4-22-25 - 7am - Past Presidents vs Trump on Removal

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Mike.

Speaker 2 (00:00):
My cat's name is mel and he is a rescued
from US former CSU research project.

Speaker 3 (00:08):
He's a free.

Speaker 1 (00:09):
Cat, free cats.

Speaker 4 (00:11):
Anyway, we are medicating his fired problem, so yeah, eventually
he won't be quite so freakishly hungry.

Speaker 3 (00:20):
Maybe that maybe I have a thyroid problem, because all
I want to do is just eat and sleep.

Speaker 2 (00:26):
That's a life right there.

Speaker 3 (00:30):
If I could just be one of my dogs. If
reincarnation is a thing, I want to come back as
one of Michael Brown's dogs.

Speaker 2 (00:36):
Yeah, but then your dad's always going to make you
come inside when it's nice and cozy and cool outside.

Speaker 3 (00:41):
No, I let him stay out until they're just like I.
But I can no longer see their eyes. They have
to come in for a while.

Speaker 2 (00:52):
Yeah, and that's when they're living their best life. Dad's
going to make me come inside now.

Speaker 3 (01:00):
I changed my morning routine also, just to give myself
more time in the mornings, and they're not adjusting to
it very well. We're gonna have a talk this afternoon,
so while we're out walking, I'm gonna have to have
a conversation with the girls about.

Speaker 2 (01:19):
Oh, just like everybody listening to this show, they're not
really gonna listen or paper.

Speaker 3 (01:23):
I know it's just like but it gives me a
feeling of superiority.

Speaker 1 (01:27):
It gives me a feeling that I'm in command. It
gives me a feeling that I am the talent.

Speaker 3 (01:32):
You know that I am. But I know it's all
just a ruse.

Speaker 4 (01:36):
So go on.

Speaker 3 (01:39):
So we've talked about in the last hour. By the way,
today's Earth Day. We're gonna talk about Earth Day because
I am. Oh, I'm so excited about the fact that
it's Earth Day today. So we're gonna talk about that.
Today we're gonna talk about the price of gold and
how the the dollar, being the world reserve currency, is

(02:02):
probably on this last I mean, we're getting ready to
live through some really fascinating times. Gold closed yesterday above
thirty four hundred dollars an ounce. I'm looking at my
little gold holdings and thinking, damn, wow, we come a
long ways. Baby, We're gonna so we're gonna talk about
all that. So last hour we talked about the five

(02:24):
methods of removal for illegal aliens under the Immigration and
Naturalization Act, all in the context of a mean that
claims that, oh, why is Trump getting attacked so much? Well,
Trump's getting attacked so much because he is trying to overcome.

Speaker 1 (02:45):
It is.

Speaker 3 (02:48):
And somebody in the text line, let me address this
because it helps put it in context. There is Uh
forty seven, wrote Michael, you seem to miss the important
lie in the mean you started with this morning. It

(03:09):
leaves the impression those other presidents did a good job
on the border. Not true. The country was flooded under
all of them. According to the BP I guess border patrol.
At least we are trying to enforce immigration law now,
but the nation mostly seems against it. I almost one

(03:32):
hundred percent disagree with your text message.

Speaker 1 (03:34):
And here's why.

Speaker 3 (03:39):
I don't think that the purpose of the mean was
to leave the impression that those presidents did a good job.
I think the overarching purpose of the mean was that
they're going after Donald Trump and trying to prevent him
from doing what those other presidents were doing. Because when

(04:01):
you get to the end of it, that's really the point.
And Uh, the country was flooded with illegal aliens among
all presidents and has been for decades. But don't miss

(04:24):
the key factor about Biden. If you go back to Bush, Bush, Obama, Clinton,
the generally accepted number of illegal aliens in this country
was something like, you know, anywhere from eight to twelve
It is a wide range because nobody really knows, but

(04:45):
eight to twelve million. Biden comes along, and that number
just skyrockets like since its Earthday, like Al Gore's hockey stick,
just straight up. And now I believe we're way north
of twenty million illegal aliens in this country. We may
be approaching that ten percent of this country's population could

(05:09):
be illegal aliens. That in that short four year period
is almost double what was we had during the previous
what sixteen eight, eighteen years, almost twenty four years, and

(05:29):
it was on purpose, absolutely unequivocally on purpose. So here's
some here's some key context. Since the mean focused on Obama,
let me give you some context from the Obama administration.
I'm not trying to justify it. I'm just trying to
give you some context. These are just facts. The Obama administration,

(05:56):
as I started to say in the last hour, deported
about two and a half million people between two thousand
and nine and twenty sixteen. Now that figure of two
and a half million includes both formal removals and returns
where they got due process. It's just that there was

(06:18):
not an attempt by Obama to make a big deal
out of it. In fact, Obama kind of wanted to
keep it quiet. Trump, on the other hand, wants to
make a PFD about it. That's why the progressives in
the Democratic the hardcore progresses even worse than Obama called

(06:41):
him the deporter in Chief. Then he had things like
the Priority Enforcement Program, the PEP.

Speaker 1 (06:52):
He also had.

Speaker 3 (06:53):
Something called, earlier in his administration, the Secure Communities Policy.
Guess what those two things did. They focused on deporting
individuals with criminal convictions or recent border crossers, and often
prioritized expedited processes over full hearings. So again, remember I

(07:20):
think at one point yesterday I said, I'm sure I
could find something in the Obama administration that I agreed with.
Here's something that I would agree with, the Priority Enforcement
Program going after those with criminal convictions and also trying
to focus on the expedited removals, which would be the

(07:43):
recent border crossings. That was his Secure Communities program. Now,
don't forget, don't get me wrong. At the same time
that Obama is trying to send people out of the country,
he's also bringing him in. That it wasn't to the
extent that Biden did, and also with his Priority Enforcement

(08:07):
program and his Secure Communities program. He didn't make a
big deal out of it. He was simply trying to
modify the few moderates that still existed. People like Nancy
Don't don't choke when I say this, But people like

(08:28):
Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi who during the Obama administration,
we're talking about we do need to start removing these
We need to stop the flow of illegal aliens. They
they were saying that for decades until what until Donald

(08:48):
Trump comes along. Now we've reached the point, just to
skip ahead for a second, we've now reached the point
where a majority of Americans, almost three fourths of Americains
approve and agree with what Donald Trump is doing. But

(09:08):
Donald Trump is now faced with He's accomplished something that
is now costing him. What he's accomplished is he has
essentially virtually secured the border, where the number of illegal
crossings has dropped precipitously dramatically, so that now in terms

(09:33):
of expedited removals, those who are within fourteen days is
still within one hundred miles.

Speaker 1 (09:40):
Of the border.

Speaker 3 (09:41):
That's not getting much attention because it doesn't require due process,
it doesn't require anything other than the CBP and ICE
just swirling them around and marching them right back across
the border. So the cabal's not going to pay any
attention to that because they don't care.

Speaker 1 (10:01):
But when he goes after.

Speaker 3 (10:04):
When he invokes, so that's an accomplishment for Trump, a
huge accomplishment, which means that the inflow of illegal aliens
has been dramatically reduced. So now the focus becomes on
getting rid of those that you cannot use expedited proceedings
because they're more than one hundred miles past the border

(10:26):
and they've been here long lot longer than fourteen days.
So now he's trying to figure out, Okay, well, then
how do I expedite and I'm using that word loosely now,
or how do I facilitate is a better word. How
do I facilitate the removal of as many as I can? Well,
let's start with those members of gangs TDA and MS thirteen.

(10:51):
So he invokes the Alien Enemies Act. So because he
wants to bypass all the due process requirement that are
required under the standard expedite or the standard removal process,
so let's designate the gangs as foreign terrorist organizations, invoke

(11:11):
the Alien Enemies Act. That eliminates the requirement for due process,
and I can take them across. That's what's being challenged,
And I understand why they're challenging that because it's a
novel approach. It's something that no other president has tried
to do. So of course the ACLU and of course

(11:34):
the NNGOS and of course all the advocates for illegal
aliens are going to come out and claim that, oh
my god, we got to do process for these gang members,
and that's what the court will eventually have to fight.
But go back to Obama for a moment. There was
a two thousand and four I found a twoy fourteen

(11:55):
report by the American Immigration Council that said that the
expedited at the expedited removal meaning within one hundred miles
and fourteen days and the reinstatement processes accounted for a
significant portion of the deportations under Obama forty three percent

(12:18):
of removals in twenty thirteen bypassed immigration judges. Why because
while he was still letting them in, he was telling
CBP or actually, well no, it's still be CBP and ICE.
Under Obama, he was telling them, yes, you can enforce

(12:39):
the law. Enforce the law for the ones that you
can capture. Now, there's not enough personnel, there's not enough
men and women in those law enforcement agencies to capture everybody.
So Obama had it, which is brilliant on his part.
It was a win win for him because while he

(13:01):
could let millions of people come in, he could simultaneously claim,
but I'm expediting.

Speaker 1 (13:08):
The removal of others.

Speaker 3 (13:10):
So from a political point of view, he was brilliant
in that regard. But to go back to those forty
three percent removals back in twenty thirteen that bypassed judges,
those in standard proceedings still had access to hearings. It's

(13:30):
just that the cabal didn't focus on those because they
were upset with Obama by doing the expedited hearings. Do
you see the game that I mean we were being
played the entire time. Trump comes along, doesn't give a
rat's ass and says, I'm just gonna start moving them

(13:52):
all out. So he's eliminated, essentially eliminated the need for
expedited removals. Why because not that many are coming across,
and he's empowered the military, CBP, and ICE and state
law enforcement to.

Speaker 1 (14:09):
Do the expedited removals.

Speaker 3 (14:11):
So those that are making across the border are being
turned around and sent right back. Well, nobody's covering that.
The cabal doesn't want you to know that. What's the
cabal covering, Oh, the people that are not getting their
so called due process because he's invoked the Alien Enemies Act.
And that's the issue that we're fighting now.

Speaker 1 (14:33):
Now.

Speaker 3 (14:33):
There are critics going back to Obama, there are critics
that argued that the expedited removal and the reinstatement processes
lack due process. They made the same argument then, but
you didn't hear about it. Why because the cabal didn't
want to attack Obama. Courts have upheld expedited removal as constitutional.

(14:59):
But there there are a couple of cases. The Venus
versus Davis, that's a two thousand and one case that
goes all the way back to Bush, actually occur started
before Bush, and there are other rulings that emphasize that
due process applies to illegal aliens in the United States,
particularly those which is what I was trying to point
out yesterday and again today that have a longer term presence,

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or they might have some sort of legal claim, whatever
that might be, and immigrants in those proceedings are entitled
to robust due process protections. But the backlogs in the
immigration courts, which grew tremendously during the Obama administration, often
delayed the hearings, sometimes for years. There are people in

(15:48):
this country who are subject to a removal process that
had been waiting on a hearing for a decade, for
a decade. So, yes, there were a lot of illegal
aliens that were deported under the Obama administration. They were
granted to due process and hearings before an immigration judge

(16:09):
if they were subject to the standard removal proceeding, but
others were subject to the expedited removal or reinstatement of removal.
Means they'd already been told once, so they're going to
get kicked out again. That did not require any due process.
Do you want some exact numbers? Do you want to

(16:30):
go Do you want to dive into the numbers.

Speaker 1 (16:34):
I'll give you.

Speaker 3 (16:34):
Some some fascinating numbers that you can compare and contrast
with what Trump's trying to do. And don't forget, do
never forget. Of course, the cabal's going to go after Trump.

Speaker 4 (16:47):
Mike, some days it's just easier to leave a text
message so you don't hear my two kids fighting in
the background before we leave to walk to school every morning.
And also I have a cat. He's like having a
third kid some days. Also, Mike, you have girl dad
up in Alaska or wherever he lives. You have me
boy mom who lives out here in Littleton. Listening, I think.

Speaker 3 (17:12):
We got we except on the those were two separate, correct, Yeah,
on the first one. I want to hear the kids
griping about and yelling and screaming everything about going to fight.

Speaker 1 (17:24):
We need to fight.

Speaker 2 (17:25):
There are two boys, they are fighting.

Speaker 1 (17:27):
They're fighting.

Speaker 3 (17:28):
Yeah, the testosterone is they're just boom. They're going after
each other. And Mom's trying to crawl them and get
them ready to.

Speaker 2 (17:36):
Grab one by the scruff, grab the other by the scrauff,
hold them at arm distance.

Speaker 3 (17:39):
Do you think she puts a dog collar on both
of them and walks them to school like you know,
and one of those leashes that you know expands and
contracts and they head out towards the street and she
locked it up and pulls them back away from the curb.

Speaker 2 (17:51):
The daughter in law has done that with my grandson Lance.

Speaker 3 (17:56):
Oh, they have one of those things, but it's like
a harness.

Speaker 1 (17:59):
It's a yeah.

Speaker 2 (18:01):
And he loves wearing the backpack, but when she puts
the little leash on.

Speaker 1 (18:04):
It, he gets pissed. He's like, no, it's great.

Speaker 3 (18:09):
Because he knows his movement's going to be limited. Ye,
he's no dummy. He's a red beard, which makes him
an exception.

Speaker 2 (18:18):
And yeah, exactly. And we did get her a little
plaque to put.

Speaker 3 (18:21):
On the wall.

Speaker 2 (18:22):
You know, boy mom, much easier than girls, but harder
to keep alive. Less drama than girls, harder to keep alive. Yeah,
that's the boy mom.

Speaker 1 (18:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (18:34):
I had talked to my daughter for like an hour yesterday.
It's just you know about it's just such a wide
range of topics. It's always fascinating the daughters, my son
and I are conversation usually you know.

Speaker 1 (18:48):
Mm hmm whenever, okay, uh huh.

Speaker 2 (18:53):
It's a ten minute phone call, and you know, all
it is is just mm yeah.

Speaker 1 (18:58):
That's exactly right.

Speaker 3 (19:00):
I mean I sat in the parking lot in front
of Trader Joe's for it. How long did we I'm
really curious, now, how long did we talk yesterday? Because
we talked about a whole rate because because one thing,
they're getting ready to travel overseas, and uh, granddad is
the executor of the estate, taking care of the trust
and everything for the granddaughter. So it was all things

(19:23):
about you know, now, Dad, you know we trust you
to do this, and that you know, you know her
lifestyle and everything, and we you know, blah blah blah,
and I and I just I'm just letting her go
on and on and on because you're if if the
in the worst case scenario, you guys are dead and
now and now that obligation has fallen on me, and

(19:46):
you've trusted me to make the decisions as a fiduciary
and as a grandfather, which is sometimes in conflict. What's
the best thing for the granddaughter? Well, well she might
need a fraar e when she turned sixteen.

Speaker 2 (20:03):
I don't know everything she wishes could be, you know.

Speaker 3 (20:07):
So it was just funny to listen to her about
that stuff. How long did we talk yesterday? Recents recents yesterday?
One hour and four minutes. Yeah, if I find the
last conversation with my son, let's see when was the
last conversation. Hang hang on, well here it was Sunday. Uh,

(20:31):
fourteen seconds.

Speaker 2 (20:33):
Yes, fourteen seconds, happy Easter sun right.

Speaker 1 (20:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (20:37):
No, Actually that call was to tell me because tam
Ryrn's two separate cars yesterday and he had to call
me to tell me that his mom had left her
phone at the house. So I was turning around to
go back to get her phone, and then he called
me back to tell me, oh, mom realized he came
back to get the phones.

Speaker 1 (20:55):
Then I had to turn around again to go back.

Speaker 3 (20:59):
Life is difficult, first world problems. Uh, let's see. I
want to give you some few numbers because I want
you to there is no question in my mind whatsoever
that Trump is doing. He's doing several things. He's doing

(21:23):
exactly what he said he would do during the campaign.
He is engaging in now I think they could be
doing more, but that's just me. But he is engaging
in a mass deportation of illegal aliens, and he's doing it,
I think in a logical, rational way to go after

(21:44):
the gang bangers first and hopefully between getting them out
and then getting to the next let's say, uh, lesser group.
I don't mean number wise but I mean in terms
of of criminality, the lesser group of illegal aliens that

(22:06):
during that time there may be you know, some court
decisions that will free him up, maybe restrain him.

Speaker 1 (22:12):
Who knows what.

Speaker 3 (22:13):
The Supreme courtal thought decide, but I think it's a
logical way to approach it. But every single move that
he is taken is being challenged, and I don't mean
just about immigration, those funding of state and localities, funding

(22:36):
of universities, research grants.

Speaker 1 (22:40):
Every single thing he's doing is being challenged.

Speaker 3 (22:44):
And that's because all of these institutions that he is
trying to reform, remake, or dispose of all have interests
and constituents who don't want any change. That's in conflict

(23:08):
with the seventy five million people plus that voted for
the change. And so there's a natural conflict, and this
conflict is ending up in the courts.

Speaker 1 (23:22):
Now.

Speaker 3 (23:22):
I hope eventually the conflict spills over into the elections. Now,
to me, that's scary because one, we need to clean
up our election systems. Two in states like Colorado, which
are decidedly read. As I've said before, I think most

(23:44):
Republicans running in the twenty twenty six races are going
to be and don't shoot the messenger. I'm just telling
you what I sincerely believe are going to be sacrificial lambs.
They and they are going to be just pounded. Is

(24:04):
there hope, There's always hope, There's always silver lining somewhere.
But I just don't think it's going to take a
while to undo what Colorado has done over the past
twenty years. So it's gonna take at least twenty years
to undo it, if not longer. Now, think about what
the Democrats have been doing since Woodrow Wilson. I mean,

(24:26):
we're going we're going back to the nineteen hundreds. We're
in the year twenty twenty five. It's gonna take a while.
It's gonna take someone as radical and as and as
obnoxious as Donald Trump to make any sort of headway whatsoever.
But let's do some compare and contrast, because I think,

(24:49):
going back to the whole thing about Obama, the total
removals under Obama, as I said earlier, between two thousand
and nine and two thousand sixteen, was approximately two and
a half to three point two million removals.

Speaker 1 (25:05):
Those were the formal.

Speaker 3 (25:06):
Deportations and returns. Now there were a lot of non
judicial removals. In twenty fourteen, you can find this online.
The American Civil Liberties Union, supported by this Migration Policy Institute,
estimated that seventy five percent of the removals under the

(25:31):
Obama administration were non judicial, meaning they bypassed all immigration
court hearings, did not involve either an administrative law judge
or an immigration judge. But those were primarily expedited removals,
remember within one hundred miles of the border, less than

(25:53):
fourteen days in the country, and they were reinstatement of removals,
meaning they were people that had from previous cases, even
from previous presidents, had received an order of removal, but
they had ignored the.

Speaker 1 (26:10):
Order of removal.

Speaker 3 (26:11):
So they then are then subject to the reinstatement of
the removal process, which is a form of an expedited process,
no due process, because you've already gotten the removal order
for some other reason. Seventy of them were that, and

(26:32):
yet here we are with Trump and every single I
did a quick Google search, and the number of cases
that from all the way from Maryland down to Texas

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at the district court level in the Fifth Circuit, in
the DC Circuit in the DC Court of Appeals, even
a couple of cases pending in the US Supreme Court.
Everywhere you turned, Trump is being challenged. And why is
that Because unlike Obama, who was he was masterful in

(27:13):
this regard for all of his constituents that wanted illegal
aliens to come into this country. He could point to
those and say, I'm allowing them in. Remember Obama's focus
was on the Dreamers. Well he was at the He
would focus on the Dreamers and allow other illegal aliens

(27:35):
to continue to come in, but not in the massive
numbers that Biden was doing. At the same time that
he was doing that, he was quietly doing expedited removals
because he told CBP and ICE to go enforce the law.
So he played it both ways. So the cabal stood
back and let him do it. Now, some of us

(27:58):
party would bitch and come plane, which gave him the moniker,
the porter in chief. But they knew, they knew what
the game was being played. They were part of the game.

Speaker 1 (28:08):
Oh let's go.

Speaker 3 (28:10):
In fact, I'm sure there were conversations between some and
the cabal and Ram Emmanuel and others in the Obama
administration who said, look, we're gonna come out. We're going
to hold a press conference, and we're going to refer
to the president as the deporter in chief and we're
and we're doing that because we want to help give
you cover for the game that you're playing.

Speaker 1 (28:34):
Who's giving cover to Trump? Nobody?

Speaker 3 (28:38):
And he's not asking for any cover, He's just going
for it. Think about the exbediar removals specifically. Yeah, after
the break, Michael, this is Guber seven three and Louisville, Kentucky.

Speaker 4 (28:54):
I thought you wanted some noise. So I'm on stationary
bike in the garage watching videos of Colorado.

Speaker 1 (29:01):
Watching videos of Colorado.

Speaker 3 (29:04):
Colorado porn? Is that what you're doing? Colorado porn? I
don't know what would Colorado porn be? Red rocks, big horn,
sheep doing it?

Speaker 1 (29:15):
I don't know. Uh wolves, huh, wolves, that's right.

Speaker 3 (29:19):
Wolves attacking cattle, there you go, Wolves attacking Marlon Reese,
there you go. That would be. That would be Colorado porn?
And what police would think about that? Just wait till
some kid gets attacked by a wolf from Colorado. Let
me jump ahead real quick to something rather than rather
than some numbers to show you the extent of and

(29:40):
the effect of this lawfare against Trump trying to enforce
immigration laws. The Attorney General in Florida has just apparently
just yesterday sometime, directed law enforcement agencies in Colorado in
Florida to stop the apprehension of illegal aliens because of
a federal judge reiter rating that she had placed a

(30:01):
hold on any further arrest using a new Florida law
making it a misdemeanor for illegal aliens to enter Florida.
US District Judge Kathleen Williams said that she was astounded
that state law enforcement had continued making arrests despite her
having issued a restraining order against the state two weeks ago. Now,

(30:23):
the Planers are suing the state that this law makes
it a misdemeanor for illegal aliens to enter Florida. They
alleged that state law enforcement officials have made at least
fifteen additional arrests after Judge Williams had ordered the state
to halt the detentions. Now, currently the same judge as

(30:44):
weighing the constitutionality of Florida's new law aimed at prohibiting
illegal aliens from entering Florida. I think that raises a
fascinating constitutional issue because the Constitution really says that immigration
is a federal issue. So can Florida make it even

(31:06):
just a misdemeanor for an illegal alien to enter the
state of Florida. I think the concept, the basic concept
of federalism and supremacy would prevent Florida from doing that,
and Florida did it after the Supreme Court and a
bunch of these other federal district courts had been trying

(31:29):
to stop Trump's push to implement his mass deportation programs.
But even those that are trying to target the violent criminals,
It's worth noting that a central contention of the pro
open borders advocates and these stupid congressional Democrats has been

(31:51):
that every single case should get this whole litney of
due process and legal appeals provided to American citizens. Despite
everything I told you earlier about the Immigration and Naturalization
Act providing for expedited remove standard removal. Yes, but you
have all that, you have four other standards, four other

(32:14):
types of removal. But when you've overwhelmed the system like
Biden has and gotten them into the country, doing expedited
removal is going to be extremely difficult, if not impossible,
at least four of us trying. I'm not sure how
far they'll make it, but at least they're trying.