Cindy Stein offers yet another harrowing, cautionary tale about her daughter in Durango who is being groomed and housed as a transgender male by a lesbian teacher and her non-binary partner, against Cindy's wishes. Unfortunately, local law enforcement was no help and was caught on bodycam footage mocking this very serious situation. Cindy joins Ryan to share her story.
Jimmy Sengenberger, columnist and investigative reporter for The Gazette, joins Ryan with his latest op-ed calling on Dr. Alex Marrero to resign as superintendent of Denver Public Schools.
It’s time for Denver schools’ Marrero to go | Jimmy Sengenberger | Opinion | gazette.com
Also, Jimmy will be performing with his 'Jimmy Junior Blues Band' at Douglas County's 10th Annual Law Enforcement Appreciation Day at Douglas County Fairgrounds in Castle Rock on Sunday at 3pm.
Jimmy Sengenberger, columnist and investigative reporter for The Gazette, joins Ryan with his latest op-ed calling on Dr. Alex Marrero to resign as superintendent of Denver Public Schools.
It’s time for Denver schools’ Marrero to go | Jimmy Sengenberger | Opinion | gazette.com
Also, Jimmy will be performing with his 'Jimmy Junior Blues Band' at Douglas County's 10th Annual Law Enforcement Appreciation Day at Douglas County Fairgrounds in Castle Rock on Sunday at 3pm.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I'm deputy server.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
How are you good? That's all I need to basically hear.
I'm just coming by to make sure you're good, you
know what I mean. I'm not going to try to
insert myself into something that's already sort of in processed
or whatever you're doing.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
You know.
Speaker 4 (00:16):
I guess by legal.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Standard, you're technically a minor as a seventeen year old.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
But I just wanted to make sure you're good.
Speaker 5 (00:26):
Yeah, you're good.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
Yeah, okay, very good.
Speaker 4 (00:29):
That's all I need for now.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
And I appreciate you guys, and I appreciate your willingness to.
Speaker 4 (00:36):
I don't know, I guess help me check boxes right here.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Probably going to have to speak with them, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 6 (00:57):
Alright.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
So I'm deputy server there, and you folks are I'm mom.
Speaker 7 (01:03):
Okay, all right, okay, So I basically went and did
a welfare check and I don't see signs of distress there.
Speaker 8 (01:16):
Doesn't need to be distressed. She needs to come home.
She's harbored by these folks. I does not have my
permission to be here. She is a minor. I don't
care if she's a day away from eighteen. A minor
is a minor and she's not had my permission.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
To be here, right, But again, it doesn't rise to
the level of law enforcement involvement. She's not in distress
right now.
Speaker 8 (01:38):
I'm sorry you're telling me that you're not going to.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Physically rip her out of that home.
Speaker 5 (01:44):
Yeah, even if there was an agreement between CPS and
her and the mother.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
That that those are civil agreements and you're gonna have
to deal with those on a civil level.
Speaker 9 (01:53):
So even though she is a minor, she has no
permission to be here, she's technically a runaway at this point.
They're harboring her.
Speaker 8 (02:05):
And that's okay.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
I mean, we heard you.
Speaker 9 (02:10):
Guys laugh up there, so there's obviously something that was
fun Wasn't I kidnapping when you were supposed to give
a child back?
Speaker 1 (02:16):
No, seriously, So what.
Speaker 9 (02:19):
Was funny is that? I'd like to know what you
guys were laughing at them? So what was funny?
Speaker 1 (02:26):
I don't believe that's relevant.
Speaker 9 (02:28):
Why do when you're talking about a child.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
This is a seventeen year old, he's still a minor.
Minor and child are different, and distress was not seen.
I was told distress.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
Okay, you guys have a civil suit.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Tail I'm doing my job? Are you yep?
Speaker 7 (02:53):
Good?
Speaker 3 (02:54):
So bottom line is I can't.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Can I go up there? And no?
Speaker 2 (02:59):
No, In fact, they specifically said that you're not allowed
on their property.
Speaker 9 (03:05):
Is people have literally taken this child?
Speaker 4 (03:08):
They have? I don't know.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
See I get other sides that say that the child's
been thrown out of the house.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
No, that's wrong, that's wrong.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Okay, but do you see where I'm standing? What am
I supposed to do? I can't make the determination.
Speaker 4 (03:22):
Apparently he can't, and he claims he's just doing his job.
As you hear that, maybe for a second time, maybe
for a first time, do you feel that Laplatta County
Deputy Brayton Thurber was doing his job, doing it well,
doing it professionally, doing it appropriately. I do not that
bodycam footage came out only because of CORA requests and
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pressuring that to come out into the public sphere, because
obviously it's very embarrassing for the Laplata Sheriff's office. This
was horribly mishandled, in my view, the laughing, not taking
it seriously. Okay, I'm just here. I'm not here and
make any jell you good, nor ask yourself this question
(04:06):
would Deputy Therber have handled this the same way. If
this was a little girl with two adult men. Would
she's her saying I'm fine, I'm good, leave me alone
seventeen Would that have been okay? I have a feeling
it would not have been a deputy third. But the
fact that it was a biological female minor, and he's
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also right, should he should be investigated, at the very minimum, reprimanded,
probably fired on this audio. This is so damning and
damaging to their brand and their credibility, to the integrity
of that department. He's a clown. He handled this like
a clown, a very serious situation. It really gets my
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dander up. It certainly does, because again I'll point out,
this would have been handled very differently if the genders
were changed. We have a non binary, non conforming, biologically
female minors whatever, a girl claiming to be a boy,
whose identity is being affirmed in a household that contains
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a lesbian woman and a transgender person. He probably just ah,
it's just them doing their thing. No, absolutely not. This
happened in duringo of course, Laplata County and joining us
now for her take on it. I believe the first
time that She's appeared on radio to do an interview
(05:37):
about this, at least with me, Cindy Stein. She is
the mother you heard in the car there, and Cindy,
I just want to ask you, first out of the gate,
thank you for joining me. But secondly, upon hearing that again,
what your thoughts are, what's going through your mind when
you hear that?
Speaker 3 (05:53):
Hi, Ryan, thank you so much for having me. When
I listen see that again, it just it breaks my
heart from my daughter, ultimately, she's the one who loses.
And the lack of respect and the lack of response
from law enforcement, from the mental health facilities here, from
CPS even has been appalling at times. I just have
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no words.
Speaker 4 (06:17):
Do you agrieve my assessment that if your daughter was
in the company of two heterosexual men in a household
like that, it would have handled a whole hell of
a lot differently.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
Absolutely, And that's been my point of view from the
get go. Has this been a male teacher that was
harboring her, he'd be in jail by now.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
I believe that, and I agree with that. Let's go
to a phone call that you had. This was also
captured on audio in which you are calling the household
looking for your child?
Speaker 10 (06:52):
Hi?
Speaker 3 (06:52):
Is this Joanne Y?
Speaker 10 (06:55):
Hi?
Speaker 8 (06:55):
This is Cindy Stein.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
I am Onyx's mom.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
I am here to pick her.
Speaker 10 (07:00):
Up, and I'm.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
Here to pick her up.
Speaker 8 (07:03):
She does not have my permission to be at your house,
so I would like you to help her get packed
and I encourage her to leave your house willingly.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
Thank you. Yes, I'm going to give on a floor
year call hell.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
I'll tell you what.
Speaker 8 (07:33):
We'll go ahead and call the sheriff and you call
your lawyer.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
Thank you, all right, Cindy, what can you tell us
about the household where your daughter was holding up the
people in there?
Speaker 10 (07:48):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (07:49):
Well, Joanne was my daughter's teacher, so I didn't actually
meet her until my child ran away this past November.
Didn't ever really hear anything about her, didn't know much
about Keaven or Vivian, however you want to refer to
that persons. I didn't know much. And the only thing
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I did know is that she's constantly been on the
phone with an attorney to block me, b lock my
printal rights, and to stop me from being my daughter's parent.
Speaker 4 (08:27):
Joanne Smotherman is the teacher in question, and this blurring
of the lines is what really gets me, Cindy, And
as you're probably well aware by now, this is not
an isolated incident in the state of Colorado. We saw
this happen in a grooming case at Columbine High School
with a social studies teacher who was a woman grooming
a fifteen year old sophomore girl in what became a
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lesbian relationship. They then severed ties with the parents, claimed
the girl was homeless, filed a paperwork falsely, I might add,
under that pretense allowed her to stay in with ated to
a halfway house with a third party teacher until the
girl turned eighteen, moved to California and now lives with
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the teacher who groomed her. Are you familiar with that case?
Speaker 3 (09:11):
I have heard about it. Yeah, it sounds early similar
to mine. Joanne's Motherman has tried to emancipate my daughter
since again back in November of twenty twenty four. She
has done everything in her power to separate my daughter
from me and the family and eliminate me completely from
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the picture.
Speaker 4 (09:35):
Cindy Stein, our guest. She's the mother of the identified
onyx who was identifying as male. Cindy, if you don't mind,
you know there's this bill thirteen twelve about dead naming,
But what did you name your daughter?
Speaker 3 (09:47):
Her legal name is Jocelyn, Jocelyn Okay, beautiful girl.
Speaker 4 (09:51):
I believe that wholeheartedly. When did you notice that something
was a miss, something was off, something was askew. Maybe
she was having a problem. How far back does that go?
Speaker 3 (10:03):
Becomes back to even when she was sixteen, so she
just turned eighteen. I was going through a intense cancer
battle for my life. I believe that's when Joanne inserted
herself into our lives. By the time Jocelyn was seventeen,
she was in the beginning of her junior year. She
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was pulling away from the family. She stopped participating in dinners,
family movie nights, family activities. She was constantly in her
room with the door closed. Wasn't too far after that
that she started dressing in men's clothes, and she cut
her hair and shaved her head, was using them's body
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washed and deodorant, and she even adopted really bad table manner.
It was about that time and then she finally came
out and told me, she said, I don't think I'm
a boy. I am a boy. And I think by
that time she'd already had the influence of Joanne Smotherman
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for at least a year.
Speaker 4 (11:09):
You might not know the answer to this, Sindy, but
do you know why or what prompted Joanne Smotherman to
insert herself into your daughter's life? Did she since there
was a vulnerability. Do you have any sense of why
that happened?
Speaker 3 (11:24):
Absolutely, it's my feeling that when I was going through
the cancer treatment, it was a very vulnerable time for
my daughter. She's watching me fight for my life. And
again when she turned seventeen, we finally did get an
autism diagnosis to ADHD. She won't tell me what it is,
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but I think it's schizophrenia on top of all of
that in anxiety and depression. So she's a very vulnerable,
at risk child who was always awkward in pool, had
a hard time making friends. I was bullied throughout most
of her school career, and I've seen Joanne since that.
She was just awkward and stepped in and took advantage
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of my child.
Speaker 4 (12:12):
Well, there have been studies that a large number of
youth that are claiming to have gender dys for you
are on the spectrum, the autism spectrum in some way
shape maniform Cindy Stein joining us, and I think it's
additionally unconscionable that Cindy, as a recovering cancer patient, is
being treated in this manner by this couple law enforcement,
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as you heard, Child Protective Services, etc. I mean, Cindy,
you've been hitting brickwall after brick wall after brick wall.
Can you tell us exactly? Because what I've seen and
I've tried to kind of do some apual research here
as I call it, from the other side, and there
are sites, Reddit, threads whatever dedicated to Onyx and claiming
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that you're the villain here, that you dead name, or
that you would not acknowledge her gender, or that you
kicked her out of the house, and that therefore or
at that point, all bets were off and Onyx could
do whatever Onyx wanted. How do you respond to that?
Speaker 3 (13:07):
First of all, I never kicked her out of the house.
We had an agreement with CPS that when things got
heated or overwhelming inside my house, she had two places
that she could go. Joan some other men's house was
never one of them, so I gave her permission to
go to a different location, which was supposed to be
one of those two houses. So ONYX never had the
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right or the ability, in my opinion, to go do
whatever she wanted. And I stand by not gender affirming
my child. I believe there are other issues, there are
other mental illnesses that need to be dealt with. Rather
than say yes, I think you're a boy.
Speaker 4 (13:49):
I disagree with it, Cindy Stein, our guest. And you're
probably well aware by now of what this house built
twenty five thirteen twelve would do to a parent like you, Cindy,
if you refuse to affirm the gender, that could be
taking into account into taking your child away from you,
which was already done in hindsight. Now and now your
daughter has turned eighteen, but wasn't eighteen at the time.
And this is where I'm especially furious with this deputy
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clown that we're talking about Breton Thurber saying there's a
difference between her minor and their child. There's not. You're
either a minor or you're not. You're either under the
purview of your parent or you were not. She had
not been emancipated. Despite Joanne Smotherman's efforts to fight you
on this, did you ever get an explanation on that?
I'd like to know according to Deputy Thurber, the authority
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on all things where the line is dividing child from minor.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
I was never given an explanation. I've never been able
to find the answer. I don't even know what law
they were hiding behind and saying they wouldn't get involved.
Speaker 4 (14:48):
Cindy, the very latest on where this all stands now
your relationship with your daughter who is experiencing the gender dysphoria.
I think you're on the right track saying that there
are other issues at play here that need to be treated,
and if they're not, they are simply treating a symptom
and not the cause of all of this. What can
you tell us?
Speaker 3 (15:09):
I agree my daughter true Joan Smotherman had an attorney
hired and they basically told me to see the all
communication with my kiddo. So rather than be slapped with
the restraining order, I've had to honor that. So I
don't have a relationship with my child anymore, transgender or not.
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That was taken away from me as well.
Speaker 4 (15:35):
Sending you my heart breaks for you know our listeners
as well especially. I hope your health is on the
right track with a cancer diagnosis and treatment. But what
you might offer to a parent out there who is
going through this very same thing. We know that there
are others. What you've learned from this experience, if there's
anything upon hindsight and reflection warning signs that you now know,
(15:57):
is there advice that you could give to a parent
who's struggle with this.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
Yeah, definitely. I would say listen to your parents' spidey sense.
If you feel like there's something going on with your child,
there probably is. One of the biggest symptoms for me
was the withdrawal, and my child just got very quiet
and stop participating in the family. So I would say
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to other parents who are facing this, talk to your
child and find out where the leak is and turn
the facet off to stop all communications. If you have
to have a strong backbone and you take the phones,
and you take the computers, and you stop all communication
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with whatever influence is trying to get in your child's life.
And it's okay to be the bad parent and to
stand up for your kids, and it's okay for them
to hate you for a little bit, because I think
you may just be saving your life.
Speaker 4 (17:01):
Cindy so well said, and as I stated, you are
always welcome on this show. I know there's a lot
of time between now and wherever this ends up, and
hopefully you will reconcile with your daughter at some point.
But like you said, she's an adult now. You have
to respect that, I guess. But the fact that it
got here is so heartbreaking. We thank you so much
for taking the time to share your story with us today.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
Yeah, thank you so much for having me. I really
appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (17:25):
Cindy Stein right there and you can only imagine what
she has gone through, this nightmare that she has endured.
But you have some texts along those lines. If you'd
like to offer your response and support for Cindy, I
can pass that along as well. Five seven seven three
nine will continue with this story and it's coverage into
next week and joining me next Jimmy Sangeberger from The
Gazette on his latest op ed, shade.
Speaker 5 (18:06):
Of business going on here, but seeing shadows everywhere?
Speaker 1 (18:16):
Shake the business going on here?
Speaker 4 (18:19):
Seeing shadows everywhere? I mean, what are you.
Speaker 5 (18:29):
Supposed to do when you feel about a safe business?
Speaker 4 (18:43):
People speak and plotting.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
They've old God that mighty crooked smile.
Speaker 4 (18:56):
That should be Junior Blues Band. That's right, that recording
from Jimmy himself. You can hear him singing and playing
the harmonica and all the tunes and you can see
them on Sunday.
Speaker 5 (19:08):
Jimmy, I am excited to be back out there with
the Jimmy Junior Blues Band.
Speaker 4 (19:14):
It is going to be a blast. I gotta ask
you right now because this is a little technicality people
that listen to the podcast might realize. So we hold
at iHeart the over the air licensing copyright rights to
lots of commercial license music when we do the radio show.
But when we upload the podcast, that gets a little trick.
I hate it, and it does with the digital we
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don't have that footprint. We don't have those rights. So
I have to cut out all the awesome songs that
I use on this show, on Dan's show, from the podcast.
I've got the artist right here. I'm asking you for
permission to use that song on my podcast.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
Ryan, you have permission to use this song. In fact,
you are encouraged to use this song and I won't
even charge you for it.
Speaker 4 (19:56):
I love that, no royalties. I'll tell you what though,
I'm going to be their son. So tell the people
about Sunday, what's going on and we're going to fall.
Speaker 5 (20:03):
The tenth annual Douglas County Law Enforcement Appreciation Day is
happening at the Douglas County Fairgrounds in Castle Rock from
three until six, and my band, the Jimmy Junior Blues Band,
will be headlining. We're going to start off and then
after doing a few tunes, some of the speakers and
the intros and my sister Caitlin's going to sing the
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national anthem and join us for a long train run
in the Doobie Brothers classic.
Speaker 4 (20:31):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
That'll be an absolute blast.
Speaker 5 (20:33):
And we've got to know Sheriff Darren Weekly will be there,
the Canine Unit, I understand it will be there, and
a ton of other great speakers from partner organizations. From
the organization putting this on is Pro Police Rally Colorado,
Ron McLaughlin doing great work for now ten years in
Douglas County with this.
Speaker 4 (20:51):
So doug Coe Fairground Sunday. What time does it start again?
Speaker 5 (20:54):
Three o'clock and be there at three so you can
see us play right at the start. And we've got
a great band we have. Steve is my guitarist. He
is in law enforcement officer himself. Nice just joined the
band so we're glad to be back out there now
with him, Mike on the drums and Ken on the bass,
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plus yours.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
Truly a Jimmy Sangenberg.
Speaker 5 (21:18):
You're like for those who can't recognize the voice but
might recognize the name of all these all the time.
Speaker 4 (21:23):
He's my number one go to for fill and hosts
whenever I'm out, and I always appreciate you doing that, Jimmy.
And now brother, I don't have to hound you about
win's your band going to be performed?
Speaker 5 (21:31):
Tell me, tell me, tell me here it is here
it finally will you will have to hound me forget
where we're So if anybody is out there who has
a venue, we are now since we're getting going, we
are now looking out for gigs. So Jimmy Junior Music
at gmail dot com, Jimmy Junior Music at gmail dot com,
feel free to reach out open invitation if you've got
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an event, or you've got a venue yourself that you
own or manage or what have you that has live
music you know ready to play.
Speaker 4 (22:00):
Right off the top of my head, Daniel Jorinsky, you
should talk to her. Absolutely. She runs a bar and
I anticipate and not just one either. I think there
are several that would have ability to host for a
live music especially in the type of band you have.
It's not like you have big pyrotechnics like ac DC
or anything like that. But you know, yeah, if you
have a venue like He's a bot mitzvah, any kind
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of uh celebration, birthday party or a bar restaurant that
features music. In Touch with Jimmy.
Speaker 5 (22:34):
Miss You from the Rolling Stones is one of the
tunes that we will be covering. That's it on Sunday,
as well as this is to Last Keep Going?
Speaker 1 (22:41):
You want that?
Speaker 5 (22:56):
And that sounds absolutely phenomenal. She will say that one.
And his guitar work is phenomenal. All right, this is
another two. This is the Ozark Mountain Daredevils have their
two if you want to get to Heaven And the
next line is you got to raise a little hell.
Speaker 4 (23:11):
Yes you do.
Speaker 5 (23:13):
Oh now I've got the Rolling Stones, so I got
in there. And then you can riff off of that
by the way, Oh yeah.
Speaker 4 (23:26):
You can that songs that you're older than I am.
If you want to get to Heaven by the Ozark
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Mountain Daredevils, we'll come back with that song. The original
version for our final seat. But before we go, Jimmy,
I want to get into the op ed that you
wrote for the Gazette. He's also an investigative reporter for them,
doing great work. I might add everything that's going on
in our school system statewide, whether it's Cheffco Schools or
in this case, Denver Public Schools. Tell us a little
bit more about that and what you're calling for.
Speaker 5 (24:09):
It's time for Denver Schools Superintendent Alex Morero to go,
doctor Alex Morrero. Doctor Alex Morero, you have to always.
Speaker 4 (24:18):
Include this field of medicine. Is it like Jill Biden? Yes?
Speaker 5 (24:21):
In fact, I believe it is a doctorate of education,
just like okay, doctor Jill Biden.
Speaker 4 (24:27):
If somebody has a heart attack on a plane, can
doctor Morrero do something about it?
Speaker 5 (24:30):
Unfortunately no, I would not rely But then again, I
wouldn't rely on doctor.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
Morrero to provide a quality.
Speaker 5 (24:36):
Education for kids, or keep them safe in schools, or
to lead the district for a variety of reasons. I mean,
the dismal state of affairs in Denver Public Schools as
far as academics is absolutely astonishing.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
Just a couple of stats I'll throw at you just
forty point.
Speaker 5 (24:53):
Seven percent, just over forty percent of DPS students in
grades three through eight meta exceeding elish expectations on last
year seamass tests abysmal thirty one point two percent proficient
in math. Then you look at the marginalized students, which,
of course the left would say, hey, we need to
focus on these kids and to make sure they get
an equitable education. Twenty four and a half percent of
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black students in twenty four point four percent of Hispanic
students hit English target.
Speaker 4 (25:21):
Wait a minute, jimmy, are you telling me that the
federal funding provided through the Department of Education is not
translating into results at the local level here.
Speaker 5 (25:29):
Not only that, but the quality of service of doctor
Alex Morero is not providing any sort of results. I mean,
kids are graduating with dismal statuses as far as educational quality,
and I ask why or what good is a diploma
if you're not prepared to go out into the real world,
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go on to college, or go.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
Get a job or what have you.
Speaker 5 (25:55):
And then there's all sorts of school safety failures that
continue in DPS. If you were remember twenty twenty three
in March when we had the shooting at East High
School of two deans by a student who later took
his life. There has not been an investigation internally into
that shooting.
Speaker 4 (26:09):
And you know what that followed was the very highly
heralded Tay Anderson campaigning against school resource officers being on
campus because obviously, Jimmy, they needed fewer of them.
Speaker 5 (26:20):
My good buddy Tang Anderson managed to get rid of
them in twenty twenty, and then a few years later
they come back because well, you had chaos. But let's
know this, there's something called the discipline matrix which provides
guidelines for the schools as to how to.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
Address a lot of disciplinary issues.
Speaker 5 (26:37):
And they are still failing on that discipline matrix to
address violent students, students who may have been charged with
a crime like even attempted to murder. And if you
don't address that in your guidance for schools, what are
you doing there in terms of keeping kids safe to
make sure they can even have a viable learning environment.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
And then there's a lot of gations and stories about.
Speaker 5 (27:01):
Mistreatments of staff, all kinds of transparency issues. I break
it down in today's Denver Gazette column because there's so
much there. But the bottom line is that this superintendent
needs to go. But his contract is up for renewal
and in next year it'll be automatically.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
Renewed for a year about next year because they.
Speaker 5 (27:20):
Have an automatic renewal set into his contract.
Speaker 4 (27:23):
Jimmy Segerberger our guest. You can read this in the
Denver Gazette, as he mentioned calling on doctor Alex Morero
to resign as superintendent of Denver Public Schools. But Jimmy,
it's one thing. If you say it, if I say that,
people on the outside say it. This has got to
really catch fire with the parents, in my opinion, of
students that are in Denver Public schools. Do you see
(27:43):
any momentum along those lines.
Speaker 5 (27:45):
Yeah, it will see how much it really works out.
Two years ago we had three school board positions flip.
Although those three members have not really I think it's
even questionable how much effort they've really tried to make
serious change. But it's really hard when you don't have
a majority on the board. There are four seats that
(28:06):
are up. There is an organization called Resigned DPS that
really did a lot of work in twenty twenty three
to make school board changes, they will be out there
motivating voters to change the district and the direction of
the district. And there's also the parent Safety Advocacy group.
I think our parents student advocacy group, but it's all
(28:26):
about safety for schools, a pea SAG they're called, and
they're also surely going to be motivated. So if we
can keep that going as far as the parents in
the district, if they keep it going, then I do
think there's potential for more change in the district. But
the issue number one needs to be this superintendent. Because
they were going to go earlier this month Ryan into
(28:48):
an executive session, but just before that executive session to
talk about Marero's contract, there was so much public outrage
in the public comment that they canceled the session and
then they were expected to vote on a contract extension
on April seventeenth.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
Scrub that.
Speaker 5 (29:03):
But I think they're waiting for the outrage to blow
over and then they'll come back to it because for
some reason, at least a majority of this board seems
doggedly intent on keeping MORERA and I just don't get it.
Speaker 4 (29:16):
Follow him on X that's saying center, that's SCNNG center,
CeON Teer and Jimmy one more time on Sunday where
people can find.
Speaker 5 (29:25):
You at the Douglas County fair Grounds when you get
their turn left.
Speaker 4 (29:29):
Because we're not outside, we don't turn left a lot
on the show.
Speaker 5 (29:32):
I know. That's why I have to clarify and make
sure folks know this is an example, an instance where
you could turn left because it's going to be outdoors
at the Little Amphitheater area three to six pm with
the Jimmy Junior Blues Band performing as we celebrate recognize
our law enforcement. We need so much support right now.
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but it will be on Sunday, and a few more
details about that as we got some texts here, Jimmy,
(31:56):
can you hear me over there? Good thing?
Speaker 5 (31:58):
I'm here in studio talking to Wane. Log is ain't
gonna fill in for Dan's got.
Speaker 4 (32:02):
A lot of transitions happening here. This one asks says,
please ask Jimmy if there will be fun stuff there
on Sunday for the kiddos.
Speaker 5 (32:11):
Your answer, I mean when the canine unit's coming. I mean, yeah,
that's more fun than that.
Speaker 4 (32:16):
Now, wait a minute. On the canine unit, is it
like at the airport with the TSA dogs? Says do
not pet? Are you not supposed to pet the canine unit?
Speaker 1 (32:23):
Honestly, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (32:24):
Okay, that's a question.
Speaker 5 (32:26):
I will say there's a park there too, like so
there's a playground area as I recall as well.
Speaker 4 (32:31):
That a great tunage, and whether it be like food
trucks and stuff or what's going on?
Speaker 1 (32:34):
Three food trucks?
Speaker 5 (32:35):
Okay, as I understand its, I'll talk about the kiddos.
Speaker 4 (32:39):
There will be gelatto.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
I think there's a gelato truck there will be.
Speaker 4 (32:43):
Gelato should be the next title of your album, My next.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
The blues tune, there will be. It will be gelato.
Speaker 4 (32:53):
I ask Sheriff Reames of his canine unit if there
do not pet I think he would get an answer
to you A real I know, but I think some
of them are you want to keep the dogs on task,
And I get it, they're doing a job. Yes, but
you know service animals. Do you want to pet them?
They want you to pet them, so we have to
figure that one out. But it's still for the kids. Yes,
they could see the canine.
Speaker 5 (33:13):
So it is a family friendly event park to play on.
I think the music will be danceable for children too. Yeah,
that's the point. You don't use profanity in your songs, right, No, thanks, Jim.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
We're not going to drop the F bombs. No worries
about that. Even though the FCC won't be breathing down
my back.
Speaker 4 (33:31):
I'm still cognizant her right this text from Patty, She's
got a wine icon in it, so I like that already. Again,
too many fools, all worthy of the title. But she'll
have to go. Senator Warren again proven the only thing
she should be responsible for is grabbing a beer for
her husband. Oh, and maybe a couple bottles of wine
for Nancy Pelosi and former VP Harris Patty. Ask and
you shall receive. She is our Friday Fool the Week.
(33:54):
Senator Elizabeth Warren POC.
Speaker 6 (33:56):
Honest, do you regret saying that President Biden had a
mental He had a sharpness to him. He said that
up until July of last year.
Speaker 10 (34:05):
I said what I believed to be true?
Speaker 1 (34:07):
And do you think he was as sharp as you?
Speaker 10 (34:13):
I said I had not seen decline, and I hadn't.
Speaker 4 (34:19):
At that point.
Speaker 6 (34:20):
You did not see any decline from twenty twenty four
Joe Biden to twenty twenty one Joe Biden.
Speaker 10 (34:25):
Oh, when I said that, you know, the thing is heap.
Look he was sharp, he was on his feet. I
saw live event. I had meetings with him a.
Speaker 3 (34:39):
Couple of times.
Speaker 6 (34:40):
Sat on his feet. Is not praise he can speak
in sentences. Is not praise.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
Fair enough, fair enough, fair enough?
Speaker 4 (34:51):
On his say, it was not praise. Sheriff Steve Reams
was having a hard time with that voice. He wasn't.
He was trying to figure that out. Those Sam Fragoso,
I can't tell you any more than that. Who the
guy is, what he does. Does he live in his
mom's basement? Is he between two ferns like Zach Galfanakis.
That's what that looked like. You only heard the audio
in those silences. Yes, they were awkward, but the visuals
are even worse. She knew she was caught on a
(35:14):
friendly podcast and still couldn't find her way out of it.
Congratulations Pocahontas, a Friday Fool of the Week.
I'm deputy server.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
How are you good? That's all I need to basically hear.
I'm just coming by to make sure you're good, you
know what I mean. I'm not going to try to
insert myself into something that's already sort of in processed
or whatever you're doing.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
You know.
Speaker 4 (00:16):
I guess by legal.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Standard, you're technically a minor as a seventeen year old.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
But I just wanted to make sure you're good.
Speaker 5 (00:26):
Yeah, you're good.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
Yeah, okay, very good.
Speaker 4 (00:29):
That's all I need for now.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
And I appreciate you guys, and I appreciate your willingness to.
Speaker 4 (00:36):
I don't know, I guess help me check boxes right here.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Probably going to have to speak with them, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 6 (00:57):
Alright.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
So I'm deputy server there, and you folks are I'm mom.
Speaker 7 (01:03):
Okay, all right, okay, So I basically went and did
a welfare check and I don't see signs of distress there.
Speaker 8 (01:16):
Doesn't need to be distressed. She needs to come home.
She's harbored by these folks. I does not have my
permission to be here. She is a minor. I don't
care if she's a day away from eighteen. A minor
is a minor and she's not had my permission.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
To be here, right, But again, it doesn't rise to
the level of law enforcement involvement. She's not in distress
right now.
Speaker 8 (01:38):
I'm sorry you're telling me that you're not going to.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Physically rip her out of that home.
Speaker 5 (01:44):
Yeah, even if there was an agreement between CPS and
her and the mother.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
That that those are civil agreements and you're gonna have
to deal with those on a civil level.
Speaker 9 (01:53):
So even though she is a minor, she has no
permission to be here, she's technically a runaway at this point.
They're harboring her.
Speaker 8 (02:05):
And that's okay.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
I mean, we heard you.
Speaker 9 (02:10):
Guys laugh up there, so there's obviously something that was
fun Wasn't I kidnapping when you were supposed to give
a child back?
Speaker 1 (02:16):
No, seriously, So what.
Speaker 9 (02:19):
Was funny is that? I'd like to know what you
guys were laughing at them? So what was funny?
Speaker 1 (02:26):
I don't believe that's relevant.
Speaker 9 (02:28):
Why do when you're talking about a child.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
This is a seventeen year old, he's still a minor.
Minor and child are different, and distress was not seen.
I was told distress.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
Okay, you guys have a civil suit.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Tail I'm doing my job? Are you yep?
Speaker 7 (02:53):
Good?
Speaker 3 (02:54):
So bottom line is I can't.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Can I go up there? And no?
Speaker 2 (02:59):
No, In fact, they specifically said that you're not allowed
on their property.
Speaker 9 (03:05):
Is people have literally taken this child?
Speaker 4 (03:08):
They have? I don't know.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
See I get other sides that say that the child's
been thrown out of the house.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
No, that's wrong, that's wrong.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Okay, but do you see where I'm standing? What am
I supposed to do? I can't make the determination.
Speaker 4 (03:22):
Apparently he can't, and he claims he's just doing his job.
As you hear that, maybe for a second time, maybe
for a first time, do you feel that Laplatta County
Deputy Brayton Thurber was doing his job, doing it well,
doing it professionally, doing it appropriately. I do not that
bodycam footage came out only because of CORA requests and
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pressuring that to come out into the public sphere, because
obviously it's very embarrassing for the Laplata Sheriff's office. This
was horribly mishandled, in my view, the laughing, not taking
it seriously. Okay, I'm just here. I'm not here and
make any jell you good, nor ask yourself this question
(04:06):
would Deputy Therber have handled this the same way. If
this was a little girl with two adult men. Would
she's her saying I'm fine, I'm good, leave me alone
seventeen Would that have been okay? I have a feeling
it would not have been a deputy third. But the
fact that it was a biological female minor, and he's
(04:29):
also right, should he should be investigated, at the very minimum, reprimanded,
probably fired on this audio. This is so damning and
damaging to their brand and their credibility, to the integrity
of that department. He's a clown. He handled this like
a clown, a very serious situation. It really gets my
(04:51):
dander up. It certainly does, because again I'll point out,
this would have been handled very differently if the genders
were changed. We have a non binary, non conforming, biologically
female minors whatever, a girl claiming to be a boy,
whose identity is being affirmed in a household that contains
(05:15):
a lesbian woman and a transgender person. He probably just ah,
it's just them doing their thing. No, absolutely not. This
happened in duringo of course, Laplata County and joining us
now for her take on it. I believe the first
time that She's appeared on radio to do an interview
(05:37):
about this, at least with me, Cindy Stein. She is
the mother you heard in the car there, and Cindy,
I just want to ask you, first out of the gate,
thank you for joining me. But secondly, upon hearing that again,
what your thoughts are, what's going through your mind when
you hear that?
Speaker 3 (05:53):
Hi, Ryan, thank you so much for having me. When
I listen see that again, it just it breaks my
heart from my daughter, ultimately, she's the one who loses.
And the lack of respect and the lack of response
from law enforcement, from the mental health facilities here, from
CPS even has been appalling at times. I just have
(06:16):
no words.
Speaker 4 (06:17):
Do you agrieve my assessment that if your daughter was
in the company of two heterosexual men in a household
like that, it would have handled a whole hell of
a lot differently.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
Absolutely, And that's been my point of view from the
get go. Has this been a male teacher that was
harboring her, he'd be in jail by now.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
I believe that, and I agree with that. Let's go
to a phone call that you had. This was also
captured on audio in which you are calling the household
looking for your child?
Speaker 10 (06:52):
Hi?
Speaker 3 (06:52):
Is this Joanne Y?
Speaker 10 (06:55):
Hi?
Speaker 8 (06:55):
This is Cindy Stein.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
I am Onyx's mom.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
I am here to pick her.
Speaker 10 (07:00):
Up, and I'm.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
Here to pick her up.
Speaker 8 (07:03):
She does not have my permission to be at your house,
so I would like you to help her get packed
and I encourage her to leave your house willingly.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
Thank you. Yes, I'm going to give on a floor
year call hell.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
I'll tell you what.
Speaker 8 (07:33):
We'll go ahead and call the sheriff and you call
your lawyer.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
Thank you, all right, Cindy, what can you tell us
about the household where your daughter was holding up the
people in there?
Speaker 10 (07:48):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (07:49):
Well, Joanne was my daughter's teacher, so I didn't actually
meet her until my child ran away this past November.
Didn't ever really hear anything about her, didn't know much
about Keaven or Vivian, however you want to refer to
that persons. I didn't know much. And the only thing
(08:15):
I did know is that she's constantly been on the
phone with an attorney to block me, b lock my
printal rights, and to stop me from being my daughter's parent.
Speaker 4 (08:27):
Joanne Smotherman is the teacher in question, and this blurring
of the lines is what really gets me, Cindy, And
as you're probably well aware by now, this is not
an isolated incident in the state of Colorado. We saw
this happen in a grooming case at Columbine High School
with a social studies teacher who was a woman grooming
a fifteen year old sophomore girl in what became a
(08:47):
lesbian relationship. They then severed ties with the parents, claimed
the girl was homeless, filed a paperwork falsely, I might add,
under that pretense allowed her to stay in with ated to
a halfway house with a third party teacher until the
girl turned eighteen, moved to California and now lives with
(09:07):
the teacher who groomed her. Are you familiar with that case?
Speaker 3 (09:11):
I have heard about it. Yeah, it sounds early similar
to mine. Joanne's Motherman has tried to emancipate my daughter
since again back in November of twenty twenty four. She
has done everything in her power to separate my daughter
from me and the family and eliminate me completely from
(09:33):
the picture.
Speaker 4 (09:35):
Cindy Stein, our guest. She's the mother of the identified
onyx who was identifying as male. Cindy, if you don't mind,
you know there's this bill thirteen twelve about dead naming,
But what did you name your daughter?
Speaker 3 (09:47):
Her legal name is Jocelyn, Jocelyn Okay, beautiful girl.
Speaker 4 (09:51):
I believe that wholeheartedly. When did you notice that something
was a miss, something was off, something was askew. Maybe
she was having a problem. How far back does that go?
Speaker 3 (10:03):
Becomes back to even when she was sixteen, so she
just turned eighteen. I was going through a intense cancer
battle for my life. I believe that's when Joanne inserted
herself into our lives. By the time Jocelyn was seventeen,
she was in the beginning of her junior year. She
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was pulling away from the family. She stopped participating in dinners,
family movie nights, family activities. She was constantly in her
room with the door closed. Wasn't too far after that
that she started dressing in men's clothes, and she cut
her hair and shaved her head, was using them's body
(10:47):
washed and deodorant, and she even adopted really bad table manner.
It was about that time and then she finally came
out and told me, she said, I don't think I'm
a boy. I am a boy. And I think by
that time she'd already had the influence of Joanne Smotherman
(11:07):
for at least a year.
Speaker 4 (11:09):
You might not know the answer to this, Sindy, but
do you know why or what prompted Joanne Smotherman to
insert herself into your daughter's life? Did she since there
was a vulnerability. Do you have any sense of why
that happened?
Speaker 3 (11:24):
Absolutely, it's my feeling that when I was going through
the cancer treatment, it was a very vulnerable time for
my daughter. She's watching me fight for my life. And
again when she turned seventeen, we finally did get an
autism diagnosis to ADHD. She won't tell me what it is,
(11:47):
but I think it's schizophrenia on top of all of
that in anxiety and depression. So she's a very vulnerable,
at risk child who was always awkward in pool, had
a hard time making friends. I was bullied throughout most
of her school career, and I've seen Joanne since that.
She was just awkward and stepped in and took advantage
(12:10):
of my child.
Speaker 4 (12:12):
Well, there have been studies that a large number of
youth that are claiming to have gender dys for you
are on the spectrum, the autism spectrum in some way
shape maniform Cindy Stein joining us, and I think it's
additionally unconscionable that Cindy, as a recovering cancer patient, is
being treated in this manner by this couple law enforcement,
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as you heard, Child Protective Services, etc. I mean, Cindy,
you've been hitting brickwall after brick wall after brick wall.
Can you tell us exactly? Because what I've seen and
I've tried to kind of do some apual research here
as I call it, from the other side, and there
are sites, Reddit, threads whatever dedicated to Onyx and claiming
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that you're the villain here, that you dead name, or
that you would not acknowledge her gender, or that you
kicked her out of the house, and that therefore or
at that point, all bets were off and Onyx could
do whatever Onyx wanted. How do you respond to that?
Speaker 3 (13:07):
First of all, I never kicked her out of the house.
We had an agreement with CPS that when things got
heated or overwhelming inside my house, she had two places
that she could go. Joan some other men's house was
never one of them, so I gave her permission to
go to a different location, which was supposed to be
one of those two houses. So ONYX never had the
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right or the ability, in my opinion, to go do
whatever she wanted. And I stand by not gender affirming
my child. I believe there are other issues, there are
other mental illnesses that need to be dealt with. Rather
than say yes, I think you're a boy.
Speaker 4 (13:49):
I disagree with it, Cindy Stein, our guest. And you're
probably well aware by now of what this house built
twenty five thirteen twelve would do to a parent like you, Cindy,
if you refuse to affirm the gender, that could be
taking into account into taking your child away from you,
which was already done in hindsight. Now and now your
daughter has turned eighteen, but wasn't eighteen at the time.
And this is where I'm especially furious with this deputy
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clown that we're talking about Breton Thurber saying there's a
difference between her minor and their child. There's not. You're
either a minor or you're not. You're either under the
purview of your parent or you were not. She had
not been emancipated. Despite Joanne Smotherman's efforts to fight you
on this, did you ever get an explanation on that?
I'd like to know according to Deputy Thurber, the authority
(14:32):
on all things where the line is dividing child from minor.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
I was never given an explanation. I've never been able
to find the answer. I don't even know what law
they were hiding behind and saying they wouldn't get involved.
Speaker 4 (14:48):
Cindy, the very latest on where this all stands now
your relationship with your daughter who is experiencing the gender dysphoria.
I think you're on the right track saying that there
are other issues at play here that need to be treated,
and if they're not, they are simply treating a symptom
and not the cause of all of this. What can
you tell us?
Speaker 3 (15:09):
I agree my daughter true Joan Smotherman had an attorney
hired and they basically told me to see the all
communication with my kiddo. So rather than be slapped with
the restraining order, I've had to honor that. So I
don't have a relationship with my child anymore, transgender or not.
(15:33):
That was taken away from me as well.
Speaker 4 (15:35):
Sending you my heart breaks for you know our listeners
as well especially. I hope your health is on the
right track with a cancer diagnosis and treatment. But what
you might offer to a parent out there who is
going through this very same thing. We know that there
are others. What you've learned from this experience, if there's
anything upon hindsight and reflection warning signs that you now know,
(15:57):
is there advice that you could give to a parent
who's struggle with this.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
Yeah, definitely. I would say listen to your parents' spidey sense.
If you feel like there's something going on with your child,
there probably is. One of the biggest symptoms for me
was the withdrawal, and my child just got very quiet
and stop participating in the family. So I would say
(16:24):
to other parents who are facing this, talk to your
child and find out where the leak is and turn
the facet off to stop all communications. If you have
to have a strong backbone and you take the phones,
and you take the computers, and you stop all communication
(16:47):
with whatever influence is trying to get in your child's life.
And it's okay to be the bad parent and to
stand up for your kids, and it's okay for them
to hate you for a little bit, because I think
you may just be saving your life.
Speaker 4 (17:01):
Cindy so well said, and as I stated, you are
always welcome on this show. I know there's a lot
of time between now and wherever this ends up, and
hopefully you will reconcile with your daughter at some point.
But like you said, she's an adult now. You have
to respect that, I guess. But the fact that it
got here is so heartbreaking. We thank you so much
for taking the time to share your story with us today.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
Yeah, thank you so much for having me. I really
appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (17:25):
Cindy Stein right there and you can only imagine what
she has gone through, this nightmare that she has endured.
But you have some texts along those lines. If you'd
like to offer your response and support for Cindy, I
can pass that along as well. Five seven seven three
nine will continue with this story and it's coverage into
next week and joining me next Jimmy Sangeberger from The
Gazette on his latest op ed, shade.
Speaker 5 (18:06):
Of business going on here, but seeing shadows everywhere?
Speaker 1 (18:16):
Shake the business going on here?
Speaker 4 (18:19):
Seeing shadows everywhere? I mean, what are you.
Speaker 5 (18:29):
Supposed to do when you feel about a safe business?
Speaker 4 (18:43):
People speak and plotting.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
They've old God that mighty crooked smile.
Speaker 4 (18:56):
That should be Junior Blues Band. That's right, that recording
from Jimmy himself. You can hear him singing and playing
the harmonica and all the tunes and you can see
them on Sunday.
Speaker 5 (19:08):
Jimmy, I am excited to be back out there with
the Jimmy Junior Blues Band.
Speaker 4 (19:14):
It is going to be a blast. I gotta ask
you right now because this is a little technicality people
that listen to the podcast might realize. So we hold
at iHeart the over the air licensing copyright rights to
lots of commercial license music when we do the radio show.
But when we upload the podcast, that gets a little trick.
I hate it, and it does with the digital we
(19:37):
don't have that footprint. We don't have those rights. So
I have to cut out all the awesome songs that
I use on this show, on Dan's show, from the podcast.
I've got the artist right here. I'm asking you for
permission to use that song on my podcast.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
Ryan, you have permission to use this song. In fact,
you are encouraged to use this song and I won't
even charge you for it.
Speaker 4 (19:56):
I love that, no royalties. I'll tell you what though,
I'm going to be their son. So tell the people
about Sunday, what's going on and we're going to fall.
Speaker 5 (20:03):
The tenth annual Douglas County Law Enforcement Appreciation Day is
happening at the Douglas County Fairgrounds in Castle Rock from
three until six, and my band, the Jimmy Junior Blues Band,
will be headlining. We're going to start off and then
after doing a few tunes, some of the speakers and
the intros and my sister Caitlin's going to sing the
(20:25):
national anthem and join us for a long train run
in the Doobie Brothers classic.
Speaker 4 (20:31):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
That'll be an absolute blast.
Speaker 5 (20:33):
And we've got to know Sheriff Darren Weekly will be there,
the Canine Unit, I understand it will be there, and
a ton of other great speakers from partner organizations. From
the organization putting this on is Pro Police Rally Colorado,
Ron McLaughlin doing great work for now ten years in
Douglas County with this.
Speaker 4 (20:51):
So doug Coe Fairground Sunday. What time does it start again?
Speaker 5 (20:54):
Three o'clock and be there at three so you can
see us play right at the start. And we've got
a great band we have. Steve is my guitarist. He
is in law enforcement officer himself. Nice just joined the
band so we're glad to be back out there now
with him, Mike on the drums and Ken on the bass,
(21:16):
plus yours.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
Truly a Jimmy Sangenberg.
Speaker 5 (21:18):
You're like for those who can't recognize the voice but
might recognize the name of all these all the time.
Speaker 4 (21:23):
He's my number one go to for fill and hosts
whenever I'm out, and I always appreciate you doing that, Jimmy.
And now brother, I don't have to hound you about
win's your band going to be performed?
Speaker 5 (21:31):
Tell me, tell me, tell me here it is here
it finally will you will have to hound me forget
where we're So if anybody is out there who has
a venue, we are now since we're getting going, we
are now looking out for gigs. So Jimmy Junior Music
at gmail dot com, Jimmy Junior Music at gmail dot com,
feel free to reach out open invitation if you've got
(21:52):
an event, or you've got a venue yourself that you
own or manage or what have you that has live
music you know ready to play.
Speaker 4 (22:00):
Right off the top of my head, Daniel Jorinsky, you
should talk to her. Absolutely. She runs a bar and
I anticipate and not just one either. I think there
are several that would have ability to host for a
live music especially in the type of band you have.
It's not like you have big pyrotechnics like ac DC
or anything like that. But you know, yeah, if you
have a venue like He's a bot mitzvah, any kind
(22:20):
of uh celebration, birthday party or a bar restaurant that
features music. In Touch with Jimmy.
Speaker 5 (22:34):
Miss You from the Rolling Stones is one of the
tunes that we will be covering. That's it on Sunday,
as well as this is to Last Keep Going?
Speaker 1 (22:41):
You want that?
Speaker 5 (22:56):
And that sounds absolutely phenomenal. She will say that one.
And his guitar work is phenomenal. All right, this is
another two. This is the Ozark Mountain Daredevils have their
two if you want to get to Heaven And the
next line is you got to raise a little hell.
Speaker 4 (23:11):
Yes you do.
Speaker 5 (23:13):
Oh now I've got the Rolling Stones, so I got
in there. And then you can riff off of that
by the way, Oh yeah.
Speaker 4 (23:26):
You can that songs that you're older than I am.
If you want to get to Heaven by the Ozark
(23:47):
Mountain Daredevils, we'll come back with that song. The original
version for our final seat. But before we go, Jimmy,
I want to get into the op ed that you
wrote for the Gazette. He's also an investigative reporter for them,
doing great work. I might add everything that's going on
in our school system statewide, whether it's Cheffco Schools or
in this case, Denver Public Schools. Tell us a little
bit more about that and what you're calling for.
Speaker 5 (24:09):
It's time for Denver Schools Superintendent Alex Morero to go,
doctor Alex Morrero. Doctor Alex Morero, you have to always.
Speaker 4 (24:18):
Include this field of medicine. Is it like Jill Biden? Yes?
Speaker 5 (24:21):
In fact, I believe it is a doctorate of education,
just like okay, doctor Jill Biden.
Speaker 4 (24:27):
If somebody has a heart attack on a plane, can
doctor Morrero do something about it?
Speaker 5 (24:30):
Unfortunately no, I would not rely But then again, I
wouldn't rely on doctor.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
Morrero to provide a quality.
Speaker 5 (24:36):
Education for kids, or keep them safe in schools, or
to lead the district for a variety of reasons. I mean,
the dismal state of affairs in Denver Public Schools as
far as academics is absolutely astonishing.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
Just a couple of stats I'll throw at you just
forty point.
Speaker 5 (24:53):
Seven percent, just over forty percent of DPS students in
grades three through eight meta exceeding elish expectations on last
year seamass tests abysmal thirty one point two percent proficient
in math. Then you look at the marginalized students, which,
of course the left would say, hey, we need to
focus on these kids and to make sure they get
an equitable education. Twenty four and a half percent of
(25:17):
black students in twenty four point four percent of Hispanic
students hit English target.
Speaker 4 (25:21):
Wait a minute, jimmy, are you telling me that the
federal funding provided through the Department of Education is not
translating into results at the local level here.
Speaker 5 (25:29):
Not only that, but the quality of service of doctor
Alex Morero is not providing any sort of results. I mean,
kids are graduating with dismal statuses as far as educational quality,
and I ask why or what good is a diploma
if you're not prepared to go out into the real world,
(25:52):
go on to college, or go.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
Get a job or what have you.
Speaker 5 (25:55):
And then there's all sorts of school safety failures that
continue in DPS. If you were remember twenty twenty three
in March when we had the shooting at East High
School of two deans by a student who later took
his life. There has not been an investigation internally into
that shooting.
Speaker 4 (26:09):
And you know what that followed was the very highly
heralded Tay Anderson campaigning against school resource officers being on
campus because obviously, Jimmy, they needed fewer of them.
Speaker 5 (26:20):
My good buddy Tang Anderson managed to get rid of
them in twenty twenty, and then a few years later
they come back because well, you had chaos. But let's
know this, there's something called the discipline matrix which provides
guidelines for the schools as to how to.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
Address a lot of disciplinary issues.
Speaker 5 (26:37):
And they are still failing on that discipline matrix to
address violent students, students who may have been charged with
a crime like even attempted to murder. And if you
don't address that in your guidance for schools, what are
you doing there in terms of keeping kids safe to
make sure they can even have a viable learning environment.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
And then there's a lot of gations and stories about.
Speaker 5 (27:01):
Mistreatments of staff, all kinds of transparency issues. I break
it down in today's Denver Gazette column because there's so
much there. But the bottom line is that this superintendent
needs to go. But his contract is up for renewal
and in next year it'll be automatically.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
Renewed for a year about next year because they.
Speaker 5 (27:20):
Have an automatic renewal set into his contract.
Speaker 4 (27:23):
Jimmy Segerberger our guest. You can read this in the
Denver Gazette, as he mentioned calling on doctor Alex Morero
to resign as superintendent of Denver Public Schools. But Jimmy,
it's one thing. If you say it, if I say that,
people on the outside say it. This has got to
really catch fire with the parents, in my opinion, of
students that are in Denver Public schools. Do you see
(27:43):
any momentum along those lines.
Speaker 5 (27:45):
Yeah, it will see how much it really works out.
Two years ago we had three school board positions flip.
Although those three members have not really I think it's
even questionable how much effort they've really tried to make
serious change. But it's really hard when you don't have
a majority on the board. There are four seats that
(28:06):
are up. There is an organization called Resigned DPS that
really did a lot of work in twenty twenty three
to make school board changes, they will be out there
motivating voters to change the district and the direction of
the district. And there's also the parent Safety Advocacy group.
I think our parents student advocacy group, but it's all
(28:26):
about safety for schools, a pea SAG they're called, and
they're also surely going to be motivated. So if we
can keep that going as far as the parents in
the district, if they keep it going, then I do
think there's potential for more change in the district. But
the issue number one needs to be this superintendent. Because
they were going to go earlier this month Ryan into
(28:48):
an executive session, but just before that executive session to
talk about Marero's contract, there was so much public outrage
in the public comment that they canceled the session and
then they were expected to vote on a contract extension
on April seventeenth.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
Scrub that.
Speaker 5 (29:03):
But I think they're waiting for the outrage to blow
over and then they'll come back to it because for
some reason, at least a majority of this board seems
doggedly intent on keeping MORERA and I just don't get it.
Speaker 4 (29:16):
Follow him on X that's saying center, that's SCNNG center,
CeON Teer and Jimmy one more time on Sunday where
people can find.
Speaker 5 (29:25):
You at the Douglas County fair Grounds when you get
their turn left.
Speaker 4 (29:29):
Because we're not outside, we don't turn left a lot
on the show.
Speaker 5 (29:32):
I know. That's why I have to clarify and make
sure folks know this is an example, an instance where
you could turn left because it's going to be outdoors
at the Little Amphitheater area three to six pm with
the Jimmy Junior Blues Band performing as we celebrate recognize
our law enforcement. We need so much support right now.
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but it will be on Sunday, and a few more
details about that as we got some texts here, Jimmy,
(31:56):
can you hear me over there? Good thing?
Speaker 5 (31:58):
I'm here in studio talking to Wane. Log is ain't
gonna fill in for Dan's got.
Speaker 4 (32:02):
A lot of transitions happening here. This one asks says,
please ask Jimmy if there will be fun stuff there
on Sunday for the kiddos.
Speaker 5 (32:11):
Your answer, I mean when the canine unit's coming. I mean, yeah,
that's more fun than that.
Speaker 4 (32:16):
Now, wait a minute. On the canine unit, is it
like at the airport with the TSA dogs? Says do
not pet? Are you not supposed to pet the canine unit?
Speaker 1 (32:23):
Honestly, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (32:24):
Okay, that's a question.
Speaker 5 (32:26):
I will say there's a park there too, like so
there's a playground area as I recall as well.
Speaker 4 (32:31):
That a great tunage, and whether it be like food
trucks and stuff or what's going on?
Speaker 1 (32:34):
Three food trucks?
Speaker 5 (32:35):
Okay, as I understand its, I'll talk about the kiddos.
Speaker 4 (32:39):
There will be gelatto.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
I think there's a gelato truck there will be.
Speaker 4 (32:43):
Gelato should be the next title of your album, My next.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
The blues tune, there will be. It will be gelato.
Speaker 4 (32:53):
I ask Sheriff Reames of his canine unit if there
do not pet I think he would get an answer
to you A real I know, but I think some
of them are you want to keep the dogs on task,
And I get it, they're doing a job. Yes, but
you know service animals. Do you want to pet them?
They want you to pet them, so we have to
figure that one out. But it's still for the kids. Yes,
they could see the canine.
Speaker 5 (33:13):
So it is a family friendly event park to play on.
I think the music will be danceable for children too. Yeah,
that's the point. You don't use profanity in your songs, right, No, thanks, Jim.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
We're not going to drop the F bombs. No worries
about that. Even though the FCC won't be breathing down
my back.
Speaker 4 (33:31):
I'm still cognizant her right this text from Patty, She's
got a wine icon in it, so I like that already. Again,
too many fools, all worthy of the title. But she'll
have to go. Senator Warren again proven the only thing
she should be responsible for is grabbing a beer for
her husband. Oh, and maybe a couple bottles of wine
for Nancy Pelosi and former VP Harris Patty. Ask and
you shall receive. She is our Friday Fool the Week.
(33:54):
Senator Elizabeth Warren POC.
Speaker 6 (33:56):
Honest, do you regret saying that President Biden had a
mental He had a sharpness to him. He said that
up until July of last year.
Speaker 10 (34:05):
I said what I believed to be true?
Speaker 1 (34:07):
And do you think he was as sharp as you?
Speaker 10 (34:13):
I said I had not seen decline, and I hadn't.
Speaker 4 (34:19):
At that point.
Speaker 6 (34:20):
You did not see any decline from twenty twenty four
Joe Biden to twenty twenty one Joe Biden.
Speaker 10 (34:25):
Oh, when I said that, you know, the thing is heap.
Look he was sharp, he was on his feet. I
saw live event. I had meetings with him a.
Speaker 3 (34:39):
Couple of times.
Speaker 6 (34:40):
Sat on his feet. Is not praise he can speak
in sentences. Is not praise.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
Fair enough, fair enough, fair enough?
Speaker 4 (34:51):
On his say, it was not praise. Sheriff Steve Reams
was having a hard time with that voice. He wasn't.
He was trying to figure that out. Those Sam Fragoso,
I can't tell you any more than that. Who the
guy is, what he does. Does he live in his
mom's basement? Is he between two ferns like Zach Galfanakis.
That's what that looked like. You only heard the audio
in those silences. Yes, they were awkward, but the visuals
are even worse. She knew she was caught on a
(35:14):
friendly podcast and still couldn't find her way out of it.
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