September 6, 2024 • 28 mins
Spencer Graves and Wes Logan sit down to talk about his crazy boat wreck in New York and the drama with Forward Facing Sonar in the NPFL and Bassmaster
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Let's get right into lines and Tynes, I'm Spencer. My
buddy Wes Logan from the bass Master Elites joins us,
you haven't really had anything going on this month.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Yeah, no, it's been.
Speaker 3 (00:09):
It's been real docile, not a whole lot going on.
Been at home, just sitting around, not doing anything.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
All right, Can we actually talk about the boat accident
because I've heard you on different podcasts and social posts
and all that kind of stuff, and you were definitely
doing the pr thing where you were like, you know,
you were giving a little bit away, but you were
also holding some things back.
Speaker 4 (00:28):
So tell me exactly what happened.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
Se Yeah, basically, so in a short, long story short,
I'm not gonna make it short, but basically, I was
running from one spot to the other on Champlain the
day two morning, around nine am, and I go to
take off, and I mean the waves aren't big. They're
probably foot and a half maybe two footers on, which
is not anything crazy up north. And I take off
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and I'm running maybe fifty fifty two, but I've got
my nose down and the waves are just far enough
or just close enough that they're kind of eating me
up a little bit. So I just picked the nose
up a little bit, which, in turn, if you've ever
driven a boat, lets the boat speed up a little bit.
So I'm running probably fifty eight, maybe sixty, just kind
of cruising across top the waves. And I got hammered
a little bit for going, you know, ninety five in
(01:15):
those conditions whatever. My boat won't even go close to
what people think it will speed wise. But so I'm
just I had kind of gotten on top of the
waves just just because, I mean, it's a smoother ride
like you're not. I mean, I know how to drive
above and driving a boat longer than I've been driving
a vehicle. And all I can remember is I'm bouncing
across the top of those waves, and all of a sudden,
I come off of one and I hit the other one,
(01:36):
and my boat, the nose of my boat just kicks
straight up, and I don't really know what happened, Like
I obviously I felt something, and I knew I've been
driving that boat for five years. I mean, I've only
been in that boat since I've been on the Elites,
and I knew something happened that wasn't supposed to, and
I knew I was going to have a hard impact
when I hit the water, but I mean, I'm just
bracing for a hard hit and just to keep on rolling.
(01:57):
And obviously when the boat hits the water, for whoever
seeing the video, it obviously takes a one to eighty
and throws me around a good bit. And at some
point in time between that the nose of the boat
going airborne and me hitting the water, the engine breaks
loose from the back of the boat, and that's where
all the throwing around and the boat getting spun around
obviously comes from. A head gets you know, thrown into
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the side of the gun or two or three times.
Bust my head, bust my chin, bust all my teeth
on the bottom left side of my you know, jaw,
stuff like that, a lot of blood kind of kind
of threw it, didn't knock me out, kind of threw
me for a loop for a minute. In the video,
I take my life jacket off. But I think I
think that was just habit of me standing up like
(02:42):
it was just everybody was bashing me about that too.
I'm like, man, I did that unconsciously, Like I didn't
even realize I did it.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
I mean, at some point when I looked at the video,
you looked like you were, I mean literally in a
fight with Mike Tyson. You got punched right in the
mouth in the square. So then you're like probably days
you seeing stars.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
So I never, like I said, I never got knocked out.
I've never I never saw stars. And playing football in
high school, like dude, I got rocked like so many times,
like hit way harder than that.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
But what I didn't.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
Get like shook up, and I never like lost my
train of thought what I needed to do. But I
can remember in the video when I stand up and
that first you know, instance of me grabbing my head.
I can remember like the end of the section, last
of your finger is what I could feel.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Like my head busted open. I'm like, ah, that ain't good.
And that's it.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
Like when I felt that I saw the engine about
the same time gone, I took my life. I got off,
grabbed my phone, was trying to wipe it off from
the water.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
Thank god.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
I don't know how my phone stayed in the boat,
Like it just sits in the cup holder beside me,
like it's not attached to anything.
Speaker 4 (03:43):
Down your throttle.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
Yeah, so the skeeter has as we have a cup holder,
like to the right of the seat, like right beside
the gear shift, and I mean it's just sitting there.
Speaker 4 (03:51):
If you were on the left side, that thing's gone though.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely the way the boat got thrown and
maybe that's what saved at the boat getting thrown to
the right kept it, you know, against the tea, the seat.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
It's got a lot of things that it kind of
has to get through.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
But it's crazy.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
Like my phone has no case on it, no nothing,
and it was sitting in water in the cup hoolder.
I just grabbed it, started wiping it off, uh, started
making the phone calls. But but I never, like I said,
I never really lost my Like I was thinking perfectly
clear and even talking to Lisa later, talking to her,
everybody I talked here, they're like you were talking normally,
like pretty like level headed of what's going on, what we.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Need to do, all that stuff. But the worst go ahead.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
I'll tell you what's crazy was watching the video of
the accident and then Riley, your wife who puts up
a lot of your social media stuff, shares a video
of you and the ambulance. Those are two completely different
people because in the boat, like you just got into
an accident, and it it looks gnarly.
Speaker 4 (04:47):
Yah, But when you're in the ambulance, I mean you
look like you just like you.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
Got lit up, like I got drugged down the highway,
Like the blood was all.
Speaker 4 (04:56):
Just coming from your head, like it was that bad. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
My chin, my head were the worst. My chin was
bleeding a lot worse than I than I really realized.
And I didn't until right before they got to pick
me up. I didn't even realize my chin had been
busted open. I guess everything else was kind of The
head was obviously the worst part, but in a non
graphic way. Every time I would take that rag off
my head, it would shoot across the deck of my boat,
like just I could not get.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
It to stall.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
How long until somebody came out and got you?
Speaker 2 (05:22):
An hour? Wow, I was there for an hour. And
it's not anybody's fault.
Speaker 4 (05:26):
Because I just trying to explain where you're at.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
I was trying to figure out to get everybody realized
where I was at. And initially the only really boat
that we had there was the service crew boat, the
Texas Boat world Boat, and there was a little bit
of translation issue, like nobody realized it was an accident.
They thought I'd broke down, so they were like, there
wasn't a sense of urgency.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
Like we'll get out there to him.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
And then all of a sudden, Riley gets over there
and shows them I'd sent her a picture of my head,
and it like everybody's gears changed, like everybody got into
gear and they got out there to me.
Speaker 4 (05:58):
But well, then I heard that.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
You had hit a floating boat dock, like one of
the platforms.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
Yeah, so what what everybody thinks happened is when when
I hit that final wave and like I was telling you,
my boat kicked up like I thought it wasn't supposed
to Like in my mind, I don't think it was
supposed to do that. From what they found the floating
platform they found, it looked like that I had hit
it long ways and like split the two it was
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two by six's and had split them kind of into
a V.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Like basically I ramped it.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Because I was hoping that they were going to have
a picture of the boat ramp or the platform and
all that.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Kind of stuff.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
I haven't seen it. They said that they went and
got it. But when you got to remember when all
this is going down. I'm getting sewn up in the hospital,
like just trying to I'm like, I can remember my
head getting like burnt because they're trying to burn the
blood vessel because it won't quit bleeding.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
You're not out there doing the first forty eight. Like,
let me piece things together.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
I'm just worried about I'm talking to I'm talking to
Pa Jack right there. Just I'm like, buddy, you gotta
get me back on the water, like I gotta, I
got stuff I got to do.
Speaker 5 (06:59):
Well.
Speaker 4 (06:59):
I'm happy good.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
You know, obviously I was trying to trade some text
message with you and call you in all that kind
of stuff. But I also knew, like what I was
seeing on social media, I'm late. He's got bigger fish
to fry.
Speaker 5 (07:10):
It was.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
It was a whirlwind of three or four days.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Well, congrats, you've sold more leashes for DD twenty six
than probably anybody ever responsible in bass fishing.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
So, actually Precision SNAr is who owns the leash. Okay,
DD twenty six works with Precisions Soar and helps them
sell some stuff, But the actual company that sells the
leash is Precision Soar. And I told I'm buddies with
the guy, because I've had one on my boat for
like five years, but you never, like I put one
on every time I get a new boat, but you
never think like it's just I'm gonna put this on
(07:42):
because I've had it on, Like you never think you're
gonna need it until you need it, obviously, but I
definitely uh looking at how the engine come off, and
that was That's another thing. The only thing that was
holding that engine to my boat was one steering cable and.
Speaker 4 (07:54):
That leash and that crazy.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
And what a lot of people don't understand is in
an insurance situation, if you don't have the that you
don't get anything. You have to recover that for they
ever will do anything. And I promise you had one
hundred and fifty foot of water, You're not getting that
one back.
Speaker 4 (08:09):
So so I bless that steering cable.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
Yeah, yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
But no, my phone blew up. People were like, hey,
do you see what happened?
Speaker 4 (08:17):
West?
Speaker 1 (08:17):
And I'm like yeah, And obviously because of this podcast,
they were asking me like if you.
Speaker 4 (08:21):
Talk to him, what's the deal?
Speaker 1 (08:22):
And I go, the man's in the hospital, Like I'll yeah,
I'll connect with him.
Speaker 4 (08:27):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
I don't think they'll. I think the first of the
thing from his mind is let me call Spencer and
just talk to him real quick. But I was getting
phone calls from people and they're like, dude, I'm buying
a leash today, And then they were sending me pictures
of my leash just showed up.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
And then they're putting it on their boat and I
don't have one on mine.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
Yeah, I would really as a as a buddy, I
would really rather especially running around here, like I mean,
I run around here, and I didn't buy it for
I thought I was gonna hit something in the middle
of the light, like i'd buy all right, I got
it because I run some sketchy stuff shallow.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
Yeah, because that's just the way I fish.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
And you never think about like you're gonna hit it
out in the middle of basically the ocean. But and
thinking back on it, like everybody couldn't have been a
floating platform. Well, I talked to five different anglers that
morning that ran by one and they were all different
ones in different areas of the lake. Yeah, Like people
don't realize how bad that tropical storm came through that
that day.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
They canceled there's a lot of people don't even realize
that was what.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
It was incredible, how bad the wind was, the weather,
it was literally I've been in a hurricane when it
hit in Florida and it was practically the same thing.
It was pretty sketchy, Like I thought our camper was
gonna flip over.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
It was. It was really bad, but it was just
a freak thing. But like I've told everybody.
Speaker 4 (09:35):
If dude, you went back and fished, had.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
To, man, you got no choice.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
So how many fish did you have in the live
one four? You had four, so you needed five really.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
Absolutely, And what people don't understand about Champlaine is like
three ounces is like five or ten places.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Sure, like it's huge.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
And I knew, like even if I could go back
out there and catch well just a keeper, like it's
gonna give me, you know, saving because I had a
really good first day and I thought, if I could
catch seventeen the second day, I was in the cut
hands down, it wasn't even gonna be no question. And
to get be able to everything line up and then
get me back out there, and and Texas Boat World
have that boat allowed me to go back out there,
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and I just I knew I had one place I
could go to. I didn't think they would be big,
but I had one place pretty close. I thought I
could get a bite, and I ran straight to it,
and I put the troull motor down in my third
cast called a three pounter, so like, so there's five,
there's my five, and I'll be honest, no, no, I
caught two, but they weren't. I'm gonna be honest with you.
Once I caught that first one and got five, of
(10:33):
the adrenaline was completely gone. Huh, and I was I
was struggling pretty bad.
Speaker 4 (10:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
I was kind of like not there for the next hour,
and I was like, I got to get back to
the ramp, like.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
I'm not doing good. I'm dizzy, like my head's killing me.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
How did you finish that day, sixtieth? How did you
finished for the tournament?
Speaker 2 (10:51):
I finished it.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
I finished the tournament, Okay, I had fifteen fourteen is
what I ended up having. The fish was actually two fourteen,
but I mean I caught it. The three founder were
going back and looking at the points it gained me
twenty seven points. I would have finished in eighty seventh,
finished in sixtieth and with the way everything played out
at Saint.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
Lawrence, I would have tied.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
If I hadn't went out there and caught that fish,
I would have been tied for the final spot in
the Classic cut.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
And we don't know if I do. We haven't done
the numbers on.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
The tiebreaker yet, obviously, but still, the amount of how
important that two fourteen was was incredible.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
And you know, I was obviously, with us being friends,
I obviously speak really highly about you to everybody, but
I immediately said, that's the most badass student fishing. Yeah, and
I know you're not gonna I know you're going to
take that allay.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
That's nice to say, I mean, but like I was
on the podcast from Mercer the next morning or the
two days after, and he was like, Man, why'd you
like you so toub? I was like, Man, I didn't
do it for me, like I did it for like
my sponsors, Riley, my parents, like you, like all the
support from people that I know how important that Classic
is to get to. From a from a support standpoint,
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from a you know, a sponsorship standpoint, Well do we've
worked all year for this and we're gonna let this
kind of keep us down?
Speaker 5 (12:09):
No?
Speaker 1 (12:09):
Man, I ain't not yetitude because if you think about
like somebody who goes to work. Let's say just somebody
goes to work, they have a freak accident, right, they
get workman's comp they're off for the day.
Speaker 4 (12:19):
Yeah, you don't do that. No, we don't get well.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
I mean, the bass can't just give me the twenty
seven points.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
They're like, oh, well, you can't go back out there.
We'll give you.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
But that's why you're such a badass when it comes
to getting back out in the water. Because there's plenty
of people in other professional sports. Like when you hear
about a guy having turf toe and he can't play
this Sunday. Yeah, you sit there and you're like, yeah,
but Wes Logan can smash his face into the gunnel
of a boat, go to the hospital.
Speaker 4 (12:46):
Get stitches, jack up his entire face, his head still
still jack up.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
I mean, and that's lasting. I mean, this is this
is a stark reminder of like the season's over. So
you did all these things to get one fish. That's
all you needed was two pounds fourteen ounces, get you
twenty seven points, put you in a better situation. There's
a lot of guys that would have been like, I'm
just done. I'm not even thinking about what the outcome
campassiblely be.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
I mean I had some really good buddies that called
me and were checking on me out because obviously nobody
knew what happened, like till after weigh in and they
come over to the camper and they're like.
Speaker 4 (13:18):
There ain't no way in hell I would have went
back out there.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
I'm like, well, dude, looking at all the circumstances, like,
how could you not If you're a competitor and you
really like your heart and souls in this, why would
you not go back out there?
Speaker 2 (13:30):
Like the job's not finished.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
I do kind of love the idea that you're in
the middle of nowhere in New York and you're like, well,
I'm here, so I guess I might as well fish.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
Yeah, I mean, like, I mean, what was I gonna do?
Just go sit around? Like if I if I could
stand up. I said a quote to somebody I think
it was on I don't remember what it was on,
but like I think it came from like growing up
in football and my dad coaching me and my football coaches,
like if you're not dead on the field, get up,
that's right, And that was another like, if you're not dead,
go back out there and fish like you owe it
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to everybody else.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
So obviously you to find a clip of whoever said that,
and you're gonna have to make that a big part
of your twenty twenty five campaign because you are you're
now the poster child for bad things happening on.
Speaker 4 (14:11):
The water, but also the grit and.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
The resiliency for you to get back out there and
continue to compete, and not only that, people do forget
kind of.
Speaker 4 (14:20):
There was another tournament after that, immediately right into it.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
I mean, so you had no break, no downtime, nothing
to get yourself healthy, and then.
Speaker 4 (14:28):
You got to roll into that.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
Yeah, so we started practice that next Tuesday, But like
so Saturday was obviously the Sunday the day after that,
I went and got on FS one when Mercer went
and worked Yamaha booth. All at this time trying to
figure out how I'm gonna get a boat for Saint
Lawrence and dealing with the insurance companies and all that,
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which is a whole different stuffy.
Speaker 4 (14:51):
Bucks Island was so good, do they were?
Speaker 2 (14:53):
Bucks Island was good.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
Everybody that was a part of it, like I would
never have been in the situation I was without all
the help from it, like Bucks is on Texas Boat World,
Skeeter Yamaha, like everybody.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
If I didn't think that you'd feel bad getting caught
dead in the Phoenix, I would have run.
Speaker 4 (15:08):
My boat up for you.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
And you have no idea how many people said I
will be that, I will drive all night to bring.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
You my boat. And I'm like, man, we can we
can handle it. We got it.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
We got I got a lot of people up here
that are taking care of me. But it uh that
that Saint Lawrence week was was very trying, just not
even really.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
I mean I was.
Speaker 3 (15:26):
I mean I told her, I said, I'm just gonna
practice like light, I'll just chill out.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
Well obviously that did.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
I got out there and it was daylight that she
was like, are you coming in? I'm like, there's three
more hours of daylight. I'm just stay out here. But
just all the external stuff that was going on, and
then had some adversity on day one with the borrowed
boat battery situation.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
And I'm like, man, this can't be happening.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
And they caught them way better than I thought they
would we dropped it. It kind of got kind of sketchy
right there on the night of day one looking at
the points for day two. But you know, the Good
Lord bless us on day two to go out there
and catch a really good bag.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
But not trying to make excuses.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
But from that accident, all the way up until Monday,
I've really not had gotten any rest at all because
I wasn't gonna come home because of the MPFL at Saginaw.
Ended up having to drive home twenty hours to pick
up another boat, got to stay home for two days,
get it rid get it way I needed it for Saganaw,
turn around, drove another fourteen hours back up to Saginaw
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fish that whole tournament. Finally got home Sunday, late Sunday
night and got in to rest a little bit. The
next you know, the next couple of days we've had here.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
So I just turned the microphone over to Riley and
she shook her head like I don't want to be
on this. Riley is your wife, Riley, You're a big
part of this story though. So when he calls you,
what does he say to you when the accident.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
Happened, I'm hurt, really bad.
Speaker 4 (16:48):
And how do you as his wife?
Speaker 1 (16:50):
I mean, you guys are in your first year of marriage,
you've been together for a while, but what goes through
your mind when you hear that.
Speaker 5 (16:58):
Well, as a nurse, I'm just like, okay, well I
need to get to him. Where is he? So ask
Hi where he is? He says, he's out in the
middle of the lake. I'm like, okay, well, what's hurt?
He said? My head? I said, do you have something
to put on it? He's like, yeah, I have a rag.
I'm like, okay, well we'll figure out.
Speaker 4 (17:12):
Covered in grease too, by the way, yeah, but a.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Bunch of eggs.
Speaker 5 (17:18):
So then I just knew it was my duty to
try to figure out how to get him back to shore.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
When you see him, when you finally you lay eyes
on him, it was.
Speaker 5 (17:28):
About like I expected, because I knew he was down
playing it a lot, and I just I'm I mean,
being in the profession I'm in, I know, like kids
bleed a lot. Yeah, I mean it was what I expected.
I think everybody else was like freaking out and big eyed.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
But dude, when I pulled up to that dot, that
was like fifteen people stand there and it was like
they had seen a goat.
Speaker 4 (17:49):
Everybody was just silent.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
I was like, God, but I can imagine like coming
in it because when I the worst part about it
was when Jackie came and got me from texta boat
where with his boat. I got in his boat and
drove myself back in like seven minutes, and I couldn't
hold my hand on my head anymore because of the
ways were beating me up so bad. So it was
coming on and off and there was like a blood
(18:13):
tornado around. Oh my god, and everything like I could
see Plattsburgh and everything started getting kind of quiet, and
my head was I was like, I've got to get
to that ramp for I'm about to I'm literally about
to pass out. And I got to the ramp or
the dog and I just remember everybody. I could barely
see people because of all the blood, and they were
just like And then the MT got to hold up me,
and I was like, how long is this gonna take? Oh,
It's gonna be a wow.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
Riley does a lot of your social stuff, probably ninety
eight percent of it. You did a great job documenting everything.
I know, I kind of told you that before we
got into this, but during it too, being able to
play that stuff out like you're taking video in the ambulance. Well,
I mean that was the most chaotic scene I think
I've ever seen in my life. But then you know,
watching him go back down the ramp and then getting
(18:55):
back on a boat going out and to compete, like
you guys played the story out perfect because there were
so many people that wanted to know.
Speaker 4 (19:02):
So kudos to you on that, righty.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
She was she was literally the the what held everything together.
She was the calmst she got it was getting people
in line, So shout out to her. Her And I mean,
obviously Lisa called Lisa right off the bat called Lisa,
then called Riley. When I called my dad and got
we were they were all just trying to figure out
how to get to get McGinn or Doug.
Speaker 4 (19:25):
Right, yeah, what did Doug say? Doug with Doug kind
of like, I said, what the hell is going on?
I said, he.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
Said, I was.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
I was when I was caught angel. He's like, hell,
I said, hey, we got a problem. I've wacked blah
blah blah blah.
Speaker 4 (19:40):
What hell you mean?
Speaker 2 (19:41):
You wreck?
Speaker 5 (19:42):
You?
Speaker 3 (19:42):
Okay, I'm like I'm fine, I'm fine, I said, I
just need to get a boat out here. To me,
like I'm busting up a little bit, but I need
to get another boat so I can fish. I ain't
got before. And I just kept telling everybody I've only
got four I can fish.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
I'm fine. Just wrap it up and obviously what it
was worse than that.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
But would best not let you go unless the doctor
said that you were cleared.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Yes, I had to get the PA. What was a PA?
A physician to system.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
He had to get on the phone with Lisa and
okay me to be able to go operate a vessel
during tournament.
Speaker 4 (20:11):
Out, I have to slide him like fifty bucks, like, dude,
I really need you.
Speaker 5 (20:14):
Man.
Speaker 4 (20:14):
I didn't.
Speaker 3 (20:14):
I didn't give them anything, but dude, they were like
they like missed some of their lunch breaks to get
me going.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
And it was, man.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
Once I got in there and I kind of explained
to him what was going on, they were like they
kicked it into another gear and it was. It was
pretty incredible. And I basically owe everything to them because
they did. I mean, it was all I couldn't have
done it.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
I'm glad, you're good. I'm glad everything worked out. I mean,
obviously it was a kaout a couple of weeks, almost
three weeks for you, and it really probably hasn't slown down.
I do want to switch gears though, because I want
to talk about the mpfl's.
Speaker 4 (20:43):
Decision and bass Master's decision.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
For forward facing sonar known as FFS as I like
to call it, after the year that everybody has talked
about it, for fuck's sake, that is honestly like, finally,
now we have some information. MLF still hasn't made a
decision yet, but MPFL has decided to ban it completely.
Now this is this is a business move for them,
(21:07):
one hundred percent. This has nothing to do with the
sanctity of fishing and you know what it takes.
Speaker 4 (21:12):
To be an angler and all that kind of stuff.
They're doing that move.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
You can tell me if I'm wrong, but they're doing
that move because they're trying to attract to a different
fishermen who might have been on bass Master, might have
been at MLF is discouraged with what's happening in those organizations,
and they go, look, why don't you come over here,
we're not doing live scope and then come fish with us.
Because they were the last one to the sponsorship bowl.
(21:38):
MLF had already secured some sponsorship. Same with Bass. They
got to do something that separates themselves. I think it's
a brilliant strategy.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
Yeah yeah, And.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
Obviously there was a lot of reasonings going into it,
but I mean it ultimately, at the end of the day,
all the guys at the NFL thought it was their
best business decision move, and you can't knock them for it.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
They they they benefit off of guys like you, Joseph Webster,
John Cox, Kyle Welcher. They benefit off of pros fishing
that trail because it gets a lot of eyes on
their product.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (22:12):
Yeah, So if they can go to like let's say,
the seven.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
Guys who are no longer on bass because they didn't qualify,
and they go, hey, you may not have qualified, you
might not have liked what was over there. There's a
lot of things that you have to do as an
angler that you may not love because you're with BASS
or you're with MLF. Come over here. We're not allowing
Ford facing sonar. We're giving you an opportunity to just
be an angler. You put five thousand dollars up, you
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can win one hundred grand. It's the same exact set
up and payout really at the top.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
Yeah, yeah, down the lines a little bit light payout wise,
but you know, they asked me my opinion, and I
think a couple other guys told them the same thing
is what do you really have to lose from a
And they're nothing to lose, and they do care about
the integrity of it and all that because they kind
of see business wise, like you know, industry wise, kind
(23:04):
of where it's going. And I don't care what people says.
It's not good for the industry, tackle industry. I work
with a bunch of companies tackle wise. Rod wise sales
are not great. Yeah, heartbeats, plastics like like flipping baits,
jig trailers. I mean, I work real close with Zoom,
I have my whole career. It's not good as far
as everything else. Obviously they've come out with a Menno bait,
(23:26):
but all everything else, crank baits, top waters like that's
not buzz bait, spinner baits, that's not happening on even
bait casters. It's not It is not very good. I
don't think people realize how bad it is. But again,
back to the NPFL deal they did Brad Sean, Mike,
you know Paul. They all did what they thought was
the best thing to do for their company. And I
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heard Welcher say this, and I respect Welter a lot
because he has a very level headed mind. They didn't
just go out on a whim and make a decision overnight.
This has been thought through, thought through. They have not
put their all their time and effort into these four
years for it to just them to just throw it
away on making one decision. So they have made what
they thought was best. I was gonna I'm gonna fish
(24:08):
with them, whether they kept it took it away, whatever
I really.
Speaker 4 (24:11):
Am as an angler, why do you fish with them?
Speaker 3 (24:14):
I just really enjoy fishing the trail. For one thing,
I like fishing more. This year I fished more tournaments, obviously,
and I feel like it's made men better angler. But
once I actually got to fish their first tournament, saw
how they did things, saw how they reacted to certain
situations that come up during the year, really impressed me.
How they react to things immediately, they make a decision
(24:37):
right then. Really like that from a leadership standpoint. With them,
just a very enjoyable trail to fish.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
I think there's a lot of good that the MPFL does.
I like their decision that they made because I look
at it from the business side, which is you're attracting
a different group of people, and if you have the
opportunity to build off of some of the pros that
like fishing your trail, because you don't have all the
things that you have to do, there aren't all these
restrictions and all that.
Speaker 4 (25:03):
It just makes sense for guys like you to go
out and fish.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
I will say about Bass's decision, which I think everybody
pretty much knew that decision was coming down the pike,
like the rumors had kind of been there one transducer
mounted on the trolling motor. It can't be the saltwater version.
You can have fifty five inches of total screens.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
You know.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
They're embracing the technology and holding on to it. But
they also didn't want to go extremely overboard. They couldn't
have walked away from it. I don't think that would
have been a smart move for Bass to walk away
from forward facing NPFL has more of an opportunity to
pull people in, and it gives MPFL an opportunity to
do something that some of bass Master and MLF struggles
(25:44):
with MLF. Does you know, like the bfls at the
low level all the way to the Toyota.
Speaker 4 (25:49):
Series and the invitationals.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
MPFL could start to do that and say, hey, for
my guys that want to fish on the weekends, yeah,
we're going to have an MPFL BFL type of thing.
But you can't use forward facing. If you start out
with twenty thirty forty boats, you could maximize that out
to one hundred and fifty. That gives them a different
revenue stream. So I think it's smart.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
There's some money coming in from a different, different angle
right there, which is obviously what everybody's wanting to get
is more. Everybody wants more money in the whole world.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
But you just say, you hear weekend guys. You know,
the guys that like to conveniently fish like they have
no interest in wanting to learn forward facing, And that's cool.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
That's more majority of guys that do all the comment
on the social media is your weekend guys. I mean
they're you know, I get really tired of hearing or
reading it, not really hearing.
Speaker 4 (26:34):
About ffs for fux sake.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
I mean that's in the middle of it.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
But yeah, the the best decision, like kind of obviously
knew that's kind of what it was going to be.
What kind of is a thorn in my side about
it is they it took twelve months and a committee
to come up with that. Like, did we have this
decision made six months ago?
Speaker 1 (26:55):
I feel like we did because everybody everybody pretty much
heard about it, right, you know.
Speaker 4 (26:59):
I mean this exactly what happened.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
Like what they announced was what the rumors were six
months ago. So I don't really understand the whole committee deal.
And that's not my call. I'm not going to make
an opinion on it. I just don't really understand it
why it took so long just to come up with that.
But you know, and what's kind of weird is the
last thing we all heard as a group of anglers
was we kind of had a mutual agreement that half
(27:25):
and half is what the majority of every angler wanted,
whether they loved liscope hated it, Like we were all
mutually agreeing, which is almost impossible to do with bass fisherman.
We had almost mutually agreed like half and half would
be perfect because if you want a true angler of
the year at the end of the year. Let him
be able to use it and take it away from me.
But if he can catch them both ways, he is
(27:45):
a true the best one that year, of the best
in the world. And obviously we didn't get that. I
was still waiting on MPFL to go. You know what,
we're not going to stop there Ford.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
Faces out, but we're also taking everything out except a map,
because that's what you and I talked about about eight
once ago. Yeah, we're like, that could be a move.
Speaker 4 (28:02):
It could be, but I mean it's not feasible.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
I've had it.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
I've gotten into a few discussions about people talking about
how they are comparing Live Scope to two D and Sea.
It's there's there's nothing that compares to it.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
No, and it's only going to get better, and it's
it's going to change the landscape of how all sonar
is done. Like when guys used to use flashers. Ye,
Like when I saw David Fritz had a flasher on
his but I was like, well, here's a throwback.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
Yeah, you know, I think that's I didn't mean to
cut you off.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
That one thing that a lot of us are scared
about is what could it become like it can like
get real fast, real bad, real fast AI and all
that stuff. The way it is in our phones and
stuff like it could it could get out of hand quickly.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
True bass fans are going to be here to witness
and watch it the whole way. That's West Logan, Thanks
so much for listening the lines and times. Make sure
you hit subscribe
Let's get right into lines and Tynes, I'm Spencer. My
buddy Wes Logan from the bass Master Elites joins us,
you haven't really had anything going on this month.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Yeah, no, it's been.
Speaker 3 (00:09):
It's been real docile, not a whole lot going on.
Been at home, just sitting around, not doing anything.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
All right, Can we actually talk about the boat accident
because I've heard you on different podcasts and social posts
and all that kind of stuff, and you were definitely
doing the pr thing where you were like, you know,
you were giving a little bit away, but you were
also holding some things back.
Speaker 4 (00:28):
So tell me exactly what happened.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
Se Yeah, basically, so in a short, long story short,
I'm not gonna make it short, but basically, I was
running from one spot to the other on Champlain the
day two morning, around nine am, and I go to
take off, and I mean the waves aren't big. They're
probably foot and a half maybe two footers on, which
is not anything crazy up north. And I take off
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and I'm running maybe fifty fifty two, but I've got
my nose down and the waves are just far enough
or just close enough that they're kind of eating me
up a little bit. So I just picked the nose
up a little bit, which, in turn, if you've ever
driven a boat, lets the boat speed up a little bit.
So I'm running probably fifty eight, maybe sixty, just kind
of cruising across top the waves. And I got hammered
a little bit for going, you know, ninety five in
(01:15):
those conditions whatever. My boat won't even go close to
what people think it will speed wise. But so I'm
just I had kind of gotten on top of the
waves just just because, I mean, it's a smoother ride
like you're not. I mean, I know how to drive
above and driving a boat longer than I've been driving
a vehicle. And all I can remember is I'm bouncing
across the top of those waves, and all of a sudden,
I come off of one and I hit the other one,
(01:36):
and my boat, the nose of my boat just kicks
straight up, and I don't really know what happened, Like
I obviously I felt something, and I knew I've been
driving that boat for five years. I mean, I've only
been in that boat since I've been on the Elites,
and I knew something happened that wasn't supposed to, and
I knew I was going to have a hard impact
when I hit the water, but I mean, I'm just
bracing for a hard hit and just to keep on rolling.
(01:57):
And obviously when the boat hits the water, for whoever
seeing the video, it obviously takes a one to eighty
and throws me around a good bit. And at some
point in time between that the nose of the boat
going airborne and me hitting the water, the engine breaks
loose from the back of the boat, and that's where
all the throwing around and the boat getting spun around
obviously comes from. A head gets you know, thrown into
(02:21):
the side of the gun or two or three times.
Bust my head, bust my chin, bust all my teeth
on the bottom left side of my you know, jaw,
stuff like that, a lot of blood kind of kind
of threw it, didn't knock me out, kind of threw
me for a loop for a minute. In the video,
I take my life jacket off. But I think I
think that was just habit of me standing up like
(02:42):
it was just everybody was bashing me about that too.
I'm like, man, I did that unconsciously, Like I didn't
even realize I did it.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
I mean, at some point when I looked at the video,
you looked like you were, I mean literally in a
fight with Mike Tyson. You got punched right in the
mouth in the square. So then you're like probably days
you seeing stars.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
So I never, like I said, I never got knocked out.
I've never I never saw stars. And playing football in
high school, like dude, I got rocked like so many times,
like hit way harder than that.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
But what I didn't.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
Get like shook up, and I never like lost my
train of thought what I needed to do. But I
can remember in the video when I stand up and
that first you know, instance of me grabbing my head.
I can remember like the end of the section, last
of your finger is what I could feel.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Like my head busted open. I'm like, ah, that ain't good.
And that's it.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
Like when I felt that I saw the engine about
the same time gone, I took my life. I got off,
grabbed my phone, was trying to wipe it off from
the water.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
Thank god.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
I don't know how my phone stayed in the boat,
Like it just sits in the cup holder beside me,
like it's not attached to anything.
Speaker 4 (03:43):
Down your throttle.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
Yeah, so the skeeter has as we have a cup holder,
like to the right of the seat, like right beside
the gear shift, and I mean it's just sitting there.
Speaker 4 (03:51):
If you were on the left side, that thing's gone though.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely the way the boat got thrown and
maybe that's what saved at the boat getting thrown to
the right kept it, you know, against the tea, the seat.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
It's got a lot of things that it kind of
has to get through.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
But it's crazy.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
Like my phone has no case on it, no nothing,
and it was sitting in water in the cup hoolder.
I just grabbed it, started wiping it off, uh, started
making the phone calls. But but I never, like I said,
I never really lost my Like I was thinking perfectly
clear and even talking to Lisa later, talking to her,
everybody I talked here, they're like you were talking normally,
like pretty like level headed of what's going on, what we.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Need to do, all that stuff. But the worst go ahead.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
I'll tell you what's crazy was watching the video of
the accident and then Riley, your wife who puts up
a lot of your social media stuff, shares a video
of you and the ambulance. Those are two completely different
people because in the boat, like you just got into
an accident, and it it looks gnarly.
Speaker 4 (04:47):
Yah, But when you're in the ambulance, I mean you
look like you just like you.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
Got lit up, like I got drugged down the highway,
Like the blood was all.
Speaker 4 (04:56):
Just coming from your head, like it was that bad. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
My chin, my head were the worst. My chin was
bleeding a lot worse than I than I really realized.
And I didn't until right before they got to pick
me up. I didn't even realize my chin had been
busted open. I guess everything else was kind of The
head was obviously the worst part, but in a non
graphic way. Every time I would take that rag off
my head, it would shoot across the deck of my boat,
like just I could not get.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
It to stall.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
How long until somebody came out and got you?
Speaker 2 (05:22):
An hour? Wow, I was there for an hour. And
it's not anybody's fault.
Speaker 4 (05:26):
Because I just trying to explain where you're at.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
I was trying to figure out to get everybody realized
where I was at. And initially the only really boat
that we had there was the service crew boat, the
Texas Boat world Boat, and there was a little bit
of translation issue, like nobody realized it was an accident.
They thought I'd broke down, so they were like, there
wasn't a sense of urgency.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
Like we'll get out there to him.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
And then all of a sudden, Riley gets over there
and shows them I'd sent her a picture of my head,
and it like everybody's gears changed, like everybody got into
gear and they got out there to me.
Speaker 4 (05:58):
But well, then I heard that.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
You had hit a floating boat dock, like one of
the platforms.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
Yeah, so what what everybody thinks happened is when when
I hit that final wave and like I was telling you,
my boat kicked up like I thought it wasn't supposed
to Like in my mind, I don't think it was
supposed to do that. From what they found the floating
platform they found, it looked like that I had hit
it long ways and like split the two it was
(06:23):
two by six's and had split them kind of into
a V.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Like basically I ramped it.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Because I was hoping that they were going to have
a picture of the boat ramp or the platform and
all that.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Kind of stuff.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
I haven't seen it. They said that they went and
got it. But when you got to remember when all
this is going down. I'm getting sewn up in the hospital,
like just trying to I'm like, I can remember my
head getting like burnt because they're trying to burn the
blood vessel because it won't quit bleeding.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
You're not out there doing the first forty eight. Like,
let me piece things together.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
I'm just worried about I'm talking to I'm talking to
Pa Jack right there. Just I'm like, buddy, you gotta
get me back on the water, like I gotta, I
got stuff I got to do.
Speaker 5 (06:59):
Well.
Speaker 4 (06:59):
I'm happy good.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
You know, obviously I was trying to trade some text
message with you and call you in all that kind
of stuff. But I also knew, like what I was
seeing on social media, I'm late. He's got bigger fish
to fry.
Speaker 5 (07:10):
It was.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
It was a whirlwind of three or four days.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Well, congrats, you've sold more leashes for DD twenty six
than probably anybody ever responsible in bass fishing.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
So, actually Precision SNAr is who owns the leash. Okay,
DD twenty six works with Precisions Soar and helps them
sell some stuff, But the actual company that sells the
leash is Precision Soar. And I told I'm buddies with
the guy, because I've had one on my boat for
like five years, but you never, like I put one
on every time I get a new boat, but you
never think like it's just I'm gonna put this on
(07:42):
because I've had it on, Like you never think you're
gonna need it until you need it, obviously, but I
definitely uh looking at how the engine come off, and
that was That's another thing. The only thing that was
holding that engine to my boat was one steering cable and.
Speaker 4 (07:54):
That leash and that crazy.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
And what a lot of people don't understand is in
an insurance situation, if you don't have the that you
don't get anything. You have to recover that for they
ever will do anything. And I promise you had one
hundred and fifty foot of water, You're not getting that
one back.
Speaker 4 (08:09):
So so I bless that steering cable.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
Yeah, yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
But no, my phone blew up. People were like, hey,
do you see what happened?
Speaker 4 (08:17):
West?
Speaker 1 (08:17):
And I'm like yeah, And obviously because of this podcast,
they were asking me like if you.
Speaker 4 (08:21):
Talk to him, what's the deal?
Speaker 1 (08:22):
And I go, the man's in the hospital, Like I'll yeah,
I'll connect with him.
Speaker 4 (08:27):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
I don't think they'll. I think the first of the
thing from his mind is let me call Spencer and
just talk to him real quick. But I was getting
phone calls from people and they're like, dude, I'm buying
a leash today, And then they were sending me pictures
of my leash just showed up.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
And then they're putting it on their boat and I
don't have one on mine.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
Yeah, I would really as a as a buddy, I
would really rather especially running around here, like I mean,
I run around here, and I didn't buy it for
I thought I was gonna hit something in the middle
of the light, like i'd buy all right, I got
it because I run some sketchy stuff shallow.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
Yeah, because that's just the way I fish.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
And you never think about like you're gonna hit it
out in the middle of basically the ocean. But and
thinking back on it, like everybody couldn't have been a
floating platform. Well, I talked to five different anglers that
morning that ran by one and they were all different
ones in different areas of the lake. Yeah, Like people
don't realize how bad that tropical storm came through that
that day.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
They canceled there's a lot of people don't even realize
that was what.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
It was incredible, how bad the wind was, the weather,
it was literally I've been in a hurricane when it
hit in Florida and it was practically the same thing.
It was pretty sketchy, Like I thought our camper was
gonna flip over.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
It was. It was really bad, but it was just
a freak thing. But like I've told everybody.
Speaker 4 (09:35):
If dude, you went back and fished, had.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
To, man, you got no choice.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
So how many fish did you have in the live
one four? You had four, so you needed five really.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
Absolutely, And what people don't understand about Champlaine is like
three ounces is like five or ten places.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Sure, like it's huge.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
And I knew, like even if I could go back
out there and catch well just a keeper, like it's
gonna give me, you know, saving because I had a
really good first day and I thought, if I could
catch seventeen the second day, I was in the cut
hands down, it wasn't even gonna be no question. And
to get be able to everything line up and then
get me back out there, and and Texas Boat World
have that boat allowed me to go back out there,
(10:11):
and I just I knew I had one place I
could go to. I didn't think they would be big,
but I had one place pretty close. I thought I
could get a bite, and I ran straight to it,
and I put the troull motor down in my third
cast called a three pounter, so like, so there's five,
there's my five, and I'll be honest, no, no, I
caught two, but they weren't. I'm gonna be honest with you.
Once I caught that first one and got five, of
(10:33):
the adrenaline was completely gone. Huh, and I was I
was struggling pretty bad.
Speaker 4 (10:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
I was kind of like not there for the next hour,
and I was like, I got to get back to
the ramp, like.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
I'm not doing good. I'm dizzy, like my head's killing me.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
How did you finish that day, sixtieth? How did you
finished for the tournament?
Speaker 2 (10:51):
I finished it.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
I finished the tournament, Okay, I had fifteen fourteen is
what I ended up having. The fish was actually two fourteen,
but I mean I caught it. The three founder were
going back and looking at the points it gained me
twenty seven points. I would have finished in eighty seventh,
finished in sixtieth and with the way everything played out
at Saint.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
Lawrence, I would have tied.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
If I hadn't went out there and caught that fish,
I would have been tied for the final spot in
the Classic cut.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
And we don't know if I do. We haven't done
the numbers on.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
The tiebreaker yet, obviously, but still, the amount of how
important that two fourteen was was incredible.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
And you know, I was obviously, with us being friends,
I obviously speak really highly about you to everybody, but
I immediately said, that's the most badass student fishing. Yeah, and
I know you're not gonna I know you're going to
take that allay.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
That's nice to say, I mean, but like I was
on the podcast from Mercer the next morning or the
two days after, and he was like, Man, why'd you
like you so toub? I was like, Man, I didn't
do it for me, like I did it for like
my sponsors, Riley, my parents, like you, like all the
support from people that I know how important that Classic
is to get to. From a from a support standpoint,
(12:03):
from a you know, a sponsorship standpoint, Well do we've
worked all year for this and we're gonna let this
kind of keep us down?
Speaker 5 (12:09):
No?
Speaker 1 (12:09):
Man, I ain't not yetitude because if you think about
like somebody who goes to work. Let's say just somebody
goes to work, they have a freak accident, right, they
get workman's comp they're off for the day.
Speaker 4 (12:19):
Yeah, you don't do that. No, we don't get well.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
I mean, the bass can't just give me the twenty
seven points.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
They're like, oh, well, you can't go back out there.
We'll give you.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
But that's why you're such a badass when it comes
to getting back out in the water. Because there's plenty
of people in other professional sports. Like when you hear
about a guy having turf toe and he can't play
this Sunday. Yeah, you sit there and you're like, yeah,
but Wes Logan can smash his face into the gunnel
of a boat, go to the hospital.
Speaker 4 (12:46):
Get stitches, jack up his entire face, his head still
still jack up.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
I mean, and that's lasting. I mean, this is this
is a stark reminder of like the season's over. So
you did all these things to get one fish. That's
all you needed was two pounds fourteen ounces, get you
twenty seven points, put you in a better situation. There's
a lot of guys that would have been like, I'm
just done. I'm not even thinking about what the outcome
campassiblely be.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
I mean I had some really good buddies that called
me and were checking on me out because obviously nobody
knew what happened, like till after weigh in and they
come over to the camper and they're like.
Speaker 4 (13:18):
There ain't no way in hell I would have went
back out there.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
I'm like, well, dude, looking at all the circumstances, like,
how could you not If you're a competitor and you
really like your heart and souls in this, why would
you not go back out there?
Speaker 2 (13:30):
Like the job's not finished.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
I do kind of love the idea that you're in
the middle of nowhere in New York and you're like, well,
I'm here, so I guess I might as well fish.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
Yeah, I mean, like, I mean, what was I gonna do?
Just go sit around? Like if I if I could
stand up. I said a quote to somebody I think
it was on I don't remember what it was on,
but like I think it came from like growing up
in football and my dad coaching me and my football coaches,
like if you're not dead on the field, get up,
that's right, And that was another like, if you're not dead,
go back out there and fish like you owe it
(13:58):
to everybody else.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
So obviously you to find a clip of whoever said that,
and you're gonna have to make that a big part
of your twenty twenty five campaign because you are you're
now the poster child for bad things happening on.
Speaker 4 (14:11):
The water, but also the grit and.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
The resiliency for you to get back out there and
continue to compete, and not only that, people do forget
kind of.
Speaker 4 (14:20):
There was another tournament after that, immediately right into it.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
I mean, so you had no break, no downtime, nothing
to get yourself healthy, and then.
Speaker 4 (14:28):
You got to roll into that.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
Yeah, so we started practice that next Tuesday, But like
so Saturday was obviously the Sunday the day after that,
I went and got on FS one when Mercer went
and worked Yamaha booth. All at this time trying to
figure out how I'm gonna get a boat for Saint
Lawrence and dealing with the insurance companies and all that,
(14:50):
which is a whole different stuffy.
Speaker 4 (14:51):
Bucks Island was so good, do they were?
Speaker 2 (14:53):
Bucks Island was good.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
Everybody that was a part of it, like I would
never have been in the situation I was without all
the help from it, like Bucks is on Texas Boat World,
Skeeter Yamaha, like everybody.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
If I didn't think that you'd feel bad getting caught
dead in the Phoenix, I would have run.
Speaker 4 (15:08):
My boat up for you.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
And you have no idea how many people said I
will be that, I will drive all night to bring.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
You my boat. And I'm like, man, we can we
can handle it. We got it.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
We got I got a lot of people up here
that are taking care of me. But it uh that
that Saint Lawrence week was was very trying, just not
even really.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
I mean I was.
Speaker 3 (15:26):
I mean I told her, I said, I'm just gonna
practice like light, I'll just chill out.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
Well obviously that did.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
I got out there and it was daylight that she
was like, are you coming in? I'm like, there's three
more hours of daylight. I'm just stay out here. But
just all the external stuff that was going on, and
then had some adversity on day one with the borrowed
boat battery situation.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
And I'm like, man, this can't be happening.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
And they caught them way better than I thought they
would we dropped it. It kind of got kind of sketchy
right there on the night of day one looking at
the points for day two. But you know, the Good
Lord bless us on day two to go out there
and catch a really good bag.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
But not trying to make excuses.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
But from that accident, all the way up until Monday,
I've really not had gotten any rest at all because
I wasn't gonna come home because of the MPFL at Saginaw.
Ended up having to drive home twenty hours to pick
up another boat, got to stay home for two days,
get it rid get it way I needed it for Saganaw,
turn around, drove another fourteen hours back up to Saginaw
(16:25):
fish that whole tournament. Finally got home Sunday, late Sunday
night and got in to rest a little bit. The
next you know, the next couple of days we've had here.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
So I just turned the microphone over to Riley and
she shook her head like I don't want to be
on this. Riley is your wife, Riley, You're a big
part of this story though. So when he calls you,
what does he say to you when the accident.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
Happened, I'm hurt, really bad.
Speaker 4 (16:48):
And how do you as his wife?
Speaker 1 (16:50):
I mean, you guys are in your first year of marriage,
you've been together for a while, but what goes through
your mind when you hear that.
Speaker 5 (16:58):
Well, as a nurse, I'm just like, okay, well I
need to get to him. Where is he? So ask
Hi where he is? He says, he's out in the
middle of the lake. I'm like, okay, well, what's hurt?
He said? My head? I said, do you have something
to put on it? He's like, yeah, I have a rag.
I'm like, okay, well we'll figure out.
Speaker 4 (17:12):
Covered in grease too, by the way, yeah, but a.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Bunch of eggs.
Speaker 5 (17:18):
So then I just knew it was my duty to
try to figure out how to get him back to shore.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
When you see him, when you finally you lay eyes
on him, it was.
Speaker 5 (17:28):
About like I expected, because I knew he was down
playing it a lot, and I just I'm I mean,
being in the profession I'm in, I know, like kids
bleed a lot. Yeah, I mean it was what I expected.
I think everybody else was like freaking out and big eyed.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
But dude, when I pulled up to that dot, that
was like fifteen people stand there and it was like
they had seen a goat.
Speaker 4 (17:49):
Everybody was just silent.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
I was like, God, but I can imagine like coming
in it because when I the worst part about it
was when Jackie came and got me from texta boat
where with his boat. I got in his boat and
drove myself back in like seven minutes, and I couldn't
hold my hand on my head anymore because of the
ways were beating me up so bad. So it was
coming on and off and there was like a blood
(18:13):
tornado around. Oh my god, and everything like I could
see Plattsburgh and everything started getting kind of quiet, and
my head was I was like, I've got to get
to that ramp for I'm about to I'm literally about
to pass out. And I got to the ramp or
the dog and I just remember everybody. I could barely
see people because of all the blood, and they were
just like And then the MT got to hold up me,
and I was like, how long is this gonna take? Oh,
It's gonna be a wow.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
Riley does a lot of your social stuff, probably ninety
eight percent of it. You did a great job documenting everything.
I know, I kind of told you that before we
got into this, but during it too, being able to
play that stuff out like you're taking video in the ambulance. Well,
I mean that was the most chaotic scene I think
I've ever seen in my life. But then you know,
watching him go back down the ramp and then getting
(18:55):
back on a boat going out and to compete, like
you guys played the story out perfect because there were
so many people that wanted to know.
Speaker 4 (19:02):
So kudos to you on that, righty.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
She was she was literally the the what held everything together.
She was the calmst she got it was getting people
in line, So shout out to her. Her And I mean,
obviously Lisa called Lisa right off the bat called Lisa,
then called Riley. When I called my dad and got
we were they were all just trying to figure out
how to get to get McGinn or Doug.
Speaker 4 (19:25):
Right, yeah, what did Doug say? Doug with Doug kind
of like, I said, what the hell is going on?
I said, he.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
Said, I was.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
I was when I was caught angel. He's like, hell,
I said, hey, we got a problem. I've wacked blah
blah blah blah.
Speaker 4 (19:40):
What hell you mean?
Speaker 2 (19:41):
You wreck?
Speaker 5 (19:42):
You?
Speaker 3 (19:42):
Okay, I'm like I'm fine, I'm fine, I said, I
just need to get a boat out here. To me,
like I'm busting up a little bit, but I need
to get another boat so I can fish. I ain't
got before. And I just kept telling everybody I've only
got four I can fish.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
I'm fine. Just wrap it up and obviously what it
was worse than that.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
But would best not let you go unless the doctor
said that you were cleared.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Yes, I had to get the PA. What was a PA?
A physician to system.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
He had to get on the phone with Lisa and
okay me to be able to go operate a vessel
during tournament.
Speaker 4 (20:11):
Out, I have to slide him like fifty bucks, like, dude,
I really need you.
Speaker 5 (20:14):
Man.
Speaker 4 (20:14):
I didn't.
Speaker 3 (20:14):
I didn't give them anything, but dude, they were like
they like missed some of their lunch breaks to get
me going.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
And it was, man.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
Once I got in there and I kind of explained
to him what was going on, they were like they
kicked it into another gear and it was. It was
pretty incredible. And I basically owe everything to them because
they did. I mean, it was all I couldn't have
done it.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
I'm glad, you're good. I'm glad everything worked out. I mean,
obviously it was a kaout a couple of weeks, almost
three weeks for you, and it really probably hasn't slown down.
I do want to switch gears though, because I want
to talk about the mpfl's.
Speaker 4 (20:43):
Decision and bass Master's decision.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
For forward facing sonar known as FFS as I like
to call it, after the year that everybody has talked
about it, for fuck's sake, that is honestly like, finally,
now we have some information. MLF still hasn't made a
decision yet, but MPFL has decided to ban it completely.
Now this is this is a business move for them,
(21:07):
one hundred percent. This has nothing to do with the
sanctity of fishing and you know what it takes.
Speaker 4 (21:12):
To be an angler and all that kind of stuff.
They're doing that move.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
You can tell me if I'm wrong, but they're doing
that move because they're trying to attract to a different
fishermen who might have been on bass Master, might have
been at MLF is discouraged with what's happening in those organizations,
and they go, look, why don't you come over here,
we're not doing live scope and then come fish with us.
Because they were the last one to the sponsorship bowl.
(21:38):
MLF had already secured some sponsorship. Same with Bass. They
got to do something that separates themselves. I think it's
a brilliant strategy.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
Yeah yeah, And.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
Obviously there was a lot of reasonings going into it,
but I mean it ultimately, at the end of the day,
all the guys at the NFL thought it was their
best business decision move, and you can't knock them for it.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
They they they benefit off of guys like you, Joseph Webster,
John Cox, Kyle Welcher. They benefit off of pros fishing
that trail because it gets a lot of eyes on
their product.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (22:12):
Yeah, So if they can go to like let's say,
the seven.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
Guys who are no longer on bass because they didn't qualify,
and they go, hey, you may not have qualified, you
might not have liked what was over there. There's a
lot of things that you have to do as an
angler that you may not love because you're with BASS
or you're with MLF. Come over here. We're not allowing
Ford facing sonar. We're giving you an opportunity to just
be an angler. You put five thousand dollars up, you
(22:36):
can win one hundred grand. It's the same exact set
up and payout really at the top.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
Yeah, yeah, down the lines a little bit light payout wise,
but you know, they asked me my opinion, and I
think a couple other guys told them the same thing
is what do you really have to lose from a
And they're nothing to lose, and they do care about
the integrity of it and all that because they kind
of see business wise, like you know, industry wise, kind
(23:04):
of where it's going. And I don't care what people says.
It's not good for the industry, tackle industry. I work
with a bunch of companies tackle wise. Rod wise sales
are not great. Yeah, heartbeats, plastics like like flipping baits,
jig trailers. I mean, I work real close with Zoom,
I have my whole career. It's not good as far
as everything else. Obviously they've come out with a Menno bait,
(23:26):
but all everything else, crank baits, top waters like that's
not buzz bait, spinner baits, that's not happening on even
bait casters. It's not It is not very good. I
don't think people realize how bad it is. But again,
back to the NPFL deal they did Brad Sean, Mike,
you know Paul. They all did what they thought was
the best thing to do for their company. And I
(23:48):
heard Welcher say this, and I respect Welter a lot
because he has a very level headed mind. They didn't
just go out on a whim and make a decision overnight.
This has been thought through, thought through. They have not
put their all their time and effort into these four
years for it to just them to just throw it
away on making one decision. So they have made what
they thought was best. I was gonna I'm gonna fish
(24:08):
with them, whether they kept it took it away, whatever
I really.
Speaker 4 (24:11):
Am as an angler, why do you fish with them?
Speaker 3 (24:14):
I just really enjoy fishing the trail. For one thing,
I like fishing more. This year I fished more tournaments, obviously,
and I feel like it's made men better angler. But
once I actually got to fish their first tournament, saw
how they did things, saw how they reacted to certain
situations that come up during the year, really impressed me.
How they react to things immediately, they make a decision
(24:37):
right then. Really like that from a leadership standpoint. With them,
just a very enjoyable trail to fish.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
I think there's a lot of good that the MPFL does.
I like their decision that they made because I look
at it from the business side, which is you're attracting
a different group of people, and if you have the
opportunity to build off of some of the pros that
like fishing your trail, because you don't have all the
things that you have to do, there aren't all these
restrictions and all that.
Speaker 4 (25:03):
It just makes sense for guys like you to go
out and fish.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
I will say about Bass's decision, which I think everybody
pretty much knew that decision was coming down the pike,
like the rumors had kind of been there one transducer
mounted on the trolling motor. It can't be the saltwater version.
You can have fifty five inches of total screens.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
You know.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
They're embracing the technology and holding on to it. But
they also didn't want to go extremely overboard. They couldn't
have walked away from it. I don't think that would
have been a smart move for Bass to walk away
from forward facing NPFL has more of an opportunity to
pull people in, and it gives MPFL an opportunity to
do something that some of bass Master and MLF struggles
(25:44):
with MLF. Does you know, like the bfls at the
low level all the way to the Toyota.
Speaker 4 (25:49):
Series and the invitationals.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
MPFL could start to do that and say, hey, for
my guys that want to fish on the weekends, yeah,
we're going to have an MPFL BFL type of thing.
But you can't use forward facing. If you start out
with twenty thirty forty boats, you could maximize that out
to one hundred and fifty. That gives them a different
revenue stream. So I think it's smart.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
There's some money coming in from a different, different angle
right there, which is obviously what everybody's wanting to get
is more. Everybody wants more money in the whole world.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
But you just say, you hear weekend guys. You know,
the guys that like to conveniently fish like they have
no interest in wanting to learn forward facing, And that's cool.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
That's more majority of guys that do all the comment
on the social media is your weekend guys. I mean
they're you know, I get really tired of hearing or
reading it, not really hearing.
Speaker 4 (26:34):
About ffs for fux sake.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
I mean that's in the middle of it.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
But yeah, the the best decision, like kind of obviously
knew that's kind of what it was going to be.
What kind of is a thorn in my side about
it is they it took twelve months and a committee
to come up with that. Like, did we have this
decision made six months ago?
Speaker 1 (26:55):
I feel like we did because everybody everybody pretty much
heard about it, right, you know.
Speaker 4 (26:59):
I mean this exactly what happened.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
Like what they announced was what the rumors were six
months ago. So I don't really understand the whole committee deal.
And that's not my call. I'm not going to make
an opinion on it. I just don't really understand it
why it took so long just to come up with that.
But you know, and what's kind of weird is the
last thing we all heard as a group of anglers
was we kind of had a mutual agreement that half
(27:25):
and half is what the majority of every angler wanted,
whether they loved liscope hated it, Like we were all
mutually agreeing, which is almost impossible to do with bass fisherman.
We had almost mutually agreed like half and half would
be perfect because if you want a true angler of
the year at the end of the year. Let him
be able to use it and take it away from me.
But if he can catch them both ways, he is
(27:45):
a true the best one that year, of the best
in the world. And obviously we didn't get that. I
was still waiting on MPFL to go. You know what,
we're not going to stop there Ford.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
Faces out, but we're also taking everything out except a map,
because that's what you and I talked about about eight
once ago. Yeah, we're like, that could be a move.
Speaker 4 (28:02):
It could be, but I mean it's not feasible.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
I've had it.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
I've gotten into a few discussions about people talking about
how they are comparing Live Scope to two D and Sea.
It's there's there's nothing that compares to it.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
No, and it's only going to get better, and it's
it's going to change the landscape of how all sonar
is done. Like when guys used to use flashers. Ye,
Like when I saw David Fritz had a flasher on
his but I was like, well, here's a throwback.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
Yeah, you know, I think that's I didn't mean to
cut you off.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
That one thing that a lot of us are scared
about is what could it become like it can like
get real fast, real bad, real fast AI and all
that stuff. The way it is in our phones and
stuff like it could it could get out of hand quickly.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
True bass fans are going to be here to witness
and watch it the whole way. That's West Logan, Thanks
so much for listening the lines and times. Make sure
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