October 9, 2024 • 12 mins
KP talks to a couple of members from CITIZEN SOLDIER! These guys are all about bridging the gap between mental health and music with...well, their music. Listen to these guys open up about their music, being independent and performing at LOUDER THAN LIFE!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey, it's Kevin Powell here with the Kevin Powell Podcast.
It's Day three Lowdered in Life, kind of day two.
We'll get into that later. I have a band here
with me today. These guys are fantastic. They're all about
mental health. They have a great repertoire behind them, and
I'm talking with guys from Citizen Soldier. How are you
guys doing doing well?
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Man?
Speaker 1 (00:19):
How are you doing great? So you know, tell me
we got Jake once you go introduce yourselves. What do
you guys do in the band?
Speaker 2 (00:25):
I'm Jake, I sing in the band, I'm mad and
I'm play guitar.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
So pleasure to meet you guys. Thanks for being here today.
How does it feel to be part of Louder than
Life this year?
Speaker 2 (00:33):
This is great?
Speaker 3 (00:34):
I mean, as an independent band and just kind of
going out and playing shows and putting a name off
of ourselves is open these opportunities. So, I mean, I
think we're all just stoked to be here. And this
is the first year we've been hitting a lot of
these festivals. It's been awesome.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
We kind of came up as a band hearing that
you don't get these festivals. Danny Wimber festivals or festivals
of this caliber unless you're signed to a label or
have a management deal, you know. And it's been really
cool since we have no entry point, we have no
connection to just go to these markets in different places
and just have to get our own finals, get our
own headlining numbers, and just kind of prove that we belong.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
So it's fun to be here. It's a it's an
awesome result.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
Of a lot of hard work, and that's gonna be
a great sense of accomplishment knowing that, guys, we did
this ourselves. We didn't have like, yeah, we have fans
and you know, people backing us, but we don't have
any of that fancy dancy stuff that all these other
bands do.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
Yeah, man, I mean we just we just got confirmed
for a mainstage slot in Sonic Temple next year, and
that's obviously huge for an independent band. And we started out,
you know, we went to Columbus and played a little
venue there and then went back to the same venue
and sold it out, and then we went back as
the headliner and did a Thanium Theater at fifteen hundred
and you know, we had to go there and grind
(01:47):
and just make it happen and kind of force it
into existence, and it's an awesome feeling.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
It's gonna be really fun.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
Have you guys ever been to solting temples like fans
or anything like that.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
I have not.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
No, it's a been a buck of this festival, but
I yeah, this would be my first experience.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
I remember as the kid seeing these festivals on social
media and just being blown away at how many you know,
how stacked the lineups were.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
Oh yeah, and I never never made.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
Its a sonic temple. When you guys go in Columbus
a lot of fun. I mean, it's very well set up.
Any Danny Wimber Presents festivals top notch. I've talked to
many bands on this before who's been at Danny Wimber festivals,
not just latter in life, but et cetera, etc. They
always compliment them, and I have nothing but great stuff
to say, especially after yesterday that was wild. But here
(02:28):
we are still going day three, kind of day two.
But you know, you guys were still part of it.
You didn't have to, you know, cancel, So that's good
news there. Jake, you have kind of a special thing
on your end where it's not just all right, I'm
playing music. See you you're a clinical therapist. How did
you get into that? What aspect of that do you
kind of bring into your music?
Speaker 4 (02:49):
So I'm a certified social worker taking my test right
when I get home from this tour. Yell from my
LCS TELG. But yeah, I'm almost there. Sorry, what was
the question again?
Speaker 1 (02:58):
So the mental health side of things, how do you
bring that into your music?
Speaker 2 (03:01):
It kind of brings itself, man Like, it's cool.
Speaker 4 (03:04):
People ask what the triangle and our logo means, and
I tell them that what it means to me is,
you know, the songwriting is driven by my personal experiences,
the fan experiences and the client experiences and therapy. And
it's cool to see, like in a given record, you'll
see songs that are kind of more personal to me.
You'll see songs that they are more about things that
I hear from our fans, and you'll see songs that
are really driven by, you know, what I see as
(03:27):
a therapist. I feel like I have a really unique lens.
There's so many bands that have songs about depression or anxiety.
But for example, like we play a song live called
Strong for Somebody Else, and we had a client I
had a client that was sitting across from me on
the couch and they told me, if it weren't for
my kids, I wouldn't be here today. And I was like,
that really impacted me, you know, and I'm like, this
(03:47):
is something I've heard a lot in emails and fan mail,
and this is something that a lot of people are feeling.
And so I become like a journalist at that point.
I'm a reporter, you know, I'm absorbing information and I'm
kind of spitting it back out. And that song is
really about, you know, what it's like to be a parent,
or a sibling or a child, or someone who is
an enjoying life or is in a really dark place
(04:07):
and struggling, but they're just on an autopilot because they
feel like they don't want to hurt the people they
love around them. And it's such a rewarding feeling to
write something that you feel like is unique and is
like in an angle or a lens that hasn't been
done before, and then just watch it resonate with people
and connect. So my job is to kind of pick
up on patterns and write songs about it.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
And you, guys, what you do something via zoom kind
of in between shows.
Speaker 4 (04:34):
Yeah, I do telehealth when I'm on the road. I'll
just see clients that way. I'll depending on the situation,
I'll be like PRN status, so I'll say let me
know if you need me, and we can do an
emergency session. Some clients I'll just continue to see weekly.
I work with I specialize in victims of sexual violence.
I work with mostly women. I work with a lot
of complex PTSD and so you know, a lot of
(04:58):
a lot of that work is not something they can
just be on the shelf for a month, you know,
So it's important to be consistent. So balancing that in
this world is not easy. So I'm still learning how
to juggle it. But I could never stop being a therapist.
I just love it way too much.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
Absolutely. I mean, that's such a heartwarming thing to hear.
You know, no no shads, man, no shades. Any of
the other bands that just come play music, have fun,
you know, do their thing. You have a certain element
with you guys and your music, and the fact that
you're doing this to help people is just fantastic. So
thank you for doing this. If you know, say someone
(05:33):
wants to talk to you and book something with you,
how could they go about doing that?
Speaker 4 (05:39):
So the tricky thing there is when I got hired,
that was my first question in my boss was can
I see people who know my music already?
Speaker 2 (05:45):
And we had a lot of conversations.
Speaker 4 (05:46):
About that, and we decided that someone who already knows
me through my music is probably going to have a
pretty biased perspective when it comes to me and my advice.
They might be a little bit too eager to do
what I tell them. It kind of ax the therapeutic relationship.
So I actually have a boundary right now where I'm
unable to see anyone that already knows me through my music. Okay, granted,
(06:06):
if someone lied I or didn't tell me, I wouldn't
be able to And it's happened, and it's awkward, and
I have a really good gut for it. I can
usually tell when someone knows me already through through the music.
But what I will say is the way most people
find me is psychologytoday dot com. It's an amazing resource
where you can filter by location, by state, by issues
(06:29):
you're dealing with, by insurance that they take, and you
can get a list of therapists that are available and
It has their information for email, for text, for everything.
It's a great resource to find somebody that's licensed in
your area.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
Well, thank you for sharing that. I guess I just
wanted to plug you a little bit in case someone
watching listening is like, you know, that does sound good.
Let me let me see what he's all about.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
But how about you?
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Do you have any side hustles you want to say
that you mentioned?
Speaker 3 (06:52):
No, no, no side also is at this at this moment.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
But maybe I should, Maybe I should. He should. He
should be selling his homemade buffalo chicken dip.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Okay, so he's all right, I got youa hoimmade buffaloed
chicken dip available for purchase here at Loward and Light.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
No, I'm kidding.
Speaker 4 (07:07):
I'll be doing therapy in one corner. He'll have the
chips and dip in the other. I don't know what's
more therapeutic than chips and dip.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
So he'll pick you back up after you've left it
all out on the table.
Speaker 4 (07:16):
Yeah, go go cry in the corner with Jake and
then come have some comfort food after.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
So you guys are currently on tour with the Theory
of a dead Man and not yet yet, so that's
coming up.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
We're on our headlining tour right now with Likon for
Hire and Hallow Scene. We're going down through Texas in
the West Coast and Pacific Northwest, and then we drive
right back across the country to Saint Louis, where we
started this tour to jump on the theory of a
dead Man tour, which is an acoustic tour, which we're
really excited about because we've always said, like, our stuff
is very ballid, heavy, which.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Is odd for a rock band.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
Yeah, but so the acoustic stuff suits us so well.
We feel so comfortable there. So when we got that offer,
it wasn't convenient, but we were like, we've got to
make this word.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
Oh yeah, Yeah, it's gonna be a different dynamic for sure,
something like LOWERD and light acoustic tour. It'll still be
fun though, So congrats on that's that's a lot of fun.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Thanks man. We're excited.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
What else is coming up for you guys, twenty twenty four,
maybe going into twenty twenty five main.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
Stage Sonic Temple.
Speaker 4 (08:12):
We're expecting some other festival announcements soon as well that
we're excited about. We are recording a new record in
January I mean, we're releasing a record November thirteenth called
Icarus that we've been releasing this year through singles that
we're really excited about. We recently had a song called
Burden that charted at number one on the rock charts
for iTunes, which was really cool as a first for us. So,
(08:33):
I mean, people can expect us to be really consistent.
We put out a record every year, and you know,
it's just because I love writing and I always have
the itch. And something that we're excited about is this
next record that's coming up is really turned into a
concept record that from beginning to end is kind of
like the story of somebody going through trauma therapy, which
(08:54):
we think is you know, whenever we're working on content,
we always ask ourselves, you know, there's so many active
rock bands, there's so many up and coming rock bands.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
What makes us different? You know?
Speaker 4 (09:04):
And so we want to make sure that the art
that we're creating is is unique and that we can
always answer that question. You know, what makes this album special? Well,
let me explain. It's this journey of someone in trauma therapy,
you know, and with my background, obviously I have a unique.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
Lens on that that can convey that in a unique way.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
Then you have people like me who ask you about it,
and then you can tell to tell the story.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
So absolutely, man, that's why you're so valuable.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
So that's what's going on. Twenty twenty four to twenty
twenty five. What advice would you give the bands maybe
just starting out rock metal anything.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
I would say, try to pick a lane, focus on,
you know what interests you. Try not to compare yourself
too much to others, and just create for the joy
of doing it and your people will find it.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
You know, stay true in your heart.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
All of that one hundred percent agree with all of that.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
I would also say, focus more on developing your craft
than chasing opportunities. The opportunities will come if you get
great at what you do. And so I would say,
you know, it's like, it's funny rock writers are so
weird about co writes. They're like, I have to do
it all myself, or I'm not a great writer.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
This is weird.
Speaker 4 (10:15):
It's so funny, like rock hates on pop while covering
pop songs to try and get cloud and grow right,
Like we're very weird about that. And I think that,
like it's like You're not going to become a great
surgeon if you don't learn from surgeons in medical school
that have done it, really, you know what I mean. So,
like I took a huge leap in my songwriting when
I went to songwriting boot camp and just wrote with
(10:35):
everyone that would take me. So my advice is, get
out of your echo chamber as a writer, get used
to getting your feelings hurt, Go work with people better
than you, and just be in that cycle until you're like,
you know what, I'm starting to trust myself here.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
I think I'm getting pretty good at this.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
So it's always and I always, you know, it's good
to humble myself and get in the room with people
and be like, oh, you know, that's that's something I
haven't tried or done before. That's that's a tool that
I can pick up and put in my tool belt.
But too many people just want to stay in their
safe space and their echo chamber and be told how
awesome their songs are, when really, when you're starting out,
your songs probably aren't that awesome.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
You know, so well, very well said from both of you.
Any final things you guys want to say to fans.
Speaker 4 (11:19):
Our fans are amazing. We love them to pieces. Their family.
Every tour is like a non blood family reunion, and
so they know how we feel about them. We love them.
They're everything to us. We're very grateful for where we are.
The fact that we can do this for a living
puts us in the point zero one percent of musicians
in the world, you know, So we're very grateful.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
Yeah. I can't add anything to that. Yeah, we are
just grateful.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
And like you said, the fans, I think they know
how we feel about them, and that's just it's been.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
Great so far. Gentlemen.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
I appreciate a little bit of your time. I'm gonna
talk to you here in a second. Okay, okay, thank you,
thank you. So that's Citizen Soldier here. They got a
new album coming out in November. They're gonna be hitting
the Reverb stage later today actually, in a little bit
here at Louder in Life. Thanks for checking out this
episode of the podcast. We'll see you next time.
Hey, it's Kevin Powell here with the Kevin Powell Podcast.
It's Day three Lowdered in Life, kind of day two.
We'll get into that later. I have a band here
with me today. These guys are fantastic. They're all about
mental health. They have a great repertoire behind them, and
I'm talking with guys from Citizen Soldier. How are you
guys doing doing well?
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Man?
Speaker 1 (00:19):
How are you doing great? So you know, tell me
we got Jake once you go introduce yourselves. What do
you guys do in the band?
Speaker 2 (00:25):
I'm Jake, I sing in the band, I'm mad and
I'm play guitar.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
So pleasure to meet you guys. Thanks for being here today.
How does it feel to be part of Louder than
Life this year?
Speaker 2 (00:33):
This is great?
Speaker 3 (00:34):
I mean, as an independent band and just kind of
going out and playing shows and putting a name off
of ourselves is open these opportunities. So, I mean, I
think we're all just stoked to be here. And this
is the first year we've been hitting a lot of
these festivals. It's been awesome.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
We kind of came up as a band hearing that
you don't get these festivals. Danny Wimber festivals or festivals
of this caliber unless you're signed to a label or
have a management deal, you know. And it's been really
cool since we have no entry point, we have no
connection to just go to these markets in different places
and just have to get our own finals, get our
own headlining numbers, and just kind of prove that we belong.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
So it's fun to be here. It's a it's an
awesome result.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
Of a lot of hard work, and that's gonna be
a great sense of accomplishment knowing that, guys, we did
this ourselves. We didn't have like, yeah, we have fans
and you know, people backing us, but we don't have
any of that fancy dancy stuff that all these other
bands do.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
Yeah, man, I mean we just we just got confirmed
for a mainstage slot in Sonic Temple next year, and
that's obviously huge for an independent band. And we started out,
you know, we went to Columbus and played a little
venue there and then went back to the same venue
and sold it out, and then we went back as
the headliner and did a Thanium Theater at fifteen hundred
and you know, we had to go there and grind
(01:47):
and just make it happen and kind of force it
into existence, and it's an awesome feeling.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
It's gonna be really fun.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
Have you guys ever been to solting temples like fans
or anything like that.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
I have not.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
No, it's a been a buck of this festival, but
I yeah, this would be my first experience.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
I remember as the kid seeing these festivals on social
media and just being blown away at how many you know,
how stacked the lineups were.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
Oh yeah, and I never never made.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
Its a sonic temple. When you guys go in Columbus
a lot of fun. I mean, it's very well set up.
Any Danny Wimber Presents festivals top notch. I've talked to
many bands on this before who's been at Danny Wimber festivals,
not just latter in life, but et cetera, etc. They
always compliment them, and I have nothing but great stuff
to say, especially after yesterday that was wild. But here
(02:28):
we are still going day three, kind of day two.
But you know, you guys were still part of it.
You didn't have to, you know, cancel, So that's good
news there. Jake, you have kind of a special thing
on your end where it's not just all right, I'm
playing music. See you you're a clinical therapist. How did
you get into that? What aspect of that do you
kind of bring into your music?
Speaker 4 (02:49):
So I'm a certified social worker taking my test right
when I get home from this tour. Yell from my
LCS TELG. But yeah, I'm almost there. Sorry, what was
the question again?
Speaker 1 (02:58):
So the mental health side of things, how do you
bring that into your music?
Speaker 2 (03:01):
It kind of brings itself, man Like, it's cool.
Speaker 4 (03:04):
People ask what the triangle and our logo means, and
I tell them that what it means to me is,
you know, the songwriting is driven by my personal experiences,
the fan experiences and the client experiences and therapy. And
it's cool to see, like in a given record, you'll
see songs that are kind of more personal to me.
You'll see songs that they are more about things that
I hear from our fans, and you'll see songs that
are really driven by, you know, what I see as
(03:27):
a therapist. I feel like I have a really unique lens.
There's so many bands that have songs about depression or anxiety.
But for example, like we play a song live called
Strong for Somebody Else, and we had a client I
had a client that was sitting across from me on
the couch and they told me, if it weren't for
my kids, I wouldn't be here today. And I was like,
that really impacted me, you know, and I'm like, this
(03:47):
is something I've heard a lot in emails and fan mail,
and this is something that a lot of people are feeling.
And so I become like a journalist at that point.
I'm a reporter, you know, I'm absorbing information and I'm
kind of spitting it back out. And that song is
really about, you know, what it's like to be a parent,
or a sibling or a child, or someone who is
an enjoying life or is in a really dark place
(04:07):
and struggling, but they're just on an autopilot because they
feel like they don't want to hurt the people they
love around them. And it's such a rewarding feeling to
write something that you feel like is unique and is
like in an angle or a lens that hasn't been
done before, and then just watch it resonate with people
and connect. So my job is to kind of pick
up on patterns and write songs about it.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
And you, guys, what you do something via zoom kind
of in between shows.
Speaker 4 (04:34):
Yeah, I do telehealth when I'm on the road. I'll
just see clients that way. I'll depending on the situation,
I'll be like PRN status, so I'll say let me
know if you need me, and we can do an
emergency session. Some clients I'll just continue to see weekly.
I work with I specialize in victims of sexual violence.
I work with mostly women. I work with a lot
of complex PTSD and so you know, a lot of
(04:58):
a lot of that work is not something they can
just be on the shelf for a month, you know,
So it's important to be consistent. So balancing that in
this world is not easy. So I'm still learning how
to juggle it. But I could never stop being a therapist.
I just love it way too much.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
Absolutely. I mean, that's such a heartwarming thing to hear.
You know, no no shads, man, no shades. Any of
the other bands that just come play music, have fun,
you know, do their thing. You have a certain element
with you guys and your music, and the fact that
you're doing this to help people is just fantastic. So
thank you for doing this. If you know, say someone
(05:33):
wants to talk to you and book something with you,
how could they go about doing that?
Speaker 4 (05:39):
So the tricky thing there is when I got hired,
that was my first question in my boss was can
I see people who know my music already?
Speaker 2 (05:45):
And we had a lot of conversations.
Speaker 4 (05:46):
About that, and we decided that someone who already knows
me through my music is probably going to have a
pretty biased perspective when it comes to me and my advice.
They might be a little bit too eager to do
what I tell them. It kind of ax the therapeutic relationship.
So I actually have a boundary right now where I'm
unable to see anyone that already knows me through my music. Okay, granted,
(06:06):
if someone lied I or didn't tell me, I wouldn't
be able to And it's happened, and it's awkward, and
I have a really good gut for it. I can
usually tell when someone knows me already through through the music.
But what I will say is the way most people
find me is psychologytoday dot com. It's an amazing resource
where you can filter by location, by state, by issues
(06:29):
you're dealing with, by insurance that they take, and you
can get a list of therapists that are available and
It has their information for email, for text, for everything.
It's a great resource to find somebody that's licensed in
your area.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
Well, thank you for sharing that. I guess I just
wanted to plug you a little bit in case someone
watching listening is like, you know, that does sound good.
Let me let me see what he's all about.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
But how about you?
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Do you have any side hustles you want to say
that you mentioned?
Speaker 3 (06:52):
No, no, no side also is at this at this moment.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
But maybe I should, Maybe I should. He should. He
should be selling his homemade buffalo chicken dip.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Okay, so he's all right, I got youa hoimmade buffaloed
chicken dip available for purchase here at Loward and Light.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
No, I'm kidding.
Speaker 4 (07:07):
I'll be doing therapy in one corner. He'll have the
chips and dip in the other. I don't know what's
more therapeutic than chips and dip.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
So he'll pick you back up after you've left it
all out on the table.
Speaker 4 (07:16):
Yeah, go go cry in the corner with Jake and
then come have some comfort food after.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
So you guys are currently on tour with the Theory
of a dead Man and not yet yet, so that's
coming up.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
We're on our headlining tour right now with Likon for
Hire and Hallow Scene. We're going down through Texas in
the West Coast and Pacific Northwest, and then we drive
right back across the country to Saint Louis, where we
started this tour to jump on the theory of a
dead Man tour, which is an acoustic tour, which we're
really excited about because we've always said, like, our stuff
is very ballid, heavy, which.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Is odd for a rock band.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
Yeah, but so the acoustic stuff suits us so well.
We feel so comfortable there. So when we got that offer,
it wasn't convenient, but we were like, we've got to
make this word.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
Oh yeah, Yeah, it's gonna be a different dynamic for sure,
something like LOWERD and light acoustic tour. It'll still be
fun though, So congrats on that's that's a lot of fun.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Thanks man. We're excited.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
What else is coming up for you guys, twenty twenty four,
maybe going into twenty twenty five main.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
Stage Sonic Temple.
Speaker 4 (08:12):
We're expecting some other festival announcements soon as well that
we're excited about. We are recording a new record in
January I mean, we're releasing a record November thirteenth called
Icarus that we've been releasing this year through singles that
we're really excited about. We recently had a song called
Burden that charted at number one on the rock charts
for iTunes, which was really cool as a first for us. So,
(08:33):
I mean, people can expect us to be really consistent.
We put out a record every year, and you know,
it's just because I love writing and I always have
the itch. And something that we're excited about is this
next record that's coming up is really turned into a
concept record that from beginning to end is kind of
like the story of somebody going through trauma therapy, which
(08:54):
we think is you know, whenever we're working on content,
we always ask ourselves, you know, there's so many active
rock bands, there's so many up and coming rock bands.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
What makes us different? You know?
Speaker 4 (09:04):
And so we want to make sure that the art
that we're creating is is unique and that we can
always answer that question. You know, what makes this album special? Well,
let me explain. It's this journey of someone in trauma therapy,
you know, and with my background, obviously I have a unique.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
Lens on that that can convey that in a unique way.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
Then you have people like me who ask you about it,
and then you can tell to tell the story.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
So absolutely, man, that's why you're so valuable.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
So that's what's going on. Twenty twenty four to twenty
twenty five. What advice would you give the bands maybe
just starting out rock metal anything.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
I would say, try to pick a lane, focus on,
you know what interests you. Try not to compare yourself
too much to others, and just create for the joy
of doing it and your people will find it.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
You know, stay true in your heart.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
All of that one hundred percent agree with all of that.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
I would also say, focus more on developing your craft
than chasing opportunities. The opportunities will come if you get
great at what you do. And so I would say,
you know, it's like, it's funny rock writers are so
weird about co writes. They're like, I have to do
it all myself, or I'm not a great writer.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
This is weird.
Speaker 4 (10:15):
It's so funny, like rock hates on pop while covering
pop songs to try and get cloud and grow right,
Like we're very weird about that. And I think that,
like it's like You're not going to become a great
surgeon if you don't learn from surgeons in medical school
that have done it, really, you know what I mean. So,
like I took a huge leap in my songwriting when
I went to songwriting boot camp and just wrote with
(10:35):
everyone that would take me. So my advice is, get
out of your echo chamber as a writer, get used
to getting your feelings hurt, Go work with people better
than you, and just be in that cycle until you're like,
you know what, I'm starting to trust myself here.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
I think I'm getting pretty good at this.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
So it's always and I always, you know, it's good
to humble myself and get in the room with people
and be like, oh, you know, that's that's something I
haven't tried or done before. That's that's a tool that
I can pick up and put in my tool belt.
But too many people just want to stay in their
safe space and their echo chamber and be told how
awesome their songs are, when really, when you're starting out,
your songs probably aren't that awesome.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
You know, so well, very well said from both of you.
Any final things you guys want to say to fans.
Speaker 4 (11:19):
Our fans are amazing. We love them to pieces. Their family.
Every tour is like a non blood family reunion, and
so they know how we feel about them. We love them.
They're everything to us. We're very grateful for where we are.
The fact that we can do this for a living
puts us in the point zero one percent of musicians
in the world, you know, So we're very grateful.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
Yeah. I can't add anything to that. Yeah, we are
just grateful.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
And like you said, the fans, I think they know
how we feel about them, and that's just it's been.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
Great so far. Gentlemen.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
I appreciate a little bit of your time. I'm gonna
talk to you here in a second. Okay, okay, thank you,
thank you. So that's Citizen Soldier here. They got a
new album coming out in November. They're gonna be hitting
the Reverb stage later today actually, in a little bit
here at Louder in Life. Thanks for checking out this
episode of the podcast. We'll see you next time.
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