Jeff Buch (JeffreyTheGreek) | WUW 583 - Washed Up Walkons

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Our guest today is Jeff Book. You played for the

(00:01):
Iowahawke Guys. Uniquely the transition period between coach Hayden Fry
and Coach Farns a perspective you don't often get and
one that we talk about in this podcast. He's also
the only Iowa football player to have a longer running
show than this year, The Washed Up walk Ons. He
is Jeffrey the Greek on Twitter. You've probably seen him
come up once or twice.

Speaker 2 (00:20):
And we put together a great episode. Enjoy this one.
Let's have a day.

Speaker 3 (00:23):
Let's go back again with the wash Up walk Ons podcast.

Speaker 1 (00:53):
Another episode, another episode that Kevin's out here. It's just
a myriad of reasons he just likes to We're just
going down the list. I won't divulge the reason tonight,
but it's me and Grant again. Tonight we have a
guest of Phil Kevin's spot with Conversation. His name is
jeff Book. You know him better probably is Jeffrey the
Greek on Twitter and he has his own podcast and

(01:13):
I'm a little jeff Welcome to the show.

Speaker 4 (01:16):
Thank you, and I's want to say the intro the
music awesome for you Guys' podcast. Some of these podcasts
it's like you're going to a funeral, you know, like
it's like depressing music or whatever. You guys got a
good beat to it. I love the Let's Have a
Day stuff, so good stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:33):
I appreciate that lucked into both of those things.

Speaker 1 (01:36):
Let's Have a Day is probably just me nervously trying
to figure out a way to cap off that intro.

Speaker 2 (01:42):
Yeah, and it just kind of stuck and people love that.
And then the music thing.

Speaker 1 (01:45):
I don't think, you know, aside from all of our
experiences and all the cool stories we have and all
the fun guests that we have on, I don't think
I've ever been contacted about anything more than our intro music.
And it quite literally for anybody that is unaware, I'll
just tell tell it again. Five hundred and eighty episodes
deep here. I knew we needed some sort of intro

(02:08):
to kind of make it sound professional. I went to
YouTube free music library and just picked like the first
one that sounded decent. I cut the first forty five
seconds of it off, and just that I literally got lucky.
You can go find that people will people will like.
Sometimes there's commercials or like YouTube ads that use that

(02:28):
that music, and they're like.

Speaker 2 (02:29):
They're using your music, and I'm like, no, they're not.
They're not somebody else's. But in most and.

Speaker 4 (02:35):
Most people don't know that the free music library thing
is what you have to rely on. Yeah, when you
are a podcast of our ILK if I could, because
we actually the very first season we used an intro
of a song from one of my favorite bands called
ween Love. The song. We got contacted pretty quickly into

(02:56):
it like did you know you can't use that? And
we said no, we did not, So then we were
off to the music lis sorry, we.

Speaker 2 (03:02):
Please don't sue us. We don't have any money to pay,
so we'll just stop hearing it.

Speaker 1 (03:07):
Yeah, as Jeff mentioned there, I kind of cut the
intro off early. If I was any better podcast thing,
I would I would have gotten it in. Jeff, you
are the host co host of Eyes on Big podcast
podcast that is not just Iowa based, although you are
a former Hawkey so that helps with the show tonight.
You have a lot to connect and discuss, but a

(03:28):
podcast I believe from what I can tell, is you're
kind of Iowa based, your your co host is sort
of Illinois based. Those are the Eyes and then you
guys are a Big Ten podcast in general, you kind
of hit all of it.

Speaker 2 (03:42):
Is that correct?

Speaker 4 (03:44):
You put the eyes together with Iowa Illinois? Most people
don't make that so nice work, But yeah, we when
we started twenty eighteen, we were covering all fourteen teams.
That was a lot more manageable than the beasts we
have now of all eighteen teams. We essentially I'm still

(04:05):
in sales. I still, you know, represent a company, different
company than I was in twenty eighteen, but I travel
around a lot. In between phone calls and sales meetings,
you have windshield time, you need to listen to something.
So a lot of podcasts can't just listen to music
all day. It drives me nuts. And everything I was
listening to that was college football content was all SEC.

(04:28):
You know this is back in even more so ESPN
and SEC proudly being in bed together but acting life
they weren't. It drove me nuts. So my buddy Kurt
and I, who were buddies. He didn't play college football,
he played high school football, but we bonded over our
love for college football and the Big Ten before we

(04:49):
even recorded podcasts. So I just kept egging them on,
I'm like, you know, let's go, let's do this, Like
how hard can this be? Let's figure this out, and
you know, here we are seven years later.

Speaker 1 (04:59):
Basically, Yeah, it's funny because I believe and I feel
like a lot of the reason of our success here
is simply, I mean, to be sure, we had a
little bit of talent, and.

Speaker 2 (05:12):
Drake had it.

Speaker 1 (05:14):
Has a crazy personality, and the chemistry between the three
of us is part of what made us successful enough
that we're still around. I think a lot of it, though,
was simply that no one else was doing it and
you are the one. Like I think technically, if we're
gonna go like former Iowa football players who have a
podcast longest running, I think you guys have us by

(05:36):
like two months, like a month, like a month. So
really you guys were around Okay, Yeah, so twenty eight
when did you get twenty eighteens?

Speaker 2 (05:44):
When we started? We did.

Speaker 1 (05:46):
We did not start until the Minnesota game of that season.
We recapped, we either recapped or previewed the Minnesota game,
which was, you know, five or six weeks into the
season of the twenty eighteen year, which was the first
season that we did not play, and I went back
and was trying to figure out when you guys started,
and it was like September of that year, like October

(06:08):
somewhere around there.

Speaker 4 (06:09):
Right, Yeah, it would have been. It would have been
actually that summer before that season started. The first podcast
we recorded was the Kentucky Derby of that year. We
had been enjoying the Kentucky Derby all day, so by
the time we hit record, we thought this was like
gold that we put out. We listened to it the

(06:30):
next day and we sounded like drunken buffoon. So I
don't think we ever even released that podcast, and then
we learned over time. But let me let me give
you guys props in that how you have adapted and
changed your podcast style. If I could say, like, I
think how you guys grabbed the audience at first was
telling you know, over the top stories and jokes. People

(06:52):
connected to that. Everybody wants to get invited into the
locker room if you will, of like a d one
football like that. So you guys did a great job
of doing that, if I could be so bold, it
maybe wasn't going to last that style forever. And I
think since then you have adapted, you know, Tyler I

(07:13):
think I would give you probably a big chunk of
that credit for keeping the thing going as much as
you can. But you know, you're a much better interviewer now,
you know that you were at the beginning. Nobody's a
great interviewer with that stuff at the beginning. So all
props to you guys for keeping will.

Speaker 1 (07:28):
I will gladly take the plat on the back anybody
watching the YouTube, by the way, if you are hit
a like, smash your face into the subscribe button.

Speaker 2 (07:35):
All that good stuff. Yeah, yes, yes to all of that.

Speaker 1 (07:39):
And I think in the beginning, out of purely we
didn't have anything else to bring to the table.

Speaker 2 (07:48):
That was just what it was going to be. Like, Hey,
you just got.

Speaker 1 (07:51):
Three meat heads on here who are twenty three years
old and they're not a shit, but they're kind of
funny and they have very very relevant and current stories.

Speaker 2 (08:01):
And know at that point, everybody.

Speaker 1 (08:03):
On the team, you know that next season we were,
you know, the true freshmen of that year. We didn't know,
but they weren't really relevant to the program yet. So
those other four classes that were in Iowa City, we
knew everybody, so week in week out we could tell
like these stories about the guys that then people were
watching on Saturdays, And of course there it is a

(08:26):
little bit weird because I do think that some of
the people who early on caught us in the first
year or two of what we were doing, if they
were to and maybe have stopped listening since because they
were turned off to that after a certain amount of time.
I think if they came back around, and I've seen
it a couple of times, people have said it like,
oh wow, I came back to this and this is
a little bit different than what it used to be.

(08:48):
And of course anytime Drake hops on, he's sort of
a rare occasion at this point because he's got life
that's going on and he's doing other things. But it
is very much so different than the first hundred episodes.
And I think that's necessary.

Speaker 2 (09:01):
Uh. I think you have to change and evolve in
anything in.

Speaker 1 (09:05):
Your career, as a partner, as a husband, all these
are But yeah, I do I do believe you're probably
onto something there. I think if we just would have
sat there and told a lot of those same stories
in the same tone, it probably would have dropped off
a little bit. Yeah, and there's still some really bad
episodes all the way through this thing up until now,
where like Kevin Kevin it, I brought Grant on just

(09:28):
for like a younger, non player perspective and that helped
a lot. Grant has been a huge upgrade to this show.
Vell you seriously have been and uh and there's been
some episodes where I've had to just hop on and
do a solo episode to keep the consistency rolling, and
it's just not great. But the consistency is ultimately what matters.

(09:49):
So yeah, you guys have us by just a couple
of months. And so to circle back around to that,
it matters because you also played for Coach Farence. So
we are you and I and keV and are the
are the longest running podcasters from the kf era.

Speaker 2 (10:04):
So there we go, and I do I do.

Speaker 4 (10:07):
Build a wall.

Speaker 1 (10:10):
I think that I think that you're right in the
sense of when you guys started your show, trying to
approach it from a broader Big ten perspective.

Speaker 2 (10:20):
Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (10:21):
Like I just started listening to McAfee back when he
started in like sixteen seventeen, I.

Speaker 2 (10:27):
Didn't know anything.

Speaker 1 (10:27):
I didn't know you could make money with podcasting, and
like now that we do like sponsorships, and we'll talk
about the Iowag Council here.

Speaker 2 (10:34):
In a little bit, but.

Speaker 1 (10:37):
All the stuff that we've done, like and with you guys,
I think the only people that we're probably doing any
sort of quality content was like the beat writers, right
I mean.

Speaker 4 (10:47):
Yeah, yeah, I mean and that's and that's where, you know,
I feel like the media has a job. I want
to be very clear. You know, like we've had Scott
Doctorman on the podcast. I love everything Scott Doctorman does.
He does a great job. I just felt like and
Kurt and I felt like our podcast needed to be

(11:07):
like our old tagline was by the fans, for the fans,
you know, like, yeah I played, but like I'm way
closer to being a fan now, you know than I
am an active player. And that's how I've been as
just a Iowa football fan first, a Big ten fan second,
a college football fan third. So that's what we were
trying to give the perspectives to the audience, because that's

(11:28):
who you're attracted, you know, like media guys, they're probably
not listening to the podcast. You're getting to the diehard
college football fans. That's what we've always been kind of
geared toward.

Speaker 2 (11:38):
Now.

Speaker 4 (11:38):
The thing that's been interesting about it is, you know,
we thought that it was going to be a smashing
success in that Big Ten fans. We're gonna fight, We're
gonna say, man, we finally got a podcast. You know,
that's our voice. It's not you know, the sec stuff.
And we certainly have grabbed a ton of you know,

(11:59):
if you could market share with them inside the football community.
But then you find out that, like a lot of
fan bases, they just want their own content. They just
want to be wrapped up in what they want to hear.
They don't want somebody else telling them bad news. Michigan
and Ohio State fans really do hate each other. Sometimes

(12:20):
you'll get fans that will hate listen if like Michigan
loses a big game, you'll pick up Ohio State fans
that week. Stuff like that. That's been interesting to figure out.
And then the funniest thing is, and I don't know
if you've noticed this too, Tyler, but the best numbers
are at the beginning of the football season. You know,
like theoretically, if everybody in the Big Ten can go

(12:43):
undefeated out of conference, so we have as much winning
football going on into October. Our numbers are high, but
inevitably you have two or three, you know, teams that'll
start losing games the numbers drop down. Can't do anything
about that. That's that's just the nature of the beame.

Speaker 1 (12:59):
Absolutely the numbers on the backside of things are we
call them the numbers around here, and it's uh, they
are interesting to say the least.

Speaker 2 (13:08):
Twenty twenty one, it's good year.

Speaker 1 (13:11):
It's a good year up until one specific week, and
it was it was absolutely our peak of this podcast,
Like we had the most listenership by a long shot.

Speaker 2 (13:22):
I'm not I'm not going to go through the numbers
because no one cares.

Speaker 1 (13:25):
But it was when we beat Penn State and Petrice
completed that past her Nico that following week.

Speaker 2 (13:33):
We've never had a response that great.

Speaker 1 (13:36):
I mean, when when you're winning, when you're winning and
you're undefeated, or they were five and six and one
at that point, whatever, and you're ranked number two in
the country, like.

Speaker 2 (13:45):
Hey, I'd love to hear about it.

Speaker 1 (13:47):
When you lose to Iowa State in week two, it's
not it's not good.

Speaker 2 (13:55):
Nobody shows up.

Speaker 1 (13:56):
And I understand it from from the creator standpoint. It
hurts me because I am trying to build this brand.
It's built on numbers and downloads, and it's like, I
know we lost, but like, come along, we'll we'll make
it better. We'll talk it out. Well, we'll make it
so it's not so bad. But like people do not

(14:17):
talk talk it out.

Speaker 4 (14:18):
Yeah, talk it out.

Speaker 1 (14:19):
People don't want to relive the loss. They like emotionally
they cannot handle it. And so I totally get it
at this point.

Speaker 2 (14:27):
I'm numb to it. When we lose a lot of times,
I don't even look at the numbers. I'm not I'm like,
screw it.

Speaker 1 (14:32):
We're just gonna keep doing what we're doing because it
doesn't matter.

Speaker 2 (14:37):
But if the Hawks could.

Speaker 1 (14:38):
Go twelve and oh damn, the podcast podcast sure would
enjoy that.

Speaker 2 (14:43):
The brand would love that.

Speaker 1 (14:45):
And yeah, it's tough for you guys because it's like,
you know, generally the big you know, across the span
of fourteen or eighteen teams like you guys are gonna
get you know, half the conference. One third of the
conference is gonna do well, and one third is gonna
do okay, and one third is gonna suck. And like
that's just gonna be the way it is every year,
so you're never gonna get this like, oh, everyone did great,

(15:05):
but yeah, it's uh, it probably is interesting from you guys,
And you're right about the Ohio State, Michigan State hate listening.
Iowa State fans, especially because we're in the state of
Iowa and it we're my social has exposure to people
in the state of Iowa. Iowa State fans will come
in and listen to the.

Speaker 2 (15:23):
Preview of that week. Uh, Nebraska fans.

Speaker 1 (15:26):
We have a great guy, Jeremiah Searles who played for Nebraska.

Speaker 2 (15:31):
He'll come in and preview Nebraska.

Speaker 1 (15:32):
We get a ton of Nebraska fans that come in
and listen that week. It is funny though it's it's hilarious,
and yeah it's I I respect you guys as I
respect anybody who continues to do it because it's tough.
I don't think it sounds so dumb to tell people
that it's tough to like keep doing a podcast every week.

(15:56):
It's tough and nobody really understand, Like what what do
you attribute your guys's consistency to.

Speaker 4 (16:04):
Stubbornness. I just love I've been on enough. Yeah, I
do love doing it. Absolutely. Certainly, some podcasts are going
to have topics that are just more fun to talk about,
so you know, naturally are going to be more excited
to go at it. Number one for me all the
time is just talking about live football. I mean, I
freaking love this sport. I love breaking down what I

(16:26):
think I'm going to see. I love breaking down what
we just saw. You know, that is the top of
the line for me. And then we have some fun
other you know pods that we do. The one we
have upcoming is always one of our best rated ones.
It's the ranking spot, So we rank something fun and
then we rank the big ten coaches from bottom to top.
That always gets you know, people's blood boiled one way

(16:48):
or that can take now, oh yeah right, eighteen teams
like you start doing the math right eighteen times three
minutes on each and that's your episode. You got a
whole podcast right there. Yeah, yeah, it's it's ridiculous. Like
we always have to constantly remind ourselves of you know,
when we and like when we did the team grades postview,
we had to break that up into too. You know,

(17:10):
nineteen pods you can't do. You can't do eighteen and
one it would be a two hour pod. People will
get sick of listening at talk. But mostly you know,
I've gotten I've gotten interviewed by several other podcasts, a
couple of radio stations, things like that. People ask, you know,
what's the secret. I just say, you've got to keep
hitting record. I mean, that is the number one thing.
Just keep hitting the record button and see what happens.

Speaker 1 (17:33):
I would I would agree with that, and I've told
people that as well, Like, and I think I knew
that from the beginning. I don't know why I knew that,
but I knew that if you if your consistency is
the number one thing, it's hard to deny you, right,
like at some point, and honestly, it probably stems from
my time in fitness and the exercise industry, Like, I

(17:55):
know how much it matters to exercise every week on
a consistent basis, whether it's three or five times a week,
even if it's twenty minutes a day, that is going
to add up months over years in your life.

Speaker 2 (18:09):
You're going to see the benefits of that.

Speaker 1 (18:11):
And so I just kind of approached the podcast with
the same mentality of like, if it's good, it's good.

Speaker 2 (18:16):
If it's not.

Speaker 1 (18:17):
We'll try and get better, but as long as it's there,
the consistency is going to get you past ninety five
percent of your competitors, because eventually someone's gonna fall.

Speaker 2 (18:26):
Off, they're going to stop doing it.

Speaker 4 (18:28):
Yeah, and maybe there's a little maybe there's a little
Coach Farence in there. Oh yeah. This has the same
message over over and over again until it eventually soaks
into our dumb fiction. Yeah, you know when we're when
we're young men like that.

Speaker 1 (18:41):
Let's say, ninety nine percent of any successful thing I've
done from the time I was eighteen until now is
probably attributed some way to Coach Farence or Coach Doyle
or somebody in that program or just the program in general.

Speaker 2 (18:54):
So and that's you know, that's kind of why we're here.

Speaker 1 (18:57):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (18:57):
You were a part of that program.

Speaker 1 (18:58):
And you have such an interesting sort of place in
Iowa history where you got the intersect of Coach Frye
and Coach Farrence. You were, as you told me in
the email this morning, class of two thousand at Iowa.
Uh and was that was that the exact class of
LeVar and Casper?

Speaker 4 (19:18):
So yeah, so you guys were in the same class yeah,
Casper LaVar and I. LeVar and I were roommates all
through college. I still consider him one of my best
friends to this day. He's probably gripping the steering wheel
right now of his suv listening to this, like, oh God,
what does he got to say? But you know, no, no,

(19:39):
no huge stories here, but like my roommates. So we
lived on the Davenport Dungeon, right Davenport Streets. We had
a house. We had a long snapper, Fad Sheldon. I
don't know if you don't that he's in he's in Towmas.
We had Greg McLaughlin. We had a kicker, so we
had two specialists on the team. I was I was
mostly a d back, so we got a d back there,

(19:59):
and then we got a linebacker with LeVar, so we
pretty much lined up with the Washtoff walk Ons for
That's incredible.

Speaker 1 (20:05):
I like the parallel is amazing you. Casper, by the way,
still relevant this time of year every year. He just
posted it today on his social media because he still
holds the record for the pro agility at the NFL Combine.
Twenty years later. Five years later, I ran a three

(20:25):
seven three. He is an absolute physical specimen, built, different,
alien freak, whatever term you want to use. And I
know he was that way obviously back then when he
was twenty twenty two.

Speaker 2 (20:37):
He is still today at forty whatever. What was it?

Speaker 4 (20:42):
Like, my biggest claim, my biggest claim to fame is
I've just never gotten fat. That's what I give myself
the most credit for it, you know, huge. And then
you look at you look at him and every not.
You know, like we're Facebook friends and you'll see a
picture of the shirt off. You're like, god, damn it,
I didn't need to see that. You know, I'm having
a pretty good day here, and make me feel And
the funny thing is he was he was like that,

(21:04):
you know, a fitness freak all the time, a quick
Casper story. And I doubt he would, you know, care
that I told this because it's hilarious. But you know,
back in the day, this is the nineties, right, and
you could smoke in bars. Oh yeah, we're smoking all
the time. And he hated smoke. And his funniest thing
that he would do, He's like, hey, man, can I
can I bum the smoke? And like yeah, and he

(21:26):
would take the cigarette and just toss it right on
the ground and put it out right in front of
the guy, said.

Speaker 2 (21:32):
Casper.

Speaker 5 (21:32):
A bunch of brawls then and down at a.

Speaker 4 (21:35):
No, and I was sitting here, I mean no, probably
not right, something like that, but yeah, I mean all that, yeah,
but that, Yeah, the two thousand class. I mean, I
know for a while Coach Farence would talk about the
two thousand class in that you know, it didn't work

(21:57):
out for us, certainly how we wanted it to. When
we got to Iowa in ninety six. I can still
remember in two thousand our senior year. So that's Coach
Farrence's second year with the program, and you know, we
we got better the previous year in ninety nine, believe
it or not, you know, at one in ten. But

(22:18):
you head into two thousand and I mean, I really,
I really thought we were going to be a lot better,
and we were, but it didn't take hold until the
end of the year. We beat a ranked Penn State team,
we beat a rank Northwestern team, but a couple of
weeks before that we were mathematically eliminated to go to
a bowl, and he after our first team meeting after

(22:40):
that loss, he dismissed the whole team except for the seniors,
and he was in tears and he cried and said,
I am so sorry. I wanted to get you guys
to a bowl game your senior year. You deserve it
and I will never forget that. I remember thinking, like,
you know, what's he crying about. We're the ones, you know,
not getting it done type of deal. And then the

(23:02):
next year, two thousand and one was you know, part
of the breakthrough as well. They went to the Alimobile
and middle of February something like that. I'm living in
a crappy apartment, you know, in Minnesota. I don't even
know how he got my address, and he sent an
alimable watch to all of us, you know, seniors from

(23:23):
two thousand Thank you for the hard work. The hard
work you put in is is why we were able
to have success. Great things are happening moving forward in
Iowa football. I mean, I still got the watch. It's
completely broken, doesn't work anymore, but it's obviously a souvenir. So,
like you know, I've got more Kirk Ferrets stories, but
like that's the stuff that he does. Obviously. When I

(23:47):
see people on Twitter say fire Kirk Farans after we
go down seven to nothing, it's hard for me to
just you know, sit back and deal with that like
a normal person. Should I get pissed? You know right away.
I'm not saying the guy, you know is perfect, you know,
the only perfect person was nailed to a cross. But
he's a pretty awesome coach. People that don't recognize that,

(24:11):
in my estimation, just don't recognize college football.

Speaker 2 (24:15):
Yeah, there's a lot there.

Speaker 1 (24:16):
First of all, wow that it doesn't surprise me in
the least. It sounds exactly like coach KF. But to
hear that was going on, I mean, that would have
been fifteen years almost before we came in, Like, and
he's in his I mean just and when KF cries,
it's just like we just talked about this with Nick

(24:38):
Jackson or whoever it was. It's like, man, you can
tell how much this guy loves football and has really
put every ounce of his soul into what he's doing.
And it's just like it's hard not to get behind that, right, Like,
that's the general of the army right there, and yep,
very cool that he did. That doesn't PRIs me at

(25:00):
all that he found your address at some crappy apartment
in Minnesota, because the guy has powers, he has his ways,
and like if he saw you on the street, he
would call you out by name today and you'd be
like absolutely, what is going on? And then uh yeah,
when people when people say stuff about firing him on Twitter,

(25:22):
which is very.

Speaker 2 (25:23):
Easy to do, I get it.

Speaker 1 (25:24):
It's just a shit app where you just can spew
whatever you want. It does it strikes a chord with
people who actually know him.

Speaker 4 (25:34):
And I don't know if you've ever done this, but
every now and then a couple Hawkey accounts that I
feel like I've gotten to know, even if I, you know,
don't really know them. They'll go nuts after a loss
and I'll and I'll just kind of let it go,
and then I'll kind of slide into their DMS the
next day and be like, so do you do you

(25:54):
really want Kirk Ferens fire every single time? Oh? No,
no no, And I'm like, okay, you know, like maybe
you could you could try not tweeting that out ten
minutes after the Yeah, you know, give that a shot.
Just give yourself a little space. Understand that it's impossible
to win every single, you know, football contest at this level,

(26:16):
and you know, give yourself a little space. But I
mean fan is short for fanatic. You know, it's a
it's a saying that's probably overused, but that's that's the facts,
you know, and that's what that's what fuels college football,
college football fans. It's it's it's tough to do where
that line is.

Speaker 1 (26:32):
Sometimes my favorite is and I've I've gotten better about anymore.
Every year I think I try less and less to
engage because it just isn't healthy for me. Like I'm
about to have my second kid and I've got I've
got thank you. I don't say that for congrats, just
like I have other things going on in life.

Speaker 2 (26:52):
That are way more important than I should spend my
time on.

Speaker 1 (26:55):
But every once in a while, I'll interact just to
have a little fun same thing, have conversation, try and
get past the big you know, the big dog talk,
and like see what people are actually trying to get at,
Like what are you actually mad about? Do you have
real thoughts that like are coherent and make sense and
are logical. Most of the time they don't. And I'll

(27:15):
have these with people in those same situations. It's an hour,
two hours, maybe just the day of a game, a
tough game, whatever, and then I'll get I'll get a DM.
It'll be about two or three days later. It's sometime
in the middle of the next week, and it's from
that account that I was having a back and forth
with and they're like, hey, I.

Speaker 2 (27:32):
Want to apologize. Da da da da da.

Speaker 1 (27:36):
I was drinking with my buddies or like, I was
just really fired up.

Speaker 2 (27:40):
And I get it.

Speaker 1 (27:43):
It's not something I relate with because I'm not really
I don't really drink, but.

Speaker 2 (27:47):
I get it. It's just, man, people are crazy.

Speaker 1 (27:51):
And then it's crazy how people feed off of that
and they think that those are good.

Speaker 2 (27:57):
Ideas and it's just like it when you and yeah.

Speaker 1 (28:01):
And for a long time, I like tried to think
I was super unbiased about it. I was like, yes,
I was a player, I played for the man, I
played for these coaches, I played for this program.

Speaker 2 (28:10):
But I have a pretty unbiased view.

Speaker 1 (28:12):
And I think at this point I'm like big enough
to admit, like, yes, I have a bias, but I
think it's a pretty logical bias that I that I
approached the conversations with. And it's just like some of
these things you get into is is nuts and you
engage a lot like from what I can tell, I mean,
it's probably why you've been able to build a following
alongside the fact that you put out really good stuff
about the Big.

Speaker 2 (28:31):
Ten, about the Hawkeys. You know, you have almost eight
thousand followers.

Speaker 1 (28:36):
Like you subject yourself to a lot of that by engaging,
and you have a lot of these like I just
saw you conversing back and forth with some Huskers a
couple of days ago. It's I'm like, man, he's dipping
his toe in like I just I kind of watched
from Afar. Yeah, and it's like it's entertaining.

Speaker 4 (28:52):
Yeah, I'll give it that I shouldn't. Let's be honest.
You know, I'm a forty seven year old man. I
should grow up and I do it, And I definitely
will say I I don't do it as much as
I used to. Every now and then you just are like,
I got nothing going on tonight, you know, I might
as well just go back and forth. And the funniest

(29:14):
thing with the recent one is, by the way, how
awesome was that duel win for the Hawks over Oklahoma
Steak on Sunday night. I Mean, Angelo Ferrari ripping that
out was absolutely so all I did, was, you know,
tweet out the video with him showing the three points,
which was baller like. He showed the three points as

(29:34):
the ref was showing the three points, you know for sure,
and that's it. I just said, it's it's, you know
what a great moment or whatever. Nebraska fans then twisted
that into oh yeah, you know, not shaking the hands
before the Iowa Nebraska game. I should have just let
it go. There was no correlation in my mind, you know,

(29:57):
like it's two different sports. The setup for both things
are completely different. The match was over when Ferrari did that,
you know in the first place. But anyways, you know,
and then I'll go another month without really engaging too
much with people because you know, you take some time off.
But every now and then, you know, once a month,
you just have some fun.

Speaker 1 (30:16):
Yeah, it's uh, it's it's a spot where if you
want entertainment you can find it.

Speaker 2 (30:21):
That's for sure.

Speaker 4 (30:22):
That's for sure. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (30:24):
Did you so you come into the class of ninety
six high school?

Speaker 2 (30:28):
Class of ninety six is what you were?

Speaker 4 (30:30):
Yep?

Speaker 2 (30:31):
And you were a DBI was there?

Speaker 4 (30:36):
Not really not technically I was a running back when
I came in pretty pale skin for that Betan community.
So Betton community. Rhys Morgan coached that at my high
school for years and years and years, so he kind
of laid the foundation for Beton football. And then my

(31:00):
older brother Doug actually played football at Iowa as well.
He started on the nineteen ninety Rose Bowl team. My
middle brother went to Drake. He started for three years
at Drake, played with Chris Ash you know him now.
So yeah, by the time I came around, it was expected,

(31:22):
you know, to play football and play it well and
lucky enough to get scholarship a couple different scholarships. I
was just thinking the other day, by the way, speaking
of how dumb yard I remember, like I just like
my whole goal was just a D one scholarship, D
one scholarship. I would wake up to work out my
junior year before my senior year, D one scholarship, D

(31:42):
one scholarship, Like it was. I was obsessive with it.
And I was getting offers from to me. D one
was Iowa and Iowa State and Penn State. Okay, that
was D one. And I remember I was getting letters
from northern Iowa and my Dad's like, why are you
not open the letters up and I'm like, I just
want d one. He goes, you dumb ass, that's a

(32:04):
d one school right there. You know, Like I'll just to,
you know, tell a story about how dumb you are
when you're seventeen, eighteen, nineteen years old. Like I couldn't
even like fathom that. By the way, shout out to
Jim and Kathy my parents. They're the best people in
the world. Were awesome parents. But yeah, anyway, as I
kind of went off on a tangent there, but you know,

(32:26):
with my older brothers playing college football, with Doug playing
at Iowa, I was around Iowa football to the time
from when I was ten years old. Brett Bulma was
Doug's roommate in college, so like you know, Al Cross,
Jim Hartleeb, like these were the roommates. So like a
normal day for me when I was twelve years old

(32:49):
was going to watch my brother play in Kinnick Stadium
and then go into a restaurant with all of his
teammates and buddies to you know, have pizza and hang
out with my parents and them, and then going home,
you know, Like so the Iowa football experience was in
my DNA for an early age, so obviously getting the
chance then to be scholarship to go to Iowa. I

(33:11):
mean it was it was a lifelong day.

Speaker 1 (33:12):
Yeah, certainly for myself as well. I was also trying
to get a D one scholarship. I was less successful.
Did eventually get there though, So that that's all that matters.

Speaker 4 (33:24):
Hey, I that's even more.

Speaker 1 (33:27):
I wouldn't and I wouldn't trade my actual experience for
a scholarship right out of high school anyway.

Speaker 2 (33:35):
And now we have this podcast too, so I mean
there you go. You come in and wow, it's so interesting.

Speaker 1 (33:44):
You you had coach Fry who would have been a
part of your recruitment, and then the switch in the
middle of your career.

Speaker 2 (33:52):
How crazy is that? What do you remember from that?

Speaker 4 (33:57):
Yeah, like to give people to give the audio, it's
a span like when I was a freshman, said Shaw.
Kerrie Cooks, Tim dwighte Jared Devrees were the upper classmen.
By the time I left. It was Na Cating, Bob Sanders,
Dallas Clark, you know those. So that's the span of eras.

(34:21):
So like like getting there, it nothing is what you
think it's going to be, you know, Like I just
saw snapshots of how things were when I was so
much younger to get on campus, you know, and then
to actually start running around playing football with grown ass men.
I mean that is like, I love how you guys

(34:44):
break that stuff down on the podcast. And before I forget,
I just want to say, you know, I didn't play
much at Iowa, and it's still something that it hurts
me to this day. You know, like you don't go
to a football program in college to say, you know,
like that, nobody wants that. I did a lot of sitting.
As the joke goes, people asked me, did you play

(35:05):
football at Iowa? I was joke and say, well, I
practiced a lot at Iowa. But you guys talking about
it so openly on the podcast and like talking about
walking around the football complex, you know, feeling like a
second rate citizen. I'm not sure, you know, you never
sight you know, exact, but like listening to you guys

(35:27):
talk about it, it's it's cathartic for me, you know,
even in my advancing years. So I shout out to
you guys for throwing that stuff out good.

Speaker 1 (35:36):
Yeah, uh yeah, I mean I guess if if anything
were I'm very content, uh and over over the top.

Speaker 2 (35:46):
Happy with how my time went.

Speaker 1 (35:48):
But I'm not like there were and yeah, I think
there's part of that is like the reality of like
I was, I was a manager.

Speaker 2 (35:56):
I was basically a manager my first year, like that,
I was.

Speaker 6 (36:00):
No.

Speaker 2 (36:00):
I think if you asked one day, I.

Speaker 1 (36:02):
Hope we get Coach Farents on this podcast or maybe
some of the other guys have maybe a little bit
more candid conversations where I asked their serious, real opinion
of Hey, freshman year twenty thirteen, did you think this
guy was gonna make it? I bet they all say no, no,
we'd like this. There was a good chance he was
not going to make it. And that was that wasn't
just from a football standpoint, but like you know, some

(36:23):
academics just the way I was fitting in on the team,
and so like yeah, and Kevin Drake, like.

Speaker 2 (36:29):
Again, we all walked on, we all paid paid our way.

Speaker 5 (36:33):
Well, even a certain player did think Kevin was a
manager when he was a Sea.

Speaker 2 (36:36):
Yeah, a J F Panessa.

Speaker 1 (36:37):
We tell that story all the time, like he five
star walks in first camp and he legitimately thought Kevin
was a manager. So you know, like it helped that
our careers turned out the way they did, and Kevin
got you know, eventually became a.

Speaker 2 (36:52):
Captain, and we're all very comfortable with with the way
our careers turned out.

Speaker 1 (36:59):
It makes it easier to talk about the less, you know,
fancy times in the first two to three years. I'm
glad that it strikes home a little bit. But and
I've heard of that from other guys as well. Probably
wouldn't be as easy to talk about and make fun
of if we would have washed out truly.

Speaker 2 (37:17):
But then again, maybe no one would be listening to
us either, So there's.

Speaker 1 (37:21):
That yeah, yeah, But back to so, I just find
it very interesting because we're in a similar spot right now,
Jeff where in my opinion, and maybe we can get
into this on the second half here. In my opinion,
I think not. I think KF is at the end.

Speaker 2 (37:37):
Of his career.

Speaker 1 (37:40):
His contract, I believe is through twenty nine. I highly
doubt he makes it through twenty nine. In my opinion,
I think that this upcoming season could be his last year.
I think this is the first legitimate year where you
can start to point things out of like, hey, he's
probably going to get that record that he's very close
to Yeah, he's already gone through all the twenty twenty stuff,
all of the COVID stuff, Like, there isn't a lot

(38:02):
left for him to do. Combine with the factors of
the expansion, nil, the portal. As much as KF is
great at the job, it's just a lot to handle.

Speaker 2 (38:15):
As you get older and older, you feel like you've
done what.

Speaker 1 (38:18):
You can do, and it's just like, Hey, I want
to enjoy my time on this earth, not fourteen hours
a day at.

Speaker 2 (38:23):
A football complex anymore. Is this is last year?

Speaker 1 (38:27):
I don't know, but we're nearing a situation where they're
recruiting guys to the building now who likely aren't going
to have the same head coach when they leave, if
they see their whole career.

Speaker 2 (38:37):
As when they walked in. And you're one of those
at IOWA, that's just not that doesn't happen.

Speaker 1 (38:41):
You can't find very many of those people. So what
was it like in that transition? Do you remember when
Coach Fry brought you guys in and said, hey, guys,
I'm done and that first meeting with Coach Farence.

Speaker 2 (38:51):
What was all that like?

Speaker 4 (38:53):
Yeah, definitely surreal. I'll probably disappoint you a little bit
exactly how much of the details. Sure, I remember it's
been a poke, but you know, getting recruited, like I
knew how old coach Fry was, you know, like the
rumors were already swirling. Then for me, I wanted to

(39:15):
play in Iowa. I wanted to play for a legendary coach.
If I got him for one, two or five years
or or whatever. I think you'll still get a lot
of kids in state that would feel the same way
with coach Farens. I don't know for sure, you know,
none of us do exactly how long he's going to be.
The one thing I would say is I don't think
he wants to do anything else. I don't need. That's

(39:36):
a huge so I like, I hear you with the record,
he's gonna get it next year. It's an absolutely amazing
career milestone that people should be to talk about for years.
But yet that's we know that's that's not what he
drives for. It's stuff like that, So we we know that.
So I don't know, we'll see, you know, as far

(39:58):
as how the transition went, you know, when coach Fry retired,
it it felt like there was a loss in the family.
You know, that's what it felt like for for me
and my family. Like Coach Fry used to always walk
up to my dad and walk up to me and say, Jeff,
I like your dad because he always laughs at my jokes.
He would always say that to me, you know, just

(40:19):
a great dude. And like then it's this this unknown
and then I hear kirk ference and I you know, truth,
truth be told. This is before internet. I did not
know who kirk ference was. Anybody, my older brother, not
a lot of people. My older brother was one of
them that did because he had time with Coach Farence

(40:43):
as an old line coach when he was at Iowa.
He immediately got a hold of me and said, this
guy is an absolute stud. You're going to love him.
So he had and this is my older brother's role.
He would he was always good at gassing me up,
you know, and like he was right. You know, obviously
what he said about coach parents wound up being true.

(41:06):
Here we are sitting here twenty five years later and
he's still the coach more than so you know that,
and then it's just it's everything's new after that, not
that we didn't do strength and conditioning before. Coach Doyle
got there. I can assure you the intensity stepped up
a level when Doyle walked in that room. That was

(41:29):
something I screwed up. You know, at that time was
not understanding I needed to match that intensity on a
daily basis and you know everything that goes along with that.
So like whenever I see new coaches come into a program,
especially when they're basically brand new to the program, even

(41:50):
in the year you know, the nil and transfer portal
years that we're in now, I still think to myself,
there is a lot of work that has to be done.
And coach Parents knew what that work was. And he
never got off the path, you know, like he knew
the path that he wanted it to be on. He
knew the path that he wanted us to be on.

(42:12):
I wanted full disclosure. I struggled with it big time. Okay,
Like you know, you look back, I was only twenty one,
and you know, you think you're old at that time.
You're not old, Tony. I'm sorry, I know you're twenty two,
but you know, like you have a lot of emotional
things to figure out. And I struggled and I have
bad days and Coach Farans, you know, stuck with me,

(42:35):
brought me into his office and said, I know you're
a good guy. I know you come from a good family.
You know, like stick it out, And thank god I
listened to him. You know, I wrote him a letter
ten twelve years ago once I got older, and just said,
you probably don't remember doing this, but I just wanted
to let you know how much it's meant to me,
you know, throughout the years. I don't mean to gush

(42:55):
again about Coach Farents, but that was what you believed,
you know, looking back, was like you you felt what
Coach Ferrence was saying was to be trusted. And I
think every IOWA football player in the last twenty five
years can basically say the same thing.

Speaker 1 (43:14):
Yeah, you put it about as good as you could
put it, and we've tried.

Speaker 2 (43:18):
To describe it on the show a million times.

Speaker 1 (43:20):
I just don't think you truly understand it until you
you get to see him in action, and even people's
brief interactions with him.

Speaker 2 (43:29):
I've heard that people are just blown away.

Speaker 1 (43:31):
But when you get him for even more time, you
know he's walking around the weight room, or you know,
you see him in the hallway before a meeting and
you actually get two or three minutes of uninterrupted conversation
that builds on the previous conversation that you had and
something that you talked about with him in the meeting
that you're trying to work on that year and grow
that over one, two, four or five years.

Speaker 2 (43:52):
It's just you just realize like he really truly.

Speaker 1 (43:55):
Was made to do what he's doing, and it's not
it's not something thing that you can I'm not even
sure that as a coach he could instill that in
other people.

Speaker 2 (44:06):
It was just something that he has innately and.

Speaker 1 (44:09):
It's made him incredible and enough that.

Speaker 2 (44:16):
Enough that we talk about it all the time on
this show.

Speaker 1 (44:19):
So before we move on, and I'm surprised I haven't
done this, we want to talk about the egg council grant.

Speaker 2 (44:28):
We don't want to leave the egg Council out here.

Speaker 5 (44:30):
It's my favorite.

Speaker 2 (44:31):
I had five eggs this morning, did you, nice baller?
I don't know how many I had.

Speaker 1 (44:38):
Probably didn't because you don't eat breakfast because how much
is in the Chick fil A breakfast burrito or whatever eggs?

Speaker 2 (44:43):
How many eggs are that I would say maybe a
half egg? I don't know. I have never had a
Chick fil A breakfast burrito.

Speaker 1 (44:51):
I like Taco John's, but anything that has eggs in it,
I'm a fan of.

Speaker 4 (44:54):
I like I said, five eggs, five eggs. Tyler, you're
a big spender here, I.

Speaker 1 (45:00):
I'll say, I will say right now, incredible time for
the IOEAG Council will be part of the show because
it shows.

Speaker 2 (45:04):
How much money I have. I am rich.

Speaker 1 (45:07):
I buy all the eggs. If you want eggs, I'm
keeping them.

Speaker 2 (45:10):
Like Fort Knox.

Speaker 1 (45:11):
I know that Fort Knock or wherever that is is
about to be they're going to audit that. Somebody might
have to come to my house and audit how many
eggs I have because I have a lot. People know
I do the CrossFit stuff around here. We have to
maintain muscle mass, maintain weight. Best way to do that
every morning, start your day off with five eggs. IOEAG

(45:32):
Council got a fun fact for you guys. You many
hens Iowa has producing eggs.

Speaker 2 (45:39):
Every year three I guess it's three hundred thousand.

Speaker 1 (45:42):
They have millions forty five million hens who produce fifteen
billion eggs a year.

Speaker 2 (45:52):
How incredible is that.

Speaker 5 (45:54):
We still don't got enough eggs?

Speaker 1 (45:56):
Number one egg producing state in the country.

Speaker 2 (46:00):
Shout up, are yes, sir.

Speaker 5 (46:03):
Take that, and I'm eating all of them.

Speaker 1 (46:06):
By the way, For those that are wondering, there's a reason.
It's not just because I love eggs. You start your
morning off with protein. It's incredible for your body. I'm
not going to go into the science of that, but
trust me, it's like, it's likely that I look better
than you the listener right now, muscular muscular wise, and
there's a reason for that.

Speaker 5 (46:25):
Are you just turning the This is we're supposed to
be talking about the eggs is supposed to be This
is about.

Speaker 2 (46:30):
This isn't about me, It's about eggs.

Speaker 5 (46:32):
Sorry, well, the egg the egg thing could be a
bald joke if we want to go, if we want
to make it, you could make it into a little time.

Speaker 4 (46:39):
That's how you want.

Speaker 1 (46:39):
Should I get an egg next time and get a
little tilot clover going around in here?

Speaker 2 (46:43):
You put a beard on the egg.

Speaker 4 (46:46):
O beard, put some headphones on it.

Speaker 1 (46:49):
The people in the discord, any of the hardcore listeners
could probably come up with a little photoshop action of that.

Speaker 2 (46:53):
But shout out to the Egg Council for sponsoring us
this year.

Speaker 1 (46:57):
So somewhere in that, Jeff, you have a uh you
said you didn't play a lot, so you were probably
on the scout team. There had to be some kind
of welcome to the Big ten moment, and everybody usually
has a good one. Mine was fortunately not a collision
that I had, but more of a oh wow, that
guy's way faster than me made me lose my ankles.

Speaker 2 (47:20):
So what was yours?

Speaker 4 (47:21):
Okay, so ninety six? Uh so, back in the day,
the defensive assistant basically ran the offensive scout team. Okay,
and that guy's name was Bobby Diaco. Okay, who I
think we most most guys? Yeah, yeah, So Bobby Diaco

(47:42):
is the scout team coach. Shout out to one of
my best friends who was a roommate, Henry Polio, And
so Henry and Bobby Diaco were both from Jersey, so
the Diaco was just in, you know Henry's grill all
the time, you know, give him shit. By the way,
Henry Polio one of the greatest blocking fullbacks in the
history of Iowa. I know I'm biased, but that guy's helmet,

(48:05):
when his head was in his helmet, it was like
a five Gallon home depot bucket filled with Kyler Like
that's how hard that dude's head was. So and one
of the guys that he would have cracked heads with
on a daily basis was I'm curious if either one
of you know these you know these names. So ninety
six starting linebackers were Vernon Rollins and Matt Hughes names I.

Speaker 2 (48:29):
Know, Matt Hughes, I've never heard, never heard of Vernon.

Speaker 4 (48:33):
Matt Matt hws in town, great linebacker Texas. Vernon Rollins
one of the baddest mofos that has ever wore the uniform,
I assure you, big dude from Jersey. His nickname was
Deebo because he looked and acted exactly like Debo from Friday.
Just a mean food. But anyways, anyway, so I'm scout

(48:55):
team running back and and I remember it was forty
three pop out. So I run up and I was
pretty physical running back, and you know, maybe the senior
guys weren't ready for it yet, and I kinda ran
through a couple guys, you know, and I got up, like, man,
this is going to be easier than maybe I thought
it was gonna be. Like that was a pretty physical

(49:16):
run and then about three plays later, same play, I
run through and Vernon Rollins cleaned me up, and I
remember walking back to the huddle and I thought my spine.
I thought people should be looking at me weird because
I thought my spine and neck got indented for how

(49:37):
hard he hit me. And Bobby Diaco is laughing his
ass off and he goes, I bets, you never got
hit that hard on the farm, did you, farm boys?
And he is dying laughing.

Speaker 5 (49:51):
From like a Disney script that he was quoting from.

Speaker 4 (49:56):
Well, he walked around dressed like Rocky from Rocky you know,
remember when he was doing the trading in Russia. That
was pretty much how he dressed all the time. So
I tell you what, Like, I remember thinking that I
got hit hard a couple times in high school. You
don't know what it's like to get hit hard until

(50:16):
a grown ass, big ten football player.

Speaker 2 (50:18):
Yeah, it was.

Speaker 1 (50:19):
You're describing the perfect situation because this happens every year,
is some freshman gets one on the on the starters
because they don't understand the tempo.

Speaker 2 (50:31):
And this is something that I rarely had to deal with.

Speaker 1 (50:33):
It did sort of happen on punt and special teams occasionally,
but like very very limited reps of it where it
was happening all the time on the offensive defensive side
of the ball.

Speaker 2 (50:42):
The seniors, the guys who start there, they've got a
lot of reps.

Speaker 1 (50:45):
They don't want to hurt their bodies. They're trying to
go at like an eighty five percent when.

Speaker 2 (50:50):
You hit somebody.

Speaker 1 (50:51):
You learn how to hit somebody in practice to make
it look good for the coaches. But it doesn't hurt
as bad as it would in a game where if
you were going actual full speed. And freshmen don't understand that,
especially freshmen who are like, oh, I'm gonna earn my spot,
I'm about to pull a yeah, I gotta make a
name for myself. And so inevitably freshman makes a big play,

(51:12):
a big tackle, and everybody kind of looks around at
each other, like, Okay, we have to baptize the kid
now because he thinks he thinks that that's how it's
gonna go. And I watched it time after time, uh
like like you know, like a scout team linebacker shoots
a gap and it's and gets gets one on the offense.

(51:33):
And then now Brandon Sheriff has to go kill somebody, right,
And it was amazing, especially with Brandon still playing today
for a reason, and it's because he's an absolute specimen.
But that that's a great story. Uh and Diaco.

Speaker 2 (51:50):
Adds to it. That's that's that's hilarious.

Speaker 1 (51:52):
We've never had a Hayden Fry impersonation, by the way,
from earlier when you're talking about your uh, you.

Speaker 2 (51:58):
Know, we get a lot of like people like my
KF or when we do the KF.

Speaker 1 (52:02):
We've never had anybody from the Hayden. So that's it's
the first Hayden Fry impression. Something we can't do around here.

Speaker 4 (52:08):
I am. I am honored by that. There's a lot
of Coach Fry players you know that are out there
that would be great. And Brian Hurley he was he
was an ex Coach Fry. You know, he's got his
own He does a really good job with the Hawkey website,
you know, keeping it up for players. There's there's some
good good how about Anthony Hyah, my gosh, he's on

(52:29):
the Big ten Network. He had a lot, he had
a couple of years with Coach frye you got some
good one.

Speaker 1 (52:34):
If I failed in any pursuit. With this podcast, it's
to dive deeper into the the I'm not going to
call you old, but the older guys, guys who are
before my time outside of like the legends, right, We've
had Greenway, We've had abdul on, We've had Casper on.
We just haven't had enough guys that were like played

(52:56):
in the eighties and nineties that are up like around
my dad's age. This guy that my dad would know.
We get suggested all the time, like you know, I'll
get a DM every three months, like.

Speaker 2 (53:05):
Hey, my best my best buddy.

Speaker 1 (53:08):
And I we're at the bar every Friday night.

Speaker 6 (53:12):
He was a linebacker back in seventy sticks. You got
to have him on the podcast, And I'm like, maybe,
I don't know sure, So that's that's funny.

Speaker 4 (53:25):
I was guy, I was kind of wondering if you
were hard up for guests when you got me on.
So I appreciate that.

Speaker 2 (53:31):
You were heavily requested to.

Speaker 1 (53:33):
Yeah, you've you've been requested, which is usually it usually
takes us about ten people to say, hey, you got
to have this guy on before we can have him on,
And like, you make sense more than more than most people.
You you're doing what we do. You you understand the
podcast game. You can talk like this is this is perfect.
It's fifty three minutes of I feel like we've been

(53:53):
talking for ten, which is which means we should probably
roll here into the one thing I do want to
talk about, which is on the thirty first of twenty
twenty four, you posted a thread.

Speaker 2 (54:03):
That was and now I've lost it. No, it's right here.
It was kind of like an end of twenty twenty four.

Speaker 1 (54:09):
You know, we had the bowl game and you're like, hey,
I want to talk about these three things. And this
is likely why a lot of people like to follow
you give him the fall, by the way, Jeffrey the
Greek on Twitter, and you're talking about the Music City
Bowl twenty twenty four season and then these next eight
months in the offseason, and it was great. I retweeted
it and said, hey, if I had a thread on
Iowa football, the current state of this is essentially exactly

(54:32):
what I would tweet.

Speaker 2 (54:34):
And now, after talking to you to fifty four minutes,
I know why.

Speaker 1 (54:37):
It's because we share a very similar sentiment of kind
of logical criticism but still positive outlook overall.

Speaker 2 (54:47):
And you know, optimism just in general.

Speaker 1 (54:51):
Like, and I think as guys who were in the
program and like to see the program do well, and
our fans of the program, you're probably more of a
true football fan.

Speaker 2 (54:58):
Than I am. Not probably you will are.

Speaker 1 (55:01):
There's just always gonna be that, like, what why would
you be cynical? Why would you ever bring negative energy
when you when you don't have to. And so that's
and you know, I'm sure you hear the criticism all
the time as well when you're when you're pointing things out,
you're like, oh, you're easy on you, You're you're not
hard enough on the coaches, You're not hard enough on
the player. You settle, you're settling for the Hawkeys being

(55:22):
eight and four every year.

Speaker 2 (55:23):
Yeah, that's the best one.

Speaker 1 (55:26):
But it was good man, Like I I truly agree
with with everything you said. You know, you're talking about
how eight and five is underwhelming. You took a victory
lap on Tim Lester, which I think is is uh.
I would like to take mine as well. I thought
he was a good hire back when it happened. But
there's a lot of exciting things talking about how it

(55:47):
is tough to lose that game. The Missouri game when
you're up ten and you just absolutely I mean you
just disappear in the second half, not to put you
on the spot and redigest the whole thing, but in
a shorter just in audio form, what is your what
is your outlook right now? On the program we've got
you know, we're going into year two with with a OC.

Speaker 2 (56:07):
We have KF at the helm. Still, we just lost
Ladell Betts, which is a big piece.

Speaker 4 (56:14):
We have.

Speaker 1 (56:15):
We have a lot of spots to fill on the
defensive side of the ball. We still have questions on offense.
What's what's your general outlook of the Hawkeys right now?

Speaker 4 (56:22):
I like that term logical optimism. That's great. I would
like to coin that somehow because that's that's how I
try to look at at everything.

Speaker 2 (56:30):
Right.

Speaker 4 (56:31):
Yeah, Liddell Ladell actually was a year younger than me,
played with him at Iowa. He was as good of
a dude as he was player and then as a coach.
So that's a tough loss. You know. The thing in
that thread that I was probably most proud of that
I got the most feedback was you get so much
frustration from it's the minority. Okay, I really do think

(56:54):
that is like I have text threads with brothers and
cousins and buddies, and most of it is normal humans
and Iowa fans. But the part that I brought up
in there was Okay, if you're frustrated with Kirk Farens,
I don't know what to tell you. However, how do
you feel about LeVar Woods? He's pretty good? Right, Okay?

(57:15):
How do you feel about Phil Parker? He just won
a major award last year? How do you feel about
Tim Lester's first year and what he was able to
do with the rushing attack? Also pretty good? Well, we
just covered the O coordinator, decordinator and special teams coordinator.
That means that I think we feel overall pretty good

(57:36):
about the Iowa football program.

Speaker 2 (57:39):
Right.

Speaker 4 (57:39):
I've had to continually tell people that Kirk Farens is
not calling the play.

Speaker 2 (57:48):
Unbelievable. I can't if I say.

Speaker 1 (57:51):
Anything more than anything else on Twitter, it's I can't
how many times, how many different ways, how many how
many patterns of words in the English language do I
have to put together to tell you that Kirk Ferrence
I don't even like. I truly don't even know if
he knows all of the lingo that goes into the
full play call like he just knows I mean, like right, he.

Speaker 4 (58:14):
Doesn't even have a maybe not all all of the lingo,
and he definitely has a huge say like are we
gonna go for it here? You know, like I could
maybe even say he could be talking in and saying
let's lean on the run, yeah a little bit here
we have them on their heels, because maybe you'd want

(58:35):
to listen to a guy that's been in the sport
for thirty years when he has a feel for I
don't doubt things like that are going on when I
see fans say he doesn't want to see points on
the board because like it's hard for me like that.
That's why I engauge, because I'm laughing as I do
it because it's so absurd. So like my whole point

(58:58):
of the thread was to get a little bit, you know,
like in my job, I try to explain things to
people in a very normal, plain speak way. I think
it's very common that people over talk people in an
attempt to make themselves look smarter when you really need
to just break things down for your audience in sales

(59:21):
or a podcasts so that they can ingest it and
go on with their lives. So like that's what I
was trying to do. That's what I always try to
do in those threads. But at the same time, maybe
a little bit of twist of looking things a little
bit deeper on what's actually happening here, like real quick,
Like there's other podcasts and the College Football podcast and Tyler,

(59:46):
I'm glad this kind of came up because you know,
I want to ask you, but I don't know if
you ever listen to other college football podcasts, but you know,
you'll get guys on that they even know x's and o's, okay,
like I'll give it to them. They they can break
down a play, but they don't know what it takes
to be in that locker room and to build constant

(01:00:08):
drive that almost every person on that roster is going
to lace back up practice and then go back at it.
Kirk Farrens is so good at that, and he gets
so little credit for it. So I'm trying to, like
in a simple form way on a tweet, you know,
multiple pages, just try to just try to show people

(01:00:29):
that you know, like this is what I think is
going on, does not mean I'm right, I'm wrong all
the time.

Speaker 1 (01:00:36):
By the way, that's us Iowa sports fan is its names. Geez, Jeffrey,
can you stick your head up his ass any deeper
than it is right now, kissing it?

Speaker 2 (01:00:46):
Like holy shit?

Speaker 1 (01:00:48):
And you're like, I hope, I hope this is enough
critique for this Iowa fan.

Speaker 2 (01:00:51):
I mean, it's unbelievable.

Speaker 4 (01:00:53):
I couldn't I couldn't resist because his name is Iowa fan,
you know, so, like that's.

Speaker 1 (01:00:58):
What kills me, jeff is that these Peo people, they
will get on there and because they have the luxury
of time and they can kind of sit there and
edit their tweet and read it over and make it
sound good, they will put out statements that are like
they'll be in a conversation about frustration with the offense
or frustration with the second half of I.

Speaker 2 (01:01:15):
Had to put out stats, and people still don't like half.
I went back and found it. I have to go
read it again.

Speaker 1 (01:01:22):
But like all of our games this year, nine out
of twelve, ten out of twelve, we scored more in
the second half than we did in the first half.

Speaker 2 (01:01:29):
But people remember the Iowa States.

Speaker 1 (01:01:30):
But people remember the Iowa State game, the Missouri game,
and the UCLA game because we happened to not in
those three losses. And I'm like, but but ten out
of our thirteen And then you're.

Speaker 2 (01:01:42):
Like, these people are like, yeah, I can just tell.

Speaker 1 (01:01:44):
I can so clear as day. You can just see
right where ference put his he put the brakes on.

Speaker 4 (01:01:52):
What Yep, it's what they in all I see. That
is what they think they have convinced themselves.

Speaker 2 (01:02:00):
Oh this is fact.

Speaker 4 (01:02:01):
And yeah, And I don't know if we're doing any good, Tyler,
but I think the best thing we can do is
just try to hang in there and try to, you know,
explain that it's not And you know, as far as
losing to Iowa State, that sucked like it felt like
somebody you know, cut me right right like it sucked.
But man, four rivals every single year, and no fan

(01:02:24):
wants to lose any of them. And it is such
a unique thing about coaching at Iowa. Playing at Iowa,
you lose one of those rivalries. That's what people talk about.
It's really hard to go four and o versus Iowa State, Wisconsin, Minnesota,
and Nebraska. We go three and one or four and

(01:02:44):
o almost every single year, and it's not enough. I
don't think people take enough time understanding that you know,
and the last thing I would say is on this
kind of you know, subtopic, Tyler, I don't know if
in both of you, like, do you ever sit there
and think, Hey, hawk fan two six six', nine how's

(01:03:07):
things going at your?

Speaker 2 (01:03:08):
Job?

Speaker 4 (01:03:08):
Dude are? You are you absolutely dominating it every single?
Day are you the number one, salesperson, manager hr director
that's ever? Been BECAUSE i, BET i bet you're. NOT
i bet YOU'RE.

Speaker 5 (01:03:22):
I, MEAN i don't HAVE i don't have to wonder
hawk fans actually my burner, account So i'm very aware
of how my my job is, going SO i don't
have to worry about that at.

Speaker 1 (01:03:29):
ALL I, yeah it's it's the.

Speaker 2 (01:03:31):
One thing that you pull back.

Speaker 1 (01:03:33):
On there's there's a million times where you just want
to say something and you're like it's not worth, it
like because the reality, is it's like there there probably
is a bunch of these guys who are just like
they're they're not doing well in. Life maybe like there
this is their one Thing they're able to have A
twitter account and just vent On twitter about the stuff
that they think they. Know and it's like and again

(01:03:55):
AND i GET i get called out Because i've been
doing this since we started the. PODCAST i naturally you
have a very not a very but LIKE i sway
to the WHEN i, speak it's in A i know
it all kind of, tone and it's something that it's
Something i've had to work on for a very long,
time And i'm getting.

Speaker 2 (01:04:12):
Better it's getting horrible at. It it has gotten.

Speaker 1 (01:04:15):
Better but the amount of times fans on the of
this show On, twitter like IN, dms are, Like he's,
like it's like if, interesting uh strategy running a podcast
brand where you tell fans they don't know shit about
their sports like And i'm, Like.

Speaker 2 (01:04:30):
I'm, Just i'm JUST i don't do it.

Speaker 1 (01:04:32):
Well But i'm trying to tell you THAT i know
for a fact you don't know what you're talking.

Speaker 2 (01:04:36):
About and it is like it knows what it.

Speaker 4 (01:04:39):
Is it goes with the professional Professor. Xavier look you
got going. On you know you're. Smarter i'm. Not you
can talk, Down i'm, not AND i.

Speaker 2 (01:04:48):
DO i do talk. Down i'm an older. BROTHER I
i THINK i am.

Speaker 1 (01:04:52):
Great, yeah it is what it, is but likes sometimes
it's just true and and.

Speaker 4 (01:04:57):
And and as the as the expression now is go
touch some, grass you know and trust. ME i AM
i am mad, okay and and my wife. Knows If
i'm down in the, layer as we call the downstairs athletic,
club we'll do all the, recording watch all the you,
know college, Football, Iowa iowa. Football if it's a, Loss

(01:05:19):
what actually helps is IF i put my phone, down walk,
upstairs say hi to my, Wife, Hi. Britt my, sons
they they couldn't care, less even though They're iowa. Fans
they're they're nine and. Six SO i say hello To
harrison And, walter AND i guess find your own wife
In harrison and absolutely in the perspective a little. Bit

(01:05:44):
but but but ALSO i want you to be a diehard.
Fan so we're asking a lot Of iowa fans and
college football, fans and.

Speaker 2 (01:05:52):
You're, right it's going to be. DIEHARD i always say
it's all the.

Speaker 5 (01:05:54):
Time it's like it's they don't have shame in being
passionate about, Things like if you're passion about iow, football that's,
Great like it's it's cool who like things LIKE i
don't like when people just pretend LIKE i just don't
really care if we lost this. GAME i DON'T i
don't like Anything i'm not passionate about any of.

Speaker 1 (01:06:08):
That grant's the good antidote to me WHERE i come
back on And i'm, like, guys it doesn't, matter it's.

Speaker 2 (01:06:14):
Football go be with your. Family And grant's, like, no
actually this one stuck with.

Speaker 4 (01:06:19):
ME i DIDN'T i didn't. Sleep i've heard you know
Sometimes i'm somewhere and you, know probably closer To. Grant
it's got to mean, something you, Know but but obviously
there's there's always much worse.

Speaker 2 (01:06:32):
Thing, Sure, yeah it was a great.

Speaker 1 (01:06:35):
Thread, again if people are, interested go Find jeffrey The
greek On twitter and scroll back To december. Thirty, first
it was a Nice New Year's eve tweet to satisfy
all Your hawkeye desires for the off season.

Speaker 4 (01:06:51):
And to also give you a look in my sad
life On New Year's. Eve that's WHAT i.

Speaker 2 (01:06:55):
GOT i think it's a great use of. Time, honestly.

Speaker 1 (01:07:00):
As we as we move forward, here we'll kind of
finish with this BECAUSE i don't want to take up
all your time, Again Tim, lester great first. Year you,
know we got This Mark gronowski guy who knows who
knows what he's gonna. Be he's supposed to be the,
Savior cade was supposed to be the. Savior we're looking,
Ahead we're we're In we're not even there yet because
we're gonna have spring ball and then we're really gonna
get into that dead period of, like, wow there's nothing

(01:07:22):
to talk about football, wise but we're far out in
the offseason right. Now what are a couple of things
like that you that you're specifically looking at as we
as we head into this? Offseason how how much how
much development do we need to see from this? Offense you,
Know lester should have the whole playbook in now this next,
year as opposed to you, know he was kind of
dealing with maybe a truncated version of That.

Speaker 2 (01:07:43):
Gronowski he's got the.

Speaker 1 (01:07:45):
Injury what do we think about him being sidelined until
realistically summer and then he's jumping, in but he's got
all this, Pedigree like where are your thoughts around all
this as we as we kind of look forward to next?

Speaker 4 (01:07:56):
Year by the, way speaking to, RECEIPTS i the wet
blanket with KDE i tried to Warn iowa fans that
he was not going to be the end all beat
all with that as. WELL i didn't think it was
going to be as bad as it. Did but in
that same, THREAD i did you know at that Time
gronowski was not a part of the. ROSTER i Mentioned.

(01:08:16):
GRONOWSKI i didn't know if that was going to be
an option from WHAT i was hearing kind of behind the.
Scenes but the fact that you Know gronowski is on
on the, roster it's. Significant, okay that is as accomplished
of a quarterback as far as you know how it
fits with the offense that been probably going back To Nate,

(01:08:37):
stanley who we obviously all all owe an apology for
for what he was able to. Accomplish, so you, know
huge loss obviously with kJ going to THE. Nfl can't
wait to see where he falls in THE nfl draft coming.
Up BUT i still think overall the offensive, LINE i
had been saying even Before Tim lester got, there THAT

(01:08:58):
i thought the offensive was. Fine it needed to be
put in a little bit more advantageous spot to be
able to show. Out we saw that last. YEAR i
think we're gonna see a continuation of the offensive, line
a step back a little bit with running. Back that's
a generational running back right, here but somewhere in between

(01:09:19):
where the rushing attack was last year and maybe where
it's been before, that which is to SAY i think
it will be a strong rusher pretty good now we Need, Granowski,
yeah pretty pretty darn good. NOW i think what you're
going to see is another year with the, timing with
the wide receivers knowing where they need to. BE i
like the new kid they. GOT i am told that

(01:09:40):
he's a speed. DEMON i felt like that was all
that we. Needed it's gonna look, better but it will look,
better you, know the, second the third or fourth year
into the offense as. Well BUT i don't know if
we're gonna get as big of a leap up in
the passing game as we saw with the rushing attack
from last year to the previous. Year BUT i think

(01:10:02):
it will be comparable with how much more of the passing.
Attack there was nobody to work with for the passing
attack With Tim lester like it like AND i don't
mean that like basically they had a version of me
except playing quarterback at. Quarterback, okay last, year that's that's
not going to get it, done and it's going to

(01:10:23):
be better this. YEAR i also Like Hardware. HANK i
think HE i have read ENOUGH i have had enough
insiders that have given me, information SO i think he
is going to have a bright future. Too SO i
love to see where where this is is going to.

Speaker 2 (01:10:38):
GO i love, That, Hank Hank calely gotten enough. Love,
Hey grant's a big fan of, Hardware, HANK i.

Speaker 5 (01:10:43):
AGREE i, Agree.

Speaker 2 (01:10:45):
Well, Yeap obviously there's a lot more eye with football than.
That as we get, closer you might have to Have
jeff back. On maybe we do a.

Speaker 1 (01:10:52):
Crossover maybe we do some more crossovers in the, future because,
uh there'll be more exciting to, talk.

Speaker 4 (01:10:57):
Like like we had kind of. MESSAGED i do my
biggest homework on The Big ten kind Of july And,
august So i've done all my deep, dives SO i
would throw it out there we could do A big
Ten Deep dives sometime in that in that, timeframe.

Speaker 1 (01:11:14):
And we would love that because as the listeners of this, show,
NO i DON'T i don't do any of.

Speaker 2 (01:11:18):
THAT i don't do. Anything i'm, horrible AND.

Speaker 1 (01:11:22):
I don't have to because this isn't a uh this
isn't A big ten. Podcast BUT i don't EVEN i
don't even deep dive via as much AS i probably,
should and that's what you. Know we keep a casual around.
Here we're bringing guys that actually know stuff and do the,
Research so.

Speaker 5 (01:11:33):
Preview pods a lot OF i just don't.

Speaker 2 (01:11:35):
Know, yeah the preview pots around here is just generationally.

Speaker 1 (01:11:39):
Bad they're just like mostly just betting segments getting skin awards.

Speaker 5 (01:11:42):
Winners as quickly as.

Speaker 2 (01:11:43):
Possible, yeah, yeah for.

Speaker 1 (01:11:45):
Sure but it was fun to hear your Story jeff
a little. Bit and uh and and where you are
now with the. Podcast everybody please go check Out eyes
On big give them some.

Speaker 2 (01:11:54):
More. UH i got some question For jeff before. You oh, yeah, yeah,
yeah oh, FORGOT i GOT i WANT i want TO
i want to ASK. U i want to ask some.
QUESTIONS i got some STUFF.

Speaker 5 (01:12:03):
I want To, okay you mentioned it earlier with The
big ten stuff as compared it TO, SEC espn bias
and whatnot recently this past, SEASON i feel like, you
amongst me and a lot of other people On twitter
on the front lines this, war especially the playoff, time
going against THESE sec shills out, there AND i feel

(01:12:26):
like we did a good job winning some, battles but
the war still looms. On how do we win the
war against the BIASED? Sec paid off.

Speaker 4 (01:12:34):
Media this guy's. Great. Man, uh he would be the
second the best side Show bob of any. Podcast. Man
the what you bring, today it's. Amazing, WELL i would
say the number one thing is to keep winning national, titles,
RIGHT i would say that's the biggest. Thing Ohio state
absolutely deep Pantsing tennessee was just. Phenomenal their fans are

(01:12:59):
are toxic as toxic can be Beating, texas you, know
and even before you get to the championship, Game Penn
state showing, out you, know in the college football playoffs
two years, now you know that THE sec hasn't been up.
There all of that stuff mixes. Together so as Much

(01:13:19):
grant as me and you on the front lines, matters dang,
it we. MATTER i would say if the big ten
could keep showing out on the football, field that probably
we would be the biggest. Thing so you can already see.
It you can see the biasness of if you find
quote unquote neutral college football websites quote unquote neutral, podcasts

(01:13:46):
you can already tell that the word was turned a little.
Bit they're, not you, know gushing all.

Speaker 5 (01:13:52):
YEAH i, know you just got to chip away that
some of, these like The Paul fine bombs to the
world even LIKE i, SEE i love it most of the,
time but LIKE i remember that in the you, know playoff,
time there's like A Josh paid clip where he's, like
we might have overhapped THE sec this, year and it's
like kind of like, that, WELL i wonder who did?
That if only we could find the guy who or
who might be, responsible not that it's all him and
HE'S i, LIKE i like paid a, lot you, KNOW

(01:14:13):
i listened to some of the.

Speaker 2 (01:14:14):
Stuff he's, Good but.

Speaker 5 (01:14:15):
It's, like you, know SOMETIMES i get think the media was, like,
well who Could like how do we get here with all,
this all THESE sec teams getting losing all of a,
Sudden it's, like, well maybe you led yourself to, this
to the water and then not in the water was.

Speaker 2 (01:14:28):
Poisonous that's what you.

Speaker 4 (01:14:29):
Did and, like you, know When tyler was talking about
the numbers going down FOR iowa listeners As iowa, loses
that's HOW espn looks at THE. Sec that's they're a
part of this process at least a little, bit because
if you only play eight conference, games you're going to

(01:14:51):
probably wind, out wind up with one less. Loss if
you're playing directional you all of this fits together to
the puzzle to try, to you, know present the best
product they can to keep the numbers. Up that stuff
matters to TO. Espn they need numbers as bad now
as they have ever.

Speaker 5 (01:15:09):
Had we'll keep chipping away at the fight. THERE i,
mean especially as it gets to the off. Season SOMETIMES
i can. Do it's just Like i'm gonna pick some
sec school today is just gonna get. It it's just
That i'm so you're in kind of a similar situation to.
ME i do sales as well during the during the. Day,
now how do you explain to your coworkers of the

(01:15:30):
business world that, yes time, says BUT i do podcast
part time and not sound super.

Speaker 4 (01:15:34):
WEIRD i deal with mostly engineers and a little bit of.
CASODA i don't run into it at college football. Fans
it's happened every now and. Then typically people just think
it's pretty interesting more than. Anything, yeah oh, yeah BECAUSE

(01:15:55):
i do run into The.

Speaker 5 (01:15:59):
Yeah, NO I i went into The i'm sorry if
my WiFi is, bad BUT i got a little LAG
i think going on. Here i'm in a, hotel my.
Puledge but LIKE i do try and like it's difficult
to explain to AND i was, like, yeah it's it's
hard to not sound totally. Crazy we're, like, Yeah i'd
got to go do a new podcast part time outside of.
Work and it's, like, well who's this guy think he, is,
like you can't. Explain it's big enough that someone does
care about, it and it's but it's not LIKE i

(01:16:22):
think people picture, like, oh you're just gonna go to
scream at your buddy for an hour till nobody you, know.

Speaker 4 (01:16:26):
It's, like, oh, hey someone actually listens to. This. Yeah,
well the good news is my boss Is Doug, buck my.
Brother he is the owner and inventor of the product
Pave drain that we sell that is a permeable block
system for roads and parking lots or if any of
you big time podcasters would like a heated, driveway we

(01:16:49):
can sell that to you as. Well so my boss
is also an avid listener of my podcast and your,
podcast so he doesn't mind so. Much so that's you
guys should that's the next.

Speaker 2 (01:17:01):
Thing, yeah you guys should.

Speaker 1 (01:17:02):
Try, uh you guys should try explaining it as your
full time.

Speaker 4 (01:17:05):
Game to people that that's. Hard that would be.

Speaker 1 (01:17:07):
Harder, yeah, yeah, yeah when WHEN i tell people or
like you, know you go to the dentist or, like,
well my dentist and MY i doctor both listen to
the podcast, actually but shout out to you guys by the.
Way but like you you, know you're talking to somebody
and they're, like what do you?

Speaker 2 (01:17:22):
Do And i'm, LIKE i own a media company kind
of we, do we do. Podcasts so but you.

Speaker 4 (01:17:33):
Also you're in the fitness world, TOO i, Am so
THAT'S i.

Speaker 2 (01:17:36):
Am but, like, yeah the easy out is Just i'm
a personal.

Speaker 4 (01:17:40):
Trainer, YEAH i gotta, SAY i love your message that
you give On twitter that is fitness, related which is
moved right enough of it to.

Speaker 1 (01:18:00):
DAY i could IF i got on right now and
tweeted it Like nebraska can stuck my ten inch hog
one thousand and two thousand, retweets right IF i got on,
HERE i tried to tell someone how like they could
potentially save their life and not be diabetic in twenty.
Years four LIKES i HAVE i have twenty thousand four.

Speaker 4 (01:18:23):
Likes doesn't doesn't that perfectly sum Up? Twitter AND i
would say human beings in, general, right.

Speaker 1 (01:18:29):
It's just like no one, cares nobody, cares no one wants.

Speaker 4 (01:18:32):
TO i didn't get on this app to save my own,
Life i'll die WHAT i want to tell, me tell
me Why matt rule. Sucks that's WHAT i want here
one hundred.

Speaker 1 (01:18:42):
Percent because a couple of weeks AGO i tweeted something
and And Pat anger was, like but like, heah like
oh shut, UP i want to eat donuts or.

Speaker 2 (01:18:52):
SOMETHING i was, like are you kidding?

Speaker 4 (01:18:53):
Me like this is that guy's a? Trip absolutely it.

Speaker 2 (01:18:57):
Is and then last last thing we let you go.

Speaker 5 (01:19:00):
Here it's JUST i know you se you do a
lot of it In june And, july AND i, understand
but way too. EARLY i just want to hear pick
up A Big ten champ for next, year and then
the worst team in The Big time he's going to
be the eighteen at.

Speaker 4 (01:19:10):
Eighteen, YEAH i would definitely keep an eye On Penn
state for the team THAT i think can win The
Big ten, championship as much as it pains. Me Probably
oregon would also be up. There and obviously you can
never forget About Ohio. State they're not going to have
as big of a drop off As michigan did last,

(01:19:32):
year you, know after their national. Championship SO i don't
have anything too prophetic, there BUT i Would Penn state
would be my early, lead and then on the, BOTTOM
i don't think you come back with What purdue just
went through in one, year AND i Think Barry odom
will take the time to build it up from the
ground up a LA kf you, know back in nineteen ninety.

(01:19:55):
Nine SO i don't think it's going to be a
transfer portal amazing situation That purdue is going to pull.
OFF i think they're going to struggle mightily next. Year
so that would be my by pick for the for the.

Speaker 5 (01:20:08):
Basement, yeah so you just went the top three teams
from this year and then the CURRENT.

Speaker 4 (01:20:15):
I tried to by SAYING i didn't have a prophetic, thing.

Speaker 1 (01:20:18):
But sometimes sometimes it is what it is, correct AND
i THINK i think that's all.

Speaker 5 (01:20:22):
Reasonable LIKE i, think, yeah Like pence is going to be,
LOADED i, understand and, like, YEAH i Don't thinkdue might
be in really big trouble for a little bit.

Speaker 4 (01:20:29):
Here that Was that was some lazy chalk THAT i
just did right. There my my, Bad i'm not you
should call me out on.

Speaker 2 (01:20:36):
That and, no LIKE i, said we'll have you, on
we'll have you on later in the. Summer we'll do
a deeper.

Speaker 4 (01:20:40):
Dive, yeah things could change by. Then you, know a
lot of a lot of things.

Speaker 1 (01:20:44):
Happen it Might gronowski could be the savior and all
of a, Sudden hawkeys are looking At big ten.

Speaker 2 (01:20:49):
Championship who. Knows who? Knows It's, jeff who? Knows, yeah
we Got jeff book. On, jeff thank you so.

Speaker 1 (01:20:55):
Much uh everybody, again go follow, Him go follow his
podcast entertaining, stuff good quality, content logical optimism for your.

Speaker 2 (01:21:04):
Timeline and uh, YEAH.

Speaker 4 (01:21:07):
I was just gonna, SAY i hope you. Too and
the listeners had half as much fun AS i. HAD
i appreciate the.

Speaker 1 (01:21:12):
Invite oh, absolutely we always. Do the LISTENERS i know enjoyed.
It we'll be back. Again jeff's episode comes out on A,
thursday so we'll be back on A, monday hopefully with another.
PLAYER i think we've been just drilling. Interviews people are
actually answering this, offseason which is.

Speaker 2 (01:21:28):
Great we will see everybody. Then, hey thanks for listening
to the.

Speaker 1 (01:21:32):
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Speaker 2 (01:21:50):
Hospital we'll see you next. Time hawks buy a million

Speaker 5 (01:22:02):
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