Ryan's case of the Mondays, trapped inside his own apartment; Gordon Chang on US-China tariff battle
April 14, 2025 • 35 mins
Often, Ryan tells Shannon how much he envies the freedom the other half of The Detroit Connection has by living in a van and not having to pay rent or a mortgage. Never has that been more true than today, when Ryan found himself marooned in his own apartment unable to escape for work. He explains why.
Gordon Chang, renowned China expert and author provides his perspective on the escalating tariff stand-off between the United States and China and how President Trump must navigate these waters to get freer and fairer trade with China while protecting American ingenuity and manufacturing.
Gordon Chang, renowned China expert and author provides his perspective on the escalating tariff stand-off between the United States and China and how President Trump must navigate these waters to get freer and fairer trade with China while protecting American ingenuity and manufacturing.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You know, I've said this to him directly a few times,
and it comes to mind at very specific times. Ryan
Schuling live back with you. It's a full boat. We
got Shannon Scott on the other side of the glass,
and that's what I'm talking about, and Kelly caachera as well.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
But today was one of those days.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
Shannon leads a very unconventional lifestyle, but in these times
it's really smart.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Shannon.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
When's the last time you had to pay rent or
a mortgage those kinds of expenses.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Slipping somebody cash or something like that. Probably twenty eighteen.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Okay, so it's been a while. It's been a hot minute.
And that's about as long ago as I moved here,
which was November twenty eighteen. And when Chris Farley would
joke as Matt Foley motivational speaker.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
I live in a van down by the river.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Shannon operates his ballgame, his life out of his van,
and it could be down by a river, is it?
Speaker 2 (00:52):
At times? Shannon? You know there's a movie that won
an oscar based on this thing.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Yes, Yes, Francis McDormand was right, Yeah, And what's that
was the title of that movie.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
It's been a couple of years now since that was out.
So it's not for everybody, but it's nomadic and fun. Right.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Well, the reason I'm jealous of Shannon on this day
is because I don't even maybe you can relate to this.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
You know who can relate to the cidey.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Ramiros and for a far more serious reason than what
I had to. But I'm going to leave my apartment
today and as I opened the door, there's police tape.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
I'm like, did I commit a murder? Was I murdered?
Speaker 1 (01:31):
It was like Nick Swartz and I saw him on
Friday Night in Reno nine one one. He would play
the roller skating guy and one of the episodes he
was just sitting there crying on the park lawn going
I was murdered.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
Like no, no, sir, you were not murdered.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
But when you see police line do not cross tate
across the entryway to your apartment door, You're.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Like, okay, what just happened there?
Speaker 1 (01:58):
And I looked down and they were resurface saying the
floors in the hallway outside of my apartment and there's
noise going on, and I'm I gotta go to work here,
And finally the noise stops there, you know, buffing up
the floors or whatever with whatever machinery they were using.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
I couldn't see because couldn't go out there.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
And I said hello, Hello, Hello, it's ok hey, and
kind of the Spanish accent. Guy's working hard whatever, and
I'm like, what do I do here? He's like, oh,
you just did the floors, man, and it's gonna be
like two hours.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Two hours. I don't have two hours.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
This is like eleven fifteen, eleven thirty shows it too.
I normally come in, I'm editing audio, I'm lining up interviews.
So I had to kind of rearrange how I did
things and use some free software downloaded Audacity. I'd normally
come in and use the much more advanced Adobe Audition software.
(02:51):
But when in Rome and Rome was my own territory,
I couldn't leave the apartment. So now I'm thinking through,
you know, kind of order of operation here. Do I
call maintenance? Can they bring me a ladder? Now I
live on the third floor where I'm located, and I'm
looking down going dam at age fifty. I can't survive
that jump. I don't know if I could survive that
jump at age twenty or twenty five, but I wasn't
(03:14):
going to try it at age fifty. And then I
couldn't get through to my apartment front desk or whatever.
Nobody's answering the phone. Nobody's answering the phone and maintenance,
so you know, no ladder rescue coming to get me.
My whole thing was that, you know what if I
was going through a medical emergency, I mean, sorry about
your floors, guy, get to.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Do them all over again. Have ever had anything like
that happen? Kelly?
Speaker 1 (03:36):
Were you living when that was at Purdue or something?
Or some kind of construction outside where you were living
was preventing you from leaving your apartment?
Speaker 3 (03:45):
Uh? Just getting snowed in?
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Yeah, that would be one.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
Sure, that happened a couple times, and I couldn't get
to class. So it was and by that time, I
think they might have already canceled them. But of course
you and I had an experience a similar experience in
this building.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Are you talking about geting stuck in the elevator?
Speaker 3 (04:07):
Exactly?
Speaker 2 (04:08):
That wasn't great.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
Janet has not been has not gotten stuck in the elevator.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Well, he's lucky. He can cut himself among the lucky ones.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
You got rescued by some buff, attractive, calendar caliber fireman.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
Damn freaking fine.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Yeah, they didn't care about me. You got that blue
phone in there?
Speaker 1 (04:27):
Yeah, ah hey, we'll get to you in a few minutes,
like totally night and day.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
How these two incidences were handled.
Speaker 4 (04:32):
Well, I got rescued by four Yeah, oh yeah, very hunky, mental.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
My lady, would you care to step up? Do you
need us to lift you? Yes? I need you to
lift me.
Speaker 5 (04:42):
No.
Speaker 4 (04:42):
They actually took my hand, one of them, because like
the elevator had gone up a few inches, and so
they did want me to trip coming down, So one
of them actually took my hand.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
They couldn't care less for me. I need to do
like a barrel roll coming up there, all right, yeah,
all right, by and damsel in distress over here, Kelly Cacira. Yeah,
they moved heaving on earth to get her out of
the elevator. But yeah, so you know, typical case of
the Mondays there, I guess five seven seven three nine.
If you have a case of the Mondays, let us know.
(05:13):
We'll commiserate and we'll compare notes on that. Get some
texts before we get to the breakdown of this Trump
oval office extraordinaire Alexis says, a couple of stabbings over
the weekend in Denver, when will pol us in the
Colorado Democratic Legislature add new laws for people to register
their knives and attend a twelve hour training course on
knife safety. Well, the further point to that, as you
(05:36):
might recall Kelly in Rifle, Colorado, Lauren Bobert now representative
out of the fourth district, previously in the third and
before she ran for office, ran a restaurant there that
was open.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
Kerry correct, you are correct? Yeah, okay?
Speaker 1 (05:52):
And what my question would be that in Rifle, Colorado
that was legal in that establishment? How was the gun
crime there? How was the crime in general there? Over
the numbers?
Speaker 4 (06:03):
Well, I can tell you from traveling all over usually
it is the open carry states.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
The crime is very low, very low.
Speaker 6 (06:13):
Right.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
And what are the gun laws in Denver County downtown
Denver very restrictive?
Speaker 2 (06:18):
Right?
Speaker 3 (06:18):
Yeah, not great.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
You can't concealed.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
Carrier Downlifornia, just like the other hold.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
On again, drive in at the point here, you cannot
conceal Carrie in Denver County or downtown Denver. Correct, Kelly
you cannot, you cannot, Okay, how are the crime levels
in Denver downtown? So that one unfortunate woman decided to
come out here, remember from Dia, and go to the
(06:45):
sixteenth Street mall where she was, Yeah, then subsequently.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Stab to death with a knife. Yes, what if that
woman had been armed? Well, then I'm just saying.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
Then you bring again.
Speaker 4 (06:59):
This goes to the old analogy bringing a gun to
a nice thank.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
You very much to a gun. Fin you don't do
that one. You don't do that one.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
It isn't and of a self a deterrent and those
who are trained, this is the key element. You know,
to get a concealed weapons permit, you have to go
through paperwork and training and registration, that sort of thing.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
And that's fine, that's fine.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
That is an added on benefit to your Second Amendment rights.
And it's dictated by any various locale, state, et cetera.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
And I'm okay with that.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
But that barrier to entry is something that's elective and
you can choose to do with the additional training. And
how many times do we have accidental shootings by those
who are trained to carry a concealed weapon. It is
exceedingly rare, and in fact, there are far more instances
and examples of.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
Good guy, good gal with a gun stopping.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
What could have turned into a massive tragedy with a
loan gunman and taking that target out, neutralizing that target.
One of the things you're trained in those kinds of
instructive classes is that the last thing you want to
do is get into an armed confrontation where you're exchanging fire.
You know, the first course of resort is to remove
(08:12):
yourself from the situation. At Leland, Conway talks about this.
He gives these types of training courses. But the problem
I have going back to the first hour, is that
now if you want to purchase any semi automatic weapon
in the state of Colorado as of August twenty twenty six,
you are required mandatory to take a training course as
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an obstacle to the purchase of that weapon, and you
are required to pay for it out of pocket yourself.
This is a discriminatory law of diminishing returns. It is
a regressive law in that it strikes at those who
are lower income, who may live in higher crime areas,
who may then require more personal protection from a firearm.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
Now you are.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
Creating even heavier burden for that individual to obtain their
lawfully constitutional right given.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
Right to bear arms.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
And it doesn't even say for protection, you just have
a right to carry and bear arms. And the fact
that the Colorado Legislature and aided and abetted by Governor
Jared Poulis, just signed this into law and Willie Nelly
and did you see this, Kelly? Over the weekend, Jared Poulis,
he tried to kind of hamhandedly explain himself on x
(09:34):
in several posts about why he signed this bill, why
it's not that big a deal, and why you shouldn't
be that worried about it. He got ratioed into the
sun on each and everyone, meaning there were more comments
to his posts than there were retweets or likes of
his posts. So this is a losing battle for him
politically and otherwise. And it just it doesn't track, and
(09:56):
it doesn't make sense for a guy that allegedly had
political as aspirations at the presidential level. Okay, your statement
about concealed Carrie in Denver County is wrong. I believe Kelly,
you have concealed Carrie, right, my husband does.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
Okay, Adam does.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
So you've told me time and again that when you
guys go downtown, he's he can't carry it right, correct.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
Okay, well we'll get clarifications establishments.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
No, but on the streets of Denver you're walking around.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
Well, I'm not going to say over the radio whether.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
She no, no, no, I'm not asking of to incriminate himself.
But is it legal is my question.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
I'll have to look that up. I do not believe
it is in this in this city.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
Yeah, that's right, all right, Well we'll look into that.
Alexis says Kelly has a story where she used to
live in the police.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
Yes or no?
Speaker 1 (10:48):
I mean Alexis said that about you.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
You're drawing a blank.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
I'm seeing what Alexis says, Kelly has a story about
where she used to live in the police.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Is that an Aurora?
Speaker 3 (11:01):
Oh, she might be talking about California.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
Okay, well we'll get back to that. We'll circle back stuff. Yeah,
get some more texts here five seven to seven, three nine. Ryan,
not to mention once you get the certificates jumped up
on me, you have to wait five years before you
can purchase a firearm.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
WHOA, I was not aware of that, Ryan.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
I love Greg Lopez and all those other candidates you've mentioned,
but the only thing turning Colorado read again will have
to be an asteroid.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
My dad has a case of those.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
I stole that. That's from National Lampoon's vacation. That's a
great line, though.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
D have asked, right, my dad does? We're children here? Yeah,
but we have fun. We have fun.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Kimberly says, I lived in rifle from September to January
now Grand Junction by I am in rifle daily, and
in my experience it is not overly safe. I open
and could steal carry good for you and support to
a as it was intended. But I felt say for
being downtown Denver than in rifle WHOA. I would like
to have a little bit more detail as to why
(12:08):
that would be. I've always got my head on a
swivel when I'm downtown Denver. You know, you want to
be aware of your surroundings, your parameter. You look around left,
you look around right. You never, you know, let that
blind spot go too long directly behind you. So I'm
always kind of cautiously aware of what's going on. And
(12:28):
there's things that we've seen downtown Denver that I think
bear that kind of watching and specific attention to it.
Ask the next guest host about the gun. Yeah, there
you go, CHERF Steve Reeves, he's coming in. He might
even text me right now, but yeah, he is filling
in for Dan Camplas, so he'll know. And I think
there's a little bit difference probably in terms of what
(12:50):
you do with your guns in Weld County versus Denver County.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
There's also a difference in the crime rates between the two.
That's interesting.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
I am concealed Carrie in jeff COO and I've been
in denco again. You know right to not incriminate yourself,
but is that legal? Those are the questions we'll have
for Steve Reims immediately upon his arrival. So, yeah, people
getting stabby on the sixteenth Street Mall, all we got
to do all that Mayor Mike Johnson did.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
He paid six figures to do.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
This is change the name from sixteenth Street Mall to
sixteenth Street Kelly.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
That's it. Just get rid of the mall.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
It's just sixteenth Streets the experience and that should that
should clean it up.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
We're all good to go. Five seven, seven, three nine.
You could send your text along as well.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
I wanted to make sure to get back to our
Trump's hot takes, which I kind of consolidated in our installment,
but I want to get into a little bit more detail.
Right here, he's sitting down with the President l Salvador,
Naive bu Kayley, who has dramatically reduced crime numbers in
El Salvador and has been a willing partner accepting back
(14:01):
natives of Ille Salvador with ties to MS thirteen gang members, etc.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
And yet the media won't let go of this.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
This guy in Maryland apparently, and they're painting him as
this hard working father. I don't know his entire story.
What I do know is that Stephen Miller claims that
there are two separate courts who have ruled that he
did have suspected ties to m S thirteen and further
to that point, more importantly, he was here illegally. He's
not a legal American citizen. He does not have legal
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status in this country. He's a native of Ille Salvador.
If we deport him to El Salvador, that's the end
of the game, folks. That's like me, I'm an American.
I show up in Poland or Hungary or wherever Italy.
I don't know, and they determine that I'm an American citizen,
I don't have legal status in their country, and they
want to depart me and I go back to the
United States. I don't have any legal bearing or basis
(14:53):
to say no, I get to stay.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
No, I don't like.
Speaker 1 (14:59):
I'm an American in a foreign land when in Rome
played by the rules. Here is a portion of that
meeting between Trump and Bukeley.
Speaker 7 (15:08):
Actually, what you're doing with the borders remarkable as drug
what ninety five percent?
Speaker 8 (15:14):
It's murder, okay, as this morning, ninety nine ninety.
Speaker 7 (15:19):
Nine point one percent.
Speaker 9 (15:20):
To be exactly, what.
Speaker 7 (15:21):
Are those numbers not on the media, Well, they get
out with the fake news, you know, like CNN over here,
doesn't want to put them out because they don't like,
they don't like putting.
Speaker 9 (15:30):
Out good numbers. They don't like putting in because I
think they hate our country.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
Actually, yeah, this isn't But it's a shame. You're right,
isn't that a great question?
Speaker 7 (15:38):
Why doesn't immediate Why don't they put out numbers? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Nine percent?
Speaker 8 (15:42):
I mean, it's like it's crazy, right, we're doing.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
It is crazy. But Dana bash, oh, this ruffled her.
Feathers quite a bit. This was her anchoring the coverage
on CNN immediately after this Oval Office comment from President
Trump saying CNN won't report the positive number on the
border because they hate our country.
Speaker 10 (16:02):
Jeff Sealanie, I want to start with you, you are at.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
The White House.
Speaker 10 (16:06):
Before I get to you, I just want to say,
for the record, since we heard President Trump say in
the Oval Office that CNN hates our country, CNN does
not hate our country. That should go without saying. I've
been here for thirty two years, and I see a
rhetorical device in him trying to say such a thing.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
Kelly, does Dana Bash make it better or worse for
CNN by saying what she said right there to.
Speaker 4 (16:36):
Refeuw Trump absolutely worse because why would you redirect attention
to it? Just let it go and go on with
your broadcast. But by doing that, now everybody has a
SoundBite saying we have to defend ourselves and say CNN
doesn't really does love America.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
The fact that you have to explain it, or feel
compelled that you need to explain it, I think is
an indictment in and of itself. If people couldn't go Oh,
that's just Trump. I mean, CNN's fine, they love our country,
but she knows that the perceptions out there that they
are fake news, that they are hostile not just to
the Trump administration, but to America itself.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
And there is no other explanation.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
If you're fighting this hard for those who are here
illegally to stay here, I'm sorry. That's do not pass go,
do not collect two hundred dollars, Go directly to whatever
country you came from, not jail, not necessarily jail, but
you don't have a right to be here. And if
you don't go through the proper channels, I don't have
a lot of sympathy for you, because there are many
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immigrants with amazing stories to tell, including my own mother
and my grandparents, including Greg Lopez's parents. He is a
first generation American. We are the ones that seem to
have the strongest feelings on this issue. Cuban Americans who
have come here the right way, why do they vote
Republican overwhelmingly? Why Because they fled communism and they know
(18:02):
what leftism looks like, and they want whatever is the
opposite of that, which to them is voting Republican. Marco
Rubio does a really good job.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
This is the thing. It's not just Trump.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
He has got a batting lineup behind him in his
cabinet that is just an all star caliber team.
Speaker 6 (18:19):
He's the sick people.
Speaker 11 (18:21):
I think, Yeah, I mean Stephen Ilin. I don't understand
what the education is. This individual is a citizen Absavagor.
He was illegally in the United States and was returned
to this country. That's where you deport people back to
their country of origin.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
Except for Venezuela.
Speaker 11 (18:35):
Woman's refusing to.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
Take people back.
Speaker 9 (18:37):
This is like that.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
I can tell you this, mister President.
Speaker 11 (18:40):
No, the forign policy of the United States is conducted
by the President of the United States, not by a court,
and no court in the United States has a right
to conduct the foreign policy in the United States.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
Is that something exactly right?
Speaker 1 (18:51):
Here are these eighty twenty issues, including the terriffs on
China and trying to level the playing field on trade
with China. An expert on that subject, Gordon Chang, joins
us here in this Monday edition of Ryan Schuling Live.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Keep it locked in.
Speaker 6 (19:03):
Right here, base off out to our communications in China,
as presid she reached out at all since well, I don't.
Speaker 7 (19:13):
Want to say who's reached out.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
I just say that I think.
Speaker 7 (19:16):
I think it's going to work out hopefully well. The
very big it's hard to get over if you're me,
the what they've done to our country. They've destroyed our
economic base to a large extent. The goodness is we're
very vibrant, and we're going to get it back fast.
We already have. Look, we're making two billion dollars a
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day now and doing Biden, we were losing three billion
dollars a day. Biden was a disaster. Here's the worst
president in the history of our country. And you know,
to me, worse than that, because the money you can
make if you have the right guy.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
In this position.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
President Trump asked last week if President She of China
had reached out to him directly for bilateral talks when
it comes to this escalating trade war on tariff's percentages,
et cetera. And Donald Trump didn't want to tip his hand,
didn't want to comment specifically about that, only to say, quote,
I think it's going to work out hopefully well with China.
Speaker 5 (20:18):
Well.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
Our next guest literally wrote the book on China and
several books as a matter of fact, and You can
find his latest plan read China's Project to Destroy America
on Amazon or your favorite bookstore as well. He is
Gordon Shang and he joins us here on Ryan Schuling Live.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
Gordon. Welcome back.
Speaker 5 (20:35):
Well, thank you so much.
Speaker 7 (20:36):
Ryan.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
There's so much that has happened since last we spoke,
with this tariff war against China that is still ongoing.
There was talk as well about President Trump putting a
pause at least on the electronics those tariffs against China,
which in my mind, based on my conversations with you,
would be kind of taking the fangs, the teeth out
of the tariffs that might hurt China the most.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
Where do you evaluate worth.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
Things stand right now on trade with China and where
should President Trump go from here?
Speaker 5 (21:05):
Well, first of all, the Chinese were very happy that
President Trump gave the exemption to electronic goods, and not
just because they want to sell more to the US.
It's because they took it as a sign that Trump
was caving into them. And that's the only way they
can win this trade war is if Trump, who holds
all the high cards, decides to preemptively surrender. But I
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think the Chinese are overestimating what happened or misunderstanding, because
what Trump is going to do is to put probably
phased tariffs on electronic goods to get Apple and other
companies to move their supply chains out of China. So
I don't think Beijing is going to like what happens.
You know, the Chinese may be happy right now, and
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they may be growing, but I don't think that they're
going to be that happy a couple days from now.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
Kind of building on the point you just made, and
you can follow him on exit Gordon g Chang Gordon,
was that, like you said, you want to on shore
maybe a lot of this production or recalibrate it to
other allies.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
In the region.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
You and I have spoken about that, whether it's Taiwan
or South Korea, Japan, the Philippines, et cetera. But yet
we don't necessarily have the infrastructure in place right now
to make that happen. So in your view, did Trump
get ahead of himself maybe with these tariffs against.
Speaker 5 (22:20):
China, that's a possibility. I mean, he's attracted, you know,
more than a trillion dollars of big investments from foreign companies,
and we probably don't have all the people to staff them.
Such as the five fabs that TSMC, the Taiwanese semiconductor company,
has promised to build north of Phoenix. We probably don't
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have the workforce for that now. But you know, you
can't do this perfectly, and so you neither need to
have the people or you need to have the investments.
And I think the investments are going to basically get
us to get the education and their anything else necessary
to staff these facilities. I think though, that at the
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end of the day, we're going to do very well
because big companies are making enormous investments in the United States,
and not just in good set aren't that important in
semiconductors and in other things that we absolutely need.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
The markets have been very mercurial, to say the least,
since Trump announced these tariff regimes, not just against China,
but the ninety day pause he enacted that in the
wake of announcing these reciprocal tariffs against a lot of
our trade partners and allies. But today the markets up slightly,
both the dal Jones and the S and P five
hundred as well as the Nasdaq. And this comment from
(23:43):
Kevin O'Leary when he appeared on CNN harken back once
against who's conversations I've had with Gordon Chang who joins
us now.
Speaker 8 (23:51):
It says not about tariffs anymore. Nobody has taken on
China yet, not the Europeans, no administration for decades. As
someone who who actually does business there, I've had enough.
I speak for millions of Americans who have ip that
have been stolen by the Chinese. I have nothing against
the Chinese people. They've brought great literacy, art, and tech
(24:15):
to the world. The government cheats and steals, and finally,
an administration.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
You may not like Trump, you may not like his
style or his rhetoric.
Speaker 8 (24:25):
Finally an administration that puts up and says enough.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
And Gordon, as you've told us, this entire dance that
we've done with China goes back more than fifty years
when President Nixon opened those doors, I think in a
well intentioned effort to bring China into the mainstream when
it comes to the world markets, getting the most Favored
Nation status as well, and considering them a developing nation.
But as you and I both know, China's developed now,
(24:51):
they might not develop in the way that we, as
a Western country would acknowledge to be kind of where
things should be in terms of individual rights, liberties, workers
right now, etc. But they are a well oiled economic
machine that is dominating the world stage in many ways.
So why has it been so long in the process
before an American president like Donald Trump has been willing
(25:12):
to step up pay the political price, And there certainly
is one in terms of political capital spent to enlist
this kind of interaction with China, get them a negotiating table,
and try to bring more fair trade to the overall
picture than we've had ever really with China.
Speaker 5 (25:30):
Yeah, that's a great question, and I think that's because
we've had a couple of week presidents both parties, by
the way, presidents who knew what to say, but just
weren't willing to expend the political capital to do what
is right. I'm thinking of, for instance, President Obama talking
about how we needed to protect American workers, but did
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very little to do that when it came to China.
Even Trump forty five was sufficient in many things. Seeing
Trump forty seven, though, remedy that, and I think that's great.
We finally have a person who does what he says
he'll do, and that has been so rare. So, you know,
I think we should be celebrating this. As Kevin Olary said,
(26:15):
we may not like Trump's style, but at least we
got a president who is now serious about protecting the
American economy and more particularly the American worker from predatory
and criminal Chinese trade practices.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
Final question, Gordon Chang our guests, and again you can
find his books. They're plural, but the latest plan read
China's Project to Destroy America, was released October one of
last year. That's on Amazon and follow him at Gordon
g Chang. I'm trying to kind of anticipate where this
might go, Gordon, and whether the tariffs in and of
themselves can be enough to browbeat China into submission. As
(26:52):
you mentioned, when you surrender on the electronics front, you're
kind of giving up the game in that instance. I
was disappointed when President Trump did that, but I'm willing
to let this play out. But we've seen advisors within
his own cabinet, whether it was Scott Bessen or even
Elon Musk commenting on what we will use the tariffs
as a cudgel, kind of carrot in the stick approach,
and we want to get trade to a fair level.
(27:14):
And I'm on board with that, but then you also
have maybe more of the populist winning of his own cabinet.
Howard Lutnick, the Secretary of Commerce, Peter Navarro, an advisor
who has disagreed and said, no, the arrfort should be
slapped on, they should be kept on, and they'll be
good for the American economy long term. What say you
when he comes to the practical effect of these tariffs,
how long they might stay in place, and what effect
(27:37):
they might have long term?
Speaker 5 (27:39):
The tariff pause is going to give the Trump administration
the time to actually negotiate trade arrangements but are more
favorable to the US. You know, they talk about one
hundred and thirty countries wanting to come and do a
deal with us. We will have the time to actually
stitch together better arrangements. That's going to leave China out
in the cole. China's very intransigent right now for a
(28:02):
number of reasons. I think that they're going to overplay
their hand and they're not going to do what they
should do, which is to pick up the phone, call
President Trump and try to work out a deal. Sijimping
for various reasons, can't do that because he's configured the
Chinese political system so that only the most hostile answers
are considered acceptable. China's going to be hurt by this.
(28:24):
Sigem Ping could take China.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
Off the cliffs. Gordon g. Chang.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
That's where you can find him on x and of
course he does many television appearances on this topic of China,
which is so much front and center on the world
stage when it comes to trade in tariffs, and we
love having his opinion his input. Always learn a lot
when you're on the program. Gordon, thank you so much
for your time and we'll talk again soon.
Speaker 5 (28:46):
Well, thank you, Ryan, I really appreciate.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
It, Gordon Chang, your thoughts at five seven, seven thirty nine.
It is kind of a multifaceted approach and response that
we've seen, and it doesn't necessarily align along political lines
traditional ones. I just saw Sean uaw President and it's
a good thing. He was on with Simone Sanders on
MSNBC defending the Trump tariffs when it comes to the
(29:08):
automobile industry. Gretchen Whitmer tried to cover her face with
a folder in the Oval office. But I'm telling you
right now, the people that I know back home where
I originate from Michigan and the auto workers, the auto industry,
the Big Three. They want Donald Trump to wage this
battle to try to level the playing field for American
(29:28):
cars to permeate other markets so that they're on a
level playing field. There's a reason why foreign countries are
not buying American vehicles, and it's not just their inferior
from a manufacturing design standpoint. There is a barrier to
entry into those markets based on these very oppressive tariffs
that even our trade allies are imposing on us. The
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Trump tariffs ideally are going to get us to a
place where the consumers in these other countries Germany, Japan,
throughout Europe, entries that should be allied with us in
terms of trade and purchasing our goods and services, will
be more inclined, more incentivized to buy American automobiles. And
that has not been the case for better than forty years.
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We'll take this time out wrapping up with your text
five seven seven three nine on Ryan Schuling Live.
Speaker 12 (30:17):
After this, do you ask me what was going through
your mind at that moment, And it was I don't
want my picture taken, That's all it was. I kind
of wish I hadn't put my folder up in front
of my face, but whatever, you know, I was there, Queen.
I just wrote a book about learning to laugh at yourself,
so I'm pretty good at it. And we all meet,
(30:38):
you know, we all have our moments.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
Oh gosh, sheet his slips right into that Michigander accent
to sound all like down to earth and stuff. Governor
Gretcha Whitmer, I'm so proud of her, so really very
proud that. The question, Kelly is, had Governor Whitmer gone
to visit Joe Biden in the White House, would she
have put a folder in front of her face to
avoid having her picture taken? Uh?
Speaker 3 (31:02):
That would be a hard note.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
So if that's the test, that that's the algebra of
the equation, if that's the variable compared to the constant,
then she really didn't want that optic, that photo op
of her being in the Oval Office making nights with Trump.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
But what I think is lost is for her, she's not.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
Really following the Gavin Knew some example of coming to
the middle and really winning back, you know, the undecided
vote in America. Bill Maher, on the other hand, he
went on his show and told all about Hey, I
felt more comfortable around President Trump than I did for
either Clinton or Obama, who.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
I voted for.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
So I thought that was interesting that he gave an
honest account of what was going on there.
Speaker 4 (31:40):
And she also went there to plead for Michiganders, which
is fine, which is great.
Speaker 3 (31:49):
So what's her problem?
Speaker 2 (31:50):
I don't know. Just have the photo taken? Oh gosh, shucks,
you know.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
I just didn't want to have me my picture taken anyway,
Honor Steve Raams, Here we goes we do now? Greg
Lopez joined me earlier in the show. He announced his
candidacy for the office. Will you do the same right now? No,
you will not. Okay, that was an easy.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
One, Sheriff Steve Raams. He still is for World County here.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
I did have a question, and you may have heard
us talking about this concealed Carrie, if you have one,
can you carry concealed in Denver County?
Speaker 9 (32:27):
To your knowledge, Yes you can, Okay, But it's a
trick question because if you'll remember, I think it was
the last legislative session of the one before where our
illustrious governor signed another really bad gun bill that said
every municipality, every governmental entity can create their own gun law.
So you have this patchwork of gun laws across the state,
(32:49):
and in Denver they've basically made it illegal for you
to take your gun in any public building or park.
They have some restricted spaces, so you're kind of even
in the city and of Denver, you're working on a
patchwork there where you can take a gun legally and
where you can.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
See almost literally you have to play hopscotch going around
Denver where you could carry and then you can't carry here.
Speaker 9 (33:09):
Yeah, and it's it's not just in Denver. It's that
way in a lot of places in the state. You know,
I would assume that Boulders not very friendly to conceal
carry either. So what about World County. We're totally good
with it. YEA twenty seven thousand plus concealed permit carriers
can't be wrong.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
No, I don't think so either. So you're here fighting
for our constitutional rights. You were fired up as it
didn't surprise me at all about this gun grab bill.
Speaker 9 (33:34):
Yeah, you know, I went on with Dan last week
and we talked about Governor Polus, your your favorite governor,
signing this bill, and yeah, ticked off is probably an
understatement I still am. You know this is this is
one of the worst bills, if not the worst bill
I've ever seen, not just in what it does, but
how poorly constructed, is how hard it is for people
(33:56):
to read and understand, and it just it's lacking so much.
If you were to grade a bill and say, can
this bill pass? If it's not at least see, you know,
see work worthy, this thing would never make it. I
mean it's it's an f all the way through for
a whole lot of reasons.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
Well, he's fired up, and he's filling in for Dan Kaplis,
and you have a cornycopia of guests on tap. Tell
the people what they can expect over these next two hours.
Speaker 9 (34:21):
Well, you know, Dan had his promo coming in talking
about the governor's race and can Michael Bennett possibly win?
And so we're going to kind of continue with that theme.
We're gonna we're gonna play a little game in the
in the couple hours I get to cover, we'll talk
about political chess match and what it looks like on
the Democrat side, what it looks like on the Republican side.
And then I think it's only fair the listeners have
(34:43):
an opportunity to call in and talk about send a
bill twenty five Dashold three. I'll answer as many questions
as I can. I know there's a ton of them
out there. So we got a couple of hours, you know.
We we'll line up calls, we take texts and answer
a bunch of that stuff. And then of course we'll
have some guests coming on. Jarvis Caldwell, state Rep. And
State Senator Barb Kokmeyer is going to be on, and
(35:03):
then Ian Escalante from Rocky Mountain gun Owners as well.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
The only thing I ask is if and when you
decide there's a next step for you politically, will you
announce it here on Ryan Schuling Live.
Speaker 9 (35:14):
If I have a big announcement to make, Ryan, you
will definitely be one of the first questions I call.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
Okay, one of all right, I'll take that. I'll take that.
Sheriff Steve Raims World County. He is one of the best.
I consider him my personal sheriff.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
That's nothing against a rap hole County, but I just
feel a little bit easier with Sheriff Steve Raams at
the helm and he will be for Dan Caplis coming
up between four and six. As he mentioned, you can
call and ask him a question about your rights, constitutional
and otherwise, and text him those questions as well at
five seven seven three nine. That'll do it for me
from here for now until tomorrow. I'll talk to you
then on Ryan Schuling Live
You know, I've said this to him directly a few times,
and it comes to mind at very specific times. Ryan
Schuling live back with you. It's a full boat. We
got Shannon Scott on the other side of the glass,
and that's what I'm talking about, and Kelly caachera as well.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
But today was one of those days.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
Shannon leads a very unconventional lifestyle, but in these times
it's really smart.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Shannon.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
When's the last time you had to pay rent or
a mortgage those kinds of expenses.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Slipping somebody cash or something like that. Probably twenty eighteen.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Okay, so it's been a while. It's been a hot minute.
And that's about as long ago as I moved here,
which was November twenty eighteen. And when Chris Farley would
joke as Matt Foley motivational speaker.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
I live in a van down by the river.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Shannon operates his ballgame, his life out of his van,
and it could be down by a river, is it?
Speaker 2 (00:52):
At times? Shannon? You know there's a movie that won
an oscar based on this thing.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Yes, Yes, Francis McDormand was right, Yeah, And what's that
was the title of that movie.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
It's been a couple of years now since that was out.
So it's not for everybody, but it's nomadic and fun. Right.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Well, the reason I'm jealous of Shannon on this day
is because I don't even maybe you can relate to this.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
You know who can relate to the cidey.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Ramiros and for a far more serious reason than what
I had to. But I'm going to leave my apartment
today and as I opened the door, there's police tape.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
I'm like, did I commit a murder? Was I murdered?
Speaker 1 (01:31):
It was like Nick Swartz and I saw him on
Friday Night in Reno nine one one. He would play
the roller skating guy and one of the episodes he
was just sitting there crying on the park lawn going
I was murdered.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
Like no, no, sir, you were not murdered.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
But when you see police line do not cross tate
across the entryway to your apartment door, You're.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Like, okay, what just happened there?
Speaker 1 (01:58):
And I looked down and they were resurface saying the
floors in the hallway outside of my apartment and there's
noise going on, and I'm I gotta go to work here,
And finally the noise stops there, you know, buffing up
the floors or whatever with whatever machinery they were using.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
I couldn't see because couldn't go out there.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
And I said hello, Hello, Hello, it's ok hey, and
kind of the Spanish accent. Guy's working hard whatever, and
I'm like, what do I do here? He's like, oh,
you just did the floors, man, and it's gonna be
like two hours.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Two hours. I don't have two hours.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
This is like eleven fifteen, eleven thirty shows it too.
I normally come in, I'm editing audio, I'm lining up interviews.
So I had to kind of rearrange how I did
things and use some free software downloaded Audacity. I'd normally
come in and use the much more advanced Adobe Audition software.
(02:51):
But when in Rome and Rome was my own territory,
I couldn't leave the apartment. So now I'm thinking through,
you know, kind of order of operation here. Do I
call maintenance? Can they bring me a ladder? Now I
live on the third floor where I'm located, and I'm
looking down going dam at age fifty. I can't survive
that jump. I don't know if I could survive that
jump at age twenty or twenty five, but I wasn't
(03:14):
going to try it at age fifty. And then I
couldn't get through to my apartment front desk or whatever.
Nobody's answering the phone. Nobody's answering the phone and maintenance,
so you know, no ladder rescue coming to get me.
My whole thing was that, you know what if I
was going through a medical emergency, I mean, sorry about
your floors, guy, get to.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Do them all over again. Have ever had anything like
that happen? Kelly?
Speaker 1 (03:36):
Were you living when that was at Purdue or something?
Or some kind of construction outside where you were living
was preventing you from leaving your apartment?
Speaker 3 (03:45):
Uh? Just getting snowed in?
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Yeah, that would be one.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
Sure, that happened a couple times, and I couldn't get
to class. So it was and by that time, I
think they might have already canceled them. But of course
you and I had an experience a similar experience in
this building.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Are you talking about geting stuck in the elevator?
Speaker 3 (04:07):
Exactly?
Speaker 2 (04:08):
That wasn't great.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
Janet has not been has not gotten stuck in the elevator.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Well, he's lucky. He can cut himself among the lucky ones.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
You got rescued by some buff, attractive, calendar caliber fireman.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
Damn freaking fine.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Yeah, they didn't care about me. You got that blue
phone in there?
Speaker 1 (04:27):
Yeah, ah hey, we'll get to you in a few minutes,
like totally night and day.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
How these two incidences were handled.
Speaker 4 (04:32):
Well, I got rescued by four Yeah, oh yeah, very hunky, mental.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
My lady, would you care to step up? Do you
need us to lift you? Yes? I need you to
lift me.
Speaker 5 (04:42):
No.
Speaker 4 (04:42):
They actually took my hand, one of them, because like
the elevator had gone up a few inches, and so
they did want me to trip coming down, So one
of them actually took my hand.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
They couldn't care less for me. I need to do
like a barrel roll coming up there, all right, yeah,
all right, by and damsel in distress over here, Kelly Cacira. Yeah,
they moved heaving on earth to get her out of
the elevator. But yeah, so you know, typical case of
the Mondays there, I guess five seven seven three nine.
If you have a case of the Mondays, let us know.
(05:13):
We'll commiserate and we'll compare notes on that. Get some
texts before we get to the breakdown of this Trump
oval office extraordinaire Alexis says, a couple of stabbings over
the weekend in Denver, when will pol us in the
Colorado Democratic Legislature add new laws for people to register
their knives and attend a twelve hour training course on
knife safety. Well, the further point to that, as you
(05:36):
might recall Kelly in Rifle, Colorado, Lauren Bobert now representative
out of the fourth district, previously in the third and
before she ran for office, ran a restaurant there that
was open.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
Kerry correct, you are correct? Yeah, okay?
Speaker 1 (05:52):
And what my question would be that in Rifle, Colorado
that was legal in that establishment? How was the gun
crime there? How was the crime in general there? Over
the numbers?
Speaker 4 (06:03):
Well, I can tell you from traveling all over usually
it is the open carry states.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
The crime is very low, very low.
Speaker 6 (06:13):
Right.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
And what are the gun laws in Denver County downtown
Denver very restrictive?
Speaker 2 (06:18):
Right?
Speaker 3 (06:18):
Yeah, not great.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
You can't concealed.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
Carrier Downlifornia, just like the other hold.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
On again, drive in at the point here, you cannot
conceal Carrie in Denver County or downtown Denver. Correct, Kelly
you cannot, you cannot, Okay, how are the crime levels
in Denver downtown? So that one unfortunate woman decided to
come out here, remember from Dia, and go to the
(06:45):
sixteenth Street mall where she was, Yeah, then subsequently.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Stab to death with a knife. Yes, what if that
woman had been armed? Well, then I'm just saying.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
Then you bring again.
Speaker 4 (06:59):
This goes to the old analogy bringing a gun to
a nice thank.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
You very much to a gun. Fin you don't do
that one. You don't do that one.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
It isn't and of a self a deterrent and those
who are trained, this is the key element. You know,
to get a concealed weapons permit, you have to go
through paperwork and training and registration, that sort of thing.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
And that's fine, that's fine.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
That is an added on benefit to your Second Amendment rights.
And it's dictated by any various locale, state, et cetera.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
And I'm okay with that.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
But that barrier to entry is something that's elective and
you can choose to do with the additional training. And
how many times do we have accidental shootings by those
who are trained to carry a concealed weapon. It is
exceedingly rare, and in fact, there are far more instances
and examples of.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
Good guy, good gal with a gun stopping.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
What could have turned into a massive tragedy with a
loan gunman and taking that target out, neutralizing that target.
One of the things you're trained in those kinds of
instructive classes is that the last thing you want to
do is get into an armed confrontation where you're exchanging fire.
You know, the first course of resort is to remove
(08:12):
yourself from the situation. At Leland, Conway talks about this.
He gives these types of training courses. But the problem
I have going back to the first hour, is that
now if you want to purchase any semi automatic weapon
in the state of Colorado as of August twenty twenty six,
you are required mandatory to take a training course as
(08:34):
an obstacle to the purchase of that weapon, and you
are required to pay for it out of pocket yourself.
This is a discriminatory law of diminishing returns. It is
a regressive law in that it strikes at those who
are lower income, who may live in higher crime areas,
who may then require more personal protection from a firearm.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
Now you are.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
Creating even heavier burden for that individual to obtain their
lawfully constitutional right given.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
Right to bear arms.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
And it doesn't even say for protection, you just have
a right to carry and bear arms. And the fact
that the Colorado Legislature and aided and abetted by Governor
Jared Poulis, just signed this into law and Willie Nelly
and did you see this, Kelly? Over the weekend, Jared Poulis,
he tried to kind of hamhandedly explain himself on x
(09:34):
in several posts about why he signed this bill, why
it's not that big a deal, and why you shouldn't
be that worried about it. He got ratioed into the
sun on each and everyone, meaning there were more comments
to his posts than there were retweets or likes of
his posts. So this is a losing battle for him
politically and otherwise. And it just it doesn't track, and
(09:56):
it doesn't make sense for a guy that allegedly had
political as aspirations at the presidential level. Okay, your statement
about concealed Carrie in Denver County is wrong. I believe Kelly,
you have concealed Carrie, right, my husband does.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
Okay, Adam does.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
So you've told me time and again that when you
guys go downtown, he's he can't carry it right, correct.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
Okay, well we'll get clarifications establishments.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
No, but on the streets of Denver you're walking around.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
Well, I'm not going to say over the radio whether.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
She no, no, no, I'm not asking of to incriminate himself.
But is it legal is my question.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
I'll have to look that up. I do not believe
it is in this in this city.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
Yeah, that's right, all right, Well we'll look into that.
Alexis says Kelly has a story where she used to
live in the police.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
Yes or no?
Speaker 1 (10:48):
I mean Alexis said that about you.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
You're drawing a blank.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
I'm seeing what Alexis says, Kelly has a story about
where she used to live in the police.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Is that an Aurora?
Speaker 3 (11:01):
Oh, she might be talking about California.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
Okay, well we'll get back to that. We'll circle back stuff. Yeah,
get some more texts here five seven to seven, three nine. Ryan,
not to mention once you get the certificates jumped up
on me, you have to wait five years before you
can purchase a firearm.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
WHOA, I was not aware of that, Ryan.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
I love Greg Lopez and all those other candidates you've mentioned,
but the only thing turning Colorado read again will have
to be an asteroid.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
My dad has a case of those.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
I stole that. That's from National Lampoon's vacation. That's a
great line, though.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
D have asked, right, my dad does? We're children here? Yeah,
but we have fun. We have fun.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Kimberly says, I lived in rifle from September to January
now Grand Junction by I am in rifle daily, and
in my experience it is not overly safe. I open
and could steal carry good for you and support to
a as it was intended. But I felt say for
being downtown Denver than in rifle WHOA. I would like
to have a little bit more detail as to why
(12:08):
that would be. I've always got my head on a
swivel when I'm downtown Denver. You know, you want to
be aware of your surroundings, your parameter. You look around left,
you look around right. You never, you know, let that
blind spot go too long directly behind you. So I'm
always kind of cautiously aware of what's going on. And
(12:28):
there's things that we've seen downtown Denver that I think
bear that kind of watching and specific attention to it.
Ask the next guest host about the gun. Yeah, there
you go, CHERF Steve Reeves, he's coming in. He might
even text me right now, but yeah, he is filling
in for Dan Camplas, so he'll know. And I think
there's a little bit difference probably in terms of what
(12:50):
you do with your guns in Weld County versus Denver County.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
There's also a difference in the crime rates between the two.
That's interesting.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
I am concealed Carrie in jeff COO and I've been
in denco again. You know right to not incriminate yourself,
but is that legal? Those are the questions we'll have
for Steve Reims immediately upon his arrival. So, yeah, people
getting stabby on the sixteenth Street Mall, all we got
to do all that Mayor Mike Johnson did.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
He paid six figures to do.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
This is change the name from sixteenth Street Mall to
sixteenth Street Kelly.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
That's it. Just get rid of the mall.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
It's just sixteenth Streets the experience and that should that
should clean it up.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
We're all good to go. Five seven, seven, three nine.
You could send your text along as well.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
I wanted to make sure to get back to our
Trump's hot takes, which I kind of consolidated in our installment,
but I want to get into a little bit more detail.
Right here, he's sitting down with the President l Salvador,
Naive bu Kayley, who has dramatically reduced crime numbers in
El Salvador and has been a willing partner accepting back
(14:01):
natives of Ille Salvador with ties to MS thirteen gang members, etc.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
And yet the media won't let go of this.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
This guy in Maryland apparently, and they're painting him as
this hard working father. I don't know his entire story.
What I do know is that Stephen Miller claims that
there are two separate courts who have ruled that he
did have suspected ties to m S thirteen and further
to that point, more importantly, he was here illegally. He's
not a legal American citizen. He does not have legal
(14:30):
status in this country. He's a native of Ille Salvador.
If we deport him to El Salvador, that's the end
of the game, folks. That's like me, I'm an American.
I show up in Poland or Hungary or wherever Italy.
I don't know, and they determine that I'm an American citizen,
I don't have legal status in their country, and they
want to depart me and I go back to the
United States. I don't have any legal bearing or basis
(14:53):
to say no, I get to stay.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
No, I don't like.
Speaker 1 (14:59):
I'm an American in a foreign land when in Rome
played by the rules. Here is a portion of that
meeting between Trump and Bukeley.
Speaker 7 (15:08):
Actually, what you're doing with the borders remarkable as drug
what ninety five percent?
Speaker 8 (15:14):
It's murder, okay, as this morning, ninety nine ninety.
Speaker 7 (15:19):
Nine point one percent.
Speaker 9 (15:20):
To be exactly, what.
Speaker 7 (15:21):
Are those numbers not on the media, Well, they get
out with the fake news, you know, like CNN over here,
doesn't want to put them out because they don't like,
they don't like putting.
Speaker 9 (15:30):
Out good numbers. They don't like putting in because I
think they hate our country.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
Actually, yeah, this isn't But it's a shame. You're right,
isn't that a great question?
Speaker 7 (15:38):
Why doesn't immediate Why don't they put out numbers? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Nine percent?
Speaker 8 (15:42):
I mean, it's like it's crazy, right, we're doing.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
It is crazy. But Dana bash, oh, this ruffled her.
Feathers quite a bit. This was her anchoring the coverage
on CNN immediately after this Oval Office comment from President
Trump saying CNN won't report the positive number on the
border because they hate our country.
Speaker 10 (16:02):
Jeff Sealanie, I want to start with you, you are at.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
The White House.
Speaker 10 (16:06):
Before I get to you, I just want to say,
for the record, since we heard President Trump say in
the Oval Office that CNN hates our country, CNN does
not hate our country. That should go without saying. I've
been here for thirty two years, and I see a
rhetorical device in him trying to say such a thing.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
Kelly, does Dana Bash make it better or worse for
CNN by saying what she said right there to.
Speaker 4 (16:36):
Refeuw Trump absolutely worse because why would you redirect attention
to it? Just let it go and go on with
your broadcast. But by doing that, now everybody has a
SoundBite saying we have to defend ourselves and say CNN
doesn't really does love America.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
The fact that you have to explain it, or feel
compelled that you need to explain it, I think is
an indictment in and of itself. If people couldn't go Oh,
that's just Trump. I mean, CNN's fine, they love our country,
but she knows that the perceptions out there that they
are fake news, that they are hostile not just to
the Trump administration, but to America itself.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
And there is no other explanation.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
If you're fighting this hard for those who are here
illegally to stay here, I'm sorry. That's do not pass go,
do not collect two hundred dollars, Go directly to whatever
country you came from, not jail, not necessarily jail, but
you don't have a right to be here. And if
you don't go through the proper channels, I don't have
a lot of sympathy for you, because there are many
(17:40):
immigrants with amazing stories to tell, including my own mother
and my grandparents, including Greg Lopez's parents. He is a
first generation American. We are the ones that seem to
have the strongest feelings on this issue. Cuban Americans who
have come here the right way, why do they vote
Republican overwhelmingly? Why Because they fled communism and they know
(18:02):
what leftism looks like, and they want whatever is the
opposite of that, which to them is voting Republican. Marco
Rubio does a really good job.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
This is the thing. It's not just Trump.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
He has got a batting lineup behind him in his
cabinet that is just an all star caliber team.
Speaker 6 (18:19):
He's the sick people.
Speaker 11 (18:21):
I think, Yeah, I mean Stephen Ilin. I don't understand
what the education is. This individual is a citizen Absavagor.
He was illegally in the United States and was returned
to this country. That's where you deport people back to
their country of origin.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
Except for Venezuela.
Speaker 11 (18:35):
Woman's refusing to.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
Take people back.
Speaker 9 (18:37):
This is like that.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
I can tell you this, mister President.
Speaker 11 (18:40):
No, the forign policy of the United States is conducted
by the President of the United States, not by a court,
and no court in the United States has a right
to conduct the foreign policy in the United States.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
Is that something exactly right?
Speaker 1 (18:51):
Here are these eighty twenty issues, including the terriffs on
China and trying to level the playing field on trade
with China. An expert on that subject, Gordon Chang, joins
us here in this Monday edition of Ryan Schuling Live.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Keep it locked in.
Speaker 6 (19:03):
Right here, base off out to our communications in China,
as presid she reached out at all since well, I don't.
Speaker 7 (19:13):
Want to say who's reached out.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
I just say that I think.
Speaker 7 (19:16):
I think it's going to work out hopefully well. The
very big it's hard to get over if you're me,
the what they've done to our country. They've destroyed our
economic base to a large extent. The goodness is we're
very vibrant, and we're going to get it back fast.
We already have. Look, we're making two billion dollars a
(19:37):
day now and doing Biden, we were losing three billion
dollars a day. Biden was a disaster. Here's the worst
president in the history of our country. And you know,
to me, worse than that, because the money you can
make if you have the right guy.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
In this position.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
President Trump asked last week if President She of China
had reached out to him directly for bilateral talks when
it comes to this escalating trade war on tariff's percentages,
et cetera. And Donald Trump didn't want to tip his hand,
didn't want to comment specifically about that, only to say, quote,
I think it's going to work out hopefully well with China.
Speaker 5 (20:18):
Well.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
Our next guest literally wrote the book on China and
several books as a matter of fact, and You can
find his latest plan read China's Project to Destroy America
on Amazon or your favorite bookstore as well. He is
Gordon Shang and he joins us here on Ryan Schuling Live.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
Gordon. Welcome back.
Speaker 5 (20:35):
Well, thank you so much.
Speaker 7 (20:36):
Ryan.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
There's so much that has happened since last we spoke,
with this tariff war against China that is still ongoing.
There was talk as well about President Trump putting a
pause at least on the electronics those tariffs against China,
which in my mind, based on my conversations with you,
would be kind of taking the fangs, the teeth out
of the tariffs that might hurt China the most.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
Where do you evaluate worth.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
Things stand right now on trade with China and where
should President Trump go from here?
Speaker 5 (21:05):
Well, first of all, the Chinese were very happy that
President Trump gave the exemption to electronic goods, and not
just because they want to sell more to the US.
It's because they took it as a sign that Trump
was caving into them. And that's the only way they
can win this trade war is if Trump, who holds
all the high cards, decides to preemptively surrender. But I
(21:26):
think the Chinese are overestimating what happened or misunderstanding, because
what Trump is going to do is to put probably
phased tariffs on electronic goods to get Apple and other
companies to move their supply chains out of China. So
I don't think Beijing is going to like what happens.
You know, the Chinese may be happy right now, and
(21:47):
they may be growing, but I don't think that they're
going to be that happy a couple days from now.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
Kind of building on the point you just made, and
you can follow him on exit Gordon g Chang Gordon,
was that, like you said, you want to on shore
maybe a lot of this production or recalibrate it to
other allies.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
In the region.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
You and I have spoken about that, whether it's Taiwan
or South Korea, Japan, the Philippines, et cetera. But yet
we don't necessarily have the infrastructure in place right now
to make that happen. So in your view, did Trump
get ahead of himself maybe with these tariffs against.
Speaker 5 (22:20):
China, that's a possibility. I mean, he's attracted, you know,
more than a trillion dollars of big investments from foreign companies,
and we probably don't have all the people to staff them.
Such as the five fabs that TSMC, the Taiwanese semiconductor company,
has promised to build north of Phoenix. We probably don't
(22:44):
have the workforce for that now. But you know, you
can't do this perfectly, and so you neither need to
have the people or you need to have the investments.
And I think the investments are going to basically get
us to get the education and their anything else necessary
to staff these facilities. I think though, that at the
(23:05):
end of the day, we're going to do very well
because big companies are making enormous investments in the United States,
and not just in good set aren't that important in
semiconductors and in other things that we absolutely need.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
The markets have been very mercurial, to say the least,
since Trump announced these tariff regimes, not just against China,
but the ninety day pause he enacted that in the
wake of announcing these reciprocal tariffs against a lot of
our trade partners and allies. But today the markets up slightly,
both the dal Jones and the S and P five
hundred as well as the Nasdaq. And this comment from
(23:43):
Kevin O'Leary when he appeared on CNN harken back once
against who's conversations I've had with Gordon Chang who joins
us now.
Speaker 8 (23:51):
It says not about tariffs anymore. Nobody has taken on
China yet, not the Europeans, no administration for decades. As
someone who who actually does business there, I've had enough.
I speak for millions of Americans who have ip that
have been stolen by the Chinese. I have nothing against
the Chinese people. They've brought great literacy, art, and tech
(24:15):
to the world. The government cheats and steals, and finally,
an administration.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
You may not like Trump, you may not like his
style or his rhetoric.
Speaker 8 (24:25):
Finally an administration that puts up and says enough.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
And Gordon, as you've told us, this entire dance that
we've done with China goes back more than fifty years
when President Nixon opened those doors, I think in a
well intentioned effort to bring China into the mainstream when
it comes to the world markets, getting the most Favored
Nation status as well, and considering them a developing nation.
But as you and I both know, China's developed now,
(24:51):
they might not develop in the way that we, as
a Western country would acknowledge to be kind of where
things should be in terms of individual rights, liberties, workers
right now, etc. But they are a well oiled economic
machine that is dominating the world stage in many ways.
So why has it been so long in the process
before an American president like Donald Trump has been willing
(25:12):
to step up pay the political price, And there certainly
is one in terms of political capital spent to enlist
this kind of interaction with China, get them a negotiating table,
and try to bring more fair trade to the overall
picture than we've had ever really with China.
Speaker 5 (25:30):
Yeah, that's a great question, and I think that's because
we've had a couple of week presidents both parties, by
the way, presidents who knew what to say, but just
weren't willing to expend the political capital to do what
is right. I'm thinking of, for instance, President Obama talking
about how we needed to protect American workers, but did
(25:52):
very little to do that when it came to China.
Even Trump forty five was sufficient in many things. Seeing
Trump forty seven, though, remedy that, and I think that's great.
We finally have a person who does what he says
he'll do, and that has been so rare. So, you know,
I think we should be celebrating this. As Kevin Olary said,
(26:15):
we may not like Trump's style, but at least we
got a president who is now serious about protecting the
American economy and more particularly the American worker from predatory
and criminal Chinese trade practices.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
Final question, Gordon Chang our guests, and again you can
find his books. They're plural, but the latest plan read
China's Project to Destroy America, was released October one of
last year. That's on Amazon and follow him at Gordon
g Chang. I'm trying to kind of anticipate where this
might go, Gordon, and whether the tariffs in and of
themselves can be enough to browbeat China into submission. As
(26:52):
you mentioned, when you surrender on the electronics front, you're
kind of giving up the game in that instance. I
was disappointed when President Trump did that, but I'm willing
to let this play out. But we've seen advisors within
his own cabinet, whether it was Scott Bessen or even
Elon Musk commenting on what we will use the tariffs
as a cudgel, kind of carrot in the stick approach,
and we want to get trade to a fair level.
(27:14):
And I'm on board with that, but then you also
have maybe more of the populist winning of his own cabinet.
Howard Lutnick, the Secretary of Commerce, Peter Navarro, an advisor
who has disagreed and said, no, the arrfort should be
slapped on, they should be kept on, and they'll be
good for the American economy long term. What say you
when he comes to the practical effect of these tariffs,
how long they might stay in place, and what effect
(27:37):
they might have long term?
Speaker 5 (27:39):
The tariff pause is going to give the Trump administration
the time to actually negotiate trade arrangements but are more
favorable to the US. You know, they talk about one
hundred and thirty countries wanting to come and do a
deal with us. We will have the time to actually
stitch together better arrangements. That's going to leave China out
in the cole. China's very intransigent right now for a
(28:02):
number of reasons. I think that they're going to overplay
their hand and they're not going to do what they
should do, which is to pick up the phone, call
President Trump and try to work out a deal. Sijimping
for various reasons, can't do that because he's configured the
Chinese political system so that only the most hostile answers
are considered acceptable. China's going to be hurt by this.
(28:24):
Sigem Ping could take China.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
Off the cliffs. Gordon g. Chang.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
That's where you can find him on x and of
course he does many television appearances on this topic of China,
which is so much front and center on the world
stage when it comes to trade in tariffs, and we
love having his opinion his input. Always learn a lot
when you're on the program. Gordon, thank you so much
for your time and we'll talk again soon.
Speaker 5 (28:46):
Well, thank you, Ryan, I really appreciate.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
It, Gordon Chang, your thoughts at five seven, seven thirty nine.
It is kind of a multifaceted approach and response that
we've seen, and it doesn't necessarily align along political lines
traditional ones. I just saw Sean uaw President and it's
a good thing. He was on with Simone Sanders on
MSNBC defending the Trump tariffs when it comes to the
(29:08):
automobile industry. Gretchen Whitmer tried to cover her face with
a folder in the Oval office. But I'm telling you
right now, the people that I know back home where
I originate from Michigan and the auto workers, the auto industry,
the Big Three. They want Donald Trump to wage this
battle to try to level the playing field for American
(29:28):
cars to permeate other markets so that they're on a
level playing field. There's a reason why foreign countries are
not buying American vehicles, and it's not just their inferior
from a manufacturing design standpoint. There is a barrier to
entry into those markets based on these very oppressive tariffs
that even our trade allies are imposing on us. The
(29:51):
Trump tariffs ideally are going to get us to a
place where the consumers in these other countries Germany, Japan,
throughout Europe, entries that should be allied with us in
terms of trade and purchasing our goods and services, will
be more inclined, more incentivized to buy American automobiles. And
that has not been the case for better than forty years.
(30:13):
We'll take this time out wrapping up with your text
five seven seven three nine on Ryan Schuling Live.
Speaker 12 (30:17):
After this, do you ask me what was going through
your mind at that moment, And it was I don't
want my picture taken, That's all it was. I kind
of wish I hadn't put my folder up in front
of my face, but whatever, you know, I was there, Queen.
I just wrote a book about learning to laugh at yourself,
so I'm pretty good at it. And we all meet,
(30:38):
you know, we all have our moments.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
Oh gosh, sheet his slips right into that Michigander accent
to sound all like down to earth and stuff. Governor
Gretcha Whitmer, I'm so proud of her, so really very
proud that. The question, Kelly is, had Governor Whitmer gone
to visit Joe Biden in the White House, would she
have put a folder in front of her face to
avoid having her picture taken? Uh?
Speaker 3 (31:02):
That would be a hard note.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
So if that's the test, that that's the algebra of
the equation, if that's the variable compared to the constant,
then she really didn't want that optic, that photo op
of her being in the Oval Office making nights with Trump.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
But what I think is lost is for her, she's not.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
Really following the Gavin Knew some example of coming to
the middle and really winning back, you know, the undecided
vote in America. Bill Maher, on the other hand, he
went on his show and told all about Hey, I
felt more comfortable around President Trump than I did for
either Clinton or Obama, who.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
I voted for.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
So I thought that was interesting that he gave an
honest account of what was going on there.
Speaker 4 (31:40):
And she also went there to plead for Michiganders, which
is fine, which is great.
Speaker 3 (31:49):
So what's her problem?
Speaker 2 (31:50):
I don't know. Just have the photo taken? Oh gosh, shucks,
you know.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
I just didn't want to have me my picture taken anyway,
Honor Steve Raams, Here we goes we do now? Greg
Lopez joined me earlier in the show. He announced his
candidacy for the office. Will you do the same right now? No,
you will not. Okay, that was an easy.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
One, Sheriff Steve Raams. He still is for World County here.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
I did have a question, and you may have heard
us talking about this concealed Carrie, if you have one,
can you carry concealed in Denver County?
Speaker 9 (32:27):
To your knowledge, Yes you can, Okay, But it's a
trick question because if you'll remember, I think it was
the last legislative session of the one before where our
illustrious governor signed another really bad gun bill that said
every municipality, every governmental entity can create their own gun law.
So you have this patchwork of gun laws across the state,
(32:49):
and in Denver they've basically made it illegal for you
to take your gun in any public building or park.
They have some restricted spaces, so you're kind of even
in the city and of Denver, you're working on a
patchwork there where you can take a gun legally and
where you can.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
See almost literally you have to play hopscotch going around
Denver where you could carry and then you can't carry here.
Speaker 9 (33:09):
Yeah, and it's it's not just in Denver. It's that
way in a lot of places in the state. You know,
I would assume that Boulders not very friendly to conceal
carry either. So what about World County. We're totally good
with it. YEA twenty seven thousand plus concealed permit carriers
can't be wrong.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
No, I don't think so either. So you're here fighting
for our constitutional rights. You were fired up as it
didn't surprise me at all about this gun grab bill.
Speaker 9 (33:34):
Yeah, you know, I went on with Dan last week
and we talked about Governor Polus, your your favorite governor,
signing this bill, and yeah, ticked off is probably an
understatement I still am. You know this is this is
one of the worst bills, if not the worst bill
I've ever seen, not just in what it does, but
how poorly constructed, is how hard it is for people
(33:56):
to read and understand, and it just it's lacking so much.
If you were to grade a bill and say, can
this bill pass? If it's not at least see, you know,
see work worthy, this thing would never make it. I
mean it's it's an f all the way through for
a whole lot of reasons.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
Well, he's fired up, and he's filling in for Dan Kaplis,
and you have a cornycopia of guests on tap. Tell
the people what they can expect over these next two hours.
Speaker 9 (34:21):
Well, you know, Dan had his promo coming in talking
about the governor's race and can Michael Bennett possibly win?
And so we're going to kind of continue with that theme.
We're gonna we're gonna play a little game in the
in the couple hours I get to cover, we'll talk
about political chess match and what it looks like on
the Democrat side, what it looks like on the Republican side.
And then I think it's only fair the listeners have
(34:43):
an opportunity to call in and talk about send a
bill twenty five Dashold three. I'll answer as many questions
as I can. I know there's a ton of them
out there. So we got a couple of hours, you know.
We we'll line up calls, we take texts and answer
a bunch of that stuff. And then of course we'll
have some guests coming on. Jarvis Caldwell, state Rep. And
State Senator Barb Kokmeyer is going to be on, and
(35:03):
then Ian Escalante from Rocky Mountain gun Owners as well.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
The only thing I ask is if and when you
decide there's a next step for you politically, will you
announce it here on Ryan Schuling Live.
Speaker 9 (35:14):
If I have a big announcement to make, Ryan, you
will definitely be one of the first questions I call.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
Okay, one of all right, I'll take that. I'll take that.
Sheriff Steve Raims World County. He is one of the best.
I consider him my personal sheriff.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
That's nothing against a rap hole County, but I just
feel a little bit easier with Sheriff Steve Raams at
the helm and he will be for Dan Caplis coming
up between four and six. As he mentioned, you can
call and ask him a question about your rights, constitutional
and otherwise, and text him those questions as well at
five seven seven three nine. That'll do it for me
from here for now until tomorrow. I'll talk to you
then on Ryan Schuling Live
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