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May 2, 2025 21 mins

On this week’s episode we discuss:

The benefits of reading fiction on your social interactions.

How changing your environment can boost your creativity.

Memorization fights Alzheimer’s

and many more topics.

For more information, and to sign up for our private coaching, visit tesh.com

Our Hosts:
John Tesh: Instagram: @johntesh_ifyl facebook.com/JohnTesh
Gib Gerard: Instagram: @GibGerard facebook.com/GibGerard X: @GibGerard

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Unknown (00:08):
Gib, hello and welcome to another episode of the
podcast. I'm Gib Gerard, andtoday we are doing one of my
favorite things that we do,which is giving you guys
information that we covered onthe radio show with a little bit
of an extended conversationabout it. So hopefully,
hopefully you enjoy this as muchas I do, just a little quick
intelligence for your life thatyou can put your pocket and take

(00:28):
with you anywhere you want togo. You know, intelligence to
go, so to speak. Well anyway,here it is, without further ado,
me and John TeshI Gib here's something that's
going to be helpful to me if youfeel socially awkward, read more
fiction, according to theJournal of Experimental
Psychology, reading fiction willhelp people navigate social
situations better. I wish I'dknown this in junior high. In a

(00:48):
review of over a dozen studies,fiction readers scored better on
tests of how well they perceivesituations and interact with
others. Reading novels gives usinsight into human psychology
and relationships. Your daughterloves fiction. She says
she's also very sociallyawkward. Okay, bingo.
But look, does she listen? Shedoesn't. But with

(01:10):
this look, this is what yourEnglish teacher was trying to
get you to understand back whenyou were in high school, trying
to get you understand that thewith the characters are dealing
with sheds light on the humancondition. And the more you can
understand the human condition,the better you'll be able to
navigate it in your own lives.
That is why you had to writeessays in high school. It wasn't
just to be annoying. It was soyou could understand this fact.
And yes, it turns out it's true.

(01:31):
The better you understand peopleby reading fiction, the better
you'll be able to navigatesocial situations throughout
your life. By the way,what great excuse if you don't
want to go in one day, you justsaid, I'm suffering from the
human condition. HumanCondition, and I can't ask
anything because ofHIPAA, yeah, that's not how that
works. But yes, good point. AllI gotta say is, you're welcome.

(01:53):
Yeah, I'm not sure about you,Gib, but I, I tend to, I tend to
ruminate a little bit justlately. I don't know what it is,
maybe it could be justeverything anyway. The social
psychology and personalityscience journal says, Please
don't be afraid of bad times,because they're really good for
us. People who have to handleadversity are happier in their
day to day lives than people whonever hit a bump in the road,

(02:15):
because hardships help usappreciate the good times even
more. Their study found or justread a page in the Bible about
job. Yeah, there you go.
I mean, this is, look, this iswhy I have my kids play sports,
because sports help you learnhow to navigate down. It's not
about learning. It's not aboutjust moving your body and
learning how to play a play agame and become more athletic.

(02:37):
It is about learning how toovercome adversity. It is about
learning how to lose well, howto handle a bad play and then
get back in the game and have agood play. This is that's what
the microcosm of sports,particularly youth sports,
teaches our kids as they grow upto be able to handle adversity
well. And it turns out, there isa huge amount of value for your
mental health in being able tohandle adversity well. By

(02:59):
the way, I saw this this pastweekend where your son got hit
by a pitch, your 10 year oldwhile, yeah, while he was up at
bat, and he's like, ah, youknow, he's walking to walk into
first base and and mom is, Momwas going, I, I want the
pitcher's name. He needs tohandle adversity a little. He
also, he's a pitcher himself,and he's trying to, trying to
find the mom, everything. Itmust have been the way he was

(03:20):
raised, he hit my grandson.
It was definitely an accident.
They're notthat good. Oh gosh. Gib I think
you will agree that I like doingthis. I think you do too,
because I just saw you in adifferent location moments ago.
Cognitive neuroscientist tallyCharro says if you need a
creative breakthrough at work,move to a different location. Oh
yeah, if you change yourenvironment, just in a very
simple way, getting away fromyour desk to work in the kitchen

(03:43):
or go for a walk and become morecreative. However, the
creativity boost that you getfrom simply changing your
environment, it only lasts aboutsix minutes, so you're gonna be
traveling a lot. Solook again, these are just
little hacks to help you breakout of the routine. This is why
sometimes I'll just randomlydecide I'll go, I'll leave early
and go to where my to a coffeeshop by my kids school and do a
little bit of work. I love that.

(04:05):
Yeah? Everybody loves that,yeah, because it just sort of,
it gets me out of the stress ofworrying about when I have to
leave. And then it also gets mein a new environment. I get a
little bit of work done with alittle bit more of a of this.
You know, environment change.
And again, it's a hack. It's notlike all of a sudden you're
going to go from man, I can'tfigure anything out today to
you're you're writingShakespearean level sonnets.
That's not how it works. It justif you need a little

(04:26):
breakthrough, a little change ofscenery is super helpful,
didn't? They used to kick us outof at coffee shops if we stayed
too long using the internet,yes, and they gave up. They
finally found out that thelonger you were there, the more
likely you are to purchase asecond drink and that that that
was cheaper than new customeracquisitions. They started
letting people, I know, somepeople in my coffee shop who are
not getting that second drink,they're in there for hours.

(04:48):
Okay, there's a guy who'snegotiating contracts while
pacing inside thestore. Let's find out. Let's,
let's tell Howard Schultz aboutthat. Oh, he's the guy that
owns Starbucks. Yeah. Okay, Iguess, hey. Before we started
doing the show, I made sure Idid 15 minutes of movement
today. Good. Because, accordingto the I'm so proud of myself,

(05:08):
you should be. According to theI did bear crawls, which was 50
of 15 minutes of really, yeah,okay, thank you. According to
University of Houston, all weneed to improve our immune
system is 15 minutes of movementa day, and maybe enough to fight
off everything from infectionsto cancer. When researchers did
blood tests on people exercise,after 15 minutes, their levels
of natural killer cells wentup. This is why, you know, when
we talk, when we do our coachingcalls, we do all this other

(05:30):
stuff, we always talk about thefact that exercise is medicine,
and here is more evidence tothat effect, sitting is the new
smoking. The more stagnant weare, the more we spend time not
moving, the more we actuallyneed to counteract that with
movement and other you know,health, improving habits and
movement is that one thing youcannot replace movement. You
have to get your body moving. Itis medicine. It is medicine. It

(05:53):
is medicine. It is good for yourheart. It is good for your
immune system. It's good foryour brain. We how many times
can we report on these stories?
Yeah, yeah. Well said. So again,we had this story recently.
You'll remember it. It got a bigreaction online before a job
interview, eat a candy bar. Iwas very interested in this
myself. Not just any excuse toeat a candy bar. It has to be

(06:15):
dark chocolate with almonds. Ina study out of Switzerland,
people who ate a dark chocolatebar with almonds before a job
interview, had a better stressresponse to people who didn't,
meaning their stress levelsweren't as high. The blood
pressure didn't rise. It'sbecause of the polyphenols and
chocolate, which help blood flowsmoothly and deliver oxygen to
the brain. And the almonds aremagnesium, which will help relax
your relax yourmuscles. Yeah, this happens

(06:36):
actually be some of my favoritechocolate, which is dark
chocolate with almonds. Sothat's that's good news for me,
but ultimately, just a reminderthis does not this is not carte
blanche to eat the sweetestcandies you can find. It's
really important that it's thedark chocolate so you're not
counteracting it with the milkand the sugar, and that it's the
and that it's real almonds andnot other nuts or what have you.
Because again, it's theantioxidants in both of these

(06:58):
things that really, really dothe heavy lifting here. It's
just an enjoyable treat thathappens to have this, you know,
macronutrient or micronutrientpunch, yeah, I I don't like dark
chocolate, so I just do it withmilk chocolate, yeah? But I feel
really bad afterwards, yeah,you're making my point, yeah?
And then chase it with some icecream. You

(07:21):
don't go to a Sunday bar andthen go to hear anything, go to
your jobinterview. Bye, hey, Gib, here's
a piece of intelligence thatI've been using. So since I'm
working on this, on this recordthen, and you've been helping
me, it's a sports record ofsports themes and stuff. And so
I'm always working on littlebits and pieces of it, yeah. And
so I every night, when I go tobed, I have an ear worm that I

(07:41):
cannot get rid of good. And so Isaw this piece, and it works for
me. And here it is, if you get asong stuck in your head and it's
driving you crazy, it's an earworm, right? So experts say it
happens to 90% of us, at leastonce a week, me every night,
while researchers havediscovered a new way to get rid
of it, you just chew gum. Itturns out the physical movement
involved in chewing reduces thenumber of times a song runs

(08:02):
through your mind. This is fromPhilip Beaman, who's a cognitive
scientist. I bet it's the rhythmit has.
I don't know we talked abouthow, how chewing gum can
actually help you stay focusedon long car trips. But look, I
have a I have a pre teendaughter. I have a teenage
daughter. I have a son who likesmusic from the Minecraft movie,

(08:22):
all of which are sung to me athigh volume when I'm driving in
the car. And so now I finallyhave a way to get some of these
annoying melodies out of myhead. I'm very excited about
this. I'm just gonna go to thestore and put gum everywhere in
my life.
Yeah. I mean, this expert saysthat because your mouth is
moving in a different pattern inthe words to the song, it
hijacks your memory, and the earworm just fades. I'll take it.

(08:43):
I'll take anything. I'll takeanything. Yeah, Gib, I first
encountered this piece of intelabout a week and a half ago on
the on the show, and I wanted tobounce it off of you because,
yeah, because I wasn't aroundyou when it happened. So when
you're so there's a way to beatstress. Yeah, it's the weirdest
it's the weirdest thing. It'sfrom the International Journal
of Neuroscience. They say, thenext time you feel stressed, go

(09:05):
find a door with a smooth round,come on. Go find a door with a
smooth, round door knob andgently press pressure back
against it, and then basicallyuse it as a as a massager,
putting pressure on the areas ofyour back to feel tense. It
mimics the trigger point massagetherapy, which you've used with
lacrosse ball. I haveyou look like a cat.

(09:28):
That's gonna say the door knob.
You know, you and I are tall,and if you, oh, look at that
smooth, round door knob, it'sgonna lead like you gotta be in
a place where people can see youbecause you're gonna be outside
the door. Get yourself a tennisball or lacrosse ball, put it
against the wall and use thisadvice to give yourself the
massage with the ball. But justthe door knob thing seems a

(09:49):
littleweird too. Be like, get off the
door. You're gonna actually lockyourself out of the house. Oh my
gosh. I didn't mean to lock thedoor. Let's give myself a
massage. I.
All right. Gib, because of you Ihave, I've been doing these New
York Times things now, these,these were these puzzles. Oh
yeah, I know you do like 40 ofthem, the Wordle, the

(10:10):
connections, strands, yeah. So,yeah. So Connie and I do Wordle,
strands and connect. Connectionsis so hard for me, so fun. But
apparently it's a way to preventAlzheimer's disease. It's part
of it. The other part is to makesure you memorize something
every day. Oh, this is good. Wehave Dr Gary small on the show
all the time. He's a brainhealth expert from Hackensack

(10:32):
medical. He says you canmemorize your grocery list, the
words to a new song, or trydancing, which requires
memorizing movement. Switchingup what you memorize is cross
training for your brain. Andwhen you, when you do it, when
you prepare a scene or somethingand acted classes, you have to,
you have to memorize quickly.
Yes, I do. I mean, or if youhave an audition, and I have,
you know, I have only a fewhours to get what they call

(10:53):
being off book, you have tomemorize quickly. And practicing
that it is a muscle. The moreyou practice it, the better
you're going to get at it andyour brain. This is why people
who work so late into theirlives, who you know, who have,
who are working as a lawyer oras a physician late into their
lives, end up having theseincredibly long, not only long
careers, but longer lives,because they are using their

(11:14):
brain every day. So many of us,we atrophy, and the brain, just
like anything else, willatrophy. So you have to find
ways to use it and givingyourself little memory quizzes
of your your to do list, yourgrocery list, you can still
write it down, but just memorizeit. Or even memorizing your
favorite scripture poetry ormonologs from your favorite
films is super helpful.
This is the kind of stuff wehave on transformation Tuesday,
the coaching program. You cancheck it out@tesh.com Gen Z is

(11:37):
upset with us again. Gib, good.
First, they didn't want us to bein skinny jeans. And you may
which your daughter's Gen alpha,but prima is Gen Z, right? No,
she'slike, Yeah, she's the right in
the core of millennial Gen Z isyounger than her.
Gen Z came for the alcohol now,now there's, like, places
closing because they don't wantto drink. Okay, then they don't

(11:57):
want us to wear skinny jeans,and they said anyone wearing no
socks, no show socks? Was old.
Yep, now they hate our emailaddresses. So the latest sign
that you're old is having aGmail account with your actual
name, like John tesh@gmail.comor Reddit. People are sharing
anecdotes from work in whichtheir Gen Z co workers are
calling them out for using theirfirst and last name and their
email address. Why do they care?

(12:19):
I don't know. I don't for thisone. I think this is jealousy.
The other stuff, if you have anearth link account, they just
want you to leave. Yeah, youshould. If you have an earth
link account, it's time toupgrade. But the No offense, but
with, you know, I was there. Iwas there when Gmail was in
beta. So I have my name, I'mable to use it. It's, it's super
helpful. And I think everybodyelse is just jealous that they

(12:42):
have to use a nickname with alot of numbers in it to have a
Gmail address.
And why? You know how many Johnteshes are out there? I mean, my
email address is like, John Tesh967, right? You know it was
like, people just want to, Idon't get it. There's a lot of
John teshes out there. Andapparently you're like, you're
Gen Z, who knew?
Hi Gib, you're coming up on your20th wedding anniversary. I am,

(13:03):
and you got to be careful,because research says once you
get to 20, things start to fallapart. I'm just kidding. I'm
just kidding people like jumpingout of the cars. No, just
kidding. It's an amazing fee yougot, you got my really early.
Yeah, yeah. We were seven. Sohere in case, right in case.
Here's a quick tip. To improveyour relationship, you have to

(13:24):
practice the double A'seffective, effective
affirmation. That's thepsychological term for letting
somebody know they'reappreciated. It could be as
simple as saying You really makeme laugh or thanks for making
dinner tonight. Ladies, this isvery important. Ladies, lean
into the radio here. Onesurprising finding is that men
actually need more affirmationthan men, because we are aren't
as likely as you to get praisefrom our

(13:46):
friends. Women are actually goodat praising each other in their
friend groups. Men are not asgood, so we are starved for
this. But look, all this is,this is just ways of showing
that you don't take your partnerfor granted if you were freshly
dating somebody, if you wentfrom living alone to dating
somebody, and they were theywere doing the things that your
partner is doing for you, youwould say, thank you. You would

(14:07):
feel warm and fuzzy about thewhole thing. But what we end up
getting to a point ofcomplacency where we start to
resent our partner for not doingthis stuff, which seems insane.
So what you need to do is figureout what they are doing well,
constantly praise them for itand affirm them in it, and it
will do wonders for how much younot only appreciate your
partner, how much they feelappreciated, but also how close

(14:29):
you end up being. It's so good.
It's intelligence for your life.
Is it me or I mean, is there atrend where people are getting
married or having relationshipsand they're like, there's like,
25 years between them, speakingof relationships, like, You
mean, like, a May Decemberromance. Is that? What does it?
Call it? Yeah, yeah. Why? Why dothey call it a May December? I
mean, I'm thinking ofeverybody's like, upset with

(14:51):
Bill Belichick, you know, theformer patriots coach, yeah, the
coach of UNC, yeah, because hisis his wife or his girlfriend
is. Girlfriends, like 20 790,no. So 27 Yeah, wow. And he's my
age,yeah, I think he's maybe older
than you, but, yeah, wow. ButI'm hearing
a lot of this late, this lately.
And the other way around too isthat we can't do that. Do the

(15:12):
math. If I open up a can ofworms, no, I can't
finish. You have some. You havesome. You have always, it was
always like, two years, youknow, it's like, when you're in
high school, oh, two years youdated an under I dated an
underclass woman, right? Justone year, and everybody was
like, oh, Tesh. Well, so in highschool, that definitely was
like, you've given up orsomething. You know,

(15:34):
in adult life, we sort of expectthat.
I mean, I don't know, there's nolike, nice way to say this. When
men are real, men in particularare really successful. Their
dating pool is wider, okay? Andso a lot of these men are
choosing, you know, for they'rechoosing to date younger. I

(15:54):
don't know, I don't know politeway to say but they're choosing
to date younger. And part of it,you know, a lot of people say
it's cuz they can, but thecriticism is, what could you
possibly have to talk about?
Well, now that you've got theinternet and all the rest of
that stuff, if you're, ifyou're, if you're, like, a 25
year old woman and you're gonnadate a 60 year old, you can, you

(16:16):
can, you can go back, because soyou have a lot of memories
about, I mean, a lot ofknowledge about 1950s and stuff
where I was born, right? Sure,sure. So she can really bone up
and know what, what's going on.
I mean, there's options, right?
Like, look, I'm not saying, I'mnot saying that every
relationship that has a largeage gap is is doomed to failure.
I am saying that for a lot ofthem, it is. There are some

(16:39):
questions about what theunderlying motivations. I would
say, for me, personally, I wouldhave really hard time with a big
age gap for the reason that Imentioned, which is, at what is
it your father in law have thathuge and I would say, what's an
issue? Is it 10 years? No, it'slike 17 years, 18 years. Yeah,
yeah. And they met marriedyoung, so it was like, it was

(17:01):
like, she was like 19, he waslike 38 Wow, wow. How the
parents feel about that?
Surprisingly fine with it. Butthey have so so much like your
father. It's great. And theyhave stood the test of time.
Like, good for them. Great,grand. I feel like, you know,
oh, go ahead. Sorry. Well, no, Ijust, it's just it. I There are
ripples in their relationshipthat come from the fact that

(17:23):
they are from literally twodifferent generations, and that
creates issues. If you're okaywith that, if you love the
person that much, absolutely, byall means, go nuts. I think that
there are some choices andquestions of relationships of
convenience. Will say that arenone of my business, none of my
business. But I think I think Iunderstand what's happening, and
I don't think it's about mutualintellectual compatibility. Oh,

(17:45):
wow,yeah. I feel like, I feel like,
you know, back in the day, in1982 or 83 in the Tour de
France, when, when Greg LeMondsaid to me, I said, How you
doing, Greg? And he said, I feellike I've taken hold of a race
that will not let me go. Youknow, I feel like, I feel like
I've introduced a topic that Ican't, I can't, I can't finish.
So let'sput this into perspective. Let's

(18:06):
just let this, I'm gonna letthis, I'm gonna let this simmer
for you. Okay, imagine you hadto date somebody younger than
prima. Oh,right, that's the situation.
That's my daughter who's 30,right? That's the situation.
Bill pela checks in right now.
Think about what you do atdinner, yeah, and how you like,

(18:27):
what kind of conversations youhave, and how you would feel
about all of that. Well,I would think that she did.
She's waiting for me to die, youknow. Yeah, do with
that information what you were,I'm just, I'm just
psychologically framing it foryou in a way that maybe makes it
land. All right, I think that'senough of that. People chasing
that tiger by the tail. Peoplelike, is there a way to erase
this podcast? I mean, simply.

(18:50):
Well, okay, so one more thing,will you tell folks what you and
I do on Tuesdays and Thursdaysonline? Yeah.
So we do these amazing we gettransformation Tuesday, and then
our healing workshop onThursday. And basically we take
decades of research that we'vedone for the radio show, the
television show, theintelligence your health show
for our podcast, the interviewswe're doing with the podcast,

(19:11):
and we take all that informationand we customize it for the
members of those groups. So wetake the information about how
to best divorce, proof yourrelationship, how to what kind
of food you should be eating ona regular basis, especially as
you, as you get over 40 and youneed your metabolism starts to
drop. So we talkabout how to survive. A May
December romance, how tosurvive, yeah,

(19:33):
how to awkwardly navigate aconversation about a May
December romance. All of that wehelp, we help bring to bear for
the individuals who are membersof both of those groups. It is a
great way we talk about how muchwe like it, because we spend the
time going back over theresearch in order to answer the
questions properly, and itreminds us of just how good some
of the research that we have is,and how important it is to find

(19:56):
ways to apply it to your life,and we help you apply it to your
life. I remember.
Remember one of the one of thetips from from last week? It was
this woman who was a high levelathlete and now she's a physical
therapist and body languageexpert, and she, I might Her
name is Casey right now, but shewas saying on the on the Tuesday
call, she was saying that payattention to the distance

(20:20):
between your your shoulders andyour ears, Oh, yeah. And I'm
like, why? And because it, as itshrinks, your posture shrinks,
and you're building stress inyour body. So always, always
keep your shoulders down andback and be aware that when
you're sitting, or you'reputting your arms on a table,
that you're that the distancebetween your shoulders and your
ears is decreasing, it alsosends an unconscious message

(20:41):
that you're lying. So if you seethat in somebody else, they're
probably lying, and they willread you as you are lying, even
if you don't, even if you'retelling the truth. When those
shoulders come up, it looks likeyou're lying, because all lying
is is additional stress. So allof our indicators in our in our
subconscious mind for whether aperson's telling the truth or
not are reading even a liedetector test is reading the

(21:02):
amount of stress in the otherperson's body. So if your
shoulders are up, you are goingto send a message that you're
not being truthful, even if youare.
Yeah, join us for transformationTuesdays. You can do
it@tesch.comforgive Gerard. I'm John Tesh.
We'll see you next time.
That's it for the show today.
Thank you guys so much forlistening. We hope you enjoyed
it as much as we did. If youlike the show, please rate
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(21:25):
get your podcast. It helps usout a lot. If you guys do that,
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every comment, becauseultimately, we do the show for
you guys. So thank you so muchfor listening. You
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