December 19, 2023 • 39 mins
Get ready for an epic episode of the Same Old Podcast! We've got the incredible Dan Leach back on the show, and you won't want to miss it. Join us as we discuss the Pistons' losing streak, the Lions' chances of facing the Rams in the playoffs, and Rhonda playfully giving Dan a hard time for his bold predictions. This is The Same Old Podcast!
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Lane Driple Lot the final seconds atthe Pistons will suffer their twenty fourth consecutive
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defeat, but not without a fight. I mean, I want to win.
You have to keep your mind steadyas best as you can, and
I'll just try to attack every day. So yes, man with it.
Man, none knows I can do. You can't hi, can't run,
can hide, can't run. Pistonstwenty fourth straight loss. Dan Leach,
Welcome back to the same old podcast. Happy to have you. Uh what
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a team, Well, what goodteam. The Pistons haven't won a game
in fifty one days. Well thisis the great We're obviously gets to the
Lions here and it's great to seeyou as well. In Snack Attack,
the greatest producer of all time.I will just say this, the Pistons
now in the last two years,have as many wins as the Detroit Lions.
Now, it's not just one year, that's two seasons. They both
have nineteen and Detroit just went throughtheir Antonio mcdicce twenty fourth loss in a
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row. He knows up next.I have a fun with this, like
former Pistons jersey, you know,number of losses in a row, John
Long and it's been a long time, and I like, I love Jumblas
such an he's one of the nicestguys you'll ever meet, one of the
chicest athletes in any sport ever,the nicest guys. But it's been a
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long time since they've won. Sothere, you're gonna get double beani for
that one. Well, you knowit's funny because well I said fifty one
days. So October twenty eighth,they are two losses away from matching the
NBA's longest losing skit in one season, and I'm wondering they're two and twenty
five. I'm wondering if people wantthem to break that racket? Well,
what do you think? Now?I won't bet. I think if you
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suck, go for it, yousuck hard. I won't. I won't.
I won't mention this guy's name.Sucking heart has always fun with with
candies as well. I won't mentionthis guy's name. It rhymes with Sneve
Sneeger. He was rooting for theLions to lose all sixteen games. No
eight, and well, I figure, if you're gonna lose, go up,
you know, but I don't bigger, go bigger, don't want to
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have Like, I get what you'resaying. And for me, this is
you're not playing for anything this season. I mean, it's lost. You're
saying that gone, You're saying mypreseason better. The Pistons making the playing
tournament was a good one. Uhso they can't even do that, right.
I don't think you want I mean, I understand what you're saying,
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because it's like this cool novelty,like, you know, getting a Charlie
Brown pinn at the Revolving Sushi playsI went to last night. It's really
neat. But you don't want tohave the dubious record of the most ever
losses in a roun but in aproud franchise like the Pistons. Here's the
thing, I think, what thatwhat should happen? You know, the
clock, the countdown clock for theNFL Draft. But are you say they
should get relegated to the G League. Yeah, well that too, But
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I'm just saying that countdown clock forthe NFL Draft is going to be held
to April. That should be forthe Pistons count out to wins, to
wins or losses or when will betheir next win, Like it's a countdown
clock, right, Like it's justand I've got a lot of people bring
so fifty one days, yeah,count it down. I think you should
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fifty two, you should immediately fiftyfour you're seventy or eighty days because it's
probably gonna be that long. Theyshould have two clocks, one for the
Lions or the draft and one forthe Pistons. Talking about a juxtaposition of
clocks exactly. Maybe Flavor Flav toldbe down there to get his head out
clocks right exactly, but he wasthe great uh jingle ball. I mean,
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that's a little iron action for you. But I've got a lot of
people bring this out to me,whether it's on social media or as friends
of mine or or people that Ijust used to listen, you know,
I've listened to me throughout the yearsthat are big Bisons fans and they're like,
like you just asked you, theydo they want to go for the
big record, like what's the what'sthe deal with this team? To me,
it's so sad because this is aproud franchise. I mean, i'd
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saying recently, you know, goingthe way, but it's a proud franchise,
no matter what, it's a it'sa proud franchise. And I gotta
be it's it's embarrassing. And where'sTom Gorris in all this? Is he
not like, you know, saysomething, or Troy Weaver, who made
a mess of this, who Iused to call the dream Weaver by the
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way, and not so much anymore. Well, I mean there are things
that I've heard that you know,Troy Weaver wanted to do, but he
was overruled. Oh I guarant Ithink Troy Weaver actually is pretty smart,
and until the last couple of yearsit seemed like he was making good moves.
But you know, when you lookat you know, how many guards
could you have on one team?It looks like the Pistons want to have
about twelve. You have that goingto Work era where they went to at
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least six straight Eastern Conference finals.You have the back to back titles almost
you know, back to back toback when the Bad Boys were around and
they moved downtown. What is itnow, it's like seven years ago something
like that. There are such apathyand apoplectic fans, and I mean Ronnie,
we've both have been in many Pistonsgames. Whether his fans are covering
in the last several years, noone cares. And and to me,
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like you brought up the question,this is why I'm not mad at you,
but like people would ask me thesame thing. I don't want to
have the lost record. I don'twant the Pistons. But the saddest thing
to me is that you've got peoplethat just don't care anymore. And that's
the organization's fault because people should care. I know they're not good this year,
but they should care about whether KateCunningham is gonna be a good player
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for the Pistons, or Jade andIvy or Ostar Thompson. They should care
about what the future is. Youbringing Manti Williams like he's a good coach,
and obviously he's been miserable. Imean it's not blaming him, but
like it's been miserable for him.He said it's the hardest time of his
life. It's just super sad becausethis is a proud franchise that is a
laughing stock. If Jay Leno Willstill doing the Tonight Show, he'd be
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talking to the Pistons every week becausethey did it for the Laws, and
you're gonna, like you said,I know you want it. I don't
want it. It's probably gonna happenthree four weeks ago. I gotta be
honest. I think they're gonna winThursday night against the Jazz. But the
Jazz are playing. That'll be backto back games that they are. They
lost a Memphis at home, Iknow, but I'm just saying the Jazz
they play the Calves Wednesday night,then come here Thursday night to play the
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Pistons. Maybe they can get ateam that's tired and they could steal a
win at home. Who steals awin at home? You know, I
think the Jazz are gonna be favoriteof that game. They got ten wins.
I mean, the Pistons have itonce since the Neptune was in rage
a couple months ago. Well,it's just it's just sad. It's really
quite sad and pathetic. But again, unlike you, if you're gonna you
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know, go big, go home, break the record, in fact,
break the record. Yeah, well'sthe sixers. By the way, Truss.
The process on twenty six is therecord. Let's go twenty seven and
then obviously twenty it's the all timerecord. But that's all because you want
to know something. We're the peopleare talking about them, so once they
break the record, nobody's gonna careanymore. Yeah, you know what I've
been thinking about too really quick.This has been interesting to me. You
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know, like when like Jimmy Rowndsand Chase Ottley were coming close to DiMaggio's
hit streak, which will never bebroken, in my opinion, fifty six
games. When you get closer,you get tighter and tighter. I feel
like it's the other way on theother side for the Pistons. As they
these losses pile up more and more, they're closer to the record, they're
getting tighter, put in a worseway, not because it's somebody. They
didn't play so they did played badlast night, use they didn't get blown
out. They were competitive HAWKSTI defense. That's that helped them. Kate Cunningham
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career high forty three. But youknow, no one else did anything and
overs and everything else. I mean, if you're gonna have fun with the
cheery of the losses, I'm gonnahave fun with the losses themselves. Twenty
seven would be the Zaza Pachulia loss, by the way, and then twenty
eight Isaiah Stewart, who's on theteam right now. There's only two other
guys, Dick Triptoe and Erinaflalo.And then to break the record would be
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Leo Mogus or Charlie Black from nineteenforty nine. The only ones that have
ever were number twenty nine. That'sit. There you go. Okay,
So the next time the Pistons playThursday night, so hopefully yeah, exactly.
Okay, so you're listening to thesame old podcast. I'm Ron Deavoss
with I Hired Sports Network along withDan Leach and getting to the Lions.
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They really pounded the Broncos on Saturdaynight, and I loved when Sean Payton
shootout his quarterback Russell Wilson on thesideline. It was highly entertaining. It's
rude, but it's highly entertaining.So that was when you're getting blasted by
the Lions. Well, and here'sthe thing. When you have your offensive
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line playing together, Jared Goff ismuch more comfortable when he knows those five
guys are there, we'll protect him. He didn't make any mistakes. He
had eight turnovers in the previous fourgames he had none. Five touchdown passes
he tied a career high. Andso when he's comfortable back there, and
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plus he's home, he's at FordField, got the crowd cheering for them.
And then you have the defense,who I swear to God, this
defense aggravates me more than anything,only because it's like, you played like
that. Why can't you play likethat all season? Well, Roda,
that's that's what the you know whatI've said this the last couple of weeks,
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being delightfully being with you as alwaysin Zach, The NFL is crazy
these days. It's a true leagueof parody. And why wouldn't you be
able to play better on defense weekin week out? That's why would the
Lions have done this year getting theten wins the earliest they have, Like,
you know, they have more weeksnow, there's eighteen weeks, but
this is the earliest they've gotten thereas far as how seasons goes, it's
nineteen seventy to get to ten wins. It's a tough league and the Lions
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are not in the leaite team yetthey're working to build that crescendo. Okay,
no, no, no, no, no, I have got to
stop you with that garbage. Weget crescendo. It's a saying this the
last three true. And now Igotta tell you something. It's a freaking
cop out when you say it's acrescendo. I'm not talking about next year
or two years down the road.I'm talking about now. I'm talking about
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Saturday. But you bring up,well, they're not ready to win and
they're not division he said they're gonnawin a super Bowl. But you know
a lot of people saying it now. But you bring up every time you've
been on and it's like, it'ssuch a cop out because I'm not talking
about next year or the year.I'm talking about now. Don't you look
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about three years ago? No,I'm not looking for and I'm not looking
next year. I'm talking about now, right now. But this team is
not You're you're you're saying why causethe defense played well because they're not that
they're not there yet. It takestime to getet there. That is a
cop out. Come you look atthe teams that have just got the giants,
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you know, beating the packers thatthey get the rest. You can
play that well, and then againit's and if you could play, if
your defense can play that well anduh and really stifle the Broncos, the
Broncos offense isn't the right and soand the Lions had to had a point
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to prove. And when talking tothe players after the game, it was
like, yes, it's good toyou know, you got to ignore the
outside noise because they were hearing it. This team isn't as good as their
record, you know what I mean. They were hearing that outside noise and
they put that to bed at leastfor one game. Yeah. No,
listen, if you're gonna be crabon the Krosceno, I'm gonna defend myself
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because that's what the squatch does.Listen. I get what you're saying.
I'm not trying to make copounts.But when you look at what the lines
have done the last two years,they have not lost two in a row
in almost thirty games what was ittwenty five now, whatever it is,
they have been one of the bestrematch and one of the best bounce back
teams in the NFL. That saysa lot about what Dan Campbell and his
staff has done, for better orworse, with the they are one team
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that has not gone on a losingsay not. So my point is,
and I understand that you want tolook at now, but would you rather
if you're I'm not saying you,but I'm saying, if you're a Lions
fan that has been long suffering fordecades, when you're rather this team be
ready to be winners for ten yearsstretch, that's no, because if you
could, if you could win asuper Bowl, now you take the super
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Bowl. No, that's not whatI'm saying. I say I don't want
to win a super Bowl, butthey're not a lite yet. They're not
ready to win a super Bowl thisyear? Why can't figure that's that's what
you think. I don't think theyare. They kid better in San Francisco.
They're gonna win a super Bowl.But I'm saying you, I'm not
talking about lining. I'm saying youuse the crescendo, right, but I'm
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not talking about necessarily. I'm talkingabout now all right, But you were
asking why can't the defense play thatevery week? Because the NFL is tough
and the lines have ten wins.They got the double digit wins for the
first time in what seven or eightyears? Right, but because of their
offense, not because of their defense. So when you play complimentary football like
they did Saturday night, you're gonnawin. Lady. The defense. The
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defense was better for the last ohif you look at the numbers until last
week, the defense have been betterthan the offense. So I'm just saying.
I mean, that's why they havedropped before Saturday night two of their
last three. And golf was notgood. And I still don't trust him
even though he had it was theyoungs never started a Super Bowl. You
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got to be able to trust JaredGoff. He's really good? Is really
good? I don't know, becauseyou know what's interesting, Uh the offensive
line. As I said, theyplayed together. They're five and zero.
They score what thirty eight points,four hundred and twenty yards of offense.
Jared Goff has a passer rating ofone twenty one. Okay, but to
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me, if you're a really goodquarterback and I'm gonna I'm gonna talk to
Zach because you're annoying me, Ley, you're annoying me your face. I'm
going to talk to Zach, myfavorite person in the whole wide world.
It's very hurtful. Ah, I'mjust kidding. I know. I love
you, Jared, And I've heardpeople say this. See if your offensive
line is intact and the starting fiveand they play together, you know,
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any quarter if you're a good quarterback, you should play well behind any even
if you have one guy out,you should still play well if you're that
quarterback. Right or wrong? Yes, I ask you a question to respond
to that. How many great quarterbacksare in the NFL five? I mean,
Jared goff Is, I'm saying goodquarters like putting Barry Sanders behind the
Cowboys line back in the day.I get your point, But there's a
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look about all the injuries. Wehad more injuries to start a quarterbacks like,
I think we had seven or eightbackup starting this last week. Well
yeah, because this is what theonly the fifth time all season that they
played together. The offense da betweenguys like and you're gonna need that,
ye, Lamar Jackson and Danny DeVito. Think about the drop off between guys
like case Keenum and c. J. Stroupp. It is precipitous. Keenum
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played well, he won them again. No, I'm just saying right,
just like the space guy won acouple of games. Now, quarterback what's
oh god, Castro vikings back theytraded for right and now he's a yazly
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guy. Right then he will startagainst the line. Jared Goff. Jared
Goff is a I would It's likeI'm not trying to get to the Stafford
debate, where like I always wasoffending Stafford being a top ten or you
know, edge of the league quarterback. Jared Goff is above average to really
really good. But he's not PatrickMahomes. He's not even the way Brock
Party plays in that San Franco system, but he can be unbelievably good.
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He threw three touchdowns to a rookietight end who's, by the way,
a revelation in himself. And Iwant to say really quick, I think
the whole night started on a greattrack for Lions fans when Mike Phillips,
that guy in the saxophone played thenational Anthem's amazing. It's on my Twitter
if you want to see it.Danily Steve team one of the finest national
anthems I've ever seen. He's amazing, unbelievable, and from that point on
the crowd was going crazy. Therewas energy in the tro run. We've
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been there for all the games thisyear, I've covered line as almost as
long as you. I cannot remembera year consistently unless you were in the
Silver Dome, which was a longtime ago, where the crowd was as
loud consistently in every single game asthey've been this year. Because it's almost
like they talking about builder. No, it's almost like they know that something
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special is happening. Lions fans travelwell always, even when they suck.
You see Lion stands taking over roadstadiums. You see people tailgating for fifteen
hours and getting their spot at sixam on a cold December day. There's
something building in a very special way. And that's that's different. I mean,
we are not used to this inDetroit, where, yes, the
Lions under Jim Schwartz went to theplayoffs, called well, et cetera.
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I know, but you know,I said, I talked about this with
Jennifer Hammond when she was a time. I was at her post game show
from what and I asked her,and I'll ask you the same question.
What's different? They made the playoffs? What in twenty sixty although they went
twice, they aloys went three?Right? Three? Okay, so that
was the last time they made Sowhy isn't there there? I didn't feel
that sense back then about the excitementabout the season and going to the playoffs,
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and but this year it was sodifferent. Why why do you think
forwards going to separate the four wardswith each It's not forwards, Brad Holmes,
Dan Campbell and the reason it's different. And listen, it's only year
two and a half almost three.It's year three. He's going into this
is year three is not over yet, so it's year two whatever, No,
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but it's year three. But let'snot get some antics here. Oh
my god, you and your crescendoand a half years. I'll give you
God, I swear to God.I'm seriously. You asked me the question.
Let me sing a balcony. Ijump off it right now. I'm
not I would throw you. Whatto me is different? And I like
Jim Caldwell and I know what's uhfour like Chill. I love Jim Caldwell.
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I know Martha din too, ButI and I Jim Schwartz took this
team from oh to sixteen to playoffs, used to wait tables on. It's
a nice family. But Dan Campbell, Bred Holmes, he was a jackass.
Schwartz, Yeah, Jim Shorts.I mean, I think he was
nice to be. But I meanI'm as ol wacko because you always say
I'm too positive this regime. Ihate saying regime, but this this stewardship
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of what's going on right now,and even Shila Ford hamp kind of tried
to do things differently than they didin the past. Going outside the organization,
it's different because the Lines are doingthings they never did in the past,
and they've got a coach that,yes, is he the greatest ex'es
and o's Bill Belichick. Well,let's not talk about Belchick now, you
know Bill Parcells whoever, No,he's not, but he's getting better.
And as far as motivating goes,there's maybe no better motivator in the NFL.
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Brad Holmes was a college scouting guy. Bob Quinn was a pro personnel
guy, and he sucked. TheLines could never identify who to draft.
Look at Sam Laporta, look atjamiyor Gibbs. Look at these guys that
are all up and down the rosterfor these last few drafts that are not
being cut. They're not being Imean, I know t. Jackins is
another team right now. But asidefrom guys like that, they're all performing
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and they're they're hitting their spots,like if you're someone you know, a
musician or a singer, you're hittingyour notes. And that's what I think
is different. Where the Lions Ithought, I mean, could they've lost
that Saturday? Of course, Rona, I didn't feel that worried about it
because they're so good at home,they're bouncing back, they're not bad after
they lose games. They're really good, actually one of the best in the
NFL. And I feel this confidenceas someone that has covered and been a
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Lions fan my entire life, thatfeels different than it has since maybe going
back to the nineties. They wereBarry Sandars. That was different back then.
Well. And what's also interesting isis people question Brad Holmes when he
took Jamir Gibbs, of course,and I did too, and I'm like,
why are you taking it freaking atyards pario. I guess I should
apologize. I'm not going to youdidn't apologize to me for the crescendo stuff
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that you know. Ever, youalso said why did I bring a football
to the studio because it's fun.You are a freaking weirdo, but that's
part of the greatness. What isthis seriously? I know why, but
you can't sit still, so youneed something to play Super eighty. I
gotta say they got it. Butyou know the Lions. Were you upset
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that the Seahawks came back to beatthe Eagles last night? The Lions would
have clinched les A playoffs and thatwas a crazy game. Once again,
my point NFL is tough. Iwasn't mad because I don't care about what
other teams are doing. The Lionshave to do what they have to do.
And if they beat Minnesota, whichthey I think they should even though,
and that's the thing now, itall comes well, beat the Vikings
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on Sunday, you clinch the NFCNorth Since nineteen ninety three, right,
that's what you have to do aroundback then, and this is exactly what
Dan Campbell said. We're going todo everything we can to win this division
and there's nothing that's going to beeasy about it. Man. You gotta
we got to go out to Minneapolisand face the Vikings, who are a
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very dangerous team, and find away to win it and get this division
a couple of weeks, I guess. But do you have a general philosoph
arresting players for the playoffs? Imean, be a week eighteen or just
you know, once you get somethinglocked up to give some when we're done
with the season, they're going torest. I promise you that they're gonna
get plenty of time off. Nobody'sresting you if you're waiting to arrest after
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the super Bowl, right, no, but please no, I'm not going
to the super Bowl this year.Never said they were bible. I am
surprised at the whole season. Igotta say. And what it's like the
other side of me? Do youthink I'm too positive? Well, I'm
not saying. You could be positiveall you want, That's not what I'm
saying. But you keep talking aboutthe crescendo building to a crescendo building and
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next year when it's like, I'mnot talking about next year, all right,
well we're talking about now, I'mtalking about what happens Saturday night.
Sure could agree more, but letme ask you this then. And by
the way, I know Minnesota's beena house of horrors. The Lions are
a better team than the like He'slike they were a better team than the
Broncos. They're playing in a dome. Jered Goff is boundary really ship the
bed against the Bengals. They don'twant to watch. They were up seven.
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They should have won that game.And you look at what this team
has done. It their best andto me, this is a game they
should win. I mean, they'rethree and a half four point favorites.
They should win this game on theroad. They do that, they take
all care of this. Let meask the question I want to ask you,
and I totally with you about worryabout now, not twenty twenty five
or twenty twenty seven or you know. And by the way, how nice
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is it that this time of year, this great holiday season, no matter
what you celebrate, that Lions fansare worrying about the seed they're gonna get
in the playoffs as supposed to whatdraft pick they're gonna have in the first
round. Yeah, yeah, theLight should lose this game because they look
at a higher pick. Stupid,So don't you This is the only thing
I want to ask you, andI totally accept what you're saying about the
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crescendo stuff. I don't think theLions are good enough to win it this
year, to win it all nowif they get there, of course I
wanted to. But if you're aLions fan, I'm not saying I was
asking general Lions fan. If you'relike this big Lions fan round it,
wouldn't you ran it? Rather,after all these years of heartbreak and you
know Blake and all the nonsense andbs that people come up with about the
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Starcross franchise, that when they getto the point to be good enough to
win a Super Bowl, which Ithink could be a couple of years away,
maybe a year away, would itbe better to be ready to win
it than get there and lose byforty like the Bills used to. That's
all I'm saying, Like, obviously, if I have a choice of going
to losing, you're not going onyou could get to the Super Bowl and
lose by forty. Good for you, right, And I'm i saying I'd
rather get to the Zuper Bowl andlose by forty than not go at all.
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But I feel like this team,with what Brad Holmes and Campbell are
doing and what the way they are, I won't even say it's snowning to
a Cesnendo what they are doing isidiot. Is that are getting to the
point where they're gonna be hopefully likethe Steelers have been for years. M
I'd say now, but like adecade contending type team, the Green Bay
Packers, the Niners. That's whatI want for the Lions because I don't
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want it to be good for oneyear on it this year and then not
be good for three years. Iwant it to be year in, year
out, which has always been thegoal, long term viable contention. That's
all I'm saying. Okay, you'relistening to the same old podcast. I
need an AP. I have aheadache. I'm Ronda Moss with iHeart Sports
Network along with Dan Leach in hisCrescendo, a drummer by trade. So
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I like music stuff. But Iguarantee you if you would ask. Okay,
let's ask Zach. He's a hugeLion. I can text my guy.
Super Bowl or Crescendo super Bowl,thank you. You could have both.
You could have both super Bowls,I'm telling you. But fans want
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a super Bowl now and they couldcare less what happens next year. Of
course, if you if you goto the super Bowl and whatever, happens,
doesn't matter what happened next two,three, four years, you got
a free pass. Sure, Butthe Lions, I'm telling you they could.
I mean, listen. Is thecraziest thing ever, with how they've
been able to play at home.If they got somehow got the two seed
or they're gonna get the one seamentif they played multiple playoff games at home,
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could they get to the Nfcuse ifthey if they win their division,
they will host a play off game. And please God, I wanted to
be the Rams, Matthew freaking Stafford. Sure today, Jesus, I swear
to God, unbelieve. Oh God, So I need the Rams to win?
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I need I need? Do weneed the Rams to win in order
for that to happen? Well,the Lions could. The three seed is
most likely. But the way thePhilly is lost obviously they've lost three in
a row. No, he's notlooking, no, no, no,
no no, But there's the theirlast three games are the Titans stealer.
Lions would probably have to be thethree. But the Rams are starting to
play some pretty good football. Ithink they've won one, four or five.
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Yeah, And if you're the twoor the three, you never thought
I would say, I want MatthewStafford to win. Do you know how
great of a game that would be? The It would be the full circle,
super full circle. It would belike, though, but then I'm
not gonna but I'm not gonna sayit, but anyway, yeah, so
that would be when I I wouldlove to see that because it would be
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Nutso I think I'll say it.I already know what you're thinking. We
could see who won that trade?Right right? Oh no, it's we.
Dan Campbell is allowing fans to saywe. So I'm not gonna get
Zach. Well, let me justsay this about the Stafford thing. And
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I was on are of the nightthat he got traded, and I was
a huge Stafford guy. I feltlike I was one of the few in
the media that really think you're wearinga Michigan Rams or Detroit Rams who ever
came up. Hold on, he'sa good Egg family man. Do you
know who came up with that?Of course, as a friend of mine,
he's got to I'm not gonna saythe company because I don't want to.
You know, it's not I thinkI thought he's got a teacher.
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Dumbest thing ever, let me explainwhat because people misunderstood that I wasn't wearing
Detroit Rapture because I was anti Lions. The Lions are one of my favorite
team by entire life. I startedgoing against when I was five years old,
I know, but I was wearingit because I'm a big Stafford guy
and it wasn't his it was nothis fault, and all these fans were
bleeding, so let it go.So it was the first set. Let
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it go really quick, back tothe point I was gonna make a by
winning the trade. I was onthe air that night and I remember saying
that Stafford, you know, thiswas as much of a Stafford guy as
I was, and I was very, you know, vehemently behind him for
years covering the lines. It hadto be done. It was the right
move, and it gave the Linesthe ability to let Stafford move on for
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himself and obviously him and winning theSuper Bowl, and for the Lions to
figure out who their franchise quarterback wouldbe. And I like it. I'm
a big poker guy, Ronda,I like it. Jared goff to being
like getting a pair of ases,you can, you know, just limp
in and call with the aces youcan bet big, you can fold.
At some point he was able tobe here and maybe, like you know,
mentoring younger kid, be a goodquarterback like he's been, be a
guy that saw long term. There'sall these different, you know, factors.
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And he also was the youngest guyever to start Super Bowl. So
I think Jared Goff is bad.But that trade, I think open the
lines franchise up to a whole newworld. One fantastic point of you all
the different things they had to getthere, right. But I'm gonna tell
you something, Brett, and Iunderstand what you're saying. But Brad Holmes
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not too long ago made a pointto say, who ever thought that Jared
Goff was a stop gap is anidiot? Right to be honest, you
can use the word idiot, ButI am that's the guy. Like I
said, I can't stress it off. He was the youngest guy to ever
started a Super Bowl and he didnot make a lot of mistakes. And
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this is a guy that could.But if that if everything comes together,
and can you imagine how the ratingswould be for that game, the NFL
would go that would definitely be theMonday night game. Oh for sure,
that would have to be one millionpercent and Ford Field would be as loud
as it's been ever. Yeah,so that's one thing I would like to
see happen. You're listening to thesame old podcast. I'm Ronda Moss with
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iHeart Sports Network along with Dan LeechSpy consered by Victory Lane, Quick Oil
Change. Okay, what do meansto me today? By the way,
what do you know? I'm thatI know? Do you just need to
hear the truth? The truth isgood people, You need to hear the
truth. But anyway true. Okay, So Lions are going to Minnesota on
Sunday playing the Vikings. If theywin, they win the NFC North for
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the first time since nineteen ninety three. I was sixteen. Okay, Lion's
raising ticket price, isn't it?I know, I causing a little uproar.
Listen, do you know the wholefive percent increase? That's a lot,
That's what it is. Well,they say anywhere from thirty percent to
eighty five percent. I'm not goingto say the Lions defense, but let
me just say this about the Lions, and they haven't really if I'm not
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mistaken raised prices, I don't knowthe numbers in front of me. This
is what happens when you start winning. Yeah, the Lions are one of
the most affordable tickets in the NFL. I know they're in the bottom ten
as far as affordability. So buteighty five percent, that's a lot of
money. I didn't know it wasas a huge increase. Well, that
means if you're paying two hundred,you're gonna be paying like three seventy's raizing
pants in the In the quote ofRonda, they haven't done anything. Why
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are they raising ticket price? Ihaven't even built took a shutdow yet,
right, I mean, who dothey think they are? Win a playoff
game and then raise your ticket presI totally agree, But you know that's
not the way they do things.No, I know, because it went
out season ticket holders, you haveto start renewing now, and so you
know. But I do think ifthat, if, if it's true from
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what I read, really eighty fivepercent, I can't imagine. Maybe eighty
five percent will be standing room tickets. I don't know. But if I
have a friend, I have friendsthat have club seats, they're super expensive.
I cannot imagine them raising them eightyfive percent so they'd be like seven
hundred dollars a ticket. No one'spaying that. But listen, the Lions
still are as far as affordability goesin the grand scheme of the NFL,
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way down near the bottom. Imean, I was talking to a guy
in from your ryeard for the jingleBall from New York. He was trying
to take his kid in and afriend of a Giants game, even though
the Giants suck right now, it'sSTI gonna cost him four two undred dollars
for three. It's here too,I mean everything, and if you go,
you buy your tickets. Parking isreally expensive, and then you get
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your food and whatever else and bigdonuts. It's a little pricey. I
mean, it's expensive. NFL.There's only eight cold games, right,
I get I get it, Iget it. But I think, if
it's true again, eighty five percentis a little steep to raise. I
mean, I understand eighty five Normallyit's like fifteen percent. Yeah, I
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bet you. Eighty five percent isfor like, I don't know, five
different seats in like the gold ticketsection. I don't know. But I
was talking to somebody when I wasleaving the game to this woman that works
at Ford Field. I can't rememberher name. She was lovely and she
just works in the where the glasseswhat is that called the elevators, the
crown seat those really oh yeah,yeah, where you could stand and watch
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the players walk off the field intothe last We always talked to those people.
My friends early in there were likewaving at them. Those tickets are
like twenty five thousand dollars. Yeah, but that's for the season. Yeah,
but there's only like, you know, thirty people that have them,
right, those are for the superrich thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
you get the players. People,you get the players, watch them
coming it out of the locker room. So like people that have body love
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that kind of access. Cowboys startedthat years ago, and people pay them
riveting to watch them walk off thefield and into the locker. We see
that all we see it, andthey're very nice. When they walk in,
they'll talk or whatever, I mean, you know, stand and take
a picture. If I'm not mistaken, I don't know, but they they
do. It's not it might notbe riveting because we've seen it in our
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whole lives. But I have afriend that has kids that has see it's
a seven year old and a tenyear old. For them, it literally
is like the coolest thing ever.It's like going to the moon or the
bottom of the ocean. What fightwhere you wanted to throw me earlier today?
Okay, Hey, we're getting lotsof good response for the show You
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take Over the World. Two questionsto wrap this puppy up. Piston's Jazz
Thursday night. Well, they snappedtheir streak. So you say they're gonna
lose twenty five straight, I thinkyou're gonna lose thirty two straight. Okay.
Pistons Vikings Sunday in Minnesota. TheVikings would be Vikings one hundred and
forty Pistons, one hundred Vikings Lions. I think that the Vikings, even
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though Dobbs had taken to called itwhat is it the pastor whatever you pastor
or not? Yeah, that's stuff'sover. I know that stuff's over.
Nick Bullens actually did a decent jobon the road. I have to say
their defense so good, so muchbetter than the last. Yes, but
obviously justin Jefferson's a threat. He'skilled the Lions before. The Lions have
had a house of horrors at thewhether it was the old Metrome or obviously
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the new stadium now. But tome, this is a different Lions team.
Well, and also, I'm sorryI have to interrupt because we didn't
even get to c J. GardnerJohnson coming back. I thought we did
get to my fact that I broughtour good friend Dave rig First fifty a
birthday, is a big Brougess fan, and he was miserable. The whole
game is great, Yeah, butnobody cares anyway. But Jake Gardner Johnson
is coming back practicing this week.He could be back before. I think
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that. I think they'll wait untilthe playoffs to you don't want to risk
him getting hurt? Yeah, definitely, how you don't want to do?
They need a game under his beltthough maybe he plays the last game of
the season when they maybe the Lionswill Yeah, they're not going to rest
players. Well if they pitched theirseat in their division. Dan Campbell just
said no, when the seasons,they're not going to risk getting hurt in
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week eight if they're locked in.Okay, So anyway, so your Lion's
Vikings score, Yeah, so listen, Jefferson is going to be a factor.
I think that the Vikings defense iskind of regressed times. Obviously they
blewed in the second Advocate Cincinnati.You saw the Bengals with Jake Brown and
kind of do whatever they wanted inthe second one. Ever, that is
I've never heard of it. Heplayed almost won the heighs. Never heard
of him. You've heard of him. He's a good friend of yours.
Don't know who he is. Ithink this is going to be a closer.
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He is coming to a crescendo.It definitely is, as is this
show. That's why it's amazing.The Lions are gonna go on the road.
It'll be a little closer than youknow. Lions fans might want to
see it. But Golf will continuethe good play. He will not turn
the ball over. I think you'regonna see Gibbs and Laporta have big games
again, much like guys. Ithink we're the last game. And Jamison
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Williams. I was impressed with himon on Saturday night. He played very
wow. Josh Reynolds had forty yardsand a couple of catches early in the
game. I which I would haveput that in my parlay, but I
did, but not Jamo. Ithink the Lions win this game, win
their first division since nineteen ninety three. Then you're gonna win it thirty one
to twenty ish, similar to whatI had the Broncos prediction, which wasn't
too far off. Dan, Thankyou so much always, I appreciate you,
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and this is our best show yet. Well and they're all amazing.
Shut up? Well, no,do you want to? Can I tell
you this funny story? So yesterdayI had a slept to the East side.
I had to go to the dentist. My cousin is my dentist,
and he's on the East Si Roseville, doctor Mark Steineld. If you need
(36:57):
to go to a dentist, gosee him because he's fabulous. Too far
anyway, So I had I stoppedat a drug store. I'm not gonna
name which one, but the personbehind the counter was overleaf, uh sweet,
and it was like, hey,hi, oh, don't you just
love the snow? I hate drivingin it, but I love the snow
(37:19):
and it did. And everybody inline kept looking at each other like is
she for real? But it waslike over the like, Hi, could
how are you? Oh my god? It's so oh look at you're getting
a candy this a candy bar.Oh look at this Do you have your
rewards card? Just plug it in. I seriously wanted to punch somebody in
(37:39):
She was so nice, she wasvery but do you ever get that,
like it's like, am I isthere? Am I in a movie?
Or is there a scene being shothere? It was so bizarre. I
was in bizarro world for a minutebecause she was so it was like,
but everybody in line thought the samething, like, well, you want
to know what's said about that,not not that you were wrong to think
that way, that we're in aperiod of time now where everyone's used to
(38:01):
people being jerky. No, I'mnot saying so it's weird to see they
so it was. She was sosweet, she gave she gave her me
a cavity. Maybe it was performanceart. Maybe she was so it was
so bizarre. It was really andI gotta give her credit because if you're
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like that twenty four to seven,more power to you. But I wanted
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Lane Driple Lot the final seconds atthe Pistons will suffer their twenty fourth consecutive
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defeat, but not without a fight. I mean, I want to win.
You have to keep your mind steadyas best as you can, and
I'll just try to attack every day. So yes, man with it.
Man, none knows I can do. You can't hi, can't run,
can hide, can't run. Pistonstwenty fourth straight loss. Dan Leach,
Welcome back to the same old podcast. Happy to have you. Uh what
(01:53):
a team, Well, what goodteam. The Pistons haven't won a game
in fifty one days. Well thisis the great We're obviously gets to the
Lions here and it's great to seeyou as well. In Snack Attack,
the greatest producer of all time.I will just say this, the Pistons
now in the last two years,have as many wins as the Detroit Lions.
Now, it's not just one year, that's two seasons. They both
have nineteen and Detroit just went throughtheir Antonio mcdicce twenty fourth loss in a
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row. He knows up next.I have a fun with this, like
former Pistons jersey, you know,number of losses in a row, John
Long and it's been a long time, and I like, I love Jumblas
such an he's one of the nicestguys you'll ever meet, one of the
chicest athletes in any sport ever,the nicest guys. But it's been a
(02:37):
long time since they've won. Sothere, you're gonna get double beani for
that one. Well, you knowit's funny because well I said fifty one
days. So October twenty eighth,they are two losses away from matching the
NBA's longest losing skit in one season, and I'm wondering they're two and twenty
five. I'm wondering if people wantthem to break that racket? Well,
what do you think? Now?I won't bet. I think if you
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suck, go for it, yousuck hard. I won't. I won't.
I won't mention this guy's name.Sucking heart has always fun with with
candies as well. I won't mentionthis guy's name. It rhymes with Sneve
Sneeger. He was rooting for theLions to lose all sixteen games. No
eight, and well, I figure, if you're gonna lose, go up,
you know, but I don't bigger, go bigger, don't want to
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have Like, I get what you'resaying. And for me, this is
you're not playing for anything this season. I mean, it's lost. You're
saying that gone, You're saying mypreseason better. The Pistons making the playing
tournament was a good one. Uhso they can't even do that, right.
I don't think you want I mean, I understand what you're saying,
(03:43):
because it's like this cool novelty,like, you know, getting a Charlie
Brown pinn at the Revolving Sushi playsI went to last night. It's really
neat. But you don't want tohave the dubious record of the most ever
losses in a roun but in aproud franchise like the Pistons. Here's the
thing, I think, what thatwhat should happen? You know, the
clock, the countdown clock for theNFL Draft. But are you say they
should get relegated to the G League. Yeah, well that too, But
(04:05):
I'm just saying that countdown clock forthe NFL Draft is going to be held
to April. That should be forthe Pistons count out to wins, to
wins or losses or when will betheir next win, Like it's a countdown
clock, right, Like it's justand I've got a lot of people bring
so fifty one days, yeah,count it down. I think you should
(04:26):
fifty two, you should immediately fiftyfour you're seventy or eighty days because it's
probably gonna be that long. Theyshould have two clocks, one for the
Lions or the draft and one forthe Pistons. Talking about a juxtaposition of
clocks exactly. Maybe Flavor Flav toldbe down there to get his head out
clocks right exactly, but he wasthe great uh jingle ball. I mean,
(04:48):
that's a little iron action for you. But I've got a lot of
people bring this out to me,whether it's on social media or as friends
of mine or or people that Ijust used to listen, you know,
I've listened to me throughout the yearsthat are big Bisons fans and they're like,
like you just asked you, theydo they want to go for the
big record, like what's the what'sthe deal with this team? To me,
it's so sad because this is aproud franchise. I mean, i'd
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saying recently, you know, goingthe way, but it's a proud franchise,
no matter what, it's a it'sa proud franchise. And I gotta
be it's it's embarrassing. And where'sTom Gorris in all this? Is he
not like, you know, saysomething, or Troy Weaver, who made
a mess of this, who Iused to call the dream Weaver by the
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way, and not so much anymore. Well, I mean there are things
that I've heard that you know,Troy Weaver wanted to do, but he
was overruled. Oh I guarant Ithink Troy Weaver actually is pretty smart,
and until the last couple of yearsit seemed like he was making good moves.
But you know, when you lookat you know, how many guards
could you have on one team?It looks like the Pistons want to have
about twelve. You have that goingto Work era where they went to at
(05:53):
least six straight Eastern Conference finals.You have the back to back titles almost
you know, back to back toback when the Bad Boys were around and
they moved downtown. What is itnow, it's like seven years ago something
like that. There are such apathyand apoplectic fans, and I mean Ronnie,
we've both have been in many Pistonsgames. Whether his fans are covering
in the last several years, noone cares. And and to me,
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like you brought up the question,this is why I'm not mad at you,
but like people would ask me thesame thing. I don't want to
have the lost record. I don'twant the Pistons. But the saddest thing
to me is that you've got peoplethat just don't care anymore. And that's
the organization's fault because people should care. I know they're not good this year,
but they should care about whether KateCunningham is gonna be a good player
(06:36):
for the Pistons, or Jade andIvy or Ostar Thompson. They should care
about what the future is. Youbringing Manti Williams like he's a good coach,
and obviously he's been miserable. Imean it's not blaming him, but
like it's been miserable for him.He said it's the hardest time of his
life. It's just super sad becausethis is a proud franchise that is a
laughing stock. If Jay Leno Willstill doing the Tonight Show, he'd be
(06:57):
talking to the Pistons every week becausethey did it for the Laws, and
you're gonna, like you said,I know you want it. I don't
want it. It's probably gonna happenthree four weeks ago. I gotta be
honest. I think they're gonna winThursday night against the Jazz. But the
Jazz are playing. That'll be backto back games that they are. They
lost a Memphis at home, Iknow, but I'm just saying the Jazz
they play the Calves Wednesday night,then come here Thursday night to play the
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Pistons. Maybe they can get ateam that's tired and they could steal a
win at home. Who steals awin at home? You know, I
think the Jazz are gonna be favoriteof that game. They got ten wins.
I mean, the Pistons have itonce since the Neptune was in rage
a couple months ago. Well,it's just it's just sad. It's really
quite sad and pathetic. But again, unlike you, if you're gonna you
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know, go big, go home, break the record, in fact,
break the record. Yeah, well'sthe sixers. By the way, Truss.
The process on twenty six is therecord. Let's go twenty seven and
then obviously twenty it's the all timerecord. But that's all because you want
to know something. We're the peopleare talking about them, so once they
break the record, nobody's gonna careanymore. Yeah, you know what I've
been thinking about too really quick.This has been interesting to me. You
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know, like when like Jimmy Rowndsand Chase Ottley were coming close to DiMaggio's
hit streak, which will never bebroken, in my opinion, fifty six
games. When you get closer,you get tighter and tighter. I feel
like it's the other way on theother side for the Pistons. As they
these losses pile up more and more, they're closer to the record, they're
getting tighter, put in a worseway, not because it's somebody. They
didn't play so they did played badlast night, use they didn't get blown
out. They were competitive HAWKSTI defense. That's that helped them. Kate Cunningham
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career high forty three. But youknow, no one else did anything and
overs and everything else. I mean, if you're gonna have fun with the
cheery of the losses, I'm gonnahave fun with the losses themselves. Twenty
seven would be the Zaza Pachulia loss, by the way, and then twenty
eight Isaiah Stewart, who's on theteam right now. There's only two other
guys, Dick Triptoe and Erinaflalo.And then to break the record would be
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Leo Mogus or Charlie Black from nineteenforty nine. The only ones that have
ever were number twenty nine. That'sit. There you go. Okay,
So the next time the Pistons playThursday night, so hopefully yeah, exactly.
Okay, so you're listening to thesame old podcast. I'm Ron Deavoss
with I Hired Sports Network along withDan Leach and getting to the Lions.
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They really pounded the Broncos on Saturdaynight, and I loved when Sean Payton
shootout his quarterback Russell Wilson on thesideline. It was highly entertaining. It's
rude, but it's highly entertaining.So that was when you're getting blasted by
the Lions. Well, and here'sthe thing. When you have your offensive
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line playing together, Jared Goff ismuch more comfortable when he knows those five
guys are there, we'll protect him. He didn't make any mistakes. He
had eight turnovers in the previous fourgames he had none. Five touchdown passes
he tied a career high. Andso when he's comfortable back there, and
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plus he's home, he's at FordField, got the crowd cheering for them.
And then you have the defense,who I swear to God, this
defense aggravates me more than anything,only because it's like, you played like
that. Why can't you play likethat all season? Well, Roda,
that's that's what the you know whatI've said this the last couple of weeks,
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being delightfully being with you as alwaysin Zach, The NFL is crazy
these days. It's a true leagueof parody. And why wouldn't you be
able to play better on defense weekin week out? That's why would the
Lions have done this year getting theten wins the earliest they have, Like,
you know, they have more weeksnow, there's eighteen weeks, but
this is the earliest they've gotten thereas far as how seasons goes, it's
nineteen seventy to get to ten wins. It's a tough league and the Lions
(10:39):
are not in the leaite team yetthey're working to build that crescendo. Okay,
no, no, no, no, no, I have got to
stop you with that garbage. Weget crescendo. It's a saying this the
last three true. And now Igotta tell you something. It's a freaking
cop out when you say it's acrescendo. I'm not talking about next year
or two years down the road.I'm talking about now. I'm talking about
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Saturday. But you bring up,well, they're not ready to win and
they're not division he said they're gonnawin a super Bowl. But you know
a lot of people saying it now. But you bring up every time you've
been on and it's like, it'ssuch a cop out because I'm not talking
about next year or the year.I'm talking about now. Don't you look
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about three years ago? No,I'm not looking for and I'm not looking
next year. I'm talking about now, right now. But this team is
not You're you're you're saying why causethe defense played well because they're not that
they're not there yet. It takestime to getet there. That is a
cop out. Come you look atthe teams that have just got the giants,
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you know, beating the packers thatthey get the rest. You can
play that well, and then againit's and if you could play, if
your defense can play that well anduh and really stifle the Broncos, the
Broncos offense isn't the right and soand the Lions had to had a point
(12:07):
to prove. And when talking tothe players after the game, it was
like, yes, it's good toyou know, you got to ignore the
outside noise because they were hearing it. This team isn't as good as their
record, you know what I mean. They were hearing that outside noise and
they put that to bed at leastfor one game. Yeah. No,
listen, if you're gonna be crabon the Krosceno, I'm gonna defend myself
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because that's what the squatch does.Listen. I get what you're saying.
I'm not trying to make copounts.But when you look at what the lines
have done the last two years,they have not lost two in a row
in almost thirty games what was ittwenty five now, whatever it is,
they have been one of the bestrematch and one of the best bounce back
teams in the NFL. That saysa lot about what Dan Campbell and his
staff has done, for better orworse, with the they are one team
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that has not gone on a losingsay not. So my point is,
and I understand that you want tolook at now, but would you rather
if you're I'm not saying you,but I'm saying, if you're a Lions
fan that has been long suffering fordecades, when you're rather this team be
ready to be winners for ten yearsstretch, that's no, because if you
could, if you could win asuper Bowl, now you take the super
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Bowl. No, that's not whatI'm saying. I say I don't want
to win a super Bowl, butthey're not a lite yet. They're not
ready to win a super Bowl thisyear? Why can't figure that's that's what
you think. I don't think theyare. They kid better in San Francisco.
They're gonna win a super Bowl.But I'm saying you, I'm not
talking about lining. I'm saying youuse the crescendo, right, but I'm
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not talking about necessarily. I'm talkingabout now all right, But you were
asking why can't the defense play thatevery week? Because the NFL is tough
and the lines have ten wins.They got the double digit wins for the
first time in what seven or eightyears? Right, but because of their
offense, not because of their defense. So when you play complimentary football like
they did Saturday night, you're gonnawin. Lady. The defense. The
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defense was better for the last ohif you look at the numbers until last
week, the defense have been betterthan the offense. So I'm just saying.
I mean, that's why they havedropped before Saturday night two of their
last three. And golf was notgood. And I still don't trust him
even though he had it was theyoungs never started a Super Bowl. You
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got to be able to trust JaredGoff. He's really good? Is really
good? I don't know, becauseyou know what's interesting, Uh the offensive
line. As I said, theyplayed together. They're five and zero.
They score what thirty eight points,four hundred and twenty yards of offense.
Jared Goff has a passer rating ofone twenty one. Okay, but to
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me, if you're a really goodquarterback and I'm gonna I'm gonna talk to
Zach because you're annoying me, Ley, you're annoying me your face. I'm
going to talk to Zach, myfavorite person in the whole wide world.
It's very hurtful. Ah, I'mjust kidding. I know. I love
you, Jared, And I've heardpeople say this. See if your offensive
line is intact and the starting fiveand they play together, you know,
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any quarter if you're a good quarterback, you should play well behind any even
if you have one guy out,you should still play well if you're that
quarterback. Right or wrong? Yes, I ask you a question to respond
to that. How many great quarterbacksare in the NFL five? I mean,
Jared goff Is, I'm saying goodquarters like putting Barry Sanders behind the
Cowboys line back in the day.I get your point, But there's a
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look about all the injuries. Wehad more injuries to start a quarterbacks like,
I think we had seven or eightbackup starting this last week. Well
yeah, because this is what theonly the fifth time all season that they
played together. The offense da betweenguys like and you're gonna need that,
ye, Lamar Jackson and Danny DeVito. Think about the drop off between guys
like case Keenum and c. J. Stroupp. It is precipitous. Keenum
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played well, he won them again. No, I'm just saying right,
just like the space guy won acouple of games. Now, quarterback what's
oh god, Castro vikings back theytraded for right and now he's a yazly
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guy. Right then he will startagainst the line. Jared Goff. Jared
Goff is a I would It's likeI'm not trying to get to the Stafford
debate, where like I always wasoffending Stafford being a top ten or you
know, edge of the league quarterback. Jared Goff is above average to really
really good. But he's not PatrickMahomes. He's not even the way Brock
Party plays in that San Franco system, but he can be unbelievably good.
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He threw three touchdowns to a rookietight end who's, by the way,
a revelation in himself. And Iwant to say really quick, I think
the whole night started on a greattrack for Lions fans when Mike Phillips,
that guy in the saxophone played thenational Anthem's amazing. It's on my Twitter
if you want to see it.Danily Steve team one of the finest national
anthems I've ever seen. He's amazing, unbelievable, and from that point on
the crowd was going crazy. Therewas energy in the tro run. We've
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been there for all the games thisyear, I've covered line as almost as
long as you. I cannot remembera year consistently unless you were in the
Silver Dome, which was a longtime ago, where the crowd was as
loud consistently in every single game asthey've been this year. Because it's almost
like they talking about builder. No, it's almost like they know that something
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special is happening. Lions fans travelwell always, even when they suck.
You see Lion stands taking over roadstadiums. You see people tailgating for fifteen
hours and getting their spot at sixam on a cold December day. There's
something building in a very special way. And that's that's different. I mean,
we are not used to this inDetroit, where, yes, the
Lions under Jim Schwartz went to theplayoffs, called well, et cetera.
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I know, but you know,I said, I talked about this with
Jennifer Hammond when she was a time. I was at her post game show
from what and I asked her,and I'll ask you the same question.
What's different? They made the playoffs? What in twenty sixty although they went
twice, they aloys went three?Right? Three? Okay, so that
was the last time they made Sowhy isn't there there? I didn't feel
that sense back then about the excitementabout the season and going to the playoffs,
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and but this year it was sodifferent. Why why do you think
forwards going to separate the four wardswith each It's not forwards, Brad Holmes,
Dan Campbell and the reason it's different. And listen, it's only year
two and a half almost three.It's year three. He's going into this
is year three is not over yet, so it's year two whatever, No,
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but it's year three. But let'snot get some antics here. Oh
my god, you and your crescendoand a half years. I'll give you
God, I swear to God.I'm seriously. You asked me the question.
Let me sing a balcony. Ijump off it right now. I'm
not I would throw you. Whatto me is different? And I like
Jim Caldwell and I know what's uhfour like Chill. I love Jim Caldwell.
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I know Martha din too, ButI and I Jim Schwartz took this
team from oh to sixteen to playoffs, used to wait tables on. It's
a nice family. But Dan Campbell, Bred Holmes, he was a jackass.
Schwartz, Yeah, Jim Shorts.I mean, I think he was
nice to be. But I meanI'm as ol wacko because you always say
I'm too positive this regime. Ihate saying regime, but this this stewardship
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of what's going on right now,and even Shila Ford hamp kind of tried
to do things differently than they didin the past. Going outside the organization,
it's different because the Lines are doingthings they never did in the past,
and they've got a coach that,yes, is he the greatest ex'es
and o's Bill Belichick. Well,let's not talk about Belchick now, you
know Bill Parcells whoever, No,he's not, but he's getting better.
And as far as motivating goes,there's maybe no better motivator in the NFL.
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Brad Holmes was a college scouting guy. Bob Quinn was a pro personnel
guy, and he sucked. TheLines could never identify who to draft.
Look at Sam Laporta, look atjamiyor Gibbs. Look at these guys that
are all up and down the rosterfor these last few drafts that are not
being cut. They're not being Imean, I know t. Jackins is
another team right now. But asidefrom guys like that, they're all performing
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and they're they're hitting their spots,like if you're someone you know, a
musician or a singer, you're hittingyour notes. And that's what I think
is different. Where the Lions Ithought, I mean, could they've lost
that Saturday? Of course, Rona, I didn't feel that worried about it
because they're so good at home,they're bouncing back, they're not bad after
they lose games. They're really good, actually one of the best in the
NFL. And I feel this confidenceas someone that has covered and been a
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Lions fan my entire life, thatfeels different than it has since maybe going
back to the nineties. They wereBarry Sandars. That was different back then.
Well. And what's also interesting isis people question Brad Holmes when he
took Jamir Gibbs, of course,and I did too, and I'm like,
why are you taking it freaking atyards pario. I guess I should
apologize. I'm not going to youdidn't apologize to me for the crescendo stuff
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that you know. Ever, youalso said why did I bring a football
to the studio because it's fun.You are a freaking weirdo, but that's
part of the greatness. What isthis seriously? I know why, but
you can't sit still, so youneed something to play Super eighty. I
gotta say they got it. Butyou know the Lions. Were you upset
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that the Seahawks came back to beatthe Eagles last night? The Lions would
have clinched les A playoffs and thatwas a crazy game. Once again,
my point NFL is tough. Iwasn't mad because I don't care about what
other teams are doing. The Lionshave to do what they have to do.
And if they beat Minnesota, whichthey I think they should even though,
and that's the thing now, itall comes well, beat the Vikings
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on Sunday, you clinch the NFCNorth Since nineteen ninety three, right,
that's what you have to do aroundback then, and this is exactly what
Dan Campbell said. We're going todo everything we can to win this division
and there's nothing that's going to beeasy about it. Man. You gotta
we got to go out to Minneapolisand face the Vikings, who are a
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very dangerous team, and find away to win it and get this division
a couple of weeks, I guess. But do you have a general philosoph
arresting players for the playoffs? Imean, be a week eighteen or just
you know, once you get somethinglocked up to give some when we're done
with the season, they're going torest. I promise you that they're gonna
get plenty of time off. Nobody'sresting you if you're waiting to arrest after
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the super Bowl, right, no, but please no, I'm not going
to the super Bowl this year.Never said they were bible. I am
surprised at the whole season. Igotta say. And what it's like the
other side of me? Do youthink I'm too positive? Well, I'm
not saying. You could be positiveall you want, That's not what I'm
saying. But you keep talking aboutthe crescendo building to a crescendo building and
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next year when it's like, I'mnot talking about next year, all right,
well we're talking about now, I'mtalking about what happens Saturday night.
Sure could agree more, but letme ask you this then. And by
the way, I know Minnesota's beena house of horrors. The Lions are
a better team than the like He'slike they were a better team than the
Broncos. They're playing in a dome. Jered Goff is boundary really ship the
bed against the Bengals. They don'twant to watch. They were up seven.
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They should have won that game.And you look at what this team
has done. It their best andto me, this is a game they
should win. I mean, they'rethree and a half four point favorites.
They should win this game on theroad. They do that, they take
all care of this. Let meask the question I want to ask you,
and I totally with you about worryabout now, not twenty twenty five
or twenty twenty seven or you know. And by the way, how nice
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is it that this time of year, this great holiday season, no matter
what you celebrate, that Lions fansare worrying about the seed they're gonna get
in the playoffs as supposed to whatdraft pick they're gonna have in the first
round. Yeah, yeah, theLight should lose this game because they look
at a higher pick. Stupid,So don't you This is the only thing
I want to ask you, andI totally accept what you're saying about the
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crescendo stuff. I don't think theLions are good enough to win it this
year, to win it all nowif they get there, of course I
wanted to. But if you're aLions fan, I'm not saying I was
asking general Lions fan. If you'relike this big Lions fan round it,
wouldn't you ran it? Rather,after all these years of heartbreak and you
know Blake and all the nonsense andbs that people come up with about the
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Starcross franchise, that when they getto the point to be good enough to
win a Super Bowl, which Ithink could be a couple of years away,
maybe a year away, would itbe better to be ready to win
it than get there and lose byforty like the Bills used to. That's
all I'm saying, Like, obviously, if I have a choice of going
to losing, you're not going onyou could get to the Super Bowl and
lose by forty. Good for you, right, And I'm i saying I'd
rather get to the Zuper Bowl andlose by forty than not go at all.
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But I feel like this team,with what Brad Holmes and Campbell are
doing and what the way they are, I won't even say it's snowning to
a Cesnendo what they are doing isidiot. Is that are getting to the
point where they're gonna be hopefully likethe Steelers have been for years. M
I'd say now, but like adecade contending type team, the Green Bay
Packers, the Niners. That's whatI want for the Lions because I don't
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want it to be good for oneyear on it this year and then not
be good for three years. Iwant it to be year in, year
out, which has always been thegoal, long term viable contention. That's
all I'm saying. Okay, you'relistening to the same old podcast. I
need an AP. I have aheadache. I'm Ronda Moss with iHeart Sports
Network along with Dan Leach in hisCrescendo, a drummer by trade. So
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I like music stuff. But Iguarantee you if you would ask. Okay,
let's ask Zach. He's a hugeLion. I can text my guy.
Super Bowl or Crescendo super Bowl,thank you. You could have both.
You could have both super Bowls,I'm telling you. But fans want
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a super Bowl now and they couldcare less what happens next year. Of
course, if you if you goto the super Bowl and whatever, happens,
doesn't matter what happened next two,three, four years, you got
a free pass. Sure, Butthe Lions, I'm telling you they could.
I mean, listen. Is thecraziest thing ever, with how they've
been able to play at home.If they got somehow got the two seed
or they're gonna get the one seamentif they played multiple playoff games at home,
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could they get to the Nfcuse ifthey if they win their division,
they will host a play off game. And please God, I wanted to
be the Rams, Matthew freaking Stafford. Sure today, Jesus, I swear
to God, unbelieve. Oh God, So I need the Rams to win?
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I need I need? Do weneed the Rams to win in order
for that to happen? Well,the Lions could. The three seed is
most likely. But the way thePhilly is lost obviously they've lost three in
a row. No, he's notlooking, no, no, no,
no no, But there's the theirlast three games are the Titans stealer.
Lions would probably have to be thethree. But the Rams are starting to
play some pretty good football. Ithink they've won one, four or five.
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Yeah, And if you're the twoor the three, you never thought
I would say, I want MatthewStafford to win. Do you know how
great of a game that would be? The It would be the full circle,
super full circle. It would belike, though, but then I'm
not gonna but I'm not gonna sayit, but anyway, yeah, so
that would be when I I wouldlove to see that because it would be
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Nutso I think I'll say it.I already know what you're thinking. We
could see who won that trade?Right right? Oh no, it's we.
Dan Campbell is allowing fans to saywe. So I'm not gonna get
Zach. Well, let me justsay this about the Stafford thing. And
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I was on are of the nightthat he got traded, and I was
a huge Stafford guy. I feltlike I was one of the few in
the media that really think you're wearinga Michigan Rams or Detroit Rams who ever
came up. Hold on, he'sa good Egg family man. Do you
know who came up with that?Of course, as a friend of mine,
he's got to I'm not gonna saythe company because I don't want to.
You know, it's not I thinkI thought he's got a teacher.
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Dumbest thing ever, let me explainwhat because people misunderstood that I wasn't wearing
Detroit Rapture because I was anti Lions. The Lions are one of my favorite
team by entire life. I startedgoing against when I was five years old,
I know, but I was wearingit because I'm a big Stafford guy
and it wasn't his it was nothis fault, and all these fans were
bleeding, so let it go.So it was the first set. Let
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it go really quick, back tothe point I was gonna make a by
winning the trade. I was onthe air that night and I remember saying
that Stafford, you know, thiswas as much of a Stafford guy as
I was, and I was very, you know, vehemently behind him for
years covering the lines. It hadto be done. It was the right
move, and it gave the Linesthe ability to let Stafford move on for
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himself and obviously him and winning theSuper Bowl, and for the Lions to
figure out who their franchise quarterback wouldbe. And I like it. I'm
a big poker guy, Ronda,I like it. Jared goff to being
like getting a pair of ases,you can, you know, just limp
in and call with the aces youcan bet big, you can fold.
At some point he was able tobe here and maybe, like you know,
mentoring younger kid, be a goodquarterback like he's been, be a
guy that saw long term. There'sall these different, you know, factors.
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And he also was the youngest guyever to start Super Bowl. So
I think Jared Goff is bad.But that trade, I think open the
lines franchise up to a whole newworld. One fantastic point of you all
the different things they had to getthere, right. But I'm gonna tell
you something, Brett, and Iunderstand what you're saying. But Brad Holmes
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not too long ago made a pointto say, who ever thought that Jared
Goff was a stop gap is anidiot? Right to be honest, you
can use the word idiot, ButI am that's the guy. Like I
said, I can't stress it off. He was the youngest guy to ever
started a Super Bowl and he didnot make a lot of mistakes. And
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this is a guy that could.But if that if everything comes together,
and can you imagine how the ratingswould be for that game, the NFL
would go that would definitely be theMonday night game. Oh for sure,
that would have to be one millionpercent and Ford Field would be as loud
as it's been ever. Yeah,so that's one thing I would like to
see happen. You're listening to thesame old podcast. I'm Ronda Moss with
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iHeart Sports Network along with Dan LeechSpy consered by Victory Lane, Quick Oil
Change. Okay, what do meansto me today? By the way,
what do you know? I'm thatI know? Do you just need to
hear the truth? The truth isgood people, You need to hear the
truth. But anyway true. Okay, So Lions are going to Minnesota on
Sunday playing the Vikings. If theywin, they win the NFC North for
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the first time since nineteen ninety three. I was sixteen. Okay, Lion's
raising ticket price, isn't it?I know, I causing a little uproar.
Listen, do you know the wholefive percent increase? That's a lot,
That's what it is. Well,they say anywhere from thirty percent to
eighty five percent. I'm not goingto say the Lions defense, but let
me just say this about the Lions, and they haven't really if I'm not
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mistaken raised prices, I don't knowthe numbers in front of me. This
is what happens when you start winning. Yeah, the Lions are one of
the most affordable tickets in the NFL. I know they're in the bottom ten
as far as affordability. So buteighty five percent, that's a lot of
money. I didn't know it wasas a huge increase. Well, that
means if you're paying two hundred,you're gonna be paying like three seventy's raizing
pants in the In the quote ofRonda, they haven't done anything. Why
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are they raising ticket price? Ihaven't even built took a shutdow yet,
right, I mean, who dothey think they are? Win a playoff
game and then raise your ticket presI totally agree, But you know that's
not the way they do things.No, I know, because it went
out season ticket holders, you haveto start renewing now, and so you
know. But I do think ifthat, if, if it's true from
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what I read, really eighty fivepercent, I can't imagine. Maybe eighty
five percent will be standing room tickets. I don't know. But if I
have a friend, I have friendsthat have club seats, they're super expensive.
I cannot imagine them raising them eightyfive percent so they'd be like seven
hundred dollars a ticket. No one'spaying that. But listen, the Lions
still are as far as affordability goesin the grand scheme of the NFL,
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way down near the bottom. Imean, I was talking to a guy
in from your ryeard for the jingleBall from New York. He was trying
to take his kid in and afriend of a Giants game, even though
the Giants suck right now, it'sSTI gonna cost him four two undred dollars
for three. It's here too,I mean everything, and if you go,
you buy your tickets. Parking isreally expensive, and then you get
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your food and whatever else and bigdonuts. It's a little pricey. I
mean, it's expensive. NFL.There's only eight cold games, right,
I get I get it, Iget it. But I think, if
it's true again, eighty five percentis a little steep to raise. I
mean, I understand eighty five Normallyit's like fifteen percent. Yeah, I
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bet you. Eighty five percent isfor like, I don't know, five
different seats in like the gold ticketsection. I don't know. But I
was talking to somebody when I wasleaving the game to this woman that works
at Ford Field. I can't rememberher name. She was lovely and she
just works in the where the glasseswhat is that called the elevators, the
crown seat those really oh yeah,yeah, where you could stand and watch
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the players walk off the field intothe last We always talked to those people.
My friends early in there were likewaving at them. Those tickets are
like twenty five thousand dollars. Yeah, but that's for the season. Yeah,
but there's only like, you know, thirty people that have them,
right, those are for the superrich thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
you get the players. People,you get the players, watch them
coming it out of the locker room. So like people that have body love
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that kind of access. Cowboys startedthat years ago, and people pay them
riveting to watch them walk off thefield and into the locker. We see
that all we see it, andthey're very nice. When they walk in,
they'll talk or whatever, I mean, you know, stand and take
a picture. If I'm not mistaken, I don't know, but they they
do. It's not it might notbe riveting because we've seen it in our
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whole lives. But I have afriend that has kids that has see it's
a seven year old and a tenyear old. For them, it literally
is like the coolest thing ever.It's like going to the moon or the
bottom of the ocean. What fightwhere you wanted to throw me earlier today?
Okay, Hey, we're getting lotsof good response for the show You
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take Over the World. Two questionsto wrap this puppy up. Piston's Jazz
Thursday night. Well, they snappedtheir streak. So you say they're gonna
lose twenty five straight, I thinkyou're gonna lose thirty two straight. Okay.
Pistons Vikings Sunday in Minnesota. TheVikings would be Vikings one hundred and
forty Pistons, one hundred Vikings Lions. I think that the Vikings, even
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though Dobbs had taken to called itwhat is it the pastor whatever you pastor
or not? Yeah, that's stuff'sover. I know that stuff's over.
Nick Bullens actually did a decent jobon the road. I have to say
their defense so good, so muchbetter than the last. Yes, but
obviously justin Jefferson's a threat. He'skilled the Lions before. The Lions have
had a house of horrors at thewhether it was the old Metrome or obviously
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the new stadium now. But tome, this is a different Lions team.
Well, and also, I'm sorryI have to interrupt because we didn't
even get to c J. GardnerJohnson coming back. I thought we did
get to my fact that I broughtour good friend Dave rig First fifty a
birthday, is a big Brougess fan, and he was miserable. The whole
game is great, Yeah, butnobody cares anyway. But Jake Gardner Johnson
is coming back practicing this week.He could be back before. I think
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that. I think they'll wait untilthe playoffs to you don't want to risk
him getting hurt? Yeah, definitely, how you don't want to do?
They need a game under his beltthough maybe he plays the last game of
the season when they maybe the Lionswill Yeah, they're not going to rest
players. Well if they pitched theirseat in their division. Dan Campbell just
said no, when the seasons,they're not going to risk getting hurt in
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week eight if they're locked in.Okay, So anyway, so your Lion's
Vikings score, Yeah, so listen, Jefferson is going to be a factor.
I think that the Vikings defense iskind of regressed times. Obviously they
blewed in the second Advocate Cincinnati.You saw the Bengals with Jake Brown and
kind of do whatever they wanted inthe second one. Ever, that is
I've never heard of it. Heplayed almost won the heighs. Never heard
of him. You've heard of him. He's a good friend of yours.
Don't know who he is. Ithink this is going to be a closer.
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He is coming to a crescendo.It definitely is, as is this
show. That's why it's amazing.The Lions are gonna go on the road.
It'll be a little closer than youknow. Lions fans might want to
see it. But Golf will continuethe good play. He will not turn
the ball over. I think you'regonna see Gibbs and Laporta have big games
again, much like guys. Ithink we're the last game. And Jamison
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Williams. I was impressed with himon on Saturday night. He played very
wow. Josh Reynolds had forty yardsand a couple of catches early in the
game. I which I would haveput that in my parlay, but I
did, but not Jamo. Ithink the Lions win this game, win
their first division since nineteen ninety three. Then you're gonna win it thirty one
to twenty ish, similar to whatI had the Broncos prediction, which wasn't
too far off. Dan, Thankyou so much always, I appreciate you,
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and this is our best show yet. Well and they're all amazing.
Shut up? Well, no,do you want to? Can I tell
you this funny story? So yesterdayI had a slept to the East side.
I had to go to the dentist. My cousin is my dentist,
and he's on the East Si Roseville, doctor Mark Steineld. If you need
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to go to a dentist, gosee him because he's fabulous. Too far
anyway, So I had I stoppedat a drug store. I'm not gonna
name which one, but the personbehind the counter was overleaf, uh sweet,
and it was like, hey,hi, oh, don't you just
love the snow? I hate drivingin it, but I love the snow
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and it did. And everybody inline kept looking at each other like is
she for real? But it waslike over the like, Hi, could
how are you? Oh my god? It's so oh look at you're getting
a candy this a candy bar.Oh look at this Do you have your
rewards card? Just plug it in. I seriously wanted to punch somebody in
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She was so nice, she wasvery but do you ever get that,
like it's like, am I isthere? Am I in a movie?
Or is there a scene being shothere? It was so bizarre. I
was in bizarro world for a minutebecause she was so it was like,
but everybody in line thought the samething, like, well, you want
to know what's said about that,not not that you were wrong to think
that way, that we're in aperiod of time now where everyone's used to
(38:01):
people being jerky. No, I'mnot saying so it's weird to see they
so it was. She was sosweet, she gave she gave her me
a cavity. Maybe it was performanceart. Maybe she was so it was
so bizarre. It was really andI gotta give her credit because if you're
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