April 17, 2025 • 38 mins
Drew Holden, managing editor at American Compass, recently unrolled a thread of incriminating screenshots showing the blatant leftist bias exhibited by publicly funded NPR under the guise of 'journalism.' Rep. Elise Stefanik (R-NY), who may be entering the 2026 race for governor in New York, reposted this thread and described it as a 'must-read.' He joins Ryan with his usual receipts on the matter.
Dustin Gonzalez delivered remarks at a recent JeffCo Public Schools board meeting which went viral and took the nation by storm, as featured in the article written by Breccan Thies for The Federalist.
His child was greenlighted for gender transitioning, without his knowledge or consent, after the child's birth mother and an independently hired therapist decided it was the best course of action.
He joins Ryan, along with Lori Gimelshteyn of Colorado Parent Advocacy Network, to share his story and cautionary tale for other parents.
Dustin Gonzalez delivered remarks at a recent JeffCo Public Schools board meeting which went viral and took the nation by storm, as featured in the article written by Breccan Thies for The Federalist.
His child was greenlighted for gender transitioning, without his knowledge or consent, after the child's birth mother and an independently hired therapist decided it was the best course of action.
He joins Ryan, along with Lori Gimelshteyn of Colorado Parent Advocacy Network, to share his story and cautionary tale for other parents.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
That America is addicted to white supremacy.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
I believe that I tweeted that, and as I've said earlier,
I believe much of my thinking has evolved over the
last half decade.
Speaker 3 (00:10):
It has evolved.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
Why did you tweet that?
Speaker 2 (00:13):
I don't recall the exact context, sir, so I wouldn't
be able to say.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
Okay, do you believe that America believes in black plunder
and white democracy?
Speaker 2 (00:22):
I don't believe that, sir.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
It is reference to a book you were reading at
the time, apparently, the Case for Reparations.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
I don't think I've ever read that book, sir. You
tweeted about it.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
You said you took a day off to fully read
The Case for Reparations. You put that on Twitter in
January of twenty twenty.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
I apologies. I don't recall that I did.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Okay, I've no doubt that your tweet there is correct,
but I don't recall that.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Do you think the white people should pay reparations?
Speaker 3 (00:52):
I have never said that, sir, Yes you did.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
You said it in January of twenty twenty. You tweeted,
yes the North, yes, allibus, Yes, America, Yes, our original
collective sin and paid debt. Yes, reparations, yes, on this day.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
I don't believe that was a reference to fiscal reparations
or what kind.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Of reparations was it a reference to.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
I think it was just a reference to the idea
that we all owe much to the people who came
before us.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
That's a bizarre way to frame what you tweeted.
Speaker 4 (01:19):
Any excuse to replay that all time gem from Representative
Brandon Gill, Republican Texas. Just grilling the CEO of NPR
National Public Radio, Catherine Maher, and, as my grandfather might say,
she was more full of blank than a Christmas goose.
(01:40):
I have no doubt that the tweet in question is
one that I put out, but I don't remember it.
You said you read the book. I don't remember reading
the book. Maybe I lied about that. She should have
said that. She should have said, look, it's just liberal
virtue signaling. I have suburban, college educated, white liberal female guilt.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
And it's ravaging me.
Speaker 4 (02:04):
And I needed to signal, like I was Callisi from
Game of Thrones, that I am a white savior, that
I am down with the struggle, that I support the
concept however, defined of reparations, not financial reparations, which is
the only kind that.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
Anybody ever talks about, just to the sense of the.
Speaker 4 (02:24):
Spirit of reparations, says Catherine Maher, There's a reason why,
and Kelly despises this particular category more than anybody.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
There's a reason why.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
There are certain members of our society that are referred
to as awfuls affluent white female liberals. And I hate
to pick on people, but come on, they're the worst.
They're the absolute worst. Look at the polling of how
they vote.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
It's out of line and out a skew. It's just
about everybody else.
Speaker 4 (02:56):
Gen Z is the young people that are in college
right now, they're leaning overwhelming Republican, Black and Hispanic Americans
are going to the right, but not the college educated,
suburban liberal white women.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
And Katherine Maher is the poster child for that.
Speaker 4 (03:14):
Now, why we're on this topic is because our next guest,
I mean, this guy specializes in slam dunks with threads
and not just his clothing because he's a sharp dressed man,
as easy top one said, but he has.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
The receipts and he unrolls these threads.
Speaker 4 (03:30):
And the fact that he was reposted by Representative Aleis
staphonic on this a couple of days ago cemented it
for me. I've got to get Drew Holden on and
you can follow him at Drew Holden three point sixty.
He joins us here on Ryan Shuling Live.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
Drew.
Speaker 5 (03:43):
Welcome, Brian, Thanks so much for having me back on
the program.
Speaker 4 (03:47):
Now when you hear Katherine Maher's testimony, and I have
no doubt that you did when it happened not that
long ago. I mean, shaking your head is not a
strong enough reaction. Is something precipitated this thread from you
about PR but her as the face of the franchise? Basically,
what does that tell you?
Speaker 5 (04:07):
Yeah, you know, Ryan, I think I think what it
tells me, and I think unfortunately npr s reporting often
bears without is that it is an organization run by
political activists who are committed to political activism, right, and
that is a particularly but you tee it up really
well in terms of the it's not just left living,
(04:27):
It's not just that there's a condescension and a just
just a dimming tone that runs throughout NPR, I think,
and she's obviously emblematic of it. She's the leader of
the organization. But I've found myself for years and years
and years as someone who I think loves consecually the
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idea of having the public support some sort of media
to provide on biased information. It's just so alarming and
troubling to me that someone like her would be running
an organization like NPR. I again, unfortunately, I think it's
born out in a lot of their comforts.
Speaker 4 (05:07):
He is the managing editor at American Compass and you
can find his thread at Drew Holden three point sixty
on x one of the most important follows on that
platform in my view, and this is just gold. I mean,
this is like the greatest Hits album one after the other,
with the references to NPR and everything they got wrong
and so markedly wrong, like the lab league theory on
(05:28):
COVID that is the conspiracy, and of course that didn't
happen in the Wuhan lab. But the guy that deserves
credit who really kind of exposed the corruption from within
at NPR's Uri Berliner, and he joined Chris Cuomo. This
is some time ago, and this is a portion of
that conversation with Drew. Comment on the other side, I'm.
Speaker 6 (05:47):
Not surprised by the response that came from management, and
the same managers that I've been making a lot of
these points about, and they're certainly entitled to that perspective.
I will say I've had a lot of support from collegs,
many of them unexpected, who say they agree with me.
Some of them say this confidentially, but I think there's
been a lot of response saying, look, these are things.
Speaker 5 (06:10):
That need to be addressed. We haven't.
Speaker 6 (06:12):
We've been too locked and too frightened, too too timid
to deal with these things. And I think that, uh,
this is this is the right opportunity to bring it
all out in the open.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Now.
Speaker 4 (06:20):
Drew ber Leinnard is no conservative, but what he also
found was there were no conservatives within the whole NPR
framework newsroom, editorial board, not even a token conservative.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
I mean, bring in Drew Holden, but no, not one.
Why not one?
Speaker 5 (06:36):
Yeah, you know, I think it's it's a it's a
continuance of this punishingly insular worldview that the organization has.
And you know, I think you see it obviously from
the toss that have they clipped you played it. It
does always kind of catch my breath a little bit
in my throat when I hear it because it's just
so rapidly political. But I think even worse than than
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having that at the top is having voice even slightly
to the right of that, anywhere within the entity that
that could just put their finger up in a news
meeting and say, hey, you know, maybe we don't want
to talk about the Hunter Biden laptop story the same
way the New York posted, Maybe we don't want to
talk about the Wuhan lad league potential the same way
(07:18):
that Fox News has, but maybe we should at least
entertain these things. Maybe we should at least talk about
these things. But instead the very idea that these things
should be brought up, we're the very idea that we
should even entertain some kind of intellectually, you know, virtuous
conversation on this is completely written off. And so you
(07:38):
end up having organizations like NPR, instead of trying to
do anything that's about fact finding when it doesn't suit
their priors. You have this horrific level of what often
comes off as propaganda that gets pushed to these gets
pushed to their readers and their listeners and as straight
news and with anything but he's true.
Speaker 4 (07:59):
Hold In, the managing editor at American Compass and their
companion magazine, Commonplace. And there's an account on X that
I follow and I find very entertaining that avoids politics
at all costs. That I respect that, but it's called
freezing cold takes and Drew Holden, you could have compiled
a list of those from this threat alone, just on
(08:19):
these headlines, which are incredible.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
Here's just a few of them to give you a taste.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
But you can find the whole thing again on his
X feed at Drew Holden three point sixty NPR Politics
headline from Rachel Treiseman, December two, twenty twenty four. Biden
isn't the first president of Pardner relative. Here's how the
power works. Here's another one. The economy is strong, but
voters aren't feeling it. That's a problem for Biden. Here's
(08:45):
another one. This is really bad from the Hunter Biden
laptop fiasco analysis October seventeenth, twenty twenty.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
Remember that's right before the election.
Speaker 4 (08:53):
Questionable New York Post scoop driven by ex Hannity producer
and Julianni don't believe the laptop's not real. Despite Miranda
Devine's reporting, which was spot on and pitch perfect. That
was blacklisted, downgraded, shadow band all over social media on
what was then Twitter and of course Facebook. But here
(09:14):
I think is the coupdi gras drew And really it's
a case of them being a victim of their own framing.
The title was this Biden defended his mental acuity in
this Evening's press conference that was February eighth, twenty twenty four,
when he was still a candidate, still viewed as viable
despite the her report coming out that he was a
(09:35):
friendly old man that no jury would convict because he's
lost it basically on paraphrasing.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
But not by much.
Speaker 4 (09:41):
And here's Rom Emmanuel, former DNC chair, on a podcast
talking about Ah, I knew Biden didn't have it.
Speaker 7 (09:48):
I expressed myself, expressed my view, and I've been clear.
I was clear as recently as yesterday also about President
Biden speaking out taking the focus away from Donald Trump.
Speaker 5 (10:00):
I believe.
Speaker 7 (10:02):
Zero like a laser focus on make this a referendum
about Donald Trump.
Speaker 8 (10:06):
Yeah, but no, no, like when did you really like notice
that this can't.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
Give you Guys, can't give you that.
Speaker 7 (10:12):
I can't give you the hour in the day that
I said it, But.
Speaker 8 (10:14):
Was it a year in like was it two years in?
Speaker 3 (10:18):
When was it?
Speaker 8 (10:18):
When did you realize, like, this guy can't run for reelection?
Speaker 2 (10:20):
What are we doing?
Speaker 7 (10:21):
No, No, it wasn't a year and two years in
is not the time frame, but it was.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
Uh.
Speaker 7 (10:28):
I don't have the exact date, and I'm not going
to sit here and guess at it. But I expressed
myself to individuals of report.
Speaker 4 (10:33):
True, it wasn't just the water carrying coverage in a
running cover for Joe Biden in his obvious mental decline,
cognitive decline. They were lying to all of us, we
knew that, But true, they were lying to themselves and
much of their own detriment. Had they been honest about
all of this and replaced Biden, let's say, with three
hundred days to go instead of one hundred days to go,
(10:55):
they could have had a primary process, maybe selected somebody
other than Kamala Harris, and probably had a much better
chance of winning.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
But their own worst enemy in this.
Speaker 5 (11:04):
Case, I couldn't agree more. You know, in the I
think that the antire headline you mentioned about the Special
Council Report, the her report that came out back in February,
it really captures this. So below that headline you know,
one of the things I was trying to do. It's
really easy, I think for me and accently for other
people to look at the headline that draw from it
the story, which is, you know, if they're doing a reporting, right,
(11:26):
that's how it should look. But I think some of
the real damning mentions in some of these pieces are
below that. And so in this NPR one, it's a
transport of a conversation on their podcast. So rather than
look at the her report and say, wow, this is
really troubling with the guy who is the nuclear codes
apparently has had serious cognitive declientents he took office, they
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looked at all of these facts that very clearly indicated
so much of this and said, and I'm quoting now
and now this Special Council report, even though it essentially
exonerated him Biden on the facts, it's going to weaponized
by these opponents or Voe to say even the Special
Councils say that Fidamin t Nile why why all they
(12:08):
all they had to do, all they had to do
was not intentionally play interference on this point, right, They
had to stick their hands inness and so many their
outlets did this too. They had they had, they had
to say, well, you know, the Republicans are going to pounce,
we have to put something out to make sure the
Republicans don't found. And what happens in a few of
the Republicans were intact onto something. And now everyone from
(12:31):
you know, from Rama Manuel, from Jake Tapper saying well,
you know, we knew this, we knew this, it was
the case. I think they probably did that. I think
they're probably right that they did in fact light of
themselves in many of these cases, because it was it
was inescapable then, even as it's inescapable now.
Speaker 4 (12:47):
Catch Drew Holden's takedown of NPR. And there's supposed journalism
and by the way, government funded, taxpayer funded. And if
an outlet like and I would say this in all fairness,
if it were ideologically to the right, like a Fox
News and Newsmax whoever else, and the government was funding it,
I wouldn't be okay with that either. If it's a
(13:07):
government funded entity, I mean that's literally Drew state funded media,
and they've become provda for the left. Why should the
average American taxpayer pay for it? They can make it
on their own through donations, maybe add underwriters if you
don't full out advertisements. But I think the model itself
is vastly outdated with today's new media.
Speaker 5 (13:29):
I think that's right, and I think given the direction,
you know, I think that the whole point of the thread,
given them directions that they've gone in their coverage, it
definitely doesn't make sense. And a quick point to on
the funding piece, because you know, one of the things
NPR does and they push back and they say, oh, well,
you know, I was reading they put out an inner
visit with the CEO which is like, well, you know,
we only get one percent of our funding from the
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federal government and it goes to bulletproof vests for our
reporters and all these other noble things, which is, you know,
if you look really really narrowly at the line items
and the budget, that is accurate. They don't get all
that much federal money directly from the government. But and
this is at this point even gets lost and they
use it as a way to hide, so no or
not they relying on the government. The public broadcasting the
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Corporation for Public Broadcasting gets gives NPR about one hundred
million dollars of federal funding that flows out to a
whole bunch of local radio stations who then pay for NPR.
They can only use these contracts for NPR and other
state affiliated to AVIA, and so you get one hundred
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million dollars beyond what NPR contigues in their budget to
go to nprs pay rule they only they only kick
in about three hundred million a years, so fully a
third of their budget comes from government outlays that end
up getting back to NPR. So really it's an enormous
stake that the federal government holds in NPR if they're
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going to be publishing things that one aren't connected to
reality and two when there's a Democrat in the office,
serve as outright propaganda in support of the government. I
think it's very reasonable of PAPLE take issue with their
tech dollars going that way.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
I always have to emphasize too.
Speaker 4 (15:16):
I come at this My first paying job in broadcasting
was at Central Michigan University Public Radio, and I helped
host a pledge drive on the radio for NPR and
art programming on that station.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
So it's not like I'm hostile to the.
Speaker 4 (15:32):
Idea of public broadcasting NPR PBS, but Drew, maybe I'm
waxing nostalgic as a gen xer who remembers more halcionic days. However,
I do think there was a time when walk with
me here, that public broadcasting, whether it was PBS or NPR,
was a lot less the way it is now in
(15:52):
terms of being purely partisan an agenda driven, maybe back
let's say seventies, eighties, even into the nineties when I
work there than it is today.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
Would you say that's accurate or no?
Speaker 5 (16:02):
Yeah, I think that's fair, you know, I think unfortunately, NPR,
like many other mainstream media outlets, has been buffeted by
the forces of the Internet and you know, the global
race to be the first to report a story. While
while they once upon a time they have kind of
held themselves in a higher regard, now they're chasing clicks
just like everybody else's. They're chasing they get these stories,
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and unfortunately, all of those intentives align against their ability
to tell a true and accurate story. Because that's it's
very toxic set of intentive that media companies confront and
MP there is no different from the rest of them.
Speaker 4 (16:37):
There is one silver lining in all this, and it
involves our guest, Drew Holden because NPR dot org put the.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
Following statement out. I'm so glad you had this screen shot, Drew.
Speaker 4 (16:46):
Last week the Washington Free Beacons, Drew Holden documented a
series of prominent news outlets and public figures that appeared
to rely on Hamas's claims as authoritative, with little or
scant acknowledgment of how little had been verified before public
came more.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
Drew Holden in Public Radio, Drew.
Speaker 5 (17:04):
That's true, Will and Ryan, I kid you not. I
will always cherish the fact that I got an NPR
the you know, the mushy media lover in me, Will
will always do that. And you know what, at least
they can appreciate the thread. So I'm hoping they appreciated
finding themselves in the crossings.
Speaker 4 (17:20):
Finally, do you always want to give you a chance
to promote what you're working on and how people can
follow you, contribute to American Compass and the work that
you're doing.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
What do they need to know? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (17:29):
Definitely follow me on Twitter Drew Holden, three sixteen. And
then if you're interested in the media criticism stuff in particular,
I'm going to substack that. I promise I'm going to
get to and publish again that soon it's holding a
court on substack, holding underscore court on Twitter. And I
do these, you know, I write up these threads with
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more contexts and more details and more information, and I
think it's a valuable services. We've talked about it before,
you know. I think I think sometimes the punchry kind
of Internet driven criticism of themedia in cases like this
it's a little more cut and dry, but in some
of them, I really do try and go spond on
these things that matter, these incentives and these forces within
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the industry.
Speaker 4 (18:11):
Always love been listening to services of Drew Holden, who
you just heard, or Steven L. Miller or Saraj Hashmi
holding up a mirror to the media, and oftentimes that's
all you need to do. And Drew did that so
effectively with this NPR thread. And I invite you to
check it out at Drew Holden three p.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
Sixty on X. Drew.
Speaker 4 (18:27):
Always enjoy having you on the program. I look forward
to our next conversation.
Speaker 5 (18:31):
Ryan. The pleasure is mind sor I'll talk.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
To you all right, True Holden, So it's great stuff there.
Speaker 4 (18:36):
I mean, the insights, the commentary, the analysis of why
they get it so wrong, and when your liberal friends
are like, the media's not that biased, folks, That's all
you have to do. Listen to this show, read Drew
Holden's threads, Read and listen to Steven L. Miller and
the Versus Media podcast. Follow the list, Saraj hashm I
got you covered critiquing.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
Mass media one oh one right here on Ryan Schuling live.
Speaker 9 (19:05):
All the tools she needed to take our daughter from me,
tools that she couldn't have forged on her own. You
gave her the therapist, you gave her the ideological support,
and you never once thought shouldn't the father.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
Be involved too. I was supposed to have one upon
in this fight for my daughter.
Speaker 9 (19:21):
One voice would equals say, one person across the table
who I would battle for influence, and that person was
supposed to be my ex But you gave her reinforcements.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
You gave her a system that cut me out of
the picture. You handed her the tools.
Speaker 9 (19:34):
To eliminate me from my daughter's life, and with your help,
she's trying to erase me altogether. You replaced my voice,
you stole my seat of the table, and you made
decisions about my daughter without me.
Speaker 4 (19:44):
Straight fire from a father, and you could hear his
absolute pain and outrage, and justifiably so, Dustin Gonzalez Jeff
Coast Schools. That was a school board meeting where he
was addressing those who would step been, as he put it,
take his place, take his ex wife's side in indoctrinating
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his daughter with a therapist, and that word I have
to put in quotes that, no doubt, was not only
encouraging the transition, but we've seen as well, but in
the state of Colorado with gender affirming care, a therapist
isn't even allowed or permitted in that setting to say,
let's pump the brakes here and maybe pursue other modes,
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means and methods of treatment. Nope, straight to the transing.
And this is the part that I simply cannot get
my head around. We're very fortunate enough to be joined
by Dustin Gonzalez right now along with Lori Gimmelstein from
the Colorado Parent Advocacy Network. Thank you both so much
for joining us here and Ryan Schuling Live. Let me
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start with you, Dustin, and this impassioned plea that you
gave it went viral on the social media platforms, including
by libs of TikTok Et cetera. Just take us to
the beginning of when you found out there was something
going on with your child.
Speaker 10 (21:07):
Yeah, well this is the last year, probably about March
or so, my daughter came to her car and she
was dressed completely differently. She was but my wife was
thinking up. She didn't even recognize her. And you know,
we're not done. I'm pretty politically aware, and we basically
asked us, say, hey, what's going on, like let's thought
about this, like what's going on? And yeah, and she said, well,
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I'm non binary. I want to go buy these pronouns.
I want this to be my name. And I was like,
where did this come from? And she refused to tell me,
and to this day she still won't tell me where
it started. But I act admitted in court on last
Friday that that did start in school and even she
didn't know that started it, but she was so first
and then me. So basically, my daughter's being indoctrinated for
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six months before I even found out and should argue
the decision by ten.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
Unbelievable.
Speaker 4 (21:57):
And yet it is believable because Laurie, as you and
I have discussed numerous times before, both on this program
and in our messaging. This is far from an isolated incident.
We can only point to Columbine High School the grooming
that went on there. And it's not just with a
gender dysphoria. It's with hiding these types of items and
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issues and problems from the parents, with the foolish notion
that the school knows better than the parents do, and
the parents inherently are abusers. And this goes to the
heart really of house Built twenty five thirteen twelve, which
is perilous and dangerous and threatens to take kids away
from parents. Laurie, how would you sum up Dustin's experience
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as it compares to these other incidences that we've seen.
Speaker 6 (22:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (22:43):
Absolutely, I think that your listeners really need to understand
that this is happening to real families all across Colorado.
Speaker 10 (22:51):
We have an.
Speaker 8 (22:51):
Incident reporting tool, and I encourage anyone listening that if
they are going through something like Dustin is going through,
or several other families that we will talk about, they
can submit an answering port and CPN can help guide
them so that they can get the best advocacy support
that they need for their child. But this is not
just Dustin or the case at Columbine like this has
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happening down in Durango to Cindy Stein, whose daughter was
groomed by her math teacher and the math teacher was
harboring her at the house. Nobody would help CPS, the school,
the police.
Speaker 11 (23:25):
We have a.
Speaker 8 (23:25):
Situation in northern Colorado with another dad who's in a
custody situation and was completely gagged by the court in
having any say in his son's medical treatment because he
wants to wait, he wants to pause, he wants to
ask questions, he wants to ensure that the doctors and
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the therapists are exploring why his son is questioning his gender,
and the court gags him. So I think people really
need to understand that this is extreme, and it's already happening,
it's in full practice, and people need to know also
that Governor Polus signed into law last year House Bill
twenty four to ten thirty nine non Legal Name Changes.
And what that did was it made it legal for
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schools to hide gender transitions from parents.
Speaker 5 (24:12):
And so this new bill is.
Speaker 8 (24:13):
Just another nail in the coffin on parent rights. It's
extreme and what this means if you have a child
that is in school and this is what's happening, okay.
And they are getting comprehensive sex education, which is now
required by law. They are receiving gender ideology concepts in
social emotional learning and their advisory classes and their homeroom classes.
(24:37):
It's embedded into their social studies curriculum, and they're seeing
flags everywhere. It is encouraged, it is incentivized. Kids are
getting stickers and toys and rewards for joining these LGBTQIA
plus clubs and organizations, and it's shopped. It's sold as
(25:01):
a great alternative to your life if you're if you
feel uncomfortable in your body, or maybe you're socially awkward.
And with that happening, and we and kids our quest
to start to question this. And when parents aren't included,
they cannot guide and direct their child. And to say
that parenting is abuse is unconstitutional, it's un American, and
(25:24):
we are fighting with every effort that we have against
this degregious bill thirteen twelve.
Speaker 4 (25:29):
She is Lorie Gimmelstein and you can follow her network
that's the Colorado Parent Advocacy Network on ex at Seapan
Colorado and also joining us Dustin Gonzalez. This concerned father
who has had a strained relationship with his daughter, who
has been indoctrinated into what Laurie just described. It's this bonus,
it's this affirmation you're different, you're special, You're part of
(25:53):
this new group, this new club. And it's not it's
past a it's it's not cool to be straight and
just be a regular person. You're not gonna get an
that way. So they play to a young person's fears, insecurities,
lack of confidence, vulnerabilities. That's exactly what's going on here, Dustin.
But my main concern and why I think you coming
on this program, you speaking in that school board meeting,
(26:14):
why it's so important?
Speaker 3 (26:15):
You know, I spoke with.
Speaker 4 (26:16):
Aaron Lee And if you watch the documentary Art Club,
you can find it on YouTube. You can find it
on her website. Again, this is following the same mo
the same pattern. A child is isolated and told to
separate from his or her parents, to hide this in secrecy,
to cover it with a scam. This was not an
art club. This is an indoctrination club in the Pewter
School District. And Dustin, what these administrators teach your staff,
(26:39):
I think what they're trying to do to a father
like you is make you feel isolated, make you feel
like you're alone, make you feel like you're powerless. So
I want to get to the core of what led
you to take that bold step to go public, to
come forward, to tell this story from your perspective, and
why that was important to you.
Speaker 10 (26:57):
Yeah. Right. My wife lives in kind of like like
she then the person that kind of keeps me under control,
and he says, hey, who I shouldn't be there? If
I shouldn't be there. We went to the Seatan summit
about two sundays ago and my wife went with me,
and at the end of it, she looked at me
and said, Okay, you have to you have to say something.
And I know at that moment, I said, okay, I
and I went and signed up for You've got to
(27:17):
go Motification speaking and I went up there and the
first one to speak against this. There are multiple groups
before and you speaking four HP twenty five thirteen twelve. Specifically,
they claveman, we're fear mongering. We're trying to organize a base.
We're trying to rally a base around this, and that's
not what it's going to use for. That's not what's about.
(27:38):
Imagine their surprise. And I walked up there and I said, nope,
it's already happening. And I'm proof. We're not fear mongering.
This is reality and this is happening. And all this
still does is guarantees it. And I look at this
now and I'm like, look, I'll be honest. I was
kind of shocked to wake up Friday morning from my
phone blowing up, bit crazy. But at the end of
the day, it's not our kids, and we've got to
(27:59):
reframe this conversation. This is not help It is harmful
to tell a kid they're born in the wrong body.
We have to make sure we control the narrative on this.
Speaker 3 (28:08):
This is harm.
Speaker 10 (28:09):
You cannot look at a child and tell me you
are helping them by saying we.
Speaker 5 (28:12):
Will lie to you.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
That's not fair to them.
Speaker 10 (28:14):
And that's not going to raise them with any amount
of strength to fight back when they're live to in
the future them. We have to control the narratives, fight
back and make it clear if this is harm, I
don't care if it's just a gender, a name change,
pronoun change. Telling us how they're in the wrong body
is not helpful. It is absolutely harm and to tell
them whet way to get out of this, and that
(28:35):
other people tell you that this is what you are
all tho through surgeries to make yourself feel better. That's
not reality. They can work through this, they can get
tast this, but they need support, real support, real help
to have the hard perversations that will love them and
tell them, hey, I love you, I know this is hard. Well,
we're going to work through this together. And the schools
pushing it on them, these schools hiding it from the parents,
(28:58):
they will be exposed. And let me tell you, once
parents really wake up to this failed yours, they will
not hold all this and they'll never hold power again.
Speaker 4 (29:06):
You're here, your lips to God's ears. Dustin Gonzalez, the
father of a child experiencing gender dysphoria, which is real,
but the first course of treatment, according to this bill
that we're talking about thirteen twelve, according to the so
called therapists that are hired by schools, the administrators, the
teachers in these schools is we're going to go right
(29:27):
to transit the kids. And Laurie, this is the part
that should shock and worry everyone is this bill would
further this type of punishment for parents, and this cudgel
that they use to intimidate parents like Dustin Gonzalez, for
whom my heart breaks, and I know a lot of
our listeners their hearts are breaking too, because now he's
come out, and yes he's doing the right thing, and
(29:49):
yes this is the right fight, but I'm sure this
is probably further to the divide between himself and his
daughter and definitely made him a target for these administrators
and teachers that are looking to take rights away from parents. So, Laurie,
if there's a parent out there like Dustin right now
who might be listening or nose of a parent of
somebody a kid experiencing gender dysphoria, but they're just terrified
(30:11):
to come forward because of the consequences of.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
The backlash they might face. What would you say to
that person?
Speaker 8 (30:18):
I would say, first and foremost, you're not alone. This
is happening to families across the state and across the nation,
and we have support systems. We have families we can
connect you to, We have a therapists that we can
connect you to that do not use gender affirmation as
the only approach. We have to recognize and understand that
(30:43):
these systems, and these laws that have been put in
place over the last several years, really they tie the
hands of psychologists and psychiatrists and doctors. But the truth
of the matter is we need more doctors to step
up and to speak the truth. We need more therapists
to do that. In Colorado, Principal Positions is a phenomenal group.
(31:04):
If you're a position in Colorado, look up coloradodoctors dot
org and join this community. What we have seen is
really an egregious takeover of organizations that lead these medical communities,
and the doctors and the nurses that are on the
ground working don't want to be doing this, but they're
(31:24):
terrified of losing their jobs. And the same with educators
and teachers. We have really great teachers and the system
that want nothing to do with this, but they're being
forced or to comply with this lie.
Speaker 5 (31:36):
And you know, as a.
Speaker 8 (31:38):
Speak pathologist myself, who have worked incredibly closely with doctors
and therapists for the last twenty years, you cannot overlook
underlying conditions, and that is what's happening. They're fast tracking
these kids onto cross sex hormones and social transition without
looking at this child have other comorbidities like to some anxiety, depression,
(32:01):
past trauma, and most alarmingly, social influence. I mean that
is one of the biggest indicators of gender confusion, is
what's happening socially on social media, in the schools, really
everywhere they go, movies, all the content that's available to
our children is pushing this. And here's the thing, the
(32:21):
science shows the opposite. You should not be affirming. Parents
are coming out of the woodwork saying their biggest mistake
was walking through the doors of a gender clinic like
the one at Children's Hospital, the true Center for Gender
Diversity Denver Health Kaiser Permanente. These parents were not warned,
they were not told about the irreversible outcomes like bone
(32:42):
loss and chronic pain and fertility, sexual dysfunction surgeries that
are not helping their child to get happier. It's burdening
their children, it's burdening their families. It's tearing families apart.
In this law House Bill twenty five thirteen twelve, you
know that is being sponsored by Representative of Lorena Arcia.
He's part of Adams in Jefferson County. You really have
(33:03):
to take a look at what she truly stands for.
Speaker 5 (33:07):
She says she's a.
Speaker 8 (33:07):
Registered Democrat, but she's an admitted member of the Democratic
Socialist of America and that group, that political group openly
advocates for dismantling American institutions and the nuclear family. And
this is what's happening to Dustin and families across the state.
Speaker 4 (33:22):
It's not gender affirming care, it's gender denying care, and
it's denying these children a chance at happiness and a full,
healthy life. Find out more about the Colorado Parent Advocacy
Network at Coloradoparents dot org. She is Lori Gimmelstein, and
I got to tell you, Dustin Gonzalez, thank you so
much for what you're doing, for coming forward.
Speaker 3 (33:41):
I know it's not.
Speaker 4 (33:41):
Easy and it doesn't come without a lot of people
coming after you as well, but you've got more support.
Speaker 3 (33:46):
Than you know. And thank you so much for joining
me here today.
Speaker 10 (33:51):
Er, I really appreciate you having you on.
Speaker 4 (33:52):
Thank you absolutely, Dustin Gonzalez right there, you just heard
and Lori Gimmelstein as well.
Speaker 3 (33:57):
In one more time that.
Speaker 4 (33:58):
Website Colorado Parents wrapping it all up on Ryan Schuling
Live after this, Ryan, I'm so pissed off for Dustin
while listening and putting myself in his shoes.
Speaker 3 (34:12):
Horrible things are going through.
Speaker 4 (34:14):
My mind, you and me both, and I think the
best we can do is let Dustin know that we.
Speaker 3 (34:18):
Support him one hundred percent. This is a good text.
Speaker 4 (34:22):
It needs to be enshrined in the Colorado Constitution that
there will be no statute limitations, both criminally and civilly
for the doctors and parents that go, we're underage children
into getting transgender surgery before they're able to comprehend what
it means for their future. There should be a zero tolerance.
I'm going to try to work with Aaron Lee, Lindsey Datko,
Lori Gimmelstein, and anybody else who will spearhead this effort,
(34:46):
maybe a Christy Burton Brown, especially concerned moms out there,
because I had that conversation with Aaron Lee one hundred
percent of the time, for whatever reason, it's the mother
wanting to trans the kid, not the dad, not Ustin Gonzalez.
Speaker 3 (35:01):
That's not meant to be sexist, that's just the way
it is.
Speaker 4 (35:04):
If we put a ballot initiative on this topic on
the November ballad, either this year or next, I guarantee
you the unaffiliateds will come flocking out to support banning
transgender surgeries on kids and especially abusive parents from traffic
in trans housing by proxy for whatever reason it needs
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That America is addicted to white supremacy.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
I believe that I tweeted that, and as I've said earlier,
I believe much of my thinking has evolved over the
last half decade.
Speaker 3 (00:10):
It has evolved.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
Why did you tweet that?
Speaker 2 (00:13):
I don't recall the exact context, sir, so I wouldn't
be able to say.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
Okay, do you believe that America believes in black plunder
and white democracy?
Speaker 2 (00:22):
I don't believe that, sir.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
It is reference to a book you were reading at
the time, apparently, the Case for Reparations.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
I don't think I've ever read that book, sir. You
tweeted about it.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
You said you took a day off to fully read
The Case for Reparations. You put that on Twitter in
January of twenty twenty.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
I apologies. I don't recall that I did.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Okay, I've no doubt that your tweet there is correct,
but I don't recall that.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Do you think the white people should pay reparations?
Speaker 3 (00:52):
I have never said that, sir, Yes you did.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
You said it in January of twenty twenty. You tweeted,
yes the North, yes, allibus, Yes, America, Yes, our original
collective sin and paid debt. Yes, reparations, yes, on this day.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
I don't believe that was a reference to fiscal reparations
or what kind.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Of reparations was it a reference to.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
I think it was just a reference to the idea
that we all owe much to the people who came
before us.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
That's a bizarre way to frame what you tweeted.
Speaker 4 (01:19):
Any excuse to replay that all time gem from Representative
Brandon Gill, Republican Texas. Just grilling the CEO of NPR
National Public Radio, Catherine Maher, and, as my grandfather might say,
she was more full of blank than a Christmas goose.
(01:40):
I have no doubt that the tweet in question is
one that I put out, but I don't remember it.
You said you read the book. I don't remember reading
the book. Maybe I lied about that. She should have
said that. She should have said, look, it's just liberal
virtue signaling. I have suburban, college educated, white liberal female guilt.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
And it's ravaging me.
Speaker 4 (02:04):
And I needed to signal, like I was Callisi from
Game of Thrones, that I am a white savior, that
I am down with the struggle, that I support the
concept however, defined of reparations, not financial reparations, which is
the only kind that.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
Anybody ever talks about, just to the sense of the.
Speaker 4 (02:24):
Spirit of reparations, says Catherine Maher, There's a reason why,
and Kelly despises this particular category more than anybody.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
There's a reason why.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
There are certain members of our society that are referred
to as awfuls affluent white female liberals. And I hate
to pick on people, but come on, they're the worst.
They're the absolute worst. Look at the polling of how
they vote.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
It's out of line and out a skew. It's just
about everybody else.
Speaker 4 (02:56):
Gen Z is the young people that are in college
right now, they're leaning overwhelming Republican, Black and Hispanic Americans
are going to the right, but not the college educated,
suburban liberal white women.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
And Katherine Maher is the poster child for that.
Speaker 4 (03:14):
Now, why we're on this topic is because our next guest,
I mean, this guy specializes in slam dunks with threads
and not just his clothing because he's a sharp dressed man,
as easy top one said, but he has.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
The receipts and he unrolls these threads.
Speaker 4 (03:30):
And the fact that he was reposted by Representative Aleis
staphonic on this a couple of days ago cemented it
for me. I've got to get Drew Holden on and
you can follow him at Drew Holden three point sixty.
He joins us here on Ryan Shuling Live.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
Drew.
Speaker 5 (03:43):
Welcome, Brian, Thanks so much for having me back on
the program.
Speaker 4 (03:47):
Now when you hear Katherine Maher's testimony, and I have
no doubt that you did when it happened not that
long ago. I mean, shaking your head is not a
strong enough reaction. Is something precipitated this thread from you
about PR but her as the face of the franchise? Basically,
what does that tell you?
Speaker 5 (04:07):
Yeah, you know, Ryan, I think I think what it
tells me, and I think unfortunately npr s reporting often
bears without is that it is an organization run by
political activists who are committed to political activism, right, and
that is a particularly but you tee it up really
well in terms of the it's not just left living,
(04:27):
It's not just that there's a condescension and a just
just a dimming tone that runs throughout NPR, I think,
and she's obviously emblematic of it. She's the leader of
the organization. But I've found myself for years and years
and years as someone who I think loves consecually the
(04:49):
idea of having the public support some sort of media
to provide on biased information. It's just so alarming and
troubling to me that someone like her would be running
an organization like NPR. I again, unfortunately, I think it's
born out in a lot of their comforts.
Speaker 4 (05:07):
He is the managing editor at American Compass and you
can find his thread at Drew Holden three point sixty
on x one of the most important follows on that
platform in my view, and this is just gold. I mean,
this is like the greatest Hits album one after the other,
with the references to NPR and everything they got wrong
and so markedly wrong, like the lab league theory on
(05:28):
COVID that is the conspiracy, and of course that didn't
happen in the Wuhan lab. But the guy that deserves
credit who really kind of exposed the corruption from within
at NPR's Uri Berliner, and he joined Chris Cuomo. This
is some time ago, and this is a portion of
that conversation with Drew. Comment on the other side, I'm.
Speaker 6 (05:47):
Not surprised by the response that came from management, and
the same managers that I've been making a lot of
these points about, and they're certainly entitled to that perspective.
I will say I've had a lot of support from collegs,
many of them unexpected, who say they agree with me.
Some of them say this confidentially, but I think there's
been a lot of response saying, look, these are things.
Speaker 5 (06:10):
That need to be addressed. We haven't.
Speaker 6 (06:12):
We've been too locked and too frightened, too too timid
to deal with these things. And I think that, uh,
this is this is the right opportunity to bring it
all out in the open.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Now.
Speaker 4 (06:20):
Drew ber Leinnard is no conservative, but what he also
found was there were no conservatives within the whole NPR
framework newsroom, editorial board, not even a token conservative.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
I mean, bring in Drew Holden, but no, not one.
Why not one?
Speaker 5 (06:36):
Yeah, you know, I think it's it's a it's a
continuance of this punishingly insular worldview that the organization has.
And you know, I think you see it obviously from
the toss that have they clipped you played it. It
does always kind of catch my breath a little bit
in my throat when I hear it because it's just
so rapidly political. But I think even worse than than
(06:58):
having that at the top is having voice even slightly
to the right of that, anywhere within the entity that
that could just put their finger up in a news
meeting and say, hey, you know, maybe we don't want
to talk about the Hunter Biden laptop story the same
way the New York posted, Maybe we don't want to
talk about the Wuhan lad league potential the same way
(07:18):
that Fox News has, but maybe we should at least
entertain these things. Maybe we should at least talk about
these things. But instead the very idea that these things
should be brought up, we're the very idea that we
should even entertain some kind of intellectually, you know, virtuous
conversation on this is completely written off. And so you
(07:38):
end up having organizations like NPR, instead of trying to
do anything that's about fact finding when it doesn't suit
their priors. You have this horrific level of what often
comes off as propaganda that gets pushed to these gets
pushed to their readers and their listeners and as straight
news and with anything but he's true.
Speaker 4 (07:59):
Hold In, the managing editor at American Compass and their
companion magazine, Commonplace. And there's an account on X that
I follow and I find very entertaining that avoids politics
at all costs. That I respect that, but it's called
freezing cold takes and Drew Holden, you could have compiled
a list of those from this threat alone, just on
(08:19):
these headlines, which are incredible.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
Here's just a few of them to give you a taste.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
But you can find the whole thing again on his
X feed at Drew Holden three point sixty NPR Politics
headline from Rachel Treiseman, December two, twenty twenty four. Biden
isn't the first president of Pardner relative. Here's how the
power works. Here's another one. The economy is strong, but
voters aren't feeling it. That's a problem for Biden. Here's
(08:45):
another one. This is really bad from the Hunter Biden
laptop fiasco analysis October seventeenth, twenty twenty.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
Remember that's right before the election.
Speaker 4 (08:53):
Questionable New York Post scoop driven by ex Hannity producer
and Julianni don't believe the laptop's not real. Despite Miranda
Devine's reporting, which was spot on and pitch perfect. That
was blacklisted, downgraded, shadow band all over social media on
what was then Twitter and of course Facebook. But here
(09:14):
I think is the coupdi gras drew And really it's
a case of them being a victim of their own framing.
The title was this Biden defended his mental acuity in
this Evening's press conference that was February eighth, twenty twenty four,
when he was still a candidate, still viewed as viable
despite the her report coming out that he was a
(09:35):
friendly old man that no jury would convict because he's
lost it basically on paraphrasing.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
But not by much.
Speaker 4 (09:41):
And here's Rom Emmanuel, former DNC chair, on a podcast
talking about Ah, I knew Biden didn't have it.
Speaker 7 (09:48):
I expressed myself, expressed my view, and I've been clear.
I was clear as recently as yesterday also about President
Biden speaking out taking the focus away from Donald Trump.
Speaker 5 (10:00):
I believe.
Speaker 7 (10:02):
Zero like a laser focus on make this a referendum
about Donald Trump.
Speaker 8 (10:06):
Yeah, but no, no, like when did you really like notice
that this can't.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
Give you Guys, can't give you that.
Speaker 7 (10:12):
I can't give you the hour in the day that
I said it, But.
Speaker 8 (10:14):
Was it a year in like was it two years in?
Speaker 3 (10:18):
When was it?
Speaker 8 (10:18):
When did you realize, like, this guy can't run for reelection?
Speaker 2 (10:20):
What are we doing?
Speaker 7 (10:21):
No, No, it wasn't a year and two years in
is not the time frame, but it was.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
Uh.
Speaker 7 (10:28):
I don't have the exact date, and I'm not going
to sit here and guess at it. But I expressed
myself to individuals of report.
Speaker 4 (10:33):
True, it wasn't just the water carrying coverage in a
running cover for Joe Biden in his obvious mental decline,
cognitive decline. They were lying to all of us, we
knew that, But true, they were lying to themselves and
much of their own detriment. Had they been honest about
all of this and replaced Biden, let's say, with three
hundred days to go instead of one hundred days to go,
(10:55):
they could have had a primary process, maybe selected somebody
other than Kamala Harris, and probably had a much better
chance of winning.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
But their own worst enemy in this.
Speaker 5 (11:04):
Case, I couldn't agree more. You know, in the I
think that the antire headline you mentioned about the Special
Council Report, the her report that came out back in February,
it really captures this. So below that headline you know,
one of the things I was trying to do. It's
really easy, I think for me and accently for other
people to look at the headline that draw from it
the story, which is, you know, if they're doing a reporting, right,
(11:26):
that's how it should look. But I think some of
the real damning mentions in some of these pieces are
below that. And so in this NPR one, it's a
transport of a conversation on their podcast. So rather than
look at the her report and say, wow, this is
really troubling with the guy who is the nuclear codes
apparently has had serious cognitive declientents he took office, they
(11:47):
looked at all of these facts that very clearly indicated
so much of this and said, and I'm quoting now
and now this Special Council report, even though it essentially
exonerated him Biden on the facts, it's going to weaponized
by these opponents or Voe to say even the Special
Councils say that Fidamin t Nile why why all they
(12:08):
all they had to do, all they had to do
was not intentionally play interference on this point, right, They
had to stick their hands inness and so many their
outlets did this too. They had they had, they had
to say, well, you know, the Republicans are going to pounce,
we have to put something out to make sure the
Republicans don't found. And what happens in a few of
the Republicans were intact onto something. And now everyone from
(12:31):
you know, from Rama Manuel, from Jake Tapper saying well,
you know, we knew this, we knew this, it was
the case. I think they probably did that. I think
they're probably right that they did in fact light of
themselves in many of these cases, because it was it
was inescapable then, even as it's inescapable now.
Speaker 4 (12:47):
Catch Drew Holden's takedown of NPR. And there's supposed journalism
and by the way, government funded, taxpayer funded. And if
an outlet like and I would say this in all fairness,
if it were ideologically to the right, like a Fox
News and Newsmax whoever else, and the government was funding it,
I wouldn't be okay with that either. If it's a
(13:07):
government funded entity, I mean that's literally Drew state funded media,
and they've become provda for the left. Why should the
average American taxpayer pay for it? They can make it
on their own through donations, maybe add underwriters if you
don't full out advertisements. But I think the model itself
is vastly outdated with today's new media.
Speaker 5 (13:29):
I think that's right, and I think given the direction,
you know, I think that the whole point of the thread,
given them directions that they've gone in their coverage, it
definitely doesn't make sense. And a quick point to on
the funding piece, because you know, one of the things
NPR does and they push back and they say, oh, well,
you know, I was reading they put out an inner
visit with the CEO which is like, well, you know,
we only get one percent of our funding from the
(13:50):
federal government and it goes to bulletproof vests for our
reporters and all these other noble things, which is, you know,
if you look really really narrowly at the line items
and the budget, that is accurate. They don't get all
that much federal money directly from the government. But and
this is at this point even gets lost and they
use it as a way to hide, so no or
not they relying on the government. The public broadcasting the
(14:15):
Corporation for Public Broadcasting gets gives NPR about one hundred
million dollars of federal funding that flows out to a
whole bunch of local radio stations who then pay for NPR.
They can only use these contracts for NPR and other
state affiliated to AVIA, and so you get one hundred
(14:36):
million dollars beyond what NPR contigues in their budget to
go to nprs pay rule they only they only kick
in about three hundred million a years, so fully a
third of their budget comes from government outlays that end
up getting back to NPR. So really it's an enormous
stake that the federal government holds in NPR if they're
(14:58):
going to be publishing things that one aren't connected to
reality and two when there's a Democrat in the office,
serve as outright propaganda in support of the government. I
think it's very reasonable of PAPLE take issue with their
tech dollars going that way.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
I always have to emphasize too.
Speaker 4 (15:16):
I come at this My first paying job in broadcasting
was at Central Michigan University Public Radio, and I helped
host a pledge drive on the radio for NPR and
art programming on that station.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
So it's not like I'm hostile to the.
Speaker 4 (15:32):
Idea of public broadcasting NPR PBS, but Drew, maybe I'm
waxing nostalgic as a gen xer who remembers more halcionic days. However,
I do think there was a time when walk with
me here, that public broadcasting, whether it was PBS or NPR,
was a lot less the way it is now in
(15:52):
terms of being purely partisan an agenda driven, maybe back
let's say seventies, eighties, even into the nineties when I
work there than it is today.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
Would you say that's accurate or no?
Speaker 5 (16:02):
Yeah, I think that's fair, you know, I think unfortunately, NPR,
like many other mainstream media outlets, has been buffeted by
the forces of the Internet and you know, the global
race to be the first to report a story. While
while they once upon a time they have kind of
held themselves in a higher regard, now they're chasing clicks
just like everybody else's. They're chasing they get these stories,
(16:22):
and unfortunately, all of those intentives align against their ability
to tell a true and accurate story. Because that's it's
very toxic set of intentive that media companies confront and
MP there is no different from the rest of them.
Speaker 4 (16:37):
There is one silver lining in all this, and it
involves our guest, Drew Holden because NPR dot org put the.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
Following statement out. I'm so glad you had this screen shot, Drew.
Speaker 4 (16:46):
Last week the Washington Free Beacons, Drew Holden documented a
series of prominent news outlets and public figures that appeared
to rely on Hamas's claims as authoritative, with little or
scant acknowledgment of how little had been verified before public
came more.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
Drew Holden in Public Radio, Drew.
Speaker 5 (17:04):
That's true, Will and Ryan, I kid you not. I
will always cherish the fact that I got an NPR
the you know, the mushy media lover in me, Will
will always do that. And you know what, at least
they can appreciate the thread. So I'm hoping they appreciated
finding themselves in the crossings.
Speaker 4 (17:20):
Finally, do you always want to give you a chance
to promote what you're working on and how people can
follow you, contribute to American Compass and the work that
you're doing.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
What do they need to know? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (17:29):
Definitely follow me on Twitter Drew Holden, three sixteen. And
then if you're interested in the media criticism stuff in particular,
I'm going to substack that. I promise I'm going to
get to and publish again that soon it's holding a
court on substack, holding underscore court on Twitter. And I
do these, you know, I write up these threads with
(17:49):
more contexts and more details and more information, and I
think it's a valuable services. We've talked about it before,
you know. I think I think sometimes the punchry kind
of Internet driven criticism of themedia in cases like this
it's a little more cut and dry, but in some
of them, I really do try and go spond on
these things that matter, these incentives and these forces within
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the industry.
Speaker 4 (18:11):
Always love been listening to services of Drew Holden, who
you just heard, or Steven L. Miller or Saraj Hashmi
holding up a mirror to the media, and oftentimes that's
all you need to do. And Drew did that so
effectively with this NPR thread. And I invite you to
check it out at Drew Holden three p.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
Sixty on X. Drew.
Speaker 4 (18:27):
Always enjoy having you on the program. I look forward
to our next conversation.
Speaker 5 (18:31):
Ryan. The pleasure is mind sor I'll talk.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
To you all right, True Holden, So it's great stuff there.
Speaker 4 (18:36):
I mean, the insights, the commentary, the analysis of why
they get it so wrong, and when your liberal friends
are like, the media's not that biased, folks, That's all
you have to do. Listen to this show, read Drew
Holden's threads, Read and listen to Steven L. Miller and
the Versus Media podcast. Follow the list, Saraj hashm I
got you covered critiquing.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
Mass media one oh one right here on Ryan Schuling live.
Speaker 9 (19:05):
All the tools she needed to take our daughter from me,
tools that she couldn't have forged on her own. You
gave her the therapist, you gave her the ideological support,
and you never once thought shouldn't the father.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
Be involved too. I was supposed to have one upon
in this fight for my daughter.
Speaker 9 (19:21):
One voice would equals say, one person across the table
who I would battle for influence, and that person was
supposed to be my ex But you gave her reinforcements.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
You gave her a system that cut me out of
the picture. You handed her the tools.
Speaker 9 (19:34):
To eliminate me from my daughter's life, and with your help,
she's trying to erase me altogether. You replaced my voice,
you stole my seat of the table, and you made
decisions about my daughter without me.
Speaker 4 (19:44):
Straight fire from a father, and you could hear his
absolute pain and outrage, and justifiably so, Dustin Gonzalez Jeff
Coast Schools. That was a school board meeting where he
was addressing those who would step been, as he put it,
take his place, take his ex wife's side in indoctrinating
(20:07):
his daughter with a therapist, and that word I have
to put in quotes that, no doubt, was not only
encouraging the transition, but we've seen as well, but in
the state of Colorado with gender affirming care, a therapist
isn't even allowed or permitted in that setting to say,
let's pump the brakes here and maybe pursue other modes,
(20:28):
means and methods of treatment. Nope, straight to the transing.
And this is the part that I simply cannot get
my head around. We're very fortunate enough to be joined
by Dustin Gonzalez right now along with Lori Gimmelstein from
the Colorado Parent Advocacy Network. Thank you both so much
for joining us here and Ryan Schuling Live. Let me
(20:52):
start with you, Dustin, and this impassioned plea that you
gave it went viral on the social media platforms, including
by libs of TikTok Et cetera. Just take us to
the beginning of when you found out there was something
going on with your child.
Speaker 10 (21:07):
Yeah, well this is the last year, probably about March
or so, my daughter came to her car and she
was dressed completely differently. She was but my wife was
thinking up. She didn't even recognize her. And you know,
we're not done. I'm pretty politically aware, and we basically
asked us, say, hey, what's going on, like let's thought
about this, like what's going on? And yeah, and she said, well,
(21:30):
I'm non binary. I want to go buy these pronouns.
I want this to be my name. And I was like,
where did this come from? And she refused to tell me,
and to this day she still won't tell me where
it started. But I act admitted in court on last
Friday that that did start in school and even she
didn't know that started it, but she was so first
and then me. So basically, my daughter's being indoctrinated for
(21:51):
six months before I even found out and should argue
the decision by ten.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
Unbelievable.
Speaker 4 (21:57):
And yet it is believable because Laurie, as you and
I have discussed numerous times before, both on this program
and in our messaging. This is far from an isolated incident.
We can only point to Columbine High School the grooming
that went on there. And it's not just with a
gender dysphoria. It's with hiding these types of items and
(22:18):
issues and problems from the parents, with the foolish notion
that the school knows better than the parents do, and
the parents inherently are abusers. And this goes to the
heart really of house Built twenty five thirteen twelve, which
is perilous and dangerous and threatens to take kids away
from parents. Laurie, how would you sum up Dustin's experience
(22:39):
as it compares to these other incidences that we've seen.
Speaker 6 (22:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (22:43):
Absolutely, I think that your listeners really need to understand
that this is happening to real families all across Colorado.
Speaker 10 (22:51):
We have an.
Speaker 8 (22:51):
Incident reporting tool, and I encourage anyone listening that if
they are going through something like Dustin is going through,
or several other families that we will talk about, they
can submit an answering port and CPN can help guide
them so that they can get the best advocacy support
that they need for their child. But this is not
just Dustin or the case at Columbine like this has
(23:13):
happening down in Durango to Cindy Stein, whose daughter was
groomed by her math teacher and the math teacher was
harboring her at the house. Nobody would help CPS, the school,
the police.
Speaker 11 (23:25):
We have a.
Speaker 8 (23:25):
Situation in northern Colorado with another dad who's in a
custody situation and was completely gagged by the court in
having any say in his son's medical treatment because he
wants to wait, he wants to pause, he wants to
ask questions, he wants to ensure that the doctors and
(23:46):
the therapists are exploring why his son is questioning his gender,
and the court gags him. So I think people really
need to understand that this is extreme, and it's already happening,
it's in full practice, and people need to know also
that Governor Polus signed into law last year House Bill
twenty four to ten thirty nine non Legal Name Changes.
And what that did was it made it legal for
(24:08):
schools to hide gender transitions from parents.
Speaker 5 (24:12):
And so this new bill is.
Speaker 8 (24:13):
Just another nail in the coffin on parent rights. It's
extreme and what this means if you have a child
that is in school and this is what's happening, okay.
And they are getting comprehensive sex education, which is now
required by law. They are receiving gender ideology concepts in
social emotional learning and their advisory classes and their homeroom classes.
(24:37):
It's embedded into their social studies curriculum, and they're seeing
flags everywhere. It is encouraged, it is incentivized. Kids are
getting stickers and toys and rewards for joining these LGBTQIA
plus clubs and organizations, and it's shopped. It's sold as
(25:01):
a great alternative to your life if you're if you
feel uncomfortable in your body, or maybe you're socially awkward.
And with that happening, and we and kids our quest
to start to question this. And when parents aren't included,
they cannot guide and direct their child. And to say
that parenting is abuse is unconstitutional, it's un American, and
(25:24):
we are fighting with every effort that we have against
this degregious bill thirteen twelve.
Speaker 4 (25:29):
She is Lorie Gimmelstein and you can follow her network
that's the Colorado Parent Advocacy Network on ex at Seapan
Colorado and also joining us Dustin Gonzalez. This concerned father
who has had a strained relationship with his daughter, who
has been indoctrinated into what Laurie just described. It's this bonus,
it's this affirmation you're different, you're special, You're part of
(25:53):
this new group, this new club. And it's not it's
past a it's it's not cool to be straight and
just be a regular person. You're not gonna get an
that way. So they play to a young person's fears, insecurities,
lack of confidence, vulnerabilities. That's exactly what's going on here, Dustin.
But my main concern and why I think you coming
on this program, you speaking in that school board meeting,
(26:14):
why it's so important?
Speaker 3 (26:15):
You know, I spoke with.
Speaker 4 (26:16):
Aaron Lee And if you watch the documentary Art Club,
you can find it on YouTube. You can find it
on her website. Again, this is following the same mo
the same pattern. A child is isolated and told to
separate from his or her parents, to hide this in secrecy,
to cover it with a scam. This was not an
art club. This is an indoctrination club in the Pewter
School District. And Dustin, what these administrators teach your staff,
(26:39):
I think what they're trying to do to a father
like you is make you feel isolated, make you feel
like you're alone, make you feel like you're powerless. So
I want to get to the core of what led
you to take that bold step to go public, to
come forward, to tell this story from your perspective, and
why that was important to you.
Speaker 10 (26:57):
Yeah. Right. My wife lives in kind of like like
she then the person that kind of keeps me under control,
and he says, hey, who I shouldn't be there? If
I shouldn't be there. We went to the Seatan summit
about two sundays ago and my wife went with me,
and at the end of it, she looked at me
and said, Okay, you have to you have to say something.
And I know at that moment, I said, okay, I
and I went and signed up for You've got to
(27:17):
go Motification speaking and I went up there and the
first one to speak against this. There are multiple groups
before and you speaking four HP twenty five thirteen twelve. Specifically,
they claveman, we're fear mongering. We're trying to organize a base.
We're trying to rally a base around this, and that's
not what it's going to use for. That's not what's about.
(27:38):
Imagine their surprise. And I walked up there and I said, nope,
it's already happening. And I'm proof. We're not fear mongering.
This is reality and this is happening. And all this
still does is guarantees it. And I look at this
now and I'm like, look, I'll be honest. I was
kind of shocked to wake up Friday morning from my
phone blowing up, bit crazy. But at the end of
the day, it's not our kids, and we've got to
(27:59):
reframe this conversation. This is not help It is harmful
to tell a kid they're born in the wrong body.
We have to make sure we control the narrative on this.
Speaker 3 (28:08):
This is harm.
Speaker 10 (28:09):
You cannot look at a child and tell me you
are helping them by saying we.
Speaker 5 (28:12):
Will lie to you.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
That's not fair to them.
Speaker 10 (28:14):
And that's not going to raise them with any amount
of strength to fight back when they're live to in
the future them. We have to control the narratives, fight
back and make it clear if this is harm, I
don't care if it's just a gender, a name change,
pronoun change. Telling us how they're in the wrong body
is not helpful. It is absolutely harm and to tell
them whet way to get out of this, and that
(28:35):
other people tell you that this is what you are
all tho through surgeries to make yourself feel better. That's
not reality. They can work through this, they can get
tast this, but they need support, real support, real help
to have the hard perversations that will love them and
tell them, hey, I love you, I know this is hard. Well,
we're going to work through this together. And the schools
pushing it on them, these schools hiding it from the parents,
(28:58):
they will be exposed. And let me tell you, once
parents really wake up to this failed yours, they will
not hold all this and they'll never hold power again.
Speaker 4 (29:06):
You're here, your lips to God's ears. Dustin Gonzalez, the
father of a child experiencing gender dysphoria, which is real,
but the first course of treatment, according to this bill
that we're talking about thirteen twelve, according to the so
called therapists that are hired by schools, the administrators, the
teachers in these schools is we're going to go right
(29:27):
to transit the kids. And Laurie, this is the part
that should shock and worry everyone is this bill would
further this type of punishment for parents, and this cudgel
that they use to intimidate parents like Dustin Gonzalez, for
whom my heart breaks, and I know a lot of
our listeners their hearts are breaking too, because now he's
come out, and yes he's doing the right thing, and
(29:49):
yes this is the right fight, but I'm sure this
is probably further to the divide between himself and his
daughter and definitely made him a target for these administrators
and teachers that are looking to take rights away from parents. So, Laurie,
if there's a parent out there like Dustin right now
who might be listening or nose of a parent of
somebody a kid experiencing gender dysphoria, but they're just terrified
(30:11):
to come forward because of the consequences of.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
The backlash they might face. What would you say to
that person?
Speaker 8 (30:18):
I would say, first and foremost, you're not alone. This
is happening to families across the state and across the nation,
and we have support systems. We have families we can
connect you to, We have a therapists that we can
connect you to that do not use gender affirmation as
the only approach. We have to recognize and understand that
(30:43):
these systems, and these laws that have been put in
place over the last several years, really they tie the
hands of psychologists and psychiatrists and doctors. But the truth
of the matter is we need more doctors to step
up and to speak the truth. We need more therapists
to do that. In Colorado, Principal Positions is a phenomenal group.
(31:04):
If you're a position in Colorado, look up coloradodoctors dot
org and join this community. What we have seen is
really an egregious takeover of organizations that lead these medical communities,
and the doctors and the nurses that are on the
ground working don't want to be doing this, but they're
(31:24):
terrified of losing their jobs. And the same with educators
and teachers. We have really great teachers and the system
that want nothing to do with this, but they're being
forced or to comply with this lie.
Speaker 5 (31:36):
And you know, as a.
Speaker 8 (31:38):
Speak pathologist myself, who have worked incredibly closely with doctors
and therapists for the last twenty years, you cannot overlook
underlying conditions, and that is what's happening. They're fast tracking
these kids onto cross sex hormones and social transition without
looking at this child have other comorbidities like to some anxiety, depression,
(32:01):
past trauma, and most alarmingly, social influence. I mean that
is one of the biggest indicators of gender confusion, is
what's happening socially on social media, in the schools, really
everywhere they go, movies, all the content that's available to
our children is pushing this. And here's the thing, the
(32:21):
science shows the opposite. You should not be affirming. Parents
are coming out of the woodwork saying their biggest mistake
was walking through the doors of a gender clinic like
the one at Children's Hospital, the true Center for Gender
Diversity Denver Health Kaiser Permanente. These parents were not warned,
they were not told about the irreversible outcomes like bone
(32:42):
loss and chronic pain and fertility, sexual dysfunction surgeries that
are not helping their child to get happier. It's burdening
their children, it's burdening their families. It's tearing families apart.
In this law House Bill twenty five thirteen twelve, you
know that is being sponsored by Representative of Lorena Arcia.
He's part of Adams in Jefferson County. You really have
(33:03):
to take a look at what she truly stands for.
Speaker 5 (33:07):
She says she's a.
Speaker 8 (33:07):
Registered Democrat, but she's an admitted member of the Democratic
Socialist of America and that group, that political group openly
advocates for dismantling American institutions and the nuclear family. And
this is what's happening to Dustin and families across the state.
Speaker 4 (33:22):
It's not gender affirming care, it's gender denying care, and
it's denying these children a chance at happiness and a full,
healthy life. Find out more about the Colorado Parent Advocacy
Network at Coloradoparents dot org. She is Lori Gimmelstein, and
I got to tell you, Dustin Gonzalez, thank you so
much for what you're doing, for coming forward.
Speaker 3 (33:41):
I know it's not.
Speaker 4 (33:41):
Easy and it doesn't come without a lot of people
coming after you as well, but you've got more support.
Speaker 3 (33:46):
Than you know. And thank you so much for joining
me here today.
Speaker 10 (33:51):
Er, I really appreciate you having you on.
Speaker 4 (33:52):
Thank you absolutely, Dustin Gonzalez right there, you just heard
and Lori Gimmelstein as well.
Speaker 3 (33:57):
In one more time that.
Speaker 4 (33:58):
Website Colorado Parents wrapping it all up on Ryan Schuling
Live after this, Ryan, I'm so pissed off for Dustin
while listening and putting myself in his shoes.
Speaker 3 (34:12):
Horrible things are going through.
Speaker 4 (34:14):
My mind, you and me both, and I think the
best we can do is let Dustin know that we.
Speaker 3 (34:18):
Support him one hundred percent. This is a good text.
Speaker 4 (34:22):
It needs to be enshrined in the Colorado Constitution that
there will be no statute limitations, both criminally and civilly
for the doctors and parents that go, we're underage children
into getting transgender surgery before they're able to comprehend what
it means for their future. There should be a zero tolerance.
I'm going to try to work with Aaron Lee, Lindsey Datko,
Lori Gimmelstein, and anybody else who will spearhead this effort,
(34:46):
maybe a Christy Burton Brown, especially concerned moms out there,
because I had that conversation with Aaron Lee one hundred
percent of the time, for whatever reason, it's the mother
wanting to trans the kid, not the dad, not Ustin Gonzalez.
Speaker 3 (35:01):
That's not meant to be sexist, that's just the way
it is.
Speaker 4 (35:04):
If we put a ballot initiative on this topic on
the November ballad, either this year or next, I guarantee
you the unaffiliateds will come flocking out to support banning
transgender surgeries on kids and especially abusive parents from traffic
in trans housing by proxy for whatever reason it needs
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