February 24, 2025 • 50 mins
Coach Justin Lima returns for another episode of the Wash Up Walk Ons podcast! In this deep dive, we explore the Hawkeye Challenge, an intense off-season training competition designed to foster discipline and teamwork within the Iowa football team. From unique scoring systems to leadership development, we break down how this program pushed athletes to their limits and prepped them for success on and off the field. Hear firsthand accounts and anecdotes that illustrate the highs and lows of this rigorous program. Plus, stick around for a surprise guest appearance by Coach Lima's kids!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
On this episode of The Wash Up walk Ons. We
have talked about it many times, the Hawkeye Championship or
Hawkeye Challenge as it was at the beginning of our careers.
It's the off season competition within the team. The man
Justin Lima, was in charge of it during our time
in Iowa City. Just so happens, he likes to come
on this podcast, so we're going in full detail. What
does this look like for the guys in the off
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season and why does it matter. Let's have a day, Let's.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Go Gosh, lighting sucks, everything sucks.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
Justin Lima back for another episode of the Wash Up
walk Ons podcast. The one of the best recurring guests
we have on this show.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
Appreciate the kind words. Appreciate everybody listening. I had another
person come up to me while getting a haircut and
they're like, are you just a liba? Like you should
have no idea who I am, But as a matter
of fact, I am. So the walk on reach is real.
Appreciate everybody, appreciate you. Cluve.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
So, yeah, I hope you. I hope you turned around
and said you're goddamn right I am.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
I did not, but apparently I should have. You should
have should.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Have been like, yeah, you want to roll, I'm a
black belt in jiu jitsu and strength, I'm a black
belt and strength condition.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
I'll take the black belt and strength and conditioning jiu
jitsu I am. I am not yet though.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
How many hours do you think you need? You think
ten thousand hours you're black.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
I have no idea because it's all going to depend
on the academy. Right. Most places are probably be like
you know, some of them might give it to you
quickly to say they have a lot of black belts,
but like they're not a real black belt. So it's
like the place that I'm AT's a gracie jiu jitsu gym,
so it's like, hey, you get.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
If you date they invented jiu jitsu right exactly.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
So it's like, hey, you know, if Josh Neer, who
is my black belt at the gym that I'm at,
who has a bunch of UFC fights, Like he's got
a UFC folk UFC posters in the gym where we
work out at, Like if he's like, hey, you're worthy
of any of these belts, it's like, all right, you
know you probably at least are and could be more how.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
Many hours do you think you need to be a
strength conditioning black belt?
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Fuck?
Speaker 3 (02:26):
At least at least yeah, because the cycle goes. You
come out of college, you think you know everything. Then
you start to realize, oh, I keep learning, I keep learning,
and then you hit this point where you're like, I
know nothing in every program works. Keep your mouth shut
and just help the kids.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
What is that? What principle is that.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
H Dunning Kerning effect where like when you know nothing,
you think you know everything, and when you know everything,
you think you know nothing.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
Yeah, it's great, It's so true.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
It really is.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
I've experienced that a lot in the last I don't
know five years of life, like in all areas of life,
like for me that prefrontal cortex development as a as
a human male right around twenty five or so, that
was a very real thing. And then the parenting, the
(03:16):
parenting curve of like, oh, I know everything, and then
you know, career wise, there's been a lot of moves
that have happened in the last five years. It's just
like and then you get to it kind of goes
along with that dissolution of ego and you're like, wow,
I actually don't know shit. I have no idea what
I'm doing, and I just we're just we're just rolling along,
and that's sort of what we're doing with this podcast
(03:37):
as well. Three minutes in, Welcome to the podcast. Glad
everybody's here again, Justin Lima joins us on a semi
like a monthly basis, We're going to try and figure
out a monthly basis or about there, and we're going
to talk about something that we've mentioned several times on
the show today. Over the last six years of doing
this podcast, many coaches of high school programs have reached
(03:58):
out to us about this because they've wanted to do
something similar. Many just fans in general have asked a
lot of questions about this topic. What is in depth
the Hawkeye Championship, the Hawkeye Challenge.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
I am the black belt in this, so I will
give myself that I am the black belt in this.
So you already wanted to know, I'm.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
Your guy, Lima's the guy on it.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
I will tell, like, you know what I am. There's
no shame in me saying it I am. I'll take that.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
Where do we start on this?
Speaker 3 (04:32):
There's so much I'll tell you where we start. We
start with the packet that we used to give you guys. Okay,
and in the beginning of the packet, so to everybody
that liked to complain about things.
Speaker 4 (04:43):
Because like, so that's everybody by the way, correct, So
we would give the captains first of all, the captains
wouldn't even get the captains didn't get voted on at
the end until we would see everybody come back.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
So at first it was like, hey, team comes back
in January. Here's your ballots for captains week one. But
then we realized like we were doing leadership kind of
like at a deli where take your number in your
next in line and you get to be a leader
and a we were probably awarding kids captainship that didn't
deserve it, be we were missing out on kids that
needed it. So what we did is we made it
(05:19):
where during that two week GPP phase and almost extended
it three weeks if it lined up with the recruiting
calendar and the coaches were gone, there would not be
a vote for three weeks, so we could see who
is a leader now. People would still be able to
gain in loose points if they were doing the right
thing or not doing the right thing, And I would
carry all of that with us into the draft, but
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we would wait until the very end and then we'd
vote on captains. Once we had captains, they either had
their lieutenant because if we had like sixteen kids that
got votes, we're like, all right, how do we help
these kids actually be in a position of leadership if
their peers view it. Let's put one with sixteen, two
with fifteen, and all the way down. So we would
pair these kids to give leadership opportunities, and then would
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meet with Coach Doyle and myself captains and their lieutenants,
and they would get a packet, and the packet it
would start off with the rules. In this very first
rule right here, if I look at number one, the
team will vote for captains first the lieutenant. Then within
the third rule, it says right here, they're reminded that
the point system is based on character, placing value on accountability,
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off field behavior, training, and community service performances in bold
now not athletic ability. Next sentence, the team that displays
the best character in bold right here will win this competition.
Captains must be inclusive and exclusive for the success of
the team. It's literally told to you right there, what
we're looking for in this championship and who we want
(06:46):
for the team, Like, let's just start there. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Yeah, Well that's important, and that's especially important with some
of the stuff that kind of came out around the
Doyle stuff. There's a lot of stuff that I think
there's a lot of places to go here. I'll come
back to that for those that are five minutes into
this podcast now and you're like, whoa, we're just we're
jumping right into this. I'm gonna back us up one
(07:11):
more step, justin and have you describe. So he did,
Coach Lima just perfectly described sort of the entry into
the off season and what this looked like for guys.
Will continue to get into that over the next hour.
As a whole macro ten thousand foot view. This Hawkeye Championship,
(07:31):
Hawkeye Challenge, I think is when.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
It originally was Hawkeye Challenge, it got changed. I can
tell you exactly what year if I look at this,
you keep.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
Talking this, this is the off season competition. For those
that have not heard us mention this, this is the
in house off season competition where the team of one
hundred and twenty maybe one hundred and fifteen to one
hundred and twenty five individuals were then split up into
eight smaller teams. Think of it as like seventeen, okay,
(08:02):
so is my senior year. I was gonna use like, oh,
you know, if we are the Navy Seals, this is
like Seal Team one through eight. Right, it's teams within
the teams. And the reason for this is, and maybe
you can describe it better, say it better. It gave
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us as players more direction and structure in the off season.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
It also gave you guys opportunity to lead. It gave
young kids an opportunity to follow, because leaders are not leaders.
If nobody follows them, they're just a crazy person that
nobody's listening to. And it also allows you all to
have a greater pulse on the team. And if you
look back to one of the books that we read
as a or not as a team, but as one
of the team of teams, Extreme Ownership, JOCKO. Willing talks
about you can really lead six to eight people. Well,
(08:52):
so if you think about it from a macro level, Okay,
typically you had around eight people on your team. If
you had twelve, but you had too lead each of
you could kind of lead six of them well and
then those captains could report back to Coach Doyle and
we could all you could work within that and have
really really good groups and team of teams. Another book
from McAllister. I don't know some other Navy person, but
(09:14):
the team of teams books back there.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
Yeah, you're a big book guy. You've read. Coach has
read just ten thousand x more than I have, and
he has a way better memory. So this is why
this episode is going to be great. So this allowed
us to and I think one of the things that
did justin is especially as a young guy, this gave you. You
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come in your freshman season and everything is a whirlwind, right,
You're just trying to catch up, You're keeping your head
above water. Sometimes it feels directionless. You're just like I'm
just trying to survive. You get into the off season,
and this was a great exercise in giving young guys
(10:00):
who may not have felt important during the season or
like they had a lot of structure and direction. It
now gave them a purpose, It gave them a reason
and very clearly laid out, Hey, you are important. You're
not just important, You're You're absolutely crucial to the success
of a smaller unit. And that was relayed top down,
(10:23):
and as you said, layered into this competition was leadership, teamwork,
all of the things that you're looking for in a teammate.
It almost it incubated younger guys and older guys. It
was important for the older guys too, but especially the
younger guys. It incubated you into almost hyper speed working
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on all of the things and traits that you needed
to be a good team player in a smaller group.
And I don't think it was ever more apparent than
twenty fifteen. Obviously we bought in heavy. That's when the
slight edge came along. Drew Ott was one of the
captains that year and Miguel Rossinos, who would have been
(11:09):
a second This this I mean because I was close
with Miguel, and this is just the story that comes
to mind. We'll get into it here and coach will
explain all the little things that are are scored, and
you guys are going to get a taste of like wow,
it was very like every little aspect of your life
(11:30):
mattered as a Division one athlete in this, in this championship,
this challenge, Miguel felt that pressure in a good way
to perform, to show up for his captain, who has
drew ot to show up for his team to get points,
to be you know, to to compete, and he cared
so much that when he missed bodyweight, you know, some
(11:52):
random day in the middle of the off season, that
cost them points. I won't dive too far into the
points system because it doesn't matter as much, but it
cost them points. If if everybody on your team made
body weight in a specific week, you got a certain
amount of bonus points. Miguel missed that body weight, not
the end of the world, but because he felt the
(12:12):
pressure and the weight of not letting his team down.
Miguel was he was upset, he was in tears, like
in the locker room because he felt like he had
let his teammates down. Now some people may hear that
and go, wow, you guys are pushing this way too
way too far right. But what that really demonstrated to
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me was this, this competition, this offseason thing that we do,
was able to create that urgency of being a good teammate,
create the urgency of being accountable to the program or
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other people. And I think it very clearly showed who
was going to buy in and who wasn't and I
think if you look at the attrition rate of certain
classes and who failed out or who transferred out, or
didn't make it, whoever, you know, for whatever reason their
careers ended early, I bet the correlation with the individual
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points of this Hawkeye Championship would be very, very close.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
I'm looking at this thing right here. So you talk
about freshmen, right, and what we did too is we
tried to get them incorporated early on with like, holy cow,
this is incredible. When I look at this.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
I'm drinking my electrolytes. By the way, I'm not going
to say which company, but we need an electrolytees sponsor.
I'm freaking hydrated this morning.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
I got to put you in contact with the company
at Bubb's. There are another there's military military background, a
guy named Bob. His callsign was Bob. He was a
seal who died. In his will told his best friend
to start a supplement company if he with the money
and ten percent of all the proceeds go back to
the company.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Wow, that's incredible.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
Okay, So I'm looking at this here, first of all
with the freshman So I had a document right here
from twenty sixteen. It's the Freshman Added document where it
was all the freshmen that were getting added in that
summer coming in right, and we had to figure out
how to incorporate them, and we had to regress it. Right.
So we have this entire list right here, starting with
(14:25):
my man tokes A Kinnabarade, all the way down all
the way down to Torn Young, cole Banwart, sho On Bayer,
Lance Billings, Tristan Bohorr. But like you have transfers like
ron Kaluzy, Keith Duncan's in this okay, the way that
we would put them in the way that I did it,
because like I said, I was the one to charge this,
I would go alphabetical instead of making it too hard.
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Because what the freshmen did is they couldn't lose. Like
they they were essentially put in and they were spoon
fed where it's like, hey, you are a part of
this team, but you're not going to gain or lose
any points. You're just a part of it, okay. And
so in this group right here, you have four NFL
players that were freshmen. They had they were that were
(15:10):
just mentored, Golston Hockinson, Hooker, Alaric Jackson. Oh and they
were added based off of this. In the twenty sixteen competition,
they were added to the end the No Dickheads division,
remember from NBA. Yeah, because it was Crosston and Maven
with Ward and you and that team you that was
(15:31):
your group of freshmen, right. And when I go through
this daily competition sheet, like if we just go to
like week seven, I mean, shoot, I go to week one,
this this will blow everybody's mind. So if I just
start in twenty sixteen week one, we have body weight,
So if people gain or lost body weight, then if
they would get extra points or not prowler push, so
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everything would be recorded if they If you would have
one rep with one of the coaches, is the other
rep with the other coach, you'd have your average. You'd
have to do good at both. You got points for
going and working at the Ladies Football Academy. You got
points for doing this cancer survivor event that Leane Akrey
went to. Points for hosting a recruit, points for doing
conduct detrimental to a team which we had here, missing
(16:17):
a meeting, doing a sled sprint instead of a sled push,
missing training.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
Geez g geez oh by.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
Uh, missing your refueling shit drink before we were supposed
to go and train. So if you were a weight, missed conditioning,
So if you missed conditioning, you didn't lose points, but
you lost your perfect day points, all right, And so
that was another way to hold you accountable to it
missing your athlete. If it was the third time, if
you are a red flag body weight and you didn't improve,
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so like it didn't even have to be that you
made your weight, you just had to improve week three
if you didn't hand in your dietary analysis. So this
is us trying to help you and you don't hand
it in everything, man, every note the NDH division, Bolston
Hawkinson Hooker. That is insane to think that you have
want four NFL athletes added to your team.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
What's the what's the core?
Speaker 3 (17:10):
You know, the.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
Cause and effect? There is it? Because did we turn
them into NFL athletes?
Speaker 3 (17:16):
Probably good? Potentially you and Ward the glue of this.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
Hey consistency, man, Now what we added in twenty seventeen.
Speaker 3 (17:26):
Again, you want to take this even further. So in
twenty seventeen, now you guys can get points. Like everybody
thinks like, oh you know they're not. That sounds like
it's so bad. All right, Let's look at the point
achievement document that was sent out, but it was a
living document, So you can gain points by doing community
service if it's approved, doing training competitions, on field improvements.
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Like we said, if we do a sprint, that's a
timed event in week one, and we do the same weight,
the same everything the next week. I had everything documented,
so if you just improved, you could literally be in
last place. But if me, justin Lima, was an athlete
and I got better, I get points from my team. Yeah,
if you're a Golden Hawk, you get points. A's or
b's you get points. GPA above three you get points.
(18:10):
Team getting their bodyweight goal. If you help out with recruiting,
doing your football position study, perfect day, perfect week, perfect
semester mentor plan athlete compliance. So just doing what you're
supposed to do, you get points yep. The team. Those
quizzes that we used to take sweeping the sheds and
then remember this one. We would give you guys points
for eating a meal together. All you had to do
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is eat a meal together, take a picture, send it
to me or Doyle yep, and I would send it
to him to verify or he would send it to
me so I could update it. That's as easy, Like
there's a lot of ways to lose earn points now
miss losing points. It ain't that, it's all obviously it's
conduct destrimental of the team, missing curfew, your semester GPA,
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being bad, missing class, not going to a study hall,
missing training table, not going to a lift or a
meeting late or dismissed from training dz er F's missing rehab,
not getting your body weight.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
Man, I had had some detrimental grade points to my
team in twenty fourteen.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
Not apply it with your dietary analysis, not doing your athlete,
team not doing their athlete. And if you leave your
cleats or your shoes, like remember we were talking about
sweeping shed right, so it's like, hey, just pick up
after yourself like this this this is pretty like oh,
that sounds pretty simple, like but it just heightened your
awareness of like, hey, what you do is going to
(19:36):
be under a magnifying glass in Kinnick. Let's put you
in a magnifying glass now.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
And it was God, this is oh, I don't think
this is not because I got this lived experience of
of I was one of these athletes. I do not
think of myself as.
Speaker 3 (19:53):
A as an FBS athlete.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
I really don't. And you know, this whole, this whole
lawsuit's gonna hopefully go through where I get my I
get my my payback. You're gonna get paid, We're gonna
get I think we're gonna get paid.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
What are you gonna get paid for? I'm not being
a I literally don't know what for what. So the.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
You know, there was like two lawsuits that went through.
They went you know, I don't know who brought them,
but like certain there's people that brought class actions against
the NCAA once all this NIL stuff came out. One
of them is like video game damages or whatever of
like being in a video and then the other is
like ten years worth of like NIL, Like anybody that
(20:36):
was a decade from the moment that from the moment
the NIL was passed, ten years before that, if you
were a part of a Division I football basketball program,
oh wow, you get some amount of like damages to that.
It was like two point eight billion dollars worth.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
Oh that okay, within that you might get a little
bit of that, yeah, oh wow, a little chunk. Good
for you.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
A little chunk that's a pretty decent chunk. Hopefully, hopefully
I'm not gonna speak too soon because I don't know.
But anyway, I truly believe that any success I have,
or any positive quality, most of them that I have
right now at thirty years old, is very, very, very
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highly linked to being put through the ringer of having
to figure out discipline and accountability and being under the microscope,
much of which came from this offseason championship. You're in
the off season for a lot longer than you're in
the d season. It's a two to one ratio, so
(21:38):
most of your life you're living in this state of
everything I do is worth points or it's or it's
minus points right for my team, and if I'm constantly
losing points for our team, everybody knows that the point
sheets were posted, the individual rankings were posted, the team
(21:59):
rankings were posted. And I don't think that ninety nine
point nine percent of people have ever been under a
microscope on an hourly, move by move, day by day,
week by week basis for four years of their life
like we were in this situation, and I think that
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it bred absolute discipline monsters.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
Why do you think most people get mad that they
can't just half asset at the gym, because most people
call it what it is. Yeah, they can half asset
at work. Let's say they work a four Let's say
they actually work four out of the eight hours. They
still get a normal paycheck. Yeah, so when they go
to the gym, they probably think that they can get
away with half the.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
Effort discipline monsters. I don't think some of you listening
would make it. I'm just gonna be honest. I know
that because I watched over fifty percent of people, you know,
figure out a way.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
Can we also talk about the fact that I'm looking
at this freshman added thing right here, and we handed
out to all the captains who could then dismantle the information. However,
they wanted the name, hometown, and phone number of every
one of the freshmen. So it wasn't like, oh, here's
this kid. It was like we kind of gave you
a little bit of like, Hey, here's his hometown, here's
(23:17):
his phone number, get him in your group chat start
talking like again, we could have done a better job.
And we've talked about that on the previous episodes. That
we waited for our individual meetings to be in the
winter after they had already been here for a summer
in an in season. Yeah, but like to think that
it was just kind of negligent, like hometown and phone
number at the very like we're talking like, okay, captain,
(23:37):
like you're supposed to be a captain. You've been voted
on as a leader, like help me.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
Yeah, you know what I think is one of the
and it was such a strong way to start it off.
Is and we've talked about this too, but not in
such detail. Is the way that this would happen for
everybody that's listening right now is we would get through
those first couple of weeks and what that means means
is points were still being tracked. You came into the draft,
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which is one of the most vulnerable, just out there
events that you could take place in. You came into
the draft with a number by your name, Lima put
together a spreadsheet. We sat in the All American Room,
which is where everybody fit one hundred plus people. The
staff were there, everybody attended this thing, and you sat
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out there like it's the NFL Draft and on the
massive projector everybody's up there looking at it, it was
your name and how many points that you already had accumulated,
positive or negative, and that's how many points you were
then going to take to your new team. So the
captains are sitting there at the edge of the room
(24:47):
looking at the spreadsheet. They all had computers with it
in front of them as well.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
Yeah, I got this thing right here in front.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
Thinking, am I going to draft this guy? He's already
shown me two to three weeks worth of what he's
going to do. How many points has he already accumulated?
And if you had read, if your number was read
and you were in the you were in the negative points.
It was up there for everybody to see. And then
one by one, just like on the playground in the
(25:14):
times where we weren't soft pussies of the United States
of America, you got picked and somebody had to be
picked last, and that somebody was me twice And that
is a vulnerable, exposing moment. And it wasn't because I
had negative points the first couple of years. Specialists just
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aren't a real high commodity as much as it's not
as an athletic thing. The specialists usually aren't going to
go very high in the draft. And so I sat
there and I don't think I was dead last, but
I was in one of the last five picks. I
think in twenty thirteen and twenty four or well it
would have been twenty fourteen, and then maybe twenty fifteen.
(25:57):
I was like in the eighties somewhere or something like that.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
Let's look for where seven for it was.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
Yeah, fine, I want to find what mine.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
Yeah was Miguel. Miguel went into it a little bit negative,
so you did bring him up. Okay, so you were
you were actually you were a sixth round pick to
Hillier and making Plev So you were on team Harvest
in fifteen. In fifteen, yeah, you went sixth round to
Hillier and Pleva. I was having Jordan's where Bobauer and
(26:25):
Jordan were picks one and two. Vanderberg went three. But
let's see twenty fourteen.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
Yeah, see if you can find twenty fourteen I was.
I would love to know what. I'm pretty sure I
was the bottom five, bottom six pick. I would have
been like pick one hundred or something.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
Okay, two thousand. This is going to take my my
laptop takes is going to take a little bit longer
than my mask. Open this thing up.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
Oh no, you're good. We've already had the technical issues
for people listening. We started this thing like ten or
twelve minutes late because my computer decided to update in
the middle of the night. I'm not even sure if
it's alive anymore.
Speaker 3 (27:04):
After Hoover. Yeah, so you were. You were a final
round pick for Mark Weisman's team.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
Yeah, tell me, baby, tell me you were.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
I mean it was.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
Yeah, you were last on the playground.
Speaker 3 (27:16):
My man, you actually, Holy cow, if I showed you
the name of like so you you technically weren't last.
You were an eleventh round pick. No, there was one, two, three, four, five, six,
There was seven people taking after you.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
No, let's go.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
I wasn't, but you were one of the final eight technically, yeah,
like you were a like because his eight teams. You
were a last round pick.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
I was bottom man on the total poll of our team.
Speaker 3 (27:40):
And you had LeVar as your captain. LaVar was your
your mentor coache yep, yep, Mark Weisman, you guys were
the rock Breakers.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
Shout out to Weiss for taking a chance on me.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
The rock Breakers.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
Good. Yeah, that was a good name.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
But now, like, think about how much this thing had
evolved because Okay, that was fourteen. Right when I'm looking
at the draft. When I look at the seventeen draft,
there's a team name, there's a book that is assigned
to that team, a strength coach or a assistant strength
to conditioning coach or an assistant like like Schumpert or
(28:16):
Joe Povlick or Hopkins.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
By the way, had Shump on the podcast last night?
Speaker 3 (28:20):
Really yeah, I had Chump on too.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
I saw that you had him on because I was
trying to get his background, his bio, see if he
had done any like other there's like articles about him
coaching and stuff. And then I saw the episode with
you pop up. So everybody that just listened to the
Shump episode, go and listen to Coach Lima's episode with him.
It's another interesting perspective.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
But like, we had these books that were assigned a
coach that would read the books with us, and a
mentor coach, and so Shump was actually your Schump and
Weisman were reading Ego as the Enemy with you when
you were a third round pick.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
Then got up to the third round. Baby, hear that. Everybody.
By the way, if you're watching the YouTube, take a
quick second to cause I've got there's a second half
of this of like how does this then play out?
What does this do for the team. We're gonna get
into all that. We've kind of done some of the logistics.
But if you're watching the YouTube, we're very very close
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where Kevin was picked in twenty fifteen, but don't tell me.
You're gonna tell me afterwards. Everybody, go on the YouTube,
go leave a comment where you think Kevin was picked?
(29:38):
What number pick out of So there was sixteen captain
and lieutenants, so there's gonna be about one hundred picks
in this draft. Closest to or the first one who
says the exact pick of Kevin Ward in this Hawkeye
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Kevin was.
Speaker 3 (32:08):
So I have it and if you if you want
to have a little bit of fun too, I have
when Ryan Ward was picked that year.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
Oh, I would love that. I would love when Ryan
and Kevin were picked. Well, well, we'll bring you there's.
Speaker 3 (32:19):
A common denominator here.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
I'm sure there is. So it was a very telling
moment when you sat there a couple of weeks into
the spring semesters. They've already done this at this point,
by the way, as you're listening to this podcast, they're
on their teams and it kind of it's that it's that,
you know, dodgeball moment, like you're in gym class. There's
two captains picked, and then they go one by one
(32:42):
and they pick you know, I don't know if they
do this anymore because we don't want to hurt kids feelings,
but you get picked, and if you're pick last, that's
your teammates telling you something. They're telling you, hey, we're
not really sure you're able to help this team out.
We're a little concerned actually about what you're able to
do discipline wise, team conduct wise, how are you going
(33:03):
to contribute? And then you're really if you're one of
those bottom three picks, you're kind of like one of
those people who they keep an eye on you. They're
trying to hold your hand. You're the liability on the team.
Everybody else is probably going to get their stuff done.
They're probably not going to cost the team points. It's
not about how many points you can gain, It's about
how many points you can keep yourself from losing out on.
(33:25):
And at the end of this competition, you know, we
get to August and I don't know when it officially
would end. Every year, the winning team would be up
around like two hundred and fifty three hundred thousand points.
I mean, there is that many points involved in this thing,
so I mean, yeah, you can kind of take it away.
I've talked for a little bit.
Speaker 3 (33:44):
So Kevin Wore, do you want me to just say
it or do you want to you want to take
a guest?
Speaker 1 (33:47):
No, no, no, no, I will take a guess, but
I don't want to reveal it because people will hear
it and then yeah, yeah, I'm guessing that in twenty
fifteen that would in our second off season. This will
help people out a little bit. I'm gonna guess he
was like in the forty is range forty now way higher?
(34:12):
Higher is in like later on?
Speaker 3 (34:14):
No, he got picked early?
Speaker 1 (34:15):
Oh okay, all right, all right.
Speaker 3 (34:18):
So Kevin Ward twenty second overall third round draft pick,
sixth in the third round.
Speaker 1 (34:24):
Wow, yeah, I remember that that was that pissed me
off a little bit. But it is what it is.
And you know, the points that you came in with
or the points that you earned during this challenge, think
of them as like a social currency. It was like
it was a lifetime.
Speaker 3 (34:42):
You guys ran the table. Oh dude. So in in
the summer you were you were after week one like,
you guys were literally the first. You guys were the
number one team the whole summer.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
Ran the gambit. Wow. We were not messing around that year.
Speaker 3 (35:00):
Man. You guys finished the year with one hundred and
eighty three and forty four points. Yeah. Yeah, we crossed
second place where the pirates, but they were thirteen thousand
behind you.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
Yeah. Shout out to my daughter right now, who whenever
she sees a pirate, she goes are pirate? Pirate kN
diesel starting to talk and have real ideas. So what
do you think coaches the value of that or how
how I mean, I don't think that can be understated
(35:35):
that that that just pure We're laying everything out on
the table to start the year, this is where you're at.
It could be a little embarrassing for some guys. It's
a wake up call for a lot of people, like
what do you.
Speaker 3 (35:47):
If Doyle did a great job at the very end
when so that everything gets done, he walks around literally
people would write their their pick on a piece of
on an index card, they'd hand it to him. He'd
read the name the person would get and they'd go
sit there like you said, so something like you're literally
sitting in the middle of a room by yourself, not picked,
and there might be eight of you left like you said,
(36:08):
you were there.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
We did it in the by the way, in twenty fourteen,
we did it in the indoor and you.
Speaker 3 (36:14):
Had to bring your own chair, yep. So to at
the very end of it, Doyle would always say, he goes, listen,
there have been people that were sitting in your chair
and they had one of two things. They said, my
team doesn't think that I'm reliable and they change, or
they say f this team and they don't. And he
used examples of people that did both, and so people
(36:35):
knew you were keenly aware of everything, and it did
it truly didn't matter where you were picked because there
was dudes that got picked early that were awful that
didn't pan out, and there were people that were picked
at the end. So it was it was still a
level playing field because now, hey, you were one of us,
you were in the group, and now we had to
(36:56):
try to love on you. But then after a certain
amount of time, if somebody doesn't do the things that
they need to do to be successful, like you have to.
It is a business. You do have to eventually cut ties.
So it just made everybody very keenly aware of everything
to help you heighten your awareness and understand you got
to do things the right way to be successful because
it will set you up for football, but it will
(37:18):
also set you up for life, and that is our job. Yep.
Speaker 1 (37:23):
So and as you guys can hear everything, everything was measured,
and I it doesn't mean that this was a perfect
system either. Do you remember or have any idea before
you took over what this looked like and how far
it really did Like how long have they had this implemented?
Was this all the way back.
Speaker 3 (37:43):
Then for a while, like they had this They had
this version of this at Harvard when I interned there
in eleven because Frage had been there before, Like, so
this hadvent like a version of this, but it's like
anything else. The original iPhone was okay, it wasn't anything
else like the other one, do you know what I mean?
Like it just it kept going back because Tad Crackley
out did this before me and so like it just
(38:06):
like everything else, it just got better and better with time.
Speaker 1 (38:10):
What do you think from the time you took over
to the time twenty seventeen was both of our last years, right,
what do you think we improved upon the most in
this and what still needed work when we left?
Speaker 3 (38:27):
What needed work? I mean, hindsight always helps, Like.
Speaker 1 (38:32):
Was there anything that we that that we graded or
gave points to or took away points from that you
think in retrospect, I don't know about that one.
Speaker 3 (38:42):
The sweep the shed thing, right, Like we got a
little obsessive with that one. I'll be on like that
one was like okay, hey, so and so left there
clear Like that one probably we could have been a
little less psychopathic about. But at the same time, we
were trying to help you guys not just leave your
stuff lying all over the place. Yeah, but if I
look at the point achievement, Like I would have liked
(39:05):
to if there was other ways to get you guys
to want to like award you for doing things outside
of as a team, like if you wanted to go
do a team activity. But like we it was so
common sense, like you know, not doing the things we
actually do do, not doing your athlete, not doing your
your nutrition stuff, getting bad grades, I like from.
Speaker 1 (39:29):
The coaching standpoint, and it felt I don't know, it
felt pretty clear as a player, but maybe from the
coacher's perspective it was even more clear, maybe less. It
seemed like how this played out because there was the team,
there was the team setting, but then there was also
the individual rankings, right.
Speaker 3 (39:48):
Yeah, and that was easy too because all I had
to do is I just took everything and divided it
by ten. So that was like all right. Within the
individual power rankings, Let's say you had, you know, you
got five hundred points for a position stuff, Well you
get fifty individual.
Speaker 1 (40:02):
Yeah did it?
Speaker 3 (40:05):
Did?
Speaker 1 (40:05):
The results of the individual rankings line up pretty directly
with how valuable you were to the team truly, Like
do you like okay? Because I think that in totality,
as you guys, who are the ones kind of putting
this on and setting up the structure of the point system.
(40:27):
I think that's what you guys outside of the team
camaraderie and the discipline and getting the team to buy
in on stuff. I think quantitatively, like when you look
at the number side of it, it's a success if
the numbers in the rankings match up directly with hey,
the number one player with points is our most valuable player,
(40:50):
or the top three to five guys, these are our
most valuable guys on the team when you consider everything
that they contribute, not just their on field play, abou
their leadership, how you know, all this stuff. And then
the bottom ten guys or the you know, probably even
the bottom twenty guys you're looking at and you're saying, yeah,
(41:11):
the points are reflecting exactly what these guys kind of
provide in a social setting on this football team. Like
they are not always like they aren't doing what they're
supposed to do. They're not the best at being disciplined,
they're not the best at making an effort to be
part of the Like that's if it lines up directly,
I think that was a success.
Speaker 3 (41:31):
Like look here one, two, three, four or five, top
five in twenty sixteen are all in the NFL right now,
and like everybody was shocked that Kittle did what he
did at the draft, but none of us work as
we saw it every day right He was fourth individual
power ranking. Anthony Nelson, still playing in the NFL, was fifth.
Parker Hesse had a cup of coffee. I think he's
(41:52):
still playing use he was a tight end. He was third,
Josie and then Matt Nelson.
Speaker 1 (41:57):
God, I mean it's so spot on.
Speaker 3 (42:00):
The right behind it, Drake Drake was sick.
Speaker 1 (42:04):
Wow that okay, we got I've got to give him that.
I gotta give him that info, like, hey, you know
the top five all in the league.
Speaker 3 (42:11):
You are not.
Speaker 1 (42:14):
You are not new Drake shirt potentially coming out, by
the way in the merch line. It's gonna be a
little bit of a like a funny comedy shirt, not
not like some big drop. But there was a there
was an episode where we were talking about Drake as
a friend and how loyal he is, and he dropped
he dropped a line that was, you know, I'm the
(42:36):
guy like if if you need somebody to call in
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Speaker 3 (42:49):
I forgot. My younger roommates are here because school is delayed.
I gotta go take him to school. Can I can?
I hop on a second round of this.
Speaker 1 (42:54):
No, you're good, you can go. We pretty much exhausted this,
and I can talk it out out at the back end.
Speaker 3 (42:59):
But took, I just realized that, No, you're my friend,
say ahead of Tyler, Hi, what's up? So's to school?
I forgot it is seventh or nine thirty six.
Speaker 1 (43:15):
Yeah, there it is. I don't want to. My daughter
does not want to either. I love it.
Speaker 3 (43:20):
I forgot. There was a two hour delay. They were
played madd and they were so quiet.
Speaker 1 (43:23):
Oh legends.
Speaker 3 (43:24):
All right.
Speaker 1 (43:24):
I appreciate you, coach for jumping on and doing all this.
You're welcome, brother, Hey, we'll see you later. See it anyway,
And there you have it, the real life of people
with kids. But I think Coach gave us a really good, uh,
a really really good idea of what that looked like
from the structure wise. I know this is really deep
(43:45):
in the weeds for a lot of people, but a
lot of people have asked for the exact like, hey,
what what is everything that you tracked? And for some
of the coaches out there, or I think even some
people in like professional business development team areas have asked
for this sort of thing to like run with their
professional teams. In a way, it's essentially like, hey, what
(44:09):
are the things that you should be doing to help
out this team, this company XYZ, And what are the
things that are detrimental that like you clearly should not
be doing. And you just assigned point values to those
and you track every single thing you do every day.
And again, like I said, at the end of the year,
at the end of the rankings, you really get a
(44:31):
one to one twenty five if that's how many people
are on the team, a true look at who is
helping and hurting this team. I think the example coach
gave there of the top five are still guys that
are in the NFL today from twenty sixteen, we're working
on a decade there. That's not just guys who went
to the NFL, which are incredible individuals and stories in
(44:53):
their own right, but guys who have now gone to
the league and extended their careers out past five to
six years. I was gonna I was going to relate
this or compare it to like you always hear about,
like is it China or something like China has like
the social currency or social what what would it even
(45:15):
be called. It's like a social value value score, and
it like follows you around. It's kind of like that.
I don't want to relate this to the Communist Party
of China, but I mean, to some extent, like it
is a little bit of big Brother. We were watching
everything you did, and there was a good reason for that,
(45:37):
and I think it sort of relates back to some
of the gripes that some of those players had when
the whole Doyle thing came up. Of man, it's hard
to be myself. It's hard to be a Division one
athlete and live my life and I feel like everything's
being watched. I feel like every little move I make
is being criticized and critiqued. And that's because to some
(45:57):
extent it was. And I think there are some individuals
who are really really good at handling that kind of thing.
I think there are some that are not. And every
individual on the back end of that takes away a
certain perception they have a certain perception of why things
were they the way they were. And I'll say this,
(46:20):
a lot of those individuals that had some public complaints,
you would have found them pretty low on those lists.
Things just tend to to kind of group together like that.
So hopefully you guys got a better look into the
deep dive of this Hawkeye Challenge Hawkeye Championship. I will say,
(46:40):
the team that won, how does this culminate?
Speaker 3 (46:43):
Right?
Speaker 1 (46:43):
How does this finish? The team that ended up winning
ended up getting a special like surf and turf dinner
on one of the final final days of summer that
was served to them at a championship like done up table,
while everybody else had to eat the normal training table,
(47:05):
which was always good anyway, but this was an extra
special meal where you got to like request certain like
high end foods. I mean, I'm talking like lobster, like
high end steak like it was. It was. It was
a fun time to be the winning team. And then
I believe the winning team we got like a championship
(47:27):
jacket when we won my senior year and a few
other things. And then in the end, the real value
is you hope that you created camaraderie, You hope that
the team grew closer because of this competition and and
yeah that was that was basically it so deep dive
(47:50):
into the Hawkeye Challenge Hawkeye Championship as it was eventually renamed.
And if you guys have any more questions about that,
hit me up. Lima has uh he has every detail
down to the to the point and can tell you
the structure and and the behind the scenes of all
that stuff. Sort of an interesting way to to foster
(48:12):
teamwork and it was always fun for me. I enjoyed
it as a as being part of the team and
it was it was fun. It made the off season
have a lot of importance and direction. Like I said earlier,
so appreciate everybody for joining the show once again. Another
great episode with Coach Lima, interrupted slightly by the children
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Speaker 3 (50:04):
Pull pun pun pun pun pun pun
On this episode of The Wash Up walk Ons. We
have talked about it many times, the Hawkeye Championship or
Hawkeye Challenge as it was at the beginning of our careers.
It's the off season competition within the team. The man
Justin Lima, was in charge of it during our time
in Iowa City. Just so happens, he likes to come
on this podcast, so we're going in full detail. What
does this look like for the guys in the off
(00:21):
season and why does it matter. Let's have a day, Let's.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Go Gosh, lighting sucks, everything sucks.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
Justin Lima back for another episode of the Wash Up
walk Ons podcast. The one of the best recurring guests
we have on this show.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
Appreciate the kind words. Appreciate everybody listening. I had another
person come up to me while getting a haircut and
they're like, are you just a liba? Like you should
have no idea who I am, But as a matter
of fact, I am. So the walk on reach is real.
Appreciate everybody, appreciate you. Cluve.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
So, yeah, I hope you. I hope you turned around
and said you're goddamn right I am.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
I did not, but apparently I should have. You should
have should.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Have been like, yeah, you want to roll, I'm a
black belt in jiu jitsu and strength, I'm a black
belt and strength condition.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
I'll take the black belt and strength and conditioning jiu
jitsu I am. I am not yet though.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
How many hours do you think you need? You think
ten thousand hours you're black.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
I have no idea because it's all going to depend
on the academy. Right. Most places are probably be like
you know, some of them might give it to you
quickly to say they have a lot of black belts,
but like they're not a real black belt. So it's
like the place that I'm AT's a gracie jiu jitsu gym,
so it's like, hey, you get.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
If you date they invented jiu jitsu right exactly.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
So it's like, hey, you know, if Josh Neer, who
is my black belt at the gym that I'm at,
who has a bunch of UFC fights, Like he's got
a UFC folk UFC posters in the gym where we
work out at, Like if he's like, hey, you're worthy
of any of these belts, it's like, all right, you
know you probably at least are and could be more how.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
Many hours do you think you need to be a
strength conditioning black belt?
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Fuck?
Speaker 3 (02:26):
At least at least yeah, because the cycle goes. You
come out of college, you think you know everything. Then
you start to realize, oh, I keep learning, I keep learning,
and then you hit this point where you're like, I
know nothing in every program works. Keep your mouth shut
and just help the kids.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
What is that? What principle is that.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
H Dunning Kerning effect where like when you know nothing,
you think you know everything, and when you know everything,
you think you know nothing.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
Yeah, it's great, It's so true.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
It really is.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
I've experienced that a lot in the last I don't
know five years of life, like in all areas of life,
like for me that prefrontal cortex development as a as
a human male right around twenty five or so, that
was a very real thing. And then the parenting, the
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parenting curve of like, oh, I know everything, and then
you know, career wise, there's been a lot of moves
that have happened in the last five years. It's just
like and then you get to it kind of goes
along with that dissolution of ego and you're like, wow,
I actually don't know shit. I have no idea what
I'm doing, and I just we're just we're just rolling along,
and that's sort of what we're doing with this podcast
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as well. Three minutes in, Welcome to the podcast. Glad
everybody's here again, Justin Lima joins us on a semi
like a monthly basis, We're going to try and figure
out a monthly basis or about there, and we're going
to talk about something that we've mentioned several times on
the show today. Over the last six years of doing
this podcast, many coaches of high school programs have reached
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out to us about this because they've wanted to do
something similar. Many just fans in general have asked a
lot of questions about this topic. What is in depth
the Hawkeye Championship, the Hawkeye Challenge.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
I am the black belt in this, so I will
give myself that I am the black belt in this.
So you already wanted to know, I'm.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
Your guy, Lima's the guy on it.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
I will tell, like, you know what I am. There's
no shame in me saying it I am. I'll take that.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
Where do we start on this?
Speaker 3 (04:32):
There's so much I'll tell you where we start. We
start with the packet that we used to give you guys. Okay,
and in the beginning of the packet, so to everybody
that liked to complain about things.
Speaker 4 (04:43):
Because like, so that's everybody by the way, correct, So
we would give the captains first of all, the captains
wouldn't even get the captains didn't get voted on at
the end until we would see everybody come back.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
So at first it was like, hey, team comes back
in January. Here's your ballots for captains week one. But
then we realized like we were doing leadership kind of
like at a deli where take your number in your
next in line and you get to be a leader
and a we were probably awarding kids captainship that didn't
deserve it, be we were missing out on kids that
needed it. So what we did is we made it
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where during that two week GPP phase and almost extended
it three weeks if it lined up with the recruiting
calendar and the coaches were gone, there would not be
a vote for three weeks, so we could see who
is a leader now. People would still be able to
gain in loose points if they were doing the right
thing or not doing the right thing, And I would
carry all of that with us into the draft, but
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we would wait until the very end and then we'd
vote on captains. Once we had captains, they either had
their lieutenant because if we had like sixteen kids that
got votes, we're like, all right, how do we help
these kids actually be in a position of leadership if
their peers view it. Let's put one with sixteen, two
with fifteen, and all the way down. So we would
pair these kids to give leadership opportunities, and then would
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meet with Coach Doyle and myself captains and their lieutenants,
and they would get a packet, and the packet it
would start off with the rules. In this very first
rule right here, if I look at number one, the
team will vote for captains first the lieutenant. Then within
the third rule, it says right here, they're reminded that
the point system is based on character, placing value on accountability,
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off field behavior, training, and community service performances in bold
now not athletic ability. Next sentence, the team that displays
the best character in bold right here will win this competition.
Captains must be inclusive and exclusive for the success of
the team. It's literally told to you right there, what
we're looking for in this championship and who we want
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for the team, Like, let's just start there. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Yeah, Well that's important, and that's especially important with some
of the stuff that kind of came out around the
Doyle stuff. There's a lot of stuff that I think
there's a lot of places to go here. I'll come
back to that for those that are five minutes into
this podcast now and you're like, whoa, we're just we're
jumping right into this. I'm gonna back us up one
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more step, justin and have you describe. So he did,
Coach Lima just perfectly described sort of the entry into
the off season and what this looked like for guys.
Will continue to get into that over the next hour.
As a whole macro ten thousand foot view. This Hawkeye Championship,
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Hawkeye Challenge, I think is when.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
It originally was Hawkeye Challenge, it got changed. I can
tell you exactly what year if I look at this,
you keep.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
Talking this, this is the off season competition. For those
that have not heard us mention this, this is the
in house off season competition where the team of one
hundred and twenty maybe one hundred and fifteen to one
hundred and twenty five individuals were then split up into
eight smaller teams. Think of it as like seventeen, okay,
(08:02):
so is my senior year. I was gonna use like, oh,
you know, if we are the Navy Seals, this is
like Seal Team one through eight. Right, it's teams within
the teams. And the reason for this is, and maybe
you can describe it better, say it better. It gave
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us as players more direction and structure in the off season.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
It also gave you guys opportunity to lead. It gave
young kids an opportunity to follow, because leaders are not leaders.
If nobody follows them, they're just a crazy person that
nobody's listening to. And it also allows you all to
have a greater pulse on the team. And if you
look back to one of the books that we read
as a or not as a team, but as one
of the team of teams, Extreme Ownership, JOCKO. Willing talks
about you can really lead six to eight people. Well,
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so if you think about it from a macro level, Okay,
typically you had around eight people on your team. If
you had twelve, but you had too lead each of
you could kind of lead six of them well and
then those captains could report back to Coach Doyle and
we could all you could work within that and have
really really good groups and team of teams. Another book
from McAllister. I don't know some other Navy person, but
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the team of teams books back there.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
Yeah, you're a big book guy. You've read. Coach has
read just ten thousand x more than I have, and
he has a way better memory. So this is why
this episode is going to be great. So this allowed
us to and I think one of the things that
did justin is especially as a young guy, this gave you. You
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come in your freshman season and everything is a whirlwind, right,
You're just trying to catch up, You're keeping your head
above water. Sometimes it feels directionless. You're just like I'm
just trying to survive. You get into the off season,
and this was a great exercise in giving young guys
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who may not have felt important during the season or
like they had a lot of structure and direction. It
now gave them a purpose, It gave them a reason
and very clearly laid out, Hey, you are important. You're
not just important, You're You're absolutely crucial to the success
of a smaller unit. And that was relayed top down,
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and as you said, layered into this competition was leadership, teamwork,
all of the things that you're looking for in a teammate.
It almost it incubated younger guys and older guys. It
was important for the older guys too, but especially the
younger guys. It incubated you into almost hyper speed working
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on all of the things and traits that you needed
to be a good team player in a smaller group.
And I don't think it was ever more apparent than
twenty fifteen. Obviously we bought in heavy. That's when the
slight edge came along. Drew Ott was one of the
captains that year and Miguel Rossinos, who would have been
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a second This this I mean because I was close
with Miguel, and this is just the story that comes
to mind. We'll get into it here and coach will
explain all the little things that are are scored, and
you guys are going to get a taste of like wow,
it was very like every little aspect of your life
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mattered as a Division one athlete in this, in this championship,
this challenge, Miguel felt that pressure in a good way
to perform, to show up for his captain, who has
drew ot to show up for his team to get points,
to be you know, to to compete, and he cared
so much that when he missed bodyweight, you know, some
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random day in the middle of the off season, that
cost them points. I won't dive too far into the
points system because it doesn't matter as much, but it
cost them points. If if everybody on your team made
body weight in a specific week, you got a certain
amount of bonus points. Miguel missed that body weight, not
the end of the world, but because he felt the
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pressure and the weight of not letting his team down.
Miguel was he was upset, he was in tears, like
in the locker room because he felt like he had
let his teammates down. Now some people may hear that
and go, wow, you guys are pushing this way too
way too far right. But what that really demonstrated to
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me was this, this competition, this offseason thing that we do,
was able to create that urgency of being a good teammate,
create the urgency of being accountable to the program or
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other people. And I think it very clearly showed who
was going to buy in and who wasn't and I
think if you look at the attrition rate of certain
classes and who failed out or who transferred out, or
didn't make it, whoever, you know, for whatever reason their
careers ended early, I bet the correlation with the individual
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points of this Hawkeye Championship would be very, very close.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
I'm looking at this thing right here. So you talk
about freshmen, right, and what we did too is we
tried to get them incorporated early on with like, holy cow,
this is incredible. When I look at this.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
I'm drinking my electrolytes. By the way, I'm not going
to say which company, but we need an electrolytees sponsor.
I'm freaking hydrated this morning.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
I got to put you in contact with the company
at Bubb's. There are another there's military military background, a
guy named Bob. His callsign was Bob. He was a
seal who died. In his will told his best friend
to start a supplement company if he with the money
and ten percent of all the proceeds go back to
the company.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Wow, that's incredible.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
Okay, So I'm looking at this here, first of all
with the freshman So I had a document right here
from twenty sixteen. It's the Freshman Added document where it
was all the freshmen that were getting added in that
summer coming in right, and we had to figure out
how to incorporate them, and we had to regress it. Right.
So we have this entire list right here, starting with
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my man tokes A Kinnabarade, all the way down all
the way down to Torn Young, cole Banwart, sho On Bayer,
Lance Billings, Tristan Bohorr. But like you have transfers like
ron Kaluzy, Keith Duncan's in this okay, the way that
we would put them in the way that I did it,
because like I said, I was the one to charge this,
I would go alphabetical instead of making it too hard.
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Because what the freshmen did is they couldn't lose. Like
they they were essentially put in and they were spoon
fed where it's like, hey, you are a part of
this team, but you're not going to gain or lose
any points. You're just a part of it, okay. And
so in this group right here, you have four NFL
players that were freshmen. They had they were that were
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just mentored, Golston Hockinson, Hooker, Alaric Jackson. Oh and they
were added based off of this. In the twenty sixteen competition,
they were added to the end the No Dickheads division,
remember from NBA. Yeah, because it was Crosston and Maven
with Ward and you and that team you that was
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your group of freshmen, right. And when I go through
this daily competition sheet, like if we just go to
like week seven, I mean, shoot, I go to week one,
this this will blow everybody's mind. So if I just
start in twenty sixteen week one, we have body weight,
So if people gain or lost body weight, then if
they would get extra points or not prowler push, so
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everything would be recorded if they If you would have
one rep with one of the coaches, is the other
rep with the other coach, you'd have your average. You'd
have to do good at both. You got points for
going and working at the Ladies Football Academy. You got
points for doing this cancer survivor event that Leane Akrey
went to. Points for hosting a recruit, points for doing
conduct detrimental to a team which we had here, missing
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a meeting, doing a sled sprint instead of a sled push,
missing training.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
Geez g geez oh by.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
Uh, missing your refueling shit drink before we were supposed
to go and train. So if you were a weight, missed conditioning,
So if you missed conditioning, you didn't lose points, but
you lost your perfect day points, all right, And so
that was another way to hold you accountable to it
missing your athlete. If it was the third time, if
you are a red flag body weight and you didn't improve,
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so like it didn't even have to be that you
made your weight, you just had to improve week three
if you didn't hand in your dietary analysis. So this
is us trying to help you and you don't hand
it in everything, man, every note the NDH division, Bolston
Hawkinson Hooker. That is insane to think that you have
want four NFL athletes added to your team.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
What's the what's the core?
Speaker 3 (17:10):
You know, the.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
Cause and effect? There is it? Because did we turn
them into NFL athletes?
Speaker 3 (17:16):
Probably good? Potentially you and Ward the glue of this.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
Hey consistency, man, Now what we added in twenty seventeen.
Speaker 3 (17:26):
Again, you want to take this even further. So in
twenty seventeen, now you guys can get points. Like everybody
thinks like, oh you know they're not. That sounds like
it's so bad. All right, Let's look at the point
achievement document that was sent out, but it was a
living document, So you can gain points by doing community
service if it's approved, doing training competitions, on field improvements.
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Like we said, if we do a sprint, that's a
timed event in week one, and we do the same weight,
the same everything the next week. I had everything documented,
so if you just improved, you could literally be in
last place. But if me, justin Lima, was an athlete
and I got better, I get points from my team. Yeah,
if you're a Golden Hawk, you get points. A's or
b's you get points. GPA above three you get points.
(18:10):
Team getting their bodyweight goal. If you help out with recruiting,
doing your football position study, perfect day, perfect week, perfect
semester mentor plan athlete compliance. So just doing what you're
supposed to do, you get points yep. The team. Those
quizzes that we used to take sweeping the sheds and
then remember this one. We would give you guys points
for eating a meal together. All you had to do
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is eat a meal together, take a picture, send it
to me or Doyle yep, and I would send it
to him to verify or he would send it to
me so I could update it. That's as easy, Like
there's a lot of ways to lose earn points now
miss losing points. It ain't that, it's all obviously it's
conduct destrimental of the team, missing curfew, your semester GPA,
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being bad, missing class, not going to a study hall,
missing training table, not going to a lift or a
meeting late or dismissed from training dz er F's missing rehab,
not getting your body weight.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
Man, I had had some detrimental grade points to my
team in twenty fourteen.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
Not apply it with your dietary analysis, not doing your athlete,
team not doing their athlete. And if you leave your
cleats or your shoes, like remember we were talking about
sweeping shed right, so it's like, hey, just pick up
after yourself like this this this is pretty like oh,
that sounds pretty simple, like but it just heightened your
awareness of like, hey, what you do is going to
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be under a magnifying glass in Kinnick. Let's put you
in a magnifying glass now.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
And it was God, this is oh, I don't think
this is not because I got this lived experience of
of I was one of these athletes. I do not
think of myself as.
Speaker 3 (19:53):
A as an FBS athlete.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
I really don't. And you know, this whole, this whole
lawsuit's gonna hopefully go through where I get my I
get my my payback. You're gonna get paid, We're gonna
get I think we're gonna get paid.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
What are you gonna get paid for? I'm not being
a I literally don't know what for what. So the.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
You know, there was like two lawsuits that went through.
They went you know, I don't know who brought them,
but like certain there's people that brought class actions against
the NCAA once all this NIL stuff came out. One
of them is like video game damages or whatever of
like being in a video and then the other is
like ten years worth of like NIL, Like anybody that
(20:36):
was a decade from the moment that from the moment
the NIL was passed, ten years before that, if you
were a part of a Division I football basketball program,
oh wow, you get some amount of like damages to that.
It was like two point eight billion dollars worth.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
Oh that okay, within that you might get a little
bit of that, yeah, oh wow, a little chunk. Good
for you.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
A little chunk that's a pretty decent chunk. Hopefully, hopefully
I'm not gonna speak too soon because I don't know.
But anyway, I truly believe that any success I have,
or any positive quality, most of them that I have
right now at thirty years old, is very, very, very
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highly linked to being put through the ringer of having
to figure out discipline and accountability and being under the microscope,
much of which came from this offseason championship. You're in
the off season for a lot longer than you're in
the d season. It's a two to one ratio, so
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most of your life you're living in this state of
everything I do is worth points or it's or it's
minus points right for my team, and if I'm constantly
losing points for our team, everybody knows that the point
sheets were posted, the individual rankings were posted, the team
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rankings were posted. And I don't think that ninety nine
point nine percent of people have ever been under a
microscope on an hourly, move by move, day by day,
week by week basis for four years of their life
like we were in this situation, and I think that
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it bred absolute discipline monsters.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
Why do you think most people get mad that they
can't just half asset at the gym, because most people
call it what it is. Yeah, they can half asset
at work. Let's say they work a four Let's say
they actually work four out of the eight hours. They
still get a normal paycheck. Yeah, so when they go
to the gym, they probably think that they can get
away with half the.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
Effort discipline monsters. I don't think some of you listening
would make it. I'm just gonna be honest. I know
that because I watched over fifty percent of people, you know,
figure out a way.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
Can we also talk about the fact that I'm looking
at this freshman added thing right here, and we handed
out to all the captains who could then dismantle the information. However,
they wanted the name, hometown, and phone number of every
one of the freshmen. So it wasn't like, oh, here's
this kid. It was like we kind of gave you
a little bit of like, Hey, here's his hometown, here's
(23:17):
his phone number, get him in your group chat start
talking like again, we could have done a better job.
And we've talked about that on the previous episodes. That
we waited for our individual meetings to be in the
winter after they had already been here for a summer
in an in season. Yeah, but like to think that
it was just kind of negligent, like hometown and phone
number at the very like we're talking like, okay, captain,
(23:37):
like you're supposed to be a captain. You've been voted
on as a leader, like help me.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
Yeah, you know what I think is one of the
and it was such a strong way to start it off.
Is and we've talked about this too, but not in
such detail. Is the way that this would happen for
everybody that's listening right now is we would get through
those first couple of weeks and what that means means
is points were still being tracked. You came into the draft,
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which is one of the most vulnerable, just out there
events that you could take place in. You came into
the draft with a number by your name, Lima put
together a spreadsheet. We sat in the All American Room,
which is where everybody fit one hundred plus people. The
staff were there, everybody attended this thing, and you sat
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out there like it's the NFL Draft and on the
massive projector everybody's up there looking at it, it was
your name and how many points that you already had accumulated,
positive or negative, and that's how many points you were
then going to take to your new team. So the
captains are sitting there at the edge of the room
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looking at the spreadsheet. They all had computers with it
in front of them as well.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
Yeah, I got this thing right here in front.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
Thinking, am I going to draft this guy? He's already
shown me two to three weeks worth of what he's
going to do. How many points has he already accumulated?
And if you had read, if your number was read
and you were in the you were in the negative points.
It was up there for everybody to see. And then
one by one, just like on the playground in the
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times where we weren't soft pussies of the United States
of America, you got picked and somebody had to be
picked last, and that somebody was me twice And that
is a vulnerable, exposing moment. And it wasn't because I
had negative points the first couple of years. Specialists just
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aren't a real high commodity as much as it's not
as an athletic thing. The specialists usually aren't going to
go very high in the draft. And so I sat
there and I don't think I was dead last, but
I was in one of the last five picks. I
think in twenty thirteen and twenty four or well it
would have been twenty fourteen, and then maybe twenty fifteen.
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I was like in the eighties somewhere or something like that.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
Let's look for where seven for it was.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
Yeah, fine, I want to find what mine.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
Yeah was Miguel. Miguel went into it a little bit negative,
so you did bring him up. Okay, so you were
you were actually you were a sixth round pick to
Hillier and making Plev So you were on team Harvest
in fifteen. In fifteen, yeah, you went sixth round to
Hillier and Pleva. I was having Jordan's where Bobauer and
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Jordan were picks one and two. Vanderberg went three. But
let's see twenty fourteen.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
Yeah, see if you can find twenty fourteen I was.
I would love to know what. I'm pretty sure I
was the bottom five, bottom six pick. I would have
been like pick one hundred or something.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
Okay, two thousand. This is going to take my my
laptop takes is going to take a little bit longer
than my mask. Open this thing up.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
Oh no, you're good. We've already had the technical issues
for people listening. We started this thing like ten or
twelve minutes late because my computer decided to update in
the middle of the night. I'm not even sure if
it's alive anymore.
Speaker 3 (27:04):
After Hoover. Yeah, so you were. You were a final
round pick for Mark Weisman's team.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
Yeah, tell me, baby, tell me you were.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
I mean it was.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
Yeah, you were last on the playground.
Speaker 3 (27:16):
My man, you actually, Holy cow, if I showed you
the name of like so you you technically weren't last.
You were an eleventh round pick. No, there was one, two, three, four, five, six,
There was seven people taking after you.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
No, let's go.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
I wasn't, but you were one of the final eight technically, yeah,
like you were a like because his eight teams. You
were a last round pick.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
I was bottom man on the total poll of our team.
Speaker 3 (27:40):
And you had LeVar as your captain. LaVar was your
your mentor coache yep, yep, Mark Weisman, you guys were
the rock Breakers.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
Shout out to Weiss for taking a chance on me.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
The rock Breakers.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
Good. Yeah, that was a good name.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
But now, like, think about how much this thing had
evolved because Okay, that was fourteen. Right when I'm looking
at the draft. When I look at the seventeen draft,
there's a team name, there's a book that is assigned
to that team, a strength coach or a assistant strength
to conditioning coach or an assistant like like Schumpert or
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Joe Povlick or Hopkins.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
By the way, had Shump on the podcast last night?
Speaker 3 (28:20):
Really yeah, I had Chump on too.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
I saw that you had him on because I was
trying to get his background, his bio, see if he
had done any like other there's like articles about him
coaching and stuff. And then I saw the episode with
you pop up. So everybody that just listened to the
Shump episode, go and listen to Coach Lima's episode with him.
It's another interesting perspective.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
But like, we had these books that were assigned a
coach that would read the books with us, and a
mentor coach, and so Shump was actually your Schump and
Weisman were reading Ego as the Enemy with you when
you were a third round pick.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
Then got up to the third round. Baby, hear that. Everybody.
By the way, if you're watching the YouTube, take a
quick second to cause I've got there's a second half
of this of like how does this then play out?
What does this do for the team. We're gonna get
into all that. We've kind of done some of the logistics.
But if you're watching the YouTube, we're very very close
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You're gonna tell me afterwards. Everybody, go on the YouTube,
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(29:38):
What number pick out of So there was sixteen captain
and lieutenants, so there's gonna be about one hundred picks
in this draft. Closest to or the first one who
says the exact pick of Kevin Ward in this Hawkeye
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Speaker 3 (31:15):
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you're at the hands at the the energy company. I
think one of our a live a Live time was
the was the name of one of one of my teams.
Speaker 3 (31:49):
Correct, that was that was the ego's enemy in twenty seventeen,
Like I was saying, and.
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Back to the show, I'm very curious to know what
Kevin was.
Speaker 3 (32:08):
So I have it and if you if you want
to have a little bit of fun too, I have
when Ryan Ward was picked that year.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
Oh, I would love that. I would love when Ryan
and Kevin were picked. Well, well, we'll bring you there's.
Speaker 3 (32:19):
A common denominator here.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
I'm sure there is. So it was a very telling
moment when you sat there a couple of weeks into
the spring semesters. They've already done this at this point,
by the way, as you're listening to this podcast, they're
on their teams and it kind of it's that it's that,
you know, dodgeball moment, like you're in gym class. There's
two captains picked, and then they go one by one
(32:42):
and they pick you know, I don't know if they
do this anymore because we don't want to hurt kids feelings,
but you get picked, and if you're pick last, that's
your teammates telling you something. They're telling you, hey, we're
not really sure you're able to help this team out.
We're a little concerned actually about what you're able to
do discipline wise, team conduct wise, how are you going
(33:03):
to contribute? And then you're really if you're one of
those bottom three picks, you're kind of like one of
those people who they keep an eye on you. They're
trying to hold your hand. You're the liability on the team.
Everybody else is probably going to get their stuff done.
They're probably not going to cost the team points. It's
not about how many points you can gain, It's about
how many points you can keep yourself from losing out on.
(33:25):
And at the end of this competition, you know, we
get to August and I don't know when it officially
would end. Every year, the winning team would be up
around like two hundred and fifty three hundred thousand points.
I mean, there is that many points involved in this thing,
so I mean, yeah, you can kind of take it away.
I've talked for a little bit.
Speaker 3 (33:44):
So Kevin Wore, do you want me to just say
it or do you want to you want to take
a guest?
Speaker 1 (33:47):
No, no, no, no, I will take a guess, but
I don't want to reveal it because people will hear
it and then yeah, yeah, I'm guessing that in twenty
fifteen that would in our second off season. This will
help people out a little bit. I'm gonna guess he
was like in the forty is range forty now way higher?
(34:12):
Higher is in like later on?
Speaker 3 (34:14):
No, he got picked early?
Speaker 1 (34:15):
Oh okay, all right, all right.
Speaker 3 (34:18):
So Kevin Ward twenty second overall third round draft pick,
sixth in the third round.
Speaker 1 (34:24):
Wow, yeah, I remember that that was that pissed me
off a little bit. But it is what it is.
And you know, the points that you came in with
or the points that you earned during this challenge, think
of them as like a social currency. It was like
it was a lifetime.
Speaker 3 (34:42):
You guys ran the table. Oh dude. So in in
the summer you were you were after week one like,
you guys were literally the first. You guys were the
number one team the whole summer.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
Ran the gambit. Wow. We were not messing around that year.
Speaker 3 (35:00):
Man. You guys finished the year with one hundred and
eighty three and forty four points. Yeah. Yeah, we crossed
second place where the pirates, but they were thirteen thousand
behind you.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
Yeah. Shout out to my daughter right now, who whenever
she sees a pirate, she goes are pirate? Pirate kN
diesel starting to talk and have real ideas. So what
do you think coaches the value of that or how
how I mean, I don't think that can be understated
(35:35):
that that that just pure We're laying everything out on
the table to start the year, this is where you're at.
It could be a little embarrassing for some guys. It's
a wake up call for a lot of people, like
what do you.
Speaker 3 (35:47):
If Doyle did a great job at the very end
when so that everything gets done, he walks around literally
people would write their their pick on a piece of
on an index card, they'd hand it to him. He'd
read the name the person would get and they'd go
sit there like you said, so something like you're literally
sitting in the middle of a room by yourself, not picked,
and there might be eight of you left like you said,
(36:08):
you were there.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
We did it in the by the way, in twenty fourteen,
we did it in the indoor and you.
Speaker 3 (36:14):
Had to bring your own chair, yep. So to at
the very end of it, Doyle would always say, he goes, listen,
there have been people that were sitting in your chair
and they had one of two things. They said, my
team doesn't think that I'm reliable and they change, or
they say f this team and they don't. And he
used examples of people that did both, and so people
(36:35):
knew you were keenly aware of everything, and it did
it truly didn't matter where you were picked because there
was dudes that got picked early that were awful that
didn't pan out, and there were people that were picked
at the end. So it was it was still a
level playing field because now, hey, you were one of us,
you were in the group, and now we had to
(36:56):
try to love on you. But then after a certain
amount of time, if somebody doesn't do the things that
they need to do to be successful, like you have to.
It is a business. You do have to eventually cut ties.
So it just made everybody very keenly aware of everything
to help you heighten your awareness and understand you got
to do things the right way to be successful because
it will set you up for football, but it will
(37:18):
also set you up for life, and that is our job. Yep.
Speaker 1 (37:23):
So and as you guys can hear everything, everything was measured,
and I it doesn't mean that this was a perfect
system either. Do you remember or have any idea before
you took over what this looked like and how far
it really did Like how long have they had this implemented?
Was this all the way back.
Speaker 3 (37:43):
Then for a while, like they had this They had
this version of this at Harvard when I interned there
in eleven because Frage had been there before, Like, so
this hadvent like a version of this, but it's like
anything else. The original iPhone was okay, it wasn't anything
else like the other one, do you know what I mean?
Like it just it kept going back because Tad Crackley
out did this before me and so like it just
(38:06):
like everything else, it just got better and better with time.
Speaker 1 (38:10):
What do you think from the time you took over
to the time twenty seventeen was both of our last years, right,
what do you think we improved upon the most in
this and what still needed work when we left?
Speaker 3 (38:27):
What needed work? I mean, hindsight always helps, Like.
Speaker 1 (38:32):
Was there anything that we that that we graded or
gave points to or took away points from that you
think in retrospect, I don't know about that one.
Speaker 3 (38:42):
The sweep the shed thing, right, Like we got a
little obsessive with that one. I'll be on like that
one was like okay, hey, so and so left there
clear Like that one probably we could have been a
little less psychopathic about. But at the same time, we
were trying to help you guys not just leave your
stuff lying all over the place. Yeah, but if I
look at the point achievement, Like I would have liked
(39:05):
to if there was other ways to get you guys
to want to like award you for doing things outside
of as a team, like if you wanted to go
do a team activity. But like we it was so
common sense, like you know, not doing the things we
actually do do, not doing your athlete, not doing your
your nutrition stuff, getting bad grades, I like from.
Speaker 1 (39:29):
The coaching standpoint, and it felt I don't know, it
felt pretty clear as a player, but maybe from the
coacher's perspective it was even more clear, maybe less. It
seemed like how this played out because there was the team,
there was the team setting, but then there was also
the individual rankings, right.
Speaker 3 (39:48):
Yeah, and that was easy too because all I had
to do is I just took everything and divided it
by ten. So that was like all right. Within the
individual power rankings, Let's say you had, you know, you
got five hundred points for a position stuff, Well you
get fifty individual.
Speaker 1 (40:02):
Yeah did it?
Speaker 3 (40:05):
Did?
Speaker 1 (40:05):
The results of the individual rankings line up pretty directly
with how valuable you were to the team truly, Like
do you like okay? Because I think that in totality,
as you guys, who are the ones kind of putting
this on and setting up the structure of the point system.
(40:27):
I think that's what you guys outside of the team
camaraderie and the discipline and getting the team to buy
in on stuff. I think quantitatively, like when you look
at the number side of it, it's a success if
the numbers in the rankings match up directly with hey,
the number one player with points is our most valuable player,
(40:50):
or the top three to five guys, these are our
most valuable guys on the team when you consider everything
that they contribute, not just their on field play, abou
their leadership, how you know, all this stuff. And then
the bottom ten guys or the you know, probably even
the bottom twenty guys you're looking at and you're saying, yeah,
(41:11):
the points are reflecting exactly what these guys kind of
provide in a social setting on this football team. Like
they are not always like they aren't doing what they're
supposed to do. They're not the best at being disciplined,
they're not the best at making an effort to be
part of the Like that's if it lines up directly,
I think that was a success.
Speaker 3 (41:31):
Like look here one, two, three, four or five, top
five in twenty sixteen are all in the NFL right now,
and like everybody was shocked that Kittle did what he
did at the draft, but none of us work as
we saw it every day right He was fourth individual
power ranking. Anthony Nelson, still playing in the NFL, was fifth.
Parker Hesse had a cup of coffee. I think he's
(41:52):
still playing use he was a tight end. He was third,
Josie and then Matt Nelson.
Speaker 1 (41:57):
God, I mean it's so spot on.
Speaker 3 (42:00):
The right behind it, Drake Drake was sick.
Speaker 1 (42:04):
Wow that okay, we got I've got to give him that.
I gotta give him that info, like, hey, you know
the top five all in the league.
Speaker 3 (42:11):
You are not.
Speaker 1 (42:14):
You are not new Drake shirt potentially coming out, by
the way in the merch line. It's gonna be a
little bit of a like a funny comedy shirt, not
not like some big drop. But there was a there
was an episode where we were talking about Drake as
a friend and how loyal he is, and he dropped
he dropped a line that was, you know, I'm the
(42:36):
guy like if if you need somebody to call in
the middle of the night to bury a body, I've
got a shovel in time and people want a shirt
with Drake's face on it that says I've got that guy.
Speaker 3 (42:49):
I forgot. My younger roommates are here because school is delayed.
I gotta go take him to school. Can I can?
I hop on a second round of this.
Speaker 1 (42:54):
No, you're good, you can go. We pretty much exhausted this,
and I can talk it out out at the back end.
Speaker 3 (42:59):
But took, I just realized that, No, you're my friend,
say ahead of Tyler, Hi, what's up? So's to school?
I forgot it is seventh or nine thirty six.
Speaker 1 (43:15):
Yeah, there it is. I don't want to. My daughter
does not want to either. I love it.
Speaker 3 (43:20):
I forgot. There was a two hour delay. They were
played madd and they were so quiet.
Speaker 1 (43:23):
Oh legends.
Speaker 3 (43:24):
All right.
Speaker 1 (43:24):
I appreciate you, coach for jumping on and doing all this.
You're welcome, brother, Hey, we'll see you later. See it anyway,
And there you have it, the real life of people
with kids. But I think Coach gave us a really good, uh,
a really really good idea of what that looked like
from the structure wise. I know this is really deep
(43:45):
in the weeds for a lot of people, but a
lot of people have asked for the exact like, hey,
what what is everything that you tracked? And for some
of the coaches out there, or I think even some
people in like professional business development team areas have asked
for this sort of thing to like run with their
professional teams. In a way, it's essentially like, hey, what
(44:09):
are the things that you should be doing to help
out this team, this company XYZ, And what are the
things that are detrimental that like you clearly should not
be doing. And you just assigned point values to those
and you track every single thing you do every day.
And again, like I said, at the end of the year,
at the end of the rankings, you really get a
(44:31):
one to one twenty five if that's how many people
are on the team, a true look at who is
helping and hurting this team. I think the example coach
gave there of the top five are still guys that
are in the NFL today from twenty sixteen, we're working
on a decade there. That's not just guys who went
to the NFL, which are incredible individuals and stories in
(44:53):
their own right, but guys who have now gone to
the league and extended their careers out past five to
six years. I was gonna I was going to relate
this or compare it to like you always hear about,
like is it China or something like China has like
the social currency or social what what would it even
(45:15):
be called. It's like a social value value score, and
it like follows you around. It's kind of like that.
I don't want to relate this to the Communist Party
of China, but I mean, to some extent, like it
is a little bit of big Brother. We were watching
everything you did, and there was a good reason for that,
(45:37):
and I think it sort of relates back to some
of the gripes that some of those players had when
the whole Doyle thing came up. Of man, it's hard
to be myself. It's hard to be a Division one
athlete and live my life and I feel like everything's
being watched. I feel like every little move I make
is being criticized and critiqued. And that's because to some
(45:57):
extent it was. And I think there are some individuals
who are really really good at handling that kind of thing.
I think there are some that are not. And every
individual on the back end of that takes away a
certain perception they have a certain perception of why things
were they the way they were. And I'll say this,
(46:20):
a lot of those individuals that had some public complaints,
you would have found them pretty low on those lists.
Things just tend to to kind of group together like that.
So hopefully you guys got a better look into the
deep dive of this Hawkeye Challenge Hawkeye Championship. I will say,
(46:40):
the team that won, how does this culminate?
Speaker 3 (46:43):
Right?
Speaker 1 (46:43):
How does this finish? The team that ended up winning
ended up getting a special like surf and turf dinner
on one of the final final days of summer that
was served to them at a championship like done up table,
while everybody else had to eat the normal training table,
(47:05):
which was always good anyway, but this was an extra
special meal where you got to like request certain like
high end foods. I mean, I'm talking like lobster, like
high end steak like it was. It was. It was
a fun time to be the winning team. And then
I believe the winning team we got like a championship
(47:27):
jacket when we won my senior year and a few
other things. And then in the end, the real value
is you hope that you created camaraderie, You hope that
the team grew closer because of this competition and and
yeah that was that was basically it so deep dive
(47:50):
into the Hawkeye Challenge Hawkeye Championship as it was eventually renamed.
And if you guys have any more questions about that,
hit me up. Lima has uh he has every detail
down to the to the point and can tell you
the structure and and the behind the scenes of all
that stuff. Sort of an interesting way to to foster
(48:12):
teamwork and it was always fun for me. I enjoyed
it as a as being part of the team and
it was it was fun. It made the off season
have a lot of importance and direction. Like I said earlier,
so appreciate everybody for joining the show once again. Another
great episode with Coach Lima, interrupted slightly by the children
at the end. All good check out Eagle Point Solar.
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last episode was shump. I think the next episode is
I'm hoping. I'm hoping that it it happens, because every
time we book a guest, I'm worried they're going to
back out or have something come up. We should be
recording with Nick Jackson snubbed from the NFL combine. Nick
(48:58):
Jackson is is hopefully going to be recording with us
tomorrow night as I record this. That should be a
great interview. Can't wait to tell his story, which is
a very unique one and he did a lot of
great things in the Hawkeye uniform. So again, thank you
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