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How are you, sir? Good? Thank you, how are you?
I'm wonderful, wonderful, What apleasure to talk to you. Man,
got it icon on the show today. Into the Void is the book.
The paperback edition will be out onthe eighteenth of June. Filling the Void
is the on the road show thatyou're taken to cities all across America.
(00:25):
You'll be at the Gothic Theater onthe twenty second of this month join us
for a night of discussion with BlackSabbaths bassist and chief Lyricistkiser Butler, hosted
by comedian and fellow metalhead Brian Pouschinand a Q and A from the audience,
which is really cool. I thinkthat's a great way to give back
to the audience and you know who, we can and sell some books,
(00:47):
right. Yeah, it's going tobe hopefully it's going to be a lot
of fun as well with Brian thereas well. No, he's great,
it's going to be good. Goodto have the feedback from the fans as
well. Some of the greatest soI ever written have been written by this
man that I'm talking to right now. I mean, you helped create a
genre of music. You inspired countlessof people to pick up the bass.
(01:11):
I think we have to go backto your childhood. We have to take
a look at post World War twoEngland in how that shaped your opinions and
interests to know where this mind cameup with these lyrics. Well, for
the because it was England was stilllike in a terrible state after Like I
was born in nineteen forty nine,which is four years after the World War
(01:34):
two ended. But everything where Iwas born in Birmingham. Birmingham like supplied
most of the ammunition, built thespitfires, built the engines for the for
the bombers, all the armaments camefrom Birmingham. So Birmingham got completely battered
(01:55):
by the Luftwaffer and where I wasborn, like half the street was still
like rubble, and we used toplay play in the rubble on the old
bom bombed building sites and got downthe air raid shelters and it was just
(02:15):
to me, it was fun.It was a great place to play in
because it was totally wrecked. Butthis but the food and everything like that
was still rationed until nineteen fifty five, so you had to have like wherever
the government would give you until nineteenfifty five, which wasn't a lot food
(02:37):
wires, so pretty tough. Growingup, it was yeah, you know,
when you're a kid, you don'tknow any difference. So it was
you make fun and fun, youknow, make whatever fun you can.
When did you meet Arsie because youwere in a band together when you were
teenagers? Right, yeah, Isee you lived, I mean the whole
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all the bands, all the Sabbathband lived, literally lived like two,
two or three streets away from eachother. And Ozzie. I was a
Catholic and Ozzie went to the Protestantschool which I used to walk past on
the way to Catholic school. Weused to not with Ozzie, but some
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of the Protestant kids used to tryand beat the Catholic kids up, and
because we were all Irish, weused to beat hell out of them.
And then eventually I saw Ozzie.We used to go. He used to
go to this club in up inBirmingham City Center and they used to have
(03:44):
all nighters and I used to goto the rock club. Ozzie used to
go to the soul club and we'dboth like Sunday morning in five a m.
Sunday morning, and we believe inthese all night of clubs, and
I'd see him across the road andeventually, you know, we got together.
And so do you share some ofthe same influences as some of your
(04:06):
bandmates? You know that that fiftiesrock and roll, the Beatles, stuff
like that. I had three brothersthat were older than me, and two
of them were into Elvis, geeneVincent Eddie Cochran, which I quite liked.
But my band was the Beatles.When they came along. First time
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I heard the Beatles, it waslike, Wow, this is incredible,
this is speaking to me. Itwas like my generation and that's what That's
what I wanted to be. Wantedto be a Beatle or a musician.
So why the bass rhythm? Whenwe got together with Tony and Bill Ward
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rhythm? I was a rhythm guitarist. I used to play a lot of
Beatles stuff and things in the bandwith ours, and rhythm guitarists were sort
of going out, going out ofstar since Hendrix was big, Cream was
big with Eric Clapton, and theydidn't have rhythm guitarists anymore. So it
sort of old hat. So whenI got together with the Sabbath guys or
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switched to bass. So you know, here you are alive and you're about
to put Black Sabbath together in thisperiod where I mean, it's like the
second generation of rock. It's thefirst generation of rock coming out of England,
but it's the second generation that wasinfluenced by all the American you know,
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rock and roll. You had theBeatles, the Stones, Jimmy Hendricks,
you had Cream. I mean,what was it like, you know,
walking around and seeing these people.I mean it was amazing when not
seeing the beat also seeing the Stones, I wouldn't see the Kinks, all
these new bands, you know,at that particular time. It was just
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the atmosphere was incredible. Back thenin England, there was like every week
seemed to be a new band comingout, successful bands, and because they
were sort of like the Beatles werekind of working class from Liverpool and they
didn't have the posh accents like mostof the a lot of the older rock
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and rollers always tried to put onan American accent and dismally failed. And
the Beatles were the first ones toactually speak with their local accents, which
when we were like that, ohyeah, they've got Liverpool accents, we
can have Burmiam accents, and sothat you know, that was a good
influence, a good way into it, and just everything was happening is a
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really amazing time back then there wasI mean, you've got these icons of
rock and roll that are your peers. I mean, you're you're, you're
just a few years younger than theseguys and they're you know, just oozing
all this creativity, this talent,the musicianship was at a whole different level.
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And this is like, you know, a new day for rock and
roll. It must have just beenamazing. Yeah, and especially for us
when Led Zeppelin came out, becausewe knew Robert Plant and John Bonham they
were from the Birmingham as well,or just outside Birmingham, so we saw,
you know, these are local guys, so gives us a chance as
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well. And you didn't have totravel down to London and make your name
in London to get anywhere. Andso that was a big influence Zeppelin because
you know, local guys that weknew. There was such a concentrated pool
of talent. It's just unbelievable.Yeah. And the Moody Blues as well,
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they live locally, so you knowit gave us inspiration. Well,
you know, you've written some ofthe greatest songs ever. Five of the
songs that you have written are inmy top twenty. You know, to
have that sort of insight at twentytwo years old to write war Pigs is
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pretty phenomenal. I mean, thatsong will See came a bet because we
used to play do these gigs inGermany and one of them was an American
Army base, military base, andwhat happened when the soldiers were finished in
Vietnam, they'd come to Germany asa sort of halfway point before they went
(08:33):
home to America, so they could, you know, decompress from all the
horrors that they'd seen in Vietnam.And we used to play these basses and
get talk to the soldiers that werethere, and they used to tell us
all these horror stories that were goingon. And that's what God me the
inspiration for war Pigs, because theseguys were like us, you know,
(08:54):
just same as us. They didn'twant to fight and see these horrible things
like young people are like nineteen twentyor men and coming out with these awful
stories. And I just had toput that into lyrics, which is war
Pigs. Yeah, it's probably thegreatest anti war song ever written. Thanks,
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you're welcome. I mean that,you know. I love Black Sabbath
the change my life. He cameup with the band's name and you and
Tony started downtuning on masters. Whoseidea was that? Where did that come
from? Tony's idea because he hadthese He had a work in Plaace when
he used to work in a factory, and they had these like guillotine things,
(09:41):
and one of the guillotines got stuckand Tony was trying to fix it,
and the guillotine came down cut theends of his two of his fingers
off, so he had to hewas determined to play guitar, so he
had to make ends for his fingers, and he made them out of old
(10:03):
washing liquid bottles. It melt theplastic great little fingertips onto his fingers and
then cover that with bits of leatherso he could grip the strings. And
it was really hurting him to play, so he got the idea, I'm
going to tune down the strings tomake it softer on my fingers. And
(10:24):
that's the way the whole saund kidLet's talk real quick, because I know
that coming up at the Filling theVoid show at the Gothic on the twenty
second of this month, you're goingto be talking about a lot of this
stuff. And I don't want to, you know, ruin it for the
Denver audience, but I got totalk to you about the decadence of Volume
four. I mean that has tobe legendary. I read that you spend
(10:46):
more on cocaine than you did onthe making of the album. Yes,
I'm afraid. So everybody refers tothat period as a great time. Everybody
had. Everybody's biography says that fulllunatics together in this great, big mansion
(11:07):
in Beverly Hills, and you know, we finally got some money and just
it's just like party time basically.And this was the first self produced Black
Sabbath record, right. Volume fourwas the first time that we had a
manager at the time was put hisname down as producer. He didn't have
(11:28):
a clue about He just wanted theextra money. He didn't have a clue
about producing, So it was downto the band, you know, whatever
we wanted it to sound like.So just a crazy time, a lot
of coke, lot of acid andthen some really creative music. I read
that Tony Iomi taught himself how toplay piano in that mansion in bel Air
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there was a piano. Yeah,it just happened that there was a full
sized grand piano there and he'd neverplayed piano before. And he sat down
and came out with the music forchanges, which was on the Volume four
album, and I quickly write thelyrics to it. Ozzi came up with
the vocal line and that was itnew song. Was it easy for you
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to look through Ozzie's eyes and writefor Ozzie or did you not approach it
that way? Because Ozzie once I'dstarted writing lyrics, I was like,
that was it. It was likealways left to me to write the lyrics,
and Ozzie used to come up witha vocal line and then I'd like
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go syllable by syllable right into hisvocal lines and that's and it worked,
and that's the way we carried onfrom there. Now, you left in
seventy nine, right didn't you leavebriefly? And why did you leave?
In seventy nine? I was goingthrough a divorce back in England. Ozzi
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had left the Well had been firedfrom the band, and it's just so
much. I was I packed updoing drugs and I was coming down from
that, and I was going throughthis horrific divorce back in England and I
just couldn't concentrate on the music.And with that Ozsi gone and to me,
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it was like a totally different eraof the band and of my life.
So I had to go back toEngland to sort my divorce, and
once that was sorted out, cameback to the band writing. Ronnie James
Dial was the new singer. Ronniecame in. We'd been writing stuff with
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Ozzy, but Ozzie just wasn't interestedinterested in the stuff that we were writing,
and which is one of the reasonswhy Tony wanted him out the band,
because Ozzie was in a really badway. He needed something else in
his life, and we played that. Ronnie came in, We played the
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stuff that Ozzie wasn't interested in doing, and Ronnie came out with these incredible
vocal lines for it, and hewrote his own lyrics as well, So
it was like a whole new erafor the band. So I know it's
hard and I'm not trying to putyou in a position, But which singer
did you prefer? I love themboth. I mean everybody, lots of
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people have their own opinions. Ozziewas much more of a front man than
Ronnie was, but Ronnie had thevocal range. So two totally different people
and totally different vocal styles. SoI love them both equally. Did did
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you enjoy your time more with eitherone of those singers as much better?
Because the band were going it's eithergoing to split up and all go our
own ways or try and build onwhat was left when Ronnie came in.
And when Ronnie came in, hetotally revitalized the band. Yeah. Great,
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I love those two records. Heavenin Hell, Mob Rules, great
records, Big Running too. Itwas brilliant. If you hook back up
with Ozzie. You did a coupleof solo records and tours with Ozzie,
So I mean, you guys aretight. You got you got this long
history. You know, you partiedtogether at the early ages. You you
grew up in Birmingham together, soyou know it must have been like putting
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on an old shoe. It was. It's only when we're seeing him how
down he was at the time heneeded help and the best thing he ever
did was like being fired from theband and getting help. And that's and
he met Sharon. Sharon Osborne wasSharon Harden at the time, and she
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helped him and gave him more confidenceand built him up, got rid of
all the drugs and well some ofthe drugs, managed managed the drugs,
and just gave him confidence and said, you know you can, you can,
You've still got it. You cando it, and he did.
And we never fell out friendship wise, socially or anything like that. It
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was just musical and professional side.And then eventually we're maintaining friendship. And
then when i'd left the band againin nineteen eighty four, we did Live
Aid and Ozzie Says joined up withme, and so I did a couple
of tours with Lazo and then albumYeah, And then you came back for
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the reunions there in the late nineties, and you're in there every so let
me let me ask you something thoughon that final tour, no Bill Ward,
how did that make you feel?Bill would clime in for the ninety
nine first reunion tour and then wewere gonna do an album with that lineup
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and Bill had a heart attack sohe couldn't carry on because of his heart
and we abandoned doing the album.And did they got together with uh,
it's his name, Vinnie Appissi camein and we did the two with Viney
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on drums. Any chance of youknow, I know Ozzie's got health problems,
Bill's got health problems, and Iknow you did the was it the
UK Games a couple of years ago. Any chance of another Sabbath performance,
another festival, another tour? Whatdefinitely no tours? Maybe the could be
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a one off final gig. Idon't know. I mean town is not
in great health. Us he's notin great health. I'm not sure what
her bill is. You're looking prettygood. Yeah, it will have been
Vaguan on My Life right. Oh, we're jogging a geezer Butler. He's
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coming to town on the twenty secondof this month at the Gothic Theater.
Tickets available through the Fox dot com. You can pick up the book too.
The paperback edition will be out onthe eighteenth of June, but the
hardback is available and there's an autographsession going on after the Q and A.
Brian Puschin was a very funny guy, big metal head, a big
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lover of heavy metal music. He'sgoing to be doing the interview and then
audience members will be able to comeup and do a little Q and A
with you. Yeah, it'd begreat. I'm really looking forward to a
thing like this. Oh really,you know, you always you've always come
across as like the quiet one,except on stage. On stage, you
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know, you've been known to bazzout a little bit and rock out,
but you know, when it comesto the media, when it comes to
the public, it seems like you'vebeen kind of the quiet guy. Yeah,
I'm quite shy and things like thatand not a great socializer. So
it's going to be great. Youknow, Tony did one in England,
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did the whole of England when whenhis book came out, and it's getting
to be a Bruce Dickinson's just didone in England. Lee of Rush did
a tour like that too. It'sgood you're not there with the base hung
around your neck and not talking toanyone. That finally we can talk to
the fans and they can ask mewhatever they want to ask me. That's
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awesome. Get your tickets now tosee Geezer Butler, the legendary Basis the
Black Sabbath at the Gothic theat that'son the twenty second of this month.
That's May twenty second at the Gothic. Tickets available now through the Fox dot
Com. The Legend the Man,mister Geezer Butler on the Greg Stone Show.
Thank you so much. What anhonor. Thank you, Greg,
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Thank you very much. Cheers
How are you, sir? Good? Thank you, how are you?
I'm wonderful, wonderful, What apleasure to talk to you. Man,
got it icon on the show today. Into the Void is the book.
The paperback edition will be out onthe eighteenth of June. Filling the Void
is the on the road show thatyou're taken to cities all across America.
(00:25):
You'll be at the Gothic Theater onthe twenty second of this month join us
for a night of discussion with BlackSabbaths bassist and chief Lyricistkiser Butler, hosted
by comedian and fellow metalhead Brian Pouschinand a Q and A from the audience,
which is really cool. I thinkthat's a great way to give back
to the audience and you know who, we can and sell some books,
(00:47):
right. Yeah, it's going tobe hopefully it's going to be a lot
of fun as well with Brian thereas well. No, he's great,
it's going to be good. Goodto have the feedback from the fans as
well. Some of the greatest soI ever written have been written by this
man that I'm talking to right now. I mean, you helped create a
genre of music. You inspired countlessof people to pick up the bass.
(01:11):
I think we have to go backto your childhood. We have to take
a look at post World War twoEngland in how that shaped your opinions and
interests to know where this mind cameup with these lyrics. Well, for
the because it was England was stilllike in a terrible state after Like I
was born in nineteen forty nine,which is four years after the World War
(01:34):
two ended. But everything where Iwas born in Birmingham. Birmingham like supplied
most of the ammunition, built thespitfires, built the engines for the for
the bombers, all the armaments camefrom Birmingham. So Birmingham got completely battered
(01:55):
by the Luftwaffer and where I wasborn, like half the street was still
like rubble, and we used toplay play in the rubble on the old
bom bombed building sites and got downthe air raid shelters and it was just
(02:15):
to me, it was fun.It was a great place to play in
because it was totally wrecked. Butthis but the food and everything like that
was still rationed until nineteen fifty five, so you had to have like wherever
the government would give you until nineteenfifty five, which wasn't a lot food
(02:37):
wires, so pretty tough. Growingup, it was yeah, you know,
when you're a kid, you don'tknow any difference. So it was
you make fun and fun, youknow, make whatever fun you can.
When did you meet Arsie because youwere in a band together when you were
teenagers? Right, yeah, Isee you lived, I mean the whole
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all the bands, all the Sabbathband lived, literally lived like two,
two or three streets away from eachother. And Ozzie. I was a
Catholic and Ozzie went to the Protestantschool which I used to walk past on
the way to Catholic school. Weused to not with Ozzie, but some
(03:20):
of the Protestant kids used to tryand beat the Catholic kids up, and
because we were all Irish, weused to beat hell out of them.
And then eventually I saw Ozzie.We used to go. He used to
go to this club in up inBirmingham City Center and they used to have
(03:44):
all nighters and I used to goto the rock club. Ozzie used to
go to the soul club and we'dboth like Sunday morning in five a m.
Sunday morning, and we believe inthese all night of clubs, and
I'd see him across the road andeventually, you know, we got together.
And so do you share some ofthe same influences as some of your
(04:06):
bandmates? You know that that fiftiesrock and roll, the Beatles, stuff
like that. I had three brothersthat were older than me, and two
of them were into Elvis, geeneVincent Eddie Cochran, which I quite liked.
But my band was the Beatles.When they came along. First time
(04:31):
I heard the Beatles, it waslike, Wow, this is incredible,
this is speaking to me. Itwas like my generation and that's what That's
what I wanted to be. Wantedto be a Beatle or a musician.
So why the bass rhythm? Whenwe got together with Tony and Bill Ward
(04:54):
rhythm? I was a rhythm guitarist. I used to play a lot of
Beatles stuff and things in the bandwith ours, and rhythm guitarists were sort
of going out, going out ofstar since Hendrix was big, Cream was
big with Eric Clapton, and theydidn't have rhythm guitarists anymore. So it
sort of old hat. So whenI got together with the Sabbath guys or
(05:19):
switched to bass. So you know, here you are alive and you're about
to put Black Sabbath together in thisperiod where I mean, it's like the
second generation of rock. It's thefirst generation of rock coming out of England,
but it's the second generation that wasinfluenced by all the American you know,
(05:39):
rock and roll. You had theBeatles, the Stones, Jimmy Hendricks,
you had Cream. I mean,what was it like, you know,
walking around and seeing these people.I mean it was amazing when not
seeing the beat also seeing the Stones, I wouldn't see the Kinks, all
these new bands, you know,at that particular time. It was just
(06:00):
the atmosphere was incredible. Back thenin England, there was like every week
seemed to be a new band comingout, successful bands, and because they
were sort of like the Beatles werekind of working class from Liverpool and they
didn't have the posh accents like mostof the a lot of the older rock
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and rollers always tried to put onan American accent and dismally failed. And
the Beatles were the first ones toactually speak with their local accents, which
when we were like that, ohyeah, they've got Liverpool accents, we
can have Burmiam accents, and sothat you know, that was a good
influence, a good way into it, and just everything was happening is a
(06:45):
really amazing time back then there wasI mean, you've got these icons of
rock and roll that are your peers. I mean, you're you're, you're
just a few years younger than theseguys and they're you know, just oozing
all this creativity, this talent,the musicianship was at a whole different level.
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And this is like, you know, a new day for rock and
roll. It must have just beenamazing. Yeah, and especially for us
when Led Zeppelin came out, becausewe knew Robert Plant and John Bonham they
were from the Birmingham as well,or just outside Birmingham, so we saw,
you know, these are local guys, so gives us a chance as
(07:28):
well. And you didn't have totravel down to London and make your name
in London to get anywhere. Andso that was a big influence Zeppelin because
you know, local guys that weknew. There was such a concentrated pool
of talent. It's just unbelievable.Yeah. And the Moody Blues as well,
(07:51):
they live locally, so you knowit gave us inspiration. Well,
you know, you've written some ofthe greatest songs ever. Five of the
songs that you have written are inmy top twenty. You know, to
have that sort of insight at twentytwo years old to write war Pigs is
(08:11):
pretty phenomenal. I mean, thatsong will See came a bet because we
used to play do these gigs inGermany and one of them was an American
Army base, military base, andwhat happened when the soldiers were finished in
Vietnam, they'd come to Germany asa sort of halfway point before they went
(08:33):
home to America, so they could, you know, decompress from all the
horrors that they'd seen in Vietnam.And we used to play these basses and
get talk to the soldiers that werethere, and they used to tell us
all these horror stories that were goingon. And that's what God me the
inspiration for war Pigs, because theseguys were like us, you know,
(08:54):
just same as us. They didn'twant to fight and see these horrible things
like young people are like nineteen twentyor men and coming out with these awful
stories. And I just had toput that into lyrics, which is war
Pigs. Yeah, it's probably thegreatest anti war song ever written. Thanks,
(09:18):
you're welcome. I mean that,you know. I love Black Sabbath
the change my life. He cameup with the band's name and you and
Tony started downtuning on masters. Whoseidea was that? Where did that come
from? Tony's idea because he hadthese He had a work in Plaace when
he used to work in a factory, and they had these like guillotine things,
(09:41):
and one of the guillotines got stuckand Tony was trying to fix it,
and the guillotine came down cut theends of his two of his fingers
off, so he had to hewas determined to play guitar, so he
had to make ends for his fingers, and he made them out of old
(10:03):
washing liquid bottles. It melt theplastic great little fingertips onto his fingers and
then cover that with bits of leatherso he could grip the strings. And
it was really hurting him to play, so he got the idea, I'm
going to tune down the strings tomake it softer on my fingers. And
(10:24):
that's the way the whole saund kidLet's talk real quick, because I know
that coming up at the Filling theVoid show at the Gothic on the twenty
second of this month, you're goingto be talking about a lot of this
stuff. And I don't want to, you know, ruin it for the
Denver audience, but I got totalk to you about the decadence of Volume
four. I mean that has tobe legendary. I read that you spend
(10:46):
more on cocaine than you did onthe making of the album. Yes,
I'm afraid. So everybody refers tothat period as a great time. Everybody
had. Everybody's biography says that fulllunatics together in this great, big mansion
(11:07):
in Beverly Hills, and you know, we finally got some money and just
it's just like party time basically.And this was the first self produced Black
Sabbath record, right. Volume fourwas the first time that we had a
manager at the time was put hisname down as producer. He didn't have
(11:28):
a clue about He just wanted theextra money. He didn't have a clue
about producing, So it was downto the band, you know, whatever
we wanted it to sound like.So just a crazy time, a lot
of coke, lot of acid andthen some really creative music. I read
that Tony Iomi taught himself how toplay piano in that mansion in bel Air
(11:52):
there was a piano. Yeah,it just happened that there was a full
sized grand piano there and he'd neverplayed piano before. And he sat down
and came out with the music forchanges, which was on the Volume four
album, and I quickly write thelyrics to it. Ozzi came up with
the vocal line and that was itnew song. Was it easy for you
(12:16):
to look through Ozzie's eyes and writefor Ozzie or did you not approach it
that way? Because Ozzie once I'dstarted writing lyrics, I was like,
that was it. It was likealways left to me to write the lyrics,
and Ozzie used to come up witha vocal line and then I'd like
(12:39):
go syllable by syllable right into hisvocal lines and that's and it worked,
and that's the way we carried onfrom there. Now, you left in
seventy nine, right didn't you leavebriefly? And why did you leave?
In seventy nine? I was goingthrough a divorce back in England. Ozzi
(13:01):
had left the Well had been firedfrom the band, and it's just so
much. I was I packed updoing drugs and I was coming down from
that, and I was going throughthis horrific divorce back in England and I
just couldn't concentrate on the music.And with that Ozsi gone and to me,
(13:22):
it was like a totally different eraof the band and of my life.
So I had to go back toEngland to sort my divorce, and
once that was sorted out, cameback to the band writing. Ronnie James
Dial was the new singer. Ronniecame in. We'd been writing stuff with
(13:45):
Ozzy, but Ozzie just wasn't interestedinterested in the stuff that we were writing,
and which is one of the reasonswhy Tony wanted him out the band,
because Ozzie was in a really badway. He needed something else in
his life, and we played that. Ronnie came in, We played the
(14:05):
stuff that Ozzie wasn't interested in doing, and Ronnie came out with these incredible
vocal lines for it, and hewrote his own lyrics as well, So
it was like a whole new erafor the band. So I know it's
hard and I'm not trying to putyou in a position, But which singer
did you prefer? I love themboth. I mean everybody, lots of
(14:31):
people have their own opinions. Ozziewas much more of a front man than
Ronnie was, but Ronnie had thevocal range. So two totally different people
and totally different vocal styles. SoI love them both equally. Did did
(14:54):
you enjoy your time more with eitherone of those singers as much better?
Because the band were going it's eithergoing to split up and all go our
own ways or try and build onwhat was left when Ronnie came in.
And when Ronnie came in, hetotally revitalized the band. Yeah. Great,
(15:20):
I love those two records. Heavenin Hell, Mob Rules, great
records, Big Running too. Itwas brilliant. If you hook back up
with Ozzie. You did a coupleof solo records and tours with Ozzie,
So I mean, you guys aretight. You got you got this long
history. You know, you partiedtogether at the early ages. You you
grew up in Birmingham together, soyou know it must have been like putting
(15:43):
on an old shoe. It was. It's only when we're seeing him how
down he was at the time heneeded help and the best thing he ever
did was like being fired from theband and getting help. And that's and
he met Sharon. Sharon Osborne wasSharon Harden at the time, and she
(16:06):
helped him and gave him more confidenceand built him up, got rid of
all the drugs and well some ofthe drugs, managed managed the drugs,
and just gave him confidence and said, you know you can, you can,
You've still got it. You cando it, and he did.
And we never fell out friendship wise, socially or anything like that. It
(16:29):
was just musical and professional side.And then eventually we're maintaining friendship. And
then when i'd left the band againin nineteen eighty four, we did Live
Aid and Ozzie Says joined up withme, and so I did a couple
of tours with Lazo and then albumYeah, And then you came back for
(16:53):
the reunions there in the late nineties, and you're in there every so let
me let me ask you something thoughon that final tour, no Bill Ward,
how did that make you feel?Bill would clime in for the ninety
nine first reunion tour and then wewere gonna do an album with that lineup
(17:17):
and Bill had a heart attack sohe couldn't carry on because of his heart
and we abandoned doing the album.And did they got together with uh,
it's his name, Vinnie Appissi camein and we did the two with Viney
(17:41):
on drums. Any chance of youknow, I know Ozzie's got health problems,
Bill's got health problems, and Iknow you did the was it the
UK Games a couple of years ago. Any chance of another Sabbath performance,
another festival, another tour? Whatdefinitely no tours? Maybe the could be
(18:03):
a one off final gig. Idon't know. I mean town is not
in great health. Us he's notin great health. I'm not sure what
her bill is. You're looking prettygood. Yeah, it will have been
Vaguan on My Life right. Oh, we're jogging a geezer Butler. He's
(18:26):
coming to town on the twenty secondof this month at the Gothic Theater.
Tickets available through the Fox dot com. You can pick up the book too.
The paperback edition will be out onthe eighteenth of June, but the
hardback is available and there's an autographsession going on after the Q and A.
Brian Puschin was a very funny guy, big metal head, a big
(18:47):
lover of heavy metal music. He'sgoing to be doing the interview and then
audience members will be able to comeup and do a little Q and A
with you. Yeah, it'd begreat. I'm really looking forward to a
thing like this. Oh really,you know, you always you've always come
across as like the quiet one,except on stage. On stage, you
(19:07):
know, you've been known to bazzout a little bit and rock out,
but you know, when it comesto the media, when it comes to
the public, it seems like you'vebeen kind of the quiet guy. Yeah,
I'm quite shy and things like thatand not a great socializer. So
it's going to be great. Youknow, Tony did one in England,
(19:30):
did the whole of England when whenhis book came out, and it's getting
to be a Bruce Dickinson's just didone in England. Lee of Rush did
a tour like that too. It'sgood you're not there with the base hung
around your neck and not talking toanyone. That finally we can talk to
the fans and they can ask mewhatever they want to ask me. That's
(19:52):
awesome. Get your tickets now tosee Geezer Butler, the legendary Basis the
Black Sabbath at the Gothic theat that'son the twenty second of this month.
That's May twenty second at the Gothic. Tickets available now through the Fox dot
Com. The Legend the Man,mister Geezer Butler on the Greg Stone Show.
Thank you so much. What anhonor. Thank you, Greg,
(20:14):
Thank you very much. Cheers
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