November 27, 2024 • 26 mins
Members from Ohio metalcore band DEVIANTS join Kevin Powell on the podcast to discuss the band's origins, newest release and tease what they have in store in 2025.
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(00:53):
of the podcast. My name is Kevin Powell. I love
all things rock, metal, everything in between, and I love
talking to man. So I've done it and I'm going
to keep that train rolling right now. I have a
band with me called Deviance.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
How you guys doing pretty good? How are you doing
pretty good? Pretty busy?
Speaker 2 (01:08):
I got home from work and I threw all my
stuff down on the ground and I'm like, all right,
let's go, and you know, it's a good chaos, but
it's fine. It's what I love doing, and I love
talking to bands like you guys, wytn't go ahead and
introduce yourselves?
Speaker 3 (01:19):
What do you guys do in the band?
Speaker 4 (01:21):
I'm Dave. I play guitar, and I also do vocals.
Speaker 5 (01:24):
I also do a lot of audio production and video production,
and that's basically it.
Speaker 4 (01:32):
Yeah, I'm John.
Speaker 6 (01:34):
I play drums and do singing and screaming for the band,
take a nice sized portion in the like lyrical and
instrumental writing alongside Dave. And then we also co direct
all of our music videos.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
So we're gonna dive a little more into that here
in a second. I want to know how you guys
kind of got together. How did Deviants store?
Speaker 4 (02:00):
What a story? What a story? You can start?
Speaker 6 (02:04):
So, actually, Deviance was formed back in twenty twenty, and
we kind of had a little bit of a different
lineup then and because of all of you know, everybody's
lives just changing. Adding more diversity, yead diversity and everything.
(02:25):
It ended up just becoming me and I was the
only real member of Deviance at that point. And then
me and Dave actually met through a show that I
had booked for the band, and he played direct support
for us beforehand, like I want to say, probably six
months before it ended up just being me. Our bass
(02:49):
guitarists ended up coming back when Dave was like officially
in the band at that point, and then we picked
up our rhythm guitarists and kind of just reformed as
a band, and Dave actually took some of those songs
with me that we had written initially before Dave was here,
(03:10):
and we made it into the sound that Incinerate is
and completely kind of flipped it on its head.
Speaker 5 (03:17):
I think it's important to add to this story about
So I was in another band obviously, and I was
a band I started.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
I was.
Speaker 5 (03:25):
It was about a ten year long project, so we
were active in the local scene and like a run
the Cleveland area. And when John set up the his
headliner for his release show shortly after that, like everything
kind of went to shit, and me and John Staton,
you know, in contact, and I talked to him off
(03:46):
and he even considered quitting. Well, I love music so much,
like and I love people who love music.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
So I told him, no.
Speaker 5 (03:54):
You're not quitting. And so I'm like, we're gonna, We're
gonna revive this. And basically Dvins didn't have any like
solid recording tracks besides one song that was produced.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
They just had ideas.
Speaker 5 (04:09):
So me and John sat down together and I'm like,
how does this song go? And He's like, da da
da da done done done done, done done. And I'm like,
all right, all right, cool, you got it. And then
I put that on the guitar, put it through the doll,
and then we reimagine all the tracks and then everything
is basically history.
Speaker 6 (04:26):
It's kind of like the lead riff in Lifeline.
Speaker 4 (04:28):
I wrote that with my mouth.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Yeah, I was gonna say, how many notes or audio
notes do you guys have? I'm just like, okay, song idea, five, done, done,
done it.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
Just I have so many.
Speaker 5 (04:41):
You'd be so surprised. You'd be so surprised how many
things we got pinned in our chat.
Speaker 4 (04:45):
Oh yeah, and then even like one line lyrics, just
we could write a song like that.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
I have if I go through my notes, I have
stuff from like twenty seventeen, still I think, and I'm like,
it just says like title and it's like the dumbest
thing I've ever thought of. I'm like, why did I
save this and the lead?
Speaker 3 (05:05):
You know, just whatever?
Speaker 2 (05:06):
So you guys released Nepe back in August. What was
the inspiration behind it? Are there any specific themes, stories
or anything like that? How did this EP come to be?
Speaker 4 (05:15):
I feel like.
Speaker 5 (05:16):
That Incinerate was like the seed for the vision of Deviants.
I think that like a lot of the stuff that
we created from that was had a starting point from
at least even like all the prior members. So after
we've experienced or experimented with writing new material, like you
(05:41):
can tell like the gap between the vision. So I know,
none of that stuff's out yet and it's not really important, but.
Speaker 6 (05:51):
Yeah, with with Incinerate, it was all just kind of
songs that when I was in my teens, I was like, Yo,
here's a cool little chorus melody because I like listening
to metal, and the amount of times that it changed,
Like I actually have a video of me doing an
entire concept for our song burn in my bedroom in
(06:11):
twenty seventeen, and it's extremely cringey and.
Speaker 4 (06:16):
Terrible, but gotta start somewhere.
Speaker 6 (06:20):
Maybe one day it will be released to the world
to laugh at me for But it's cool to see
like little ideas from the initial vision of what there
was for Devians, seeing the progression and how far those
ideas have come to actually be something.
Speaker 4 (06:42):
So a lot of them are just like on the
spot like inspiration.
Speaker 5 (06:45):
There's not really like I don't think there's exactly like
a core inspiration that drives a lot of them. And
maybe it's it's good that way, so like they can
be extremely relatable and we want anybody that listens to
our music to just be able to be like, oh,
this song means this to me, and I feel like
that's that's pretty cool.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
So how about a favorite song that each of you
have on this EP and why.
Speaker 4 (07:09):
We both know already go ahead, Mine's Pain for sure.
Speaker 7 (07:15):
I love Pain.
Speaker 6 (07:16):
I love the little eight bit that's at the beginning
of it. The chorus to me is the catchiest. It
has a really deep meaning and I think it's probably
lyrically the best song on the album. And it's also
really highly relatable because of the issues that it touches
on for mental health.
Speaker 5 (07:37):
Yeah, that's big mine definitely is Gravity, and not I.
Speaker 4 (07:44):
Don't think it's because it's the best song on the EP.
Speaker 5 (07:47):
I think the sentimental aspect to it, to me makes
it my favorite because it was technically the first thing
creatively I brought to Deviants as a guitar aspect, because
as it started off as.
Speaker 4 (08:01):
Just like an idea in John's head lyrically and.
Speaker 5 (08:07):
With not to call anybody out or anything, but it
kind of got turned down a lot by previous members
and I'm like, well, I want to see what happens
to it, and it growed into something really special.
Speaker 4 (08:17):
It grew into something really special.
Speaker 5 (08:19):
And I feel like because I was able to take
my style and bring it closer to Devian's for like
the first time and actually make the idea come to
life and it still be, I think, a really good song.
I feel like that's kind of really cool. I can
connect with that.
Speaker 6 (08:36):
I think that Gravity is actually like the closest song
off that EP to the kind of stuff that we
do now. Because Dave did have such a heavy influence
on how riffs should go. The second breakdown in the
song wasn't there before Dave and I had a manic
episode one day here and we were.
Speaker 4 (08:55):
Just like, oh, what if we do better? Just a
bunch of noises, Just a bunch of noises. That's cool.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
And I think we also talked before this, you guys
have shifted from like outsourcing your stuff to studios to
kind of self producing.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
Why why go down that route?
Speaker 2 (09:13):
You know what's been I don't want to say the
reception because it's all you guys, but what's been the
overall thought behind it.
Speaker 6 (09:21):
It's a massive money saver, and you can also on
top of that, you can also take the time that like,
there's less revisions at that point that you have to
work with the outsourced studio or producer, because when when
(09:45):
you're sending or when you're receiving mixes from your producer,
it's constant, Oh the drums are too loud, Oh the
vocals are screaming. We got to bring that down. And
it's just taking another perspective from somebody who isn't in
the band on a final product for the band and
(10:06):
where that can be good at times, keeping it all
in house as long as it's done properly. To me,
I think that's the best option possible because we can
all one sit down and be like, this is what
I want.
Speaker 4 (10:20):
How do we do it?
Speaker 6 (10:22):
We figure out how to do it, and then we
can take full pride in that.
Speaker 4 (10:27):
There's also a lot of like other things. Oh, kitty cat,
I have three.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
Sometimes there's gonna be a little special guest.
Speaker 5 (10:34):
That's okay, you might see one of mine a little.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
This is Max from.
Speaker 5 (10:41):
Like my perspective. I'm thirty one years old. I've been
playing guitarist since I was eight years old, like I've
always been even since I was young, like driven to
play music. And so I found myself, like I guess
more or less, meeting the right people within my area
that helped really educate and shape the kind of direction.
Speaker 4 (11:05):
There's a local producer. His name is Scooter Ford. Shout out.
He's a great guy.
Speaker 5 (11:09):
And he I learned a lot from him because we'd
spend in my old band uh weeks working with him
and being able to say, if you care about it
so much, you can sit there and really analyze the
steps to it. And not only just that, but it's
been a handful of other producers that I ended up
working with as well, and it got to a point
(11:30):
where it's like, well, with this day and age, it's
so competitive out there, Like if your mix isn't bumping,
if it doesn't slam, if it's not loud, it's it's
hard to really like keep it within the ocean of music.
Speaker 4 (11:45):
And I've that's not really just my opinion. I feel
like it's several other people that I've talked to.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
It's how it is.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
Yeah, So.
Speaker 5 (11:54):
And I'm not saying, like when I say this next thing,
I'm not happy with our mixes or whatever. I just
think that we just kind of talking back to about
what John ha said is we could have more time
and we could add more stuff, and as people from
the band, we can care much more. It was quite
an investment to get to where kind of we're at
(12:14):
right now. But there is definitely a visual and audible difference,
So like just being able to apply everything and like
I'm a bit of a nerd. I overwatch YouTube and
I overlearn, so you know, having those like things contrast
and like overlap with each other kind of just made
it easier for us to make the decision to do it.
(12:38):
And I guess we're going to find out how well
it goes when we dropped the next single.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
But you know, so who takes the producer reins now
is it everybody? Is it kind of one guy? Okay,
he's appointing to you, okay.
Speaker 5 (12:55):
More like and like engineer you know, like yes, I
mean I I do you produce like a lot of
the guitar stuff. But at the same time, like that's
there's just a gray area when it comes to like engineers, producers,
mixing engineers, mastering engineers. It's just like when you put
those things in, it feels like it's excluding other parts
(13:16):
to the process. And I love that everybody in the
band wants, you know, to be a part of it.
So like I'm okay with taking that role of being
the engineer producer aspect.
Speaker 6 (13:27):
A big thing that I plan on moving into in
the future is recording my own vocal takes at home
and editing my own vocals to where it takes a
little bit of that uh weight off of his shoulders so.
Speaker 4 (13:40):
He doesn't have to do everything.
Speaker 5 (13:43):
It's a lot that my mix right now is there's
so many tracks, so many tracks. I have two plugins
that are on the like you when you click analog
on a plug in and then you everything else is
just straight you know, digital.
Speaker 4 (13:59):
There's like this weird static.
Speaker 5 (14:00):
It always happens, and then you got to dig through
two hundred tracks find out excuse me, sorry, where in
the head is this compressor?
Speaker 2 (14:08):
So how many songs have you self produced so far?
For Devians, I'd say one and a half one and
a half. Yeah, So wait until you start doing like five, yes,
oh yeah, every single one. You'll be like, man, I
definitely should have done this.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
I am dummy. I can't believe it.
Speaker 4 (14:24):
Just it's and that's but I hear it, I hear
about it, and I'm like, oh no.
Speaker 6 (14:29):
That's the other beautiful thing about going into self producing
is the fact that there's always even more that you
can learn from because you will listen back as you
keep going forward, and you'll be like, oh, this.
Speaker 4 (14:43):
Song sounds really good, best one we've done.
Speaker 6 (14:45):
You released the next song, this is the best one
that we've done, and then you look back and you're like, I.
Speaker 4 (14:50):
Should have done this.
Speaker 5 (14:51):
Differently, I'm on mixed like a hundred with our new
song like to Be, and I'm not even playing like it's.
Speaker 4 (14:58):
It's got to a point where it's like, all right,
this isn't what I want.
Speaker 5 (15:01):
I'm just gonna redo the whole thing, and then it's like, Okay,
I forgot it entirely, most important step that I need
to do, so I got to restart all over.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
But like, that's the thing is I've done it too.
Speaker 4 (15:11):
That's the thing is like it's gonna be like that.
Speaker 5 (15:13):
We even with our like our videos and stuff like that,
I've learned to like video edit, like as we were
video editing the music videos. So it's just like, well,
we gotta work with what we have, and if we
only have so much funds, then we got to at
least try to.
Speaker 4 (15:30):
Sculpt the vision with what material we can do.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
So here's the thing with self producing. The first thing
you said was it's a money saver, boy is it?
Because you know, there's there's a lot of people who
might listen and watch this that are in bands, that
have been in bands for a long time, or it
might just be general music lovers. If they don't know
the expense costs for a good producer, it will overwhelm
(15:58):
you because it's not the same price it was back
in twenty twenty, let alone, twenty seventeen, let alone, as
you keep going down now, yeah, things have gone up
in general, but this is a main reason why you
see a lot of bands self producers everything like that
kind of do everything on their own is because of
(16:19):
the money thing. Then, as you mentioned, like we keep
trying to do better, do better, do better. We're on
this thing called submit Hub. We've both ran into each
other there.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
Yeah. Boy, are these playlist editors picky.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
Because they need a very specific type of recording to
be in their Spotify playlist. And if you don't meet
the cut, even though you paid money to do it,
see you, it's so nitpicky now. But man, it is cutthroat.
And if my cat does not calm down, I'm trying
so hard.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
It's just so bunny.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
Anyways, it's actually Max's podcast here.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
Sorry guys, we're just part of it. So.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
Yes, that's another thing too, is it's a big learning experience.
You've learned how to video edit. Do you think you've
had any thought to do that five years ago?
Speaker 3 (17:07):
Six years ago? No? Same thing with producing.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
I mean, yes, it's tedious and oh my god, I
gotta do everything again and on my computer crash and
it is so much to it, man, Yeah, yeah, and
I gotta go to work it too.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
It's just like that.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
But when you're gonna look back and you're gonna go.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
Wow, I'm so glad I did that.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
Yeah, and then maybe maybe you kick it up fifteen
thousand notches and you get super serious about it. Now
people are coming to you like, man, I love your mixes.
Let me let me pay you to do it for me.
And you're like, no, yeah, that.
Speaker 4 (17:41):
Is only just a part of the goal.
Speaker 5 (17:42):
But honestly, I feel like, you know, I would welcome it, honestly.
I mean, when I was younger, I used a program
called Tux Guitar.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
I don't know if I still I still have that,
do you?
Speaker 4 (17:53):
Yes, yes, I'm not alone.
Speaker 5 (17:55):
So, like there's mixing involved with that program, you know,
like especially if you use orchestra moments and stuff like that.
Speaker 4 (18:01):
And I was really big into orchestra, like metal core.
Speaker 5 (18:03):
You know, so I had Violin's keys, you name it.
But there's like a little bit of mixing obviously, just
volume faders and stuff. But and it's like that's just
like was even just a little bit of a seed
of interest. Is be like, Okay, maybe maybe it's possible
because I do have also a picky taste in music,
So I mean, who knows, you know.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
I finally pulled the trigger and bought guitar Pro. I
don't remember who else talking to some band at some
point and they're like, bro.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
You got you gotta get guitar Pro. It's so helpful.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
I'm like, you're probably right, I just don't want to
pay for it. And I finally did pretty good, but
I also haven't dove into it just yet. Not enough time.
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Speaker 2 (18:51):
Right now, I'm talking to a band out of the Cleveland,
Ohio area called Devians, and these guys have a lot
going on. They just did an EP in what August, right,
YEP August ninth, and you're working on another single and
I just heard a single and a half, So we're
getting there.
Speaker 5 (19:07):
We've got to the end for plenty Yeah, well that
would definitely be another probably even longer.
Speaker 4 (19:13):
EP release for probably full length.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
So I was going to kind of ask about that.
Getting toward the end of twenty twenty four, what do
you have coming up for twenty twenty five? What have
you guys discussed? What's what's in the process here?
Speaker 4 (19:25):
See, now we're in risky territory.
Speaker 5 (19:27):
Well, we do know that we have a I guess
you could consider it a marketing campaign coming up for
our new newest song, and it's about zombies and people
love zombies. Zombies are metal. But we also have like,
I mean, just like several other just like imagined songs.
(19:48):
So it's like, it's so hard to say because once
I feel confident enough to a point to where I
got our mixes to where I feel like we could
push them out because I'm not even gonna send them
to the guys until I send them to my other
producer for my other band, and he's gonna be like, yo, dummy, Yeah,
just in.
Speaker 4 (20:08):
Case, because I can't hear everything. Man, I'm not perfect.
I shot guns as a kid.
Speaker 5 (20:15):
But yeah, I feel like we're just honestly, we're gonna overhaul,
Like once this one single gets taken care of, we
already shot the music video.
Speaker 4 (20:26):
We're gonna put throw that in the editor.
Speaker 5 (20:28):
When I used to edit the other videos, I was
using a Dell and for anybody who's a new musician.
Don't use Dell's to do anything because unless they're really
high tier stuff, because I could not get anything done.
I would be editing by the millisecond because that's all
my computer could render, and it's that's not fun at all.
Speaker 4 (20:47):
So how long did it?
Speaker 6 (20:48):
I think it took us like two months to actually
get Lifeline somewhat watchable, and I worked twelve.
Speaker 5 (20:56):
Hours shifts, man like I got like five hours of daylight,
you know.
Speaker 4 (21:00):
To myself. So but I feel like that's really where
we're at.
Speaker 5 (21:05):
We're just gonna we're gonna try to fucking just We're
gonna try to kill it as much as we can
and get as many songs done as we can, and
then I guess paint the vision.
Speaker 4 (21:15):
We kind of have somewhat of an idea of a
concept we're gonna go with, but.
Speaker 6 (21:19):
We also want to hit some some venues, Yeah, play
some shows.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
What ultimate goals do you have for twenty twenty five.
Speaker 5 (21:28):
When it came to Incinerate? Obviously, balancing band life is tough,
Like not everybody has million dollars to put into a project.
I think I really want to jump on the opportunity
in heavily investing and really pushing the newer stuff and
(21:54):
really getting it throughout the internet.
Speaker 4 (21:57):
I can't remember what band did it. It was an interview.
Speaker 5 (21:59):
They said that they tried their best to kind of
get well known in their local community, but they would
obviously market and advertise, and eventually they became more popular
in like New York and like all these other places,
and then it came back around and then the local
scene was basically hopping for them, you know. So, like,
I really want to create a demand for Devians, and
(22:21):
I think we'll probably have a more established brand by
the end of twenty twenty five with including like a
handful of singles, if not a full length.
Speaker 6 (22:31):
We're hoping for a full length. We have a really
cool concept for it. It'll be kind of like a
concept album to where not necessarily all of the songs
are going to be connected into one big story, but
it would be different variations of the story. And I
(22:53):
can't really say too terribly much more on that.
Speaker 5 (22:56):
It sucks because we have so many ideas and then
like when you're swimming in a nocean of bands, man
like and not having enough, I guess following it's like
these ideas seem to fizzle, and you know, I really
want to make sure we capitalize on financing and and
do what we can, maybe even turn Deviants into an LLC.
(23:16):
I don't know, just like getting definitely a lot more professional,
even though I don't say we're not professional or anything,
but you know, I would.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
Certainly there's certainly a look that bands have that definitely
are like, whoa, these guys do business. Not saying you
guys don't, but like, you know, that feeling of like
oh shit, yeah, yeah for sure.
Speaker 5 (23:38):
And we even got little tiny aspects about it, like
we all have red instruments.
Speaker 4 (23:42):
We didn't do that on purpose.
Speaker 5 (23:44):
We just all happened to have red instruments, you know,
and Deviance kind of gives off a red feel I
feel like in my brain.
Speaker 4 (23:49):
Maybe that's just my brain. I always thought it was blue.
But okayad same thing.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
So what final words would you like to say to fans,
whether they've been there since day one, maybe you just
got some new fans, anything at all.
Speaker 6 (24:07):
Well, we love and appreciate every single person that wants
to take the time and give us a listen, give
us a view, check us out if you like the music,
just share it, share it with your friends, listen to it,
throw it on a repeat at work for eight hours
when you're pissed off. We just and keep a lookout
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for announcements on us because we most definitely have a
single that I'm going to confidently say is going to
be out within the first quarter of twenty twenty five.
Speaker 5 (24:43):
I genuinely feel like the newest single is like going
from base Say in Form to ss Super Saying God.
It is quite the difference in like maturity.
Speaker 6 (24:57):
I feel the lyrist on this next song is hands
down the best lyricism that we have.
Speaker 5 (25:08):
It sucks because we can't share, and it's just like
and I'm like, it sucks.
Speaker 4 (25:14):
I just I wanted to be out to the world.
Speaker 6 (25:16):
That's why I like I've been kicking him in the
ass being like, where's my fucking mix?
Speaker 5 (25:23):
Just as he came over today, my computers like just
started like freaking out and like I'm like, no way,
no way, because it's like an eighteen hundred computer, dude,
It's there's no there was something with the update. I
updated it and changed the buffering size and it was fine,
but I was freaking out for no reason.
Speaker 4 (25:40):
Oh it's always something.
Speaker 5 (25:41):
It's always something that's for new musicians.
Speaker 4 (25:45):
It's always something. It's always something I feel like that's
great advice.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
Yes, I have a list of something at any given time.
Speaker 6 (25:55):
Ye.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
Yes, Well, gentlemen, I do appreciate a little bit of
your time today. I'm gonna be talking to you here
a little bit off air.
Speaker 5 (26:01):
Okay, okay, awesome, awesome, thanks for having us me, Yes,
thank you.
Speaker 3 (26:05):
Yep. All right.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
So that's the band Deviance. They're based out of the Cleveland,
Ohio area. They just put out an EP around August time,
and they're already working on newer music.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
These guys.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
You know, if you're following like the Sonic Temple or
the Incarceration or the DWP pages, you've probably seen them
a comment in there a few times, and hey, if
it works, it works. So I do wish them the
best of luck with that. Hope you guys enjoyed this
episode of the podcast. Make sure you check out Deviance.
We'll see you guys next time.
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of the podcast. My name is Kevin Powell. I love
all things rock, metal, everything in between, and I love
talking to man. So I've done it and I'm going
to keep that train rolling right now. I have a
band with me called Deviance.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
How you guys doing pretty good? How are you doing
pretty good? Pretty busy?
Speaker 2 (01:08):
I got home from work and I threw all my
stuff down on the ground and I'm like, all right,
let's go, and you know, it's a good chaos, but
it's fine. It's what I love doing, and I love
talking to bands like you guys, wytn't go ahead and
introduce yourselves?
Speaker 3 (01:19):
What do you guys do in the band?
Speaker 4 (01:21):
I'm Dave. I play guitar, and I also do vocals.
Speaker 5 (01:24):
I also do a lot of audio production and video production,
and that's basically it.
Speaker 4 (01:32):
Yeah, I'm John.
Speaker 6 (01:34):
I play drums and do singing and screaming for the band,
take a nice sized portion in the like lyrical and
instrumental writing alongside Dave. And then we also co direct
all of our music videos.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
So we're gonna dive a little more into that here
in a second. I want to know how you guys
kind of got together. How did Deviants store?
Speaker 4 (02:00):
What a story? What a story? You can start?
Speaker 6 (02:04):
So, actually, Deviance was formed back in twenty twenty, and
we kind of had a little bit of a different
lineup then and because of all of you know, everybody's
lives just changing. Adding more diversity, yead diversity and everything.
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It ended up just becoming me and I was the
only real member of Deviance at that point. And then
me and Dave actually met through a show that I
had booked for the band, and he played direct support
for us beforehand, like I want to say, probably six
months before it ended up just being me. Our bass
(02:49):
guitarists ended up coming back when Dave was like officially
in the band at that point, and then we picked
up our rhythm guitarists and kind of just reformed as
a band, and Dave actually took some of those songs
with me that we had written initially before Dave was here,
(03:10):
and we made it into the sound that Incinerate is
and completely kind of flipped it on its head.
Speaker 5 (03:17):
I think it's important to add to this story about
So I was in another band obviously, and I was
a band I started.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
I was.
Speaker 5 (03:25):
It was about a ten year long project, so we
were active in the local scene and like a run
the Cleveland area. And when John set up the his
headliner for his release show shortly after that, like everything
kind of went to shit, and me and John Staton,
you know, in contact, and I talked to him off
(03:46):
and he even considered quitting. Well, I love music so much,
like and I love people who love music.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
So I told him, no.
Speaker 5 (03:54):
You're not quitting. And so I'm like, we're gonna, We're
gonna revive this. And basically Dvins didn't have any like
solid recording tracks besides one song that was produced.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
They just had ideas.
Speaker 5 (04:09):
So me and John sat down together and I'm like,
how does this song go? And He's like, da da
da da done done done done, done done. And I'm like,
all right, all right, cool, you got it. And then
I put that on the guitar, put it through the doll,
and then we reimagine all the tracks and then everything
is basically history.
Speaker 6 (04:26):
It's kind of like the lead riff in Lifeline.
Speaker 4 (04:28):
I wrote that with my mouth.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Yeah, I was gonna say, how many notes or audio
notes do you guys have? I'm just like, okay, song idea, five, done, done,
done it.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
Just I have so many.
Speaker 5 (04:41):
You'd be so surprised. You'd be so surprised how many
things we got pinned in our chat.
Speaker 4 (04:45):
Oh yeah, and then even like one line lyrics, just
we could write a song like that.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
I have if I go through my notes, I have
stuff from like twenty seventeen, still I think, and I'm like,
it just says like title and it's like the dumbest
thing I've ever thought of. I'm like, why did I
save this and the lead?
Speaker 3 (05:05):
You know, just whatever?
Speaker 2 (05:06):
So you guys released Nepe back in August. What was
the inspiration behind it? Are there any specific themes, stories
or anything like that? How did this EP come to be?
Speaker 4 (05:15):
I feel like.
Speaker 5 (05:16):
That Incinerate was like the seed for the vision of Deviants.
I think that like a lot of the stuff that
we created from that was had a starting point from
at least even like all the prior members. So after
we've experienced or experimented with writing new material, like you
(05:41):
can tell like the gap between the vision. So I know,
none of that stuff's out yet and it's not really important, but.
Speaker 6 (05:51):
Yeah, with with Incinerate, it was all just kind of
songs that when I was in my teens, I was like, Yo,
here's a cool little chorus melody because I like listening
to metal, and the amount of times that it changed,
Like I actually have a video of me doing an
entire concept for our song burn in my bedroom in
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twenty seventeen, and it's extremely cringey and.
Speaker 4 (06:16):
Terrible, but gotta start somewhere.
Speaker 6 (06:20):
Maybe one day it will be released to the world
to laugh at me for But it's cool to see
like little ideas from the initial vision of what there
was for Devians, seeing the progression and how far those
ideas have come to actually be something.
Speaker 4 (06:42):
So a lot of them are just like on the
spot like inspiration.
Speaker 5 (06:45):
There's not really like I don't think there's exactly like
a core inspiration that drives a lot of them. And
maybe it's it's good that way, so like they can
be extremely relatable and we want anybody that listens to
our music to just be able to be like, oh,
this song means this to me, and I feel like
that's that's pretty cool.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
So how about a favorite song that each of you
have on this EP and why.
Speaker 4 (07:09):
We both know already go ahead, Mine's Pain for sure.
Speaker 7 (07:15):
I love Pain.
Speaker 6 (07:16):
I love the little eight bit that's at the beginning
of it. The chorus to me is the catchiest. It
has a really deep meaning and I think it's probably
lyrically the best song on the album. And it's also
really highly relatable because of the issues that it touches
on for mental health.
Speaker 5 (07:37):
Yeah, that's big mine definitely is Gravity, and not I.
Speaker 4 (07:44):
Don't think it's because it's the best song on the EP.
Speaker 5 (07:47):
I think the sentimental aspect to it, to me makes
it my favorite because it was technically the first thing
creatively I brought to Deviants as a guitar aspect, because
as it started off as.
Speaker 4 (08:01):
Just like an idea in John's head lyrically and.
Speaker 5 (08:07):
With not to call anybody out or anything, but it
kind of got turned down a lot by previous members
and I'm like, well, I want to see what happens
to it, and it growed into something really special.
Speaker 4 (08:17):
It grew into something really special.
Speaker 5 (08:19):
And I feel like because I was able to take
my style and bring it closer to Devian's for like
the first time and actually make the idea come to
life and it still be, I think, a really good song.
I feel like that's kind of really cool. I can
connect with that.
Speaker 6 (08:36):
I think that Gravity is actually like the closest song
off that EP to the kind of stuff that we
do now. Because Dave did have such a heavy influence
on how riffs should go. The second breakdown in the
song wasn't there before Dave and I had a manic
episode one day here and we were.
Speaker 4 (08:55):
Just like, oh, what if we do better? Just a
bunch of noises, Just a bunch of noises. That's cool.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
And I think we also talked before this, you guys
have shifted from like outsourcing your stuff to studios to
kind of self producing.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
Why why go down that route?
Speaker 2 (09:13):
You know what's been I don't want to say the
reception because it's all you guys, but what's been the
overall thought behind it.
Speaker 6 (09:21):
It's a massive money saver, and you can also on
top of that, you can also take the time that like,
there's less revisions at that point that you have to
work with the outsourced studio or producer, because when when
(09:45):
you're sending or when you're receiving mixes from your producer,
it's constant, Oh the drums are too loud, Oh the
vocals are screaming. We got to bring that down. And
it's just taking another perspective from somebody who isn't in
the band on a final product for the band and
(10:06):
where that can be good at times, keeping it all
in house as long as it's done properly. To me,
I think that's the best option possible because we can
all one sit down and be like, this is what
I want.
Speaker 4 (10:20):
How do we do it?
Speaker 6 (10:22):
We figure out how to do it, and then we
can take full pride in that.
Speaker 4 (10:27):
There's also a lot of like other things. Oh, kitty cat,
I have three.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
Sometimes there's gonna be a little special guest.
Speaker 5 (10:34):
That's okay, you might see one of mine a little.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
This is Max from.
Speaker 5 (10:41):
Like my perspective. I'm thirty one years old. I've been
playing guitarist since I was eight years old, like I've
always been even since I was young, like driven to
play music. And so I found myself, like I guess
more or less, meeting the right people within my area
that helped really educate and shape the kind of direction.
Speaker 4 (11:05):
There's a local producer. His name is Scooter Ford. Shout out.
He's a great guy.
Speaker 5 (11:09):
And he I learned a lot from him because we'd
spend in my old band uh weeks working with him
and being able to say, if you care about it
so much, you can sit there and really analyze the
steps to it. And not only just that, but it's
been a handful of other producers that I ended up
working with as well, and it got to a point
(11:30):
where it's like, well, with this day and age, it's
so competitive out there, Like if your mix isn't bumping,
if it doesn't slam, if it's not loud, it's it's
hard to really like keep it within the ocean of music.
Speaker 4 (11:45):
And I've that's not really just my opinion. I feel
like it's several other people that I've talked to.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
It's how it is.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
Yeah, So.
Speaker 5 (11:54):
And I'm not saying, like when I say this next thing,
I'm not happy with our mixes or whatever. I just
think that we just kind of talking back to about
what John ha said is we could have more time
and we could add more stuff, and as people from
the band, we can care much more. It was quite
an investment to get to where kind of we're at
(12:14):
right now. But there is definitely a visual and audible difference,
So like just being able to apply everything and like
I'm a bit of a nerd. I overwatch YouTube and
I overlearn, so you know, having those like things contrast
and like overlap with each other kind of just made
it easier for us to make the decision to do it.
(12:38):
And I guess we're going to find out how well
it goes when we dropped the next single.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
But you know, so who takes the producer reins now
is it everybody? Is it kind of one guy? Okay,
he's appointing to you, okay.
Speaker 5 (12:55):
More like and like engineer you know, like yes, I
mean I I do you produce like a lot of
the guitar stuff. But at the same time, like that's
there's just a gray area when it comes to like engineers, producers,
mixing engineers, mastering engineers. It's just like when you put
those things in, it feels like it's excluding other parts
(13:16):
to the process. And I love that everybody in the
band wants, you know, to be a part of it.
So like I'm okay with taking that role of being
the engineer producer aspect.
Speaker 6 (13:27):
A big thing that I plan on moving into in
the future is recording my own vocal takes at home
and editing my own vocals to where it takes a
little bit of that uh weight off of his shoulders so.
Speaker 4 (13:40):
He doesn't have to do everything.
Speaker 5 (13:43):
It's a lot that my mix right now is there's
so many tracks, so many tracks. I have two plugins
that are on the like you when you click analog
on a plug in and then you everything else is
just straight you know, digital.
Speaker 4 (13:59):
There's like this weird static.
Speaker 5 (14:00):
It always happens, and then you got to dig through
two hundred tracks find out excuse me, sorry, where in
the head is this compressor?
Speaker 2 (14:08):
So how many songs have you self produced so far?
For Devians, I'd say one and a half one and
a half. Yeah, So wait until you start doing like five, yes,
oh yeah, every single one. You'll be like, man, I
definitely should have done this.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
I am dummy. I can't believe it.
Speaker 4 (14:24):
Just it's and that's but I hear it, I hear
about it, and I'm like, oh no.
Speaker 6 (14:29):
That's the other beautiful thing about going into self producing
is the fact that there's always even more that you
can learn from because you will listen back as you
keep going forward, and you'll be like, oh, this.
Speaker 4 (14:43):
Song sounds really good, best one we've done.
Speaker 6 (14:45):
You released the next song, this is the best one
that we've done, and then you look back and you're like, I.
Speaker 4 (14:50):
Should have done this.
Speaker 5 (14:51):
Differently, I'm on mixed like a hundred with our new
song like to Be, and I'm not even playing like it's.
Speaker 4 (14:58):
It's got to a point where it's like, all right,
this isn't what I want.
Speaker 5 (15:01):
I'm just gonna redo the whole thing, and then it's like, Okay,
I forgot it entirely, most important step that I need
to do, so I got to restart all over.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
But like, that's the thing is I've done it too.
Speaker 4 (15:11):
That's the thing is like it's gonna be like that.
Speaker 5 (15:13):
We even with our like our videos and stuff like that,
I've learned to like video edit, like as we were
video editing the music videos. So it's just like, well,
we gotta work with what we have, and if we
only have so much funds, then we got to at
least try to.
Speaker 4 (15:30):
Sculpt the vision with what material we can do.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
So here's the thing with self producing. The first thing
you said was it's a money saver, boy is it?
Because you know, there's there's a lot of people who
might listen and watch this that are in bands, that
have been in bands for a long time, or it
might just be general music lovers. If they don't know
the expense costs for a good producer, it will overwhelm
(15:58):
you because it's not the same price it was back
in twenty twenty, let alone, twenty seventeen, let alone, as
you keep going down now, yeah, things have gone up
in general, but this is a main reason why you
see a lot of bands self producers everything like that
kind of do everything on their own is because of
(16:19):
the money thing. Then, as you mentioned, like we keep
trying to do better, do better, do better. We're on
this thing called submit Hub. We've both ran into each
other there.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
Yeah. Boy, are these playlist editors picky.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
Because they need a very specific type of recording to
be in their Spotify playlist. And if you don't meet
the cut, even though you paid money to do it,
see you, it's so nitpicky now. But man, it is cutthroat.
And if my cat does not calm down, I'm trying
so hard.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
It's just so bunny.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
Anyways, it's actually Max's podcast here.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
Sorry guys, we're just part of it. So.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
Yes, that's another thing too, is it's a big learning experience.
You've learned how to video edit. Do you think you've
had any thought to do that five years ago?
Speaker 3 (17:07):
Six years ago? No? Same thing with producing.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
I mean, yes, it's tedious and oh my god, I
gotta do everything again and on my computer crash and
it is so much to it, man, Yeah, yeah, and
I gotta go to work it too.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
It's just like that.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
But when you're gonna look back and you're gonna go.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
Wow, I'm so glad I did that.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
Yeah, and then maybe maybe you kick it up fifteen
thousand notches and you get super serious about it. Now
people are coming to you like, man, I love your mixes.
Let me let me pay you to do it for me.
And you're like, no, yeah, that.
Speaker 4 (17:41):
Is only just a part of the goal.
Speaker 5 (17:42):
But honestly, I feel like, you know, I would welcome it, honestly.
I mean, when I was younger, I used a program
called Tux Guitar.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
I don't know if I still I still have that,
do you?
Speaker 4 (17:53):
Yes, yes, I'm not alone.
Speaker 5 (17:55):
So, like there's mixing involved with that program, you know,
like especially if you use orchestra moments and stuff like that.
Speaker 4 (18:01):
And I was really big into orchestra, like metal core.
Speaker 5 (18:03):
You know, so I had Violin's keys, you name it.
But there's like a little bit of mixing obviously, just
volume faders and stuff. But and it's like that's just
like was even just a little bit of a seed
of interest. Is be like, Okay, maybe maybe it's possible
because I do have also a picky taste in music,
So I mean, who knows, you know.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
I finally pulled the trigger and bought guitar Pro. I
don't remember who else talking to some band at some
point and they're like, bro.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
You got you gotta get guitar Pro. It's so helpful.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
I'm like, you're probably right, I just don't want to
pay for it. And I finally did pretty good, but
I also haven't dove into it just yet. Not enough time.
Speaker 7 (18:39):
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to the Kevin Powell podcast. Our new single, Loser is
out now and you can listen to it whenever. You
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listen to the podcast first.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
Right now, I'm talking to a band out of the Cleveland,
Ohio area called Devians, and these guys have a lot
going on. They just did an EP in what August, right,
YEP August ninth, and you're working on another single and
I just heard a single and a half, So we're
getting there.
Speaker 5 (19:07):
We've got to the end for plenty Yeah, well that
would definitely be another probably even longer.
Speaker 4 (19:13):
EP release for probably full length.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
So I was going to kind of ask about that.
Getting toward the end of twenty twenty four, what do
you have coming up for twenty twenty five? What have
you guys discussed? What's what's in the process here?
Speaker 4 (19:25):
See, now we're in risky territory.
Speaker 5 (19:27):
Well, we do know that we have a I guess
you could consider it a marketing campaign coming up for
our new newest song, and it's about zombies and people
love zombies. Zombies are metal. But we also have like,
I mean, just like several other just like imagined songs.
(19:48):
So it's like, it's so hard to say because once
I feel confident enough to a point to where I
got our mixes to where I feel like we could
push them out because I'm not even gonna send them
to the guys until I send them to my other
producer for my other band, and he's gonna be like, yo, dummy, Yeah,
just in.
Speaker 4 (20:08):
Case, because I can't hear everything. Man, I'm not perfect.
I shot guns as a kid.
Speaker 5 (20:15):
But yeah, I feel like we're just honestly, we're gonna overhaul,
Like once this one single gets taken care of, we
already shot the music video.
Speaker 4 (20:26):
We're gonna put throw that in the editor.
Speaker 5 (20:28):
When I used to edit the other videos, I was
using a Dell and for anybody who's a new musician.
Don't use Dell's to do anything because unless they're really
high tier stuff, because I could not get anything done.
I would be editing by the millisecond because that's all
my computer could render, and it's that's not fun at all.
Speaker 4 (20:47):
So how long did it?
Speaker 6 (20:48):
I think it took us like two months to actually
get Lifeline somewhat watchable, and I worked twelve.
Speaker 5 (20:56):
Hours shifts, man like I got like five hours of daylight,
you know.
Speaker 4 (21:00):
To myself. So but I feel like that's really where
we're at.
Speaker 5 (21:05):
We're just gonna we're gonna try to fucking just We're
gonna try to kill it as much as we can
and get as many songs done as we can, and
then I guess paint the vision.
Speaker 4 (21:15):
We kind of have somewhat of an idea of a
concept we're gonna go with, but.
Speaker 6 (21:19):
We also want to hit some some venues, Yeah, play
some shows.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
What ultimate goals do you have for twenty twenty five.
Speaker 5 (21:28):
When it came to Incinerate? Obviously, balancing band life is tough,
Like not everybody has million dollars to put into a project.
I think I really want to jump on the opportunity
in heavily investing and really pushing the newer stuff and
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really getting it throughout the internet.
Speaker 4 (21:57):
I can't remember what band did it. It was an interview.
Speaker 5 (21:59):
They said that they tried their best to kind of
get well known in their local community, but they would
obviously market and advertise, and eventually they became more popular
in like New York and like all these other places,
and then it came back around and then the local
scene was basically hopping for them, you know. So, like,
I really want to create a demand for Devians, and
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I think we'll probably have a more established brand by
the end of twenty twenty five with including like a
handful of singles, if not a full length.
Speaker 6 (22:31):
We're hoping for a full length. We have a really
cool concept for it. It'll be kind of like a
concept album to where not necessarily all of the songs
are going to be connected into one big story, but
it would be different variations of the story. And I
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can't really say too terribly much more on that.
Speaker 5 (22:56):
It sucks because we have so many ideas and then
like when you're swimming in a nocean of bands, man
like and not having enough, I guess following it's like
these ideas seem to fizzle, and you know, I really
want to make sure we capitalize on financing and and
do what we can, maybe even turn Deviants into an LLC.
(23:16):
I don't know, just like getting definitely a lot more professional,
even though I don't say we're not professional or anything,
but you know, I would.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
Certainly there's certainly a look that bands have that definitely
are like, whoa, these guys do business. Not saying you
guys don't, but like, you know, that feeling of like
oh shit, yeah, yeah for sure.
Speaker 5 (23:38):
And we even got little tiny aspects about it, like
we all have red instruments.
Speaker 4 (23:42):
We didn't do that on purpose.
Speaker 5 (23:44):
We just all happened to have red instruments, you know,
and Deviance kind of gives off a red feel I
feel like in my brain.
Speaker 4 (23:49):
Maybe that's just my brain. I always thought it was blue.
But okayad same thing.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
So what final words would you like to say to fans,
whether they've been there since day one, maybe you just
got some new fans, anything at all.
Speaker 6 (24:07):
Well, we love and appreciate every single person that wants
to take the time and give us a listen, give
us a view, check us out if you like the music,
just share it, share it with your friends, listen to it,
throw it on a repeat at work for eight hours
when you're pissed off. We just and keep a lookout
(24:33):
for announcements on us because we most definitely have a
single that I'm going to confidently say is going to
be out within the first quarter of twenty twenty five.
Speaker 5 (24:43):
I genuinely feel like the newest single is like going
from base Say in Form to ss Super Saying God.
It is quite the difference in like maturity.
Speaker 6 (24:57):
I feel the lyrist on this next song is hands
down the best lyricism that we have.
Speaker 5 (25:08):
It sucks because we can't share, and it's just like
and I'm like, it sucks.
Speaker 4 (25:14):
I just I wanted to be out to the world.
Speaker 6 (25:16):
That's why I like I've been kicking him in the
ass being like, where's my fucking mix?
Speaker 5 (25:23):
Just as he came over today, my computers like just
started like freaking out and like I'm like, no way,
no way, because it's like an eighteen hundred computer, dude,
It's there's no there was something with the update. I
updated it and changed the buffering size and it was fine,
but I was freaking out for no reason.
Speaker 4 (25:40):
Oh it's always something.
Speaker 5 (25:41):
It's always something that's for new musicians.
Speaker 4 (25:45):
It's always something. It's always something I feel like that's
great advice.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
Yes, I have a list of something at any given time.
Speaker 6 (25:55):
Ye.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
Yes, Well, gentlemen, I do appreciate a little bit of
your time today. I'm gonna be talking to you here
a little bit off air.
Speaker 5 (26:01):
Okay, okay, awesome, awesome, thanks for having us me, Yes,
thank you.
Speaker 3 (26:05):
Yep. All right.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
So that's the band Deviance. They're based out of the Cleveland,
Ohio area. They just put out an EP around August time,
and they're already working on newer music.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
These guys.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
You know, if you're following like the Sonic Temple or
the Incarceration or the DWP pages, you've probably seen them
a comment in there a few times, and hey, if
it works, it works. So I do wish them the
best of luck with that. Hope you guys enjoyed this
episode of the podcast. Make sure you check out Deviance.
We'll see you guys next time.
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