December 13, 2024 • 35 mins
We take a lighthearted look into the world of psychics and mediums! We'll share our experiences and stories. Whether you're a firm believer, a curious skeptic, or just in it for the fun, tune in and decide for yourself—do you believe?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I'm not sure if it's a website. This was years ago,
but it's called miss Connections. Are you familiar with misconnections?
Speaker 2 (00:06):
No?
Speaker 3 (00:07):
Okay, man, I'm trying to remember.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
Because this is when I was doing radio in Riverside
at KGGI, and one of our bits was the I E. Misconnections,
and I'm trying to I think it was a website
called mis connections or it was a site, And then
you go to the misconnections section and basically it's just
a bunch of stories that people will put if they
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had a misconnection.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
For example, there was one that said.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
I was pumping gas at on the corner of Riverside
and Rialto and there was this girl that I saw
there and we didn't talk to each other, and we
just after we pumped the gas, we both left. If
this was you, email me at and then they leave
their email.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
So that's actually not like a bad premise. Yeah, so
you can go up there and say that you saw
somebody you thought maybe you had some eye connection, and
then they could go on there and maybe find you too,
or somebody could maybe reached out and help you out
or something like that.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
Yeah, And it's a bunch of stories.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
I remember it was one of our bits on the
radio station because we would just.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Read them and then you can help people exactly.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
We would say like, call in if this.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Is you, that's actually not a bad bit, right, I
just steal that is that we got to look this
website up.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
Yeah, But misconnections. And the reason why I bring that up.
I had a misconnection just recently. This passed for my
birthday weekend. Yeah, this is a perfect example of a misconnection.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
But you but the two people have to be on
the same page, right, because what if one person thought
there was a connection and there was just like.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Nah, but no both Sometimes it's a one sided thing.
All these stories that you'll see on the website from misconnections,
it could nothing can ever come out of it because
no one could know what that was.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Is it more just for fun reading the stories?
Speaker 1 (02:03):
Yes, it was more for fundsies because there's some wild
ones on there. I wish I could think of some
I could remember some of the wild ones.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
But now, when you were doing the bit on the radio,
was it to get people to connect with that person.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
Or hopefully someone would call in and be like, well
it's me yeah, or I know who that.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
Person is or something like. It was rare.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
It was rare, but sometimes it did. It was rare,
but people called in thinking like I think that was my.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
Cousin or something.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
But okay, but you but usually, like I said, the
person posting it. It's almost like it's just a hopeful
if someone sees.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
This out there in the world.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
Yeah, but we gotta try to remember what side of
it is. But misconnections, and mine, mine is a real
misconnection where your side, I was gonna say, it could
be it could be just one sided. So I was
at the club DJ in one of my birthday parties
in town.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Wait are we doing one right now? Because if this
person is listening to the podcast WHOA and this connection?
Speaker 1 (03:06):
So I was DJ You know, I won't I won't
go to detailed on it, but I was DJing. I
caught a girl's eye, but she was with a guy,
and correct, tell me if you feel the same way.
Sometimes you could tell that two people are a couple,
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and then sometimes you could tell these people are just
on a date, right.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Or even friends. Yeah, I get that.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
I get that there's an energy where you could obviously
you could be wrong because you're just assuming. But usually
we're right you you could tell if someone's on a date,
if they're together. Well, anyways, I caught a girl's eye
and she was looking at me too. We were staring
at each other. But she was, what it seemed like
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to me, on a date. And so in my head,
I'm like, fuck, I'm not gonna talk to her because
she's on a date. But throughout her dancing near the
DJ booth, sitting near the DJ booth, I swear to you,
she was staring at We were not only.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Her, you were locking eyes.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
We were locking eyes for half the night, okay, Like
she would sneak in a look like when the guy's
not looking. She would sneak in a look. And I
was djaying, and I'm like, I'm gonna stare at you,
like until you almost uncomfortably. Yeah, But no, she kept
like looking and she can't. She didn't give like a
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creepy face, like yo, why are you staring at me?
She had like a pleasant, like nice smile face, and
through like I said, throughout the evening, she would like
always look and to see if I'm looking, And yes,
I'm looking.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
So did she ever say anything to you? Do you
ever say anything to her.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
No, because she was always with the dude.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
Now I was thinking, I need like, how do I
say something to her, just a hello, or even like
are you staring at me?
Speaker 2 (05:05):
This sort of thing, Yeah, because you don't want to
be out of pockecast date. However, if she's staring that
hard at you, I don't know, maybe this dude is
maybe just a friend, or maybe she's not feeling the
dude yet.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
There it didn't look romantic.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
They were they kissing at all, so it could have
been just, oh, that's weird to go on a date
like that.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
It felt like a date. Though it felt it felt
like a date.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Maybe she was trying to tell you, like help me.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
Someone didn't say that when she gave me the eyes
like please help me. No, it looked like they were
having a good time. But again I'm like, yo, am
I crazy?
Speaker 3 (05:42):
Are you still look like? Are you looking at me? So?
Speaker 1 (05:46):
Throughout the club, you know it, as the night goes on,
I have I'm working, so I can't focus on that.
She kind of disappears. But yeah, she disappeared like a
you know, at the end of the night, I didn't
see them anymore. And there's a piece of me that
regrets it because there's like a misconnection, because what if
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we become good friends. What if you know, I met
her and she's like super cool and the night was over.
And when I tell you, I went to every bartender,
every server, I was like, this was this was I
was giving them descriptions of what she was wearing, like
she was on this and that, and they're like, nope, nope.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Did you go look at tag photos?
Speaker 3 (06:33):
No?
Speaker 1 (06:33):
Man, it was just like it was a misconnection. So
I kind of just forget about it, go to bed.
Six am in the morning, I wake up and I
check my Instagram and I have one follow, a new follower,
and it tells you when day followed. So it said
like three hours ago, which would be like three am.
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And I her page was private, but you could still
click on the picture though profile and enlarges it. And
I enlarged it and I go, wait a minute, is.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
Is this her? I mean the timing would be right,
kind of like after the club. Maybe she followed you
three am.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
I mean yeah, because you know, throughout the night, I'm
saying my name throughout the nightclub, and I'm like and
I'm looking at the picture and obviously I was looking
at the girl just a few hours ago. So I'm like,
I think it's her. I'm not one sure, but it's short.
(07:38):
It resembles what I was looking at last night, and
so I followed back. And now I just have to
wait till they be private. Yeah, they have to refollow
me before I see the page. I actually don't get
the follow. I don't get the follow uh the fan
request till the next morning, and then I see the
(08:00):
page and no, it's.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Not this story was going somewhere, was married kids.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
The dude was not the same dude that was at
the club. I'm like, oh, this is not her. So
hence a misconnection. Misconnection.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
Did you want to follow that girl? No, I'm not
gonna you know whatever, Like you were only going to
follow her because you wanted to see if that was her,
and when it was not her like all right.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
All unfolloww but not like not. I don't want to
be all abrupt and unfollow.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
I do like that.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
Okay, so that was a misconnection. But you're right, what, man,
what if she's listening?
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Yeah, maybe she is. If you were at was a
standard on Friday, and if you were eyeing the DJ,
listen reach out to us the wild side.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
The wild part of the story is like what you said,
what if it's just one sided? And she was looking like, yo,
stop staring.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
At I'm staring at you because I'm like, you mean
mugging you like I.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
Wasn't the energy though, that was not the energy.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
This could give me fire podcast? What up? I'm gise
that is John Magic and we are back.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
I mean, we're just gonna get into it. I mean,
the title says it all. Do you believe in psychics?
And if I was gonna give you my answer, if
I it's a it's a complicated answer.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
But do I believe in psychic ability? Yes?
Speaker 1 (09:25):
Do I believe in the people that profit from being
a psychic?
Speaker 3 (09:30):
No?
Speaker 1 (09:31):
Okay, so that's my my simple, complicated answer.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
My mind's even simpler than that. No. Uh, well, do
you want to talk about like why we kind of
got into this topic or should we just kind of
start talking about No.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
I mean we could start talking about because there's there's
different We've always talked about this before. It's uh, you
know when I oh, just like you know, we're talking
about radio bits and the radio bits. One of the
radio bits we had in Riverside. When I was doing
morning radio, there was once a week to no once
every two weeks, we had a psychic on and it
(10:09):
was like entertaining. But I did notice some things that
we're gonna get into detail a little bit, but.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
We would just talk about it.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
Yeah, and then just as of late, and by the way,
my sister recently got a psychic because my dad passed
away recently. And if she's listening to this, this is nothing.
I'm not trying to be negative about it. This is
more I want to talk about my experience, and you know,
(10:40):
different people have different experiences and that's fine. And like
I said with my answer, do I believe in psychic abilities?
I do, Actually I believe in that energy.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
Yeah, I'm gonna ahead and tell that real quick, because
I do want to make that clear that we're not
here to you know, judge anybody if that's something that
you believe in. But this is just like our own
take on it from our own either experiences or just
being around it, or just how we feel about it.
So how my opinion about it shouldn't change your opinion
(11:12):
or if it does, whatever, you know what I'm saying,
that's that's that's really on you. Again, whatever people want
to believe that that makes them feel better or whatever
the case, say that, whatever the case may be. Like, hey,
I'm for that, but and the way I look at
it is just gonna be a little different.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
I mean we could just go from there about what
you said.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
If the individual that's believing in it, if they're getting
something out of it, some comfort, closure, some even some
entertainment from it, yeah, then yeah that's great. Yeah, that's great,
Like enjoy life, get as much as you can out
of the life we live.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
So I agree with you. If it's something that is
serving them, that.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
They believe in and you don't mind paying for it
or whatever, then that yeah, that's on you.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
Yeah, I mean I believe that.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
You know, I'm a firm of you control your own life.
So whatever however you want to live it and what
you believe in. It's just like religion to it's what are.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
Yeah, we're not here to change anybody. Yes, it's just
our own, our own outlook on it.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
This is more yeah, I mean it could even just
be more for entertainment, like what we experience.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
I'm sure you got some good stories over.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
There, psychics, So yeah, the The reason why I say
no on the people that profit from it is because
I've been around a few and we've seen the TV shows.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
There's a bunch of TV shows.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
I forget the guy's name, but one of the guys
actually lives in the five five nine, and he's famous.
He's the one that does the celebrity ones, young kid,
blonde hair.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
He does shows out here.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
Oh okay, so before we get into it, let me
ask you. You might know, is there a different stoke
because I know we're saying psychics, but is there a
difference to the people that can talk to the dead
compare to the people that can tell you?
Speaker 3 (13:01):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (13:01):
Yeah, that's true, Like is that even the same thing?
Are we even saying it? Right?
Speaker 3 (13:05):
Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
I don't know, yeah, because I think because there's readers, yeah,
the mind readers, Yeah, those the fortune tellers. I guess
we're kind of just like grouping it in like the
same category. So don't attack us if we're not giving
it the right terminology. Because the people that talk to dead,
are they even called psychics or they call mediums?
Speaker 3 (13:25):
Okay, well, but then I see psychic medium yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Okay, Well, so for the sake of this conversation psychics,
we'll just group up everybody under the same umbrella, but
in this particular situation, we're talking about people that can
talk to the dead.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
And you know, we've been in the entertainment industry for years, yeah,
twenty plus years that even we know the secrets of entertainment,
of editing and all this stuff. So that's why when
I see this stuff on TV, it just reminds me
of things that we do. We do on the radio
side of it, so like we know the editing powers
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that can manipulate the mind. I mean, we kind of
do it in our lives. And I'll give you an example.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
What it is.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
Basically, like I've been posting my golf videos on my Instagram,
and if you watch my golf videos, it's like ten
swings that I took that are I'm hitting the ball
far and they're all great swings. I'm not going to
post the ninety five swings that I took that went horribly.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Yeah, we live in a world where we only show
the best versions of ourselves on social media. It's kind
of like what you're saying.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
Right, So that's the TV side, But I've also been
around psychic mediums. Like I said earlier, when I was
doing the radio show in Riverside where we had a
gentleman every week or so.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
Do you remember what his name is?
Speaker 1 (14:56):
I don't want to say the name because number one.
Well also again like it's we're not it's that. Yes,
it's just what I experienced watching this.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
Okay, So I guess first of all, talk about this
bit and how it worked.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
It worked amazing because in my head it was all
for entertainment and for me, that's what these cycle mediums
are are.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
And for our particular job, that's the part we care
about what we Alrea, we care about it sounds.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
We had to do a bunch of editing because it's
so long sometimes and you know us in in terrestrial radio,
we're timed.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
But there was a bunch of entertaining moments.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
Now the part that I've I noticed me you know,
we've talked about this before. My DJ name is John Magic.
Because I was a magician in my younger days.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
They would use tactics.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
That I learned in magic tricks. You know, the magician.
The magician's rule is you're always right, You're the trick
is always gonna work, and you're always right. Even when
it doesn't work there we have ways to flip it
to make it right still. And that's kind of what
I was seeing with these mediums talking to the people
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is it was a lot of those magic trick skills
of kind of being vague about things. Also, something I
saw and heard, Like I said, we had this gentleman
once every few weeks. It was almost the same, the
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same script. He would just stick with the same script.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
So people would call in and you would connect them
with the and they would ask about like a dead
relative or something like that.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
He would even say, don't tell me who it is.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
Okay, but they were calling in it about somebody, yep.
And then he would tell them like what they're saying,
what he sees or.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
Yeah, like oh, it's a father figure. And then if
they say no, it was my uncle, and then he'll
just say, well, yeah, he's like a father figure because
he's male, so.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
Like that, so like, yeah, what you're saying. They can
always flip it in a sense.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
And obviously what I'm about to say next is not
all the time, but it's what I noticed happened a lot.
He'll just say like, oh, he let me guess he
passed from cancer in the throat. And when you say
cancer in the throat to ten different.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
People, you might get lucky.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
Six out of ten times you're gonna get lucky. That'll
be it to me.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
What I'm seeing you just pick the most common things.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
Well, they always start off so vague. That's the part
that bothers me is it's very vague to where you
can kind of you know, like, does anybody in your
families have a name that starts with J or whatever?
Speaker 3 (18:00):
Like it's pretty vague, right, yes, always the initials.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
And then they might be like no, and they might
be like, all right, so maybe it's a last name.
Like there's always ways around it. But what ends up
helping them is when the person gives them the information.
That's almost like I mean, I don't want to say this,
but it's almost like the worst thing to do right now,
you're making it easy for them.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
You just said it.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
What I've also witnessed is that's also a trick to
where you let them to give you the answer, Like
you just give a little and let the person just
start talking.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
And they'll go like yep, yep, yep, that makes sense.
That's what I saw.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
I could easily say I was just about to.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
Say that, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
So there's just different ways. I mean I could do one.
I could do one mind manipulation for you right.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
Now on me.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
Yeah, okay, but this is more. This is not I'm
not going to talk about someone that.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
Passed away like crying. No, no, no.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
This is more of like an example of like manipulating
the mind. So this is a classic pick a number,
but between one and fifty. So you're gonna pick a
number between one and fifty.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
But let's make it.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
Let's make it hard, make it a two digit number.
And I mean let's even go further than that.
Speaker 3 (19:09):
Make it.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
Make it an even number, but make each digit two
different even numbers. See, so so think of that. Just
put it in your head, number between one and fifty.
Make it a two digit They both got to be
even numbers.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
Two different even numbers. You got it? Don't say it,
don't say I got it?
Speaker 2 (19:28):
All right?
Speaker 3 (19:28):
Okay? Okay? Is it twenty four?
Speaker 2 (19:33):
No?
Speaker 3 (19:34):
Oh okay, what was it?
Speaker 2 (19:35):
Twenty two?
Speaker 1 (19:36):
Oh? No, see you made Oh oh I just did it.
You made two digits the same which I told you
not to do.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
Oh shit, you're right, my bad can we do that over.
Speaker 3 (19:45):
No, it would have been twenty four. I know it.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
I know you would have picked twenty four really well,
because you picked twenty two.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
And yeah, come on, I mean it could have been
twenty six.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
I know, but I just know it. You would have
picked twenty four. And see I'm already manipulating. Yeah, you did,
you did, And to be honest with you, that'd have
been crazy because you probably would have maybe you would
have picked twenty four.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
I mean it did cross my mind.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
Yeah, so but if you But the trick to that
is it's just the words I was using. I say,
between one and fifty. That makes it like, oh man,
that's a lot of choices. But then I said, no,
let's make it a two digit number. So now you're
down to eleven to fifty.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
Yeah, and then you cut it even in half it
with that.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
Even half to do with that with evens only, Yeah,
and then I even made it smaller than that by saying,
but make two of the digits different numbers.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
That sounds like some magician shit too.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
Well, that's what I'm saying. And I'm kind of glad
that you picked twenty two because I still got to
manipulate it. To be oh, you would have picked twenty
four because you made that and.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
Then I realized I made the mistake, like that shit.
Speaker 3 (20:50):
Yeah, then you were like, oh fuck, you're right, like
I fucked up and you probably.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
Then you look more right. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
So it's a lot of that. Yeah, now we could
go to the other end of it. What I've also
witnessed with our guest at the radio station during this
time is he got some he got some things correct too.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
Yeah. I mean you also get lucky.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
Yeah. The one that I noticed all the time is
he would say I see a move coming soon, like
you're moving, and I would say, seventy five percent of
the time the person says, yes, I am.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
And then he'll or I've been thinking about it yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
Or I've been thinking about it, and then he'll say
I don't know, but I feel like you're going to Arizona.
And again fifty to sixty percent will say like, yes,
I am going to Arizona.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
Now.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
The thing that I noticed is, don't forget I had
this guest once every few weeks.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
Yeah, it was always Arizona.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Really, he would always say Arizona. I guess he could
have switched it up a little bit and.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
So I remember going like, no, I don't say Arizona
because I'll have to edit it because we already aired
that last and stuff.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
Back to that.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
We're not hating because I'm for the entertainment side of it,
because when he did some amazing readings, people were crying
and on the air it sounded great, like I said,
on the entertainment side of it, and then he would
invite us to live shows and this guy would pack
out like theater room.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
What about on the ethical side of it though, mm.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
I don't see. I always took it as entertainment.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
But people that don't take it as entertainment and actually
believe it though, it.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
Just goes back to what we said earlier. It's giving
them closure. If it's giving them then hey, I'm a
firm believer. If that's what you believe, then that's what
is that's your belief in your life.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
Yeah, I mean, like you said, you you could be
the same with religion or you know whatever.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
You know, a lot of people don't believe, like, oh,
when you die, you're like, you know, Catholics, we believe
we're gonna go to heaven.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
We're good.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
And some people don't believe that, so I believe. That's
so the way I.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
Envision life is like whatever we believe is what's gonna happen.
That's how I see things.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
Whatever we have, whatever belief we have inside us, is
what's gonna happen in our afterlife or whatever. So, yeah,
I got to see this guy live and man, a
lot of crying, a lot of like I said, but
it was the same on the radio.
Speaker 3 (23:39):
It's very vague. It was hit or miss.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
Yeah, And obviously at the end of the day, it
still is a skill, like being a magician, to like
know where to take the conversation, to get the information
that they give you and sort of paint a picture
back to them and kind of build this storyline for them.
And it is a skill. So I will say that
it's not just you know, like I couldn't do it.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
You know, earlier I said the ability for these things
to happen. I do believe in that side of it,
because the mind. I'm a firm believer that the mind
is powerful. And also I've experienced things myself. But I'll
give you little little examples that's common. Has this ever
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happened to you where in your head you're singing a
song in your head and then you get in your car,
turn on the radio and that exact song is playing.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
Yeah, stuff like that happens.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
It happens a lot.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
I believe in coincidence. Well, I was.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
About to say to me, there's a thin line between
energy and coincidences.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
When it comes to that, it could go either or
to me, it could go either or that. It's a
thin line.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
It could be coincidence or er man energy like, because
it happens a lot. So that's one. Another common one.
You just think about someone and then your phone rings. Again,
thin line between coincidence and energy one, you know. Back
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in like I said, I was doing a lot of
magician stuff back in the days. And one of the
things I would try to do with friends because now
I would just see how far I could go. I
would really try to do the mind reading thing. And
I was with a friend. I remember this story, like
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this is true story. I said, think of a friend
in your head, just think of a friend, and they
thought of one and I just closed my eyes. I
wasn't doing a magic chick. I just wanted to see
what I would see in my head. And when I
tell you, I closed my eyes and I saw the
name Elizabeth, and I was like, that's weird. Why do
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I see Elizabeth? And I opened my eyes. I was
and I said to her is it Elizabeth?
Speaker 3 (26:04):
And the shock my face, like how did you know?
And I was shocked.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
Did I know? But again, thin line between coincidence and energy.
That's an example, A big example that I will carry
forever is uh I moved to Fresno. Uh, I left
my family. This was like when I left, first left
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my family, and then.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
When you first moved out here.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
When I first moved.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
Out here, staying at a hotel at the time, went
to sleep, dreamt about my grandfather, like I remember, like
I remember the dream. We were talking, conversating and I
woke up. My phone rang. When I woke up, it
was my mom. She said, my my grandfather passed away.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
Yeah, that's wild. So I know this is a little
off topic, but on topic because it could be a
topic in its own. It is not really dealing with psychics,
but dreams. How do you feel about dreams? I know
I bring that up because we used to have a
dream lady to call the radio station here and she
I don't know what you would call her, but she
would analyze dreams or explain to people like why they
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would have these dreams. I always thought it was interesting.
I don't know, I don't know what the science behind
it is or if it if it's real. I guess
my thought is always just our thoughts while we sleep,
or usually this probably happens, and I know this happens
to everybody. Maybe you were thinking about somebody or talk
about somebody that day and then you end up dreaming
about them. I kind of just feel like that's that's
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almost more natural. But the random ones is what gets me, like,
what the fuck was that about?
Speaker 3 (27:41):
You know?
Speaker 2 (27:41):
I mean, you ever wake up like what the fuck
was that about? I'm a believer in like I wouldn't
be thinking that if I was awake, So why the
fuck was I thinking that as a sleep.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
Yeah, I think dreams to me my belief it has
different levels. There's somewhere because I've heard you could if
you really like think about something right before you dream,
right before you sleep, there's a good percentage that you'll
dream about that.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
So that makes sense.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
Yeah, But sometimes, like you said, random dreams and dream
about my grandfather. I do believe that that's something that
is something it's someone trying to communicate, or it's a
sign of ability of something that will happen in the future.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
I believe in that.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
I totally believe in that the mind is like so powerful,
so yeah, dreams that that's definitely part of that umbrella
of psychic ability that I'm talking about that I do
believe in ability that everyone has. And I think every
psychic medium will say this. I've heard them say this. Well,
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they always say in the interviews, Oh, everyone has this.
I just kind of focused on it and really studied everything.
So shouts out to them for doing that, and then
they make money off it. I'm not gonna judge them.
Like people gotta people gotta make their money. People gotta
have their careers. And like I said, if if it's
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entertaining or if it gives you joy.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
Yeah, I mean for some people it could give them closure.
You know, my mom is somebody that believes in that,
and her mom, my grandma, had passed away, so she
really feels certain things, like she feels the presence of
my grandma or you know, she wants to go to
these shows to see if she can, you know, have
one of these psychics talk to her and see things
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like that, and she believes it and it you know,
it gives her closure. And so I don't say nothing.
You know, well, who am I to like knock that
down from her? But just like on a personal level,
it's you know, nah, not for me. But again, like
I'm somebody that if things make you feel better or
make you become a better person, I'm all for those things.
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You know, whether that's going to church, or if that's
going to therapy, or if that's going to like a
program or like a you know, like those alcohol with
an alcoholic a non or yeah, any of those programs
that make you a better person, I'm for it. You
know what I'm saying, as long as you're not doing
anything illegal or hurting people.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
I mean, you said, you just said it best. I
can't even say it any better than that. I agree.
And yeah, I mean like again.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
Wait, have you ever had the psychic doing anything to you?
Speaker 3 (30:27):
Yeah? Oh, I'm glad you said that.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
I'm glad you said. Like, while I was on in
the phone, i'd be like, hey, can you like work
on me a little bit?
Speaker 3 (30:35):
I'm glad. Yes. We So.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
When I did radio on Riverside, I was the new
Hire it was a new show. We only had a
two year contract, and he was like one of our
big bits on the radio show on our first year
and off the air, we would ask, you know, do
a reading with us. And I at the time, I
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was with my long, longtime girlfriend. I was with her
for years, and I remember one of the things he
said is you guys are gonna get married, like that
was one of the things wrong saw. And then he
goes and I see this show lasting for a long
time again wrong again.
Speaker 3 (31:19):
We only lasted like a year.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
And as I try to gas you up with those
two comments.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
Yeah, so I get what they're doing, like positive energy,
like just say positive things.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
And yeah, so that's another thing. They never really say
anything negative. But I guess that's like that's not what
people are going for. But I mean, wouldn't that make
it more realistic?
Speaker 3 (31:38):
That's true.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
I don't know, bro, I don't think you guys are
going to last. Neither is this show. Obviously it's not
what you want to hear. But it was more of
the truth than what he did say.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
That is true. That is true.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
But yeah, I do remember he did a reading for us,
and everything he said was wrong.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
That's funny. Maybe we should put his name out there
because this guy is wrong a lot. We don't know
paying for this dude.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
Can I just say, man, this this guy, he is
the nicest. He became one of our friends. You know,
since I left that radio station, we have lost touch.
I do still see him on social media and he's
still traveling doing shows. I mean it's been years since
I've seen him, so man again, like.
Speaker 3 (32:21):
This is his job.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
He's pretty successful getting to travel and doing these shows.
So one of the nicest dudes, like he was fun
to be around, gave us great entertainment on the radio.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
So then he would be one of those that I
guess like did both right because he could speak like
would he say like, oh I can hear you know
this your relative dead person?
Speaker 1 (32:45):
Ye?
Speaker 3 (32:45):
Yeah, in the medium.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
But then what he told you was like almost like
a fortune.
Speaker 3 (32:49):
Yep, yeah he did. He did both.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
So then I was like, both, Okay, how do you
feel about that? Obviously he was wrong with how do
you feel about those people like, you know, card readers
and palm readers and shit like that.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
It's the same thing I was saying earlier. It's just
they use a lot of skill a out of mind manipulation.
But I haven't experienced those. I haven't experienced card readers
and stuff, the stuff.
Speaker 3 (33:14):
You know.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
I have a lot of friends that do believe in
that stuff, and sometimes I get sketched out about it
because they fully believe in it.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
Speaking of which, and we were actually just talking about
this the other day, kind of goes a little bit
with this conversations. Yeah, or we could save that for
conversation for another day. But I mean, that's another thing
that I don't believe in, like zodiac signs and horoscopes,
and I don't know. Those two are very broad and
very positive. So of course I can look up a
horoscope and be like, oh yeah, oh my god, that
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is me. I do do that. I could probably look
up your horoscope and find something in there that's relatable
to me. Or I can look at my own horoscope
and be like, noah, none of that's me. I did again.
Speaker 3 (33:55):
I've seen it all. Yeah, I exactly what you just said.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
I've seen somewhere, this makes sense, seen somewhere.
Speaker 3 (34:01):
That's not even me at all.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's it all goes in that same
category of entertainment.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
Yeah, is that something you still like would if people
want to believe into it whatever, Although people be making
decisions based off it though, then that's a little sketch
to me, Like you shouldn't be making like relationship decisions
or life decisions based off of fucking you know fortune
cookie essentially.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
Yeah, that that's what that's the part that is a
little sketch, A little sketch.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
Yeah. Like again, if you're reading it for funzies, you
know what I mean, like, oh, that's funny, that did
happen today or whatever, that's fine. But if you're like,
oh man, this thing is saying I shouldn't date you
because we're not compatible, like you really ain't gonna golf
of that. Yeah, that's that's a little much.
Speaker 3 (34:48):
Yep. So I agree everything you just said. I agree,
And I.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
Mean, oh man, we need to get a psychic on
this pod.
Speaker 3 (34:55):
Is there is there one in town?
Speaker 2 (34:56):
If there's round, get on this pod.
Speaker 3 (34:58):
That would be a.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
Amazing that would be amazing. All right, So that's gonna
be our goal. We might have to do part two
of this, but we're only gonna do part two if
we find an actual psychic.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
Yeah. So if you're listening to this and you know, somebody,
or maybe you're somebody. Hit us up on the GRAM
or reach out to us somehow, and we'll do we'll
do an episode on that. That'ld be fun.
I'm not sure if it's a website. This was years ago,
but it's called miss Connections. Are you familiar with misconnections?
Speaker 2 (00:06):
No?
Speaker 3 (00:07):
Okay, man, I'm trying to remember.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
Because this is when I was doing radio in Riverside
at KGGI, and one of our bits was the I E. Misconnections,
and I'm trying to I think it was a website
called mis connections or it was a site, And then
you go to the misconnections section and basically it's just
a bunch of stories that people will put if they
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had a misconnection.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
For example, there was one that said.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
I was pumping gas at on the corner of Riverside
and Rialto and there was this girl that I saw
there and we didn't talk to each other, and we
just after we pumped the gas, we both left. If
this was you, email me at and then they leave
their email.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
So that's actually not like a bad premise. Yeah, so
you can go up there and say that you saw
somebody you thought maybe you had some eye connection, and
then they could go on there and maybe find you too,
or somebody could maybe reached out and help you out
or something like that.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
Yeah, And it's a bunch of stories.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
I remember it was one of our bits on the
radio station because we would just.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Read them and then you can help people exactly.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
We would say like, call in if this.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Is you, that's actually not a bad bit, right, I
just steal that is that we got to look this
website up.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
Yeah, But misconnections. And the reason why I bring that up.
I had a misconnection just recently. This passed for my
birthday weekend. Yeah, this is a perfect example of a misconnection.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
But you but the two people have to be on
the same page, right, because what if one person thought
there was a connection and there was just like.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Nah, but no both Sometimes it's a one sided thing.
All these stories that you'll see on the website from misconnections,
it could nothing can ever come out of it because
no one could know what that was.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Is it more just for fun reading the stories?
Speaker 1 (02:03):
Yes, it was more for fundsies because there's some wild
ones on there. I wish I could think of some
I could remember some of the wild ones.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
But now, when you were doing the bit on the radio,
was it to get people to connect with that person.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
Or hopefully someone would call in and be like, well
it's me yeah, or I know who that.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
Person is or something like. It was rare.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
It was rare, but sometimes it did. It was rare,
but people called in thinking like I think that was my.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
Cousin or something.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
But okay, but you but usually, like I said, the
person posting it. It's almost like it's just a hopeful
if someone sees.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
This out there in the world.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
Yeah, but we gotta try to remember what side of
it is. But misconnections, and mine, mine is a real
misconnection where your side, I was gonna say, it could
be it could be just one sided. So I was
at the club DJ in one of my birthday parties
in town.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Wait are we doing one right now? Because if this
person is listening to the podcast WHOA and this connection?
Speaker 1 (03:06):
So I was DJ You know, I won't I won't
go to detailed on it, but I was DJing. I
caught a girl's eye, but she was with a guy,
and correct, tell me if you feel the same way.
Sometimes you could tell that two people are a couple,
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and then sometimes you could tell these people are just
on a date, right.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Or even friends. Yeah, I get that.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
I get that there's an energy where you could obviously
you could be wrong because you're just assuming. But usually
we're right you you could tell if someone's on a date,
if they're together. Well, anyways, I caught a girl's eye
and she was looking at me too. We were staring
at each other. But she was, what it seemed like
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to me, on a date. And so in my head,
I'm like, fuck, I'm not gonna talk to her because
she's on a date. But throughout her dancing near the
DJ booth, sitting near the DJ booth, I swear to you,
she was staring at We were not only.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Her, you were locking eyes.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
We were locking eyes for half the night, okay, Like
she would sneak in a look like when the guy's
not looking. She would sneak in a look. And I
was djaying, and I'm like, I'm gonna stare at you,
like until you almost uncomfortably. Yeah, But no, she kept
like looking and she can't. She didn't give like a
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creepy face, like yo, why are you staring at me?
She had like a pleasant, like nice smile face, and
through like I said, throughout the evening, she would like
always look and to see if I'm looking, And yes,
I'm looking.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
So did she ever say anything to you? Do you
ever say anything to her.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
No, because she was always with the dude.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
Now I was thinking, I need like, how do I
say something to her, just a hello, or even like
are you staring at me?
Speaker 2 (05:05):
This sort of thing, Yeah, because you don't want to
be out of pockecast date. However, if she's staring that
hard at you, I don't know, maybe this dude is
maybe just a friend, or maybe she's not feeling the
dude yet.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
There it didn't look romantic.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
They were they kissing at all, so it could have
been just, oh, that's weird to go on a date
like that.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
It felt like a date. Though it felt it felt
like a date.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Maybe she was trying to tell you, like help me.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
Someone didn't say that when she gave me the eyes
like please help me. No, it looked like they were
having a good time. But again I'm like, yo, am
I crazy?
Speaker 3 (05:42):
Are you still look like? Are you looking at me? So?
Speaker 1 (05:46):
Throughout the club, you know it, as the night goes on,
I have I'm working, so I can't focus on that.
She kind of disappears. But yeah, she disappeared like a
you know, at the end of the night, I didn't
see them anymore. And there's a piece of me that
regrets it because there's like a misconnection, because what if
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we become good friends. What if you know, I met
her and she's like super cool and the night was over.
And when I tell you, I went to every bartender,
every server, I was like, this was this was I
was giving them descriptions of what she was wearing, like
she was on this and that, and they're like, nope, nope.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Did you go look at tag photos?
Speaker 3 (06:33):
No?
Speaker 1 (06:33):
Man, it was just like it was a misconnection. So
I kind of just forget about it, go to bed.
Six am in the morning, I wake up and I
check my Instagram and I have one follow, a new follower,
and it tells you when day followed. So it said
like three hours ago, which would be like three am.
(06:56):
And I her page was private, but you could still
click on the picture though profile and enlarges it. And
I enlarged it and I go, wait a minute, is.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
Is this her? I mean the timing would be right,
kind of like after the club. Maybe she followed you
three am.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
I mean yeah, because you know, throughout the night, I'm
saying my name throughout the nightclub, and I'm like and
I'm looking at the picture and obviously I was looking
at the girl just a few hours ago. So I'm like,
I think it's her. I'm not one sure, but it's short.
(07:38):
It resembles what I was looking at last night, and
so I followed back. And now I just have to
wait till they be private. Yeah, they have to refollow
me before I see the page. I actually don't get
the follow. I don't get the follow uh the fan
request till the next morning, and then I see the
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page and no, it's.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Not this story was going somewhere, was married kids.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
The dude was not the same dude that was at
the club. I'm like, oh, this is not her. So
hence a misconnection. Misconnection.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
Did you want to follow that girl? No, I'm not
gonna you know whatever, Like you were only going to
follow her because you wanted to see if that was her,
and when it was not her like all right.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
All unfolloww but not like not. I don't want to
be all abrupt and unfollow.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
I do like that.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
Okay, so that was a misconnection. But you're right, what, man,
what if she's listening?
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Yeah, maybe she is. If you were at was a
standard on Friday, and if you were eyeing the DJ,
listen reach out to us the wild side.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
The wild part of the story is like what you said,
what if it's just one sided? And she was looking like, yo,
stop staring.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
At I'm staring at you because I'm like, you mean
mugging you like I.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
Wasn't the energy though, that was not the energy.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
This could give me fire podcast? What up? I'm gise
that is John Magic and we are back.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
I mean, we're just gonna get into it. I mean,
the title says it all. Do you believe in psychics?
And if I was gonna give you my answer, if
I it's a it's a complicated answer.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
But do I believe in psychic ability? Yes?
Speaker 1 (09:25):
Do I believe in the people that profit from being
a psychic?
Speaker 3 (09:30):
No?
Speaker 1 (09:31):
Okay, so that's my my simple, complicated answer.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
My mind's even simpler than that. No. Uh, well, do
you want to talk about like why we kind of
got into this topic or should we just kind of
start talking about No.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
I mean we could start talking about because there's there's
different We've always talked about this before. It's uh, you
know when I oh, just like you know, we're talking
about radio bits and the radio bits. One of the
radio bits we had in Riverside. When I was doing
morning radio, there was once a week to no once
every two weeks, we had a psychic on and it
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was like entertaining. But I did notice some things that
we're gonna get into detail a little bit, but.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
We would just talk about it.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
Yeah, and then just as of late, and by the way,
my sister recently got a psychic because my dad passed
away recently. And if she's listening to this, this is nothing.
I'm not trying to be negative about it. This is
more I want to talk about my experience, and you know,
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different people have different experiences and that's fine. And like
I said with my answer, do I believe in psychic abilities?
I do, Actually I believe in that energy.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
Yeah, I'm gonna ahead and tell that real quick, because
I do want to make that clear that we're not
here to you know, judge anybody if that's something that
you believe in. But this is just like our own
take on it from our own either experiences or just
being around it, or just how we feel about it.
So how my opinion about it shouldn't change your opinion
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or if it does, whatever, you know what I'm saying,
that's that's that's really on you. Again, whatever people want
to believe that that makes them feel better or whatever
the case, say that, whatever the case may be. Like, hey,
I'm for that, but and the way I look at
it is just gonna be a little different.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
I mean we could just go from there about what
you said.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
If the individual that's believing in it, if they're getting
something out of it, some comfort, closure, some even some
entertainment from it, yeah, then yeah that's great. Yeah, that's great,
Like enjoy life, get as much as you can out
of the life we live.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
So I agree with you. If it's something that is
serving them, that.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
They believe in and you don't mind paying for it
or whatever, then that yeah, that's on you.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
Yeah, I mean I believe that.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
You know, I'm a firm of you control your own life.
So whatever however you want to live it and what
you believe in. It's just like religion to it's what are.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
Yeah, we're not here to change anybody. Yes, it's just
our own, our own outlook on it.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
This is more yeah, I mean it could even just
be more for entertainment, like what we experience.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
I'm sure you got some good stories over.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
There, psychics, So yeah, the The reason why I say
no on the people that profit from it is because
I've been around a few and we've seen the TV shows.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
There's a bunch of TV shows.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
I forget the guy's name, but one of the guys
actually lives in the five five nine, and he's famous.
He's the one that does the celebrity ones, young kid,
blonde hair.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
He does shows out here.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
Oh okay, so before we get into it, let me
ask you. You might know, is there a different stoke
because I know we're saying psychics, but is there a
difference to the people that can talk to the dead
compare to the people that can tell you?
Speaker 3 (13:01):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (13:01):
Yeah, that's true, Like is that even the same thing?
Are we even saying it? Right?
Speaker 3 (13:05):
Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
I don't know, yeah, because I think because there's readers, yeah,
the mind readers, Yeah, those the fortune tellers. I guess
we're kind of just like grouping it in like the
same category. So don't attack us if we're not giving
it the right terminology. Because the people that talk to dead,
are they even called psychics or they call mediums?
Speaker 3 (13:25):
Okay, well, but then I see psychic medium yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Okay, Well, so for the sake of this conversation psychics,
we'll just group up everybody under the same umbrella, but
in this particular situation, we're talking about people that can
talk to the dead.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
And you know, we've been in the entertainment industry for years, yeah,
twenty plus years that even we know the secrets of entertainment,
of editing and all this stuff. So that's why when
I see this stuff on TV, it just reminds me
of things that we do. We do on the radio
side of it, so like we know the editing powers
(14:03):
that can manipulate the mind. I mean, we kind of
do it in our lives. And I'll give you an example.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
What it is.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
Basically, like I've been posting my golf videos on my Instagram,
and if you watch my golf videos, it's like ten
swings that I took that are I'm hitting the ball
far and they're all great swings. I'm not going to
post the ninety five swings that I took that went horribly.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Yeah, we live in a world where we only show
the best versions of ourselves on social media. It's kind
of like what you're saying.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
Right, So that's the TV side, But I've also been
around psychic mediums. Like I said earlier, when I was
doing the radio show in Riverside where we had a
gentleman every week or so.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
Do you remember what his name is?
Speaker 1 (14:56):
I don't want to say the name because number one.
Well also again like it's we're not it's that. Yes,
it's just what I experienced watching this.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
Okay, So I guess first of all, talk about this
bit and how it worked.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
It worked amazing because in my head it was all
for entertainment and for me, that's what these cycle mediums
are are.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
And for our particular job, that's the part we care
about what we Alrea, we care about it sounds.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
We had to do a bunch of editing because it's
so long sometimes and you know us in in terrestrial radio,
we're timed.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
But there was a bunch of entertaining moments.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
Now the part that I've I noticed me you know,
we've talked about this before. My DJ name is John Magic.
Because I was a magician in my younger days.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
They would use tactics.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
That I learned in magic tricks. You know, the magician.
The magician's rule is you're always right, You're the trick
is always gonna work, and you're always right. Even when
it doesn't work there we have ways to flip it
to make it right still. And that's kind of what
I was seeing with these mediums talking to the people
(16:23):
is it was a lot of those magic trick skills
of kind of being vague about things. Also, something I
saw and heard, Like I said, we had this gentleman
once every few weeks. It was almost the same, the
(16:45):
same script. He would just stick with the same script.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
So people would call in and you would connect them
with the and they would ask about like a dead
relative or something like that.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
He would even say, don't tell me who it is.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
Okay, but they were calling in it about somebody, yep.
And then he would tell them like what they're saying,
what he sees or.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
Yeah, like oh, it's a father figure. And then if
they say no, it was my uncle, and then he'll
just say, well, yeah, he's like a father figure because
he's male, so.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
Like that, so like, yeah, what you're saying. They can
always flip it in a sense.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
And obviously what I'm about to say next is not
all the time, but it's what I noticed happened a lot.
He'll just say like, oh, he let me guess he
passed from cancer in the throat. And when you say
cancer in the throat to ten different.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
People, you might get lucky.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
Six out of ten times you're gonna get lucky. That'll
be it to me.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
What I'm seeing you just pick the most common things.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
Well, they always start off so vague. That's the part
that bothers me is it's very vague to where you
can kind of you know, like, does anybody in your
families have a name that starts with J or whatever?
Speaker 3 (18:00):
Like it's pretty vague, right, yes, always the initials.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
And then they might be like no, and they might
be like, all right, so maybe it's a last name.
Like there's always ways around it. But what ends up
helping them is when the person gives them the information.
That's almost like I mean, I don't want to say this,
but it's almost like the worst thing to do right now,
you're making it easy for them.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
You just said it.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
What I've also witnessed is that's also a trick to
where you let them to give you the answer, Like
you just give a little and let the person just
start talking.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
And they'll go like yep, yep, yep, that makes sense.
That's what I saw.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
I could easily say I was just about to.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
Say that, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
So there's just different ways. I mean I could do one.
I could do one mind manipulation for you right.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
Now on me.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
Yeah, okay, but this is more. This is not I'm
not going to talk about someone that.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
Passed away like crying. No, no, no.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
This is more of like an example of like manipulating
the mind. So this is a classic pick a number,
but between one and fifty. So you're gonna pick a
number between one and fifty.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
But let's make it.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
Let's make it hard, make it a two digit number.
And I mean let's even go further than that.
Speaker 3 (19:09):
Make it.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
Make it an even number, but make each digit two
different even numbers. See, so so think of that. Just
put it in your head, number between one and fifty.
Make it a two digit They both got to be
even numbers.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
Two different even numbers. You got it? Don't say it,
don't say I got it?
Speaker 2 (19:28):
All right?
Speaker 3 (19:28):
Okay? Okay? Is it twenty four?
Speaker 2 (19:33):
No?
Speaker 3 (19:34):
Oh okay, what was it?
Speaker 2 (19:35):
Twenty two?
Speaker 1 (19:36):
Oh? No, see you made Oh oh I just did it.
You made two digits the same which I told you
not to do.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
Oh shit, you're right, my bad can we do that over.
Speaker 3 (19:45):
No, it would have been twenty four. I know it.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
I know you would have picked twenty four really well,
because you picked twenty two.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
And yeah, come on, I mean it could have been
twenty six.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
I know, but I just know it. You would have
picked twenty four. And see I'm already manipulating. Yeah, you did,
you did, And to be honest with you, that'd have
been crazy because you probably would have maybe you would
have picked twenty four.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
I mean it did cross my mind.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
Yeah, so but if you But the trick to that
is it's just the words I was using. I say,
between one and fifty. That makes it like, oh man,
that's a lot of choices. But then I said, no,
let's make it a two digit number. So now you're
down to eleven to fifty.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
Yeah, and then you cut it even in half it
with that.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
Even half to do with that with evens only, Yeah,
and then I even made it smaller than that by saying,
but make two of the digits different numbers.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
That sounds like some magician shit too.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
Well, that's what I'm saying. And I'm kind of glad
that you picked twenty two because I still got to
manipulate it. To be oh, you would have picked twenty
four because you made that and.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
Then I realized I made the mistake, like that shit.
Speaker 3 (20:50):
Yeah, then you were like, oh fuck, you're right, like
I fucked up and you probably.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
Then you look more right. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
So it's a lot of that. Yeah, now we could
go to the other end of it. What I've also
witnessed with our guest at the radio station during this
time is he got some he got some things correct too.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
Yeah. I mean you also get lucky.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
Yeah. The one that I noticed all the time is
he would say I see a move coming soon, like
you're moving, and I would say, seventy five percent of
the time the person says, yes, I am.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
And then he'll or I've been thinking about it yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
Or I've been thinking about it, and then he'll say
I don't know, but I feel like you're going to Arizona.
And again fifty to sixty percent will say like, yes,
I am going to Arizona.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
Now.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
The thing that I noticed is, don't forget I had
this guest once every few weeks.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
Yeah, it was always Arizona.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Really, he would always say Arizona. I guess he could
have switched it up a little bit and.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
So I remember going like, no, I don't say Arizona
because I'll have to edit it because we already aired
that last and stuff.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
Back to that.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
We're not hating because I'm for the entertainment side of it,
because when he did some amazing readings, people were crying
and on the air it sounded great, like I said,
on the entertainment side of it, and then he would
invite us to live shows and this guy would pack
out like theater room.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
What about on the ethical side of it though, mm.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
I don't see. I always took it as entertainment.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
But people that don't take it as entertainment and actually
believe it though, it.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
Just goes back to what we said earlier. It's giving
them closure. If it's giving them then hey, I'm a
firm believer. If that's what you believe, then that's what
is that's your belief in your life.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
Yeah, I mean, like you said, you you could be
the same with religion or you know whatever.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
You know, a lot of people don't believe, like, oh,
when you die, you're like, you know, Catholics, we believe
we're gonna go to heaven.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
We're good.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
And some people don't believe that, so I believe. That's
so the way I.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
Envision life is like whatever we believe is what's gonna happen.
That's how I see things.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
Whatever we have, whatever belief we have inside us, is
what's gonna happen in our afterlife or whatever. So, yeah,
I got to see this guy live and man, a
lot of crying, a lot of like I said, but
it was the same on the radio.
Speaker 3 (23:39):
It's very vague. It was hit or miss.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
Yeah, And obviously at the end of the day, it
still is a skill, like being a magician, to like
know where to take the conversation, to get the information
that they give you and sort of paint a picture
back to them and kind of build this storyline for them.
And it is a skill. So I will say that
it's not just you know, like I couldn't do it.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
You know, earlier I said the ability for these things
to happen. I do believe in that side of it,
because the mind. I'm a firm believer that the mind
is powerful. And also I've experienced things myself. But I'll
give you little little examples that's common. Has this ever
(24:27):
happened to you where in your head you're singing a
song in your head and then you get in your car,
turn on the radio and that exact song is playing.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
Yeah, stuff like that happens.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
It happens a lot.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
I believe in coincidence. Well, I was.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
About to say to me, there's a thin line between
energy and coincidences.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
When it comes to that, it could go either or
to me, it could go either or that. It's a
thin line.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
It could be coincidence or er man energy like, because
it happens a lot. So that's one. Another common one.
You just think about someone and then your phone rings. Again,
thin line between coincidence and energy one, you know. Back
(25:17):
in like I said, I was doing a lot of
magician stuff back in the days. And one of the
things I would try to do with friends because now
I would just see how far I could go. I
would really try to do the mind reading thing. And
I was with a friend. I remember this story, like
(25:38):
this is true story. I said, think of a friend
in your head, just think of a friend, and they
thought of one and I just closed my eyes. I
wasn't doing a magic chick. I just wanted to see
what I would see in my head. And when I
tell you, I closed my eyes and I saw the
name Elizabeth, and I was like, that's weird. Why do
(25:58):
I see Elizabeth? And I opened my eyes. I was
and I said to her is it Elizabeth?
Speaker 3 (26:04):
And the shock my face, like how did you know?
And I was shocked.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
Did I know? But again, thin line between coincidence and energy.
That's an example, A big example that I will carry
forever is uh I moved to Fresno. Uh, I left
my family. This was like when I left, first left
(26:32):
my family, and then.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
When you first moved out here.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
When I first moved.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
Out here, staying at a hotel at the time, went
to sleep, dreamt about my grandfather, like I remember, like
I remember the dream. We were talking, conversating and I
woke up. My phone rang. When I woke up, it
was my mom. She said, my my grandfather passed away.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
Yeah, that's wild. So I know this is a little
off topic, but on topic because it could be a
topic in its own. It is not really dealing with psychics,
but dreams. How do you feel about dreams? I know
I bring that up because we used to have a
dream lady to call the radio station here and she
I don't know what you would call her, but she
would analyze dreams or explain to people like why they
(27:15):
would have these dreams. I always thought it was interesting.
I don't know, I don't know what the science behind
it is or if it if it's real. I guess
my thought is always just our thoughts while we sleep,
or usually this probably happens, and I know this happens
to everybody. Maybe you were thinking about somebody or talk
about somebody that day and then you end up dreaming
about them. I kind of just feel like that's that's
(27:36):
almost more natural. But the random ones is what gets me, like,
what the fuck was that about?
Speaker 3 (27:41):
You know?
Speaker 2 (27:41):
I mean, you ever wake up like what the fuck
was that about? I'm a believer in like I wouldn't
be thinking that if I was awake, So why the
fuck was I thinking that as a sleep.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
Yeah, I think dreams to me my belief it has
different levels. There's somewhere because I've heard you could if
you really like think about something right before you dream,
right before you sleep, there's a good percentage that you'll
dream about that.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
So that makes sense.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
Yeah, But sometimes, like you said, random dreams and dream
about my grandfather. I do believe that that's something that
is something it's someone trying to communicate, or it's a
sign of ability of something that will happen in the future.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
I believe in that.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
I totally believe in that the mind is like so powerful,
so yeah, dreams that that's definitely part of that umbrella
of psychic ability that I'm talking about that I do
believe in ability that everyone has. And I think every
psychic medium will say this. I've heard them say this. Well,
(28:46):
they always say in the interviews, Oh, everyone has this.
I just kind of focused on it and really studied everything.
So shouts out to them for doing that, and then
they make money off it. I'm not gonna judge them.
Like people gotta people gotta make their money. People gotta
have their careers. And like I said, if if it's
(29:11):
entertaining or if it gives you joy.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
Yeah, I mean for some people it could give them closure.
You know, my mom is somebody that believes in that,
and her mom, my grandma, had passed away, so she
really feels certain things, like she feels the presence of
my grandma or you know, she wants to go to
these shows to see if she can, you know, have
one of these psychics talk to her and see things
(29:36):
like that, and she believes it and it you know,
it gives her closure. And so I don't say nothing.
You know, well, who am I to like knock that
down from her? But just like on a personal level,
it's you know, nah, not for me. But again, like
I'm somebody that if things make you feel better or
make you become a better person, I'm all for those things.
(29:58):
You know, whether that's going to church, or if that's
going to therapy, or if that's going to like a
program or like a you know, like those alcohol with
an alcoholic a non or yeah, any of those programs
that make you a better person, I'm for it. You
know what I'm saying, as long as you're not doing
anything illegal or hurting people.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
I mean, you said, you just said it best. I
can't even say it any better than that. I agree.
And yeah, I mean like again.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
Wait, have you ever had the psychic doing anything to you?
Speaker 3 (30:27):
Yeah? Oh, I'm glad you said that.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
I'm glad you said. Like, while I was on in
the phone, i'd be like, hey, can you like work
on me a little bit?
Speaker 3 (30:35):
I'm glad. Yes. We So.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
When I did radio on Riverside, I was the new
Hire it was a new show. We only had a
two year contract, and he was like one of our
big bits on the radio show on our first year
and off the air, we would ask, you know, do
a reading with us. And I at the time, I
(31:02):
was with my long, longtime girlfriend. I was with her
for years, and I remember one of the things he
said is you guys are gonna get married, like that
was one of the things wrong saw. And then he
goes and I see this show lasting for a long
time again wrong again.
Speaker 3 (31:19):
We only lasted like a year.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
And as I try to gas you up with those
two comments.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
Yeah, so I get what they're doing, like positive energy,
like just say positive things.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
And yeah, so that's another thing. They never really say
anything negative. But I guess that's like that's not what
people are going for. But I mean, wouldn't that make
it more realistic?
Speaker 3 (31:38):
That's true.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
I don't know, bro, I don't think you guys are
going to last. Neither is this show. Obviously it's not
what you want to hear. But it was more of
the truth than what he did say.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
That is true. That is true.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
But yeah, I do remember he did a reading for us,
and everything he said was wrong.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
That's funny. Maybe we should put his name out there
because this guy is wrong a lot. We don't know
paying for this dude.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
Can I just say, man, this this guy, he is
the nicest. He became one of our friends. You know,
since I left that radio station, we have lost touch.
I do still see him on social media and he's
still traveling doing shows. I mean it's been years since
I've seen him, so man again, like.
Speaker 3 (32:21):
This is his job.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
He's pretty successful getting to travel and doing these shows.
So one of the nicest dudes, like he was fun
to be around, gave us great entertainment on the radio.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
So then he would be one of those that I
guess like did both right because he could speak like
would he say like, oh I can hear you know
this your relative dead person?
Speaker 1 (32:45):
Ye?
Speaker 3 (32:45):
Yeah, in the medium.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
But then what he told you was like almost like
a fortune.
Speaker 3 (32:49):
Yep, yeah he did. He did both.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
So then I was like, both, Okay, how do you
feel about that? Obviously he was wrong with how do
you feel about those people like, you know, card readers
and palm readers and shit like that.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
It's the same thing I was saying earlier. It's just
they use a lot of skill a out of mind manipulation.
But I haven't experienced those. I haven't experienced card readers
and stuff, the stuff.
Speaker 3 (33:14):
You know.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
I have a lot of friends that do believe in
that stuff, and sometimes I get sketched out about it
because they fully believe in it.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
Speaking of which, and we were actually just talking about
this the other day, kind of goes a little bit
with this conversations. Yeah, or we could save that for
conversation for another day. But I mean, that's another thing
that I don't believe in, like zodiac signs and horoscopes,
and I don't know. Those two are very broad and
very positive. So of course I can look up a
horoscope and be like, oh yeah, oh my god, that
(33:45):
is me. I do do that. I could probably look
up your horoscope and find something in there that's relatable
to me. Or I can look at my own horoscope
and be like, noah, none of that's me. I did again.
Speaker 3 (33:55):
I've seen it all. Yeah, I exactly what you just said.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
I've seen somewhere, this makes sense, seen somewhere.
Speaker 3 (34:01):
That's not even me at all.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's it all goes in that same
category of entertainment.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
Yeah, is that something you still like would if people
want to believe into it whatever, Although people be making
decisions based off it though, then that's a little sketch
to me, Like you shouldn't be making like relationship decisions
or life decisions based off of fucking you know fortune
cookie essentially.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
Yeah, that that's what that's the part that is a
little sketch, A little sketch.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
Yeah. Like again, if you're reading it for funzies, you
know what I mean, like, oh, that's funny, that did
happen today or whatever, that's fine. But if you're like,
oh man, this thing is saying I shouldn't date you
because we're not compatible, like you really ain't gonna golf
of that. Yeah, that's that's a little much.
Speaker 3 (34:48):
Yep. So I agree everything you just said. I agree,
And I.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
Mean, oh man, we need to get a psychic on
this pod.
Speaker 3 (34:55):
Is there is there one in town?
Speaker 2 (34:56):
If there's round, get on this pod.
Speaker 3 (34:58):
That would be a.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
Amazing that would be amazing. All right, So that's gonna
be our goal. We might have to do part two
of this, but we're only gonna do part two if
we find an actual psychic.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
Yeah. So if you're listening to this and you know, somebody,
or maybe you're somebody. Hit us up on the GRAM
or reach out to us somehow, and we'll do we'll
do an episode on that. That'ld be fun.
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