Ann Wilson of Heart chats with host Lisa Worden about her musical beginnings with her sister Nancy, being a female rock band in the 70s, her new solo album, touring and more.
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You're listening to. She is thevoice the female alternative artists that you need
to know. Here's your HOSTA WardenAll ninety eight seven, LA's new alternative
you're listening to. She is thevoice. And I don't even know how
to put into words. I amabsolutely honored to have as our guest tonight,
Anne Wilson from Heart Hello, Hi, Anne. Hi. We have
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a lot of guests on the show, and you know, we've had everyone
from Amy Lee and Evan Essence toKaren No from the ya Ya Yeahs,
to Haley Williams from Paramore, allsorts of artists, but I think I
am perhaps the most blown away rightnow to have you in the room with
us. Oh well, thank you, Thanks you very much. Absolutely.
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I mean, when I think ofyou and your sister, you guys are
pioneers for women in rock music,and yeah, I guess so we didn't
know that that's what it was goingto be, but it turned out being
sort of that, Yeah, Iimagine at the time, Yeah, who
would know? And I mean,I'd love to hear a little bit of
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the story. I mean, isthis something that you and Nancy had always
thought about and kind of planned ashey, let's start a bad like I
really don't know. Yeah, wewe were the second and third of three
girls in our family, and soshe and I were little kids together and
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we would play with dolls and horsestatues and be out in the yard and
everything, and it kind of wasa natural evolution from being horses together to
playing guitars together. It's kind ofhard to describe how that happened, but
it had a lot to do withthe Beatles coming out and them being like
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so exciting and so inspirational to usas music people, and so yeah,
it wasn't long before we started going, let's see, how do we nourish
this flame that's inside that wants toget in front of people and wants to
sing and play and and delve intothe words of songs and song meanings and
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all that. We both were harmonysingers in school and all that kind of
stuff. So when we were justin our room back at our parents' house,
in our room with our two guitars, we learned how to play together.
And by just back in those days, it was a turntable with a
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song that you liked, and youjust played it over and over and tried
to emulate it, you know,and that's how you learned unreal. Yeah,
And so that's just how it sortof evolved into that. And first
we had a folk group with ourother sister Lynn called the Prunes. It
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was kind of jokey, you know, and then and then it got more
serious and we got some other girlsfrom school and had like a four four
women folk group called the Viewpoints,and that evolved and morphed into Finally I
got to the point where I wassick of just playing folk music with an
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acoustic guitar, and I wanted toget loud, you know, and play
rock. And so I met someguys from school. Nancy was still too
young to do it. And itis this high school at this point,
or yes, ninth grade through seniorin high school, and then I guess
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by the time I graduated from highschool, like I was seriously on the
road to being in a band professionally, and I just couldn't think of anything
else I wanted to do. Itried a couple of summer jobs, you
know, and nothing worked, nothingwould hold my attention. Did not have
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that kind of infrastructure inside myself todo a nine to five job. Yeah,
even over the summer. Yeah,yeah, yeah, it just had
to go back to pounding and tryingto be in a band, and one
thing led to another and here weare. Yeah. Oh my goodness,
Heart the band. Heart sold overthirty five million records, twenty top forty
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singles, seven top ten albums.What a career you have had. And
again I go back to we startedthis she as the Voice show to honor
and celebrate females and women in rockmusic. And I'm hard pressed to think
of other artists who have achieved whatyou have achieved in your career. And
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I just want to acknowledge that tothe audience listening right now. Who maybe
you know I haven't seen Heart liveor because I can speak for the way.
Yeah, I saw Heart at theiHeart Music Festival. It was twenty
nineteen. That was the first timeI had seen Heart. I was so
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excited. You guys were so amazing. I think it's so important for the
audience listening to hear the story ofHeart. And then we also are going
to talk about this wonderful new albumthat you just released. And it's been
it's been quite some time since you'vehad new music. Yeah, we just
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released another Door which is a newalbum on the twenty ninth, Yes,
September twenty ninth. Yep, it'sbeen it's been a year and a half
since Fierce Bliss, the previous album, but that was an assortment of a
few originals and a bunch of covers. You know. This is all original,
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like new original songs. Yes.Yeah, so it's a first,
Yes, it's really a first.So yeah. So we're talking about Anne
Wilson's new album called Another Door andit's with her band Tripsetter. And I
was talking to Anne. I waslistening to the album as I was driving,
and your band is so good.I know, they are the best.
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I mean, they're so real andthey don't have any agenda other than
just they love music, you know. Yes, they're just all good people
too. Are these are these guysyou've known for a while. I met
these people probably two and a halfthree years ago when I was working down
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at Muscle Showals in Alabama, justtrying to develop some demos I had.
Yeah, I had this guy TomBukovac to sort of lead the session,
like, bring these some musicians thatyou like and we'll work on these demos
together. Yeah, And he assembledthis bunch of guys that just blew me
away. Yeah, they're on thismusical level that is. I've never worked
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with that before. I could telljust by listening to the album. I'm
like, holy crap. I meanthe drumming, I mean just the music.
It's just you pair that with youand your vocals. I mean,
it's just Yes, the album isit's amazing. Yeah, we definitely leveled
up when we met to met eachother and decided to do something together.
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How has the tour been going thatyou're on. Oh, it's been going
great. We've been on tour sincelast June. Yes, and wow.
We had one break that was twoweeks long and another two weeks to go,
and then we have a month offand then we do another leg this
winter. We've been playing a lotof shows, mostly in theaters and in
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mid sized places that are more intimate. That's what I noticed. Yeh,
And I just love it. Ijust really like it. As a singer
and a front person, you know, you can relate to people better and
more clearly. I think the fewerof them there are, And although I
don't want to go too far withthat, the fewer the better, because
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really the more the better. Butthe smaller audiences are easier to reach.
It's just a more intimate experience.Is what if the audience has been like,
oh, they've been incredible, Likethey don't know what to expect really,
so they just go and they go, wow, good good song,
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another good song, another good song, and then by the time the set
is over, there their nuts.They're crazy, you know. And that
is it's been working really great.I'm so happy to hear that. And
I'd love to talk to you aboutwhat it was like in the seventies,
coming of age in that era wherethere really weren't a lot of female rock
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bands. I mean, I'm Ican't really name many or any really,
and what was Tell me about it? What was it like then? I
mean it was dominated by by reallyby men, and it did that matter,
right, Maybe it didn't even occurto you. I don't know,
but it didn't really occur at thetime. It was we were all very
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conditioned to having it be a femaledesert, right. It just kind of
was what it guessed, right,Yeah, and it is. I used
to get asked that question all thetime time, why aren't there more women
in rock? And what would yousay? I never had an answer because
I didn't know. Now I thinkI know. I think it's it's because
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it's it's a hard, hard thing, and it means total self sacrifice and
and you really have to give itall up to do this job, and
that means maybe deep things like childrenand husband and all that kind of stuff
of it. Right. Yeah.So but as the decades have gone by,
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that's changed a lot, and Ithink people have figured out how to,
you know, integrate their professional liveswith their other lives. You're right,
And touring has evolved in a way. You know. Back then,
Yeah, you're on a bus andthat's that's where you were, and you
maybe aren't on multiple buses, itmight be one or two. And now
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you know, there's bands that takeprivate jets and they don't tour for three
months straight without a break. Theymight go out and play for three weeks
and come home for their family fora week or two. Yeah, so
you're right, it has evolved.You know. When I think about Heart,
I think about how you and yoursister were some of the inspiration to
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women to pick up a guitar,to be in a rock band, to
start in a rock band, breakinggenre barriers and it just such an inspiration
to rock music. Yeah, andfirst of all, I thank you for
that. Well, thank you,You're welcome. I just think that why
not, as women are half ofthe human race, maybe a little over
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half, why wouldn't they be atleast half of the music industry. I
mean, why wouldn't they They shouldbe thank you, thank you for those
words. I mean even now,you know, I don't know the exact
statistic, but you know, inthe medium I work in, yeah,
it's still primarily, you know,a male dominated business. You know,
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we're trying. I'm proud to haverisen up through ranks to get to where
I am. And I'm not aloneup here there there are other women,
but it's still you know, yeah, you're doing something unique. I just
don't know who could do it anybetter. Really, I mean, nobody
could do it better or worse.It's just it's all according to the person.
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Yeah, Heart was inducted into theRock and Roll Hall of Fame in
twenty thirteen. Yes, and ChrisCornell was the person who inducted you in
there. And there's a Seattle connectionthere, there's a rock and roll connection
there is Was that a night youremember, and is that something you think
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of fondly when you well, isthat something that mattered to you very much?
To be inducted. It's a bigdeal to be in the fame.
Yeah, the Rock Hall was.Yeah, that was an amazing night.
And to have Chris Cornell inductus wasamazing because we didn't know he was going
to He's he's been a buddy fora long time. Wow. Well I
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talk about him like he's still here, he kind of is. Yeah,
that was a night that's kind oflike a dream sequence at this point because
there were so many people there thatlike, you look down at the audience
and you see the whole industry outthere. Yes, you see all these
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managers and booking agents and you know, everybody promoters. It's incredibly wild to
see him all in one place likethat. Well, it makes me happy
that you you finally got that honorthat is so well deserved and to be
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recognized in front of that room,right and for that room. It wasn't
only the woman thing. It wasthe are they hip enough? Thing?
I Mean there's this unspoken sort ofrock intelligentsia thing about how hip are they
really? Have they been on SNLyou know, and well, you just
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can't quantify that. Really. Youknow, what I've I've sometimes learned is
being hip doesn't always mean you're good. So some of the most talented musicians
and artists aren't really that hip,but man, they're good. And in
my eyes, I think you arehip and cool and all the things.
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So thank you. I think I'vearrived. Then if you've arrived long before
we I've met and had this conversation, not many other bands can can claim
the victories that you can, andso much I'm joking really, but yeah,
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no, but paving the way formusicians and artists percent yeah, And
that doesn't mean that just because someonelike Stevie Nixon, Anna Nancy Wilson have
done it before that it's just ashoe in. It means that, okay,
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here's your chance to actually throw yourhat in the ring and come into
competition with all these incredible musicians.Yeah, that happen to be men.
It means you have to be reallygood and be original and be a force
to be reckoned with. And youcan't just go, well, I'm a
chick and I have good looking brisksand I'm good looking, so I'm great.
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No, thank you. It doesn'twork, you know, that doesn't
quite work in the long term.No, no, that does not.
Some of Heart's biggest songs Barrakuda,Crazy on You, I mean, these
are just rock anthems. And thenyou had an era and I have to
admit I was a I'm trying tothink was I a teen in this era?
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But what about love and These Dreams? I mean those were I couldn't
get away from you on MTV,I know, so that's weird. Oh
it was crazy. I mean Iwas an MTV kid and watched it religiously
when I got home from school,and These Dreams was one of my favorite
songs ever, and I loved thevideo. But it was kind of a
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change for you guys musically, Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was one
of those sea changes kind of where, yeah, where we had come to
the end of what we could ofour relevance as a seventies kind of gypsy
hippie band from Vancouver, and wewanted to do something different. And we
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met this guy from Capital, DonGrierson, who believed in us and said,
look, you know, if youjust come over to Capitol and be
on this record label, we canreally help you and they did. Wow,
So we had this second birth timeof all the videos and the big
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hair and all that kind of stuffand the theatrics that the eighties were.
I do. I remember the bighair in the beautiful dress. It took
a lot of work to get thehair to do that. A lot of
stuff went into that hair. Itwas awesome, awesome, but just all
over MTV and just it seems likeyou kind of crossed over a little bit
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from the rock world into a moremainstream world with those songs, which was
really cool. Yeah, And thatwasn't the intent, right to become more
mainstream. It just happened that way, just exactly. Yeah. Yeah.
It's like, and I see itall the time, where you know bands
they're already really big in the rockgenre and then they write these songs and
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they don't even know they're doing it. They don't know, they don't know
it's going to take them in thatsong. Yeah, yes, yes,
yes. A good example of thatwould be The Police or Peter Gabriel.
Absolutely right, just really incredible leftfield artists who happened to write a song
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that just grab people. Yes,yes, and it reaches a broader audience
because it's it's for whatever reason,it's touching people in that way. Yeah,
yeah, no, I love itand I love that era era of
heart. You also guessed vocal.You did guest vocals on a Disturbed song
with David Draymond, and that songis awesome. It's called Don't Tell Me
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in case the audience you know,hasn't heard it yet. But tell us
about that a little bit. Well, they don't really need to put any
muscle behind it because their fan baseis so huge and rabbit you know that
that they just have to put outtheir album and everyone just jumps on it.
I know he loves that song,but he's an amazing singer. Yes,
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he is a fantastic person and justso intelligent and soulful. And had
you had you guys known each otheror is this a new friendship like it's
it's new. It's probably about ayear Okay. Yeah, they just they
got in touch with me and saidwe were thinking of this, And I
can see why they would have been, because the song Don't Tell Me is
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it's kind of shades of what aboutLove or something. It's it's a big,
huge balance and a great song fora duet. Yes, great song.
I thought so too. And andonce again, congratulations on the new
album that just came out, Yes, with your band Trip Sitter, and
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the album is called Another Door.It is out now. What would be
your favorite song off the new Doyou have a favorite song? They're all
your babies. It's hard to picka baby, but I love Stranger in
a Strange Land? Am I sayingit? Oh great? Okay, I'm
like, I didn't write down that, but that one really spoke to me.
I love the opening song, it'skind of like a little more moody.
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And then yes, but tell usabout some of your favorites. Well,
one of my favorites is called MissOne and Only. And I just
like that song because it's a Idon't know, it's got it's got a
great feeling, it's got a greatpoem to it, and it's just about
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somebody sitting on their porch having alittle cocktail at the end of the day
and dreaming of their lover who's faraway. I mean, we've all felt
that. I think it's in someway, but this song is it's warm,
and it's got great harmonies and it'sactually really cool. I like it.
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Another one I do like Tripsitter thefirst one on the rest, Yes,
yes, and oh there's one calledRuler of the Night that I like.
It's a song about a nerd,a total nerd, no self confidence,
who opens up their closet door andfinds this magical garment and puts it
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on and is transformed this into theRuler of the Night. You know.
Yeah, that's a pretty cool,very cool. So I believe the single
is this is Now. So we'regoing to play This is Now right here
on ninety eight seven. Is theresomething you want to say about why this
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was chosen as a single. Yeah. I just think that it's a song
about what it seems like it wouldbe about, and that's just the moment
that we live in right now.There's nothing more important, there's nothing more
real, and it's all that we'reassured of. I mean, it's what
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we got. Let's let's inhabit it. Yeah, and it's a pretty simple
message really, but you'd be amazedhow people respond to it live. When
the song is over, they justgo, WHOA. I never thought of
that. That's awesome. They dohave a reaction, you know, Like
that is when you introduce a conceptlike that, that is very cool one
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of my You know, I'm guiltyof sometimes worrying or stressing out about things
in the future, and and Ihave to be constantly reminded quit worrying about
things that haven't happened yet. Yeah, And I'm guilty of it all the
time. Everybody is, everyone isor looking back h so much that that's
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all you can do. You're right, Yeah, And I know I'm part
of a generation that is getting upthere in years now, and so it's
a great temptation to just go,oh, yeah, I did this back
then, but it's it's a realchallenge to always be in the moment.
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You're absolutely right, And I justwant to say to you the fact that
you are still making music and notjust making music. You made an amazing
album, you're touring, your careeris thriving, and I want to say
congratulations. In the same breath,I also want to just again thank you
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for all you have done for rockmusic, for women, for you know,
even for men. I mean,yeah, Dave Grohl is a the
Food Fighters are very big artists forthe radio station. Dave grol loves you
and loves heart and You've touched somany different musicians of all shapes and sizes,
all sexes, It doesn't matter.But that's really important to remember too.
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I mean, we do tend tofavor women a lot it the way
we talk, but the world iseverybody. Yes, It's what makes it
difficult and wonderful for women in musicis that they get to interact with men
on this equal level. Yes,and it's not about anything, but how
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good are you? Can we playmusic together? Yes, we can stand
on the same level playing field andplay yeah and harmonize and stuff. I
mean that's like a microcosm of thetwo genders mixing. Yes. Yes,
absolutely well, on that note,I think that's a good way to end
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our talk together. It's been absolutelywonderful. Thanks for having me. She
is the voice the female musicians thatare creating tomorrow sounds. She is the
voice. I'm a ninety eighty sevenLA's new alternative
You're listening to. She is thevoice the female alternative artists that you need
to know. Here's your HOSTA WardenAll ninety eight seven, LA's new alternative
you're listening to. She is thevoice. And I don't even know how
to put into words. I amabsolutely honored to have as our guest tonight,
Anne Wilson from Heart Hello, Hi, Anne. Hi. We have
(00:23):
a lot of guests on the show, and you know, we've had everyone
from Amy Lee and Evan Essence toKaren No from the ya Ya Yeahs,
to Haley Williams from Paramore, allsorts of artists, but I think I
am perhaps the most blown away rightnow to have you in the room with
us. Oh well, thank you, Thanks you very much. Absolutely.
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I mean, when I think ofyou and your sister, you guys are
pioneers for women in rock music,and yeah, I guess so we didn't
know that that's what it was goingto be, but it turned out being
sort of that, Yeah, Iimagine at the time, Yeah, who
would know? And I mean,I'd love to hear a little bit of
(01:10):
the story. I mean, isthis something that you and Nancy had always
thought about and kind of planned ashey, let's start a bad like I
really don't know. Yeah, wewe were the second and third of three
girls in our family, and soshe and I were little kids together and
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we would play with dolls and horsestatues and be out in the yard and
everything, and it kind of wasa natural evolution from being horses together to
playing guitars together. It's kind ofhard to describe how that happened, but
it had a lot to do withthe Beatles coming out and them being like
(01:57):
so exciting and so inspirational to usas music people, and so yeah,
it wasn't long before we started going, let's see, how do we nourish
this flame that's inside that wants toget in front of people and wants to
sing and play and and delve intothe words of songs and song meanings and
(02:23):
all that. We both were harmonysingers in school and all that kind of
stuff. So when we were justin our room back at our parents' house,
in our room with our two guitars, we learned how to play together.
And by just back in those days, it was a turntable with a
(02:46):
song that you liked, and youjust played it over and over and tried
to emulate it, you know,and that's how you learned unreal. Yeah,
And so that's just how it sortof evolved into that. And first
we had a folk group with ourother sister Lynn called the Prunes. It
(03:07):
was kind of jokey, you know, and then and then it got more
serious and we got some other girlsfrom school and had like a four four
women folk group called the Viewpoints,and that evolved and morphed into Finally I
got to the point where I wassick of just playing folk music with an
(03:27):
acoustic guitar, and I wanted toget loud, you know, and play
rock. And so I met someguys from school. Nancy was still too
young to do it. And itis this high school at this point,
or yes, ninth grade through seniorin high school, and then I guess
(03:51):
by the time I graduated from highschool, like I was seriously on the
road to being in a band professionally, and I just couldn't think of anything
else I wanted to do. Itried a couple of summer jobs, you
know, and nothing worked, nothingwould hold my attention. Did not have
(04:15):
that kind of infrastructure inside myself todo a nine to five job. Yeah,
even over the summer. Yeah,yeah, yeah, it just had
to go back to pounding and tryingto be in a band, and one
thing led to another and here weare. Yeah. Oh my goodness,
Heart the band. Heart sold overthirty five million records, twenty top forty
(04:41):
singles, seven top ten albums.What a career you have had. And
again I go back to we startedthis she as the Voice show to honor
and celebrate females and women in rockmusic. And I'm hard pressed to think
of other artists who have achieved whatyou have achieved in your career. And
(05:08):
I just want to acknowledge that tothe audience listening right now. Who maybe
you know I haven't seen Heart liveor because I can speak for the way.
Yeah, I saw Heart at theiHeart Music Festival. It was twenty
nineteen. That was the first timeI had seen Heart. I was so
(05:29):
excited. You guys were so amazing. I think it's so important for the
audience listening to hear the story ofHeart. And then we also are going
to talk about this wonderful new albumthat you just released. And it's been
it's been quite some time since you'vehad new music. Yeah, we just
(05:50):
released another Door which is a newalbum on the twenty ninth, Yes,
September twenty ninth. Yep, it'sbeen it's been a year and a half
since Fierce Bliss, the previous album, but that was an assortment of a
few originals and a bunch of covers. You know. This is all original,
(06:12):
like new original songs. Yes.Yeah, so it's a first,
Yes, it's really a first.So yeah. So we're talking about Anne
Wilson's new album called Another Door andit's with her band Tripsetter. And I
was talking to Anne. I waslistening to the album as I was driving,
and your band is so good.I know, they are the best.
(06:36):
I mean, they're so real andthey don't have any agenda other than
just they love music, you know. Yes, they're just all good people
too. Are these are these guysyou've known for a while. I met
these people probably two and a halfthree years ago when I was working down
(07:00):
at Muscle Showals in Alabama, justtrying to develop some demos I had.
Yeah, I had this guy TomBukovac to sort of lead the session,
like, bring these some musicians thatyou like and we'll work on these demos
together. Yeah, And he assembledthis bunch of guys that just blew me
away. Yeah, they're on thismusical level that is. I've never worked
(07:26):
with that before. I could telljust by listening to the album. I'm
like, holy crap. I meanthe drumming, I mean just the music.
It's just you pair that with youand your vocals. I mean,
it's just Yes, the album isit's amazing. Yeah, we definitely leveled
up when we met to met eachother and decided to do something together.
(07:49):
How has the tour been going thatyou're on. Oh, it's been going
great. We've been on tour sincelast June. Yes, and wow.
We had one break that was twoweeks long and another two weeks to go,
and then we have a month offand then we do another leg this
winter. We've been playing a lotof shows, mostly in theaters and in
(08:16):
mid sized places that are more intimate. That's what I noticed. Yeh,
And I just love it. Ijust really like it. As a singer
and a front person, you know, you can relate to people better and
more clearly. I think the fewerof them there are, And although I
don't want to go too far withthat, the fewer the better, because
(08:39):
really the more the better. Butthe smaller audiences are easier to reach.
It's just a more intimate experience.Is what if the audience has been like,
oh, they've been incredible, Likethey don't know what to expect really,
so they just go and they go, wow, good good song,
(09:00):
another good song, another good song, and then by the time the set
is over, there their nuts.They're crazy, you know. And that
is it's been working really great.I'm so happy to hear that. And
I'd love to talk to you aboutwhat it was like in the seventies,
coming of age in that era wherethere really weren't a lot of female rock
(09:24):
bands. I mean, I'm Ican't really name many or any really,
and what was Tell me about it? What was it like then? I
mean it was dominated by by reallyby men, and it did that matter,
right, Maybe it didn't even occurto you. I don't know,
but it didn't really occur at thetime. It was we were all very
(09:46):
conditioned to having it be a femaledesert, right. It just kind of
was what it guessed, right,Yeah, and it is. I used
to get asked that question all thetime time, why aren't there more women
in rock? And what would yousay? I never had an answer because
I didn't know. Now I thinkI know. I think it's it's because
(10:13):
it's it's a hard, hard thing, and it means total self sacrifice and
and you really have to give itall up to do this job, and
that means maybe deep things like childrenand husband and all that kind of stuff
of it. Right. Yeah.So but as the decades have gone by,
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that's changed a lot, and Ithink people have figured out how to,
you know, integrate their professional liveswith their other lives. You're right,
And touring has evolved in a way. You know. Back then,
Yeah, you're on a bus andthat's that's where you were, and you
maybe aren't on multiple buses, itmight be one or two. And now
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you know, there's bands that takeprivate jets and they don't tour for three
months straight without a break. Theymight go out and play for three weeks
and come home for their family fora week or two. Yeah, so
you're right, it has evolved.You know. When I think about Heart,
I think about how you and yoursister were some of the inspiration to
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women to pick up a guitar,to be in a rock band, to
start in a rock band, breakinggenre barriers and it just such an inspiration
to rock music. Yeah, andfirst of all, I thank you for
that. Well, thank you,You're welcome. I just think that why
not, as women are half ofthe human race, maybe a little over
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half, why wouldn't they be atleast half of the music industry. I
mean, why wouldn't they They shouldbe thank you, thank you for those
words. I mean even now,you know, I don't know the exact
statistic, but you know, inthe medium I work in, yeah,
it's still primarily, you know,a male dominated business. You know,
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we're trying. I'm proud to haverisen up through ranks to get to where
I am. And I'm not aloneup here there there are other women,
but it's still you know, yeah, you're doing something unique. I just
don't know who could do it anybetter. Really, I mean, nobody
could do it better or worse.It's just it's all according to the person.
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Yeah, Heart was inducted into theRock and Roll Hall of Fame in
twenty thirteen. Yes, and ChrisCornell was the person who inducted you in
there. And there's a Seattle connectionthere, there's a rock and roll connection
there is Was that a night youremember, and is that something you think
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of fondly when you well, isthat something that mattered to you very much?
To be inducted. It's a bigdeal to be in the fame.
Yeah, the Rock Hall was.Yeah, that was an amazing night.
And to have Chris Cornell inductus wasamazing because we didn't know he was going
to He's he's been a buddy fora long time. Wow. Well I
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talk about him like he's still here, he kind of is. Yeah,
that was a night that's kind oflike a dream sequence at this point because
there were so many people there thatlike, you look down at the audience
and you see the whole industry outthere. Yes, you see all these
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managers and booking agents and you know, everybody promoters. It's incredibly wild to
see him all in one place likethat. Well, it makes me happy
that you you finally got that honorthat is so well deserved and to be
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recognized in front of that room,right and for that room. It wasn't
only the woman thing. It wasthe are they hip enough? Thing?
I Mean there's this unspoken sort ofrock intelligentsia thing about how hip are they
really? Have they been on SNLyou know, and well, you just
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can't quantify that. Really. Youknow, what I've I've sometimes learned is
being hip doesn't always mean you're good. So some of the most talented musicians
and artists aren't really that hip,but man, they're good. And in
my eyes, I think you arehip and cool and all the things.
(14:52):
So thank you. I think I'vearrived. Then if you've arrived long before
we I've met and had this conversation, not many other bands can can claim
the victories that you can, andso much I'm joking really, but yeah,
(15:13):
no, but paving the way formusicians and artists percent yeah, And
that doesn't mean that just because someonelike Stevie Nixon, Anna Nancy Wilson have
done it before that it's just ashoe in. It means that, okay,
(15:33):
here's your chance to actually throw yourhat in the ring and come into
competition with all these incredible musicians.Yeah, that happen to be men.
It means you have to be reallygood and be original and be a force
to be reckoned with. And youcan't just go, well, I'm a
chick and I have good looking brisksand I'm good looking, so I'm great.
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No, thank you. It doesn'twork, you know, that doesn't
quite work in the long term.No, no, that does not.
Some of Heart's biggest songs Barrakuda,Crazy on You, I mean, these
are just rock anthems. And thenyou had an era and I have to
admit I was a I'm trying tothink was I a teen in this era?
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But what about love and These Dreams? I mean those were I couldn't
get away from you on MTV,I know, so that's weird. Oh
it was crazy. I mean Iwas an MTV kid and watched it religiously
when I got home from school,and These Dreams was one of my favorite
songs ever, and I loved thevideo. But it was kind of a
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change for you guys musically, Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was one
of those sea changes kind of where, yeah, where we had come to
the end of what we could ofour relevance as a seventies kind of gypsy
hippie band from Vancouver, and wewanted to do something different. And we
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met this guy from Capital, DonGrierson, who believed in us and said,
look, you know, if youjust come over to Capitol and be
on this record label, we canreally help you and they did. Wow,
So we had this second birth timeof all the videos and the big
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hair and all that kind of stuffand the theatrics that the eighties were.
I do. I remember the bighair in the beautiful dress. It took
a lot of work to get thehair to do that. A lot of
stuff went into that hair. Itwas awesome, awesome, but just all
over MTV and just it seems likeyou kind of crossed over a little bit
(17:48):
from the rock world into a moremainstream world with those songs, which was
really cool. Yeah, And thatwasn't the intent, right to become more
mainstream. It just happened that way, just exactly. Yeah. Yeah.
It's like, and I see itall the time, where you know bands
they're already really big in the rockgenre and then they write these songs and
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they don't even know they're doing it. They don't know, they don't know
it's going to take them in thatsong. Yeah, yes, yes,
yes. A good example of thatwould be The Police or Peter Gabriel.
Absolutely right, just really incredible leftfield artists who happened to write a song
(18:33):
that just grab people. Yes,yes, and it reaches a broader audience
because it's it's for whatever reason,it's touching people in that way. Yeah,
yeah, no, I love itand I love that era era of
heart. You also guessed vocal.You did guest vocals on a Disturbed song
with David Draymond, and that songis awesome. It's called Don't Tell Me
(18:57):
in case the audience you know,hasn't heard it yet. But tell us
about that a little bit. Well, they don't really need to put any
muscle behind it because their fan baseis so huge and rabbit you know that
that they just have to put outtheir album and everyone just jumps on it.
I know he loves that song,but he's an amazing singer. Yes,
(19:21):
he is a fantastic person and justso intelligent and soulful. And had
you had you guys known each otheror is this a new friendship like it's
it's new. It's probably about ayear Okay. Yeah, they just they
got in touch with me and saidwe were thinking of this, And I
can see why they would have been, because the song Don't Tell Me is
(19:45):
it's kind of shades of what aboutLove or something. It's it's a big,
huge balance and a great song fora duet. Yes, great song.
I thought so too. And andonce again, congratulations on the new
album that just came out, Yes, with your band Trip Sitter, and
(20:07):
the album is called Another Door.It is out now. What would be
your favorite song off the new Doyou have a favorite song? They're all
your babies. It's hard to picka baby, but I love Stranger in
a Strange Land? Am I sayingit? Oh great? Okay, I'm
like, I didn't write down that, but that one really spoke to me.
I love the opening song, it'skind of like a little more moody.
(20:30):
And then yes, but tell usabout some of your favorites. Well,
one of my favorites is called MissOne and Only. And I just
like that song because it's a Idon't know, it's got it's got a
great feeling, it's got a greatpoem to it, and it's just about
(20:52):
somebody sitting on their porch having alittle cocktail at the end of the day
and dreaming of their lover who's faraway. I mean, we've all felt
that. I think it's in someway, but this song is it's warm,
and it's got great harmonies and it'sactually really cool. I like it.
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Another one I do like Tripsitter thefirst one on the rest, Yes,
yes, and oh there's one calledRuler of the Night that I like.
It's a song about a nerd,a total nerd, no self confidence,
who opens up their closet door andfinds this magical garment and puts it
(21:38):
on and is transformed this into theRuler of the Night. You know.
Yeah, that's a pretty cool,very cool. So I believe the single
is this is Now. So we'regoing to play This is Now right here
on ninety eight seven. Is theresomething you want to say about why this
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was chosen as a single. Yeah. I just think that it's a song
about what it seems like it wouldbe about, and that's just the moment
that we live in right now.There's nothing more important, there's nothing more
real, and it's all that we'reassured of. I mean, it's what
(22:21):
we got. Let's let's inhabit it. Yeah, and it's a pretty simple
message really, but you'd be amazedhow people respond to it live. When
the song is over, they justgo, WHOA. I never thought of
that. That's awesome. They dohave a reaction, you know, Like
that is when you introduce a conceptlike that, that is very cool one
(22:45):
of my You know, I'm guiltyof sometimes worrying or stressing out about things
in the future, and and Ihave to be constantly reminded quit worrying about
things that haven't happened yet. Yeah, And I'm guilty of it all the
time. Everybody is, everyone isor looking back h so much that that's
(23:07):
all you can do. You're right, Yeah, And I know I'm part
of a generation that is getting upthere in years now, and so it's
a great temptation to just go,oh, yeah, I did this back
then, but it's it's a realchallenge to always be in the moment.
(23:29):
You're absolutely right, And I justwant to say to you the fact that
you are still making music and notjust making music. You made an amazing
album, you're touring, your careeris thriving, and I want to say
congratulations. In the same breath,I also want to just again thank you
(23:49):
for all you have done for rockmusic, for women, for you know,
even for men. I mean,yeah, Dave Grohl is a the
Food Fighters are very big artists forthe radio station. Dave grol loves you
and loves heart and You've touched somany different musicians of all shapes and sizes,
all sexes, It doesn't matter.But that's really important to remember too.
(24:12):
I mean, we do tend tofavor women a lot it the way
we talk, but the world iseverybody. Yes, It's what makes it
difficult and wonderful for women in musicis that they get to interact with men
on this equal level. Yes,and it's not about anything, but how
(24:37):
good are you? Can we playmusic together? Yes, we can stand
on the same level playing field andplay yeah and harmonize and stuff. I
mean that's like a microcosm of thetwo genders mixing. Yes. Yes,
absolutely well, on that note,I think that's a good way to end
(25:03):
our talk together. It's been absolutelywonderful. Thanks for having me. She
is the voice the female musicians thatare creating tomorrow sounds. She is the
voice. I'm a ninety eighty sevenLA's new alternative
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