June 11, 2025 • 29 mins
Shirley Manson chats with host Lisa Worden about Garbage's new record, their upcoming headline tour, her favorite festival to play, and more!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You're listening to She is the Voice the female alternative
artists that you need to know. Here's your host, Lisa Warden.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
At ninety eight seven, LA's new Alternative. You're listening to
She is the Voice. And if you can tell I'm
smiling and giddy, you're right because I have one of
my favorite people in studio with me, Shirley Manson. Yes, uh,
one of my just absolute favorite artists, musicians, people in general.
And honestly, you are you were part of the reason
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I created this show in the first place. My god, yeah, this.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Is quite a toll cup you're giving me. Made me
feel good about myself.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Well, it's well deserved. We play garbage pretty much every
week on She Is the Voice, And you know it's
a it's an hour of music discovery on A ninety
eight seven. Only female artists are played for this entire hour,
and it's the trailblazers like yourself, Karen O, everyone from
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Susie Sue to Deborah Harry to I mean, I could keep.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
Going b York to all my people, in other words,
all your people.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
And then also featuring new artists that I want to
turn the audience onto. Fantastic, So I actually get a
lot of messages from listeners that are like, am I
going to get my weekly dose of Garbage? And I'm like, yes,
you are, So that's great anyway. It's a pleasure and
a privilege for me to have you.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
Well, it's a pleasure and a privilege to be here,
Lisa Ward enough to all this time, the fact that
you and I are still speaking on radios, Yes, super sereal.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Garbage just put out their eighth studio album one week
ago today, called Let All That We Imagine Be the Light,
and I want to talk straight away about this album.
It is gorgeous. I have been listening to it since
it came out, and to me, this harkens back a
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little bit to the earlier records sod sonically. To me,
I don't know if you would agree with that, but
when I first an actually, we've been playing There's No
Future in Optimism on the show, and when I first
heard that song, I went, there's the classic Garbage sound
that I lost so much.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
I mean, people have said that to me. I don't
know if I agree with it, because to me, the
record sounds quite different from anything we've done before. But
I think there's a sort of energy on it that
people are like, this reminds me of your sort of
earlier records. So I mean, I'll take it, you know,
because people witter on about our first record as though
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it's something unassailable, and so if anybody is remotely comparing it,
the new record, to that first record, then I'm all
about that.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
We've been sort of blown away by the reaction to it.
I don't know if we expected that, to be honest.
To be frank, I think we felt that we'd made
a very dark, dystopian record, and as I said's cinematic,
but it's softer I think maybe than we all expected. Yeah,
So I don't know. I'm just happy that people are
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really into it, you know.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
I agree, and from what I have read online, whether
it's reviews or just seeing the reaction from the fans,
people are loving it. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
No, I'm happy about it. It must have been. I'd like
to pretend I was all cool and cynical about it,
but I'm still sort of like, this is amazing. People
love it, you know, and it's captured their imaginations and
people are sending us the songs they love, and they're
all talking about how they've made them cry. And you
know you can make anyone cry with a record. You
know you've done something, you know you've nailed it. Yeah,
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you know you've nailed it.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Yeah. And I know what you mean too, because probably
around the middle of the record, like Sisyphus, those songs
are they're they're very there, are a little more down tempo,
they're not the high energy and it's beautiful, honestly. And
I wanted to ask you, so the band is still
all the original members. It's you, it's Butch Vig, it's
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Duke and Steve, and do the guys make the music,
can send it to you and then you put your
stamp on it or how tell us how that works?
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Well, every record is different. In this particular case, yes,
they went and worked without me because I was recovering
from surgery and I really couldn't face going to work
and I had really bad brain fog. So they sent
me sort of musical ideas and then I would sort
of I don't know how. I actually don't know quite
how I did it, because some of the pieces of
music they sent me were quite abcuse. But somehow or
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rather I sort of figured out what I wanted to
do and arranged it a bit, and yeah, it was
a real team sort of action. And we've all been
caught on sort of off guard by how it came
together because I think we thought. I mean, at the
end of the record, I'll be honest with you, I
burst into tears and said to my husband, I hate it.
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I want to rewrite everything I hate. There's not one
single lyric I like. And he was like, yeah, you're
being crazy. I have a dirty martini and you'll chill out.
And I did chill out, but you have no idea
sometimes when you were working, like is this even any good?
Like there's been a couple of times on this record
where I've asked again my husband of like, because I
wasn't with the band, I had nobody to ask. I
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asked my husband. It's like, is this either this is
really good or it's terrible? And I can't tell. You know,
the last song on the record is really unlike ending
we've ever done.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Yeah, I read that you were on painkillers from your
from your surgery. Is that true? Because because you do,
you sound you're like you're definitely way up.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
Here and mind really when I wrote that, which is
why I couldn't tell if it was good or not.
And but that has been one of the songs that
everybody's really responded to, which is really surprised me.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Mm hmmm, mm hmmm. And I feel like your husband,
Billy is a little bit like your north Star. I
feel like he kind of yeah, he just you know,
and what a beautiful love that that has blossomed. I mean,
he has worked with the band for so long and
just he seems to be the center of the universe
of Garbage.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
He's the center of my universe, which is by default
forces every body el stuff.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Didn't you get them?
Speaker 1 (06:01):
Unfortunately for them? Yeah, without Billy, I think we probably
wouldn't have survived this long. I mean, he's a really
First of all, he's a really talented he co produced
this record with us, he's really talented. But he's also
got the patience of job. So that has helped facilitate
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moments in the band that have you know, inevitably, like families,
you have your moments, and my husband has been able
to sort of negotiate that for us. And we're very
lucky to have him.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
He'll be around a while. Bet we have in studio
with us. Shirley Manson from Garbage and I am blushing.
I'm smiling because I just love this woman so much.
And we talked about how you have a new album out,
but also you're going on your first headline tour in
about a decade.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
Yeah. I mean, we've been touring regularly throughout North America
for years, but it's always either been open for you know,
like we opened for a Lanis More recept which was amazing.
We opened for Tears for Fairs, which was also amazing,
and then we did a co headline with Nol Gallagher
and I think before that we did in twenty sixteen
with Blondie we did a co headline. But this is
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like sort of the first gig tour we've played in
a long time in North America. That is our show. Yeah,
and that's as much as I've loved playing with all
these amazing artists that I just mentioned, it is very
exciting to go out sort of old school like it's
sort of like how we toured in the nineties in
that we're hitting a lot. It's a big, long asked
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tour for North America. I'm a mildly trepidacious I'll be
honest with you, because you know, We're much older now
and I don't know how much longer we'll be able
to get to do this, and it feels like we're
all healthy in the band where all the original members.
We've gone through a lot. This is our eighth studio record,
and I don't know, to be brutally frank, if and
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when we'll do this again, you know, I mean, hopefully
we will do it again. But you get to the
point when you realize you just can't take it for granted.
So I now, at this point of my career, I'm like,
this is the last time I'm ever doing that, and
if I get to do it again, and that's wonderful,
but I'm sort of trying to get my head into
the space of like, you may never get to New
York City again, so you better enjoy it. And you know,
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when you're younger, and I'm sure a lot of young
artists can relate to this. When you're younger, you're hungry
and you're ambitious, and you're excited beyond measure, and you
take it all for granted, and sometimes you piss and
moan about it too. You know, you're like, oh, New York,
you know, I'm in Chicago, today and I'm tired and
I just want to go back to my ben you know,
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nonsense like that. And then you get to my point
in life and you're like, it's almost like you flip
back into being young again because everything feels so perilous
in a funny way. So it's exciting, but also like
it's sobering of like I don't know, I don't know
how it is melancholic in a funny way too, but
without the sadness.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
Well know what, It don't makes sense, but it does
make sense, and I think it's wonderful. You're doing this
tour and you're playing venues that, in my opinion, are
gonna really give your fans an upplost personal look. But
these venues are not small. I mean, I'm looking at
the tour dates right now. You're kicking off in Minnesota,
and again this is Garbage's headline tour, you know, but
(09:27):
you're going all over You're going to Orlando and Atlanta
and Detroit and Washington, d C. Toronto, that's great, Chicago.
You're just making your way all throughout the country. And
then we are ending up in Los Angeles November fifth
at the Hollywood Palladium.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
Which feels like, you know, because obviously I live in
La Nice, so LA has become like the home show,
you know, Yes, And to be able to play Los Angeles,
to play the Palladium, which we have played a couple
of times before, but to get back to playing that
venue feels I feel really privileged and grateful and extens
that venue is iconic. The last show we played at
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the Palladium, I nearly lost my mind. I couldn't believe it.
I couldn't believe we got that much response from an
LA audience because when was that, Oh god, twenty twelve, okay, okay,
And I still remember what I was wearing. I was
wearing our tart dress and I don't know.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
I flew.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
I was flying all night. And because it was the
first ELI show that we had ever played where we
actually got the kind of response that you get elsewhere
in the world. You know, LA's you know, much like
London or New York. They're very serious shows generally speaking,
like bands dread them because you're like, oh my god,
I'm playing Los Angeles tonight. The audience will be chilly,
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they've seen everyone, they've gotten spoiled, rotten. I don't know
if they're going to give us an amazing response. So
when you get a response as we did the last
time we played the Palladium, you don't forget it. It's like,
oh my god, like something has changed for us and
this is magnificent.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Well, I can't wait to do it again.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
I can't again.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
Garbage headline tour. It's called the Happy Endings Tour.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
It is called the Happy Endings to for exactly the
reasons I just told you, you know, I think you know.
You just don't know. I mean, it's been a long
time since we've played a headline tour like this, and
so if our record is to go and buy anything,
our history, you know, is anything to go by it.
I don't know. Will we move back in ten years.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
We don't know.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
Well, thank you for I'm going to be a retirement
some bed socks.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Well, I'm happy you're doing this tour. Thank you for
doing this.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
You're so welcome.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
November five, Yes, at the Palladium in Los Angeles, and
I was thrilled to see Star Crawler or opening for
the Los Angeles date. I don't know if they're on
other ones, but I did see the LA date and
I love that band.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
Oh my god. I mean, first of all, o oh
de Wilde. I saw her in her high school band
because I'm friendly with her. I saw her when she
was like, I think thirteen fourteen, and I can't remember
the name of her band, but they were really cool.
But Arrow was like, she's a star. Like I don't
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say that very often. Lots of people in the music
business do, Oh, everybody's a star if they're selling records.
I'm like, Arrow the wild is a proper rock and
roll star as far as I'm concerned. And I saw
her in her high school band, as I said, and
she was so shy and uncomfortable she could barely look
at the audience. And when she came off stage, I
said to her, Arrow, when you get on that stage,
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you need to look in the audience's face. You need
to look at them so that they know that you're
not frightened of them. And she was like, I duly
noted it, you know. And now she's you know, watching her,
I'm like, oh my god, like you have just taken
it to a whole new level. I mean, she's just
marvelous and I think truly is like one of the
great rock and roll stars in going to say she's
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a rockstar star and there are few and far, you know,
but you know, on the ground there's there's not that
many of them. Like I think of Ammil from Ammal
and Sniffers, or I think about Jenny Beth. You know,
they're rock stars too, like you know from Echa Vandal,
Like these great girls who if they had emerged in
the nineties like I had, would be huge household names.
(13:19):
But they're Unfortunately, they're in a climate that's just a
little stickier, you know for alt voices, although I do
believe that's changing in the last couple of years. That's
very exciting. But that's a whole other topic of conversation.
But to have Arrow and her band Star Crawler open
for us feels really exciting to me. She feels like
family because, as I said, I know her mother, amazing photographer,
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Autumn to Wild, and I just think they're very very
special and people love them. And I'll have my work
cut out for me because I'm like, yeah, she's going
to blow me off the stage everyday night.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
You know, she's pumped to open too, so she's going
to bring out.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
She brings it every time anyway, So I'm proud to
be able to bring her on the road and for
our fans to see her, and yeah, it's amazing, Like
I'm very excited about that.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
I think it's wonderful that you are bringing a younger
band out with you with a female front woman. And
while I have you, I feel like I need to
call out a few of the artists that I play on.
She is the voice because I have Shirley Mounson in
front of me, and a lot of these artists they
look up to you so much, and I hear the
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garbage influence in their music, and I feel like I
just want to say their names to you so that
you might know them, and you may not know them,
but then I can say, hey, I told Shirley about you.
One of our favorite bands here is Mama. I don't
know if you've heard Mama, but I hear a garbage
influence in their music and we love them. Sunflower Bean
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is another artist that we play. Girl Tones is a
brand new band I just discovered. They're awesome. Ava maybe
I don't know if you've heard of Ava's just local.
She's local to LA She's amazing. And then Cult of
Venus is another artist but I just wanted to name
check these these different bands because I have Shirley Monson
with me, and you never know, I think they'll they
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would be so thrilled to hear their name mentioned.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
Too, Lovely, that's great. My word of advice would be,
do don't do anything like the death of your career.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
Oh my god, I don't know. Look look where we
are now, Shirley.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
You know it's wild. Yeah, like you bringing out this
so Lisa to anyone who's listening. Lisa brought out this
photograph of Garbage coming to another radio station back in
the nineties when we were both children and I and
it is just wild to see people liked the Vish
is there and like Jimmy Kimmel and like it is
just mentally.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
Like mental yeah, I mean doctor Drew. I think Adam
Carolla is in there, Carson Daley is in that picture.
And you know till those were those were such good times.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
Yeah, but nice good times too, I mean, I know,
you know, and as I said earlier on, like I
feel excited. I feel like the time of like the
mainstream pop machine that we have been sort of deluged
with for you know, under the deluge of very mainstream
pop for arguably two decades. I feel it's beginning to
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shift again. Like I feel like, I know, like young
people who I meet are all excited by the underground again,
and that excites me because I feel like it's good
for society to have more than just one perspective. Like
I love pop music. I love the job. I love
watching the joy it brings to people, makes them dance,
makes them sing, makes them feel like connected, I guess
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to their society. But I also like I like a
little but first of all, I love noise, I like loud,
I like guitars. Yeah, like attitude. I like rebellion, you know,
and I'm seeing a lot of that sort of start
to come up out of you know, the underground. I
think that's amazing. You know, to watch a Fontaine's DC
or Nica start to get like serious clout mainstream media
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is exciting.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
Yeah, it is exciting. And you know, one thing I
always remember about the when I first discovered discovered Garbage
was You've got these these three guys in the band
with you, and they let you be the face of
the band. I mean, you really were the face of Garbage.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
I would have to stop you, right there because they
didn't let me do anything, you know what I mean. Yeah,
as it turns out, they're really lucky that they had
someone that had the certain kind of like set of
talents that I did, because that's what makes us a
really great team.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
Yeah, you know what, Yeah I do.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
They need me and I need them and it's a
perfect match.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
Yes, And you're right, let was not the right word.
I think it's more like, you know, you really took
that role and you ran with it.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
It was my job, right because I knew that I'd
grown up with right really powerful like musical heroes, all
with who were some identities David Boie, Susie Sue, you know,
Patti Smith, Debbie Harry Stephenix. They all had very strong
visual identities. And I knew that I had to have that,
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and I knew that if I wasn't forthright, everybody would
just think I was a puppet fork and I was
determined not to you know, perpetuate that kind of mythology,
you know. I mean again, in the nineties, wasn't particularly
kind to women. You know, we were just seeing as
sort of I think I was. In fact, I know
I was described in an article on Enemy I think
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as the clock face and then but the band, their
men in the band were they were the real like
gears behind garbage, you know, all that usual nonsense that
got spewed, and so yeah, I was determined to sort
of be powerful in my role.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Well that was one of my attractions, honestly to the band.
I'm drawn to powerful and confident women.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
I'm not confident. I'm just well, I don't know what
I am. But I wasn't confident.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
Maybe on the inside you weren't, but you projected a confidence.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
I projected power. I mean again, I go back to
my dog training where they taught me that, you know,
aggressive dogs are actually really fearful dogs. That's why they
behave that way. It's not because they are nasty or
evil or you know, they want to beat somebody. They're
just scared. Yea, they try and beat someone to a punch.
And I think I sort of operated a wee bit
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like that in retrospect, you know.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
But it's good for me. Yeah, I don't know if
I mean when you I don't know that you were scared.
I don't scared, right, but I know what you mean though,
you projected a confidence that maybe wasn't exactly how you
know inside, Yeah, what you projected wasn't necessarily think people.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
Thought of much because I'm not a scared person. I
wish I was in a way. It's gotten me in
it's a lot of trouble, like stupid because to not
be fearful is a little stupid sometimes, But I'm not
riddled with fear and I think people definitely perceived that
from me. But yeah, I had zero confidence, you know
what I mean. I was just like, yeah, you're not
going to mess with me. That doesn't necessarily you know
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m I love calculating and very well. But I think
people are always like, but you were so this and
so that, and I'm like, no, I wasn't. I just
I wasn't going to let people mess with me.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
I love it, I do. That was that was honestly,
Like you know all those music You're playing their Harna
Festival in September, There we Are, which was really a
great lineup. It's Eddie Vedder curates this festival. It's at
dheany State Beach. You're playing night one, it's Eddie. It's
Kings of Leon. Hopefully I heard Caleb broke his foot,
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so hopefully heard that too, playing with his kids. Yeah,
but I love Eddie Vedder.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
I'm quite excited to meet him, actually, because I have
all these big nineties stars, he's the only one I've
never met.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
Oh yeah, interesting.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
And I really have a massive soft spot for him.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
He's lovely.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
I'm thrilled. Yeah, I heard. I've heard nothing but amazing reports.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
You will love him. He'll talk to you for hours.
I hope. He's a gentle soul. But yeah, but he's
a talker, right, so it's not a quick high like
I feel like you guys will bond and just talk
for hours. He's a He's a really good soul. And
on the same night with you are two artists that
we play a lot on. She is the voice deep
Sea Diver, who are from Seattle. They're really cool. But Hines.
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I don't know if you've heard of Heines.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
Of course I do. Yes, Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
They are they are so they're.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
Mexican, right, yeah, Mexico. Yeah, and I thing from Mexico
is good with me.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
Yeah, And I feel like the three of you will
be like three piece in a pot. Like just from
meeting them, I just think you're gonna have so much fun.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
Amazing.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Yeah, so great line up there, and like we spoke about,
November fifth, at the Hollywood Palladium, Garbage will be headlining Suirrels.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
I want to I love you calling me Cheryls. That
means you really do love me?
Speaker 2 (22:04):
I do. I want to go back to because we're
going to play some Garbage music from the earlier years,
and we're gonna play I think I'm paranoid And is
there something that we can talk about with that song?
We're going to play that right now.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
I just had no idea. Again, I can really remember
writing this song with the band up in Vancouver Island,
weirdly enough, and I really remember it. I can remember
where I was standing, what I was waiting. I had
no idea that this song would become a sort of
an anthem for Garbage. Like we play it pretty much
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every show.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
We play good.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
Because it is so spectacularly me. I mean, I am
a paranoid, crazy person, and every time I sing it,
I can relate to it. You know, I can't say
the same for some of the other songs from that
first record. I feel very different person, you know. I
guess Paranoid was from the second record. Yeah, but yeah,
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I still feel very connected to Version two point oh.
Still I'm very removed from that first record for some reason.
Now I'm just interesting. Yeah, I just feel like I
don't really recognize that person anymore, whereas I still recognize
the person version okay, but paranoid, Yah, I think is
I love it. I think it still sounds modern and
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the video was killer.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
It was so killer. You're listening to she is the
voice and in studio with me one of my favorite artists,
Shirley Manson from Garbage and surely one of my favorite
Garbage songs is number one Crush.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
Of course, it was included in this amazing soundtrack for
Romeo and Juliet Bite Baslerman and that in itself. First
of all, I love the movie very too loud of
our involvement in it, and that's that particular song was
sort of the head, the main track really from that soundtrack.
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It sold an insane amount of copies that soundtrack. It crazy.
We had the great wisdom of leaving it off our
debut record because that's the kind of really smart careerst
band we are, and it turned out to be one
of our biggest tracks in America. Weirdly, but I remember
the head of our record label at the time, Jerry Moss,
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formerly of A and M Records, He had his own
record label called Almost Sounds, and that's we emerged on
that in America with our debut record, and he was like,
I don't want this on the first record. I don't
want this song.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
It's going to.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
Incite evil and violence. And we were like, huh huh,
what okay, And we didn't fight him, like we were
just sort of like, yeah, okay. You know, we had
no idea that we were leaving off this absolute gem
of a song off our debut record. But there you
have it. You win some, you lose something.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
Yeah, well it still ended up being a massive, massive hit,
big song, very dark. Oh I love it, sexy and dark.
I love it. Garbage fresh off the Cruel World festival,
and that is my favorite festival.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
It is my absolute favorite. I have played all over
the world, every festival under the sun for thirty years,
and without doubt, Cruel World was my favorite experience in
a festival of all time. Wow yeah, Wow, it was amazing.
The vibe was incredible. Nobody was an asshole, nobody's ponsing
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around acting like they're more important or famous than anybody else.
Everybody was out of their tailors. Everybody was hobnobbing, had
a good laugh, incredible bands. I mean, who gets to
play on the same stage as Nick Cave and the
Bad Seeds and then topping it with New Order And
it was like literally my wet.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
Dream, I know. And it's killing me. My husband and
I were in Mexico for a wedding, so I actually
missed it this year, but I went last year and
had the time of my life.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
I was there two years ago to see my hero
Susanean's I mean it just any festival that gifts me
Susie Sue will be forever and dear to my heart.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
And I miss Susie as well. And it's killing me
right now, Lisa. But I know, I know, I got
so many shows, but surely I can't be at everything,
the gig of the century. It is, no, it is.
But but what I want to touch on is was
it raining when you did Only Happy when it rains?
Because I heard that festival had a ton of rain.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
It was pouring with rain right before we went on stage.
It did not rain, much to my disappointment, during Only
Happy Wedings because it has been the case historically speaking
where we've gone out and played outdoors obviously, and just
as we're about to sing only Happy, when it rains,
it literally does start raining, and people got. You can
hear people in the audience going like you know, and
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I like, I'm.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
Like, yeah, what I did? Make it rain?
Speaker 1 (26:52):
She said, let it be ready? But no, the problem
was the stage, unfortunately, was super slick, so because it
had been raining and it was pulling around our feet,
and I was a wee bit nervous about leaving. I
couldn't really move quite as well as I wanted to,
but I did.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
Okay, good, very good. I have to ask about my song.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
I know what your song is, Shirley.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
Man said, do you know what song?
Speaker 1 (27:15):
What is what song?
Speaker 2 (27:16):
What's my song?
Speaker 1 (27:17):
You're going to be special? Yeah, you're right, that is you,
And I have to be honest with you. Whenever I'm
in a situation where we're playing it at a radio station,
I literally always think of you because you came backstage
at a gig, a festival gig in Los Angeles.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
I can remember meeting you, and I can remember you
saying in my dressing room like I love this song
and your eyes were teary because you'd gone through a
horrible breakup, and I was like, who is this girl?
I was really intrigued by you because you were so
vulnerable with me, you know, and that's not something that
normally happens in these kinds of situations. So it really
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made an impression on me.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
It spoke to me for sure.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
Yeah, and of course we became buddies, so history. But
I remember absolutely that day. I remember standing in the
dressing room with you, I remember.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
Your we face, and I remember.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
So this one goes out to miss Lisa Warden. This
is special.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
Thank you, and I just want to add you were
so kind to me too when we had that moment.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
You would be kind.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
You are a kind woman. Surely you love hard. I
know that I love you do all ninety eight seven
LA's New Alternative has been so special and such a
privilege to have Shirley Manson with us Tonight. Garbage has
a new album, Let All That We Imagine Be the Light.
It is out now. I encourage you to go listen
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to it, consume this album. Surely, thank you so much
for coming in tonight. Honestly, so welcome, Liza. It is
an honor. You know I love you.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
My pleasure, my real pleasure. She is the voice the
female musicians that are creating tomorrow sounds. He is the
voice on Ault ninety eighty seven, LA's new alternative
You're listening to She is the Voice the female alternative
artists that you need to know. Here's your host, Lisa Warden.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
At ninety eight seven, LA's new Alternative. You're listening to
She is the Voice. And if you can tell I'm
smiling and giddy, you're right because I have one of
my favorite people in studio with me, Shirley Manson. Yes, uh,
one of my just absolute favorite artists, musicians, people in general.
And honestly, you are you were part of the reason
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I created this show in the first place. My god, yeah, this.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Is quite a toll cup you're giving me. Made me
feel good about myself.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Well, it's well deserved. We play garbage pretty much every
week on She Is the Voice, And you know it's
a it's an hour of music discovery on A ninety
eight seven. Only female artists are played for this entire hour,
and it's the trailblazers like yourself, Karen O, everyone from
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Susie Sue to Deborah Harry to I mean, I could keep.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
Going b York to all my people, in other words,
all your people.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
And then also featuring new artists that I want to
turn the audience onto. Fantastic, So I actually get a
lot of messages from listeners that are like, am I
going to get my weekly dose of Garbage? And I'm like, yes,
you are, So that's great anyway. It's a pleasure and
a privilege for me to have you.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
Well, it's a pleasure and a privilege to be here,
Lisa Ward enough to all this time, the fact that
you and I are still speaking on radios, Yes, super sereal.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Garbage just put out their eighth studio album one week
ago today, called Let All That We Imagine Be the Light,
and I want to talk straight away about this album.
It is gorgeous. I have been listening to it since
it came out, and to me, this harkens back a
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little bit to the earlier records sod sonically. To me,
I don't know if you would agree with that, but
when I first an actually, we've been playing There's No
Future in Optimism on the show, and when I first
heard that song, I went, there's the classic Garbage sound
that I lost so much.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
I mean, people have said that to me. I don't
know if I agree with it, because to me, the
record sounds quite different from anything we've done before. But
I think there's a sort of energy on it that
people are like, this reminds me of your sort of
earlier records. So I mean, I'll take it, you know,
because people witter on about our first record as though
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it's something unassailable, and so if anybody is remotely comparing it,
the new record, to that first record, then I'm all
about that.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
We've been sort of blown away by the reaction to it.
I don't know if we expected that, to be honest.
To be frank, I think we felt that we'd made
a very dark, dystopian record, and as I said's cinematic,
but it's softer I think maybe than we all expected. Yeah,
So I don't know. I'm just happy that people are
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really into it, you know.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
I agree, and from what I have read online, whether
it's reviews or just seeing the reaction from the fans,
people are loving it. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
No, I'm happy about it. It must have been. I'd like
to pretend I was all cool and cynical about it,
but I'm still sort of like, this is amazing. People
love it, you know, and it's captured their imaginations and
people are sending us the songs they love, and they're
all talking about how they've made them cry. And you
know you can make anyone cry with a record. You
know you've done something, you know you've nailed it. Yeah,
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you know you've nailed it.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Yeah. And I know what you mean too, because probably
around the middle of the record, like Sisyphus, those songs
are they're they're very there, are a little more down tempo,
they're not the high energy and it's beautiful, honestly. And
I wanted to ask you, so the band is still
all the original members. It's you, it's Butch Vig, it's
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Duke and Steve, and do the guys make the music,
can send it to you and then you put your
stamp on it or how tell us how that works?
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Well, every record is different. In this particular case, yes,
they went and worked without me because I was recovering
from surgery and I really couldn't face going to work
and I had really bad brain fog. So they sent
me sort of musical ideas and then I would sort
of I don't know how. I actually don't know quite
how I did it, because some of the pieces of
music they sent me were quite abcuse. But somehow or
(04:26):
rather I sort of figured out what I wanted to
do and arranged it a bit, and yeah, it was
a real team sort of action. And we've all been
caught on sort of off guard by how it came
together because I think we thought. I mean, at the
end of the record, I'll be honest with you, I
burst into tears and said to my husband, I hate it.
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I want to rewrite everything I hate. There's not one
single lyric I like. And he was like, yeah, you're
being crazy. I have a dirty martini and you'll chill out.
And I did chill out, but you have no idea
sometimes when you were working, like is this even any good?
Like there's been a couple of times on this record
where I've asked again my husband of like, because I
wasn't with the band, I had nobody to ask. I
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asked my husband. It's like, is this either this is
really good or it's terrible? And I can't tell. You know,
the last song on the record is really unlike ending
we've ever done.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Yeah, I read that you were on painkillers from your
from your surgery. Is that true? Because because you do,
you sound you're like you're definitely way up.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
Here and mind really when I wrote that, which is
why I couldn't tell if it was good or not.
And but that has been one of the songs that
everybody's really responded to, which is really surprised me.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Mm hmmm, mm hmmm. And I feel like your husband,
Billy is a little bit like your north Star. I
feel like he kind of yeah, he just you know,
and what a beautiful love that that has blossomed. I mean,
he has worked with the band for so long and
just he seems to be the center of the universe
of Garbage.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
He's the center of my universe, which is by default
forces every body el stuff.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Didn't you get them?
Speaker 1 (06:01):
Unfortunately for them? Yeah, without Billy, I think we probably
wouldn't have survived this long. I mean, he's a really
First of all, he's a really talented he co produced
this record with us, he's really talented. But he's also
got the patience of job. So that has helped facilitate
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moments in the band that have you know, inevitably, like families,
you have your moments, and my husband has been able
to sort of negotiate that for us. And we're very
lucky to have him.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
He'll be around a while. Bet we have in studio
with us. Shirley Manson from Garbage and I am blushing.
I'm smiling because I just love this woman so much.
And we talked about how you have a new album out,
but also you're going on your first headline tour in
about a decade.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
Yeah. I mean, we've been touring regularly throughout North America
for years, but it's always either been open for you know,
like we opened for a Lanis More recept which was amazing.
We opened for Tears for Fairs, which was also amazing,
and then we did a co headline with Nol Gallagher
and I think before that we did in twenty sixteen
with Blondie we did a co headline. But this is
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like sort of the first gig tour we've played in
a long time in North America. That is our show. Yeah,
and that's as much as I've loved playing with all
these amazing artists that I just mentioned, it is very
exciting to go out sort of old school like it's
sort of like how we toured in the nineties in
that we're hitting a lot. It's a big, long asked
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tour for North America. I'm a mildly trepidacious I'll be
honest with you, because you know, We're much older now
and I don't know how much longer we'll be able
to get to do this, and it feels like we're
all healthy in the band where all the original members.
We've gone through a lot. This is our eighth studio record,
and I don't know, to be brutally frank, if and
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when we'll do this again, you know, I mean, hopefully
we will do it again. But you get to the
point when you realize you just can't take it for granted.
So I now, at this point of my career, I'm like,
this is the last time I'm ever doing that, and
if I get to do it again, and that's wonderful,
but I'm sort of trying to get my head into
the space of like, you may never get to New
York City again, so you better enjoy it. And you know,
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when you're younger, and I'm sure a lot of young
artists can relate to this. When you're younger, you're hungry
and you're ambitious, and you're excited beyond measure, and you
take it all for granted, and sometimes you piss and
moan about it too. You know, you're like, oh, New York,
you know, I'm in Chicago, today and I'm tired and
I just want to go back to my ben you know,
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nonsense like that. And then you get to my point
in life and you're like, it's almost like you flip
back into being young again because everything feels so perilous
in a funny way. So it's exciting, but also like
it's sobering of like I don't know, I don't know
how it is melancholic in a funny way too, but
without the sadness.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
Well know what, It don't makes sense, but it does
make sense, and I think it's wonderful. You're doing this
tour and you're playing venues that, in my opinion, are
gonna really give your fans an upplost personal look. But
these venues are not small. I mean, I'm looking at
the tour dates right now. You're kicking off in Minnesota,
and again this is Garbage's headline tour, you know, but
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you're going all over You're going to Orlando and Atlanta
and Detroit and Washington, d C. Toronto, that's great, Chicago.
You're just making your way all throughout the country. And
then we are ending up in Los Angeles November fifth
at the Hollywood Palladium.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
Which feels like, you know, because obviously I live in
La Nice, so LA has become like the home show,
you know, Yes, And to be able to play Los Angeles,
to play the Palladium, which we have played a couple
of times before, but to get back to playing that
venue feels I feel really privileged and grateful and extens
that venue is iconic. The last show we played at
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the Palladium, I nearly lost my mind. I couldn't believe it.
I couldn't believe we got that much response from an
LA audience because when was that, Oh god, twenty twelve, okay, okay,
And I still remember what I was wearing. I was
wearing our tart dress and I don't know.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
I flew.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
I was flying all night. And because it was the
first ELI show that we had ever played where we
actually got the kind of response that you get elsewhere
in the world. You know, LA's you know, much like
London or New York. They're very serious shows generally speaking,
like bands dread them because you're like, oh my god,
I'm playing Los Angeles tonight. The audience will be chilly,
(10:45):
they've seen everyone, they've gotten spoiled, rotten. I don't know
if they're going to give us an amazing response. So
when you get a response as we did the last
time we played the Palladium, you don't forget it. It's like,
oh my god, like something has changed for us and
this is magnificent.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Well, I can't wait to do it again.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
I can't again.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
Garbage headline tour. It's called the Happy Endings Tour.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
It is called the Happy Endings to for exactly the
reasons I just told you, you know, I think you know.
You just don't know. I mean, it's been a long
time since we've played a headline tour like this, and
so if our record is to go and buy anything,
our history, you know, is anything to go by it.
I don't know. Will we move back in ten years.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
We don't know.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
Well, thank you for I'm going to be a retirement
some bed socks.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Well, I'm happy you're doing this tour. Thank you for
doing this.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
You're so welcome.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
November five, Yes, at the Palladium in Los Angeles, and
I was thrilled to see Star Crawler or opening for
the Los Angeles date. I don't know if they're on
other ones, but I did see the LA date and
I love that band.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
Oh my god. I mean, first of all, o oh
de Wilde. I saw her in her high school band
because I'm friendly with her. I saw her when she
was like, I think thirteen fourteen, and I can't remember
the name of her band, but they were really cool.
But Arrow was like, she's a star. Like I don't
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say that very often. Lots of people in the music
business do, Oh, everybody's a star if they're selling records.
I'm like, Arrow the wild is a proper rock and
roll star as far as I'm concerned. And I saw
her in her high school band, as I said, and
she was so shy and uncomfortable she could barely look
at the audience. And when she came off stage, I
said to her, Arrow, when you get on that stage,
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you need to look in the audience's face. You need
to look at them so that they know that you're
not frightened of them. And she was like, I duly
noted it, you know. And now she's you know, watching her,
I'm like, oh my god, like you have just taken
it to a whole new level. I mean, she's just
marvelous and I think truly is like one of the
great rock and roll stars in going to say she's
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a rockstar star and there are few and far, you know,
but you know, on the ground there's there's not that
many of them. Like I think of Ammil from Ammal
and Sniffers, or I think about Jenny Beth. You know,
they're rock stars too, like you know from Echa Vandal,
Like these great girls who if they had emerged in
the nineties like I had, would be huge household names.
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But they're Unfortunately, they're in a climate that's just a
little stickier, you know for alt voices, although I do
believe that's changing in the last couple of years. That's
very exciting. But that's a whole other topic of conversation.
But to have Arrow and her band Star Crawler open
for us feels really exciting to me. She feels like
family because, as I said, I know her mother, amazing photographer,
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Autumn to Wild, and I just think they're very very
special and people love them. And I'll have my work
cut out for me because I'm like, yeah, she's going
to blow me off the stage everyday night.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
You know, she's pumped to open too, so she's going
to bring out.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
She brings it every time anyway, So I'm proud to
be able to bring her on the road and for
our fans to see her, and yeah, it's amazing, Like
I'm very excited about that.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
I think it's wonderful that you are bringing a younger
band out with you with a female front woman. And
while I have you, I feel like I need to
call out a few of the artists that I play on.
She is the voice because I have Shirley Mounson in
front of me, and a lot of these artists they
look up to you so much, and I hear the
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garbage influence in their music, and I feel like I
just want to say their names to you so that
you might know them, and you may not know them,
but then I can say, hey, I told Shirley about you.
One of our favorite bands here is Mama. I don't
know if you've heard Mama, but I hear a garbage
influence in their music and we love them. Sunflower Bean
(14:52):
is another artist that we play. Girl Tones is a
brand new band I just discovered. They're awesome. Ava maybe
I don't know if you've heard of Ava's just local.
She's local to LA She's amazing. And then Cult of
Venus is another artist but I just wanted to name
check these these different bands because I have Shirley Monson
with me, and you never know, I think they'll they
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would be so thrilled to hear their name mentioned.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
Too, Lovely, that's great. My word of advice would be,
do don't do anything like the death of your career.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
Oh my god, I don't know. Look look where we
are now, Shirley.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
You know it's wild. Yeah, like you bringing out this
so Lisa to anyone who's listening. Lisa brought out this
photograph of Garbage coming to another radio station back in
the nineties when we were both children and I and
it is just wild to see people liked the Vish
is there and like Jimmy Kimmel and like it is
just mentally.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
Like mental yeah, I mean doctor Drew. I think Adam
Carolla is in there, Carson Daley is in that picture.
And you know till those were those were such good times.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
Yeah, but nice good times too, I mean, I know,
you know, and as I said earlier on, like I
feel excited. I feel like the time of like the
mainstream pop machine that we have been sort of deluged
with for you know, under the deluge of very mainstream
pop for arguably two decades. I feel it's beginning to
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shift again. Like I feel like, I know, like young
people who I meet are all excited by the underground again,
and that excites me because I feel like it's good
for society to have more than just one perspective. Like
I love pop music. I love the job. I love
watching the joy it brings to people, makes them dance,
makes them sing, makes them feel like connected, I guess
(16:43):
to their society. But I also like I like a
little but first of all, I love noise, I like loud,
I like guitars. Yeah, like attitude. I like rebellion, you know,
and I'm seeing a lot of that sort of start
to come up out of you know, the underground. I
think that's amazing. You know, to watch a Fontaine's DC
or Nica start to get like serious clout mainstream media
(17:08):
is exciting.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
Yeah, it is exciting. And you know, one thing I
always remember about the when I first discovered discovered Garbage
was You've got these these three guys in the band
with you, and they let you be the face of
the band. I mean, you really were the face of Garbage.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
I would have to stop you, right there because they
didn't let me do anything, you know what I mean. Yeah,
as it turns out, they're really lucky that they had
someone that had the certain kind of like set of
talents that I did, because that's what makes us a
really great team.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
Yeah, you know what, Yeah I do.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
They need me and I need them and it's a
perfect match.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
Yes, And you're right, let was not the right word.
I think it's more like, you know, you really took
that role and you ran with it.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
It was my job, right because I knew that I'd
grown up with right really powerful like musical heroes, all
with who were some identities David Boie, Susie Sue, you know,
Patti Smith, Debbie Harry Stephenix. They all had very strong
visual identities. And I knew that I had to have that,
(18:22):
and I knew that if I wasn't forthright, everybody would
just think I was a puppet fork and I was
determined not to you know, perpetuate that kind of mythology,
you know. I mean again, in the nineties, wasn't particularly
kind to women. You know, we were just seeing as
sort of I think I was. In fact, I know
I was described in an article on Enemy I think
(18:43):
as the clock face and then but the band, their
men in the band were they were the real like
gears behind garbage, you know, all that usual nonsense that
got spewed, and so yeah, I was determined to sort
of be powerful in my role.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Well that was one of my attractions, honestly to the band.
I'm drawn to powerful and confident women.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
I'm not confident. I'm just well, I don't know what
I am. But I wasn't confident.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
Maybe on the inside you weren't, but you projected a confidence.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
I projected power. I mean again, I go back to
my dog training where they taught me that, you know,
aggressive dogs are actually really fearful dogs. That's why they
behave that way. It's not because they are nasty or
evil or you know, they want to beat somebody. They're
just scared. Yea, they try and beat someone to a punch.
And I think I sort of operated a wee bit
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like that in retrospect, you know.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
But it's good for me. Yeah, I don't know if
I mean when you I don't know that you were scared.
I don't scared, right, but I know what you mean though,
you projected a confidence that maybe wasn't exactly how you
know inside, Yeah, what you projected wasn't necessarily think people.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
Thought of much because I'm not a scared person. I
wish I was in a way. It's gotten me in
it's a lot of trouble, like stupid because to not
be fearful is a little stupid sometimes, But I'm not
riddled with fear and I think people definitely perceived that
from me. But yeah, I had zero confidence, you know
what I mean. I was just like, yeah, you're not
going to mess with me. That doesn't necessarily you know
(20:19):
m I love calculating and very well. But I think
people are always like, but you were so this and
so that, and I'm like, no, I wasn't. I just
I wasn't going to let people mess with me.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
I love it, I do. That was that was honestly,
Like you know all those music You're playing their Harna
Festival in September, There we Are, which was really a
great lineup. It's Eddie Vedder curates this festival. It's at
dheany State Beach. You're playing night one, it's Eddie. It's
Kings of Leon. Hopefully I heard Caleb broke his foot,
(20:50):
so hopefully heard that too, playing with his kids. Yeah,
but I love Eddie Vedder.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
I'm quite excited to meet him, actually, because I have
all these big nineties stars, he's the only one I've
never met.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
Oh yeah, interesting.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
And I really have a massive soft spot for him.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
He's lovely.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
I'm thrilled. Yeah, I heard. I've heard nothing but amazing reports.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
You will love him. He'll talk to you for hours.
I hope. He's a gentle soul. But yeah, but he's
a talker, right, so it's not a quick high like
I feel like you guys will bond and just talk
for hours. He's a He's a really good soul. And
on the same night with you are two artists that
we play a lot on. She is the voice deep
Sea Diver, who are from Seattle. They're really cool. But Hines.
(21:34):
I don't know if you've heard of Heines.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
Of course I do. Yes, Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
They are they are so they're.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
Mexican, right, yeah, Mexico. Yeah, and I thing from Mexico
is good with me.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
Yeah, And I feel like the three of you will
be like three piece in a pot. Like just from
meeting them, I just think you're gonna have so much fun.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
Amazing.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Yeah, so great line up there, and like we spoke about,
November fifth, at the Hollywood Palladium, Garbage will be headlining Suirrels.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
I want to I love you calling me Cheryls. That
means you really do love me?
Speaker 2 (22:04):
I do. I want to go back to because we're
going to play some Garbage music from the earlier years,
and we're gonna play I think I'm paranoid And is
there something that we can talk about with that song?
We're going to play that right now.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
I just had no idea. Again, I can really remember
writing this song with the band up in Vancouver Island,
weirdly enough, and I really remember it. I can remember
where I was standing, what I was waiting. I had
no idea that this song would become a sort of
an anthem for Garbage. Like we play it pretty much
(22:43):
every show.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
We play good.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
Because it is so spectacularly me. I mean, I am
a paranoid, crazy person, and every time I sing it,
I can relate to it. You know, I can't say
the same for some of the other songs from that
first record. I feel very different person, you know. I
guess Paranoid was from the second record. Yeah, but yeah,
(23:06):
I still feel very connected to Version two point oh.
Still I'm very removed from that first record for some reason.
Now I'm just interesting. Yeah, I just feel like I
don't really recognize that person anymore, whereas I still recognize
the person version okay, but paranoid, Yah, I think is
I love it. I think it still sounds modern and
(23:26):
the video was killer.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
It was so killer. You're listening to she is the
voice and in studio with me one of my favorite artists,
Shirley Manson from Garbage and surely one of my favorite
Garbage songs is number one Crush.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
Of course, it was included in this amazing soundtrack for
Romeo and Juliet Bite Baslerman and that in itself. First
of all, I love the movie very too loud of
our involvement in it, and that's that particular song was
sort of the head, the main track really from that soundtrack.
(24:00):
It sold an insane amount of copies that soundtrack. It crazy.
We had the great wisdom of leaving it off our
debut record because that's the kind of really smart careerst
band we are, and it turned out to be one
of our biggest tracks in America. Weirdly, but I remember
the head of our record label at the time, Jerry Moss,
(24:22):
formerly of A and M Records, He had his own
record label called Almost Sounds, and that's we emerged on
that in America with our debut record, and he was like,
I don't want this on the first record. I don't
want this song.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
It's going to.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
Incite evil and violence. And we were like, huh huh,
what okay, And we didn't fight him, like we were
just sort of like, yeah, okay. You know, we had
no idea that we were leaving off this absolute gem
of a song off our debut record. But there you
have it. You win some, you lose something.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
Yeah, well it still ended up being a massive, massive hit,
big song, very dark. Oh I love it, sexy and dark.
I love it. Garbage fresh off the Cruel World festival,
and that is my favorite festival.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
It is my absolute favorite. I have played all over
the world, every festival under the sun for thirty years,
and without doubt, Cruel World was my favorite experience in
a festival of all time. Wow yeah, Wow, it was amazing.
The vibe was incredible. Nobody was an asshole, nobody's ponsing
(25:28):
around acting like they're more important or famous than anybody else.
Everybody was out of their tailors. Everybody was hobnobbing, had
a good laugh, incredible bands. I mean, who gets to
play on the same stage as Nick Cave and the
Bad Seeds and then topping it with New Order And
it was like literally my wet.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
Dream, I know. And it's killing me. My husband and
I were in Mexico for a wedding, so I actually
missed it this year, but I went last year and
had the time of my life.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
I was there two years ago to see my hero
Susanean's I mean it just any festival that gifts me
Susie Sue will be forever and dear to my heart.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
And I miss Susie as well. And it's killing me
right now, Lisa. But I know, I know, I got
so many shows, but surely I can't be at everything,
the gig of the century. It is, no, it is.
But but what I want to touch on is was
it raining when you did Only Happy when it rains?
Because I heard that festival had a ton of rain.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
It was pouring with rain right before we went on stage.
It did not rain, much to my disappointment, during Only
Happy Wedings because it has been the case historically speaking
where we've gone out and played outdoors obviously, and just
as we're about to sing only Happy, when it rains,
it literally does start raining, and people got. You can
hear people in the audience going like you know, and
(26:44):
I like, I'm.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
Like, yeah, what I did? Make it rain?
Speaker 1 (26:52):
She said, let it be ready? But no, the problem
was the stage, unfortunately, was super slick, so because it
had been raining and it was pulling around our feet,
and I was a wee bit nervous about leaving. I
couldn't really move quite as well as I wanted to,
but I did.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
Okay, good, very good. I have to ask about my song.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
I know what your song is, Shirley.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
Man said, do you know what song?
Speaker 1 (27:15):
What is what song?
Speaker 2 (27:16):
What's my song?
Speaker 1 (27:17):
You're going to be special? Yeah, you're right, that is you,
And I have to be honest with you. Whenever I'm
in a situation where we're playing it at a radio station,
I literally always think of you because you came backstage
at a gig, a festival gig in Los Angeles.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
I can remember meeting you, and I can remember you
saying in my dressing room like I love this song
and your eyes were teary because you'd gone through a
horrible breakup, and I was like, who is this girl?
I was really intrigued by you because you were so
vulnerable with me, you know, and that's not something that
normally happens in these kinds of situations. So it really
(27:56):
made an impression on me.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
It spoke to me for sure.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
Yeah, and of course we became buddies, so history. But
I remember absolutely that day. I remember standing in the
dressing room with you, I remember.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
Your we face, and I remember.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
So this one goes out to miss Lisa Warden. This
is special.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
Thank you, and I just want to add you were
so kind to me too when we had that moment.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
You would be kind.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
You are a kind woman. Surely you love hard. I
know that I love you do all ninety eight seven
LA's New Alternative has been so special and such a
privilege to have Shirley Manson with us Tonight. Garbage has
a new album, Let All That We Imagine Be the Light.
It is out now. I encourage you to go listen
(28:45):
to it, consume this album. Surely, thank you so much
for coming in tonight. Honestly, so welcome, Liza. It is
an honor. You know I love you.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
My pleasure, my real pleasure. She is the voice the
female musicians that are creating tomorrow sounds. He is the
voice on Ault ninety eighty seven, LA's new alternative
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