Top 5 Hair Band singers. Prison movies. Flush it down!

Prison movies are the best! We discuss some of our favorites. Is Shawshank the best of all time? We then dive into our Top 5 favorite Hair Band singers. Yeah, this was fun. We talk Red Hot Chili Peppers and the tv show The Bear. You going to listen to this episode cousin? Yes chef. Get your Rod Ryan show gear at www.thebuzz.com and when you visit New Orleans be sure to see the www.piratesofthequarter.com.

Episode Transcript

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I'll start, let's go, I'llstart two weeks in a row. Hey,
it's two weeks in a row.This is the play Pants podcast.
That's Jason Ginty right there. I'veknown that guy a long long time.
I can't believe I get to doa podcast with him. This is podcast
ninety two, and like I said, wow, two weeks in a row.

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I want to talk just a littlebit of football. Yeah, big
album is having an anniversary? Oris it a big album? That's a
good question. U. I sentJason two top five ideas. He picked
the wrong one, So I did, you picked the wrong one, But

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we are going to still go withthe one that you picked. But I'm
going to prove to you that youpicked the wrong one today on the show,
so that that's gonna be enjoyable tome today. You don't have to
prove it. I already admit Ipicked her. As I'm doing, I'm
going I picked the wrong one.I'll fall on that sword to really,

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you know, well, one reallygood idea and one just kind of okay
one. And he took the okayone, and I'm like, okay,
well, you know I can flyon either one of these. But I
look forward to rubbing that one inyour face a little bit. Jason,
how are you? I'm good,man, I'm good. Look dude,
let me just I'm I'm succinctly goingto put this to you, Okay,

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but I don't even know what thatmeans. I don't even know how you're
putting. I don't know what succinctmeans. Let me just say this,
Okay. I'm not like this becauseI'm in van Halen. Oh my god,
I'm in van Halen because I'm likethis. Okay. Yes, I
am watching cousin. I am finallyup on the Bear. I don't want

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to give out anything. People haven'tseen it yet. Holy shit, I
love it. Have you? Haveyou finished both seasons? No, I'm
like halfway through season two, andyou know, fucking great. It's great.
I told you how great it is. It's so great and in a
couple of things without ruining anything foranybody, because I don't want to do
that. I hate that. Idon't worry about it fucking ruin it.

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Man. I want to talk aboutit. I don't need to talk about
it with anybody. But what's greatabout it is you know it's and and
the more I watched them morow I'mlike, God, you know, I've
been in the South for a longtime. I'm watching it through my twenty
six years of living in the South, and I'm like, these motherfuckers are
harsh, They're mean, they're cold, they're tough. They're from Chicago.

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It's the series is based in Chicago. I'm like, God, that's what
I used to be, like,Like, don't you get that feeling?
Man like They're that's rough shit.I don't feel that way anywhere. I
live and work in New Orleans needthat vibe at all. And I knew
that I kind of came down Southwith that attitude and I acted like that.

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Plus I was pretty fresh off ofthe restaurant scene. I did eight
years in a restaurant. And itwas fast paced. It was yelling at
one another, it was yelling,screaming everything. And the Bear is so
unbelievably great. It makes me Iwant It makes me because Jeremy Allen White
is so good, he's the maincharacter in it. It makes me want

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to go back and watch Shameless becauseeverybody said that he's great and Shameless.
I just couldn't get into that showbecause it seemed it was filthy, like
not sexually filthy or bad language,it was it looked dirty to me.
Yeah, everybody seemed unkept and unclean, and I just I couldn't get into
it. But I almost want togo back and watch him. He is

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so unbelievably great in The Bear.And I like, I want to buy
Hulu for my sister because I knowshe'll love it, you know, like
we're so the same. And she'slike, I don't need another streaming service.
I'm like, I need you tosee this show more so than Ted
Lasso, more so than anything elseout there. I need my sister to
watch The Bear. I know she'lllove it. I think it's so great.

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And since you, I mean,I was a boy in a restaurant,
so I was in a kitchen scene, but I was just that guy
getting yelled at all the time.So I didn't have I didn't have a
dog in a hunt. You youwere in the ship as they say,
you were in the weeds dog alot their cousin, And like, is
it pretty I mean, every everyrestaurant has its own you know, vibe

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right, its own way of handlingbusiness. But is that pretty much on
point? Like, like are youjust fucking all right, get your goddamn
fish fries done. We gotta go, is it that? Yeah? And
if you forgot something, the waitresswould come back and she's like, I
need that coldslaw on the rail.On the rail meant you guys fucked up.

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Get it out here right now.I know I wrote it down.
I need coldslaw on the rail.Now. This would be yelled at us,
and you just you didn't take itpersonally right. She may have not
written it down, but you're gonnagive her the benefit of the doubt because
you're not gonna get into it rightthere. You got that cold slaw up
on that rail immediately, I mean, and you could tell by the intensity

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of how it was said. There'ssome freakouts in the kitchen and the bear
and you know we didn't call eachother chef. But I'll tell you what
I've caught myself a little bit,you know, Like I answer my daughter
all the time. You know,she's just constantly daddy this, daddy,
daddy, Like yes, yes,I said yes, chef, yes,
chef, yes dear. Because Ianswer her yes dear. That's how I

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answer her every time. And Itry to make sure that I acknowledge every
time she wants to get a holdof me. Daddy, Daddy, look
at this. Oh my god,Daddy, look yes, dear, yes,
dear, I said, yes,Chef. Before I have I will
und percent admit that it just goesout. I'll fucking open a bag of
chips, right or something like thatand bring it to the couch so me
and the wife will watch it.I'm like, here you go, chef.

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She's like, oh, thanks,chef. Nice. Oh these are
good. Like so it makes awhole fucking game next time we're doing anything.
I need hands. I need hands, Like I love it, lygo.
Everything is great, dude, youare not going to be disappointed in
the direction that it's going. I'mI mean, I mean so excited for
you on where you're at and what'scoming. But Cousin, I'll just say

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this, he was absolutely the best. He's one of my all time favorite
characters. And he was the biggestpussy ever. He was in that show
Girls, the Lena Dunham A girlnever watched it. Yeah, yeah,
so he was like this woosy musicianboyfriend. Like everyone hated him. Daisy

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I think his name was, AndI just thought, okay, you never
watched you ever watched somebody in aroll and you think, Okay, they're
kind of going to be that personfor the rest of my life. And
cousin that's his role on the show. It's just like nothing you've ever seen.
I just we can leave it aloneafter this. Have you seen the
Christmas episode yet? No? No, I just got to the part where

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he met the chick. He gotchick hooked up. So yeah, the
replacement song is coming. Oh andthe music is great. Yeah, the
music is great. Lots of RMand just great music, great cinematography.
I'm just curious, like what yourbrother in law thinks of that show,
just because he's in the biz.The cinematography in that is just spectacular.

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The way they work the kitchen thosethat's small. That's tight space shit,
you know what I mean, Likeyou were in tight space, but in
a kitchen, you're in tight space, you know. And it's like to
have all those people and that andthen you know you had to go to
chef school to learn how to cutand all that ship because they're in it.
I feel like there's scenes and wecan move on in a second,
but there's scenes when I'm watching it, where I'm like, I can smell

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what they're cooking. That's how greatit is. Like you and I'm starving
at the end of every episode,I'm fucking starving. You'll start doing some
deep dives. You'll start realizing thatJeremy Ellen White did have to go to
culinary school, and then you startdigging into you know, what his tattoos
mean, and I mean, everythingis so well thought out on that show.

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I'm so upset that it's over with. We just did a we just
did a and you know what Imean, I'm really super high on it
right now, so I you know, I would love to enjoy it from
the beginning. But I'm gonna throwthis at you. If your memory could
be erased one show that you neveryou would watch it for the very first

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time, knowing how exciting it isand everything, what show would you erase
from your memory bank to start fromscratch? Such a great question, man,
because I was so upset when thatshow was over. I'm like,
I wanted more. I want somuch more, you know, And there's
another season coming, so that's good, nude, But yeah, what so

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for me, it was Game ofThrones. That's the only other time that
I just got like it. Ittook over my life. You know,
I was playing catchup to try towatch the finale with the whole world.
So I was on like it wasa job. It was my second job
watching Game of Thrones. But itwas so excited. I don't think I've
ever been that nerded out over aTV show. That was my choice.

(09:05):
I would say probably the same,just because it was like that and I
got. I came to it late, but by season three I had caught
up and I was taking the ridewith everybody. But I came to it
late because I was like, dragons, come on, man, I'm not
some dungeon and dragons dorc you knowwhat I mean. But then all of
a sudden, I'm like, Iguess I am. It is awesome.
Yeah, that. But what's interestingabout that is I've gone back and watched

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certain episodes from Game of Thrones,and you know, they're fucking great.
You can go back and watch someonelike the Battle of the Bastard's version where
it's John Snow and he's just himand all the dudes coming at him,
like that episode where he beats aship out of that one dude with the
dogs. I don't want to giveaway too much, Kase you haven't seen
it, you know what I mean, but you can talk. And there's
no spoilers for Getting Thrones right now. But like, holy fuck, that
episode is so bad at and there'sa couple others like that that just stand

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alone in their movies. So andthat's it. We're done on Hulu.
The Bear, The Bear's Red Wetis coming. Okay, can't wait,
It's coming, can't wait? AndI can't wait. Like if you want
to like break off and do aseparate bear podcast and just do nothing but

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talk about the Bear, I'm down. You want to scrap play pants and
just do bear pants, I'm in. I will do that. That's how
obsessed I am with the show.That is funny because at first I was
like, Okay, this is cool, but I you know, I dug
the kitchen thing, and you know, it's like we've talked about before.
It's like, you know, ifyou're gonna if it comes down to hire
and two people that are exactly thesame, but one of them's got kitchen
a restaurant. I'm picking restaurant everytime, you know what I mean,

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And they don't get versus someone whodoes it because you've been in the ship,
as they say, And uh,yeah, I just forgot how harsh,
how far, how harsh it isup north, Like people are just
colder. And I remember people foryears saying that to me all the time,
like why are you so fucking cold? I'm a dick first of all.
A second of all, I comefrom the Northeast. That's the way
we were. Yeah, and there'sa couple of really solid jag off.

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There's a there's a there's a couple, and you've got a couple of coming.
There's a couple of really solid theusage of jag off is coming.
And it's awesome. It's great.There's good rap, there's all that good
shit. I don't know about you, Rob, but I'm excited. And
in the last few years, Ithink we've talked about this last year,
I haven't been that jacked up aboutfootball the last couple of years. I
just haven't. I think, youknow what, I think part of the

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problem is, you know, wein New Orleans got spoiled with Drew Brees.
He left and then our team wentto ship. So i'thing like,
nah, who gives a fuck?Right? Still love the Bills this year.
I am so excited on multiple levels. I don't even care about my
teams. Okay, I care aboutthe Bills, But like, there's so
many badass storylines this year with theNFL. Like, if you think about

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it, you got Aaron Rodgers goingto the Jets. What the fuck is
gonna happen there? Right? Youknow? Playing them? Right? Yeah,
they're playing It's like their home openor the first game of the season
September eleventh in New York. Jesus, just add more to it, you
know. And then like Sean forNew Orleans fans, Sean Payton's going to
the Broncos and they were they wereship last year, and it's gonna be

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fun to watch. Is can heturn that around in that brutal division?
You know what I mean? Andbut dude, don't bury the headline.
Man, you do have a quarterback. Now, tell me what you're thinking
about him. I think he's gonnabe great. I just don't think we
have the I don't know if wehave the offensive minds in the coaching staff
to help that. Dude. Youknow, we have a great offensive coordinator,

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but our coaches he's a defensive guy. So we'll see what happens.
Does he just let him run wildand say, here, you handle the
offense, I'll take care of dor what I think is gonna be a
bass. I don't know how muchCarl has left in the tank. I
didn't really watch him. I knowthat he had a couple of really,
really great seasons. I was excitedfor the Saints to get him. Yeah,
he couldn't come here to Houston.You just can't have car quarterback.

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It just you just couldn't do it. I don't want to get into that,
right but for the Texans, superexcited about the Bills. It's the
most excited I've been about the Texansin the number of years. CJ.
Stroud the number two pick in thedraft, and then the Texans went fucking
uber aggressive and got the third pickin the draft and took like one of
the best defensive players that came outof college this year. So, you

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know, the number two quarterback,which you know I wanted too. Nobody's
saying that the guy that went one, I can't think of his name,
but nobody's saying that, like hewas ten times better. He wasn't this
generational guy. I feel like thisCJ Stroud. Kid really could be special
now he's starting. And to bringup the name I just said Car.

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Everyone knows David Carr just got crushedhere. He was the first quarterback of
the franchise and there was no offensiveline, there was no help, and
you know, it was the samething as like being like shell shock.
I think he broke the record forbeing sacked the most times and I don't
think he ever recovered from that.So you know, I have different feelings
about starting a rookie quarterback, buthe has to start. I mean,

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this franchise needs it. We havea new coach. This is how long
Jason I've been in Houston. Theguy that's coaching the Texans used to be
my player years ago on the air, Damiko Ryans. He has done his
time as a player in Houston,then he left, played for another team,

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then he started coaching and worked hisway up to a head coach.
And Daddy's still here. Daddy's stillright here, sweet Jesus, dude.
Yeah, he was my dude oneyear and he's our head. So he's
a young, exciting guy. Souh, Texans Patriots Thursday at six Bill's
Colts. On Saturday, Saints Chiefson Sunday. It's phony football, it's

(14:41):
preseason, but it's awesome. Ithink we should probably wait, can we
take a look at some of thesepreseason games before I knew we laid down
some numbers last year. Can wedo that, like maybe before week one?
I think I think before in weekone we should just go all right,
here's what we got, and thenat the end of the year we
can go, Okay, we don'tknow shit because it's a cool thing to
do. It's like, you know, when you listen to sports talk radio,

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you know, and I don't listento it enough to really pay attention,
but when I do hear it,they're all they're all they're all geniuses,
right, they all know how tocoach, they all know the best
player to get, they know allthe best players to play. But then
the next week half is they're like, Okay, well that didn't work out.
You know. It's like I wantto have the receipts at the beginning
of the year, you say,you know, ten and six for the

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Texans, and I say, youknow, nine and seven for the Saints
or whatever, and at the endof the year we can go, here's
what you said. Dumb ass,you didn't get it right. Yeah,
you know, it's fun to havethat game. You know, a lot
of guys just kind of you canspout off and then there's no there's no
repercussions. I mean, here weare, We're in August. We're talking
about a football game on tomorrow.Texans are playing tomorrow on the tenth.

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We're gonna be talking this way untilFebruary. I mean football every week.
So I'm glad that you're excited aboutit. I'm super excited. Last year
was the first year that I evergot the NFL ticket, and I think
there were maybe three Bills games thatweren't like easily accessible, meaning nationally televised
games. So I don't know whatI'm gonna do yet. But the NFL

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ticket has moved over to YouTube,and I haven't looked into it yet,
to be honest with you. SoI probably should have got the early deal.
It was discounted if you got inearly. I didn't do that,
So I don't know what I'm gonnado yet this year. But it was
awesome having every NFL football, everyBills game on, you know, and

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then switching and going between the otherones. It was first time I ever
allowed myself that luxury. It isfun, man, because you know,
like I said, last year,I just didn't care it. I just
lost interest in it all. AndI paid attention, but it was like
whatever, who gives a show.I remembered you last year talking about it.
Think you just you weren't into it, and it's like, oh,
boohoo, you had Drew Brees allthose years you were so awesome. Now

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you're a little bitch because you lostyour golden child. Yep. And our
team was shit last year and it'sjust I don't know, it wasn't just
but this year there's so many coolstorylines throughout the league that you're like,
yeah, you know, like Detroit, you want to see what they're gonna
do now because they were good atthe end of last year. I mean,
there's a lot going on, soit should be a pretty interesting year.
I know what I'm doing on Sundaysnow. At least if you want

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to this is for everyone, andthen we'll move on. If you want
to, like get into football,just into it in general. Nothing better
than hard knocks. And I don'tknow where I missed the announcements and all
the trailers and everything. But Alexsaid to me this week, he said,
you know, Hard Knocks just startedand I said, where the where?
I don't even know where they are? Like what team is it?

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It started already, But Hard KnocksI don't care what the team is because
you mentioned Detroit and they were lastyear. It doesn't matter. It just
gets you into football. Hard Knocksis done, so done, so good.
I've never seen an episode. Ohmy god, that will give you
such an awesome taste, that willget you so thirsty for football. Well,

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that give me a football hard onRodney, Yeah, you will,
okay, football. I was curious. I was thinking maybe it would a
little chubby, little chubby football inmy pants. This podcast is coming out
on a Thursday, August tenth,uh big anniversary of the very first Red
Hot Chili Pepper album. Self titledalbum came out thirty nine years ago in

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nineteen eighty four. All right.Wasn't really big though, because I didn't
know about it. I didn't knowabout the Chili Peppers when that first album
came out, even like you know, milling about I mean eighty four,
damn, I mean, h mhm. Did anybody really outside of California

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did anybody go because it's pre mein the college, It's pre everything,
you know what I mean. Sothen eighty five Freaky Styley comes out.
No, I still don't know whothey Red Hot Chili Peppers are Uplift MOFO
party Plan nine eighty seven, theyear I graduated from high school. I'm
listening to different things, you know, I'm I'm open to it. Got

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a little faith no more in mylife, right, I mean, if
you're talking about like something that's similar, like a rap and a rock thing,
and I think by now I've heardof the band Fishbone I. Mother's
Milk comes out in nineteen eighty nine, and that for me, just being
honest, that's the first time theRed Hot Chili Peppers come on my radar.

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They're they're they're already a band forfive years Mother's Milk, you know,
because that's higher ground, right,that's the that's that's the Steve Stevie
Wonder cover to cover. But yeah, I wasn't. I didn't know shit
about the Chili Peppers at that point. I'm still you still keep going,
I'm still not on board. Idon't know. Then you then you got
to go to September twenty fourth,nineteen ninety one, pretty significant date in

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music because Blood Sugar, Sex Magiccomes out, Suck My Kiss is already
on the radio weeks before that,so then there's a bunch of people running
around saying that they love the RedHot Chili Peppers. September twenty fourth,
nineteen ninety one, Nirvana releases neverMind on the exact same day. No
one talks about the cult ceremony comingout that day, and Bad motor Finger

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was supposed to come out that dayand it got pushed back to October for
it wasn't reasons that you think,like, oh, Nirvana is so big.
Nobody knew Nirvana was big nobody,but Bad motor Finger was also supposed
to come out on September twenty four, ninety one, and then it got
pushed back to October. But yeah, so let's let's keep this. Chili
Peppers nineteen eighty four. It's thirtynine years that they're the debut of their

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debut album. I don't know oneperson, I mean, I don't even
know the hippiest of hip person thatwould celebrate that as a I mean,
the Chili Peppers huge, but itreally took them to their fourth album to
break through. It just goes showyou overnight success, right, overnight success.
That's how it works. You gota grind for years before you're an
overnight success, and anyone will tellyou that. What's interesting because I came

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to the game late, like ninetyninety one ninety two. I had buddies
who would say, oh, thered Out Chili Peppers are great, and
I'm like, who, And thenI slowly got into it, you know,
and I just sort of eeked myway into the Chili Peppers. What's
very interesting. I was actually watchingone of my all time favorite movies lately.
Point Break came out in nineteen ninetyone. Right who's in it?

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Fucking Anthony Keatis plays the role ofa surfer named Tone. That's when they
get in the fight out of theBeach. It's Patrick Swayze, Keanu Reeves,
you know, Johnny Utah gets hisass beat on the surfboard and then
he gets beat up by the gangof surfers and Anthony Keatis is one of
them. What you have to keepin mind about that is when you watch
the movie now, you're like,fucking Anthony Keatis was in Point Break.

(21:48):
Holy shit out cool, nobody,what he knew? Who the fuck that
guy was? In nineteen In fact, Blood Sugar Sex Magic was released September
ninety one. Like you said,Point Break was released in July of nine
nine. One point Break was outbefore the big album comes out, right,
So like he was just a surferwho looked weird and they were like,
yeah, you can be in themovie. Yeah, they were getting

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a little bit of airplay from Mother'sMilk with Higher Ground but not no higher
Ground. And then Knock Me Downwas the other one that there was a
video, and so I was awareof it, but I just wanted to
mention the album and damn thirty nineyears from their album there from their debut
album. Shit Manse guys are old. Yeah they're old, but they are

(22:29):
in rip and shape. Yeah,and they will outrun you, me and
everyone we know one hundred times over. Yeah, they're kind of like insane
live we saw me as fast.I mean, it's just it's just unbelievable,
like how just tight they are,and how they have three unbelievable amazing
musicians in a band and they havethe worst lead singer of all time,

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but they have just three just worldclass. They have John for Shot the
world. My god, I'm notI'm not making light of that. I'm
being serious. Right, They havemaybe the best rhythm section in all of
alternative rock. And then they haveAnthony Kiss. But Anthony Keys, like
we said, he you know,he's part of the elements that make that

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delicious dish. If if somebody else, what would that band maybe be?
It might not be the Chili Peppers, probably still be my band. We
might not know that they're from California. We wouldn't have written those lyrics in
every song. If there was anothersinger, we would be wondering where the
hell they're from. I mean,if someone would slip Anthony Key is a
book, you know what I mean. Let me ask you this question before

(23:37):
we move on. As a musician, Rod you think about and this is
just kind of an open ended questionfor any musician who's accomplished and who's been
doing it for you know, fortyfifty years and doing it like every day.
There you go in my opinion doesn'tmatter, right, But you're a
little closer to a musician than Iam. Okay, what do you keep

(24:02):
getting better? You know what Imean? Like, is there something that's
going to challenge. You've got fourstrings on a base, yeah, so
many notes you're gonna play. Howdo you keep going as a musician?
You know, And there are somemusicians that listen to this podcast, so
I hope they chime in on oursocial media pages, But like, how
do you keep inspired you if youtruly love your instrument? I mean,

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do you get better at cooking whenyou're a chef? Do you constantly want
to try new things out? Youknow? Do you get better at being
on the radio or do you justget to a level and it's like,
you know what, I don't wantto try anything new anymore. I don't
want to do any new stuff.I just kind of want to do what
I did that got me here andthen boom, I'm just going to kind

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of level off. Like I don'tthink like that, you know. I
mean I want to try new things. I want to try playing new games
and if I fall on my facein front of everybody, whatever. But
when it comes to a musician,Nikki six has been in the news a
lot lately, and you know,apparently he was just just a brutally awful
bass player back in the day,and you know, there were rumors that

(25:11):
maybe he wasn't playing back in theday, and you know, the producers
went in and kind of fixed everythingup because he was such a damn junkie.
And then Bob Rock is the onethat said, listen, that guy
went in and he took lessons,he worked his ass off, and he
became a better and now ultimately,rumor has it, I don't know,
but apparently he's a really good bassplayer. I think you're constantly improving.

(25:33):
Now. There are people that youknow, as they get older and drummers.
As you get older, you areless, uh, your physicality drops
and it's not just like a Larsall Rich thing, which I'm always picking
on Lars, but even going tosee Green Day, if you look at
Trey coolback in the day, Imean he is swinging and he's so animated

(25:56):
back there. And then now beingyou know a guy that's probably coming up
on fifty, it's almost like thatWill Smith. This is where you live.
You're doing that really tight little danceand it's just you're doing your physical
economy comes into play, where beforeyou were doing all these arms everywhere.

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You could do that as a youngman, but man, you can't keep
doing that as you get older,So I think that that changes. But
I think a lot of guys endup getting better as they play, you
know. I mean, it wouldalmost be impossible not to become better if
you just constantly are playing and playingand playing. I can tell you right
now, like James Hetfield is gettingbetter as he gets older. He really

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is now. A lot of thathas to do with physicality too, with
him getting cleaned up and no moredrinking and no more drugging and all that.
It's just unbelievable how good he was. He wasn't that great a rhythm
guitar player back in the day.He was good, But you see him
now and he's fucking driving, youknow, yeah, yeah, no,
I just it's it's interesting. Andagain that question is really not for everybody.

(27:04):
It's the questions for your elite musicianslike a Flea or a James Headfield,
and these guys, that's just that'sthat's part of their anatomy at this
point. You know, the bassit's like he's eating breakfast and he's got
the bass on, you know whatI mean, he's spooning one hand bass
and the other you live with.So it just it'd be interesting to sit
in a room and hear like reallyaccomplished bass players and guitar players and drummers,

(27:27):
and they're talking such a language andthere's so high level. You're just
like, how the fuck? Youknow what I mean, Like to keep
getting better at a craft, youknow what I mean, it's such a
cool thing think about Like Robert trahillMan, he was already like this phenomenal
bass player and he blew their minds. If you watch the documentary and stuff,
you'll see, man, it's justclear like he was the guy they

(27:48):
showed. They showed Pepper from Uh. I mean not to put any other
bass players down, but I meanthey showed Pepper from Pantera, and they
showed Twiggy Ramirez and a couple ofother guys that were wrecking nizable who are
probably good bass players. But Robertwas just like, ohly shit, man.
You know they were you could tellthey were blown away. And then

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he got in Metallica and he's like, oh shit, I'm in Metallica now.
And then he just drilled into hiscraft even further and he got better.
You know, you would think,how could you get better at that?
And you know, I don't thinkEddie van Halen ever got stuck in
a rut. He just constantly wantedto try new things all the time.
You know, I don't know ifthat he got better, but he never

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wanted to do the same thing overand over again. He never just rested
on what he could do when hewas a young guy. You know,
he was always trying new stuff.And it's cool. You mentioned Robert Truehel
and he you know, it's it'sthe old thing, like you don't want
to be the smartest guy in theroom. You don't want to be the
best musician in the room. No, that's your goal. But then once
you get there, you're kind oflike, okay, Like I'm a badass
bass player. I just enjoyed Metallica. These motherfuckers are great. I'm gonna

(28:55):
raise my game. There's that thatpushing and that pulling that goes on,
which is great thing. You know. It's like you find yourself in a
rut, Well, you go findsomebody who's better and go hang out with
them. That's how you get better. It forces you because sitting in a
room by yourself, it's hard toget better. You can practice, you
can practice, but let's there's someother force you know, iron sharpens iron.
As they say in the sports world, right, you want to play

(29:17):
the best so that you get better, you know. Anyway, I don't
know how the hell we got onthis conversation, but it was my dumb
question. I sent Jason two ideasfor top fives. It was a reason
for both of them too. Imean, I'm always looking for a reason.
I mean I rarely just fart outtop fives. There was an anniversary

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on Friday coming up eighty nine yearsthe first prisoners arrived on the island prison
of Alcatraz and the Rock, theRock San Francisco Bay, which is really
cool. I've been there before twicenow, it's so awesome. One of
my favorite genres of movies. Prisonin movies, one of my all time

(30:02):
greatest fears in life is going toprison. That in sinkholes. Man,
I'll tell you what it's like.It's not cancer, it's sinkholes and fucking
go into prison. Those are mytwo scariest things in life. But I
love movies based with the prison backdrop. I absolutely love it. So I
go to Jason, I'm like,man, you know, it's one of

(30:22):
my favorite genres of movies. Man, we should maybe do a prison you
know, top five our top fivefavorite prison movies. I also which I
thought really sucked. I don't knowwhy I sent it. I could give
a shit about Jenny Lane of Warrantwho you know, sad and All twelve
years ago on Friday will be theanniversary of his death. Died of alcohol

(30:45):
poisoning. He was only forty sevenwhen he passed as a sub list.
I said, you know, ifyou want to do like top five hair
band singers, and you responded quitequickly, he said, yeah, let's
go with the hair band singers.I'm like Darren, I love prison movies.
Dude on prison movies. I mean, just dude, three syllables shaw

(31:07):
Shank redemption, six syllables six fiveshaws Shank redemption. Come on, two
words, Shaw Shank redemption. Wecould have talked an hour on shaw Shank.
I know, I know, Iknow, but this goes back to
the last conversation. I'm just tryingto throw a wrench into the works.
Maybe you know this make us thinka little harder than the prison things too
easy. It's too easy. It'snot too easy. Let's grind it out
on the top five favorite fucking uhis, as is shaw Shank the best

(31:37):
prison movie. You know, I'mlooking at the list, and we could
talk about these movies. We don'thave to put him in order, you
know what I mean. Shaw Shankto me still is one of the greatest
of all time because at the endand spoiler alert, he breaks out right
and he gets away, which isthe ultimate. That's that's the all the
goal of everyone who ends up goingto prison, I would assume. But

(31:59):
then I'm looking at the this andI'm like, God, I've always even
as a kid, Escape from Alcatrazscared the shit out of me. Like
nothing made me. Yeah, nothingmade me not want to go to prison.
Like watching Escape from Alcatraz. I'mlike, that's some scary dudes,
and I don't want to go there. It's scary, scarier than the dudes
messing with Andy Well, Andy brain. I mean, sometimes he fought him

(32:22):
off, But I don't think Andyfought him off. Let's just say I
think I think Andy got a shippushed in a lot. I mean,
I'm led to believe that he gota ship pushed in a ton. But
again, according to Red's beautiful narration, he was able to fight him off
sometimes sometimes. That's what probably scaredme the most, when when you slip

(32:44):
in the words sometimes then you justgo, oh, he took it a
few times. He took it afew times. And when they when he's
in the shower and that one creepyfucker, that dude comes up, and
it's like, everybody needs friends inhere, everybody needs friends in here.
You're just going, oh, God, not that guy. You don't ever
want to be near that guy inprison, because you knew right then and
there you're like, dude, theLongest Yard, Great Original Longest Yard,

(33:08):
Sports movie, present movie. Yeah, of course, of course, yeah,
although although yeah, he's in both. But yeah, I wouldn't even
consider the the the Adam Sandler one. But I was gonna say Burt Reynolds
is in both. There's just Ijust no or no particular orders, is

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what I wrote down, because I'mtelling you, these are my favorite movies.
Man, The Greatest Escape, Yep, cool hand Luke Eggs Eat the
eggs. My man said he couldhe fit the eggs? My man?
Could he fit the eggs? Uh? Longest Yard, Midnight Express in that
express, he's in that Turkish prisoncamp. And that's very freaking jerks it

(33:54):
while she comes to visit him.Yeah, it's great, Okay, it's
real fun escape from malcol trash.Bad Boys. Do you remember Sean Penn
early eighties Bad Boys? Yeah,that was a different movie than the other
Bad Boys. Yes, it wasn'tthe Smith one. I don't think I
saw it. I don't think Isaw that one. Oh, Mike,

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is it that great Bad Boys?Yeah, it's pretty great. It would
be super dated right now, butcomplete, complete tying this together the what's
the really bastard guy, the theawful prison guard from Shawshank who beats him?

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Who beats that guy and everything?He's like the real big guy with
the deep Boys. Yeah, okay, he's a punk kid in jail with
Sean Penn. He's in that movie. He's in that original Bad Boys movie
Green Mile, And then there's andthen there's one my super duper duper sleeper
movie is Tom Selleck Innocent Man?That movie is so good, dude,

(35:04):
I haven't thought about that movie.Man so great. And that's a that's
a completely different role for Tom Sellick. Yep. But he was a movie
star for a while, like backin the day. You know, Magnan
Pi he became one of the bigbig dudes, and then you know,
three men in a Baby. Buthe made a couple of movies. But
he made this prison movie and he'sinnocent, and he's got a fucking shank
a guy. Yeah, just yougotta shank the biggest guy just so that

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nobody so he wouldn't take shit anymore. So, I mean, he's a
guy that's not supposed to be injail. He ends up shanking somebody in
jail. Never did anything out ofjail, kind of like Andy Dufran,
never really broke the law, right, Andy Dufran had to break the law
to get out of jail. Sothat should have been our top five.
Man, those are awesome movies.There's a million more. Those are off

(35:50):
the top of my head. Didn'tlook up anything at all. Those are
just that stream of consciousness. Theseare my favorite movies. I remember Cool
Hand Luke being on at the houseas a kid all the time. It
was always on on a Saturday.You know, it'd be on. I'd
come in, sit down. I'mlike, oh, he's fucking boring.
But then you get to the eggscene and a couple out of things and
you're like, oh, yeah,that's cool, but there's some just weird

(36:10):
shit in that movie. I'm like, this is dope. Oh. The
soccer version of Longest Yard is SylvesterStallone Pele Victory Victory. Yeah, yeah,
that one was great. It's thesame thing. There's a soccer match
and then at the end, youknow, the convicts win. I don't

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know which came out first, Victoryor Longest Yard. Probably yeah, Victory
is probably around there. So it'sa soccer movie. And like I said,
Pele's in it, and I rememberthe people coming and rushing the field
and the convicts took off their soccershirts and put on people's clothes and that's

(36:55):
how they all got out. Butit's not really a traditional Stallone movie because
he doesn't really know much about thesport, so they put them in there
as the goalie and it's pretty good. Man. Victory is a fucking great
movie. And I know they remadethat. They definitely did an English version
of it, and they remade itreally, yeah they did. I started

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thinking about, like, why isit that we love prison movies because they
make a ship ton of them.They always make prison movies. There was
TV shows, prison Break, allthat stuff, right, so I'm like,
why the hell do we love prisonmovies. That's a place where nobody
in their right mind would ever wantto go. Why do we love them?
Well, a part of it,and this is I'm throwing this out
to the room, it's because thosepeople are fucked up, and they're also

(37:39):
renegades, and they don't follow rules, and there's a part of us that
kind of wants to be them.You've got such great characters because they're nuts,
most of them in these prison movies, you know, and there's a
small party in there going fuck,yeah, that's badass. But because you
get sucked into the movie, you'relike, yeah, that'd be great,

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they'd be cool. I'd love toplay football man, playing with a bunch
of and beat the guards asses.How much fun would that be? And
then you realize, but then we'regonna take showers. That's right. I
forgot about that part, you knowwhat I mean. I think that's part
of it. I think there's alittle bit of it that we're like,
yeah, they're renegades, they're crazypeople, they're fucked up, and that's
why we cheer for him. Yeah, that makes sense to me. I'm

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just I'm thinking of like so manymore. I'm thinking that we really missed
out on doing a top five becauseI probably would have put there's a there's
an old it's an old black andwhite one. It's called Stalag, Stalag
Stalag seventeen, William Holden. It'sblack and white, and that movie was
made, and then they came upwith the old TV show Hogan's Heroes was

(38:49):
kind of based on Stalag seventeen.But man, that's a fucking that's an
odd that that would be in mytop five for sure. That would absolutely
be in my top five. Shanksthe best Shaw Shanks the best prison movie.
It has to be, Yeah,because the first time you watch it,
you're blown away at how they gothow we got out, Like you
didn't see that coming. I didn'tsee it coming, no way. First

(39:10):
time I saw Shaw Shank, I'mlike, huh, how's this dude gonna
get the fuck out? Yeah,didn't have any idea. I mean it
was like, no way, Likethat reveal is massive. I didn't see
it, didn't see it coming.When when you go to Alcatraz and take
a tour, they will show you, obviously the cells where the guys were,

(39:36):
so they'll say Okay, this waswhere Clint Eastwood's character was, and
this is where the other guys were, and there's where they dug through and
all of that. Yeah, theyexplain all that to me. It's pretty
awesome. What's great? Awesome?What's great about Alcatraz? And I know
that was made in the seventies,but the way it's filmed, it just

(39:57):
feels cold. It feels like prison, like you know what I mean.
Like we're talking earlier about Chef andlike you're in the kitchen. It's so
well done that you feel like you'rein the kitchen, right or not Chef
the Bear, and then you watchlike Alcatraz and it's like it just felt
cold. It was it felt likeprison. And then who is the old
guy that the painter in Alcatraz?Remember he's painting all the time, he's

(40:21):
painting, painting a picture of thewarden. Yeah, I thought Josh Sanker
was at the Alcatraz. I gethim all confused now that was Alcatraz because
you're you're kind of thinking of likethe guy with the bird he was the
other guy. Oh yeah, hewas either crazy fucking dude. Yeah.
Yeah, those prison movies are suckedup. And that's why we love him.
So so we're gonna do well.I mean, there's stuff to talk

(40:44):
about. This this hair band thing. I struggled. I struggled because I
struggled where to put things in?What box? What is just metal?
What is hair metal? What isrock? I struggle with this one a
little bit. Jenny Lane's death anniversaryis coming up. He will not be

(41:06):
in my top five list. AlthoughI've come I've come to appreciate Owren's songwriting
correct over the years. I reallythought they were just a goof I really
did, and I put them inthe same bucket as Poison, who I
think are goofballs and Jenny Lane's songwriting. And it kind of took me reading
a bunch of different books where peoplebrought his name up and they said,

(41:30):
really a good songwriter, And Iwent and listened to some things, and
uh, and he was talented andhe had a good voice too, But
I just they were just the theywere to me. They were like one
of the main reasons why that wholegenre collapsed. So I just I could

(41:51):
never get into them. I mean, they are like enemy number one when
it comes to the collapsing of youknow, that era of music, because
you can't all on Nirvana. Theywere already imploding. You know, these
bands were imploding because they were Itwas just such style over substance and it
just so you can't just blame iton that. And I looked to a

(42:13):
band like Warrant and I just look, it's your fault. It's not Nirvana's
fault. It's your fault. Anda lot of guys from that world will
say the same things, like wewere killing ourselves, we were eating our
young you know, when you hadFirehouse and Warrant and Poison and bands like
that game was over. It wasalready over. They were just waiting for
someone to come fucking turn the lightson and have the cops show up and
send anybody home. And it wasNirvana that did that, which is pretty

(42:36):
crazy. Well, we'll talk aboutthat first. We're gonna have to define
what we consider a hair band becausethere's some that I'm looked at it and
I'm like, yeah, that dude, I ain't an hairband singer. So
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I started looking at these hairballs,right, these hair band singers, and
I'm like, David Lee Roth,no Axel Rose, no Klaus from Scorpions.

(43:46):
I kind of got went back andforth on that. I'm like,
they were never they were pre hairband. But does he get lumped in that
because their popularity was in that timeperiod Scorpions, they all released songs during
that era. I mean, Ozzyreleased music during the hair band era,
but he's not. But nobody wouldever call Ozzy Osbourne like a hair band

(44:10):
guy absolute you mentioned Van Halen.No, I think that you take Dio,
you take Bruce, you take RobHalford. They're off the table,
right off the table, totally offthe table. Yeah yeah, yeah,
yeah, yeah. I went.I went straight up, like right down
the pocket of hair bands. Ifthey had a lot of fucking hair and

(44:30):
they were pretty usually that kind ofdid the deal. So I have one
on my list that I included,and then I have one that I omitted.
And I really couldn't sit there andbeat somebody up over it why I
did what I did, But Iguess I'll try to explain it. But

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this was not easy. The prisonmovies would have been a hundred times easier.
It must be a four hour podcastif we did the prison movies.
No, this this was I gotthe three and I had to start doing
some research. I got the threeguys pretty much off the top of my
head, and then I just kindof went, oh, yeah, that
guy in The hard part is fordoing this was you can't think about them

(45:16):
today. You got to think themabout them in the heyday, right,
Yeah, think about them in there, because if any of these guys are
terrible today, really, I meanmost of them, you gotta look back
and go, Okay, yeah,that dude was a badass. That guy
was cool for this reason, andright, yeah, yeah, I mean,
because there's some of these guys onmy list. You're you're gonna be

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like, yeah, dude, no, no, no, not today.
But that's okay because that was along time ago. You're singing in your
prime in the mid nineteen eighties,so you're old today. It's hard to
hit those high notes. Yeah,I really I'm struggling with. There's a
couple of names that I'm struggling withthat I'm gonna say. You're gonna say,
how is this guy on the list? How was this guy on?
And this guy not on the list? But that's why I who's this one?

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It's gonna be interesting. See,Okay, I'm trying to say,
salvage my ass. You you letme go first so I can just get
them all the way. Uh yeah, I guess. I mean, I
kind of thought this would be agood one to do, and I'm admitting
now that I fucked this up prettybad. Well, Okay, go ahead,
let's see. I mean, itremains to be seen here if this
is a turd or not. No. The criteria was top five favorite front

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men from the hair metal era.Right, it's not necessarily singers, it's
just frontman. That's where it gets. I put to my favorite hair band
singers, I don't know going Imean it doesn't. I mean, if
they have a guitar around their neck, that's fine, okay, cool Number
five Tom Keefer love them, Cinderella, love them. I never don't think

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I don't think they should be ahair metal band. I think they were
a rock blues based band. Theyto come out around that time. I
mean they get lumped into that thosesongs should be played on classic rock radio
totally, and they're great songs.They don't have the sound of the hair
beads with man their look. Holyshit, they helped really solidify that hair
thing. Man, they got caughtup in the marketing through the Left Record

(47:13):
label. They said, oh tsadshit up, bro sh up. And
then classic rock only has room forone Axel Rose. And I'm not saying
that they sound similar, but thatstyle of singing. You know, you
can go ac DC and then youcan put guns and roses on. But
then when it comes to Cinderella,that's a hair band. And just that
phrase itself I mean, I knowthere's a lot of people that battle against

(47:36):
it, and you know, andI don't think it's necessarily right. I
just think that bands they get sweptunder the rug and they lose a whole
generation of being on the radio.Because I really think Cinderella has great classic
rock songs. I totally, yeah, absolutely, But you know what if
you if you take ac DC right, you know that's some that that that

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voice is a little bit grating aftera while, Axel rose to a let
we're talking about a style of singing. Sure, But like I always felt
that Cinderella, it was just itwas little more nails on the chalkboard,
you know what I mean. Ididn't love it, but I've grown to
appreciate it more over the years.So tom Key for Cinderella number five,
number four, this would be fun. I'll probably eat some shit for this

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one. Mark Slaughter from the bandSlaughter case you were curious. I never
really liked Slaughter back in the daythat much. It was never like I
had a buddy who was into him, loved him, had the head,
had the fucking albums, was alwayswriting Slaughter on his foulder and shit.

(48:43):
Yeah, and then I was likeman, that dude can he can well
his ass off. It looks likea girl, sings like a girl.
I've listened to Slaughter recently and I'mlike, Okay, it's dated sounding,
it's not great, but that dudecan fucking sing, you know, And
that's why I like it. Icould never get into him. Yeah,

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yeah, you know, he sangwith Vinny Vincent Invasion before that, and
and and just because of Vinny andhis time and kiss. So that's the
only reason why I gave that atthe time of day and I looked in
you know, back, I justyou know, I just wanted to see
what he was up to. AndI could never do it, for the

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same reason why somebody probably says theycan't stand Tom Keeper's voice. That voice,
Yeah, I couldn't. I couldn'tdo it. But Canny sing,
Yeah, yeah, it's it's it'suh numbers five, four, number three.
I'm gonna eat shit for this onetoo. I hated him when when
they were out. I didn't likethe band because they were that they were

(49:51):
in that lump lumping in of thebands that were the downfall Kip Winger,
Kip Winger, Sorry, all right, I'll take it. Just go ahead,
go ahead. Kip Winger. Iliked his voice and he wrote some
decent songs. They were goofy,but he was cool too. Man,
he was a badassm my god,was he handsome. The Winger band was

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the best musical band of all ofthe hair era bands. Rod Morgenstein,
I don't even know what he wasdoing in that band. The drummer,
he was just unbelievable. Red Beachon guitar. Kip Winger's a really good
bass player. And if you needthe backing up of that, I mean

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he was in Alice Cooper's band,and Alice Cooper gets the absolute best of
the best of the best in hisband. So if you've gone and you've
gone through Alice's band, if you'vegotten his stamp of approval, you're fucking
awesome. Like he just doesn't takeanybody, and back then it was even

(50:58):
worse. He could just get anybodyhe wanted, you know. It was
like Coverdale could get anybody he wanted. So yeah, uh, Kip Winger
was He's a great musician. He'sa great musician, super handsome, and
he just got fucking destroyed by Beavisand butt Head. I mean, you
talk about and to lose, toget destroyed by a fucking cartoon they I

(51:21):
don't know that most people will knowthis. I'm not joking. They got
destroyed by Beavis and butt Head.They got destroyed like all other bands of
that genre because of the grunge movement, but Beavis and butt Head just pushed
them down even further. You're like, Rod, it's a cartoon on them
TV. No, it made themabsolutely untouchable for years. Yeah, they

(51:45):
were. They immediately branded. Yeah, they couldn't do anything. Branded,
uncooled out of them. As soonas they started. It was over.
It was over. Number two.Sebastian Bach. You can't fucking touch that
skid Row album. You can't touchit. His vocals, Like I heard
I Remember You just the other dayand I hadn't heard it in a long

(52:07):
time, and I'm like, god, dang, that's amazing, Like it's
unblievable, how good. It's worldclass. It's it's beautiful. When you
listen to that shit, you're like, Wow, this is really really awesome,
Like it's special. And now he'san idiot, But back then,
man, that dude could fucking wellone of the best voices. He is

(52:31):
a goofy fucking dude. Huh.He's a horse's ass, He's a mess.
He's a goofy dude, he reallyis. I've heard on the radio
and doing interviews and stuff, andhe's a goofball. He's a better singer
than he is talker. Let's justput it that way. And then number
one, my favorite all time.And and maybe you want to argue this,
but I feel like this is wherehe made his hay and made his

(52:52):
most popularity. And you already mentionedthe dude, the great English gentleman David
Coverdale of White Snake. I can't, I can't. I can't fault that
dude at all for anything. He'scool, he's a rock star, handsome
is all. Get out here Igo again. Come on, he was
in fucking deep purple. No,I know, I know, the guy

(53:14):
had been playing in the seventies.He's better wrong forever. But the air
band, dude, if you takeWhite Snake, yeah is it? Yeah?
Big hair, the chicks in thevideos, the whole thing, the
tawny Kittain on the car and stuffthat people know you're right, the stuff

(53:34):
that people know you're right. Butyeah, your purios are gonna be like,
fuck you get deep purple? Hewas great. I don't know any
deep purple he's saying, I'm sorryI'm doing I don't Probably that just just
the sawn burn. That's the onlything that people know. Yeah, well,
there you go. I just couldn'tbring myself to put David Coverdell on
the list. He's one of myall time favorite singers. So and I

(53:59):
just know that, I just knowthe history and how long White Snake has
been around, and David Coverdelle hadbeen around, but White Snake they made
their hey eight, you're right,and I should have put it in my
list, and I didn't, Andthen the one that I did put in
there, it's like it was kindof like before that. But okay,
okay, I'm all over the placeon this too hard. A couple of

(54:21):
couple of things that a couple ofthings we match up on in a number
five. Steve Whiteman kicks, hefucking has a killer voice. When I
was playing with your boys, MikeGallardi out there in Lockport, New York,
kicks kind of happening and we weredoing a bunch of that stuff.

(54:44):
But I mean, don't Close yourEyes was the big ballad beautiful blood,
blow my fuse, get it whileit's hot, red Light, green Light,
t NT. I mean he hada really good voice. As a
matter of fact, I think hemay have taught singing and they just re
suddenly announced their retirement if you canbelieve that they're still playing. But boy,
that guy could sing his ass off. I'm a huge Kicks fan.

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I love. I have three oftheir albums, and you know, for
all I know, they got twenty, but the three albums that I have,
there's just fucking bangers on there.And he can sing his ass off.
Steve Whiteman, I believe he's avocal coach, so he's that kind
of level singer. And at numberfour I put Sebastian Bach. He's got

(55:29):
the best voice. I mean,after Coverdale, he's got the best voice.
But just got burned out on somuch of that stuff, him being
a goofball. Now you said yougot to judge them from when they were
doing there, at their peak oftheir that they're performing. I just I
just I don't know. He's great. He's great. He's in my top
five. Sebastian Bach is fucking great, and I've seen him on too much

(55:52):
stuff. I've just seen him,and then even on like Goofy, like
v H one, like the rockand Rollers all trying to live together,
they're in a house, and hejust seemed like the biggest asshole. And
that should not play into this becausewe're talking about singers from the hair era
and he was one of the best. I mean, and he was young,

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he was so unbelievably young. Problemwas he gets hired for skid Row
eighteen. In life, everything's done, everything's written. You know, he's
not getting the money from that stuff. And even though I mean, Snake
Sabo probably wrote all that stuff orwhatever it was written, but there's no

(56:37):
denying what he fucking did to thosesongs. You know, he's gonna sing
them like that, correct, Andthere's no way that they wrote it like
that. Somebody pulled that out ofSebastian Box to sing the songs like that,
But technically he didn't write the songs. He's not getting that, he's
not getting the writer's money. Youknow, it's a huge difference the size

(56:59):
of the homes and I'm sure SebastianBox okay, but there's a big difference
between the size of the homes ofthe songwriter. You know, Johnny Resnick's
house is probably a little bit biggerthan Robbie's, way way bigger. I'm
sure. Well, you know that'sthe thing nowadays is you want to get
your name on that song. That'sget the publishing, get a percentage,
get a cup. You always geta line on that song. Sebastian's in

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at number four, in at numberthree, really trying to keep it.
Hair bands, Mark torrean Bullet Boysman. They shit. They kind of
were projected to be the next VanHalen. He was projected to be.
Now, they didn't have anything likeuh, you know, Eddie in the
band, but it was Mark Torrian. It was the lead singer who had

(57:45):
this unbelievable voice like David Lee Rothnever shut up during the songs, was
always making noises and woo who's andeverything. They got Ted Templeman to do
the first album, smooth Up inYeah you know I Love of Money.
Yeah. Yeah, he's a greatone. He's still in the band.

(58:06):
He's still out playing his Bullet Boys. He's the only original member of the
band still. But it was great. He looked cool, they looked cool,
They were great. They were awesome. And then the two albums and
then the third I think two whenthey fizzled out. I mean I bought
the Hike because when they came out, oh this is the next Van Halen.

(58:28):
So what did I do. Iwalked into the store and give me
that Bullet Boys thing. I didn'thear the fucking songs. I went and
bought it immediately. I'm like,okay, let's see what you got.
And I listened to it a bunchof times. I'm like, it's cool.
I like some of it. Iloved a couple of the tunes,
and that was that. I wasdone with the Bullet Boys. After that,
I didn't I didn't know they dida second album. I didn't care.
It was cool. I thought thatdude was a badass sing his ass.

(58:50):
Might have been the second album,Zaza might have been the Turd,
it might have been whatever. Idon't give a shit. I just it
just wasn't there. And it wasn'teven comparing it to Van Halen, because
you can't. You know, anytimeyou hear you know, Greta van Fleet,
the next LEDs up and you immediatelygo, oh, good luck,
boys, you're fucked. That's thekiss of death. Man Reddie band.
But man, that Bullet Boy albumis fucking awesome start to finish. It's

(59:15):
cooled. The whole album is great. I mean there's the googie stuff,
there's the there's there's the ice creamman sounding shit. I mean it really
was like, let's see if we'vegot another Van Halen on our hands here.
Yeah, they didn't uh in atnumber two before the hair stuff,
but I still I wanted to mentionhim. I put Kevin Dubro from Quiet

(59:38):
Riot. I think a hale,Yeah, quite right, it's a fucking
hair band. Come on, alwayskicked it off basically, don't you think
Matt choir Riot kind of kid?Because they went to number one with Mental
Health album right eighty three eighty four, and then you know they were on
solid gold and they were, youknow, hair bands, our guys,
Our guys broke through to the mainextreme. That's where I looked at him,

(01:00:00):
like, holy fuck, what abuzz broke through? Dude? Holy
shit? You know you could callthem the Nirvana of hair bands, you
know, a weird sentence structural lead. But yes, I suppose that would
work, so I thought they would. They should be included. And Kevin
Dubro, one of the best.One of the best rock umentaries that you

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can see is the one that's done. Now he's no longer with us,
but the drummer of Quiet Riot putout a documentary He's Either Yeah, and
him and Kevin were best friends,and when they were trying out lead singers,
that's when I realized, holy shit, man, nobody can sing like
Kevin Dubro. Nobody can sing thatstuff. I mean, did you see

(01:00:44):
that documentary? I did not know, dude. It's one of the absolute
best. And they kind of pokefun it themselves a little bit. There's
a guy getting married in Vegas anda guy in the lobby says, dude,
I can do it. I canbe your singer, and they're like,
fuck, all right, well you'renot getting married for twenty minutes.
They take the guy upstairs in theroom and they're rolling film on this and

(01:01:06):
the guys singing to a fucking boombox. He becomes their singer. He becomes
their singer. He auditions in asuite in a Vegas hotel room before the
guitar players getting married. It's justsilly shit like that. And he was
replacing the guy that was fucking apainter who fell asleep on stage Jesus.

(01:01:30):
It is absolutely one of the greatestrock docs ever. I don't know the
specific name of it, but ifyou just looked them quite riot. But
back to my original why I putKevin on here is nobody could sing that
stuff. Kevin Dubro's voice was powerful. They just couldn't write their own songs
because they did. Come on.Feel the Noise was an old Slade song,

(01:01:51):
you know, and that was thebig one. They didn't, you
know, they didn't want to evenrecord that song. They rehearsed it like
twice, ran it through, andFrankie Banally the rum He's like, he's
like, yeah, And I rememberwatching an interviewer reading somewhere he said he
said, yeah, we went torecord it and the way the drums start,
that's not how it was supposed togo. But nobody wanted to do
it, so we ripped through itquick and I did the drums wrong in

(01:02:13):
the beginning of the song. Butwe kept it because we didn't give a
shit. We thought it was gonnabe a throwaway. It's insane. Yeah,
they didn't. They didn't want todo it. I didn't want to
do it becomes the biggest hit andeverything. Yeah, so Kevin dubrow in
it number two. I did notput Coverdale on my list, but number

(01:02:34):
my number one is just for thereasons that I was talking about earlier.
Tom Keefer, I really feel likethat band fucking got the shaft being on
that being like labeled a hair band, and I think they're completely being robbed
from from being on classic rock radio. Those songs are blues songs, man,
put the Last Train Out of MyHeart and all that stuff. I

(01:02:58):
just it's in saying to me thatthat stuff's not being played on the radio
except for you know, the hairmetal station on XM and probably a few
a few handful of rock stations inthe country, you know. But that
band got the shafts and yeah,I don't know's he's my favorite. And

(01:03:20):
it's a weird voice. I getit. It's a fucking weird voice because
he can sing right, you know, if you hear the parts that he
sings, you know, I mean, don't know what you got till he's
gone. Till it's gone, hesings, and then he's like he does
that fucking high thing and it worksfor me, but I don't think it
works for anyone else. No,Well, you know how radio works.

(01:03:40):
You test songs with focus groups andshit, and and people have tested that
stuff over the years, and itjust doesn't fly. It doesn't work,
I think it, you know what, It got limited popularity in the heyday
of the eight late eighties, andthen grunge it went away and it never
sort of came back because it justnever sort of fit, you know.

(01:04:00):
And I've worked in classic rock radiofor years back in the day, and
never crossed my mind, I gottabe honest, because it's just nobody was
playing. It didn't work on theradio. And how much Cinderella really got
played on the radio back in theday, you know, Yeah, they
had four or five songs on theradio, but it wasn't like they were

(01:04:21):
like eating it up. They weren'tlike the band ever, I don't,
right, They always kind of slippedthrough the cracks a little bit, you
know, in a weird way.Would would Joe Elliott have been an option
if you love Deaf Leppard? WouldJoe Elliott be an option for a hair

(01:04:42):
metal head singer? Yeah, becauseI would have. He was on my
list, But he just just theway their albums are produced, there's so
much help. You know, Idon't know if the guy I can really
sing or not. I have noidea because there's so much help on those
albums. He kind of can.Man, they're still out performing live,
and you know they're still doing itlive though. I mean, I don't
think there's just a ton of backingtracks and stuff when they perform live.

(01:05:06):
I mean, you know I wouldhave allowed it, Like I said,
you know Coverdale, Yeah, youtalked me into it. There are a
hair you know, White Snakes,a hair band, Axel Rose. You
know, does anybody think Guns n'Roses is a hair band like a hair
glam band? No, because yousaid it before. They're one of the
reasons that the traditional hair died becausethey came out and they were just dirt

(01:05:28):
bags, didn't give a shit abouttheir I mean no, Yeah, Axel
had that first video it was teasedup, but outside of that, that
was just a dirty, scary band. It wasn't a There was not that
hair band image. They were notpoison at all. Motley cruz biggest production
was during this era hair band.See, that's where I kind of went

(01:05:50):
against my own rules a little bitbecause Vince Neil's voice I've always loved on
the albums. I loved that dude'svoice, Oh my god, but he
can't sing for shit anymore. Sothat's where I kind of I kind of
went and thought, Yeah, that'swhy I don't think I put him in
there, because he's fucking rocks.I've seen him many times over the years,

(01:06:11):
and yeah, I can't say they'rea hair metal band totally, but
he can't fucking say they a hairmetal band. Yeah, Molly Cruz,
Okay, I think so because theyare. Actually. You know, if
you think about what was it eightythree too fast for or a shout at
the Devil? You can't count toofast for love? Nobody knew what the
fuck that one shout of Devil eightytwo? Right, So they're in the

(01:06:33):
beginning stages of it all. Isaw eighty three or Theater Pain there with
that's the peak of hair Theater ofPain, glam rock. Theater of Pain
was when they really got that uberpopularity, crossed over to a lot of
different things. Home Sweet Home.You know you got the poster on the
wall, Tommy Lee, all thatgood shit. I love two bands that

(01:07:00):
I loved during this era, butI just the singers are just not great?
Is Dockin? Don Docin's got ahorrible voice even back in the day,
had a horrible voice. But theyhad great songs. And George Lynch
was fucking Eddie van Halen esque,so that's why they didn't get mentioned.
And Rat Rat has fucking a milliongreat songs. But I just never thought
Stephen Pearcy had a great voice.You know. I love Rat, I

(01:07:25):
desolutely love Rat. Did you seethe Dio documentary that like Eddie Trunk did
and his what and Dio's wife did? Did you ever see That's on cable
somewhere. I wanted it and itwas cool. I didn't know a lot
of that shit about Deo starting offand they're like the fucking sixties and a
duop band and all this stuff.Yeah, but there was a great thing
where they were doing, like,you know, the We Are the World

(01:07:46):
where all the all the pop starsgot together. They did a metal version
of some sort of charity thing.Yeah, the band it was called Hearing
Aid. Hearing Aid, right,So Ronnie was really kind of running the
show in the studio. It lookedlike from when I gathered and like,
all these amazing singers are coming through, and Don Docan comes through it and
and they just show him singing andRonnie's just going bopping his head and then

(01:08:10):
like Don Docan comes in and shakesRonnie's hand like he's meeting God or something,
you know, and Ronnie makes thisgreat comedy, goes, oh yeah,
Don Dokin rocking with Dockin, right, yeah, okay, all right,
it just sort of dismisses to thefucking room. Like Ronnie James Dio's
like, okay, all right,we'll we'll we'll bury the we'll fix it.
Yeah, because even Don Docin said, oh my god, I'm singing

(01:08:32):
in front of Dio because nobody wenton dock and didn't say, is I
can't sing? But yeah, no, Ronnie James DEO was like the Quincy
Jones of We Are the World.Yeah, you know, Quincy put that
together with Michael Jackson, and Diowas the guy, you know, he
was the guy behind the board andyou know, keeping everybody in line and

(01:08:55):
stuff. So cool though, man, Yeah, what what was great about
the documentary was, you know,Ronnie James Dio started out playing the trumpet,
which is like one of the hardestfucking instruments to play. Because you
have to have so much lung capacityand strength and your diaphragm to play a
trumpet, right, and he creditsplaying the trumpet as a kid to his

(01:09:15):
massively powerful voice. He wouldn't havemake it wasn't for that. You know,
It's like that makes sense, JesusChrist. If he played the tuba,
he would have fucking blown every speakerin the world. Didn't need a
microphone, man, you need airfor a trumpet. You should try blowing
a fucking French horn sometime. I'mgonna I'm gonna stay away from that stuff.
There's plenty of people in New Orleansand know how to do that.

(01:09:35):
I'm good, I got you.I'm trying to think, so, yeah,
we were pretty on the same pagewith everything else. I'm trying to
see if we've glaringly missed anybody.You know, there's just one hit Wonders
And if somebody's gonna say, well, what about that dude from steel Heart
and blah blah blah, it's like, come on, you're gonna put him
on you You're gonna put him onthe list for one song. Yeah,

(01:09:58):
I mean, you listen to thatdude's voice, and he fucking rips,
but it's insane one song. Allright, we got you, and don't
start hitting us up on the deepcuts. We got it. It's like,
once you get past, don't closeyour eves from Kicks. I'm kind
of like, Okay, I'm wanderingaround the woods looking around like I don't
know what the fuck you're talking about. Yeah, I'm a huge Kicks fan.
Man. They had they had abunch of hits. They had a
bunch of hits on their hand,but it hits in your house. They're

(01:10:21):
Ross Ross Graham, Ross Graham.Just because I got to mention the Canadian
on this show lead singer, littletiny guy Killer Dwarfs, remember them,
Holy shit, Oh it doesn't matterat all, Killer dirty that and dirty

(01:10:42):
Weapons. It doesn't it doesn't matterand dirty Weapons. You'll go and listen
to it after the pod you'll say, lock Rod's right. That guy's voice.
He's just kind of a goofball.He was a little short guy,
and Canadians sometimes resorted to humor withtheir music and just it was you know,

(01:11:03):
the I don't know. I meanif you look at the early bare
Naked Lady stuff, they were kindof goofballs and they always like introduced humor.
This was a small little guy.The name of the band was the
Killer Dwarves. He had a hugevoice on him. He had a really
good voice. He hits a RickEmmett voice, you know some Rick Emmett

(01:11:25):
notes. But he was a littleguy and he always was goofy on stage,
compensating for him being a small dude. Killer Dwarfs two albums and I'm
out. But I had to golook up his name too. I don't
know his name. Russ Graham,Killer Dwarfs. It doesn't matter, and

(01:11:45):
Dirty Weapons stand tall as another single. Others I do remember that band.
I did not remember those songs,and I sure shit didn't know. You'll
know when you hear it. Yeah, it doesn't. It doesn't matter as
a ballad. It's like that.It's their power ballad. You'll totally remember
it. When you listen to itto Good Time, you're like, oh,
shit, is a really good song. Dee. This is why this
podcast it doesn't take that long todo it. Problem is, as soon

(01:12:05):
as I get done, I spendthe next four hours listen to music all
night. So I wake up everyThursday morning because we record on Wednesday night.
Thursday mornings, I'm wandering around withlike three hours to sleep because everyone's
like, why do you look likeshit today? I'm like, fucking podcast
last night. Wow, how longdoes it take you guys to do it?
Not that long? Actually, it'sall the bullshit. I'll go look

(01:12:27):
up movie scenes and I'll go listento music. It's just I'm stuck with
it, and I'm like fuck becausethen if I don't do it tonight,
I'll just forget about it. Forinstance, for instance, you brought up
last episode that you played a songon your morning show. Oh, I

(01:12:48):
was gonna ask, I was gonnasave this from Chris Stapleton. Now you
are an alternative rock station. Christepletonis definitely a country artists, no question,
like one of the biggest country artistsout there right now. And my
words, my words exactly because Iset them. This is the best rock

(01:13:10):
song out there right now. Sodo you get a chance to listen to
it? I did. I listenedto it three times, and you know,
Chef, I'm not feeling this one. I'm not feeling this ain't Harry
Styles. Now. Look now,look, let me just let me just
say I like the song, andthe fucking song is great. I love

(01:13:31):
the song. Yeah, I ain'tplaying it on my alternative registation. It's
not as palatable as jelly roll.Jelly roll is not a twiny country song.
The second I started the Chris Stablesand song, I'm like, oh
yeah, that's fun country song.So I can see where you're losing some
guys on that one. When youbecause you said the last episode you had
some comments, Oh you see it. It's a great fucking song. Holy

(01:13:53):
shit, is it cool. Ican't play that one. I got my
limits, bro, I can't dothat one. I love it, though
no one else is playing it.I mean, no rock station. So
still in the United States of America, no rock station has jumped out on.
It's certainly no alternative stations. We'relike this, We're kind of like
this weird hybrid kind of station.But you know where we are an alternative

(01:14:15):
radio station that rocks. I don'tknow, yeah, I mean, just
every now and then, try somethingdifferent. But you like the song though,
I mean I do. I knowyou, I know me, you
know me. We're not country guysat all. You know, you can
appreciate the stuff. You can appreciatemusic. Good music is good music.

(01:14:35):
But this guy's voice. Man,you know, I don't have I don't
have new stuff coming from Chris Cornellanymore. No. And I'm not saying
that he sounds like him, buthis voice is doing that for me.
His voice is that thing that ChrisCornell's voice did for me on those cover
songs that last album that he putout. Chris Dableton's voice is doing it

(01:15:00):
for me, dude. Yeah,if it's if it's packaged up in a
in a twangy country thing, fuck, I might be switching teams man,
Yeah, but it's not super country. You know. We were at the
beach a couple of weeks ago andI'm sitting there with my son and somebody
had a radio on. They're they'replaying a bunch of country music, and
and as soon as the dude turnedit on, it was like ten seconds

(01:15:24):
and we both looked at each otherand started rolling our eyes, like,
oh fuck, I'm stuck next tothis bullshit because and then we started playing
a game how soon do we heara lyric about a truck, my beer,
or my dog, you know thecliches, and and literally it was
every song, and I said,listen, and my son's really into music

(01:15:45):
and he gets it, you know. And I've never forced fed on anything.
I serve it up and either likesit or he doesn't. Just like
anybody else, I don't say,well, you need to listen to alternative
rock. Oh you need to listento Metallica. I'll introduce it. If
he digs it great. If hedoesn't, that's fine, I say listen.
I don't want you to hate countrymusic because of this horseshit, this
bro country crap. I said,you gotta go dig around in some Johnny

(01:16:06):
Cash, and you gotta go oldschool on some shit, right this Chris
Stapleton a great example, you know, and there's others out there. I
said, go get some of thatolder shit. This new stuff is fucking
bad. It's just bad. It'sit's music for people who hate thinking or
something. I don't know what itis. It's fucking terrible. It's overproduced,
it's slick, it's just terrible shit. Yeah, but those country guys

(01:16:29):
eat it up. Man. I'mI'm on calls with country programmers and they
just as soon as that fucking songsays something about a Ford truck or whatever
shitty line, they're just like,oh, this is gonna be great.
I'm like listening to it, going, this is a dogshit song. It's
just bad. Dude. Yeah,I don't think I'm switching anytime soon.

(01:16:50):
But I think Chris Stapleton is justI don't know. I think it's just
a different guy. I think he'sjust a different guy. He's he's kind
of his own dude. He's he'sa bad as You listen to a ship
and it's just like he's got somethingto say. That's what it's a That's
what it is. He's got somethingto say. It's not just Hey,
I'm in my truck driving around townlooking for chickens or whatever the fuck it

(01:17:10):
is out there, you know.So yeah, no, I'm not playing
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gonna be did you get a chanceto listen to the song which you already
kind of told me about that.I know it's a stretch to play that
on this on my radio station.It probably won't get played on any other

(01:18:42):
certainly not an alternative radio station.It'll be interesting to see if some rock
stations, which there's a there's stilla format of rock radio station out there,
and it'll be interesting to see ifsomebody picks up that Chris Stapledon song.
I don't know, we have notplayed it. I played it last
week three times Wednesday, Thursday,Friday. Yeah, I looked, you

(01:19:03):
played it three times, bro.You know, we talk a lot about
radio, obviously, because that's whatwe do for a living, you know.
And you know how it is,Rod you're out. People are like,
oh you're Rod Ryan from the Buzz. Holy shit, cool can get
a picture? You know. Thathappens from time to time. It happens
to me from time to time.Hey you're getting You're on the radio.
Holy shit, how cool man?You know. Wow, that's great.

(01:19:25):
And there there are plenty of perksthat come with this gig, you know
what, I know it, everyoneknows it's great. I love doing it.
I don't do radio for those parksand those that recognition. I don't
care. I do it because Ilove the creative outlet that it gives me.
It makes me think something new everysingle day, right, same with
you gotta you gotta produce a fourhour show every day. I gotta produce
a radio station every day and theshow and all these things. So we're

(01:19:46):
always working. You're always thinking ofthe next thing, and it's great.
Keeps your brain moving when you're onthe management side, though. And I
am a program director, Andy Travis. If you will from w carape,
you've been a program director. Sometimesyou gotta handle some bizz, right,
you gotta take care of some thingsbecause it's inevitably we'll all fall on your

(01:20:09):
desk. Now. I'm there topick music, do some things, have
some promotions, giveaway concert tickets,you know, radio shit. My engineer
comes in the other day and hegoes, hey, man, we got
a problem. Like okay, engineersays, we got a problem. That
means we're off the air or somethingbad. It's happening, right, He

(01:20:29):
goes, someone's taken as shit atnight and not flushing and in the morning
it's pretty much fucking gumbo. AndI gotta come in here every morning to
look at it. And they getthe PD on that. Let me get
the program director on that. AmI programming the ship house? You know
what I mean. And I said, okay, so I go. You

(01:20:54):
know what I did. I didwhat anyone would have done in that moment.
I fucking swept it under the rug. Okay, I'll say something to
somebody. I don't know. I'mlike, I'm not fucking going up to
a human being going, hey,flust the toilet happening often that. He
came to you like, it's athere's a serial put her leaving it.

(01:21:16):
I mean, you wouldn't think you'djust walk into that one time and you
go see the program director about that. He said it happened a couple of
times and he was a little bitgrossed up by it, and he's like,
we have to address this. Andof course I'm being the good program
director soldier, and I'm taking itserious because you know, you got to
in this day and age. AndI'm like, yeah, man, I'll
put on a note or something.And again I swept it under the rug.

(01:21:38):
I fucking blue pass and I ignoredit. So I'm in early this
morning. My general manager comes inand he runs all the stations, right,
this is this is the boss.This is the boss. Right.
Yeah, He's like, hey,Guinty, how you doing hey, mail,
I want to talk to you abouta couple of things. And first
I get hit the head, likeokay, cool, He fucking door opens
up, goes in. All Ihear is what he walks into ship.

(01:22:04):
He goes and there's a fucking biscuitsstilling, and he comes out and he
goes, he goes, what thefuck? What kind of And I'm not
going to repeat what he said becausehe's a general manager, but it wasn't
you know. It was a littlecolorful of you will, and he was
passed about it. So I'm like, oh shit, now I might have
to actually do something. But thenin my head I'm thinking, oh,

(01:22:26):
the general manager discovered it, well, then this will be falling on his
responsibility, right, So I'm tryingto play this game of not getting involved
as much as possible. And thenthe engineer comes in an hour later.
You didn't volunteer, like, hey, yeah, that was brought to my
attention. I've been meaning to getto you about. No. No,
I set on my hands. Ididn't say shit, because that's what you
do in this situation, and uhyeah now, and then the engineer comes

(01:22:50):
back in an hour later and hegoes, hey, man, I talked
to the Talk to the jam.He's a little upset about the bathroom.
I'm like, fuck, so Igo, all right, I'll send an
email. Dude. I started writingan email then I'm going to send out
to all the dudes at work inthe radio station. Hey, And I
got like halfway through it and Iclosed it up and I deleted it.

(01:23:10):
I can't send an email about flushthe goddamn toilet. I think you can.
I think I'm gonna have to youin the morning, but I wasn't
in a headspace to do it tonight, so I could just hang a sign
in there, you know paper,Hey, be sure to flush. Boys.
Why would you not bring that draftin for the listener and me?

(01:23:30):
Why would you not have that draftlike for us to kind of, you
know, like you could try itout on me. Why wouldn't you have
that ready to go for this show? Hey, guys, if you go,
Why didn't we lead with this?Why are we closing with this?
I mean, we don't get thatmany people watching and listening to this dumb
podcast, But would you lead withthat next time? Please? And then

(01:23:55):
if we do it three weeks ina row, will you start with this
and then I'd like the letter read, and then I would like to know
every single thing that happened once youhit send. Would you start the podcast
off next week with this? Iwill, I will. I will attack
this problem head on. Okay,I will, I will get in on

(01:24:15):
it. I will write a verywell crafted email, and then you not
want people listening to us. Imean, why would you save this for
the end? It is pretty good. Probably two people hanging on right now
to enjoying the show. Maybe.Yeah. Well, anyway, just to
reiterate in closing, yeah, flushyour logs. That's what you gotta deal

(01:24:38):
with as a program director, youknow, super cool guy radio station.
And I gotta send an email tomorrowto a bunch of grown ass men to
remind them to flush the toilet atwork. That's not in my contract,
but I'm going to do it anyway. Greatest ending of the show ever.
Thanks. Thanks. Yeah, It'snot what I had on my final thought,

(01:25:00):
but I kind of remembered it andI was like, fuck, I
gotta throw this one out to therooms. Who people think if it's brown,
flush it down? Bruh. Yeah, that's what we gotta do.
So anyway, I'm done. I'vehad enough for tonight. I'm out,
all right, bro. Thank youguys. If you are just listening to
this, you can watch it onour YouTube channel at play pants Pod,

(01:25:21):
and then Twitter and Facebook and whereveryou get your podcasts. Great, thank
you for listening to this nonsense.Flush please and flush let's go find us
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