April 17, 2025 • 35 mins
Nick Baumgardner, senior writer and draft analyst from The Athletic joins the show to talk some NFL draft prospects as we near the 2025 NFL Draft. Also, who is going to shine at the next level in the NFL, and who will fizzle out. Marc then discusses the betting odds for the Top 7 picks are all in minus territory, meaning the oddsmakers have put a greater than 50 percent chance on one particular player landing at that particular pick.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
In the twenty twenty five NFL Draft, the Seattle Seahawks
should draft.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Whom So I like Tyler Booker for Seattle, the Alabama guard.
You know, I've been We've been talking for years now
that Seattle needs to fix that interior the offensive line
right or just the offensive line in general, and get
some more beef in there, some more reliability in terms
of the run game. And I feel like Booker is
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one of these guys, one of the rare guards who
physically is ready to come into the NFL at a
pretty young age and just hang and be eventually probably
be a dominant player. And I think that he would
be a perfect bit for Seattle. You can also say
Grey Zabel get for north Court to State to like
him a lot too. But for me, you know, there's
some other needs there as well. But I feel like
this is a really good chance for them to hammer
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that thing down and fix the inside of that offensive
linecause I feel like it's pretty necessary at this point.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
Do you feel though that Grey's Abel would be maybe
a little bit of an overdraft at eighteen though, could
be he could be.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
I mean, it depends on what you're looking for, and
it depends on what you're what you want. I suppose
you know Zabel's the best part about his game is
at versatility. He can play center, re guard, he will
played tackle in college. I think he's more of an
interior guy. But I do think I do think it's
important to note that I don't think he's one of
the guys that you know at a lower level, he
was dominant. I think it's gonna translate. I mean, he
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was very good at the Senior Bowl, maybe the best
lineman there. Really really smart player with the terrific work ethics.
So it wouldn't shock me that might be a little
bit of a reach. But this is a weird draft
and in terms of there's not a ton of blue
chip town in this draft, and I think it's going
to be interesting to see how everyone's board sort of stands,
because I don't think there's gonna be too many that
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are that are very similar. I think it's gonna be
kind of all over the place this year, So we'll
see how it goes.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
Nick bomb Gardner from the Athletic here on MJ in
the midday on the Beacon Plumbing Hotline and Sports Radio
ninety three three kg RFM SO that being said, I
was just talking about with andrews Hurst, who got you
on the show today, about what if a scenario presented
itself where the.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
Hawks had a chance to move up.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
They've got a lot of draft capital, Nick, They've got
five of the top ninety two picks in the draft,
two in the second round, two in the third round.
Would you take a chance in crack that top ten
to maybe? And I think the dance partner would have
to be perhaps the Carolina Panthers at eight. And the
reason why I say that, Nick, is because I believe,
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like what everybody's looking at now, that it looks like
almost a foregone conclusion that Shader Sanders will go to
New Orleans at nine, and then if Tyler Warren's still
there at ten, you'd think that the Bears would select
him there. So I would imagine Carolina would be a
nice potential trade partner there. Would you trade up there?
And if you did, if you say yes, what would
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you be willing to give up? If you're the Hawks
to go up to number eight?
Speaker 2 (02:52):
You know, that's an interesting one. I don't know if
you know they have a necessarily like a woe need
that they could address up there, but depend on a board.
I guess you know. The one would be Tet mcmill
and the big receiver. I suppose if they like him,
if they're you know, on him, obviously they just lost
DK and Locket, if they're able to say, hey, we
like him, we're not worried about the forty, which I'm not.
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I think he's gonna be a really good football player,
big guy, big target, can be a guy who's used
to playing over there and he's your guy for a
long long time. That would be one that would be
interesting for me. If not him, you know.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
I suppose Tyler Warren, Tyler Warrens who were talking about if.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
You like Tyler Warren, if you like Tyler Warren or
Colson Loveland, then yeah, I think it's all about you.
Could you could do it. The other two would be
those offensive linemen that are slipping. If they slip Membo
or Campbell. But Warren, yeah, I mean Tyler Warren three
three down tight end. Colson Loveland I think is right
there with him too, the kid from Michigan. It's sort
of either or for me, and I think a lot
of teams would probably agree with that. But yes, I
think that that would be, you know, a quality move
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for a team like Seattle, because again that's addressing. You know,
your run game and your pass game with that tight
end position there, those two are elite. And in terms
of what I would give up, you know, I wouldn't
be afraid if those are my guys and I say, hey,
one of those guys is my guy, and I love them,
and I'm Seattle, and I say, got to have him
because I think it's gonna help everything we're doing. It's
gonna help darnold, it's gonna help the run game everything else.
Then I wouldn't be afraid to give up, maybe even
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a little bit more than you normally would. I think normally,
if you're going up from eighteen to eight, you know
you're looking at probably throwing a second rounder in there.
I don't think you're gonna give up maybe a second
round or maybe a third, maybe a second and a
third plus your own pick. You know, it depends on,
you know, how desperate Carolina is to get out of there.
I think they probably should be pretty desperate, so I
think you could actually get away with the you know,
maybe a deal on that one too, depending on how
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the board looks for Carolina because there's again, they need
so many things and they might be actually pretty good
trade partner for them. So this draft is all going
to depend on how those quarterbacks come off and then
what happens with you know, talent sliding down the board.
Because also, if you're Seattle, you're sitting there at eighteen,
it could be a real situation where hey, we want
a corner, let's say, and maybe Will Johnson, the kid
from Michigan is falling, or you know, you want a receiver,
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and maybe if mc millan is falling a little bit too.
So I think that you could play the board in
this in this draft if you're Seattled there in the middle,
and see what happens.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
The only guy, Nick Baumgardner, I would want to move
up for would be Tyler Warren. And to me, I
think a buyer be ware you mentioned, sir, No way
I would ever move up ten spots. I wouldn't even
take tenor Rowan McMillan at eighteen. First of all, I
wouldn't take care on him, well not only him. But
here's the thing too, Nick, is that so I look
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at the Seahawks, and you look at this and overall
and yeah, you lose DK Metcalf, you get rid of
Tyler Lockett, you're bringing Cooper cup and Marquez Valdez Gantling
JSN I think is ready to take this step to
be a one. So with all that being said, I
look at you, look at the interior, and that's why
I kind of your pick on Tyler Booker. I think
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that either him or Kelvin Banks Junior, I'm good on
either one of those guys, or like you said, maybe
Will Campbell he's got short arms, who knows, maybe he
drops to eighteen. But I think taking a wide receiver,
no matter who would be, even if it was to
McMillan at eighteen, it's like the foundation of your house
is cracking and you're completely infested with termites, so you
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go out and buy a car.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
It feel you really agree?
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Yeah? Right, Yeah, for where Seattle's that, I completely agree.
I think that both both lines, really both sides of
the ball. I think that they need to address and
continue to fortify. Obviously, the offensive line, like we said,
is one that seems to always be a topic of conversation.
But I mean, Mike McDonald, you know that that entire
defense is predicated around do we have somebody over the ball,
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you know who is you know the last year they
took young. I think they could add more to it
in this defensive tackle class or this edge class if
a guy slides down as well. So for me, if
I'm Seattle, I'm still trying to figure out or fix
the lines or fortify him, I guess more than anything else,
and try to get some more depths in their more
quality pieces. Just like you said, I mean, it's hard
to rely on much offensively when you don't have a
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running The run game protects the quarterback in so many ways,
and I think we feel for a guy like Darnald
that would really really help him out if you can
able to established a real run game so that he
doesn't have to put everything on his shoulders. Obviously, if
it's a better offensive line's keeping him up right, all
those good things like that, And like you mentioned, I mean,
they've done a nice job of adding pieces to that
receiver room. I agree with you on Jackson. I think
he's a really good football player and I think he's
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going to be one that's going to be good for
a long long time. So if I'm Seattle, I'm still
focused on can I fix the offensive line here maybe
on Day one and Day two, you know, can I
fix the offensive line on the defensive line on both
of those in both those first two days, Like you mentioned,
five picks in the top one hundred, whatever it was,
I think they have a real opportunity to real opportunity
there to make up some ground in that area.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Nick bomb Gardner, Senior writer in draft analysts from the Athletic.
I want to ask you this. Let's look at the
end of the Seahawks season. They missed the playoffs for
the second straight year, and I mean it was a
ten win season, but that tenth win was with an
asterisk because the Rams lagged down that they laid down
that day.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
They didn't play any of their starters. So we all
know what happened there.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Okay, all that being said, gone is Gino Smith gone?
Speaker 3 (07:59):
Is the k Metcalf gone?
Speaker 1 (08:00):
As Tyler Lockett, Here comes Sam Donald, here comes Cooper
cup and and then you add Marcus Valdez Gantling and
you know DeMarcus Lawrence. You get a second and third
round pick for DK and Gino. Do you think the
Seahawks are are a better team today than they were
the day when the season.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
Ended, I think that they're I think that they have
more hope today, you know, And it will depend on
what they do with the draft, you know, and everything else.
But I think that they've done a nice job of
pivoting out of some things that they were gonna have
to address it one way or another. Geno wasn't gonna
be the answer forever. You know, we'll see about Sam Donald.
I like Sam Donald if you can help them and
you can build around him, and I think they have
an opportunity to do that. But like you mentioned, the
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best thing I like about this is they've collected enough
draft assets, you know, for for for a young coach
to sort of give him the things that he needs
to make this thing to make it a go. Get younger,
get tougher inside, and then make yourself, you know, put
yourself in a position to be in position, because I
feel like last year they were a team that was
sort of hanging on but spy, you know, but going
in the wrong direction, I guess going downhill, maybe not
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a steep, you know, downhill fall off. They weren't bad,
but I think if you looked at the things that
were sort of driving the bus there, it was time
to move on and make some adjustments. And I think
they've done that. And depending on how they perform in
this draft, obviously, but I think they have an opportunity
to be in a position to be much better. Yes,
I think that, you know what we could I could not.
I could easily see a situation where we're sitting there
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midyear and saying, Wow, they've really flipped this thing around
and it looks like, not only are they gonna be
good for now, but also you can say, you know,
a couple of years down the road too, to where
it's not okay, well, this guy's wearing out. We got
to move him out. We got to change this, we
got to change that. You know, I think a lot
of that has been taken care of here and they
now have some flexibility to sort of add and get younger,
which you know is what you want to do here
through the draft.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
Nick bomb Gardner, senior NFL writer and draft analysts from
The Athletic. Nick, here's the name I'm gonna throw at you.
Let's just say Tyler Booker. And let's just say they
don't go O line there. Let's just for argument's sake,
say Nick Emmon worry from from South Carolina. Look, but
what about this guy in the second round with one
of their two second round picks, Donovan Jackson, guard Ohio State.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
How would he fit in this Clint Kubiak offense.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
I think that's perfect and that's a perfect you know,
draft pick for them at some point. I don't know
how far he's going to slide, but I would even
maybe consider moving up in the second round if he's
if he's hanging out there after the first because that's
the guy who played most of his career at guard
at Ohio State and was very good. He's very very
good athlete, really long, all that good stuff. And then
when Josh Simmons went down earlier in the year, he
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sled up the tackle and was terrific for them. You know,
he played tackle for the whole second half of the
season on through the national championship run and showed that
he can kind of hang in there and do that. So,
I mean I look at him as a guy who
could maybe have maybe he give you multiple answers to
multiple problems or depending on what you need, or who
who turns the corner. You know, we'll see, you know,
Charles Crosses on the team. We'll see if he can
you know, if you don't need to tackle, maybe he
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can go inside and play guard. If you end up
needing a tackle, he can do that. So Jackson is
one of those guys, you know, whereas Booker I think
is the more dominant run blocker. Tyler Booker is only
ever going to be a guard and you know, probably
only a right guard, with Jackson a lot more wagbel room.
And for a team like Seattle, Yes, I think that
that's a really sharp idea. And again I think you
played the board for him. You know, I think if
he's if he's sliding down and you're at eighteen and
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he's still on the board, and you think he can
make it even further, maybe I trade down again and
see if I could get some more picks at more
you know, bites at the apple and also still get
the guy won. But I think that's another terrific fit.
That's that's another reason why I like Zabel for them
somewhere along the way, another guy who can play multiple spots.
But Jackson maybe even more so because you know, we
know what he can do at a high level. He
already did in college.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
So we're both Bullishawn Jackson.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
You mentioned Tyler Booker there you would look at at eighteen,
and we talked about Gray's a bowl. You don't want
to overdraft him. Gonna throw another name there out you
out who was a tenor Rowa McMillan's teammate at Arizona.
Jonah savanaa guard out of those guards, savonaa Booker, Jackson, Okay,
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and Zabel If you got a crystal ball, none of
us do, because we did, we'd be making a lot
more money. Right, nobody's got that crystal ball, But let's
just pretend you do. We looked five years from now,
who's gonna be the best guard out of all four
of those guys?
Speaker 2 (12:12):
Oh? Man, that's a really good question. I would also
add Tate Ratledge just get from Georgia.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
Oh, I love him. Throw him in there, throw him
in there.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
And frankly, for me, it's it's it's maybe Booker or
rat Ledge. I really like Tate Ratledge. And I know
that you know there's some limitation with him too, uh,
in terms of he's a little got the shorter arms,
and he's not gonna be able to play tackle and
he's probably a guard only. But rat Ledge is another
one of these guys who just moves people on a
consistent basis. He's explosive, he's quick, he can pull and
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do all those good things as well. But that was
a guy who played a long time at Georgia, and
as we know, you hang in the end. That's what
That's one of the reasons I like Booker, I like Banks.
These guys that if you can hang in the sec
and do it at a young age and perform, you know,
consistently throughout the course of your career, that I'm I'm
usually going to bet on you. So Ratledge is a
guy that I really really like a lot, and I
can understand why he slides out of most people's first round.
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It's hard to take a guard. He's got to be
kind of a phenomenal type player, or a guy like
Banks who can play tackle, hand guard, that kind of thing.
But you know, Booker, Banks, and Ratledge I think are
the top three for me. And it wouldn't surprise me
if rat leg ends up being the guy when it's
als said and done.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
Oh I like it.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
Nick bomb Gardner, Senior draft writer, Senior draft analyst, NFL
writer here from the Athletic I'm going to give you
a couple more names. So we talked about Tyler Warren
and Colston Loveland. Let's look maybe towards the middle of
the second in third rounds and look at two guys,
one of them I got to see up close, Elijah
Arroyo from the U and Gunner Helm out of Texas.
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Could one of these two guys end up being better
than Warner Loveland?
Speaker 2 (13:46):
Well so, I mean, Arroyo could be just a freaky,
freaky dude at some point here. That's that's a really
interesting pick for whoever ends up getting him. I mean,
this is a two hundred and fifty pound receiver, I
mean no other and he is a willing blocker. He's
not a bad blocker. He'll put his thickest nose in
there and do the things you want him to do.
But this is like a more physical version of Kyle
Pitts in some ways, or at least in that mold
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right Like, I'm not sure he's not as athletic as
Kyle was coming out, but he did so much in
the air, was really good off the ball, really good
in all areas. They split him out, they put him
in the slot, they did all those good things with him,
and I think he was terrific. So I think he's
easily someone in the top one hundred, Mandy creeping up
to the top fifty before it's all sudden done with
all the things he can.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
Do, and then Helm.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
Yeah, I think people are sleeping on him. He did
not have a good combine. He got hurt at the
combine and played through it and also was one of
the few Texas guys who tested at the combine after
having that long playoff. So there's a lot of people
who are like, man, what are you doing? Like why
are you doing all this? But for me, it's like
this dude's a football player, like and you turn the
tape on and he's really good. I mean he's right
there with Terrence Ferguson and some of those guys in
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the middle there that it wouldn't I think before those
numbers came out, he might have been a second or
third round guy. But now you know he could slide,
and I definitely think he's a guy you know him,
Harold Fan and Terrence Ferguson, even Mitch Evans from Notre Dame.
I think this is a really really good tight end
class that goes like seven deep. Mason Taylor from LSU,
who I think is a fringe first round pick, is
one of my favorite kids in the draft. I mean,
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he's the youngest player in the draft. Jason Taylor's son,
Zach Thomas's nephew, and just a really really smooth shark
football player who's got a lot of good ball in
front of him.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
Yes, also the nephew of Joey Taylor as well. Give
me a by the way, Dick.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
By the way, Nick, you and I just had a
do you ever see the movie The Shining Yeah, we
just had a nonverbal communication.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
Moment with you. That was great.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
All right, give me a buyer beware pick maybe more
than one, I told you McMillan. And for me, also,
I can't get over Shador Sanders. I to me, this
guy's gonna go one of two ways. He's gonna be
unbelievable or he's gonna be than like Johnny Manziel, I'm
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telling you don't I don't know.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
I just can't quite pinpoint on this guy.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
The like the ceiling is off the char I think
his ceiling is even higher than my guy cam Ward.
But there's something there. I just but I don't want to.
I don't wanna uh you know, influence the witness on
the stand. Give me your buyer beware pick well.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
I would say Shadoor is in that category if you're
talking about him in the top ten, and I think
that that includes New Orleans and obviously the guy's in
the top three too. But for me, Shador has to
go to a team that is decent. Like he reminds
me so much of bo Nick's last year when Bonix
goes to the bronco Hes goes to a really good coach.
They had some pieces, he's a smart player and they
made it work. If Shadour were to go to like
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the Steelers or somewhere like this and even could have
a year to sit and learn, I think that could
end up being a really really good pick. If he
goes to the Giants or the Browns, that I think
I would buy that being a mess before I would
buy you know, anything else there. So he is absolutely
one based on where he's gonna go. I'll give you
another one in the defensive lineman class, because this is
a really good defensive tackle class. Kenneth Grant, the kid
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from Michigan, you know, really good athlete, you know, and
all the reports out of Michigan coming out, you know
when he was like a sophomore, where this is a
freaky athlete who's going to test off the charts and
do all these things. But you know what he played
next to Mason Graham, who was the best defensive tackle
in the class by far his entire career. He was
a flash player, and he did not test at the combine.
He was hurt all off season. I don't think he
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was in great shape all off season. He's also really young.
There's a lot of technique issues there that need to
get ironed out. There's a lot of physical stuff that
you look at him and say, the traits are amazing,
but you know, I don't know. It's I don't know
how high I would go with him. You know. I've
seen people talk to me about him in the top
fifteen or something, and I'm like, I don't know about that.
I would kind of wait on him. And Walter Nolan,
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the kid from Old Miss, are kind of familiar, are
similar dudes, and that they're both very good athletes, flash players,
but it's not super consistent. And for me, when this
class is that good and we go down the list,
you're talking about guys like Tyler Williams and Darius alexand
Elferd Collins. These guys are really solid, sturdy players. You're
gonna get a little bit further down because they're not,
as you know, freakish athletically. I would rather have guys
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like that because I think they're safer picks than the
flash player who's you know, who might look like a
really good athlete one minute and then just disappear for
the next quarter. So Grant is one that I have
been a little cooler on, I think than a lot
of people.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
Nick bomb Gardner, senior NFL writer and draft analysts from
The Athletic. Nick appreciate it, Appreciate the time, and again
I like to just throw this out there.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
We'll make it work.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
With Christopher Kid, I want to get you on again
before the draft, maybe even after it, just to I mean, man,
you nailed it, you really did. And by the way,
I love the shining moment that we had together. Yeah,
those perfect love it anytime guys.
Speaker 3 (18:45):
Follow on Twitter? Yeah that should.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
Jason Tailor goes, Yeah, he's the son of Jason Taylor.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
I'm waiting for it.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
The nephew of Zach Thomas, and I'm going yeah, and
then I got more one hard to go, one warn
to go love it. Hey, Hey, it's I'm just staying
to fact. I'm not saying anything. I think I listen.
I think I'll just say this. I think she is
really good on the air, amazing, so I but I
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just had to throw that in there, like like, I
just for this kid. I just Mason, when you get
to the NFL, they're gonna be guys on the other side,
and they're gonna be coming at you, and they're gonna
be saying your aunt's name, and they're gonna be just
be beware, beware of that, because it's gonna be coming.
And it's just you gotta don't let those guys psych
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you out before a game. And it sucks that he
has to go through this because he didn't do anything
wrong and either did his dad or his uncle Zach Thomas.
But you know, I mean, you know, sometimes it's just
you can't help who you're related to.
Speaker 4 (19:53):
No, you can't choose your parents.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
Or your aunts, no right, or your aunts all right?
Who who is overrated and who deserves the hype Going
into next week's NFL Draft. We'll get to that next
right here on MJ in the midday on ninety three
to three, kJ Artam. The worst thing the Seattle Seahawks
can do is take this player who's projected to perhaps
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fall to number eighteen, and he is the textbook definition
of over rated.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
Tedor Roa McMillan.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
And I will give you a name because I've seen
it before when I was in Boston in twenty nineteen
and the Patriots instead of taking dk metcalf aj Brown,
Terry McLaurin, Deebo Samuel, they took a guy by the
name of Nikhiel Harry Arizona State. Well, I'm gonna give
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you the Nikiel Harry of the twenty twenty five NFL Draft.
A lot of people, you know, they'll they'll kind of
pussy foot around and say this, oh, this guy, and
they I'm gonna put my line and dig if I
wish I had Farragamo shoes because I can't afford them,
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but if I could afford salvatory Farragamo shoes, I would
dig them in the sand. That Tetoroha McMillan will be
the Nikhil Harry of the twenty twenty five NFL Draft.
He's got bust written all over them. As matter of fact,
I'm calling him a bust. Do not And I am
hoping and I will. Actually I think I'm gonna be there.
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I like Purple Sheet told me that even after my show,
he wants me to go out to the Virginia Mason
Athletics Center next Thursday and I'll be out there for
the Seahawks pick. And I will tell you something, anders Hurst,
And to the fine folks in the listening audience, you.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
Ready for this one.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
I'm gonna drop this one on you because in twenty eighteen,
I was a member of this network that is the
flagship for the Bruins and that horrible team that plays
in Fenway Park, the Red Sox, and I had to
go cover the Patriot draft that night. And the Patriots
had two draft picks that night in the first round.
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One of them, they took Isaiah Win out of Georgia,
who was all right, not great, but they ended up
parting waves with them. And they had another pick in
that first round, and there was a certain team picking
there at thirty two, and I said it time and
time again, and the Patriots took a running back out
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of the same school, Georgia by the name of Sony Michelle,
who I referred to as Phony Michelle, and they took
Isaiah Win and Sony Michelle over Lamar Jackson, future two
time be three time MVP. So when people like.
Speaker 5 (23:04):
Oh, Mark, you think you know more than Bill Belichick,
a guy who's won six Super Bowl guess what when
it comes to drafting skilled position players in the first round,
I do no more than Bill Belichick.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
I do.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
And I can go through a litany of horrible picks
Chad Jackson out of Florida, and we could go on
and on and on of bad picks that Bill Belichick
is taking, including nikiel Ethyn Harry. Well, the nikiel Harry
of this draft is Tetoroa McMillan.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
He is going to be a bust with a capital B.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
And if does Seahawks take him with the eighteenth pick,
and I'm at the Virginia Mason Athletics Center, I'm gonna
lose my ish. I will lose my I believe you
me because I listen. I have a premonition when it
comes to certain things, and when it comes to bus
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in this world, I don't know what it is. When
it comes to bust in the NFL Draft, in the
first round in the NBA draft, I can just see,
I can pinpoint and say that guy is going to
be a bust. And I'm telling you today, on April seventeenth,
one week before next week's draft, Tetoroha McMillan has got
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bust written all over him. I'm telling you, do not
do it, John Schneider, do not. I am praying he
gets taken prior to eighteen. Praying because I think if
he's there at eighteen, Schneider will be tempted to pull
the trigger on McMillan and it will be a monumental
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fail with a capital F. I cannot overstate this enough.
He's got bust written all over him. Why because number one, okay,
he's not fast, did not have a good combine.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
Tell me what he did in college? What it is?
Speaker 4 (24:59):
Now?
Speaker 3 (24:59):
You know who was his coach in college, Jed Fish
for a little.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
Bit, ye, okay, tell me what he's done in college
to justify him being better than Luther Burden or Matthew
Golden or even Isaiah Bond. I don't see it with him.
I did his stock is dropping big time. He's got
a horrible attitude. He doesn't love football, and in you
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just get it's a bad thing. If a lot of
people are right now and they question Chaudeur Saints. One
thing I'll never question about Chaudour Sainters. He loves football
and tedor roand McMillan loves the lifestyle that football provides
him more than he does the game itself. And I've
seen this movie before and I'm not touching him with
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a ten foot poll at all.
Speaker 4 (25:49):
Yeah, I don't know if he's gonna be for me
at least I don't. I don't know if he's gonna
be a best I just don't think the Seahawks need
to take a receiver at eighteen. I mean, I really don't.
What are the things?
Speaker 1 (25:57):
Well, that too, Andrews, But another thing two do you
know one of the biggest criticisms of him, he.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
Can't get separation.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
If you can't get separation, why am I taking you
in the first round. I don't need to take you
in this first round. If he can't create separation, I
am done. He's a bust. And I'm telling you right
now you can mark with a C my words tenoroh
McMillan will be the Nikhil Harry of the twenty twenty
five NFL Draft, and we will look back and say, gee,
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the Patriots could have taken Deebo, Samuel AJ Brown, Terry McLaurin,
or DK metcalf, and they took Nikhil freaking Harry. And
Nikhil Harry is out of the league. Bill Belichick is
horrorbub about selecting skill position players early in the draft,
especially in the first round. It's not his forte. We
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did a whole thing on it when I was in Boston.
This is we're talking about the greatest coach in NFL history.
So I'm telling you right now, don't do it. Seahawks,
do not do it. He's got b U s T
written all over him.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
And I didn't even have time to get to the
rest of the guys.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
I didn't even have time new But I'm telling you,
I'm I'm mark mark my words on this one.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
All right. You know with the draft, you know what
that means.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
There's there are odds who's gonna be the first pick,
who's gonna well, we know who's gonna be the first
pick that's already done. Who But who's gonna be number two, three, four, five, Well,
the odds are out, and I will give you my
opinion on that coming up next on MJ in the
midday on ninety three to three kJ R f M
players in the first round at offensive skilled positions.
Speaker 3 (27:38):
He did not.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
Oh, by the way, I'm gonna throw that one at you,
Matt Jones.
Speaker 3 (27:42):
How that worked out? Aha? Right? See what I mean?
Speaker 2 (27:46):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (27:46):
Yeah, see what I mean, Matt Jones.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
Nikkil Harry, that's why he's coaching at Chapel Hill and
his gold digging twenty four year old ex girlfriend is
the one basically making emasculating him and making him look
like a complete fool right now. That's why the NFL
didn't want a guy who was a six time Super
Bowl champion Jim and By, and that to me is BS.
Speaker 3 (28:06):
He should be a head coach in the NFL. That's BS.
He just there's certain guys who are better at coaching
than they are at talent evaluation. Bill just didn't And
I understood. Did he deserve the right to be able
to make the picks? Of course he did. He got
that he you know, listen, Robert Kraft learned from his
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mistake with with Bill Parcells.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
He didn't let him shop for the grocery. He's that
famous line. So he's not gonna do it right now.
And he wasn't gonna make the same mistake twice with Belichick.
So you listen, he just wasn't good at offensive skill
position players in the early rounds. He did pick Jimmy
Garoppol in the second round, so I'll give him that.
That was good because yeah, I didn't you know, Garoppolo
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was okay for a little bit.
Speaker 3 (28:53):
So I don't hate. I don't hate that one, but
his they're not the great.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
Sony Michelle Bust match owns Bust, Nikhil Harry Bust. Thank
you over Lamar Jackson, over Lamar Jackson. Oh, Lamar you
took Sony Michelle and Isaiah Win over Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
I think about that now.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
You would say, well, Mark tom Brady was coming off
an MVP season, and you know Tom Brady was in
his forties. You had to eventually get there, listen. Lamar
Jackson sat behind Joe Flacco for a year. Okay, you
had to groom the next guy. All right, let's get
to the draft.
Speaker 3 (29:36):
According to.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
DraftKings, right now, these are the odds for the top
ten picks.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
Well, we know it should just go to who's number two.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
We know that cam Wod's off most boards already at
number one, going to the Titans minus twenty thousand, So
you have to put up twenty thousand dollars to win
one hundred. That is so that that's a done deal.
Number two Travis Hunter minus three fifty to the Cleveland browns.
Now Here in lies the interesting thing I could. Yeah,
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it makes sense, and I think, actually I don't like
putting up three to fifty to win one hundred, But
I think Travis Hunter seems to be pretty safe there
because look, listen, they just resigned Miles Garrett. You're not
gonna take Abdull Carter there, who makes the most sense.
You're not gonna Overdraft Shader there. So you want to
go with Travis Hunter, I don't have a problem with it.
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Number three, the New York Giants select the aforementioned Abdull
Carter minus three hundred, put up three hundred dollars to
win one hundred. That makes sense. They can't get to
the quarterback. They need an edge rusher. They you know,
they need somebody they haven't had in a very long time. Ocuman,
Eurra and Michael Strahan are not walking through that door,
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and if they do, they're gonna be gray and old.
Number four of the New England page. This is interesting
because I'm seeing that the Patriots could trade out. But
according to DraftKings, Will Campbell tackle LSU, teammate of Mason Taylor,
who is the nephew of.
Speaker 3 (31:12):
Joy Taylor. May will Campbell there at number four. I
had to go there.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
I had to do that minus two twenty five to
one hundred. That's a bad bet. That is a really
bad bet because I could see the Patriots trading out
of that position, and I think Will Campbell at four
is an over draft. Okay, number five the Jaguars. God,
is there a bigger joke in the NFL than the
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Jacksonville Jaguars. I mean, really well, they have according to DraftKings,
Mason Graham, defensive tackle out of Michigan. Don't think that
would be too bad, but I mean, you're going to
Jacksonville and those hideous uniforms the second ugliest uniforms in
pro sports, next to the Las Vegas Golden Knights.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
Number six. The speaking of Las Vegas.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
These uniforms, So no, the best uniforms may be in
sports history, the silver in black. They have the favorite
there to take Boise State running back Ashton Genty, which
seems to be a consensus.
Speaker 3 (32:19):
I wouldn't do.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
It, I told the play by play announcer from the Raiders,
Jason Horowitz, I wouldn't do it. Number seven Missouri offensive
tackle armand Membu going to the Jets. The Jets need
help everywhere at quarterback, at O line, everywhere, and Membo
would be certainly a good pick there. Number eight the
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Carolina Panthers Georgia linebacker Jalen Walker plus one p fifty.
Number nine Colorado quarterbacks should Dor Sanders at plus two hundred.
Can I tell you right now if I had an
account on DraftKings, and I do not, I take that
right there. You put up one hundred dollars to win
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two hundred. I think he's going to go nine.
Speaker 3 (33:05):
To New Orleans.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
I really believe he will. That's the best value. I
don't I'm not saying I agree with it. I don't
agree with the pick, but in terms of value, you're
not going to get better on something that will more
than likely happen to where you don't have to put
up three hundred and fifty dollars to win one hundred.
Go with Schaduur there at number nine, and then the Bears.
They have gent there, but they also show a little
uncertainty because the next shortest odds to go at number
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ten is the guy that I want to be a
Seattle Seahawk more than anyone, Tyler Warren plus three point fifty,
followed by another guy I'd like to see wearing the
blue and is Kelvin Banks Junior out of Texas.
Speaker 3 (33:44):
So there it is anything surprised you?
Speaker 2 (33:46):
There?
Speaker 4 (33:47):
No, nothing surprises me really. The only thing is that's
pretty high for Tyler Warren. Hope, I hope he slides
down a little bit, but I don't see it happening.
He's about as sure thing as you get. But yeah,
I mean I think that kind of is very chock.
I mean, it makes sense. It's all the betting favorites
for all of those. But yeah, you think you think
Travis Hunter goes number two?
Speaker 3 (34:07):
It makes sense.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
It makes sense just because you're gonna you already got
Miles Garrett back. If Garrett was gone and you traded them,
then I would take out blue Carter. Yeah, but I think, yeah,
why not have the best athlete that we've seen in
twenty something years in Travis Hunter?
Speaker 3 (34:20):
And you talk about selling jerseys?
Speaker 2 (34:22):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (34:23):
Holy, I mean it's a business man you want to
you know, like Travis T. Hunter. It's gona that's.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
Big freaking business. So we got that all right? Coming
up next? Oh boy, I hate to say I told
you so, but I told you so.
Speaker 3 (34:38):
You know what, the worst thing that you can do
in life is over inflate your value. That's right. Somebody
made that mistake, and we'll talk about it and why this.
Oh and the Mariners just got out of a jam
in the bottom of the seventh Vargas is garbage.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
They pulled them. They get out of it on a
k by Thornton Love that. We'll get to that next
on why you should never overinflate your value and sense
of self worth.
Speaker 3 (35:10):
Next on MJ in the Midday ninety three three KJR
In the twenty twenty five NFL Draft, the Seattle Seahawks
should draft.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Whom So I like Tyler Booker for Seattle, the Alabama guard.
You know, I've been We've been talking for years now
that Seattle needs to fix that interior the offensive line
right or just the offensive line in general, and get
some more beef in there, some more reliability in terms
of the run game. And I feel like Booker is
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one of these guys, one of the rare guards who
physically is ready to come into the NFL at a
pretty young age and just hang and be eventually probably
be a dominant player. And I think that he would
be a perfect bit for Seattle. You can also say
Grey Zabel get for north Court to State to like
him a lot too. But for me, you know, there's
some other needs there as well. But I feel like
this is a really good chance for them to hammer
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that thing down and fix the inside of that offensive
linecause I feel like it's pretty necessary at this point.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
Do you feel though that Grey's Abel would be maybe
a little bit of an overdraft at eighteen though, could
be he could be.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
I mean, it depends on what you're looking for, and
it depends on what you're what you want. I suppose
you know Zabel's the best part about his game is
at versatility. He can play center, re guard, he will
played tackle in college. I think he's more of an
interior guy. But I do think I do think it's
important to note that I don't think he's one of
the guys that you know at a lower level, he
was dominant. I think it's gonna translate. I mean, he
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was very good at the Senior Bowl, maybe the best
lineman there. Really really smart player with the terrific work ethics.
So it wouldn't shock me that might be a little
bit of a reach. But this is a weird draft
and in terms of there's not a ton of blue
chip town in this draft, and I think it's going
to be interesting to see how everyone's board sort of stands,
because I don't think there's gonna be too many that
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are that are very similar. I think it's gonna be
kind of all over the place this year, So we'll
see how it goes.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
Nick bomb Gardner from the Athletic here on MJ in
the midday on the Beacon Plumbing Hotline and Sports Radio
ninety three three kg RFM SO that being said, I
was just talking about with andrews Hurst, who got you
on the show today, about what if a scenario presented
itself where the.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
Hawks had a chance to move up.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
They've got a lot of draft capital, Nick, They've got
five of the top ninety two picks in the draft,
two in the second round, two in the third round.
Would you take a chance in crack that top ten
to maybe? And I think the dance partner would have
to be perhaps the Carolina Panthers at eight. And the
reason why I say that, Nick, is because I believe,
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like what everybody's looking at now, that it looks like
almost a foregone conclusion that Shader Sanders will go to
New Orleans at nine, and then if Tyler Warren's still
there at ten, you'd think that the Bears would select
him there. So I would imagine Carolina would be a
nice potential trade partner there. Would you trade up there?
And if you did, if you say yes, what would
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you be willing to give up? If you're the Hawks
to go up to number eight?
Speaker 2 (02:52):
You know, that's an interesting one. I don't know if
you know they have a necessarily like a woe need
that they could address up there, but depend on a board.
I guess you know. The one would be Tet mcmill
and the big receiver. I suppose if they like him,
if they're you know, on him, obviously they just lost
DK and Locket, if they're able to say, hey, we
like him, we're not worried about the forty, which I'm not.
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I think he's gonna be a really good football player,
big guy, big target, can be a guy who's used
to playing over there and he's your guy for a
long long time. That would be one that would be
interesting for me. If not him, you know.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
I suppose Tyler Warren, Tyler Warrens who were talking about if.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
You like Tyler Warren, if you like Tyler Warren or
Colson Loveland, then yeah, I think it's all about you.
Could you could do it. The other two would be
those offensive linemen that are slipping. If they slip Membo
or Campbell. But Warren, yeah, I mean Tyler Warren three
three down tight end. Colson Loveland I think is right
there with him too, the kid from Michigan. It's sort
of either or for me, and I think a lot
of teams would probably agree with that. But yes, I
think that that would be, you know, a quality move
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for a team like Seattle, because again that's addressing. You know,
your run game and your pass game with that tight
end position there, those two are elite. And in terms
of what I would give up, you know, I wouldn't
be afraid if those are my guys and I say, hey,
one of those guys is my guy, and I love them,
and I'm Seattle, and I say, got to have him
because I think it's gonna help everything we're doing. It's
gonna help darnold, it's gonna help the run game everything else.
Then I wouldn't be afraid to give up, maybe even
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a little bit more than you normally would. I think normally,
if you're going up from eighteen to eight, you know
you're looking at probably throwing a second rounder in there.
I don't think you're gonna give up maybe a second
round or maybe a third, maybe a second and a
third plus your own pick. You know, it depends on,
you know, how desperate Carolina is to get out of there.
I think they probably should be pretty desperate, so I
think you could actually get away with the you know,
maybe a deal on that one too, depending on how
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the board looks for Carolina because there's again, they need
so many things and they might be actually pretty good
trade partner for them. So this draft is all going
to depend on how those quarterbacks come off and then
what happens with you know, talent sliding down the board.
Because also, if you're Seattle, you're sitting there at eighteen,
it could be a real situation where hey, we want
a corner, let's say, and maybe Will Johnson, the kid
from Michigan is falling, or you know, you want a receiver,
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and maybe if mc millan is falling a little bit too.
So I think that you could play the board in
this in this draft if you're Seattled there in the middle,
and see what happens.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
The only guy, Nick Baumgardner, I would want to move
up for would be Tyler Warren. And to me, I
think a buyer be ware you mentioned, sir, No way
I would ever move up ten spots. I wouldn't even
take tenor Rowan McMillan at eighteen. First of all, I
wouldn't take care on him, well not only him. But
here's the thing too, Nick, is that so I look
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at the Seahawks, and you look at this and overall
and yeah, you lose DK Metcalf, you get rid of
Tyler Lockett, you're bringing Cooper cup and Marquez Valdez Gantling
JSN I think is ready to take this step to
be a one. So with all that being said, I
look at you, look at the interior, and that's why
I kind of your pick on Tyler Booker. I think
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that either him or Kelvin Banks Junior, I'm good on
either one of those guys, or like you said, maybe
Will Campbell he's got short arms, who knows, maybe he
drops to eighteen. But I think taking a wide receiver,
no matter who would be, even if it was to
McMillan at eighteen, it's like the foundation of your house
is cracking and you're completely infested with termites, so you
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go out and buy a car.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
It feel you really agree?
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Yeah? Right, Yeah, for where Seattle's that, I completely agree.
I think that both both lines, really both sides of
the ball. I think that they need to address and
continue to fortify. Obviously, the offensive line, like we said,
is one that seems to always be a topic of conversation.
But I mean, Mike McDonald, you know that that entire
defense is predicated around do we have somebody over the ball,
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you know who is you know the last year they
took young. I think they could add more to it
in this defensive tackle class or this edge class if
a guy slides down as well. So for me, if
I'm Seattle, I'm still trying to figure out or fix
the lines or fortify him, I guess more than anything else,
and try to get some more depths in their more
quality pieces. Just like you said, I mean, it's hard
to rely on much offensively when you don't have a
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running The run game protects the quarterback in so many ways,
and I think we feel for a guy like Darnald
that would really really help him out if you can
able to established a real run game so that he
doesn't have to put everything on his shoulders. Obviously, if
it's a better offensive line's keeping him up right, all
those good things like that, And like you mentioned, I mean,
they've done a nice job of adding pieces to that
receiver room. I agree with you on Jackson. I think
he's a really good football player and I think he's
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going to be one that's going to be good for
a long long time. So if I'm Seattle, I'm still
focused on can I fix the offensive line here maybe
on Day one and Day two, you know, can I
fix the offensive line on the defensive line on both
of those in both those first two days, Like you mentioned,
five picks in the top one hundred, whatever it was,
I think they have a real opportunity to real opportunity
there to make up some ground in that area.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Nick bomb Gardner, Senior writer in draft analysts from the Athletic.
I want to ask you this. Let's look at the
end of the Seahawks season. They missed the playoffs for
the second straight year, and I mean it was a
ten win season, but that tenth win was with an
asterisk because the Rams lagged down that they laid down
that day.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
They didn't play any of their starters. So we all
know what happened there.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Okay, all that being said, gone is Gino Smith gone?
Speaker 3 (07:59):
Is the k Metcalf gone?
Speaker 1 (08:00):
As Tyler Lockett, Here comes Sam Donald, here comes Cooper
cup and and then you add Marcus Valdez Gantling and
you know DeMarcus Lawrence. You get a second and third
round pick for DK and Gino. Do you think the
Seahawks are are a better team today than they were
the day when the season.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
Ended, I think that they're I think that they have
more hope today, you know, And it will depend on
what they do with the draft, you know, and everything else.
But I think that they've done a nice job of
pivoting out of some things that they were gonna have
to address it one way or another. Geno wasn't gonna
be the answer forever. You know, we'll see about Sam Donald.
I like Sam Donald if you can help them and
you can build around him, and I think they have
an opportunity to do that. But like you mentioned, the
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best thing I like about this is they've collected enough
draft assets, you know, for for for a young coach
to sort of give him the things that he needs
to make this thing to make it a go. Get younger,
get tougher inside, and then make yourself, you know, put
yourself in a position to be in position, because I
feel like last year they were a team that was
sort of hanging on but spy, you know, but going
in the wrong direction, I guess going downhill, maybe not
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a steep, you know, downhill fall off. They weren't bad,
but I think if you looked at the things that
were sort of driving the bus there, it was time
to move on and make some adjustments. And I think
they've done that. And depending on how they perform in
this draft, obviously, but I think they have an opportunity
to be in a position to be much better. Yes,
I think that, you know what we could I could not.
I could easily see a situation where we're sitting there
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midyear and saying, Wow, they've really flipped this thing around
and it looks like, not only are they gonna be
good for now, but also you can say, you know,
a couple of years down the road too, to where
it's not okay, well, this guy's wearing out. We got
to move him out. We got to change this, we
got to change that. You know, I think a lot
of that has been taken care of here and they
now have some flexibility to sort of add and get younger,
which you know is what you want to do here
through the draft.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
Nick bomb Gardner, senior NFL writer and draft analysts from
The Athletic. Nick, here's the name I'm gonna throw at you.
Let's just say Tyler Booker. And let's just say they
don't go O line there. Let's just for argument's sake,
say Nick Emmon worry from from South Carolina. Look, but
what about this guy in the second round with one
of their two second round picks, Donovan Jackson, guard Ohio State.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
How would he fit in this Clint Kubiak offense.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
I think that's perfect and that's a perfect you know,
draft pick for them at some point. I don't know
how far he's going to slide, but I would even
maybe consider moving up in the second round if he's
if he's hanging out there after the first because that's
the guy who played most of his career at guard
at Ohio State and was very good. He's very very
good athlete, really long, all that good stuff. And then
when Josh Simmons went down earlier in the year, he
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sled up the tackle and was terrific for them. You know,
he played tackle for the whole second half of the
season on through the national championship run and showed that
he can kind of hang in there and do that. So,
I mean I look at him as a guy who
could maybe have maybe he give you multiple answers to
multiple problems or depending on what you need, or who
who turns the corner. You know, we'll see, you know,
Charles Crosses on the team. We'll see if he can
you know, if you don't need to tackle, maybe he
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can go inside and play guard. If you end up
needing a tackle, he can do that. So Jackson is
one of those guys, you know, whereas Booker I think
is the more dominant run blocker. Tyler Booker is only
ever going to be a guard and you know, probably
only a right guard, with Jackson a lot more wagbel room.
And for a team like Seattle, Yes, I think that
that's a really sharp idea. And again I think you
played the board for him. You know, I think if
he's if he's sliding down and you're at eighteen and
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he's still on the board, and you think he can
make it even further, maybe I trade down again and
see if I could get some more picks at more
you know, bites at the apple and also still get
the guy won. But I think that's another terrific fit.
That's that's another reason why I like Zabel for them
somewhere along the way, another guy who can play multiple spots.
But Jackson maybe even more so because you know, we
know what he can do at a high level. He
already did in college.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
So we're both Bullishawn Jackson.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
You mentioned Tyler Booker there you would look at at eighteen,
and we talked about Gray's a bowl. You don't want
to overdraft him. Gonna throw another name there out you
out who was a tenor Rowa McMillan's teammate at Arizona.
Jonah savanaa guard out of those guards, savonaa Booker, Jackson, Okay,
(11:58):
and Zabel If you got a crystal ball, none of
us do, because we did, we'd be making a lot
more money. Right, nobody's got that crystal ball, But let's
just pretend you do. We looked five years from now,
who's gonna be the best guard out of all four
of those guys?
Speaker 2 (12:12):
Oh? Man, that's a really good question. I would also
add Tate Ratledge just get from Georgia.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
Oh, I love him. Throw him in there, throw him
in there.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
And frankly, for me, it's it's it's maybe Booker or
rat Ledge. I really like Tate Ratledge. And I know
that you know there's some limitation with him too, uh,
in terms of he's a little got the shorter arms,
and he's not gonna be able to play tackle and
he's probably a guard only. But rat Ledge is another
one of these guys who just moves people on a
consistent basis. He's explosive, he's quick, he can pull and
(12:41):
do all those good things as well. But that was
a guy who played a long time at Georgia, and
as we know, you hang in the end. That's what
That's one of the reasons I like Booker, I like Banks.
These guys that if you can hang in the sec
and do it at a young age and perform, you know,
consistently throughout the course of your career, that I'm I'm
usually going to bet on you. So Ratledge is a
guy that I really really like a lot, and I
can understand why he slides out of most people's first round.
(13:03):
It's hard to take a guard. He's got to be
kind of a phenomenal type player, or a guy like
Banks who can play tackle, hand guard, that kind of thing.
But you know, Booker, Banks, and Ratledge I think are
the top three for me. And it wouldn't surprise me
if rat leg ends up being the guy when it's
als said and done.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
Oh I like it.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
Nick bomb Gardner, Senior draft writer, Senior draft analyst, NFL
writer here from the Athletic I'm going to give you
a couple more names. So we talked about Tyler Warren
and Colston Loveland. Let's look maybe towards the middle of
the second in third rounds and look at two guys,
one of them I got to see up close, Elijah
Arroyo from the U and Gunner Helm out of Texas.
(13:40):
Could one of these two guys end up being better
than Warner Loveland?
Speaker 2 (13:46):
Well so, I mean, Arroyo could be just a freaky,
freaky dude at some point here. That's that's a really
interesting pick for whoever ends up getting him. I mean,
this is a two hundred and fifty pound receiver, I
mean no other and he is a willing blocker. He's
not a bad blocker. He'll put his thickest nose in
there and do the things you want him to do.
But this is like a more physical version of Kyle
Pitts in some ways, or at least in that mold
(14:08):
right Like, I'm not sure he's not as athletic as
Kyle was coming out, but he did so much in
the air, was really good off the ball, really good
in all areas. They split him out, they put him
in the slot, they did all those good things with him,
and I think he was terrific. So I think he's
easily someone in the top one hundred, Mandy creeping up
to the top fifty before it's all sudden done with
all the things he can.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
Do, and then Helm.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
Yeah, I think people are sleeping on him. He did
not have a good combine. He got hurt at the
combine and played through it and also was one of
the few Texas guys who tested at the combine after
having that long playoff. So there's a lot of people
who are like, man, what are you doing? Like why
are you doing all this? But for me, it's like
this dude's a football player, like and you turn the
tape on and he's really good. I mean he's right
there with Terrence Ferguson and some of those guys in
(14:49):
the middle there that it wouldn't I think before those
numbers came out, he might have been a second or
third round guy. But now you know he could slide,
and I definitely think he's a guy you know him,
Harold Fan and Terrence Ferguson, even Mitch Evans from Notre Dame.
I think this is a really really good tight end
class that goes like seven deep. Mason Taylor from LSU,
who I think is a fringe first round pick, is
one of my favorite kids in the draft. I mean,
(15:10):
he's the youngest player in the draft. Jason Taylor's son,
Zach Thomas's nephew, and just a really really smooth shark
football player who's got a lot of good ball in
front of him.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
Yes, also the nephew of Joey Taylor as well. Give
me a by the way, Dick.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
By the way, Nick, you and I just had a
do you ever see the movie The Shining Yeah, we
just had a nonverbal communication.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
Moment with you. That was great.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
All right, give me a buyer beware pick maybe more
than one, I told you McMillan. And for me, also,
I can't get over Shador Sanders. I to me, this
guy's gonna go one of two ways. He's gonna be
unbelievable or he's gonna be than like Johnny Manziel, I'm
(16:02):
telling you don't I don't know.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
I just can't quite pinpoint on this guy.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
The like the ceiling is off the char I think
his ceiling is even higher than my guy cam Ward.
But there's something there. I just but I don't want to.
I don't wanna uh you know, influence the witness on
the stand. Give me your buyer beware pick well.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
I would say Shadoor is in that category if you're
talking about him in the top ten, and I think
that that includes New Orleans and obviously the guy's in
the top three too. But for me, Shador has to
go to a team that is decent. Like he reminds
me so much of bo Nick's last year when Bonix
goes to the bronco Hes goes to a really good coach.
They had some pieces, he's a smart player and they
made it work. If Shadour were to go to like
(16:43):
the Steelers or somewhere like this and even could have
a year to sit and learn, I think that could
end up being a really really good pick. If he
goes to the Giants or the Browns, that I think
I would buy that being a mess before I would
buy you know, anything else there. So he is absolutely
one based on where he's gonna go. I'll give you
another one in the defensive lineman class, because this is
a really good defensive tackle class. Kenneth Grant, the kid
(17:04):
from Michigan, you know, really good athlete, you know, and
all the reports out of Michigan coming out, you know
when he was like a sophomore, where this is a
freaky athlete who's going to test off the charts and
do all these things. But you know what he played
next to Mason Graham, who was the best defensive tackle
in the class by far his entire career. He was
a flash player, and he did not test at the combine.
He was hurt all off season. I don't think he
(17:25):
was in great shape all off season. He's also really young.
There's a lot of technique issues there that need to
get ironed out. There's a lot of physical stuff that
you look at him and say, the traits are amazing,
but you know, I don't know. It's I don't know
how high I would go with him. You know. I've
seen people talk to me about him in the top
fifteen or something, and I'm like, I don't know about that.
I would kind of wait on him. And Walter Nolan,
(17:46):
the kid from Old Miss, are kind of familiar, are
similar dudes, and that they're both very good athletes, flash players,
but it's not super consistent. And for me, when this
class is that good and we go down the list,
you're talking about guys like Tyler Williams and Darius alexand
Elferd Collins. These guys are really solid, sturdy players. You're
gonna get a little bit further down because they're not,
as you know, freakish athletically. I would rather have guys
(18:08):
like that because I think they're safer picks than the
flash player who's you know, who might look like a
really good athlete one minute and then just disappear for
the next quarter. So Grant is one that I have
been a little cooler on, I think than a lot
of people.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
Nick bomb Gardner, senior NFL writer and draft analysts from
The Athletic. Nick appreciate it, Appreciate the time, and again
I like to just throw this out there.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
We'll make it work.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
With Christopher Kid, I want to get you on again
before the draft, maybe even after it, just to I mean, man,
you nailed it, you really did. And by the way,
I love the shining moment that we had together. Yeah,
those perfect love it anytime guys.
Speaker 3 (18:45):
Follow on Twitter? Yeah that should.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
Jason Tailor goes, Yeah, he's the son of Jason Taylor.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
I'm waiting for it.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
The nephew of Zach Thomas, and I'm going yeah, and
then I got more one hard to go, one warn
to go love it. Hey, Hey, it's I'm just staying
to fact. I'm not saying anything. I think I listen.
I think I'll just say this. I think she is
really good on the air, amazing, so I but I
(19:16):
just had to throw that in there, like like, I
just for this kid. I just Mason, when you get
to the NFL, they're gonna be guys on the other side,
and they're gonna be coming at you, and they're gonna
be saying your aunt's name, and they're gonna be just
be beware, beware of that, because it's gonna be coming.
And it's just you gotta don't let those guys psych
(19:39):
you out before a game. And it sucks that he
has to go through this because he didn't do anything
wrong and either did his dad or his uncle Zach Thomas.
But you know, I mean, you know, sometimes it's just
you can't help who you're related to.
Speaker 4 (19:53):
No, you can't choose your parents.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
Or your aunts, no right, or your aunts all right?
Who who is overrated and who deserves the hype Going
into next week's NFL Draft. We'll get to that next
right here on MJ in the midday on ninety three
to three, kJ Artam. The worst thing the Seattle Seahawks
can do is take this player who's projected to perhaps
(20:21):
fall to number eighteen, and he is the textbook definition
of over rated.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
Tedor Roa McMillan.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
And I will give you a name because I've seen
it before when I was in Boston in twenty nineteen
and the Patriots instead of taking dk metcalf aj Brown,
Terry McLaurin, Deebo Samuel, they took a guy by the
name of Nikhiel Harry Arizona State. Well, I'm gonna give
(20:56):
you the Nikiel Harry of the twenty twenty five NFL Draft.
A lot of people, you know, they'll they'll kind of
pussy foot around and say this, oh, this guy, and
they I'm gonna put my line and dig if I
wish I had Farragamo shoes because I can't afford them,
(21:16):
but if I could afford salvatory Farragamo shoes, I would
dig them in the sand. That Tetoroha McMillan will be
the Nikhil Harry of the twenty twenty five NFL Draft.
He's got bust written all over them. As matter of fact,
I'm calling him a bust. Do not And I am
hoping and I will. Actually I think I'm gonna be there.
(21:41):
I like Purple Sheet told me that even after my show,
he wants me to go out to the Virginia Mason
Athletics Center next Thursday and I'll be out there for
the Seahawks pick. And I will tell you something, anders Hurst,
And to the fine folks in the listening audience, you.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
Ready for this one.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
I'm gonna drop this one on you because in twenty eighteen,
I was a member of this network that is the
flagship for the Bruins and that horrible team that plays
in Fenway Park, the Red Sox, and I had to
go cover the Patriot draft that night. And the Patriots
had two draft picks that night in the first round.
(22:18):
One of them, they took Isaiah Win out of Georgia,
who was all right, not great, but they ended up
parting waves with them. And they had another pick in
that first round, and there was a certain team picking
there at thirty two, and I said it time and
time again, and the Patriots took a running back out
(22:43):
of the same school, Georgia by the name of Sony Michelle,
who I referred to as Phony Michelle, and they took
Isaiah Win and Sony Michelle over Lamar Jackson, future two
time be three time MVP. So when people like.
Speaker 5 (23:04):
Oh, Mark, you think you know more than Bill Belichick,
a guy who's won six Super Bowl guess what when
it comes to drafting skilled position players in the first round,
I do no more than Bill Belichick.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
I do.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
And I can go through a litany of horrible picks
Chad Jackson out of Florida, and we could go on
and on and on of bad picks that Bill Belichick
is taking, including nikiel Ethyn Harry. Well, the nikiel Harry
of this draft is Tetoroa McMillan.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
He is going to be a bust with a capital B.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
And if does Seahawks take him with the eighteenth pick,
and I'm at the Virginia Mason Athletics Center, I'm gonna
lose my ish. I will lose my I believe you
me because I listen. I have a premonition when it
comes to certain things, and when it comes to bus
(24:00):
in this world, I don't know what it is. When
it comes to bust in the NFL Draft, in the
first round in the NBA draft, I can just see,
I can pinpoint and say that guy is going to
be a bust. And I'm telling you today, on April seventeenth,
one week before next week's draft, Tetoroha McMillan has got
(24:23):
bust written all over him. I'm telling you, do not
do it, John Schneider, do not. I am praying he
gets taken prior to eighteen. Praying because I think if
he's there at eighteen, Schneider will be tempted to pull
the trigger on McMillan and it will be a monumental
(24:44):
fail with a capital F. I cannot overstate this enough.
He's got bust written all over him. Why because number one, okay,
he's not fast, did not have a good combine.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
Tell me what he did in college? What it is?
Speaker 4 (24:59):
Now?
Speaker 3 (24:59):
You know who was his coach in college, Jed Fish
for a little.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
Bit, ye, okay, tell me what he's done in college
to justify him being better than Luther Burden or Matthew
Golden or even Isaiah Bond. I don't see it with him.
I did his stock is dropping big time. He's got
a horrible attitude. He doesn't love football, and in you
(25:25):
just get it's a bad thing. If a lot of
people are right now and they question Chaudeur Saints. One
thing I'll never question about Chaudour Sainters. He loves football
and tedor roand McMillan loves the lifestyle that football provides
him more than he does the game itself. And I've
seen this movie before and I'm not touching him with
(25:47):
a ten foot poll at all.
Speaker 4 (25:49):
Yeah, I don't know if he's gonna be for me
at least I don't. I don't know if he's gonna
be a best I just don't think the Seahawks need
to take a receiver at eighteen. I mean, I really don't.
What are the things?
Speaker 1 (25:57):
Well, that too, Andrews, But another thing two do you
know one of the biggest criticisms of him, he.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
Can't get separation.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
If you can't get separation, why am I taking you
in the first round. I don't need to take you
in this first round. If he can't create separation, I
am done. He's a bust. And I'm telling you right
now you can mark with a C my words tenoroh
McMillan will be the Nikhil Harry of the twenty twenty
five NFL Draft, and we will look back and say, gee,
(26:27):
the Patriots could have taken Deebo, Samuel AJ Brown, Terry McLaurin,
or DK metcalf, and they took Nikhil freaking Harry. And
Nikhil Harry is out of the league. Bill Belichick is
horrorbub about selecting skill position players early in the draft,
especially in the first round. It's not his forte. We
(26:48):
did a whole thing on it when I was in Boston.
This is we're talking about the greatest coach in NFL history.
So I'm telling you right now, don't do it. Seahawks,
do not do it. He's got b U s T
written all over him.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
And I didn't even have time to get to the
rest of the guys.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
I didn't even have time new But I'm telling you,
I'm I'm mark mark my words on this one.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
All right. You know with the draft, you know what
that means.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
There's there are odds who's gonna be the first pick,
who's gonna well, we know who's gonna be the first
pick that's already done. Who But who's gonna be number two, three, four, five, Well,
the odds are out, and I will give you my
opinion on that coming up next on MJ in the
midday on ninety three to three kJ R f M
players in the first round at offensive skilled positions.
Speaker 3 (27:38):
He did not.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
Oh, by the way, I'm gonna throw that one at you,
Matt Jones.
Speaker 3 (27:42):
How that worked out? Aha? Right? See what I mean?
Speaker 2 (27:46):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (27:46):
Yeah, see what I mean, Matt Jones.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
Nikkil Harry, that's why he's coaching at Chapel Hill and
his gold digging twenty four year old ex girlfriend is
the one basically making emasculating him and making him look
like a complete fool right now. That's why the NFL
didn't want a guy who was a six time Super
Bowl champion Jim and By, and that to me is BS.
Speaker 3 (28:06):
He should be a head coach in the NFL. That's BS.
He just there's certain guys who are better at coaching
than they are at talent evaluation. Bill just didn't And
I understood. Did he deserve the right to be able
to make the picks? Of course he did. He got
that he you know, listen, Robert Kraft learned from his
(28:27):
mistake with with Bill Parcells.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
He didn't let him shop for the grocery. He's that
famous line. So he's not gonna do it right now.
And he wasn't gonna make the same mistake twice with Belichick.
So you listen, he just wasn't good at offensive skill
position players in the early rounds. He did pick Jimmy
Garoppol in the second round, so I'll give him that.
That was good because yeah, I didn't you know, Garoppolo
(28:52):
was okay for a little bit.
Speaker 3 (28:53):
So I don't hate. I don't hate that one, but
his they're not the great.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
Sony Michelle Bust match owns Bust, Nikhil Harry Bust. Thank
you over Lamar Jackson, over Lamar Jackson. Oh, Lamar you
took Sony Michelle and Isaiah Win over Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
I think about that now.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
You would say, well, Mark tom Brady was coming off
an MVP season, and you know Tom Brady was in
his forties. You had to eventually get there, listen. Lamar
Jackson sat behind Joe Flacco for a year. Okay, you
had to groom the next guy. All right, let's get
to the draft.
Speaker 3 (29:36):
According to.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
DraftKings, right now, these are the odds for the top
ten picks.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
Well, we know it should just go to who's number two.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
We know that cam Wod's off most boards already at
number one, going to the Titans minus twenty thousand, So
you have to put up twenty thousand dollars to win
one hundred. That is so that that's a done deal.
Number two Travis Hunter minus three fifty to the Cleveland browns.
Now Here in lies the interesting thing I could. Yeah,
(30:12):
it makes sense, and I think, actually I don't like
putting up three to fifty to win one hundred, But
I think Travis Hunter seems to be pretty safe there
because look, listen, they just resigned Miles Garrett. You're not
gonna take Abdull Carter there, who makes the most sense.
You're not gonna Overdraft Shader there. So you want to
go with Travis Hunter, I don't have a problem with it.
(30:33):
Number three, the New York Giants select the aforementioned Abdull
Carter minus three hundred, put up three hundred dollars to
win one hundred. That makes sense. They can't get to
the quarterback. They need an edge rusher. They you know,
they need somebody they haven't had in a very long time. Ocuman,
Eurra and Michael Strahan are not walking through that door,
(30:54):
and if they do, they're gonna be gray and old.
Number four of the New England page. This is interesting
because I'm seeing that the Patriots could trade out. But
according to DraftKings, Will Campbell tackle LSU, teammate of Mason Taylor,
who is the nephew of.
Speaker 3 (31:12):
Joy Taylor. May will Campbell there at number four. I
had to go there.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
I had to do that minus two twenty five to
one hundred. That's a bad bet. That is a really
bad bet because I could see the Patriots trading out
of that position, and I think Will Campbell at four
is an over draft. Okay, number five the Jaguars. God,
is there a bigger joke in the NFL than the
(31:39):
Jacksonville Jaguars. I mean, really well, they have according to DraftKings,
Mason Graham, defensive tackle out of Michigan. Don't think that
would be too bad, but I mean, you're going to
Jacksonville and those hideous uniforms the second ugliest uniforms in
pro sports, next to the Las Vegas Golden Knights.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
Number six. The speaking of Las Vegas.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
These uniforms, So no, the best uniforms may be in
sports history, the silver in black. They have the favorite
there to take Boise State running back Ashton Genty, which
seems to be a consensus.
Speaker 3 (32:19):
I wouldn't do.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
It, I told the play by play announcer from the Raiders,
Jason Horowitz, I wouldn't do it. Number seven Missouri offensive
tackle armand Membu going to the Jets. The Jets need
help everywhere at quarterback, at O line, everywhere, and Membo
would be certainly a good pick there. Number eight the
(32:42):
Carolina Panthers Georgia linebacker Jalen Walker plus one p fifty.
Number nine Colorado quarterbacks should Dor Sanders at plus two hundred.
Can I tell you right now if I had an
account on DraftKings, and I do not, I take that
right there. You put up one hundred dollars to win
(33:02):
two hundred. I think he's going to go nine.
Speaker 3 (33:05):
To New Orleans.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
I really believe he will. That's the best value. I
don't I'm not saying I agree with it. I don't
agree with the pick, but in terms of value, you're
not going to get better on something that will more
than likely happen to where you don't have to put
up three hundred and fifty dollars to win one hundred.
Go with Schaduur there at number nine, and then the Bears.
They have gent there, but they also show a little
uncertainty because the next shortest odds to go at number
(33:30):
ten is the guy that I want to be a
Seattle Seahawk more than anyone, Tyler Warren plus three point fifty,
followed by another guy I'd like to see wearing the
blue and is Kelvin Banks Junior out of Texas.
Speaker 3 (33:44):
So there it is anything surprised you?
Speaker 2 (33:46):
There?
Speaker 4 (33:47):
No, nothing surprises me really. The only thing is that's
pretty high for Tyler Warren. Hope, I hope he slides
down a little bit, but I don't see it happening.
He's about as sure thing as you get. But yeah,
I mean I think that kind of is very chock.
I mean, it makes sense. It's all the betting favorites
for all of those. But yeah, you think you think
Travis Hunter goes number two?
Speaker 3 (34:07):
It makes sense.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
It makes sense just because you're gonna you already got
Miles Garrett back. If Garrett was gone and you traded them,
then I would take out blue Carter. Yeah, but I think, yeah,
why not have the best athlete that we've seen in
twenty something years in Travis Hunter?
Speaker 3 (34:20):
And you talk about selling jerseys?
Speaker 2 (34:22):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (34:23):
Holy, I mean it's a business man you want to
you know, like Travis T. Hunter. It's gona that's.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
Big freaking business. So we got that all right? Coming
up next? Oh boy, I hate to say I told
you so, but I told you so.
Speaker 3 (34:38):
You know what, the worst thing that you can do
in life is over inflate your value. That's right. Somebody
made that mistake, and we'll talk about it and why this.
Oh and the Mariners just got out of a jam
in the bottom of the seventh Vargas is garbage.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
They pulled them. They get out of it on a
k by Thornton Love that. We'll get to that next
on why you should never overinflate your value and sense
of self worth.
Speaker 3 (35:10):
Next on MJ in the Midday ninety three three KJR
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