,
you know, three docks up and cut that line. And
then at that point you're just like, man, if you
really want it.
Speaker 3 (37:27):
That bad, just take it.
Speaker 4 (37:29):
Go ahead. Yeah, because in twenty minutes the timing might
not be right. He'll just come back, you know, you'll
find him. Then.
Speaker 1 (37:36):
That's West Logan. I'm Spencer Graves, Lines and Tyne. Thanks
to everybody who clicks, subscribe, continue to download.
Speaker 4 (37:41):
We appreciate you, guys,
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