April 19, 2025 • 28 mins
In this powerful episode of Que Pasa Boston, host Gabriela Salas sits down with Attorney Nancy B. Norman from Horrigan & Norman Law Offices for a conversation that goes beyond legal advice to touch the heart of our community's most pressing concerns. Attorney Norman opens up about her dual role as a dedicated immigration lawyer and mother of a special needs child, sharing personal insights that have shaped her approach to advocacy. With compassion and expertise, she breaks down the complex realities of immigration and deportation procedures in this crucial political moment, providing clarity on:
Inmigración en Crisis: Realidades de Deportación y Protección Familiar con la Abogada Nancy B. Norman
En este poderoso episodio de Que Pasa Boston, la presentadora Gabriela Salas conversa con la Abogada Nancy B. Norman de Horrigan & Norman Law Offices para una conversación que va más allá del consejo legal para tocar el corazón de las preocupaciones más urgentes de nuestra comunidad. La Abogada Norman se abre sobre su doble papel como dedicada abogada de inmigración y madre de un niño con necesidades especiales, compartiendo perspectivas personales que han formado su enfoque hacia la defensa legal. Con compasión y experiencia, explica las complejas realidades de los procedimientos de inmigración y deportación en este momento político crucial, proporcionando claridad sobre:
#LeyDeInmigración #DefensaNecesidadesEspeciales #DefensaContraDeportación #DerechosLegales #RecursosComunitarios #QuePassaBoston #LatinoBoston #ConsejoLegal #ApoyoParaPadres #PolíticaDeInmigración #EducaciónEspecial #RecursosLatinos #InmigraciónBoston #PreparaciónLegal #EmpoderamentoDeLaComunidad #DefensaFamiliar
- Current immigration policies and how they're being implemented
- Essential rights everyone should know regardless of status
- Emergency preparedness for families facing deportation risks
- Resources available for parents of special needs children
- How to create a legal safety net for your family
Inmigración en Crisis: Realidades de Deportación y Protección Familiar con la Abogada Nancy B. Norman
En este poderoso episodio de Que Pasa Boston, la presentadora Gabriela Salas conversa con la Abogada Nancy B. Norman de Horrigan & Norman Law Offices para una conversación que va más allá del consejo legal para tocar el corazón de las preocupaciones más urgentes de nuestra comunidad. La Abogada Norman se abre sobre su doble papel como dedicada abogada de inmigración y madre de un niño con necesidades especiales, compartiendo perspectivas personales que han formado su enfoque hacia la defensa legal. Con compasión y experiencia, explica las complejas realidades de los procedimientos de inmigración y deportación en este momento político crucial, proporcionando claridad sobre:
- Políticas de inmigración actuales y cómo se están implementando
- Derechos esenciales que todos deberían conocer independientemente de su estatus
- Preparación de emergencia para familias que enfrentan riesgos de deportación
- Recursos disponibles para padres de niños con necesidades especiales
- Cómo crear una red de seguridad legal para su familia
#LeyDeInmigración #DefensaNecesidadesEspeciales #DefensaContraDeportación #DerechosLegales #RecursosComunitarios #QuePassaBoston #LatinoBoston #ConsejoLegal #ApoyoParaPadres #PolíticaDeInmigración #EducaciónEspecial #RecursosLatinos #InmigraciónBoston #PreparaciónLegal #EmpoderamentoDeLaComunidad #DefensaFamiliar
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Boston Comunidasi Historis Realistic person As Realities via.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Buenos Dias Boston Comenistan.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
My people, we're here today with an amazing guest, and
I want you to pay attention and start thinking about
how this is going to give you an opportunity and
make you aware of the situation that we're living today.
O Enda Boston Esta tratando, the cred the SJ Comunidasmaves
(00:41):
and moss als recursos o yaqui. We're gonna share some
resources to give you a leg up, to show you
how you can be informed and prepare for anything that
may happen going forward. And with this, I have here
at my studio a group of fabulous ladies. They're not
(01:01):
just fabulous because they're beautiful. They are fabulous because they're
bright minds, and they are based in the Boston area
North Shore as well, and they are helping me bring
information to you to be prepared on immigration laws.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Welcome Nancy Norman and team. Thank you.
Speaker 4 (01:22):
I am so excited to be here. This is a
great studio. You've been very warm and engaging to us,
and I'm very interested in sharing with the community where
we are with immigration today, how the community can help
each other and support each other through this very difficult time.
(01:43):
I just wanted to introduce I have two members of
my staff here, Nancy Lopez, she is a paralegal along
with Rihanna Poulino.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
They both.
Speaker 4 (01:55):
Have very strong commitment to immigration and helping members of
their commune unity. They are a great resource to my
office and my husband Mark Harrigan, who's part of who's
on the other part of my team and I are
very happy that they're working with us.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
Thank you so much. Nancy m b Benidas.
Speaker 5 (02:18):
Buenosias, nomere Is, Nancy Lopez SunGO Northernlasa, Normandjo and Alida
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Speaker 2 (02:39):
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Speaker 5 (02:46):
Kio Brian Communita mass informasim Ela and.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Nancy is your turn in Spanish.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
You cannot see her face just now, but she's just
like what.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
I'm actually very embarrassed now to say I am not
fluent in Spanish. However, I do follow a conversation, but
I cannot respond.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
It's fantastic.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
We appreciate all walks of life and all languages here
in Kipasa Bolston. But my question to you would be
first and foremost, why is Nancy an immigration attorney?
Speaker 2 (03:32):
What made you choose that career?
Speaker 4 (03:34):
So I've been practicing law for forty years, and when
I was attending law school in the early eighties, I
did an internship for Joseph O'Neill, who at the time
was considered the grandfather of immigration law. And I realized
at that time that I had a passion for immigration
(03:55):
law helping individuals, and also I was doing removed cases
under Attorney O'Neil's guidance as well as employment based law.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Removal cases.
Speaker 4 (04:06):
Just explain to me what is that Removal cases are
when individuals are placed in removal proceedings are deportation proceedings.
It's actually the same terminology and effacing the possibility of deportation.
So a job as an immigration attorney is to find
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a positive pathway for those individuals to legalize themselves and
hopefully obtain lawful status in the United States.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
And it's very interesting that you're mentioning the removal and
deportation because people assume or they just believe, because you're
Latino or speak Spanish, you're going to be deported or removed.
But there's other cultures all the demographics other people that
come from different countries that could be experiencing the same thing.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
Right.
Speaker 4 (04:57):
Oh, absolutely, it's the whole world. Any one who was
coming to the United States from a different country.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
It just happens that the world.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
The political view is very much so focused in the
Hispanic audience or in the Hispanic market. But really anybody
that comes from a different country that is establishing in
Boston has chances if things goes out, to be removed
or deported.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
Right, Yes, that is correct.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
Okay, So Nancy, you were telling me that you decided
to go into law school.
Speaker 4 (05:30):
Where were you born? Were you raised with attorneys in
your family? So my background is a little bit boring demographically.
I was born in the North Shore and PBN and
grew up in this area. I always wanted to be
(05:51):
an attorney. My uncle, who was very close to my
maternal uncle, was a judge, and I always fired to
get into the legal profession. In college, I attended UMass
and Amherst. I had gone for an internship in Washington,
d C. And I just felt the pulse of getting
(06:12):
involved in the legal field. So that's a little bit
of my background. And so when I started practicing immigration
law as a law student. When I graduated law school,
which was in nineteen eighty four, I continued practicing immigration
law with another law firm and then went on my
(06:34):
own in nineteen ninety. And as it ended up, my son,
Ryan Harrigan, who's now thirty years old.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Was no way you look thirty? What do you mean exactly?
Thank you so much.
Speaker 4 (06:49):
Ryan has high functioning autism and I needed a lot
of flexibility while I was practicing, and I found the
people that I worked closely with at the immigration courts
and immigration and Customs enforcement. While we were battling it
out in the courts, I found my people. They were
(07:11):
very supportive of me when I needed some flexibility in
my schedule.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
And so difficult to be a mom, full time mom,
taking care of your son and at the same time
building your own personal career.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
How was that for you?
Speaker 4 (07:29):
It was in hindsight, because it has been forty years
and my son is thirty, it was challenging. But as
we all know, everyone has challenges and you just get
through the day and you look to your family and
friends for support. And today my son is independent and
I'm very proud of that. I believe in close family,
(07:54):
and I'm happy that I am where I am professionally
as well. I admired that because I'm a single mom
as well, and I have just one daughter, and I
can't barely do my own day.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
And I believe you guys feel probably the same thing
when you're working and you're trying to juggle everything at
once and immigration and law and just anything that has
to do with books and starting and being refreshed with
like whatever changes are happening. Because your industry is, you know,
always updating, and there's new bills and there's new things
(08:29):
that you have to remember.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
I admire women that do it all. So Nancy, you
have my.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
Respect because it's when you decide to start your business.
Were you first working with corporations? Are you familiar working
with corporations? And then you went into the family side
of the law of immigration law.
Speaker 4 (08:56):
I did what's called employment based business immigration law in
addition to doing removal cases. I was much more involved
in continuing legal education for other attorneys when I was younger,
but once my husband and I had our son Ryan,
(09:17):
that that became a real focal point for me, and
I did not have the luxury to spend additional time
doing legal education to other individuals, and the focus was
our son and my practice got it.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
So I imagine my community they're probably asking the same
question as I have. What is true and what's not true?
What's happening out there? Like when people are posting all
over the place, is is coming? They're knocking at your door?
Do not open the door? Yes, open the door.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
Now.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
You can call this one. Now, you can call that one.
Look at stop a sun though? What's going on in Boston?
How can we be prepared?
Speaker 2 (10:00):
That's true.
Speaker 4 (10:01):
That is a very good question that everyone is asking
every day, especially most frequently within the past week or two.
When President Trump was sworn in in January, he was
very clear that the emphasis was going to be on
(10:23):
mass deportations starting day one, and initially that was not happening,
and people were kind of waiting.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
For it to happen.
Speaker 4 (10:35):
However, he has issued what's called executive orders really practically
on a daily basis, which has seriously altered the practice
of immigration law. In the removal setting, it does appear
that the priority for deportation is for those individuals who
(10:58):
either have an outsie standing removal deportation order or have
a criminal background.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
Let's do something here. Can you repeat that in Spanish?
Because I think this is a very important point. It's
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port masivas and el pais and the lame the supersident.
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Speaker 3 (12:27):
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Speaker 2 (12:33):
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Speaker 5 (12:40):
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Speaker 2 (12:58):
And pasado le.
Speaker 5 (13:01):
Persona Beto Jeffron or the standing persona skin is Ja.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Nancy.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
What we're saying here is that there's going to be
a reason for people to be removed or deported. There's
ices coming in with a list of people that have
already had some sort of situations in the past, correct,
that are being deported or in the process of So
I'm sharing that with with our audience. That is not
(13:40):
just because you're going out to the market, they're going
to come grab you and take you away.
Speaker 4 (13:45):
However, I think we need to explain. We're explaining how
the priority has been people who have outstanding removal or
it is in criminal cases. Having said that, there is
something that is called expedited removal, Okay, that President Trump
(14:09):
changed in February of twenty twenty five, and initially, expedited
removals were only used for individuals who were crossing the
border and Immigration made a decision that those individuals didn't
have any claim to be here, and within fourteen days
(14:30):
they were sent back to their country. However, okay, expedited
removals Now under the Trump administration looks very different. So
now individuals can be given an expedited removal order if
they've been here for less than two years. So it
(14:51):
just means someone who has crossed the border. Doesn't necessarily
mean any criminal violations, but just cross the border and
is here without documentation less than two years. Less than
two years. So my recommendation for individuals is to always
(15:12):
carry documentation to show if you have been here more
than two years that you have been here.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
What type of documentation would be acceptable?
Speaker 4 (15:22):
Any an identity document like a Massachusetts license, lease, bank records, whatever,
is easy for you to have near you in the
event that you are questioned by an ACE ICE agent
as to how long.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
You have been in the United States.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
When you say that you are questioned by the ICE agent,
what does that mean? What kind of questions can they
ask you? What are the dos and don'ts on those circumstances.
Speaker 4 (15:52):
So there is something that is called the right the
red card, which you can access very easily in an
comes and all. You can obtain it online and all
different Do you have one?
Speaker 5 (16:05):
There? I do?
Speaker 3 (16:06):
Can I have it?
Speaker 2 (16:07):
In English and Spanish? That's fantastic.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
But lees, and we're gonna share this on our social
media because I think it's a very.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
Important sharing this card.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
It's fantastic to have the information and you can see
it at my camera here, we're gonna share it.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
So this card, what.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
It says here, So you were right or I was
you know they are right, My audience is right. Like
when they say, do not open the door if they're
knocking at you at your house, right.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
Not respond, Do not respond.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
To any of the questions they are giving you because
you have the right to to stay quiet, silent, Celencio,
Feda mennala, Do not sign anything before you speak to
an attorney and casima. You can always ask the agent
(17:13):
if you can you're free to go uh and if
they say yes, you can just live income and peace
that you're okay. And you can just share these cards
to the agent if you're in your house. And this
has the attorney information as well as a nanci this
this this is so helpful.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
Thank you for sharing this with us. What can they
do or who can use these cards? So really everyone
should have that.
Speaker 4 (17:42):
I think what it does is it also gives the
individual some empowerment and some very important information. So while
the individual is able to say I want an opportunity
to speak to an attorney, I think it's important to
also understand psycho lot logically, when we're put in this
type of a situation, all of us panic and all
(18:05):
of us get very anxious. So I think having the
card is very helpful on an emotional level. I think
it's also important to understand that the ICE agent is
probably going to be very confrontational, and you need to
keep yourself in check when you're responding, and do not
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be argumentative on any level.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
When ice is around, people tend to hide because they
are afraid that something's going to happen to them. My
daughter came to me at one point and she said, Mom,
I heard that ice was around the school. What's happening
with schools? What's happening with children?
Speaker 2 (18:49):
How can I know? And how can we know that
our children are going to be safe?
Speaker 4 (18:54):
So there has been a longstanding policy that ICE agents
would not go into schools or churches, and that has
been a longstanding policy. Under the Trump administration, the policy
has changed and the language was taken out of the
policy so that ICE agents now are allowed to enter
(19:16):
a school and enter a church. But I don't see it.
I don't see that happening in real time. I'm not
saying it's not going to happen. Once again, the language
was omitted from the policy, but I'm not sure that
it was just to create chaos and anxiety for people.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
So far, I have not seen that.
Speaker 4 (19:38):
Having said that, in the past day or two, I
have heard some rumblings that the Trump administration is going
to start to make it a priority to go after
what's called unaccompanied minors, and those are children who have
come into the United States under the age of eighteen
(20:00):
with our with our parents.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
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Speaker 3 (21:31):
El Petrochels in respiracy and Nancy. This is so scary
when you're talking about children that they don't know where
they're going to end up because they are parents were
just trying to give them the opportunity to survive or
the opportunity to start a new life in a place
where there's opportunity, right, and now you're thinking of where's
my child going to end up if they're not with
(21:53):
a family member when this happens. I wish we could
have ours this causes because it's so important. But when
these happens, what's the first thing you got to do
besides giving the cards?
Speaker 2 (22:07):
Like when these children? How can we prepare children to
be aware of it?
Speaker 4 (22:13):
So I do want to explain there is a process
called special Immigrant Juvenile Process which has been part of
the immigration laws and up until recently, has not been
widely used. My office represents a lot of children and
this is a process that I think that a lot
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of people who are here in the United States could
take advantage of.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
What it involves is.
Speaker 4 (22:41):
A young person under the age of twenty one first
does a process in the Massachusetts Family in Probate Court,
gets a judgment from a judge. Typically it's called what's
called a complaint for dependency, which says the individual is
not safe and reach turning to his or her country
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and needs to stay in the United States. And it's
actually a case that is against one of the parents
for abuse, neglect, or abandonment. And once there's a finding
in the Massachusetts Family in Probate Court, then there is
a process called afarm I three sixty, which is a
petition for a special immigrant juvenile that is filed with
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USCIS and once it's approved, the individual is in the
status called deferred action and is eligible for employment authorization.
And deferred action is an important status because it basically
means the person is allowed to continue living in the
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United States. Once the individual's priority date is current for
the juvenile petition, the individual can apply for permanent residents
in the United States. So there's a lot of information
and I don't want to be overwhelming, but it definitely
is a great pathway and my advice for individuals who
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are here in the United States is to consult with
someone to see if you are eligible for.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
Any benefits or any relief.
Speaker 4 (24:20):
And I think that that is not that I think
I know that is the most important way to be proactive.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
And you mentioned something very important benefits and relief. Is
there anything? Because these processes can be so expensive, what
can people do to cover all these type of expenses,
especially hiring somebody with the experience that you have.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
I mean, like we all work for a leaving, we
also have to pay our bills. But with these.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
Situations that are so random and you're not prepared, what
do you do?
Speaker 2 (24:54):
Where do you start? There are legal.
Speaker 4 (24:56):
Services organizations, for example Catholic Charities, which is located in Boston,
Boston Legal Services. They have a large immigration section. But
I think that the power and the empowerment first is
getting the knowledge.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
That is what is so important.
Speaker 4 (25:18):
Most immigration attorneys charge a minor consultation fee between one
hundred and two hundred dollars, and then there are also
some private attorneys who do cases on a pro bono basis,
depending on what that individual attorney's passion is. For example,
my passion is assisting families who have children with disabilities.
(25:44):
But I think the empowerment is crucial to moving forward
because the chaos and the anxiety that we're seeing right
now is overwhelming. But you have to move forward and
get educated yourself as to how you can legalize.
Speaker 3 (26:01):
That's one of the reasons why we created CAPASA but
an Informac de valor. We want to give the opportunity
to our audience to educate themselves. And that's why I'm
so proud to have you here, because we need to
hear these challenges. It's very difficult. A lot of people
want to just put it under the rug and pretend
(26:22):
that nothing's happening. But things are really changing and we
need to be educated and prepared. Nancy, where can they
find you? Where can someone like from our family members,
our audience can find your services?
Speaker 4 (26:38):
My office is if the name of the law firm
is Hargan and Norman, I'm Nancy Norman mac Harregan. Is
my is my husband, Let's say it's my attorney. It's
my husband an attorney and exactly, and we work together,
although in different areas, and we are located at three
point thirty linn Way, Sweet one eleven in Lynn, Massachusetts,
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zero one nine zero one, but you can also just
check us out on the web under Oregon and Norman llls.
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J hint d n com partes information and you need
to share this because this has a lot a lot
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again and definitely be aware and get the information from
the right source because we try to just listen to
tiktoks and Instagram reels. Not everything that you see is real.
(27:53):
Go through a really truthful source that is going to
give you the right information informacy correcta coldo, Gemzar te too,
lokeas Loe, you know it. Listen to us at iHeartRadio
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(28:16):
on Sundays, and you can also download the app and
select Pasa Boston as your favorite podcast and listen to
us and share it with all your family members. See
you next Sunday. Thank you so much Nancy for being here.
Thank you team that you're a wonderful, wonderful group of
women that are supporting our community.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
I appreciate very much and thank you.
Speaker 4 (28:38):
It was great meeting you and coming here and discussing
topics that we're all passionate about.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
We'll be sharing this for sure. Thank you, everybody. See
you next Sunday it's to.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
Us Episodios Day. Basa Bostons and Nat
Boston Comunidasi Historis Realistic person As Realities via.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Buenos Dias Boston Comenistan.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
My people, we're here today with an amazing guest, and
I want you to pay attention and start thinking about
how this is going to give you an opportunity and
make you aware of the situation that we're living today.
O Enda Boston Esta tratando, the cred the SJ Comunidasmaves
(00:41):
and moss als recursos o yaqui. We're gonna share some
resources to give you a leg up, to show you
how you can be informed and prepare for anything that
may happen going forward. And with this, I have here
at my studio a group of fabulous ladies. They're not
(01:01):
just fabulous because they're beautiful. They are fabulous because they're
bright minds, and they are based in the Boston area
North Shore as well, and they are helping me bring
information to you to be prepared on immigration laws.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Welcome Nancy Norman and team. Thank you.
Speaker 4 (01:22):
I am so excited to be here. This is a
great studio. You've been very warm and engaging to us,
and I'm very interested in sharing with the community where
we are with immigration today, how the community can help
each other and support each other through this very difficult time.
(01:43):
I just wanted to introduce I have two members of
my staff here, Nancy Lopez, she is a paralegal along
with Rihanna Poulino.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
They both.
Speaker 4 (01:55):
Have very strong commitment to immigration and helping members of
their commune unity. They are a great resource to my
office and my husband Mark Harrigan, who's part of who's
on the other part of my team and I are
very happy that they're working with us.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
Thank you so much. Nancy m b Benidas.
Speaker 5 (02:18):
Buenosias, nomere Is, Nancy Lopez SunGO Northernlasa, Normandjo and Alida
Communis Inpacto pero.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Latin Grass. Yes, moments you know.
Speaker 5 (02:46):
Kio Brian Communita mass informasim Ela and.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Nancy is your turn in Spanish.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
You cannot see her face just now, but she's just
like what.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
I'm actually very embarrassed now to say I am not
fluent in Spanish. However, I do follow a conversation, but
I cannot respond.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
It's fantastic.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
We appreciate all walks of life and all languages here
in Kipasa Bolston. But my question to you would be
first and foremost, why is Nancy an immigration attorney?
Speaker 2 (03:32):
What made you choose that career?
Speaker 4 (03:34):
So I've been practicing law for forty years, and when
I was attending law school in the early eighties, I
did an internship for Joseph O'Neill, who at the time
was considered the grandfather of immigration law. And I realized
at that time that I had a passion for immigration
(03:55):
law helping individuals, and also I was doing removed cases
under Attorney O'Neil's guidance as well as employment based law.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Removal cases.
Speaker 4 (04:06):
Just explain to me what is that Removal cases are
when individuals are placed in removal proceedings are deportation proceedings.
It's actually the same terminology and effacing the possibility of deportation.
So a job as an immigration attorney is to find
(04:27):
a positive pathway for those individuals to legalize themselves and
hopefully obtain lawful status in the United States.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
And it's very interesting that you're mentioning the removal and
deportation because people assume or they just believe, because you're
Latino or speak Spanish, you're going to be deported or removed.
But there's other cultures all the demographics other people that
come from different countries that could be experiencing the same thing.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
Right.
Speaker 4 (04:57):
Oh, absolutely, it's the whole world. Any one who was
coming to the United States from a different country.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
It just happens that the world.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
The political view is very much so focused in the
Hispanic audience or in the Hispanic market. But really anybody
that comes from a different country that is establishing in
Boston has chances if things goes out, to be removed
or deported.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
Right, Yes, that is correct.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
Okay, So Nancy, you were telling me that you decided
to go into law school.
Speaker 4 (05:30):
Where were you born? Were you raised with attorneys in
your family? So my background is a little bit boring demographically.
I was born in the North Shore and PBN and
grew up in this area. I always wanted to be
(05:51):
an attorney. My uncle, who was very close to my
maternal uncle, was a judge, and I always fired to
get into the legal profession. In college, I attended UMass
and Amherst. I had gone for an internship in Washington,
d C. And I just felt the pulse of getting
(06:12):
involved in the legal field. So that's a little bit
of my background. And so when I started practicing immigration
law as a law student. When I graduated law school,
which was in nineteen eighty four, I continued practicing immigration
law with another law firm and then went on my
(06:34):
own in nineteen ninety. And as it ended up, my son,
Ryan Harrigan, who's now thirty years old.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Was no way you look thirty? What do you mean exactly?
Thank you so much.
Speaker 4 (06:49):
Ryan has high functioning autism and I needed a lot
of flexibility while I was practicing, and I found the
people that I worked closely with at the immigration courts
and immigration and Customs enforcement. While we were battling it
out in the courts, I found my people. They were
(07:11):
very supportive of me when I needed some flexibility in
my schedule.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
And so difficult to be a mom, full time mom,
taking care of your son and at the same time
building your own personal career.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
How was that for you?
Speaker 4 (07:29):
It was in hindsight, because it has been forty years
and my son is thirty, it was challenging. But as
we all know, everyone has challenges and you just get
through the day and you look to your family and
friends for support. And today my son is independent and
I'm very proud of that. I believe in close family,
(07:54):
and I'm happy that I am where I am professionally
as well. I admired that because I'm a single mom
as well, and I have just one daughter, and I
can't barely do my own day.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
And I believe you guys feel probably the same thing
when you're working and you're trying to juggle everything at
once and immigration and law and just anything that has
to do with books and starting and being refreshed with
like whatever changes are happening. Because your industry is, you know,
always updating, and there's new bills and there's new things
(08:29):
that you have to remember.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
I admire women that do it all. So Nancy, you
have my.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
Respect because it's when you decide to start your business.
Were you first working with corporations? Are you familiar working
with corporations? And then you went into the family side
of the law of immigration law.
Speaker 4 (08:56):
I did what's called employment based business immigration law in
addition to doing removal cases. I was much more involved
in continuing legal education for other attorneys when I was younger,
but once my husband and I had our son Ryan,
(09:17):
that that became a real focal point for me, and
I did not have the luxury to spend additional time
doing legal education to other individuals, and the focus was
our son and my practice got it.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
So I imagine my community they're probably asking the same
question as I have. What is true and what's not true?
What's happening out there? Like when people are posting all
over the place, is is coming? They're knocking at your door?
Do not open the door? Yes, open the door.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
Now.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
You can call this one. Now, you can call that one.
Look at stop a sun though? What's going on in Boston?
How can we be prepared?
Speaker 2 (10:00):
That's true.
Speaker 4 (10:01):
That is a very good question that everyone is asking
every day, especially most frequently within the past week or two.
When President Trump was sworn in in January, he was
very clear that the emphasis was going to be on
(10:23):
mass deportations starting day one, and initially that was not happening,
and people were kind of waiting.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
For it to happen.
Speaker 4 (10:35):
However, he has issued what's called executive orders really practically
on a daily basis, which has seriously altered the practice
of immigration law. In the removal setting, it does appear
that the priority for deportation is for those individuals who
(10:58):
either have an outsie standing removal deportation order or have
a criminal background.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
Let's do something here. Can you repeat that in Spanish?
Because I think this is a very important point. It's
more important kes loke is the Boston and c o
k I s es cier toke noospos.
Speaker 5 (11:26):
Se entrances explicando and realida comun comun the ne moost
lais president, the trump primerda, the ka concentra and the
port masivas and el pais and the lame the supersident.
(11:51):
So in effecto te pronto per mosssis and administer the
president or staiano the ke lesta mucha ordnkutivas like costs
less young in terms spasms and the sociales or the
(12:13):
laso tras personas the key I s v n a
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important a ver the k you know, cal persident system
fucando and persona containing order, the removing men maintaining.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
Historiale and a historial persona t number on lista.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
Then yes, calke cal.
Speaker 5 (12:40):
S local administerra young u the pictado and as a
s o and as ordnva kostang raly sandos the KOs
stang principal mente jendo plast personas cantendo Ordan is the
removimento or the portas young and al Pasado j.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
And pasado le.
Speaker 5 (13:01):
Persona Beto Jeffron or the standing persona skin is Ja.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Nancy.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
What we're saying here is that there's going to be
a reason for people to be removed or deported. There's
ices coming in with a list of people that have
already had some sort of situations in the past, correct,
that are being deported or in the process of So
I'm sharing that with with our audience. That is not
(13:40):
just because you're going out to the market, they're going
to come grab you and take you away.
Speaker 4 (13:45):
However, I think we need to explain. We're explaining how
the priority has been people who have outstanding removal or
it is in criminal cases. Having said that, there is
something that is called expedited removal, Okay, that President Trump
(14:09):
changed in February of twenty twenty five, and initially, expedited
removals were only used for individuals who were crossing the
border and Immigration made a decision that those individuals didn't
have any claim to be here, and within fourteen days
(14:30):
they were sent back to their country. However, okay, expedited
removals Now under the Trump administration looks very different. So
now individuals can be given an expedited removal order if
they've been here for less than two years. So it
(14:51):
just means someone who has crossed the border. Doesn't necessarily
mean any criminal violations, but just cross the border and
is here without documentation less than two years. Less than
two years. So my recommendation for individuals is to always
(15:12):
carry documentation to show if you have been here more
than two years that you have been here.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
What type of documentation would be acceptable?
Speaker 4 (15:22):
Any an identity document like a Massachusetts license, lease, bank records, whatever,
is easy for you to have near you in the
event that you are questioned by an ACE ICE agent
as to how long.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
You have been in the United States.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
When you say that you are questioned by the ICE agent,
what does that mean? What kind of questions can they
ask you? What are the dos and don'ts on those circumstances.
Speaker 4 (15:52):
So there is something that is called the right the
red card, which you can access very easily in an
comes and all. You can obtain it online and all
different Do you have one?
Speaker 5 (16:05):
There? I do?
Speaker 3 (16:06):
Can I have it?
Speaker 2 (16:07):
In English and Spanish? That's fantastic.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
But lees, and we're gonna share this on our social
media because I think it's a very.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
Important sharing this card.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
It's fantastic to have the information and you can see
it at my camera here, we're gonna share it.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
So this card, what.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
It says here, So you were right or I was
you know they are right, My audience is right. Like
when they say, do not open the door if they're
knocking at you at your house, right.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
Not respond, Do not respond.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
To any of the questions they are giving you because
you have the right to to stay quiet, silent, Celencio,
Feda mennala, Do not sign anything before you speak to
an attorney and casima. You can always ask the agent
(17:13):
if you can you're free to go uh and if
they say yes, you can just live income and peace
that you're okay. And you can just share these cards
to the agent if you're in your house. And this
has the attorney information as well as a nanci this
this this is so helpful.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
Thank you for sharing this with us. What can they
do or who can use these cards? So really everyone
should have that.
Speaker 4 (17:42):
I think what it does is it also gives the
individual some empowerment and some very important information. So while
the individual is able to say I want an opportunity
to speak to an attorney, I think it's important to
also understand psycho lot logically, when we're put in this
type of a situation, all of us panic and all
(18:05):
of us get very anxious. So I think having the
card is very helpful on an emotional level. I think
it's also important to understand that the ICE agent is
probably going to be very confrontational, and you need to
keep yourself in check when you're responding, and do not
(18:26):
be argumentative on any level.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
When ice is around, people tend to hide because they
are afraid that something's going to happen to them. My
daughter came to me at one point and she said, Mom,
I heard that ice was around the school. What's happening
with schools? What's happening with children?
Speaker 2 (18:49):
How can I know? And how can we know that
our children are going to be safe?
Speaker 4 (18:54):
So there has been a longstanding policy that ICE agents
would not go into schools or churches, and that has
been a longstanding policy. Under the Trump administration, the policy
has changed and the language was taken out of the
policy so that ICE agents now are allowed to enter
(19:16):
a school and enter a church. But I don't see it.
I don't see that happening in real time. I'm not
saying it's not going to happen. Once again, the language
was omitted from the policy, but I'm not sure that
it was just to create chaos and anxiety for people.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
So far, I have not seen that.
Speaker 4 (19:38):
Having said that, in the past day or two, I
have heard some rumblings that the Trump administration is going
to start to make it a priority to go after
what's called unaccompanied minors, and those are children who have
come into the United States under the age of eighteen
(20:00):
with our with our parents.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
But the more repetan.
Speaker 5 (20:05):
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the Trump you know, and the lautia esta and plus
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(20:31):
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santarios and s i am escuccado, the k administration, the
Trump tan being skeer ke and fol lonos. You can
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(21:00):
ministra on the Trumps typic am but that can como
responder and that's a stane when you're the position our president.
(21:21):
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Speaker 3 (21:31):
El Petrochels in respiracy and Nancy. This is so scary
when you're talking about children that they don't know where
they're going to end up because they are parents were
just trying to give them the opportunity to survive or
the opportunity to start a new life in a place
where there's opportunity, right, and now you're thinking of where's
my child going to end up if they're not with
(21:53):
a family member when this happens. I wish we could
have ours this causes because it's so important. But when
these happens, what's the first thing you got to do
besides giving the cards?
Speaker 2 (22:07):
Like when these children? How can we prepare children to
be aware of it?
Speaker 4 (22:13):
So I do want to explain there is a process
called special Immigrant Juvenile Process which has been part of
the immigration laws and up until recently, has not been
widely used. My office represents a lot of children and
this is a process that I think that a lot
(22:34):
of people who are here in the United States could
take advantage of.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
What it involves is.
Speaker 4 (22:41):
A young person under the age of twenty one first
does a process in the Massachusetts Family in Probate Court,
gets a judgment from a judge. Typically it's called what's
called a complaint for dependency, which says the individual is
not safe and reach turning to his or her country
(23:02):
and needs to stay in the United States. And it's
actually a case that is against one of the parents
for abuse, neglect, or abandonment. And once there's a finding
in the Massachusetts Family in Probate Court, then there is
a process called afarm I three sixty, which is a
petition for a special immigrant juvenile that is filed with
(23:26):
USCIS and once it's approved, the individual is in the
status called deferred action and is eligible for employment authorization.
And deferred action is an important status because it basically
means the person is allowed to continue living in the
(23:46):
United States. Once the individual's priority date is current for
the juvenile petition, the individual can apply for permanent residents
in the United States. So there's a lot of information
and I don't want to be overwhelming, but it definitely
is a great pathway and my advice for individuals who
(24:11):
are here in the United States is to consult with
someone to see if you are eligible for.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
Any benefits or any relief.
Speaker 4 (24:20):
And I think that that is not that I think
I know that is the most important way to be proactive.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
And you mentioned something very important benefits and relief. Is
there anything? Because these processes can be so expensive, what
can people do to cover all these type of expenses,
especially hiring somebody with the experience that you have.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
I mean, like we all work for a leaving, we
also have to pay our bills. But with these.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
Situations that are so random and you're not prepared, what
do you do?
Speaker 2 (24:54):
Where do you start? There are legal.
Speaker 4 (24:56):
Services organizations, for example Catholic Charities, which is located in Boston,
Boston Legal Services. They have a large immigration section. But
I think that the power and the empowerment first is
getting the knowledge.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
That is what is so important.
Speaker 4 (25:18):
Most immigration attorneys charge a minor consultation fee between one
hundred and two hundred dollars, and then there are also
some private attorneys who do cases on a pro bono basis,
depending on what that individual attorney's passion is. For example,
my passion is assisting families who have children with disabilities.
(25:44):
But I think the empowerment is crucial to moving forward
because the chaos and the anxiety that we're seeing right
now is overwhelming. But you have to move forward and
get educated yourself as to how you can legalize.
Speaker 3 (26:01):
That's one of the reasons why we created CAPASA but
an Informac de valor. We want to give the opportunity
to our audience to educate themselves. And that's why I'm
so proud to have you here, because we need to
hear these challenges. It's very difficult. A lot of people
want to just put it under the rug and pretend
(26:22):
that nothing's happening. But things are really changing and we
need to be educated and prepared. Nancy, where can they
find you? Where can someone like from our family members,
our audience can find your services?
Speaker 4 (26:38):
My office is if the name of the law firm
is Hargan and Norman, I'm Nancy Norman mac Harregan. Is
my is my husband, Let's say it's my attorney. It's
my husband an attorney and exactly, and we work together,
although in different areas, and we are located at three
point thirty linn Way, Sweet one eleven in Lynn, Massachusetts,
(26:58):
zero one nine zero one, but you can also just
check us out on the web under Oregon and Norman llls.
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Oregon and Norman.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
J hint d n com partes information and you need
to share this because this has a lot a lot
of key information. You have to replay it again and
again and definitely be aware and get the information from
the right source because we try to just listen to
tiktoks and Instagram reels. Not everything that you see is real.
(27:53):
Go through a really truthful source that is going to
give you the right information informacy correcta coldo, Gemzar te too,
lokeas Loe, you know it. Listen to us at iHeartRadio
on gemin ninety four five and Rombat ninety seven seven
(28:16):
on Sundays, and you can also download the app and
select Pasa Boston as your favorite podcast and listen to
us and share it with all your family members. See
you next Sunday. Thank you so much Nancy for being here.
Thank you team that you're a wonderful, wonderful group of
women that are supporting our community.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
I appreciate very much and thank you.
Speaker 4 (28:38):
It was great meeting you and coming here and discussing
topics that we're all passionate about.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
We'll be sharing this for sure. Thank you, everybody. See
you next Sunday it's to.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
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