May 27, 2025 • 11 mins
Can a robot really help you escape a burning plane? That’s the question that kicks off this unforgettable episode of The Bama Brown Experience, where Bama and the Big Puma dive headfirst into the growing presence of AI in the workforce—and the surprising jobs it can’t replace.
From the frontlines of forest fires to the chaos of hotel lobbies, Bama explores five careers that are (for now) safe from automation. But this episode is more than just a list—it’s packed with personal stories, sharp humor, and a few jaw-dropping moments. You’ll hear:
From the frontlines of forest fires to the chaos of hotel lobbies, Bama explores five careers that are (for now) safe from automation. But this episode is more than just a list—it’s packed with personal stories, sharp humor, and a few jaw-dropping moments. You’ll hear:
- A gripping tale of forest firefighters flying in from across the country to battle blazes—and how some of them are inmates.
- Bama’s chilling firsthand account of witnessing a plane crash at DFW Airport, and the surreal silence that followed.
- Why plumbers and electricians are not only irreplaceable—but raking in six figures without a college degree.
- The time Bama built a house with inmates, only to have the security fence stolen overnight.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Well, hey there Bama Brown within the Bama Brown Experience
on the iHeart podcast network along with the Big Puma,
the Big Cat who has a sports Cave San Antonio
Pooma live tonight with your show, right.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Yes, sir, back live tonight on YouTube at sports Cave Live.
But as always usually pretty quickly get the audio version
out there if you don't, if you don't feel like
you need to see my long hair and porn star mustache.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
Oh you're a handsome devil. Yeah, I'm telling.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
You, I'll take it anywhere I can get it.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
But now anywhere you get your podcast, just search for
the Sports Cave with Biggest Puma.
Speaker 4 (00:41):
I saw. This was interesting to me.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
You know, we've talked about this many times about AI
replacing people in their jobs and stuff big time in
our industry with you know this traffic now is a robot,
the Weather's robot. A lot of your just time and
tempt jocks are robots, you know, and they they even
(01:04):
have the accents and stuff. Man, It's it's pretty scary.
Here's five five jobs people that I saw that they
say very very as far as money that you can make.
So if you're getting ready to do something this is money.
You can make the more, the most money, but you
also won't be replaced probably with AI. Now, the first
(01:26):
one that jumped out of me forest firefighter, that's I
don't that would have never considered that a you know,
a ideal.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
I mean, but yeah, that one kind of makes perfect sense,
I guess unless you were going to tell me it
was like an AI drone that was dropping water.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
Yeah, in the in the big I could see that
in in the big tanker, you know, the dropping a
lot of water. But they still got to have the
guys on the ground, men and women on the ground.
I remember I was flying to Virginia one time and
there was a half dozen people that had their hard
hats and you got on, you know, and and uh,
I was like, what do you do?
Speaker 4 (02:00):
And they go, they got a big fire up here,
and I go, they bring it in this They.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
Were all from some other parts of the country coming
in to fight this big forest fire, and it just
sounded scary as hell. Seventy one grand is what those
guys make a year.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
Well, the ones that are doing it as free man,
I know.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
There's also the state of California uses some of their
inmate population to right, forest fires. I don't think they're
getting paid seventy one grand a year.
Speaker 4 (02:25):
They get to they get to get out and get
out of that box. And that's I built.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
A contagal visit each month.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
I built a habitat house one time for the Mayor
of Austin, and he had in the sheriff and the
mayor went together did and lee lefting wells of several
people involved this thing. Anyway, they brought me The sheriff
was the main guy behind it, and they brought me
inmates to help me build this house. And I asked, you, guys,
(02:53):
we had lunch. By the way, out of five guys,
three of them were listeners.
Speaker 4 (02:59):
I'll never forget.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
Yeah, well a shock anyway, we would. And I went
and got him to lunch. We were sitting around eating
and that we were framing this thing. And uh was
over in East Austin. And it's really I'll tell the
whole story. Lady was working for meals on wheels and
she knew the sheriff, Greg Hamilton was our sheriff at
the time. Knew him growing up. And he called me
and he said, Hey, this woman's house is just caving
(03:22):
in on her and it was over East Twelfth, and
I said, well, we can fix that. So we a
lot of builders got involved in it and stuff, but
I was kind of Ramrod and just the framing part.
Speaker 4 (03:32):
Guys poured a slab.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
And they had the plumbing already installed in the slab.
And so this deputy that was running the whole deal,
he was kind of the head guy for Travis County Deputies.
He called me and he said, okay, they came last
night and stole all the copper out of the they
call the fittings off and I was like, oh. So
he goes, we're going to put up a security fence
today and I said okay, And so he calls me
(03:56):
the next day and he goes, they stole the security
fence last night, the whole both every bit of it,
a chain link with the Sheriff's star on it, and
they stole it. And so I had to frame. I
had a small set of blueprints, so I framed up
the thing in my shop there in dripping springs, and
then they had the trucks, trucks with some goose necks
(04:17):
come and we loaded up I don't know thirty walls.
This was about a fifteen hundre square foot house or
better than too bad. We loaded up all the while
and the inmates came and they helped load it all up.
And then when we got over there, we put it
all up and bolted it down to the foundation and
it fit great, which was really a shock, you know,
but it was perfect. But with two hours we had
(04:37):
it all framed, you know, and then it was where
you just didn't have scrap lumber sitting there to steal.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
They would have had to really work.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
And if the one thing about thieves, they don't want
to work, they'd rather steal, so if they.
Speaker 4 (04:48):
Anyway, that was my part. I was done with it.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
But I cracked me up. They stole the security fence.
But anyway, what was it about? Oh the no ai
jibt all right? Second, now this was kind of surprise
to me. Flight attendant. Flight attendants on average make sixty
eight grand. They I could see a robot. They can
deliver food as a robot. I could see a robotic
(05:11):
flight attendant. But then I thought about the safety factor. Oh, okay,
you know, if it crashes, you got to have people help,
you know, to help get you to the exit.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
You know, I guess that's the part of the job
I never think about because I never want to think
about a plane crashing.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
I mean it makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Yeah, I mean some little robot that's going to sink
into the Hudson.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
Yeah, I'm going to be able to help you much.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
Right exactly.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
And it from what I understand, when the plane does crash,
finding an opening to get out of it is not
that hard.
Speaker 4 (05:44):
I mean broke Hopefully.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
I never, hopefully I ever have firsthand experience.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
You know, I saw the Delta crash in Dallas that
time I saw it.
Speaker 4 (05:55):
Hit the ground.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
I was in the airport and was traveling from Tulsa
to back to uh Odessa.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
Man, what an exotic journey that is.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
I sorry to say that was the highlight seeing the
plane crash, leaving it.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
Going df W A or bigger than those cities to.
Speaker 4 (06:14):
Be you wouldn't joke about a plane crash.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
But well, I had people go you were you saw
the plane ground and go yeah, but I was going
to Odessa.
Speaker 4 (06:22):
Oh god, I'm so sorry to hear that you lost.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
I had to go back to had to go get
some you know, a psychiatrist. Not over the planegrash, but
having to go back from Tulsa to Odessa. That's the
third joke on that.
Speaker 4 (06:34):
I'll leave it at that. But uh saw.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
I was standing there at the window just looking out
and a guy standing next to me, and it we
saw it hit the water tank and it was just
a giant fireball. And your head can't wrap around a
passenger jet. Your immediate response is a small plane as crashed.
And a guy goes, man, a small jit crashed, and
I said, or he's just like I was. And I said, man,
(06:58):
it hit that water. We really couldn't even see it
from the airport. Really, you saw the big fireball and
you could still see kind of the tail. And he goes,
wait a minute, compared to that other jeedler, he said,
that's a passenger jet. And then the weirdest thing, DFW.
Think of this, DFW completely silent as words spread about
(07:20):
the plane crash. Think of that airport and nobody talking.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
It was.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
It was the most surreal, weirdest And then that storm
then hits our you know, hits the glass, starts hitting
the glass and shaking the glass, and our plane was
sitting there and it there was a cart they were
doing something to the engine and our plane was, you know,
sitting there ready to get boarded, and this cart blew
into the wing and tore a hole into the wing
(07:44):
right in front of us. And so they had shut
the airport down. So we're there, you know, three or
four hours, and then somebody, the flight attendant, comes on
and goes, hey, I need to talk to everybody, and
so because a lot of people just left, you know,
but there were still a lot of people there because
we were going to Midland and uh, and so everybody
kind of came up there and she said, we got
(08:07):
here's the deal. We can get y'all out of here tonight.
Speaker 4 (08:11):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
But the we only have one plane and it's going
to go to Lubbock. We've got more people going to
love Uck to Midland. So if you can make it
to love Uck, you maybe could drive, because she said,
I don't know how long the airport's going to be
closed after this, and uh. And she said, but here's
the worst part. This plane's been ready for makeover. So
all of the overhead bends, the doors were stripped off,
(08:33):
all the upholstery had been stripped off, and the carpet
had been taken out.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
I think that was weird.
Speaker 4 (08:39):
It was a.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
I mean it looked like some South American airplane, you know,
you're flying into you know, with monkeys and stuff on
the in the plane anyway, but were also glad to
get out of there. And we landed in Loubbuck and
a guy hooked up with this guy Manders that's north
of Odessa, a little town, and we rented a car.
Speaker 4 (08:56):
He rented a.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
Car and love Buck and uh and we were able
to get home with like two in the morning. But yeah,
I lay, it was just and I told him, I said,
we don't get back on an airplane pretty soon, we're
probably going to be, you know, wigged out.
Speaker 4 (09:08):
H it was, it was, it was crazy to see
something like that. Well, I sure brought the show.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
All I can think about is the like being. I mean,
because what was this like late eighties, mid eighties.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
Yeah, we're in there.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
Yeah, I think that's what it was.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
Yeah, talking about the flight attendants.
Speaker 4 (09:30):
Where it started, Well, let me give the rest of it.
I'll fix it.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
These are the other three jobs at AI will not
probably replace. Lodging manager. You know, somebody works at the
hotel gets sixty five.
Speaker 4 (09:41):
Grand a year.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
It'd be the the hotel, you know, like the lobby
person the books she in.
Speaker 4 (09:46):
I had no idea that paid that.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
Well, yeah, I bet.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
There's more headaches to that job than I actually imagine,
because I mean, at first, at first it sounds like
that's a massive overpay, but thinking about some of the
a you're probably dealing with on a basis, yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
You're You're exactly right, Puma, I bet there's more to
that than you could ever imagine or want to know.
Four and five electrician and plumbers average pay, which I
think is low, but this is a nationwide deal, sixty
one thousand a year. I know two plumbers and two electricians.
Both of those guys are triple figures.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
Now you know, that feels more like apprentice money.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
And it could be, but AI will never replace that.
According to them at Plumbers, Electricians, HVAC, same thing. So
if you're thinking about going and getting a job and
not going to college, I'll tell you for a fact,
ABC I do their ads, so it's not a plug
for them. But I know the guy that does all
their marketing. He told me, he said, Man, we'll hire anyone,
(10:51):
anyone to become an electrician. A plumber, HVAC will train you,
We'll send you to school, we'll teach you. And he said,
we don't have one that didn't make triple figures last year.
So that's think about that. If you're looking for a
job and you can't find one, call ABC Home and
Commercial Services especialist for your.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
Environment jims and uh and there you go. Maybe you
got a gig.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
All right, that's it was kind of a downer, and
but I know some of the stuff was interesting today.
But thanks for listening to the Bama Brown Experience as
much as it is on the iHeart podcast network.
Well, hey there Bama Brown within the Bama Brown Experience
on the iHeart podcast network along with the Big Puma,
the Big Cat who has a sports Cave San Antonio
Pooma live tonight with your show, right.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Yes, sir, back live tonight on YouTube at sports Cave Live.
But as always usually pretty quickly get the audio version
out there if you don't, if you don't feel like
you need to see my long hair and porn star mustache.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
Oh you're a handsome devil. Yeah, I'm telling.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
You, I'll take it anywhere I can get it.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
But now anywhere you get your podcast, just search for
the Sports Cave with Biggest Puma.
Speaker 4 (00:41):
I saw. This was interesting to me.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
You know, we've talked about this many times about AI
replacing people in their jobs and stuff big time in
our industry with you know this traffic now is a robot,
the Weather's robot. A lot of your just time and
tempt jocks are robots, you know, and they they even
(01:04):
have the accents and stuff. Man, It's it's pretty scary.
Here's five five jobs people that I saw that they
say very very as far as money that you can make.
So if you're getting ready to do something this is money.
You can make the more, the most money, but you
also won't be replaced probably with AI. Now, the first
(01:26):
one that jumped out of me forest firefighter, that's I
don't that would have never considered that a you know,
a ideal.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
I mean, but yeah, that one kind of makes perfect sense,
I guess unless you were going to tell me it
was like an AI drone that was dropping water.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
Yeah, in the in the big I could see that
in in the big tanker, you know, the dropping a
lot of water. But they still got to have the
guys on the ground, men and women on the ground.
I remember I was flying to Virginia one time and
there was a half dozen people that had their hard
hats and you got on, you know, and and uh,
I was like, what do you do?
Speaker 4 (02:00):
And they go, they got a big fire up here,
and I go, they bring it in this They.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
Were all from some other parts of the country coming
in to fight this big forest fire, and it just
sounded scary as hell. Seventy one grand is what those
guys make a year.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
Well, the ones that are doing it as free man,
I know.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
There's also the state of California uses some of their
inmate population to right, forest fires. I don't think they're
getting paid seventy one grand a year.
Speaker 4 (02:25):
They get to they get to get out and get
out of that box. And that's I built.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
A contagal visit each month.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
I built a habitat house one time for the Mayor
of Austin, and he had in the sheriff and the
mayor went together did and lee lefting wells of several
people involved this thing. Anyway, they brought me The sheriff
was the main guy behind it, and they brought me
inmates to help me build this house. And I asked, you, guys,
(02:53):
we had lunch. By the way, out of five guys,
three of them were listeners.
Speaker 4 (02:59):
I'll never forget.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
Yeah, well a shock anyway, we would. And I went
and got him to lunch. We were sitting around eating
and that we were framing this thing. And uh was
over in East Austin. And it's really I'll tell the
whole story. Lady was working for meals on wheels and
she knew the sheriff, Greg Hamilton was our sheriff at
the time. Knew him growing up. And he called me
and he said, Hey, this woman's house is just caving
(03:22):
in on her and it was over East Twelfth, and
I said, well, we can fix that. So we a
lot of builders got involved in it and stuff, but
I was kind of Ramrod and just the framing part.
Speaker 4 (03:32):
Guys poured a slab.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
And they had the plumbing already installed in the slab.
And so this deputy that was running the whole deal,
he was kind of the head guy for Travis County Deputies.
He called me and he said, okay, they came last
night and stole all the copper out of the they
call the fittings off and I was like, oh. So
he goes, we're going to put up a security fence
today and I said okay, And so he calls me
(03:56):
the next day and he goes, they stole the security
fence last night, the whole both every bit of it,
a chain link with the Sheriff's star on it, and
they stole it. And so I had to frame. I
had a small set of blueprints, so I framed up
the thing in my shop there in dripping springs, and
then they had the trucks, trucks with some goose necks
(04:17):
come and we loaded up I don't know thirty walls.
This was about a fifteen hundre square foot house or
better than too bad. We loaded up all the while
and the inmates came and they helped load it all up.
And then when we got over there, we put it
all up and bolted it down to the foundation and
it fit great, which was really a shock, you know,
but it was perfect. But with two hours we had
(04:37):
it all framed, you know, and then it was where
you just didn't have scrap lumber sitting there to steal.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
They would have had to really work.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
And if the one thing about thieves, they don't want
to work, they'd rather steal, so if they.
Speaker 4 (04:48):
Anyway, that was my part. I was done with it.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
But I cracked me up. They stole the security fence.
But anyway, what was it about? Oh the no ai
jibt all right? Second, now this was kind of surprise
to me. Flight attendant. Flight attendants on average make sixty
eight grand. They I could see a robot. They can
deliver food as a robot. I could see a robotic
(05:11):
flight attendant. But then I thought about the safety factor. Oh, okay,
you know, if it crashes, you got to have people help,
you know, to help get you to the exit.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
You know, I guess that's the part of the job
I never think about because I never want to think
about a plane crashing.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
I mean it makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Yeah, I mean some little robot that's going to sink
into the Hudson.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
Yeah, I'm going to be able to help you much.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
Right exactly.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
And it from what I understand, when the plane does crash,
finding an opening to get out of it is not
that hard.
Speaker 4 (05:44):
I mean broke Hopefully.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
I never, hopefully I ever have firsthand experience.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
You know, I saw the Delta crash in Dallas that
time I saw it.
Speaker 4 (05:55):
Hit the ground.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
I was in the airport and was traveling from Tulsa
to back to uh Odessa.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
Man, what an exotic journey that is.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
I sorry to say that was the highlight seeing the
plane crash, leaving it.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
Going df W A or bigger than those cities to.
Speaker 4 (06:14):
Be you wouldn't joke about a plane crash.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
But well, I had people go you were you saw
the plane ground and go yeah, but I was going
to Odessa.
Speaker 4 (06:22):
Oh god, I'm so sorry to hear that you lost.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
I had to go back to had to go get
some you know, a psychiatrist. Not over the planegrash, but
having to go back from Tulsa to Odessa. That's the
third joke on that.
Speaker 4 (06:34):
I'll leave it at that. But uh saw.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
I was standing there at the window just looking out
and a guy standing next to me, and it we
saw it hit the water tank and it was just
a giant fireball. And your head can't wrap around a
passenger jet. Your immediate response is a small plane as crashed.
And a guy goes, man, a small jit crashed, and
I said, or he's just like I was. And I said, man,
(06:58):
it hit that water. We really couldn't even see it
from the airport. Really, you saw the big fireball and
you could still see kind of the tail. And he goes,
wait a minute, compared to that other jeedler, he said,
that's a passenger jet. And then the weirdest thing, DFW.
Think of this, DFW completely silent as words spread about
(07:20):
the plane crash. Think of that airport and nobody talking.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
It was.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
It was the most surreal, weirdest And then that storm
then hits our you know, hits the glass, starts hitting
the glass and shaking the glass, and our plane was
sitting there and it there was a cart they were
doing something to the engine and our plane was, you know,
sitting there ready to get boarded, and this cart blew
into the wing and tore a hole into the wing
(07:44):
right in front of us. And so they had shut
the airport down. So we're there, you know, three or
four hours, and then somebody, the flight attendant, comes on
and goes, hey, I need to talk to everybody, and
so because a lot of people just left, you know,
but there were still a lot of people there because
we were going to Midland and uh, and so everybody
kind of came up there and she said, we got
(08:07):
here's the deal. We can get y'all out of here tonight.
Speaker 4 (08:11):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
But the we only have one plane and it's going
to go to Lubbock. We've got more people going to
love Uck to Midland. So if you can make it
to love Uck, you maybe could drive, because she said,
I don't know how long the airport's going to be
closed after this, and uh. And she said, but here's
the worst part. This plane's been ready for makeover. So
all of the overhead bends, the doors were stripped off,
(08:33):
all the upholstery had been stripped off, and the carpet
had been taken out.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
I think that was weird.
Speaker 4 (08:39):
It was a.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
I mean it looked like some South American airplane, you know,
you're flying into you know, with monkeys and stuff on
the in the plane anyway, but were also glad to
get out of there. And we landed in Loubbuck and
a guy hooked up with this guy Manders that's north
of Odessa, a little town, and we rented a car.
Speaker 4 (08:56):
He rented a.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
Car and love Buck and uh and we were able
to get home with like two in the morning. But yeah,
I lay, it was just and I told him, I said,
we don't get back on an airplane pretty soon, we're
probably going to be, you know, wigged out.
Speaker 4 (09:08):
H it was, it was, it was crazy to see
something like that. Well, I sure brought the show.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
All I can think about is the like being. I mean,
because what was this like late eighties, mid eighties.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
Yeah, we're in there.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
Yeah, I think that's what it was.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
Yeah, talking about the flight attendants.
Speaker 4 (09:30):
Where it started, Well, let me give the rest of it.
I'll fix it.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
These are the other three jobs at AI will not
probably replace. Lodging manager. You know, somebody works at the
hotel gets sixty five.
Speaker 4 (09:41):
Grand a year.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
It'd be the the hotel, you know, like the lobby
person the books she in.
Speaker 4 (09:46):
I had no idea that paid that.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
Well, yeah, I bet.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
There's more headaches to that job than I actually imagine,
because I mean, at first, at first it sounds like
that's a massive overpay, but thinking about some of the
a you're probably dealing with on a basis, yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
You're You're exactly right, Puma, I bet there's more to
that than you could ever imagine or want to know.
Four and five electrician and plumbers average pay, which I
think is low, but this is a nationwide deal, sixty
one thousand a year. I know two plumbers and two electricians.
Both of those guys are triple figures.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
Now you know, that feels more like apprentice money.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
And it could be, but AI will never replace that.
According to them at Plumbers, Electricians, HVAC, same thing. So
if you're thinking about going and getting a job and
not going to college, I'll tell you for a fact,
ABC I do their ads, so it's not a plug
for them. But I know the guy that does all
their marketing. He told me, he said, Man, we'll hire anyone,
(10:51):
anyone to become an electrician. A plumber, HVAC will train you,
We'll send you to school, we'll teach you. And he said,
we don't have one that didn't make triple figures last year.
So that's think about that. If you're looking for a
job and you can't find one, call ABC Home and
Commercial Services especialist for your.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
Environment jims and uh and there you go. Maybe you
got a gig.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
All right, that's it was kind of a downer, and
but I know some of the stuff was interesting today.
But thanks for listening to the Bama Brown Experience as
much as it is on the iHeart podcast network.
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