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Here we go. God it thanksfor that. Okay, good God,
right, we're doing this podcast.What good. Let's go out. Hey,
we're back. Everybody high. That'sJason Ginty right there. I haven't
seen him in a long time.We took July off from doing this silly

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podcast. But we're back. It'sAugust, baby, and this is podcast
ninety one. Jason. Good tosee him, a man. Yeah,
it's good to be seen again.I mean, after eating shit for the
last four weeks on our social media, guys take the longest vacation ever,
all the ship, we ate allthe comments, and you know what,
it's great. I love that kindof stuff because they keep you honest.

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They keep you honest. And uh, I don't know if it was a
vacation, but I think I thinkit was good to get away for a
minute. You know. I mean, I know you were. You were
doing a little traveling. I wasdoing a little traveling. So and again,
at the end of the day,like we've said from day one,
this is something we do in ourin our spare time, which we neither
one of us have any so westill do it. So the fact that
we even pull this off on afairly weekly basis. I think it is

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pretty good, so it's going tobe back. So I had London for
the whole month of July, andobviously I still worked, but we did
take a vacation in there. ButI don't know, man, I don't
know when that happens. My kidis just not to that point. It's
just her and eye, you know, for the month. There's no Hey,
I'm Daddy's gonna go and talk abunch of dumb crap with mister Jason

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for an hour and a half.She's like, no, no, we're
hanging out, dude, But no, we're doing this puzzle. We're playing
Princess Uno and then we're playing uhmini Mouse trouble with the little popper in
the middle, and then and thengo Fish and then War. When would

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you have time, dad, todo a podcast with that silly pirate?
You know, just there's no time. Let me ask you this because this
is this is fun. You know, you're playing these games War. I'll
play World a day like. I'vehad epic, long ass war games with
both of my kids over the years, and it's the best. Double war.

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Double war is when you lose yourship, you flip that car bababe,
we're doing the begin there's like screamingand yelling and high five and losing
your ship. It's the best,but as you play right, you're not
playing to win. But do youthrow it? Like when you're playing war?
Gets pretty long, man. SoI'll you know, when I'm getting

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my cards together and she's not looking, you know, I'll put in So
ace is the low one for us, right, Okay, so I'll put
you. If I got an ace, I'll keep that on the bottom.
So if she's got you know,like a low card, I'll just she
can't see me dealing from the bottom. Yeah, eventually I throw it.
Um. I was not throwing anyUno games, Okay. Uno with the

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Ryans is pretty brutal. So whenwe went back home night. You can't
play Uno with two people reverse skip, you know what I mean. It's
weird. You gotta have three people. So forever, when I would go
home, you know, all thoseyears going home single, it would just
be the three of us and wewould play. Oh no, I couldn't
not. I couldn't get away frommy mom. I mean I had to

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sit next to my mom. Therewas just three of us playing, and
she is just fucking brutal on thewild pickup fours, and they was always
going in my direction. Add thisto the list of like, hey,
you know what's it like being adad? I have? Now my kid
is next to my mom, andmy kid's the buffer and she's taken all

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those pickup fours right now because Ican finally get away from my mom.
It's awesome. I love the factthat you do that. Yet I never
really threw too much over the years. I would play, I wouldn't you
know, I wouldn't over try towin, but I would rarely throw the
game, so if my kid won, it was usually pretty legit. Now

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I would do the same thing dealoff the bottom ofccasual. If things were
getting a little wilder I could seethe kids start to lose interest or starting
to cry, I would I would, Okay, I've about a backup.
But I've never really thrown a wholelot over the years. I've thrown a
few go fish games. You know, I know she's got we have go
fish with fish, so you know, like, I know she's got a

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sting ray and I'm sitting on itand I'm like, okay, you know,
but you know it's funny my kidask you do you have a snapper
in that little kid in his invoice. I giggle every time. Still,
it's funny to me. But weplayed, Yeah, we played Go Fish
with fish cards and it's awesome.It's kind of an easy that's an easy

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one to kind of throw. Andthere's sometimes you know when you you go
fish and sometimes you're just on aroll and you know what they have and
you're just you just you can seethem just getting deflated. You gotta hit
the brakes. Yeah, and I'llyou know, I can win that game
like twelve matches to her like fivematches, so I can kind of I

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can kind of keep that game goingfor a little bit. But Uno is
the one thing that is absolutely legit. Everyone's playing as a killer on that
game. And we played Princess zunoumso it's got all the Disney princesses on
it. So it's the exact samething as Zuno. But that one everyone's
out for blood Yep, yep,you know what it gets. I mean,

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we've played for hours at a timewith my mom. We played for
hours at a time. Yeah,it's great. And then you know when
London gets a little bit older,she's like eight or nine, you won't
be thrown because she's gonna be outfor blood. She's gonna kick your ass,
and you won't you start losing,you'd be like, oh am I
losing, Like that's what's gonna havebecause that's what happened to me. Because
at first, you know, fouror five, six, I wouldn't really

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you know, I would just playit, lose a lot of them and
throw it a little bit. Butonce it got to be like eight or
nine and my kid got super competitive, I'm like, bitch, it's on
now. I don't care how oldyou are. I don't. I still
don't. But now it's changed.The tide has really changed because now he's
almost fifteen, and I wish hewould throw a few my way now at

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this point because he booked my assa boat everything. When was the last
I mean, so what we're talkingabout it, I mean, they're all,
when was the last time that youguys played a board get a board
game together? And what was it? Was it a long time ago?
Do you do you still do that? Do you ever do that? We
have? Yeah, we do.If it's a holiday sun we don't have
time during the week, and youknow, but like holidays, families over,

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we'll bust out a Monopoly game,which Monopoly in this house is I
sort of Goather's blood involved. Andit gets brutal, It gets brutal,
kids learn new words, it getsbrutal. But yeah, we will play
their ship and uh. And atthis point now with my son, he's
he's on it. He gets it. He's out to kill on anything we
play. Uno forget it. Man, He'll cheat, He'll do everything to

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win. Yeah, it seems likecards are kind of cool with us right
now. We haven't really gotten intoa whole lot of board games. But
growing up you had a ton ofthem, right, Like did you have
a closet and they were just kindof stacked out? Yep. I had
my mom's and I still have itbecause you know what a pack rat I
am. I have my mom's Monopolygame from when she was young. And

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the houses are wood the greenhouses andthe red hotels they're actually wooden. That's
how old it is. I feellike we played Monopoly, I don't know,
maybe five years ago or so,like at a Christmas like you said,
but growing up, and I don'tknow if it was the same down
here as far as board games,just because of the winter and the weather,

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you had to just look for things. There was two factors. You
were indoors a lot because it wasso cold, and number two, board
games were really cheap, so wehad I felt like we had. It
was cool that we had a lotof something. But everyone had a lot
of board games. And it wasn'tlike a huge ask for your parents to

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ask for a board game. Youalways got. Everybody got them for presents.
But I mean I think they were, you know, five I don't
think they were five eight dollars whenwe were kids, like any you know,
an average board game. Yeah.Yeah, it was great because we
would put on you know, mymom would put on music, you have
this albums, playing playing cards andeating popcorn, and it just became a

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great family event, you know.But you're still trying to win the damn
game. At the end of theday. I want to win that ship.
I don't care how much money yougot, Grandma, I'm taking it.
If you are eating chips and youget some of that grease on one
of the cards, you're fired.Everyone knows that that. Oh, everyone
knows what I got. Because thisis Rod's chip card right here. He

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could see his greasy thumb print onit. Yeah, there's if you got
grease on the cards. You don'thear you hear you hear about nothing else
the rest of the night. No, no, no. Playing games with
the kids is the best, man, because it just you get time to
hang you talk, you tell stories, you goof around, you laugh your
ass off, and there's competition involvedin you're in. Your teaching is skill,
you know, it's it's you know, the card, the game itself,

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it's a skill, you know.So we did a lot of that.
We were outside Buffalo. You canit's a complete opposite obviously, you
know, talking about being indoors inthe wintertime. You forget how number one,
how nice it is outside up therein Buffalo, and they get about
two months where it's pretty awesome.One of the day's dude was Sonny and

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eighty. Okay, right as it'sone hundred degrees out probably right now as
we're recording at night. Yeah,yeah, Sonny and eighty. And you
know, in my hometown in northTonawanda, Canal Fest is going on,
so there's something to do every night. There's stages, there's bands, local
bands, but just really really fun. My kid is super into seeing live

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music at this early stage of herlife. She loves but we can't sit
there. We have to be infront of the stage. She has to
dance, and I have to dancewith her. And it's like, okay,
you know, and Sue tag in. You know, I'm putting Sue
in there. Um. But sheit's it's so fun, you know.
I mean, now you've been takingHenry and back of the day, you

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took Julia to jazz Fest and allthat stuff, and there's so much music
in New Orleans that they've been exposedto. Um. But it's not something
that I have to drag my kidtoo. She wants to go, I
have to drag her out of there. It's like, listen, I mean,
it's nine thirty. We're still out, you know. I'm like,
don't tell mom, and we're staying. We're staying outside until nine thirty,

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ten o'clock yet music playing, andI'm dragging her out of there. Yeah,
it's summertime though, That's what it'sabout. And that's cool that she's
exposed to that and going out likethat, you know, because man,
a lot of people don't do thatand but genuinely likes it. Though.
You know, there's one thing,you know, you push this stuff on
your kids, and you kind ofhope they like some of the stuff that
you like. And you know,we wouldn't have done as much of it

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if she if she just wasn't interestedin it. And she's so interested in
it, and I want to keepI kind of want to keep chucking on
that fire, you know, likeI want her to stay passionate about it.
I mean, it's a great passionto have man just go out and
see live music, and you know, hopefully that's something that we can do
forever. You know, I didn'tgo see a lot of live music with
my dad or my mom. Youknow, we did, but it wasn't

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something that you know, it wassomething that we did as a family,
right right. Well, the greatthing about it is, you know,
you go and she understands the game. She knows, Okay, here's where
the bathrooms are, here's where thedrinks are, here's the band is okay?
Cool, she goes away to college, she'll have no problem going out
and seeing music. It gives yousomething to do and you can go by
yourself and gives a shit, youknow, it doesn't matter. It's not

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like you or me we're afraid togo out anywhere by ourselves because we're weird.
Still, you know, still,after this, all this time,
I couldn't go to a restaurant ora concert by myself. I'd fucking wouldn't
do with my hands. I'm like, I don't know what in my hands.
I'm in a concert. I don'tknow what to do. I feel
weird. I won't do it.We have this discussion all the time on
the air here, like doing stuffby yourself. And you know, Dinah

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was just somebody that she could goout, my old co host, she
could go out by herself and goto concerts by herself, go on vacation
by herself. And this one too, Tessa, she just went on vacation
by herself. She went to Seattle, Vancouver by herself. I wouldn't know
what to do. I wouldn't knowwhat to do. I mean, the

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people that do it, they talkabout how awesome it is, are they
lying? I do believe that thereare people that enjoy it. You can
do whatever you want whenever you want. You're not reliant on anybody, you
know, and if you're by yourself, you chance to. You don't have
kids, so you don't have there'sYou're just responsible for you and your entertainment.
But are you really liking it?I know there are people that do,

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but you can't tell me most peoplelike that that do it, I
wouldn't know the other side of thecoin. All I know is when I
travel with my family, it's likewe go out, we do our adventures,
we laugh our asses off, wetalk about them, and then you
go to dinner that now and youjust rehash the day and you tell your
stories and you're in it's just thebest. I don't know. I would
miss that part of it if Itraveled by myself, But that's what I'm
used to. If you're single andyou're going out on these solo trips,

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I guess there's something cool about thattoo. They just that's the first thing
they jump on is well, Ican go where I want when I want,
you know, because there's different waysto vacation. There's chill, relax
guy, which I'm not. Iwant to get up. We got up
every day and I mean it's ait's a week off, there's no work.

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We're up every day. Boom.Going to Niagara falls, We're going
on a hike, We're going downto Devil's Hole. We're doing you know,
like I don't, I don't know. I'm not the recharge my battery.
That recharges my battery. Right thatto me, staying active, being
out running and gunning the whole time. I can see where somebody would not

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want to go on vacation with mebecause I'm let's get up and go,
man, let's do this. Ido not want to lay an, I
don't want to launch. No.No, if if I'm traveling to but
you have you had a different kindof vacation, like you went to the
beach, And that's the whole purposeof it, right Yeah, I mean
I still get up and do shit. I walk, I go see things.
We do, you know, we'llgo paddleboard into different locations and we'll

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do all this shit. And andit is the reason we do it is
because it's uh, it's it's like, okay, ninety nine percent of the
time, our whole family is runningin a hundred different directions at one hundred
miles an hour all the time.And I like that to just kind of
But if I'm gonna travel, liketravel somewhere, then it's it's it's we
got shit. We had itineraries.Every day, we're up early, we're
doing our thing, and we're going. But for something like that, it's

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cool to chill. But it's andit's funny because I'm sitting there after day
two, I'm kind of like,Okay, I've counted all the waves I
can possibly count at this point.I don't drink, I'm not partying.
And you guys are in Pensacola,right, Yeah, Pensacola, Florida,
on the beach, fucking beautiful waves. And my son started surfing when he
was like seven, okay, tooktook a couple of surfing classes, got

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a shitty board. Started. Wellhe's been surfing for seven years now,
and well he doesn't surf you know, California style waves, but he can
surf his ass off and that's allhe wants to do. So if there's
waves, he's out there for seveneight hours at a time surfing and he's
like the only kid out the onlyperson out there for for many hours,
and then people show up and leave. He just keeps going. He's insane.

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You have to be there right whenhe's out there doing that. But
yeah, I'm there, but yougot to have a visual on him.
He can't be out there by himselfyet, Kenny or Kenny, Well,
I had this conversation. Actually,Okay, he's out pretty far. I
can't help him that far out,I know. But what I'm saying is

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you have to be present on thebeach while he's doing this. So if
he's doing that for seven hours,I'm not saying you're not going in and
out. You're doing some stuff,but you have to be there still.
Yeah, I'm there, right,Yeah, we're there. One of us
is always there with him. Imean, yeah, again, at the
end of the day, good luck, son. You know, you're out
there far. By the time ifyou hurt your head by the time I
dumbask gets out there, it's alreadygonna be too late. But hey,
those are the risk you take.And he's a hell of a swimmer all

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that shit. So after two days, I'm sitting there and he's surfing.
He's having a blast, right,And I'm like, I'm like, sit
there and I literally think about itfor about two minutes, and I'm like,
I should go learn to surf.I should go learn to surf.
So I got paddle boards, right, And that's not a surfboard. But
you can surf on a paddle boardif you got any sort of balance,

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right, So I can paddle boardall day long. So I grabbed the
board. I go out and Igo, hey, man, he goes,
what the hell you doing here?Old man? My kids breaking balls's
I get out there. He's like, what are you doing? And we've
been like, you know, thewhole thing has been Point Break. We've
been watching Point Break dropping, youknow, all the dialogue from that movie
with Keanu Reeves, the surfing moviewith the Dead with the President's Robin Banks.

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Awesome, great movie. So yeah, that's all we do is we
talk about that, Hey, getoff my wave, bro, you know,
and that's all that stuff. Sohe goes, okay, well here's
what you want to do. Youwant to do this, you want to
do that, you want to dothat? Okay, And he goes,
okay, I'll tell you when togo. I go, okay, cool.
First wave, I get up,I surfer it in. I wipe
out. Halfway through. Good,second wave, do it again. Halfway

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through, I wipe out. Icrash. But I'm totally getting why people
serve because there is just this awesomefeeling of it's just you're just riding a
wave and it's cool as shit.It's just fucking great. Right, third
wave, I'm up. He's upnext to him and he's like, dude,
He's like he looks at me,and we're like looking at each other
as we're surfing a wave. Nowit's a small wave. This is not

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some fucking movie shit. But we'reboth surfing the same wave, literally ten
feet apart. He's like, he'slike, you got it, you got
it, goes ride it all theway in. I go, all right.
So I'm surfing, trying to concentrate, trying out to wipe out,
and what's he do. He fuckingturns and snatches into me and he's like,
get off my wave, old man, I wipe out. I'm like,

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motherfuck. And that's how my surfing. But what's cooler than that?
You and your kid surf in thesame wave. I mean, that's fucking
that's awesome, lifelong memory type ofthing. Until he smashed me. Well,
he you know, get off mywave, man, you know the
whole thing. But it's just oneof those things where I sat there for
two minutes going I'm gonna go fuckingsurf and I did. Okay, lucky

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I did. I didn't, butafter I doing it about it, I
did about an hour and then thatwas good because everything started to hurt.
So I realized I wasn't in theshape. That's a you don't see chubby
surfers. There's a reason. Itis unbelievable amounts of work. Unbelievable amounts
of work to surf, swim outthere, get up the whole thing.

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Dude, you gotta be in crazyshape. I remember seeing our buddy Kyle
Turley back in the day, andhe was the biggest dude I had ever
seen on a surfboard. Now,Katie was offensive lineman of the Saints way
back when he was on our showwhen I was in New Orleans, and
I had never seen a big manlike that get up on a board,

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and that was really weird. Goingback. You don't see fat guys surfing,
right was I mean, what wasKyle sixty five sixty five two two
sixty, Yeah, he was big, so, you know, sixty maybe
two seventy, you know, whilehe was playing, and I never it
was I don't know. Somehow withthe NFL filmed something of him because you

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know San Diego guy, and I'dnever seen a big guy like that on
a surfboard. It looked it justlooked weird, you know, it just
looked bizarre. Yeah, but it'sit's really, it's just awesome. It
was a cool thing. And againI'm not saying I'm a surfer now,
but I did it for about anhour and I realized, Wow, I
can see why dudes like when theylive in California or Hawaii, the second

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they get a lunch break, they'regone board on the car. You know,
you totally get that. You know, Yeah, I think I started
too late in life, but I'mgonna I'm gonna pursue it a little bit
more because it is. It iscool as shit. I love being outside
in the water and it's a blast. But I couldn't get out of bed
for the next two days. Basically, is the issue one of those things
I kind of wish I would havewhen I was twenty five, but I
was too busy doing dumb shit withyou, drinking too much. Well,

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and there wasn't we gonna have afucking you know, I live near the
ocean. It didn't grow up whereyou could go surfing easily, you know.
I mean it's just look at us. I mean we kind of grew
up where there was an area whereyou could go skiing, and we didn't
do that. It took money,it was expensive, and it's just you're
you're so up your own ass ontrying to get your life together, and

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it's like, you know, whenyou have time to sit around and like,
I'm gonna go and do this,you know, it brings up an
interesting point. And you know what, we'll start the podcast in a minute.
Um, we actually got some coolshit to talk about today. If
we get to it, we mightnot get to it. We'll just say
it for next week. Had thisgreat discussion and I don't know how it
even came about, with a coupleof people going, you know, and

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it got to this kind of thisis where it kind of came from.
It's the surfing thing. And I'mlike, you know, back in the
day, used to see guys whowould turn like you know, fifty fifty
five, retire maybe, and theywould go out and buy the fancy cars
and do all this shit. Andthey used to call it a midlife crisis.
You know, they may still dothat. I don't know. I
don't hear it as much anymore.But the old the old dude had the

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midlife crisis scenario. Right, We'veprobably all seeing people do that, all
that shit, and we and wewere making fun of it and all this
shit. And then I was like, wait a minute, it's not a
midlife crisis if you think of itthis way. You spend you know,
by the time you graduated high school, Okay, what are you doing the
next twenty years. You're going tocollege, you're getting your job, you're

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going through your career, you're startinga family. You know, you're doing
all that shit. Well, theregoes twenty five years or your life.
So now you're what forty forty five, and then you could do a point
where okay, kids leaving, maybegoing to college at this point, and
you know, you're not spending allthat money taking care of the kid.
You're sure you got the college stuff, but it's different, you know,

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and your house is maybe knocked downon payments and you've got a few extra
bucks laying around. It's not amidlife crisis. It's it's like realizing,
hey, wait a minute, I'vegot a bunch of shit I didn't get
a chance to do when I wasyounger, so you know, all that
midlife crisis thing. I think it'skind of silly. It's actually going,
Oh, I can actually do somethingI wanted to do back then now because

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I'm not running the soccer practice andall that shit. So just an observation
when we were at the beach,Yeah, you know, I you know,
I'm gonna have these experiences coming upin London and she's five. I
mean, you know, we hada whole half a podcast we were talking
about me out there skateboarding and Icome in with the skin knee. You
know, I'm skateboarding with her.You know, I hadn't done that since

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I was a kid, you know, and out there on the scooter and
then bicycles and all of that.Like I'm here for all of that.
Like i want to do all ofthat with her now. I'll say when
we go to I mean there's I'mlooking around, like when you go to
one of these jump places, oneof these trampoline type places, there's plenty

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of moms and dads that just sitthere and watch their kids do it.
You know, while I can,even with my shitty leg and everything.
Still, um, I'm like,no, we're joping like we're doing this.
You know, Now, if Ihad two kids, would I let
them jump? Would I sit andwatch them? I don't know. I
still would want to be out therewith them. And there is something that's

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you surfing, that's you know,I have that option. There's enough kids
around. Boom, go ahead,you know, I'm jumping in the ballpit
with her and all that can't getout. Now. The thing that does
suck is it's just going to happen. Now. We went to Disney a
couple months ago, and those thosearen't like rides, those are adventures.

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Those are things you know, you'reon a boat and it's frozen and there's
old off and all of that.But now like back home, I told
you that Canalfest was going on andthere's like a midway and I'm I'm fine,
even though it's an old ass ricketyferris wheel. I'm okay. You
know you were always good for acouple of carousel rides. Still I'm that.

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I'm good. But dude, it'sjust with me and my kid.
I'm gonna have to be her ride. Guy. Dude, it's not my
thing, Like, that's not mything. It's not that I don't want
to do it. I can't.So I did one with her, and
you can know I did one withher. And you're in the car and

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there's three carts and you got thething that comes over your head and that
those that trio is spinning, andthen there's three or four trios, and
then the whole thing is spinning andyou're just kind of getting whipped and you're
just winking around. Great. Soit was the longest ride ever. It

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just it took forever. I wantto get off. Who's screaming louder?
You were the kid, you knowwhat I mean? She was laughing.
She was laughing her ass off.Thought it was so funny that I was
miserable. Everyone in line knew Iwas miserable. I was making a big
deal of it. I didn't wantto do this and all of that.
So Aunt Sue had to do thepirate chip that goes back and fourth and

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back and forth. Stomach is justgone. So she did that one I
did and I don't know which onewas worse. But you know, we
only had to each do one ofthose. But that's coming, that's coming
in my near future of doing thatstuff. Unless yeah, it is,
and The problem with it is isthat she knows you don't want to do
it, and that's only going toreinforce the fact that she's gonna want to
do it more. Okay, soyou might want to just put on a

(25:37):
smile. Ago, Yeah, comeon, let's do the ship. Let's
go maybe maybe knock that down abit. That's kind of where I'm at
too, is my son now isgone. Like we've always ridden rides and
I'm okay with most of them.I don't want to go crazy, but
I'll do okay on most of them. But I think we're getting to a
turning point where he's gonna want todo some crazy shit, you know what
I mean. Like there's gonna bezip lining, and there's gonna be all
that, and then he's gonna lookat me because I've done zip lining,

(26:00):
done all that shit. I don'tlike it. I'm here for I like
it. Well, you're afraid ofhides, I'm afraid of heights, and
I don't. I'm like, whywhy am I doing up here on this
rusted cable? Okay? Hang up? Back to the rides. Can you
do the one where you're standing andyour backs against the wall and you guys
are all in a circle together andyou're all looking at each other in the
ride, and then that thing startstheir spin and like you're just kind of

(26:23):
being pushed back of the wall andthen it starts like going up and down.
Can you do that? I can? Yeah, I mean I have.
I didn't. I was always afraidof it back in the day.
I don't know. I think I'vegotten a little more mellow as I've gotten
older. I'm I'm okay with alot of it now. I didn't use
it, but you're, um,what is it? You're equal, equal,
equal, equal liberty, equal jacksright, because we don't do a

(26:47):
bunch of violent movements. You know, kids think about it. They're always
moving around and stuff, and it'snot their system is not. They're not
as sedentary as we are. Rightthose rides, it's like, what is
up? You haven't done something likethis in years? This is I'm gonna
this is gonna fuck you up allday. You can do that? Yeah,
yeah, I can do it.But I do it because it's kind

(27:08):
of a twofold thing is that mywife loves all that shit. So and
we have a fairly competitive family,Like we're all like and if one of
us backs out on something, we'reall gonna give them shit, like we're
assholes to each other in that way, like we're dicks. So I learned
a long time ago that I wasI'm definitely afraid of heights back in the

(27:30):
day, like I wouldn't go onI don't like heights at all. But
as I went further in my relationshipwith my wife, I realized that she's
not afraid of any of that shipand I'm like, okay. So I
didn't really let it out that Iwas afraid of heights, right, So
I kind of told her one time. And then we went to my brother

(27:52):
in law's wedding in Guatemala and there'sthis active volcano that you can climb,
right, it's all it's big,like like there's the clouds and then there's
the top of the volcano. Well, everyone was talking about like because we
went down there for like a Idon't know, like five or six days.
So everyone in the wedding party wastalking about, Oh, we climbed
the volcano yesterday. You gotta doit. I'm like, yeah, you

(28:12):
know, And I kept trying toavoid it. So I'm like, hey,
let's go and look at this museum. Let's go down to here,
let's go look at this. AndI was do you know, we were
I was trying to everything I coulddo to not do the volcano part of
the trip. I love all thatstuff. Well I get there and dude,
I saw to god, I hadnever ever been so scared in my
life climbing that volcano. Like it'sjust there's nothing but down, there's nothing

(28:36):
but down in death. Right,I'm there for that. I just I'm
there for that. It's just thewild movie, right, But I'll do
that all day. But I didit. I fought through it. I
ground it out. It was hoursof just pure terror. I was just
terrified for hours. And at theend of it, I was better.

(28:57):
I kind of broke mold. Ibroke through a little bit, so I
got better at Heights and I wentto London and did the London Eye,
you know, the big giant ferriswheel. Yeah, And the first time
I did it, we went overthere years ago, probably fifteen years ago,
did it scared to death and theygot in there like big fish bowls.

(29:18):
Each pot is a giant fish bowland there's like a bench in the
middle. I sat on the benchand looked at my hands in my lap.
I was so fucking scared. Thelast time we went, we were
there a year ago. Dude,I was leaning against the glass looking out
and pointing it shit, walking aroundfreely, like I forced myself over a
couple of years to do shit thatI didn't want to do, and I

(29:38):
still don't love it. Like there'stimes what I will punt and be like,
nah, I'm not going that high. I'm not going that. I'm
not doing that. The ones thatare all in cased, those are so
much easier than like the old school, like open air ferris wheels, So
I feel like I feel like there'sso much safer. I mean, they're
probably not, I don't know,but you know you're in. You're in

(29:59):
like a gondola. Every one ofthem is a gondalather all, you know.
I mean, the London Eye isit's probably the nicest ferrist wheel in
the world. Oh it's beautiful,but so and I can never figure out
what it is that made me afraidof heights. Obviously, sure, death
on the landing part of obviously aspart of it, But I don't know
if it's the same for anybody else. But when I get on a ride,
like like a big Ferris Wheel,old school style, right, I

(30:22):
immediately go fuck, I don't wantto be up there at the top.
I do love the view. Ilove a good view, so I like
that part. But it's that Istart freaking myself out going Huh, what
if the guys have really inspected this, like really inspected this ride? You
know what? Those bolts look alittle loose. Were they hung over that
day? Because I know when I'vedone shit in my life, I've been

(30:42):
drunk, I've been hungover, I'vemissed a bolt. I put together a
desk, what do I do?I got extra parts? Like, I
start really overthinking all these little things, right, I think it starts to
eat at me. But okay,there. I never knew if our old
boss Vince was just busting balls,if it was for lack of something to
say, or if he was worriedabout it. He could not get into

(31:07):
a fucking elevator without mentioning getting stuck. He couldn't help himself. When we
first started in New Orleans, wehad to go to the forty second floor,
and a lot of times we wouldall get there at the same time
or we'd leave at the same timewhere we go to lunch, and I
don't think a fucking day went by. I never once got into an elevator
and I said, boy, Ihope we don't get stuck today. I
just I don't think like that.But when I'm on a ride, I

(31:30):
think like that. Oh yeah,but there's people that I know you had
your elevator story, but there arepeople that every single day they get into
an elevator and they think there's agood chance that the sucker is going to
break down today, just like youthink about rides, and that would be
horrible if you had to do anelevator every day. Yeah, I do,
but I don't know. And withVince, I don't know if he

(31:51):
just was just saying shit. ButI don't remember being an elevator with that
guy without him saying something, wouldn'tit suck to get stuck in here today?
I wonder if he got stuck onetime and it was a little traumatic
because because my son, who youknow, a year ago, got stuck
out an elevator and it just gota little nobody. It was fine,
but he got freaked out. Right, Well, we're at the beach and
we're on like the fifth or sixthfloor or whatever it was. So we're

(32:13):
on an elevator all the time,going up and down. He's gone that
mentions it all the time. Nowhe's he like he like gets on and
we get into one time to godown and in the elevator like before the
doors closed. It made a littlemovement, right because you know, shit
happens. He fucking looks at meand he goes, I'm taking the stairs
and he bolt saw to the elevator. He runs down the stairs like,
So he is traumatized by being stuckin an elevator one time. So I

(32:35):
think that's gonna be him. I'dstick with him his whole life. Yeah,
and nothing happened. He just gotstuck for fifteen minutes, you know.
But he's freaked the fuck out fromelevators now. So anyway, Well,
you said that we did prepare acouple of things that we were going
to do today. We're gonna talka little Metallica. I went back and

(32:57):
looked, dude, I couldn't seethat we've ever done a Metallica Top five
James Hetfield. When this podcast comesout, Headfield turns sixty. Oh no,
we have certainly, we have certainlytalked Metallica, but dude, I
don't think sixties old not anymore.Well no, no, because yeah,
because we're so close to him.But Metallica, like they're a band from

(33:21):
the eighties. Dude, you wouldthink that he'd be in his seventies.
They're a band from the eighties.Yeah, So it just goes to show
you how young they were and theyweren't that much older than us when they
were doing it. Totally. Whatdo you think about? Yeah, so
Headfield turns sixty. I thought ifyou asked me yesterday before I did this,
I would have told you Headfield issixty four, just because they've just

(33:45):
been around and they've always been olderthan us, um wherever ever, Pretty
just started so damn young. Sowe're talking a little bit about that.
And then August first, so we'rerecording on the second. August first was
the anniversary. And I know we'vetalked videos and we've talked to MTV before,
but man, I still think it'skind of fun. And I saw
some things talking about MTV the otherday. Number one, it was only

(34:09):
available in New Jersey. So whenyou're thinking that the world had this joint
experience of turning on MTV and itchanging the world. Man, it was
a slow go. You know.I think a lot of younger people,
if they think about the history ofMTV, they all think that we all
tuned in on one day and boom, It's like we watched it on the

(34:30):
same day at the same time.We didn't have it, nor did we
really even know about it. No, it was in and we're in Buffalo.
They're putting this thing together in NewYork City. You couldn't even see
MTV in New York City. Itwas just a New Jersey So everyone knows.
They go on August first. Everybodyknows the Buggles video killed the Radio

(34:54):
Star. Do you know the numbertwo songs? I think it was a
Pat Benatar song You Better Run?Yeah, I think you Better Run by
Pat Benatar. I saw it.He didn't see it. I know,
I know. I'm just kidding.Everyone claims they did him. It's weird
how that goes. But everybody knowsthat the Buggles did it. And then

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the question that now is like,well, okay, because it's so easy,
what's the second video played? Thethird video is Rod Stewart and apparently
there was a back a black bassplayer, so he gets the distinction of
being the first black guy, thefirst black musician on MTV, the first
metal What was the first metal onMTV? So this was eighty three eighty

(35:44):
one eighty one? Oh shit,they played a metal video. I would
I would have to guess, judaspriest close they played Iron Maiden by Iron
Maiden. Oh, okay, thatmakes sense. Then, yeah, that
was It was the sixteenth video played. So in the first day of MTV

(36:09):
they played one hundred and sixteen differentvideos. There was two hundred and nine
videos played total, so everything wasalmost played, you know, close to
twice. I guess Rod Stewart getsplayed the third video. Rod Stewart gets

(36:30):
the fifteenth spin or video played,the twenty sixth they loved some Rod Stewart
back in the day, and thethirty seventh, like Rod Stewart was played
the most. Was it the samesong when I'm for He had the first
repeat and he had the most inthe in the first day and then in

(36:52):
the first in the launch of it. Here's a couple of highlights. So
Rod Stewart gets the third spin.She won't Dance with Me? Yeah,
the who you better you bet numberfour, right, uh, Ario Speedwagon
Take It on the Run ninth videoplayed, really the first concert video to

(37:15):
be aired on MTV, and thenSticks Rocking the Paradise rounds out your top
ten. Some weird stuff Man thirtyeight special Hold on Loosely thirteenth video played
April Wine just between you and me? Right stretched, dude, that's a
stretch. It's a deep cut,but the rotation was weird. Ario Speedwagon
Take It on the Run is theninth video played, and then the guy

(37:37):
who's swapping out VHS tapes. Itwas exactly what they were doing back then,
Ario Speedwagon. It was played ninthand then it was played seventeenth.
Like they did not have a fuckingrotation. Dude, They didn't have any
kind of a They were just stackedup. They were vanguards, you know
what I mean, they really were. You have to keep in mind too,

(37:58):
that, you know eighty one,nobody was making videos. A lot
of the videos that got played werejust like um like promotional videos that went
out to record labels and stuff.Yeah, that's all they were. They
weren't meant to be really seen byany in the public. So the reason
A lot of those artists got playedso much, and a lot of them
shitty songs. Was that that's allthey had, you know, that's what

(38:19):
they had available. Queen's Bohemian Rhapsodywas one of the big ones, and
I think that was more or lessjust a promotional video. It wasn't like
made for that. I believe itmay not have been that song, But
there are other songs like that thatwere just they had them, and they're
like, fuck, we need videos. What do you got? And they're
calling everybody some as your videos.Yeah, so there's a lot of Who.

(38:43):
There's a lot of Rod Stewart,there's a lot of Rio, Speedwagon,
Fleetwood, Mac Tom Patty. It'spretty cool, man, it's eighty
one. It's it's pretty awesome tosee, you know, what they had
done and how they put this wholething together. But MTV, those original
VJs, except for JJ Jackson,they're all still alive, and I think

(39:08):
they all still work at Sirius XMRadio in some fashion. I think they're
all on different eighties channels and Classicrewind and you know, there's all the
different but they're they're all doing thingsthat are age appropriate to them. But
I think they all work there insome fashion, probably because they've got that

(39:28):
they've got that name. You know, they got the name. They were
the first ones I was thinking about, like some of the iconic videos that
you saw a million times that werejust like it became part of your DNA
if you grew up in that MTVgeneration like we did, Like Robert Palmer's
Addicted to Love, the girls withthe red lipstick dance behind them. I
mean that you can't get out ofyour head, the Aha video, Take
on Me, the comic book Blackand White. Those there are some of

(39:52):
the best videos of all time.Whether it doesn't it didn't matter that he
didn't even liking the song was secondary, you know. I mean it was
like what the video looked like evenif you didn't, you know, I
was a rocker, but man likeHungry, like the Wolf. It just
was fucking cool. Man Like they'rerunning around the jungle and ship. It
was awesome, like, wow,these guys are cool. Yeah, and

(40:14):
it got to be the where likeyou know, Unfortunately, most of the
metal videos, a lot of themwere just those guys dancing around, jumping
on like jag offs, and itwas like but when they told stories and
they got into it and they putsome production behind it was like, oh,
these are cool. A lot oftimes the video would make me like
songs more. You know, well, okay, so this is gonna lead

(40:35):
us into what we're going to goingto talk about it. And you don't
have to tell but Metallica's won.You know, it's always talked about as
being one of the biggest Metallica songsbecause they were already a pretty big band.
Not the hugest band like they arenow, but they were a big
band and they absolutely refused to makevideos. So when they made the video

(40:55):
for one MTV Guess at eighty nine, I remember that debuting and holy shit,
Metallica made a video like fuck,Metallica doesn't say yes to anything,
Buttallica does whatever they want. AndI remember watching the premiere and you know,
them talking about, oh my god, Metallic It's like they made it

(41:17):
for MTV. You know, theymade it, and there was an eighty
nine. There's a ton of fuckingWhite Snake and there's a ton of shit
on there, and there's a lotof pop and everything, and Metallica's video
aired and it's not in my topfive, but it's just it's it's a
different level of song though, becauseyou had a video to go along with

(41:38):
these guys. Oh yeah, wellyea, and that gained them a whole
new level of audience. And youhave to think of it this way too.
And I was thinking about this earlier. It was like, you know,
you look at would you know,Van Halen was already you know,
established they were there. But man, when MTV was made for David Lee

(41:58):
Roth, you know, those wereexplosions. You know, those videos with
his ham ass on TV constantly.You know, you look at someone like
Madonna when Madonna has been half asbig without MTV. Oh yeah, the
visuals vers all of that. Imean, Duran, Duran, all of
it. I know, they gotinto the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame,
but you know, you had tolook a certain way. And I

(42:22):
think one of the casualties that italways gets brought up is Christopher Cross just
didn't have the look. And thenwhen you saw what Christopher Cross looked like.
This guy was on the radio allthe time, like in the seventies
and the eighties, and then youlooked at him, You're like, what,
you know, he just didn't youknow, because your appearance became as
important as the song you were playing. Absolutely absolutely. It hurt a lot

(42:45):
of the genres of music, andit drove a lot of the stuff away
and the hair metal bands obviously itdid what it did for that, but
yeah, the image became just asimportant and and it was cool. Also
going back Totallica, the video didn'tlook like anything on MTV. Right,
They didn't fucking chicks and chicks,okay, chicks in your videos, right.

(43:10):
Metallica didn't do any of that.They used that old movie footage of
Johnny Get Your Gun or whatever andblack and white. Yes, and uh,
I mean it was just a scary, ominous, dark looking video.
And you know MTV or I'm sorry, Metallica just did it on their own
terms. Yeah, you know,you just think, oh, it's no

(43:30):
big deal when you see that Metallicaone video. No, it's a huge
deal. Nothing fucking looked like that. Nothing. So if they were going
to you know fall meaning, Okay, we can't hide from this anymore,
we gotta make a video, theyjust didn't do it like anyone else.
Now, they went on to bea great video band and they made a

(43:51):
ton of videos. I mean,they was setting them up for the Black
album, which they probably made sixvideos off of that album, right right.
You know, it's funny if yougo back and, like, I
don't know, you get down theserabbit holes on YouTube and you start going
back and I've gone back and lookedat a lot of the old metal videos
and it's uncomfortable to watch some ofthem now, Like I'm uncomfortable watching some
of those with all the chicks dancingaround, and so I'm like, I'm

(44:14):
like, oh my god, thisis terrible. This is awful. Turn
it off, Like it gets tothe point where it's like, oh god,
well what are you doing. It'skind of great. I mean,
it's great, but it's also like, oh my god, that's just shit.
That's just terrible. It's a shortcutthe thinking. Here's the thing.
When rock and everybody got away fromit, rappers are said, we'll do

(44:36):
that. They took it to awhole other level. So Nirvana's gonna wipe
out all of the party rock,blam metal hair bands. So it's Aalica
is gonna wipe all that. Ifyou guys don't want to have fun,
we'll have the fun. Rappers werelike, bring the girls, yep,
get the pool, get the bikinis, grab and boom, we'll make those

(44:58):
videos now. Yeah, and they'restill having all the fun. They're still
having the fun. Man, theystill are. Yeah. And you know
what's interesting too, is like,you know, you talk about Metallica not
making videos then finally making videos,Pearl Jam made a couple of videos and
they said, now we're done makingvideos, Like they went another way when

(45:20):
they could have made videos for ninetydifferent songs. What would that have done?
Not that Pearl Jam's not huge,but what would that have done?
You know what I mean? Likethey came off some great videos like the
Jeremy video. You go watch that, fucking still powerful, still powerful,
you know, but they just kindof were like, nah, we're done
with that shit. We don't wantto do that. It's weird, you

(45:43):
know, yeah, but you knowyou still you think about right at the
end there, you know Nirvana,I mean the smells like teen Spirit.
Not only was that song huge andground bait breaking, but the video that
went with it, like it justit's the exact definition of a perfect storm.

(46:04):
The video was unbelievable. It justlooked amazing. It looked so different.
We'd never we'd never heard anything likethis, and somehow they were able
to because you could have really gottenone of those wrong. I mean the
music, you know, with theirvan and the music was the most important
thing, but at that time youstill needed a kick ass thing to accompany
it, and you had to presentit in the right way. And fuck,

(46:25):
they got that right, they gotta, because they could have brought out
the titties and the girls shaken withthat song and it would have just fucking
been terrible, right, But theyalso just could have done just okay,
lo fi, fuck this. Youknow, we hate everything. We're anti
rock star and thank god they werestill, they were young, they were
forced to do it. But theywhoever made that video, damn, they

(46:46):
just did such a great job onit. It's just it's so great.
It is it is, and itfit you know, it was. It
was helping to change that whole tide, you know what I mean. Well,
coming up, we'll do our topfive favorite Metallica songs and then one
of our favorite directors writers of alltime, Kevin Smith, also celebrated birthday.
What is he like fifty five?Kevin Smith? Is? He's at

(47:10):
two? Shit, he's younger thanme, dude, what the fuck are
everyone is younger than me. JesusChrist. Guys. Next time you're in
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(47:32):
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(47:52):
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(48:13):
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People always ask me, oh,you know, we're gonna take your two.
It's gonna be hot. I go, yeah, it's gonna be hot.
You have like a pirate, likea summer pirate get up and then

(48:36):
a winter pirate get up. Totally. Yeah. You dress, you dress,
how you address normally, it's notlike this is. You know,
people always well, where's your jacket? I go, it's a hundred degrees
out. Why would I wear afucking jacket? Dude? So I dress
up as a pirate once a yearwhen when I come in from Marty grow
because we have a pirate ship andwe do all of this and we have
the Pirates of the Quarter. Thenit's like, you know, I'm in,

(48:57):
I'm in, But Marti gras bewhat ninety could be warm, it
could be fifty. So I toohave all season pirate wear. You have
to to go. I got abig ass wool coat. I know you
do too. I mean I gota big ass wool That sucker is ready
to go. You know, ifit's gonna be I mean, I'm still

(49:17):
gonna ride. But you know,if it's sixty out, guess what the
pirate wool coat and it's starting toreally look authentic because it's old. Now,
Yeah, you got it's it's it'sit's the key. It's just let
it age, let it, letit get a little dirty, let it
get a little beat up. Andthat gives you some authenticity. Man.
Um, Kevin Smith is fifty three. He's fifty three years of age.
Rod, So um, there yougo. Did did he peak early?

(49:45):
And okay, there's only one QuentinTarantino? But wasn't Kevin Smith gonna be
like a Quentin Tarantino kind of guy? Or didn't you think he was?
I mean maxed out the credit cards, had the indie film and then kind
of had a thing going on andhe was a dialogue guy and everything,
and then he just didn't really evolvemaybe enough. I don't get me wrong.

(50:10):
I like his movies Jay and SilentBob, Strike Back and all of
that. Um, you know,he tried to go out and do Jersey
Girl got panned. Um, Idon't know. Did um it's it's it's
a respectable career. Uh he does. He does what he does very well.
But did you think he was goingto do more? Is that a

(50:35):
fair question? I think so?I think, you know, I obviously
you know what. You can askthat of anybody, really, But when
when the hit that, when Clerkscame out, and then the Mall Rats
and Chasing Amy, it was like, Okay, he's kind of this indie
cool guy making these really dialogue hehanging out with your pals sort of movies
that really fit gen X really wellbecause that's what we're all doing. He

(50:58):
nailed it. Tarantino had all thecool dialogue, the cool rap in his
movies, but he was able togo throw in some kick ass violence and
tell a great story. I thinkthat's where the difference was. Kevin Smith,
there's no story to most of hismovies, you know what I mean,
there's not a there's not a it'sa story, but it's it's very
loose. I think he writes allthis great dialogue and he goes, I

(51:20):
gotta tie this together somehow? Howto do I do it? Where Tarantino
can write a great story that yougive a shit about or you're interested in
Kevin Smith and we're hanging on afucking convenience store. I don't know how
it ends. I don't even knowwhat happened. I gotta be honest with
you, you know. I mean, George Lucas is known for just doing
one thing, you know, forthe most part, but the one thing

(51:43):
he did was just massively, unbelievablyhuge. And I know they worship all
these guys, you know, mKevin Smith just kind of got stuck in
doing that one thing. It's forme, It's for me. I like
it. I'm here for it.Um. But he you know, the
Jay and Silent Bob strike back andthen Clerks ten and you know, I

(52:04):
didn't see the last I didn't seeClerks three. Dude, I did,
I saw it. I just feltlike, I don't want to ruin my
already dwindling opinion on what's going onwith that camp the he you know what,
I think, you know what,life is very interesting. There's opportunity,
he seize it, and there's luckinvolved. Right. He actually wrote

(52:28):
like Superman. He got brought into write the script for a Superman movie.
Right. Nick Cage was supposed toplay in all this shit yea,
and it just didn't work out.It got scrapped. It was a good
script apparently, but you know that'show that works. So he had a
trajectory and he had directed that moviewith Bruce Willis that was actually pretty decent,
you know, I for it wassome fucking buddy cop thing. It

(52:50):
was funny, it was decent,it was good movie. So he was
kind of moving in this direction whereyou're like, Oh, this motherfucker's gonna
be r He's gonna be doing it. But shit didn't line up for whatever
reason. And there's a lot offailures out there that in Hollywood. You
can write twenty scripts and if youget one of them across the finish line,
man, you've done something. SoI think he was in that trajectory,

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but shit just didn't quite line upfor him. And again that's where
the luck comes into, you know. I mean, how many times have
that happened to great, great songsthat you get as a music director Back
in the day, You'd be like, fuck, this song is huge,
it's gonna be massive, and itgoes to like twenty five on the charge.
You're like, what happened? It'sjust timing. It's there's a lot
of luck involved. So I justfeel like he could probably still write his

(53:37):
ass off. But I don't know, you know, is he happy just
making these movies now and doing allthe shit he does. I would assume
he is. And speaking of podcasts, man, he should go down as
being like the godfather of it.He was doing something called a smodcast years.
I mean, and you know,I'm he still does it and it's

(54:00):
him, and you know, he'sjust kind of he's like Adam Sandler,
like he's he got this gang ofbuddies and then he just kind of kept
traveling with them as his life wenton, like we are. But yeah,
the podcast thing and stuff, hewas like the first guy I'd ever
heard of doing a podcast right before, right, he really was the first
guy. And I don't know howmuch credit he gets for that. I

(54:22):
don't live in that space. AllI hear is you know Joe Rogan,
Joe Rogan, right, And youknow there were other guys that had their
moments. You know who was earlyin on podcasting. And it'll go back
to the MTV discussion we had.Do you remember Adam Curry. Yeah,
he kind of had that lion's maneof hair, yeah, the handsome Men.

(54:45):
Yeah. But then he ended updoing the Metal Shop, the Metal
Show, Headbanger's Ball, which youknow, he kind of felt like,
Okay, they had the wrong guy, but you know he did it.
He was okay. He was likesome super early podcast guy. Yeah.
I think he's like super I thinkhe's super rich. He might be like
on the back end of like howpodcasts get out there, Adam Curry.

(55:06):
I'm gonna have to go look thatup because I don't want to say anything
more about him, but I thinkhe I think he's kind of a big
deal in the in the ground floorof these things, having a place to
go on the Internet. You know, it's funny because we sit here and
we talk about, oh man,we thought Kevin Smith would have been bigger.
But it's it's perspective. I wouldkill for a career like he's had,
you know what I mean when youthink about it, you know,

(55:28):
hey, he kicked ass. Hemade movies, dude, you know what
I mean. Like, if youput it in perspective that way, you
compare him to Tarantino, Well,you compare anyone to Tarantino who's not like
Spielberg or the guy who directed Oppenheimer, or you know what I mean.
Like it's a pretty small world,you know, so yeah, but I
thought he would have had bigger shithappened too back in the day. Like

(55:50):
I thought he could have been maybeour Scorsese, because he was our age.
He was making movies for us,and I thought that he would again
he listen, very popular, superawesome. I love his movies. I
just thought that he was going tobecome, you know, too big for
us, and then he would startdoing all of this these other things.
Dude, check this out. Whoinvented podcasts? Most people agree the inventors

(56:14):
of the podcast were Adam Curry,a former MTV VJ, and Dave Winner,
a software developer. These two friendswanted to find a way to download
online radio broadcasts to an iPod.It was a game changing device that had
been released a few years early intwo thousand and one. Adam, I
couldn't believe I could. I justpulled that name out, Adam Curry.

(56:35):
Yeah, he's the guy. ButKevin smith Man, he was early in
on it. Yeah, he wasone of the earlier day what because the
dude could talk for hours. Man, he just he travels around and just
stands up on stage, sells ticketsand just talks about his movies for an
hour and a half and then signsautographs and leaves like that's part of his
thing, that's what he does tofor income. I was just looking,
I was looking at his movies.I'm like, Man, mal Rats is

(56:58):
a classic, chasing Amy's Great Dog. I really like Dog, you know.
I thought that was good. Andthen Red State is fucking great.
I thought Red State was gonna bethe one that's gonna launch him into doing
some big movies because Red State wasdifferent, you know. It wasn't a
great dialogue, a lot of cooltwists. But I don't know. If
I saw Red State, I don'tknow what happened. I don't know what

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happened. Something happened, I don'tknow. And maybe, and I'm sure
he's quite fine with it. Imean, who are we to judge?
You know what I mean, that'sthe thing. But yes, I thought,
I think I think the Scorsese thingis kind of a good example of
where I think he could have wentinto that zone because he's very good with
the music too. A lot ofhis movies he's like, oh, he

(57:40):
pulls out some crazy fucking tunes.You're like, well, that's a great
song I never heard of. Andthat's why we bring him up all the
time when we talk about Martin Scorsesebecause he you know, talking about who
invented the podcast over here, AdamCurry. But I think without Scorsese,
you don't have these guys like puttingthe music together with the movie the way

(58:01):
that he did. He did itin a way that Quentin Tarantino just continued
on, you know, and andKevin Smith in a way was just perfect
where he placed his music. Youknow, he knew what he was doing.
What's really funny is like Tarantino,John Hughes. You know, you
have mentioned John Hughes if you're talkingabout like who puts I mean, there's

(58:22):
a lot of them out there,but but John Hughes again, if for
me, you know, Wes Andersonyou got to talk about, but John
Hughes, Scorsese, and Quentin Tarantino, right put Who plays music in movies
better than those three? I don'tthink there is, not, really,

(58:42):
I don't think there is. Imean there's people that do it great,
but not as good as those three. And people have gotten better at it
too. You know, Tarantino hasopened me up to a lot of different
music, right, Like, youknow, we work in radio, so
I would consider not a bad judgeof music, right. I got a
fairly broad scope of music, andI always try to expand it. But

(59:04):
Tarantino got me all into the stacksrecords and all that fifties and sixties shit,
and I became a huge fan ofall that crazy, weird shit.
And not that I'll ever happened,but to sit down and talk music with
Tarantino, I don't think I coulddo it. He would blow you out
of the water with his knowledge ofmusic and shit. He was so intimidating.

(59:27):
I'd be like, I don't knowwhat the fun that is. No,
I don't know what that song is. Like it's just and I work
in the business for twenty five yearsor whatever it's been, and it's like
he would blow your doors off,you know. And that's what's so great
about it is it's like, youknow when Tarantino that he doesn't make that
many movies, but like when hedoes, like half of the excitement for
me is, yes, it's aTarantino film, but I can't wait to

(59:49):
hear what music he throws in there. I'm the same way, and I
believe him when he says he's gotone more movie. I believes I wanted
to make twenty more. But thatdoesn't mean he's done done. I mean,
if he says he's gonna make onemore movie, I mean, look
what's happening on streaming services and everythingright now. Can can um? I

(01:00:10):
don't know? Can? I anidea? Can kill Bill live on Netflix
like a like a Marvel like auniverse? Sure, you know, like
a kill Bill universe totally all thosecharacters and shit, can they live like
that? Backstory? Um? So, I I don't think he's not making

(01:00:34):
one movie and he's never gonna doanything again. And I hope he doesn't
hold us to that whole one moremovie. But no, not done done.
There's just he's not that at all. He's too young, you know.
I hope he's not done. ButI also hope he doesn't kind of
go back to anything else he's done, because I'd hate to see it watered
down like so much is so impactful. But a backstory on Reservoir Dogs would

(01:00:55):
be kind of cool. Backstory onBill that would be a whole fuck another
great movie like The Reservoir Dogs them, you know, ten years earlier,
and you just get all these youngguys playing them, and you use the
music and you get that style andthat look vibe. And he's the executive
producer and he hires some super hotshot guy and then boom, he oversees

(01:01:16):
and make sure that they whoever's doingit, the kid uses all the right
songs, Like I see Quentin Tarantinogoing off in the sunset doing a lot
of that, you know, onretreating platforms. Well, you look at
like Kill Bill a great example.Bill's fucking sixty something when he when you
introduced to him in the movie,and Kill Bill one right and you barely

(01:01:37):
see the guy. Well there's awhole backstory that could be written about just
that one dude. That would befucking amazing, right, So I mean
that's part of it too. SoI don't know, we're wig getting off
of the weeds here, man,But yeah, it I always look at
his movies, I'm like, Ican't wait to hear the music. I
can't wait. I have to watchTarantino movies like four times when they first

(01:01:59):
come out, because I'm gonna watchit just as an experience, and then
I want to hear the music thesecond time, and then I go and
I download the music and yeah,yeah, talking about Metallica, I remember
where I was. Um, hisname was Jeff Fritz. He had like
kind of a cool cutlass car andhe's playing something out of the cassette out

(01:02:23):
of his Alpine stereo, probably withhis h Jensen Jensen speakers, right,
they have the Jensen speakers. Youhad to have the booster. You had
to have the EQ booster back inthere. That's what everybody putting in their
cars. So you turn your radioon it and it'd be loud. Then
you Pioneer, you had a Pioneer, or if you had a Pioneer or

(01:02:45):
an Alpine, those were the two. Those are the stereos. But you
had to have Jensen Triad speakers orsomething like that. And you had him
back on the back deck. Ohyeah, and you spend hours back there
because you don't inevitably get the wrongsize. But you had to fucking make
it work. Yeah. I can'ttell you how many buddies I helped install
speakers. He's playing something out ofthis cutlass that I fucking just I didn't

(01:03:09):
believe it to be true. AndI it was the first time I had
heard that double bass, and it'sit's Ride the Lightning, it's the It's
the Ride the Lightning album. AndI just sat in his car and I
said, what is this? AndI said, and you know, I
played the drums already, and Isaid, that's not no nobody can do

(01:03:30):
that. It's like when a guitarplayer heard Eddie van Halen and I hate
to bring up Lars and van Halenin the same but because Lars is nowhere,
but you just didn't believe it tobe true. There's some trickery going
on here. And for the samereason that Tomarello would say in those early
Rage albums, there were no synthesizersused in the making of this album.

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He wanted everybody to know that itwas bass, guitar and drums, right.
I didn't believe what I was hearing. I didn't believe it to be
true because not only could I notdo that, I never even thought of
doing it that fast. You know, I had double bass, and I
just got no human being could sustainthat for that amount of time. Fight

(01:04:14):
fire with fire, bahaha, I'mlike, that's not real. That's not
it's not it's not a human beingplaying that. Yeah. Yeah, I
was blown away. You know,it wasn't It wasn't like when I saw
a Kiss when I was a littlekid and I saw that for the first
time. But when I heard Metallica, it was one of those renaissance things

(01:04:38):
where I'm listening to something and I'mhaving an experience right now that I've never
had before. And the first Iremember the first time hearing them. Wow.
See that's crazy because I came toMetallica late. So like I knew
of Metallica. I had a bunchof buddies who were into Metallica, and
like Metallica, I had heard somesongs, never really grab tated towards it.

(01:05:00):
It wasn't till the Black album cameout and I was like, holy
fuck, this is great. Youknow. Of course, I was going,
oh you you came on board bandwagonboy? You know, okay,
great, whatever, doesn't matter,But like that's where I really got introduced
to him. I'm like, holyfuck, even that to somebody who wasn't
really a Metallic a fan. WhenI heard some of that shit, I
was like, damn, this isbadass. And then I went back and

(01:05:23):
discovered the older shit. I went, oh, Jesus, this is crazy
shit and became a fan that way. I started in the middle and went
backwards. You know. I wasn'tinto it in the early days. Remember
mister ed who did like nights atthe Fox in Buffalo, long mane of
hair and stuff. We went outone night and he had got a new

(01:05:43):
car some shit. He goes,come on, man, let's go get
some drinks. I'm like, ah, fuck, yeah cool. And we
got in his car and we're hummingdown the Interstate or down the thirty three
in Buffalo right doing about one hundredand he is just fucking cranking ride the
lightning, cranking the ship of it, like where your eyeballs are crossed,
and it's so fucking loud in hiscar. Yeah, And that's when I

(01:06:04):
realized, Jesus Christ, this isfucking awesome because it was loud and Metallica
to really appreciate it needs to beloud. And I got into it and
then went and saw him at DarienLake outside of Buffalo years ago on the
Black Album tour in the pit gotmy ass kicked. It was fucking so

(01:06:26):
awesome, so loud so like Iwas scared. It was dangerous, it
was it was everything it was meantto be and awesome, absolutely awesome.
I've seen Metallica about three or fourtimes over the years, and they may
have lost a staff because they're older, but shit deliver every time on stage.

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I mean, Lars is trying tokeep up, but I think James
Hetfield has to go down. Isone of the best rhythm guitar players of
all time. He is just afterhim, killing the liquor and just getting
his head in the good space andeverything, and the dude keeps himself in
shape. He drives that band.It's him. I mean, they got

(01:07:10):
one of the best, They gotone of the best bass players in metal.
Okay, he's one of my alltime favorite based players. Robert Trihillo
Lars. I'm always critical of hisdrumming, but he does what he does
and it's Lars. It's it's unmistakablyhim. It's just not great, but
normally you're basing your rhythm section drivesthe band, but you know you're talking
about Metallic Alive. For me,it's James Hetfield, It's James Hetfield.

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He is fucking running the goddamn showvia his guitar. That's what everyone's trying
to keep up with. He ishuman metronome. His timing is perfect,
and everyone's just trying to keep upwith him. Oh and he's singing.
Forget the fact that all that's hardto do. But then he's going to
sing the songs and be a frontman. So telling the dude man.

(01:07:57):
The first time I see Metallica Monstersof Rock nineteen eighty eight, Um Metallica
Scorpions dockin Kingdom, Come Kingdom,Come, opens the show, that's uh,
what's his nuts on the drums?Jason Bonham? Jason Bonham, and

(01:08:18):
then of course Van Halen is yourheadliner. So Metallica is kind of a
baby band on that tour. Eightyeight eighty eight makes sense. Yeah,
you can see that they're they're they'rea baby band on that tour. I
mean, Ride the Lightning's already out. Um Master is already out. Master

(01:08:39):
of Puppets is you know, mostpeople will tell you that that's I mean,
it starts with Sabbath, but Masterof Puppets is right up there with
Black Sabbath is being like a perfectone of the you know, the best
metal album of all time. Ifyou want to say it's the best metal
album of all time, you canstill hang with people and say that.
So it's gotten only bigger over theyear years. But in nineteen eighty eight,

(01:09:00):
I mean Metallica, I don't rememberthem blowing everybody off the stage.
I don't remember that being the takeaway. I don't remember specifics. You know,
I'm starting to drink a little bitthen, and all of that.
That's a big stack line up too, and you're not really there for an
eighty eight You're you're not there forMetallica. Come on, man, you're
there for van Halen. Van Halenhuge scorions were huge. Um, yeah,

(01:09:25):
that was a fucking killer show.Dude. See now that you know,
obviously you really can You can't dothat today, you know, the
ship is sailed on that kind ofthing, you know, But boy,
those are great when you had thosebig, stacked stadium shows like the Mantras
I rock and then so the otherthing that we got to mention is Metallica

(01:09:46):
and Guns N' Roses. Now they'rethe two, they're oh damn they were.
Yeah, yeah, they were thebiggest of the bigs. And you
know who they wanted to take outwith them, and they're like, they
want asked Nirvana to do it,right, and they were like, no,
it's not our thing, and Nirvanawould have been exposed to so many
more people. And they just thoughtthat Guns n' Roses were a joke.

(01:10:11):
They thought that those big bands thatthey've seen bands flying in on helicopters and
these big they're like, that's notus. No, we're not doing that.
And that started the whole thing withyou know him an excel Rose,
you know, not getting along.That would have been the greatest fucking concert
ever. Yeah. If Nirvana wouldhave agreed to it. And they never

(01:10:31):
even entertained it. It wasn't we'llthink about it. It was a flat
out no. I think what didthey get faith? No more to do
it. Yeah, it's just stillgreat. You got a little bit band.
It was awesome. It still goesdown as one of the best tours
of all time. But fuck,if Nirvana was on that, that would
have been amazing. See that's whyyou know it always we always say this,

(01:10:54):
go see the shows when you getthe chance, because you never know
when those bands we're not going tobe around, you know, especially now
as everybody's way older. Your opportunitiesare closing on a lot of these bands.
Rod, what are your top fivefavorite Metallica songs. Yeah, I'm
gonna be pretty old school about this. Everything's gonna be pretty black. Album
number five from their first album.It's the oldest thing. It's something that

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they played. I think they kindof close out every show with It's just
Seek and Destroy. I would loveto sit here and tell you that I
knew that song in eighty three.That's Dave Mustain, you know, in
the band, and you know that'shis writing, and he still has some
stink on some of this stuff inthose early days. Seek and Destroy Kill

(01:11:39):
Them All recorded in Rochester, NewYork. Really yeah, And that's on
a independent, small little label.They came to New York. Sure,
they're a San Francisco band, butman, they really cut their teeth in
New York. You know, theywere like a New York band because that's
where their record label was. Jesus, want to record a gritty ass fucking

(01:12:00):
band or an album, go toRochester. That's a gritty town. That
makes sense, right, So SeekingDestroy. I think they close with that.
I still think they closed with itin at number four, Welcome Home
Sanitarium, so good off of Masterof Puppets, and it's considered one of

(01:12:23):
their early ballads, kind of theirit's their second ballot, if you know.
I mean, it's not the powerballad that we know, but it
was ballady for them. And thatcame off of eighty six Master of Puppets
Welcome Home Sanitarium written and U kindof inspired by One Flew Over the Cuckoo's
Nest. Yeah, those guys werepretty good man about their literary and where

(01:12:45):
they drew their influences from. Theywere pretty well, I don't know how
well read they were and stuff,but they were aware of things and they
were aware of books and authors.And that's going to come up in another
song coming up here. So numberfour is Welcome Home Sanitarium. Number three
again back to back Master but battery, battery, batteries, but batteries,

(01:13:14):
the needle dropper where you put iton there and then you kind of got
this, I don't know, thisrenaissance sounding guitar thing, but then just
the fucking riff. It's a hundredand ninety six beats per minute. It
just melts your fucking face and it'sso great, it's one of the best,
going back to guns, you know, opening and you know, dropping

(01:13:38):
the needle and hearing Welcome to theJungle. It's the It might be the
best opening song on a metal albumever. Maybe that's number three, number
two, Master of Puppets. Ican't get away from it. I can't
get from it, Master of Puppetsfrom one of the great albums, the
top three metal album of all time. And then number one from Whom the

(01:14:00):
Bell Tolls? Oh nice, fromWhom the Bell Tolls off of Ride the
Lightning. Cliff Burton. They saidthat he was just by far and away
the best musician in the band,so he was schooled, trained, news
stuff. Just was fucking a great, great bass player, and he would

(01:14:23):
just fool around and he would justhe would do things and they just let
him. They're like, just whatis that? Okay, let's let's build
on that. And not everybody knowsthat, you know, that's a bass
guitar in the beginning of that song. I mean, I still think there's
gonna be somebody listening to this podcastthat thinks that's an electric guitar, and
no, that's the bass guitar forwhom the Bell tolls. I don't know,

(01:14:45):
some kind of I forgot what novelistsit is Ernest Hemingway. I think
he's responsible for that. But yeah, Ride the Lightning my first exposure to
the band. I remember Creeping Deathand all of that off of that album,
right uh, and Fight Fire withFire. But boy, the evil,
the evilness of whom the bell tolls. It sounded fucking evil, and

(01:15:09):
that fucking bell tolling was just it'sstill haunting. Heavy Heavy said, you
know, going back to the commentabout the literary and the lyrics and all
that stuff, the more I listenedto music, the more I focus in
on the lyrics. And I'm tellingyou, man, you know, for
years, I was always a semilyric I'm like, oh that really that

(01:15:30):
that. I would hear certain sectionsof songs go oh that really that that
lyric, that melody, it justit was perfect. It worked. But
now I've become more of a lyricguy because I'm like, wow, man,
this is you know, over time, you hear a song a million
times when you pick up other thingsalong the way, you know, And
do you think anyone who like wasreally into Metallica knew what the fuck they

(01:15:51):
were singing about in those the songs. It was just that feeling, that
vibe, that that that fucking year, let's bring some shit sort of thing.
That's what made them artists, youknow. So the song Creeping Death.
Everybody grew up in the same eraand we all watched the same stuff.
So if you're watching around Easter time, everyone's watching Charlton Heston and The

(01:16:12):
Ten Commandments. Everyone's watching that.Okay, it was on every Easter,
and anybody in my hometown that wason, okay, watched it. Fucking
Moses is coming on. It's Easter. You gotta watch the Ten Commandments,
right, some set apart, bitch. So there's the passover scene where they
got to put the goats blood overthe doorway, and that's was passover,

(01:16:35):
and that what later is described inthe song Creeping Death. Right. I
think that was again going back totheir bass player saying, you know what,
it kind of looked like. Itwas like a creeping death. If
you didn't have the goats blood,that creeping death, that foggy green stuff
whatever they used in that movie,it was going to kill your firstborn son.

(01:16:59):
Creeping death. You know, you'rean artist and you're just you're a
little bit smarter than everyone and youthink a little differently. I saw the
Ten Commandments movie with Charlton Heston amillion times. I never called that creeping
death, you know, but somebodya Metallica did you know, they're just
thinking that would be a cool thingto write about. Oh yeah, yeah,

(01:17:23):
you know, I just I wasn'tin that kind of headspace. But
yeah, pretty awesome stuff. Youknow, one floor at the Coocker's Nest
with Welcome Home Sanitarium. Yeah,there's some cool backstories to you know,
almost all of their songs, soto my five. You know what,
we have a lot of similar songs. I'm not gonna spend a lot of
time on it, but one ofmy favorite Metallica songs and I just discovered
it like out of the blue.I just actually, you know, how

(01:17:44):
often do I really put an albumon? Not very often. Not that
I got vinyl collecting, I puta lot more on. But back of
the day, I just had CDsand I never listened to him for years,
you know, just because I didn'tI put on the shit. I
can't remember what the hell fucking elementson anyway. The song is called Mama
Said, I think it's on it'snot on the fucking who knows. I

(01:18:06):
should look this up beforehand. Weshould really, I should really do more
preparation work. Mama said, it'son. Um, I don't know if
it's a Load or it's it's noton the it is on the Black album,
I believe. Anyway, it's completelyfucking different. It's got this country
twiny shit going on. The storyis cool in it, the lyrics are

(01:18:27):
cool, it's slow, and it'sa badass tune. Now, most people
who are Metallica fans, you're true, like fucking fans, they're gonna be
like that song sucks, but ifyou listen to it, it's fucking great.
It's on the Load album. Sothat's there. Okay. They just
they just achieve like crazy status withthe Black album and they're out touring and

(01:18:48):
playing that. Foreverything they come upwith Load in ninety six, that's what's
on the album. Um. Yeah, there's a picture of James here and
he's got kind of a cowboy hat, cowboy hat going on it. Yeah,
I think I remember it completely differentsong from what they're used to.
And then then it made me think, why the fuck has James Headfield never
just gotten out and done himself ahuckleberrial, but like a cool badass one

(01:19:13):
tell the fucking murder ballads, dothe thing, play the guitar and just
do that. You know, Iguess because his bread is buttered with Metallica.
I just you wonder why he's neverbranched out and done other shit.
Because they're weird. That's why JasonNewstead's not in the band. They didn't
want him making any music. You'rein Metallican now, So if you look
at this, there's not I mean, we live in a world. I

(01:19:38):
mean just look in the rap world. I don't think there's one song on
the radio that's just one rapper.There's always somebody in there, right,
ninety people in a song. Now, okay, Well, then you tell
me a song that's out there thatborrowed somebody from Metallica and they put them
on their track. You can't findit. And it's they don't they're not
open to that. They're not collabbing, or they're not hey, I'm gonna

(01:19:58):
put out a solo thing here.They just didn't do that. That's where
Jason Newstead, who was a younger, younger than them, great bass player,
had to replace one of the alltime greats, Cliff Burton, and
did it. Did great. Butthese guys were so rich, they took
so much downtime. He's like,fuck, I want to play. I
got my friends here, I wantto They're like, you can't do that.

(01:20:19):
You're in Metallica now. And theylook back on it and they know
they made a mistake. At leastthey can recognize. They're like, yeah,
we were dicks, but you weren'tallowed to put out like what you're
talking about. You know. Theyjust they just thought differently and they were
ignorant. They say that they werestupid to be like, these guys don't
hop on stage with other people,they don't hop on songs. James never

(01:20:44):
put out a country album like yousaid, they weren't allowed. It just
seems weird, like they didn't alloweach other. They just they self governed
themselves that way, right, Butit seems like at this point James is
older wise, or he seems tohave his shit really together now, you
know what, why not was gonnabe mad? No, buddy, what
are you gonna piss off a Metallicafan? That's fine. They're not going
anywhere they're not going anywhere and they'renot gonna buy it. They don't want

(01:21:08):
to. I would see him doingsome kind of like a rockabilly where it's
got a little country to it,like him and his hot rods and doing
all all that shit, doing thatkind of thing, man, a couple
of covers, and it's like,God, that would be I think that
would be fucking cool to see whathe would come up with it. And
maybe he will say I don't know, but that's what that song gets me
thinking about. Number four, forwhom the Bell Tolls because it's fucking great.

(01:21:30):
It's so so great, and I'mtelling you, man, I haven't
done it a long time, butputting on any of these Metallica songs that
we're talking about in your car andjust putting it on blast, oh shit,
it's so fucking awesome. The soundof those albums are so great.
Number three Fade to Black. I'vealways liked Fade to Black just because of

(01:21:50):
the musicality of it all and stuff. You know, The Ballot was their
first ballad and that's when people startedsaying, oh, fucking sellouts and blah
blah blah. It was different forthat, you know, you know it's
easy to say it now, butin the moment back then, you know
you're selling out. You're there.Artists they don't have to make every song

(01:22:13):
fast, they don't, you know. But it's a great it's a great,
great song. It just missed thetop five. I mean, Fade
to Black's amazing number two. Masterof Puppets, you know what that the
scene and I know you'll you'll rememberthis, but like Master Puppets is always
just a great song. I alwaysloved it. But when they used it
in that scene in Old School,the movie Old School where they got the

(01:22:34):
black van they're going to pick upall the dudes to join the fraternity,
Yeah, that just reintroduced that fuckingsong back. And it's almost not to
the same level where uh, youknow Bohemian Rhapsody in Wayne's World did it,
But it just brought that song back, and it has and it put
a different spin on it. Anothergreat, uh example of a great piece

(01:22:58):
of music in a in a moviescene right there. Number one. Uh.
And and this would this would changeprobably in a week. But my
favorite song right now is one fromMetallica. And I'm thinking about how the
video worked, and and and everythingthey did with it, and it's just
slow and it builds and it buildsand the whole thing and it's like,
fuck, it's good. I don'tknow why I never liked the song.

(01:23:21):
I don't know why. I justcould never get into it at the the
staccato nous of it. Something aboutit just didn't flow for me. But
I remember what a huge song itwas. I remember we're working in radio
and the requests for one was justnon stop. Um. It just it

(01:23:44):
was such a huge song, propelledby them being plastered all over finally on
MTV, right right, and justyou know, okay, well, if
we're gonna be on MTV, wewant to be on all the time,
and we're gonna it's gonna look likething that's on your channel, you know.
I mean, it was awesome.It was awesome. You know.
It's it's funny with the Metallica because, like you know, after the Black

(01:24:06):
album when they put out Load andit came out many years later, obviously
it's one of those things where youkind of create a problem for yourself because
it was so successful and it's notlike loads of bad album and there's bad
songs on it. There's great shiton that album, you know, but

(01:24:28):
you know they cut their hair orwhatever it was, and you know what
I mean, And it's like whenit came out of it was like,
oh, there's fucking all right.They've they've definitely cashed in, they've definitely
sold out. And then it justthey were so big and so much pressure
was put on them from the fansand people and critics. So you couldn't
win loadin is Wings. Wings waswhat Paul McCartney did after the Beatles.

(01:24:49):
Okay, right, the Black albumis the fucking Beatles, right, and
Load is a really good album.Wings is a fucking amazing classic, man,
and everyone gave them shit because itwas like it wasn't the Beatles,
You're you're in this now this likeyou realize how big, Like Wings was
huge, great, huge. Umso that's what Load is to me,

(01:25:13):
right, So yeah, you can'twin great album and there's jizz on the
cover. I mean, it's awesome. That is pretty cool. Yeah,
I learned that on this podcast.Actually I did not know that that that
the Load album was is load,it's load. I just assumed it was
like a load, like a loadoff of their shoulders for releasing this album.
After all this success, I didn'tput it all together a load of

(01:25:35):
sperm, and here I just I'mtrying to give these guys credit for great
literary references in their lyrics, andthey have an album that's just load Yeah,
they just jiz down your CD coverand it's like, you know what
I hear. I'm trying to helpthese guys out, and it's just failed.
It failed fucking miserably. Dude.You know it's not going to fail?
Is looking badass? And a rodRyan Show Cares T shirt? My

(01:25:58):
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backpacks in like two three weeks.So it's yeah, it's definitely getting down
to the wire now. So youalways want to do as much I don't,

(01:27:04):
you know? Yeah, I wantto. I want to outdo what
I do every single year. Butgeez I can't. I gotta stop that.
I gotta stop that. It's justtoo much money. It's just too
much damn money. You know.It's a lot of hard. It's hard.
It's really hard again the Beatles,then Wings Black album, then the
Jizz album. I mean, whatcan you do? Final thoughts? Uh,

(01:27:28):
you know, uh, just it'sgood to be back doing a podcast.
It's good to be back in ana normal routine. We're gonna creep
up on, like we just mentioned, the school year, things are gonna
change. You're gonna be back onthis rigid fucking here we go kids going
to soccer, kids doing this,kids going to there, doing this,
doing that. So we're getting backto that normal grind. Um trying not
to die in this heat. Mis my final thought. Drink a lot

(01:27:51):
of water to carry yourself out therebecause it's brutal. Bro So yesterday,
end today, August first, andAugust second, the Rod Ryan Show here
in Houston, Texas, I playeda Chris Stapleton song on the air.

(01:28:12):
Dude, on the air, it'sthe fucking best rock song out there.
That's where people are taking. Theyhave a little problem with me on that.
But I after I pissed people off, then I'm like, I'm digging
my heels in and I'm like,that's that's my hot take. Right now,
there's a Chris Stapleton song. There'sobviously you know that there's something going
on with country music right now.The Billboard chart right now, the top

(01:28:35):
three songs, not the country chart, the Billboard chart where all the rappers
and all the pop tarts are andeverything. Yeah, the top three songs
are country songs right now. ThatJason Aldean's got that. Try that in
a small town. It's real controversial, controversial. Chris Stapleton has a song
out there. It's called white Horse, and I don't remember the last time

(01:29:00):
I know. You're not a countryguy. You know I'm not a country
guy. I talk about Landy Wilsonall the time, and I talk about
the girls and they're all I mean, the hottest chicks out there are country
chicks. But this Chris Stapleton song, I need you to go and listen
to it right again. It's calledwhite Horse. Nobody will ever replace Chris

(01:29:20):
Cornell, but this guy's voice ishitting me, dude, it's hitting me
wow. And I've had to explainthis and I got to talk my boss
into letting me play this too.Now, it's not that he doesn't like
the song, he just doesn't knowwhere, you know, he doesn't know

(01:29:41):
where people think on this. Nowwe're toying around and maybe you've done the
same with Jelly Roll, and thatguy's really kind of straddling, you know,
that kind of country whatever he's doinghis thing. Nickelback just came to
town. They had a country guyopening up for him on tour, and
he's got more tattoos than all theguys in Nickelback combined and Shine Down took

(01:30:05):
Jelly Roll out. You know,that's how I learned who jelly Roll was.
Chris Stapleton, everyone knows he's definitelya country guy. There's no question
about it. This is the bestfucking rock song out there right now,
and if there has got to besome connective tissue. Dan Wilson co wrote
it. He's from Semisnic and hewrote the song Closing Time. Also wrote

(01:30:27):
a hit for Adele, wrote forthe Chicks. Yeah, he's He's written
some big, big songs. Idon't know. The times are a change
in and you know that young peopledon't want to put things in a box
the way that you and I usedto. He was going way way back,
you know, I was you hadto be metal for me, And

(01:30:49):
it's like if you listen to ArioSpeedwagon or Journey, you were a bus
And you know, young people don'tthink like that because they just want songs
and they're not so much into what'sthe format. So it sounds it,
dude, it's the best rock songright now. So okay, I'm curious

(01:31:13):
to get your thoughts on it.What's the future of it on the radio
station? I don't know, butI played it two days in a row
in Morning Drive bro. Yeah,but that's good's great about it? Man,
it's you know, and I've hadthese conversations all the time. We're
called alternative radio. We're allowed.This is what made alternative radio cool.
Back in the days. We wouldtake risks, we would do crazy shit.
Now no one wants take risks,very, very seldomly. You know

(01:31:35):
the Jelly Roll song, Um,I started playing it. We're playing it
now, and we're you know,we're one of five alternative rock stations in
the country playing that song. Andit's a fucking rock song. Dude,
it's awesome. It's a great song. Asking Jesus for a favor. Yeah,
great fucking song, such a greatsong. And now how long are

(01:31:56):
we gonna play it? I don'tknow, but for right now it's fits
what New Orleans is all about too. That's our guys, listen to that
station. That's that's that song ChrisStapleton. Is interesting because the second you
say Chris Stapleton, boom alarms aregoing off in people's head who listened to
alternative radio. They're like, fuckthat because of the guy's name, right,

(01:32:19):
I think, And I don't rememberthe story exactly. You probably remember
hearing this two back in the day. I want to say it was fucking
Donny Osmond or fuck somebody. Somebodywent in and it was a New York
City radio station, this years ago, a pop station, and they said,
don't say who the fuck I am, don't put me on the air,

(01:32:43):
just playing the song. Played thesong, and people fucking went ape
shit. They loved the song,and then they said who it was,
and fucking everyone's like, oh god. So it's one of those moments where
it's that type of thing because there'sa label. There's a label, and
people can't get past these fucking correctSo all I'm saying is, just give
it a listen. I don't knowwhat's going to happen, you know,

(01:33:06):
I'm just saying that, I don'tremember the last time I got this excited
about a song, and you know, and not everybody is drinking my kool
aid. You know. I gotplenty of guys telling me, dude,
what the fuck man, You've justlost it or you've lost me or all
of that, And I just said, listen, no one's out there.
I know that. You know,these guys are like, dude, I
can tell you ten rock songs youshould be playing. Yeah, you're not

(01:33:28):
playing that new seven dush. I'mlike, yeah, okay, great,
well no one's gonna okay, butagain, no one's ever gonna replace Chris
Cornell. But fuck, dude,there's something going on here. And Tom
Morella will tell you because he metChris Stapleton, I think at the Chris
Cornell tribute and they did it.They ended up doing a song together,
and it just sounds like an audioslave song. I mean, it just

(01:33:51):
sounds amazing. So I would loveto see them do more together. I
don't. I think Chris Stapleton isjust going to be a next level artist.
I really do if he just ifhe just keeps doing this, this
song is ridiculous. Bro huh,I'll be checking it out. I will
definitely check that shit out. Imean it's, you know, like I

(01:34:11):
wrestled with a jelly roll song fora little while, you know. I
mean that's that's what I do.I gotta play the songs that I think
are gonna fit. And I'm like, well, this is a this is
a country dude. But man,he's got such heat on him right now,
and it's it doesn't feel all twangyjangly Ford Truck bullshit America country,
you know what I mean, becausethat shit, that's just fucking dumb.
At the end of the day,it's just dumb. It's bad writing,

(01:34:32):
it's bad lyrics, it's bad everything. But these like the Jelly Roll and
I'm assuming the Chris Staples and youknow, it's just not it's a it's
a rock song, you know.And that's what's great about those types of
country acts. And then again guysare fighting me, like Rod, listen
to it. It's country. Igo, I get it. It's a
country song. They didn't. Hedidn't put it out and they never said,

(01:34:54):
boy, I hope you know,I hope Rod plays this in Houston.
I hope like a rock radio stationwill play this. It was the
most added song. It got moreads coming out of the gate at country
radio. It didn't get added toone other format. Okay, so he
made the song. He did it. I know that the Semisnic guy's involved,
but that guy's written all kinds ofgenres and hits. But it's just

(01:35:19):
something you have to take a lookat. You just have to take a
look at it. And and II'm willing to put my dick on the
table for something like this. Youknow it gets chopped off. Well,
you know, there's not much toit anyways, but the fun kind of
knife we're gonna use exact though,Jesus Christ, you know what you know.

(01:35:40):
And again, you're never gonna winthe argument. You're never gonna win
the argument with that guy um who'slike, oh, this fone cultry song.
Go back and listen to some ofthat shit that we've played a million
times on the radio. There's sometwiny shit going on in some of those
songs. But for you, classicrock is unbelievably acceptable. There are are
five and I said this on theair, there are five Eagle songs that

(01:36:04):
are way more country than rock.As I'm making air quotes, right,
and you know southern rock. Imean, on a classic rock station,
you can play Sweet Home Alabama andgo right into Black Sabbath Paranoid. Righty
happens all the time. So youcan play take It to the Limit,

(01:36:25):
and then you can play Crazy Train, right, yeah, it happens.
If that can happen, I'm tryingto convince these people like it's already a
part of what we already have acceptedin our lives. They're all of that
Molly hatchet shit and allmon brothers andstuff. That's all stuff. That's all.

(01:36:45):
That's what this is. You know, it's just. But because you
want to call it country, youwant to put it in a box.
That's enough. Okay. Two things. Two things about that. When people
call in, go how old are? You ask them how old? There?
Yeah, I do, I betyou they're over forty. Of course
they are probably over fifty. Yeah, of course they are. That's no,
it's not what I grew up listeningto. Give me pearl jam,

(01:37:10):
you know. And you can takeme all the way up to you know,
Okay, if you've got to playtwenty one pilots, I'll still stick
around. But you know, easeoff on the imagine dragons. But you
got me ride, you got me, you know. And and I did
not like the Billy Eilish stuff.But it was the exact definition of what
alternative is, how you gave thedefinition earlier today. It was the alternative

(01:37:33):
to what was happening, and itwas huge. Like you said about heat
on jelly Roll, there was moreheat on Billie Eilish at the time than
any artist. And so I understoodwhy we played it, you know,
right, yeah, but that's likeboom and then okay, then we'll give
her up to whatever. You know, wherever she decides to end up going,

(01:37:55):
she'll be you know, she'll bea chr pomp, you know,
princess. It's not going to stickaround forever. It's gonna come, it's
gonna go. But that's how whatAtlantis Moore said when when we first got
all that shit, we're like,what the fuck is this? We're playing
a chick. I remember that,all of us. But then the song
was fucking great. So but youdon't play that anymore. It's just not
what happens. It's alternative, youknow again, ask them, hold there,

(01:38:17):
that's all I gotta do. Golisten to the song. I'm curious
to get your thoughts. I will. You're not gonna make me get a
Harry Styles Chris Stapleton fucking coloring booknow right, I dude, I'm friend
off with Harry. I'm I'm I'mteam Chris. Dude, you're killing me
right now. I'm leaving Harry.I'm team Chris. Did you see that

(01:38:41):
national anthem at the Super Bowl?I mean, fuck, just that alone,
that nation. It was an alltime I didn't hear about it.
Though. It was an all timegreat national anthem. You know. No,
it wasn't as good as Whitney,but it was all time. Yeah,
it's an interesting you know what inthis I'll wrap it up with this.

(01:39:05):
You took a chance, he tooka shot. You're taking a shot
with the Chris stapleson. Who elseis doing that? Nobody? There's not
one fucking radio station in the alternativeformat that is going to let that happen
rock or rock, I promise you. Chris Stapleton has exactly two spins and

(01:39:25):
it was yesterday and today. Andtrust me, it's getting back to somebody.
You know, you can't hide anymore. You know, it's all there.
It's it's it's out there. Sosomehow this will get back to somebody
and they're like, what's going onin Houston? You know? And right,
who knows, we'll see what happens. Well, what's funny is that?
You know? And again, notto blabor the point, but everyone

(01:39:46):
always bitch as about oh you guysplay the same songs over and over again.
All right, here's Chris stapleson,fuck you, what do you think
about that? Bitch? You didn'twant the imagine dragons. Well, here's
some fucking Chris Appleton. All right, Oh, I meant, I meant
play you know, the six trackoff the fucking Gojira album from seventy you
know, fuck yourself, we're notplaying that. All right. That's enough,

(01:40:13):
guys, everything is back so atplay Pants Pod. We should probably
put some stuff on social media.The YouTube page is here back so you
can watch this podcast if you're onlylistening to it and catch up on some
of the older ones. And thenif you have some ideas for some top
fives, send those over to usby away. If you want to to

(01:40:36):
share with us your top five Metallicasongs. What did we miss? I
mean we went. You know,you had one song off of Load and
that was it. Nobody. Howdo you do a top five Metallica song
and not one song off the Blackalbum makes the list? I'll tell you
why. The biggest rock albums ofall times, because we've played those songs

(01:40:59):
so much. They're still great.Love them, But I'm not sitting around
listening to Enter Sandman. I'm justnot all right? All right? Thank
you? Yes, send us,send us your Metallica top fives, all
right, Jason Good to see you. Look up bro. Yeah, you're
right. Good to be doing thisagain. Piece out, everybody, Let's
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